1:18PM: The Padres have announced that both Musgrove and Darvish have placed on the 15-day IL. Musgrove’s injury has been termed as right elbow inflammation and his placement date is retroactive to May 29, while Darvish has a left groin strain and a May 30 retroactive placement date. Vasquez and Logan Gillaspie have been called up from Triple-A.
Darvish lasted only three innings before his hamstring forced him out of his start against Miami last Wednesday, though the injury has now been diagnosed as a groin problem. This could be a new injury stemming from the initial issue, or simply a clearer diagnosis after a couple of days of testing. The Padres listed Darvish day-to-day at first, so it seems possible that Darvish might be back after only 15 days if the injury is somewhat minor in nature.
12:30PM: Joe Musgrove has been scratched from his scheduled start today and will instead be placed on the Padres’ 15-day injured list. According to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune (X link), Musgrove is again suffering from the triceps tendinitis that already sent him to the IL at the start of May. Right-hander Randy Vasquez was recalled from Triple-A El Paso to take Musgrove’s spot on the active roster and to start today’s game against the Royals.
Somewhat ominously, Acee wrote that Musgrove’s triceps issue “is not believed at this time to be a season-ending injury.” While this is positive news at the moment, the fact that there’s enough uncertainty over this lingering injury that an early end to Musgrove’s 2024 campaign is even a possibility is certainly not a good sign. Even if no structural damage is found, even relatively minor cases of inflammation or tendinitis can lead to lengthy layoffs, if a pitcher simply continues to feel discomfort when throwing.
Musgrove looked pretty good in the two starts since returning from the first IL trip, posting a 2.16 ERA over 8 1/3 frames. After laboring through three innings in his first outing on May 21, he looked much sharper on May 26 when tossing 5 1/3 shutout innings against the powerful Yankees lineup in a 5-2 Padres victory. Considering how Musgrove had a 6.37 ERA in his 41 innings prior to that initial IL visit, it seemed as though he was over his triceps problems and back in his normal form as a frontline member of San Diego’s pitching staff.
Vasquez is a logical fill-in candidate while Musgrove is out, yet Vasquez doesn’t have much big league experience, and his 5.82 ERA over 21 2/3 innings this season indicates that he might not be an ideal choice as a longer-term rotation patch if Musgrove has to miss a significant amount of time. Even beyond Musgrove, Yu Darvish is also dealing with a hamstring injury that forced him out of his last start, and it isn’t yet known if Darvish will be able to make his next start or if he might also need to visit the 15-day IL.
The Padres’ next off-day isn’t until June 13, plus the rotation has some depth question even with Darvish and Musgrove both healthy. Dylan Cease, Michael King, and Matt Waldron have settled into rotation roles, and that trio plus Darvish, Musgrove, and Vasquez have accounted for all of the Padres’ starts this season. Ryan Carpenter or Jackson Wolf could be the top Triple-A depth options, though even accounting for the Pacific Coast League’s hitter-friendly bent, Carpenter’s 8.74 ERA and Wolf’s 6.69 ERA are cause for concern. (Vasquez also has a 7.45 ERA in 19 1/3 innings for El Paso.)
VegasSDfan
Not great news for the playoff bound Padres
Jon M
LOL
Longtimecoming
Jon, have you checked the standings lately? LOL my A$$.
CrikesAlready
Sorry to be Captain Obvious here, but you missed the sarcasm in that original post @Longtimecoming
El Niño
The padres are one of the few teams with a winning record against teams above .500. Sorry to be captain obvious here crikes but longtimecoming is right.
Blackpink in the area
The Padres are 2 games over 500. They certainly have a chance but calm down a bit folks.
El Niño
How many teams are over .500?
Blackpink in the area
There’s about 10 teams that are within a couple games of 500. The Padres certainly have a shot but playoff bound? Calm down. It’s a long season.
VegasSDfan
In the NL 6
VegasSDfan
Playoff bound Jisoo
El Niño
The question was OVER .500 but thanks for playing.
Blackpink in the area
The Padres have been UNDER 500 for most of the year.
It’s a long season. Stop being so defensive.
El Niño
Preferring accuracy is not being defensive. Objectively the padres are 2 games over .500 (original question) have a winning record against teams playing .500 or better ball, and have been doing it without their 2 best players playing well. I’m just pointing out facts to you casual headline readers.
UncommonSense
lol that .500 teams are now “playoff teams”
El Niño
We’re ~1/3 of the way through the season and you should go look at the standings. Lol
El Niño
How soon we forget the D’backs were 82-80 last year on their way to the World Series. It’s where we are.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
They’re literally holding the WC2 spot. The NL is so bad at the moment that a .500 team has a great chance to get into the playoffs.
Blackpink in the area
I don’t think anyone is saying the Padres don’t have a chance to make the playoffs. But to act as if it’s a forgone conclusion is silly. Its a long season.
Brew’88
Pads are now (Saturday 4:45 pm PST) 3 games over .500. Tomorrow at this time they will either be 4 games over .500 or 2 games over .500. A week from now they wiil either be 9 games over .500, or 8 games over .500, or 7, or 6 or 5, or 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 or at .500 or 1 under .500, or 2 games under .500, or 3 games under .500. The best they can be at the end of the season is 133-29. The worst they can be is 32-130. I’m guessing they will be finish sesaon somewhere in between those outcomes.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I think you’re going too far out on a limb there, Brew. I understand it’s the irrational exuberance from being a fan (I got it too with the Mariners) but we gotta remain measured and level-headed.
Brew88
eets bean beddy beddy goodh to me, -b
straightuphonestguy
2023 Dbacks were 84-78; Padres were 82-80.
Brew’88
Given this condition hindered Musgrove late summer last year (resulting in him being closed down for season), clearly off-season rest alone didn’t solve the problem. Pads need to be looking for another SP soon if they want to compete this year. No one in the minors is ready, especially with Snelling and Mazur’s recent decline.
straightuphonestguy
Mazur might not be that far off at least for spot starting. ERA is rough but his peripherals are passable at this point. But yeah, no real options to plug in and ride for the next several weeks. They could stretch Brito out. I thought he was the more impressive fifth starter over Vasquez before the Padres traded for Cease.
Brew’88
Mazur was definitely on track but he’s been hit hard the past 3 starts, so I doubt they promote him anytime soon. I agree on Brito over Vasquez. Sounds like Gillaspie is going to get some more innings, maybe he’ll surprise..
Longtimecoming
Vasquez / Brito – 1 needs to step up.
Gillespie / Wolf – yeah give a try and see at some point.
Mazur – use the above to give him 2-3 more starts to return to “almost ready” status.
Other teams are making the BP start work –
Morejon/Brito/Gillespie for a start wouldn’t be and idea just avoid putting pressure on either to give 6.
Really, the stress now is on Waldron and King to pitch more like a 3 & 4 – which both have done at times.
Brew88
A lot of stress on Vasquez too, given how he’s underperformed (performed badly)
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Email AJ Preller and have him make an offer to Toronto for Kikuchi…
I Believe We Can Win
Morejon could become an opener him and Brito or Vasquez could form a piggy back situation.
Cease King Waldron id call up wolf get rid of Peralta and make Solano full time DH.
Wolf/Vasquez # 5
Morejon/Brito # 4
Hopefully you get 6 or 7 inning out of the combo
Longtimecoming
I’m not ready to rush Peralta out the door yet. He hit early. Let’s see what 5-10 more games shows because to some degree, Solano can benefit from not being “the guy”.
Brew88
Interesting that Solano is starting at DH today against a RHP instead of Peralta. Maybe just a case of riding the hot bat.
I Believe We Can Win
At this point preserving the pen should be the goal. Two starters down for 2+ weeks the pen can easily be taxed next couple weeks and create a spiraling downward trend over the next couple months if guys can’t give enough “starter” innings. Same issue happened back in 2021. Starters began dropping like flies and pen got taxed.
Cal Mitchell (L) is hitting in AAA so is Bryce Johnson(S). Both offer better defense and could shift Profar to DH and one of them to the OF.
If Peralta isn’t hitting he’s gotta go and should be replaced by a pitcher to give innings especially if Musgrove and Darvish miss extended time.
Longtimecoming
Yeah I noticed that and thought the same and can’t discount that at all.
Peralta as a Lh bench bat isn’t the end of the world – having Carpenter as your LH bench bat is!
straightuphonestguy
I like Peralta’s track record and I think tbere’s still some juice left in that bat. While I do think he’s the first one to go if the pen needs to source some additional arms, I say let’s see what Vasquez can do with an extended look. Padres can send down Brito to stretch out too, and that would be an extra roster spot in the interim.. they’d need another mop up guy, but that can’t be too hard to come by.
Bozzmania
No more than 13 pitchers allowed
CrikesAlready
The strange thing about this one is that AJ Preller signed him to an extension BEFORE an injury. Usually AJ will sign somebody who’s already injured, saving the time and the dashed dreams of the fans.
El Niño
Can you point me toward an extension AJ signed with an already hurt player?
Gwynning
He can’t, Crikes is just a troll… and a bad one at that.
LFGSD619
@El Niño Technically Mike Clevinger would qualify.
Gwynning
Clev was never extended.
LFGSD619
@Gwynning si.com/mlb/2020/11/16/mike-clevinger-extension-pad…
El Niño
Good catch. Clev was such a bummer of a situation, ace on a good contract and blew out as soon as he got here. Can’t blame AJ for rolling the dice to try and capture some value on that one. Also, I don’t think that’s what the OP was trolling about here. Side note, people on here would be outraged if the tables were turned and AJ traded away a player that blew out right away.
LFGSD619
@El Niño He did trade away a player who blew out right away. That was James Shields.
I’m still convinced that there was something the Guardians weren’t telling us.
El Niño
Nah, I didn’t say that, but people on this site have a tendency to give some the benefit of the doubt that they don’t extend to others.
El Niño
James shields went 1 1/2 seasons with the Sox before. Clevenger went like 2 games.
El Niño
I think what guardians left out was that clev is a head case and allegedly has a problem putting the bottle down.
LFGSD619
@El Niño Why *DID* the Guardians trade away their #2/#3 starter in the middle of a playoff push? Preller defenders always say “Any contender would have made that trade” yet the Guardians were “any contender” and they made the opposite of it.
El Niño
It’s a good question. I’ve never given it much thought. I always assumed they straddling. Maybe it was something nefarious, maybe not, who knows.
LFGSD619
@El Niño he blocked me on Twitter so I can believe that.
Gwynning
Excuse me, extended *beyond Arb control*
Good catch!
Butter Biscuits
Darn shame that something like this would happen to the friars. If only they had some prospect capital to swing a trade
Brew’88
So Yu pulled his groin while in SD treating his hammy?
Gwynning
It’s better that YOU pulling on his groin, right?!? =P
Brew88
+/-
fred-3
So…. what the hell happened to Machado? (fantasy owner)
VegasSDfan
Machado has been hitting well over the ladt couple of weeks
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Hitting a baseball is hard.
Johnny utah
Elbow inflammation isnt that bad
Musgrove will be back….
In about 2 years…
straightuphonestguy
Darvish is somewhat expected with his age and nagging injuries. Musgrove extension (which I wanted, to be clear) looking a bit grim right now. Two seasons marred by arm injuries is not a good start.
OldSaltUSN
Extending any pitcher over age 30 is a risk. However, good starting pitching is at a premium, to say the least. I did the “What?! Eeek!!” thingy when AJP extended Darvish, but again, based on Darvish’s history he’s worth that risk. Similarly, Musgrove was over 30 when he was extended (31 I think, but can’t recall), and his five year contract was just a bit uncomfortable. Then again, he also, was a proven TOR starting pitcher.
Pitching is just a crap shoot. Actually, based on MLB injured pitching trends, your money is probably better risked at a craps table, than on a MLB starting pitcher. On balance, AJP took some risks with these two, but not unreasonable risks, considering their talent and track record versus their cost. An additional TOR starter (not named Bauer! Forbidden!!! ), even if AJP had $30M or $50M to spend, just isn’t available anywhere. If a guy does come up, like the guy he tried to get in Miami, Preller will find a way (like, using prospect capital) to pull the trigger, of that I’m certain. AJP has never hesitated to pull the trigger when talent becomes available, because money alone doesn’t buy talent. Opportunity counts, and that’s hard to force.
straightuphonestguy
I think the process was good, Musgrove looked like a workhorse through 2022. Just been some unfortunate injuries in 2023-2024. So it goes.
Old York
Man, not good, given that I predicted the Padres or Pirates would represent the NL in the fall classic.
Mustard Tiger
The Pirates? What kind of drugs are you on?
wefwewefwe
The dynasty that never was. The team that shouldn’t even exist.
Brew’88
A team with the second highest home attendance in MLB shouldn’t exist?
wefwewefwe
29h highest home attendance when adjusted for population density and average income and proximity to an airport.
HiredGun23
Your logic makes me think you really are Manfred.. hahahahaha
CNichols
That’s not true at all. They’re literally 1st in % of capacity attendance. Even adjusted for those pointless factors they wouldn’t be 29th in anything attendance related
Blackpink in the area
Dude you are making things up. Padres have a lot of fans.
wefwewefwe
They don’t have a lot of fans when the situation is adjusted for population density, proximity to an airport, average income, age of stadium, road/highway system, etc.
Astros Hot Takes
you forgot to adjust for elevation – they are 22nd, when you add that metric.
Brew88
Your algorithm must also include water quality and fashion preferences as parameters if you expect to be in accordance with Fosbury Principles
OldSaltUSN
@manfredsnewcondo
You’re a troll. Only a disingenuious troll would make that kind of unsupportable comment about Padres attendence, and then try to stand by it when called.
What a worthless timesink.
wefwewefwe
Their Fabase+ rating would be 90 at best.
fred-3
Only the idiots on MLBN were calling the Padres a dynasty
letitbelowenstein
Figure between 2015, 2017, 2018 and the COVID 2020 year, Darvish has probably lost a minimum of 85-90 starts. You’d be looking at him possibly eclipsing 3,000 K’s sometime next season if not for his bad fortune.
Mustard Tiger
If “ifs” and “buts” were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas!
Brew’88
somehow that saying never gets old
HiredGun23
Start looking for more pitching, if they haven’t already. Some teams have already faded from contention…
UWPSUPERFAN77
Unless they return quickly, and better than ever, goodbye playoffs!
Niekro floater
Double whammy ! With Musgrove u hope it’s only tendinitis.
CardsFan57
Just when things were looking up for the Padres, they lose two starters.
max57
Sign Bauer!!
sergefunction
Go get Jack Flaherty, Padres. He’s throwing ace-type games for a team that has no interest in keeping a good player.
Longtimecoming
Wolf is pitching tonight like he wants a shot!
Brew88
Sounds like Mazur is starting game on Tuesday
Longtimecoming
Brew, I think his debut was going to come at some point in 24. I’d rather it not be because of JM and YD on IL at same time for sure, but might as well get a peek at what he has to show. Angels are not an offensive juggernaut right now so, that is in his favor.
Wolf looked awesome last night and should be in the consideration 4-5 days from now.
Maybe send Mazur right back down after to get an extra RP for a few days and then call up Wolf to start on Friday. Use those few days of extra RP for a bullpen day to get thru the week.
Of course a 3 ip night by Waldron tonight could blow that up while equally, a 7 IP tonight could make it very feasible.
closetball
When does Matsui go on a list?