If the Blue Jays make star slugger Vladimir Guerrero Jr. available this summer, it appears that the Cubs would be among the suitors for his services. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported this morning that Chicago’s brass have “privately discussed” the possibility of pursuing Guerrero ahead of the trade deadline next month.
Of course, such a deal would be predicated on Toronto actually making Guerrero available. Toronto is tied for fifth place in the AL East with a 31-33 record but currently sits just two games out of the final AL Wild Card spot, making a postseason push more than feasible in the event that the Jays manage to turn things around. Even if they don’t manage to climb back into contention, club GM Ross Atkins recently took to the radio to emphasize that trading either Guerrero or fellow star infielder Bo Bichette “doesn’t make any sense” for the Blue Jays to consider. This sort of deal would also surely require the Cubs themselves to turn things around prior to the trade deadline. While Chicago is just one game out of an NL Wild Card spot at the moment, their 31-34 record puts them mere percentage points ahead of the Cardinals for last place in a crowded NL Central division after a brutal skid that has seen them go 7-17 over their last 24 games.
All those caveats make it appear unlikely that a deal between the Jays and the Cubs will actually come together, although it’s worth noting that things can certainly change with nearly two months to go until deadline day. The idea that the two sides could come together on a Guerrero deal certainly has some logic to it, even as plenty of roadblocks remain in the way of a trade occurring. Reporting from ESPN’s Jeff Passan earlier this week indicated that the Jays are unlikely to set a course for their trade deadline strategy until after the All Star break, while Cubs president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer recently made note of the fact that the club has struggled with power production this season and indicated that he could look to address that issue ahead of the deadline.
If the Cubs are looking for power, Guerrero would certainly provide it. A three-time All Star in the midst of his age-25 season, the slugger has slashed a combined .284/.364/.498 with 113 home runs in 541 games since his breakout 2021 season where he led the majors with 48 long balls and finished second to Shohei Ohtani in AL MVP voting. In addition to his impactful offensive ability, Guerrero could be a particularly attractive trade candidate for Chicago due to his remaining team control. Most other speculative trade candidates who could add some thump to a lineup, such as Alex Bregman, Pete Alonso, and Christian Walker, are set to become free agents after the 2024 campaign. Guerrero, on the other hand, is currently slated to hit free agency after 2025. That would not only give Chicago an additional full season of team control over Guerrero’s services, but also give them the opportunity to extend him a Qualifying Offer in the event he departs in free agency.
Guerrero has almost exclusively appeared at first base and DH in recent years, where the Cubs have relied primarily on Michael Busch and Mike Tauchman this season. While the pair have been perhaps the Cubs’ most effective hitters this year, neither player figures to get in the way of a trade for a player of Guerrero’s caliber. Busch has cooled off somewhat after a hot start to the year in April and is striking out a 33.8% clip on the season, while Tauchman turns 34 in December and is unlikely to be viewed as a long-term piece even in spite of his excellent play with the Cubs over the past year. For an impact talent like Guerrero, the Cubs would surely be willing to push Tauchman into more of a fourth outfielder role while still allowing him to draw some starts on days where Busch sits. It’s even possible that the Cubs could look to free up more playing time by getting Guerrero occasional time at third base, as the Blue Jays have started to do for the first time since moving him off the position back in 2019.
Guerrero offers little in terms of defensive value at the hot corner, but the Cubs’s options at third are hardly defensively robust in their own right. Christopher Morel has gotten the lion’s share of playing time at the position this year but has received terrible ratings from defensive metrics. His -11 Outs Above Average is dead last among all qualified fielders this year according to Statcast, while his -8 Defensive Runs Saved is tied for last among all qualified infielders according to Fielding Bible. Patrick Wisdom, Nick Madrigal, and David Bote have all also seen occasional time at the hot corner for the Cubs this year, but none of them profile as quality defenders at the position themselves. If the Cubs share in Toronto’s willingness to give Guerrero even occasional starts at third base, that could allow manager Craig Counsell plenty of room to mix and match as he juggles Guerrero, Morel, Busch, and Cody Bellinger between the infield corners while also utilizing Bellinger alongside Tauchman, Ian Happ, Seiya Suzuki, and Pete Crow-Armstrong in the club’s outfield mix.
tigers182
Apparently not that private
Al Hirschen
I personally think that the Mets make a trade for him to play third base. With the full intent to matching him up with Soto. To have Clifford play first base next year or at some point next year along with Acuna at second base.
Camikey
I personally think you are completely wrong on every move you propose. I will be very surprised if even one of these things happen.
mlb fan
“Not that private”…I know, right. Apparently they “privately” discuss trades and then immediately call Bob Nightengale, John Heyman & Jeff Passan to inform them of all the insider details.
Fred Lingenfelser
I came here to comment the same thing lol
stymeedone
Guess those discussions aren’t private anymore. Sad that the player has to live with these rumors while trying to perform to already lofty expectations. Can’t people keep their mouth shut in today’s world?
Card AG
I mean rumors come with the job
LSH99
It’s exactly what they’re paid to “live with.”
MysteryWhiteBoy13
Lofty expectations come with a record arbitration salary
JoeBrady
MLB TR has already commented on the possibility of him being traded. The GM mentioned it.
And honestly, if he wants to hear less rumors, he needs to perform better.
Moonlight Graham
He has a .973 OPS over the past 30 games, including a .451 OBP in that span. I think he’s performing pretty well!
The team, on the other hand, leaves something to be desired.
JoeBrady
I have .919 over his last 30, but with a .396 BABIP. It’s only 3 HRs in 116 ABs, albeit with an excellent 17/17 K/W..
Tigers3232
@stymeed if Vlad’s performance was better than the discussion would most likely be more of attempts at extending him.
CTS4
Trade Vladdy, Fire shapiro and his useless GM atkins. !!
Shadow Banned
Ohtani was on his way to his partners when he got a “you up?” text and bailed on the Jays.
TennVol
What could the Cubs offer the Jays? With his 1.5 yrs of control, it won’t be cheap and he is really hitting well over the last three weeks.
Spaced-Cowboy
He’s not being moved. Management wants to keep their jobs. Any wind of him or Bo being traded will jeopardize their job security. Same goes with our manager, cannot take risks with his job on the line which leads to poor decision making. We have athletic players and we barely run or steal bases. Jays and fans are in limbo. I would love Brown from the Cubs. Would you guys need a combination of Jansen, Kikuchi or Garcia?
StudWinfield
@S-C: If ownership doesn’t want to trade a player then wouldn’t having trade discussions jeopardize management’s employment? And if it does, wouldn’t that mean that they are willing to take risks? I don’t think wanting to save your job and not taking risks are mutually exclusive.
Spaced-Cowboy
I think leaving no stone unturned and pretending to assess options can be observed as the same. Part of the job is making difficult decisions; and that can become increasingly difficult without a single owner. Coupled with the thin ice management is already on, it leads us to a lack of action. Same goes for Schneider and his inability to take risks because of the lack of job security. Toronto franchises in general are obsessed with the running it back model, and it screams insanity. To sum it up I don’t believe the two to be mutually exclusive in this situation. I believe one is directly contributing to the other.
MysteryWhiteBoy13
And that’s the problem with this management, they are never willing to admit they aren’t good enough, end up holding on to players reaching free agency soon and then either lose them for nothing or trade them at a fraction of their value
JoeBrady
they are never willing to admit they aren’t good enough
=================
But they are pretty good, with 91, 92, and 89 wins in the last three seasons.
stymeedone
Will management keep their jobs if they don’t win, and Guerrero walks for no return?
Spaced-Cowboy
They would likely keep their job for one more season in this instance. Whereas trading Vladdy now would lead to a high chance of dismissal this offseason. A better performance on another team would only compound the issue.
SalaryCapMyth
The Cubs actually have quite a lot in prospect capital. They could put together a package that Toronto would take. I think the price tag at this point would simply be so ugly, so foul and contemptuous on any practical level, I agree with cowboy. It just won’t happen. The package to get him will START with Horton and Cassie, two top 40 prospects that will be ready for 2025.
Now watch Cubs fans come here and say there’s no way they would give up that much. Which is probably why Cowboy is right. Imagine giving up those two plus another top prospect that is ready for 2025? It’s a tough pill to swallow.
LSH99
The Cubs absolutely won’t give up “that much.” And I’m not saying I value those guys one way or the other, but the Cubs act like every single player in their minor league system is going to be the greatest major leaguer ever. So no, they won’t trade much of anything from it. They’ll just bring those guys up themselves, and they won’t produce, like Mervis, Morel, Amaya, and on and on.
SalaryCapMyth
Every fan base has fans like that. The team you cheer for has them too. The Cubs aren’t special in this way. Other than that I hope you realize we are agreeing.
ChrisEnvy76
I don’t agree with this at all. No one is getting Horton. Caissie makes some sense… You’re really looking more at a trade for jansen and VGJ… It would be in the vain of,
Caissie/Alcantara
Triantos
Drew Gray
SalaryCapMyth
Did you read what I said? I didn’t say the Cubs WOULD trade Cassie. In fact you are proving my point that nobody would make this trade because nobody would want too. I never said they should make it.
Toronto is going to ask for to much because they aren’t interested in trading Vlad at all. If the Cubs, or another team is crazy enough to meet there intensely high expectation (for now, anyway) then of course they will except that trade.
SalaryCapMyth
Except = accept
ChrisEnvy76
Did you read what I wrote? What I was saying is that Toronto isn’t going to ask for that and if they did they’d come back down to reality and the package I suggested is much more realistic. You sound delusional, I didn’t comment on whether or not you said they should make it.
You have no idea if they are interested in trading for Vlad or not. He has one year left after this before he is a free agent and they aren’t going to be the ones to sign him. They will keep one of Vlad and Bichette and almost everyone thinks it will be Bichette.
Rsox
It’s so private Nightingale is reporting it…
LSH99
I am 100% convinced that Hoyer feeds these things directly to Nightengale. He has been way too on top of most Cubs rumors these past several years. I suspect this is just another nugget that Hoyer wants to feed to Cubs fans while they wait to acquire one low-cost middle reliever at the deadline and pray that the current roster magically starts hitting and fielding again.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cubs getting Vlad is about as likely as me hooking up with JLo.
Unclemike1525
Click bait. Nothing to see people, Move along.The Jays won’t give him up and the Cubs wouldn’t pay what it would take. And if either team did they’d probably regret it later.
rememberthecoop
Very well said. I agree 100%.
thebirds
Why do I keep pitching Vlad in a Brewers or Tigers jersey?? Hmmm??
brewsingblue82
Not sure, because the Brewers need pitching and the Tigers likely won’t be buying heavily enough to be in on him. Tigers would likely be in on a rental that would cost far less.
Motor City Beach Bum
I’d love to see Vlad and Bichette in Detroit. Pull a Joe Carter/Robbie Alomar type trade. Toronto would gave to decide they were resetting for that to happen and be willing to take young pitchers and hitters in return. Harris/Greenberg don’t seem likely to pull the trigger on any blockbusters but I think they need to make their sigature move (trade or signing) at some point. I doubt Shapiro and Atkins would do it either.
The Brewers have good young players like Tyler Black who could ve shipped back the other way and make sense.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
or HOU, SEA, PIT, CIN, BOS, SDP maybe
This one belongs to the Reds
I privately discussed a Lucy Liu trade but that’s not happening either.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
She’s close to retirement.
This one belongs to the Reds
So am I.
SODOMOJO
What’s interesting about Bichette or Vlad possibly getting traded, is that if one ends up getting dealt, wouldn’t it make little sense to keep the other one around as well? The window of this team is seemingly built around those two. Or what about Springer for that matter? Isn’t Jansen in a contract year?
We could see a massive fire sale
rocky7
NObody’s taking Springer with that contract and his age…..but do agree if one of the two others get traded, that opens the window for the other to be signed long term….if the Jays aren’t tempted by a package they can’t say no too…..you never know……
YaGottaBelieveAgain
This year there are alot of players with a good track record with results that can be graded about a C/C- -many with large salaries. Deadballs in 2024?, normal declining skills as they age, playing in pitcher friendly park? There are many relatively young players among the mix. Arozareana, Springer, Carroll many more. I don’t know some players do benefit from a change of scenery more than others. Specifically Springer and any Blue Jays or Rays might benefit from playing on natural turf. Wear and tear on body, better energy levels etc..
I can see TOR trade Vladdy and keep Bichette and do a slight change and not a tear down. Vladdy and Alonso I see as similar players. If I was Atkins and I got a good offer I would trade Vladdy. Same for Stearns with Alonso
Appalachian_Outlaw
I feel like they’ll deal one and keep the other, only because I don’t think they’ll shell out two huge deals. You could probably deal one and frame it as a retool, which (even though they should have fired the GM already) probably buys the front office one more season to fail to get it right.
KamKid
They have a pretty decent pitching staff mostly under control, are willing to spend, and it seems like this new postseason format makes it easy to hang around in contention (the Cubs are positioned as buyers while playing sub .500 ball). I think they could see themselves competing without one of them. The difficulty with trading one of them is that Vlad is a 1B already making $20m with another go through arbitration next year. He’s playing well and has a huge ceiling offensively, but the market just doesn’t value 1B that much. Especially since there’s a decent crop of pending 1B free agents. Not only might they be offseason alternatives, some of them might be rental trade targets too. I don’t think the Jays will just get whatever they can for him. Bo plays a premium position and unlike 1B, the pending SS free agents that are better are on teams in contention so are unlikely to be alternatives on the trade market at the deadline. But Bo is not playing well. It’s not just a case of being unlucky either. None of the underlying metrics are good. I can see teams thinking that it’s systemic and that getting guys out of Toronto would free them up to get more out of their tools. But I don’t think they are going to want to give up too much for the right to try if Bo doesn’t at least show something on the surface or under the hood. He’s been better lately, but can’t seem to sustain it.
letitbelowenstein
Better off pursuing Soto.
Robertowannabe1
Every team privately discusses who they would give up for just about every player in the league. They would need to do so in case a player would come available. It’s what MLB front offices do.
rocky7
Exactly….95% of the league is tradable given the right package coming back……and these types of “what if’s” do happen all the time between teams…..
dano62
And the offer could include…? I’m sure Atkins isn’t interested in magic beans (again)…
ChrisEnvy76
I would think they’d target Jansen and Vlad and the package would be something like;
Alcantara/Caissie
Triantos
Drew Gray
Maybe a lower level guy with big upside like Nazier Mule.
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
He’s going to Texas Rangers
GoGreen
Hmmm… that’s interesting. I’ve noticed Texas platooning Lowe/Duran since Nathaniels return from the oblique injury. Could jolt the offense back to life. However, I see CY moving a haul for SP rather than a position player.
Champ world champion Texas Rangers
Rangers SP has been fine look at the # middle bullpen and offense have been bad.
Citizen1
Done in by anti aircraft fire with AA to the braves. Some connections somewhere
Cubs Win!
No way this happens. It would likely have to start with either Cassie or Shaw, plus others (plural).
drasco036
Cubs wouldn’t be giving up Caissie for Vlad even in a straight up deal.
It would be likely Alcantara or another lower prospect in the “top 100” with two, maybe three lower regarded prospects.
Cubs likely will make a play for Alonzo at the deadline/before the deadline.
kmac 2
Who would the Cubs send to the Jays??
Pants Rowland
it would probably at least involve the Cubs prospect Owen Caissie OF ,,, Caissie is Canadian, and is playing well at AAA Iowa.
Jobba 2
Lots of talk about Jays rebuild without the context of the stadium reno just finished this season . There’s zero chance ownership will choose to rebuild for 25 waving the white flag . They will punt the rebuild to deadline 25 and try to compete .
Lux tax team last couple years, running highest payrolls in team history
Florida complex build a few years ago
Kept high payroll during covid even when they had almost 1 full year of no gate longer than rest of MLB
Topped off by reno complete this season . The only way rogers chooses rebuild this deadline is if the front office tells them there’s no chance at wild card for 25 with retool
Poopscab13
Makes sense, they need some pop and they’re not really getting quality defense at the infield corners to begin with even if they play him at 3rd. This would probably spell the end for Bote or Madrigal and push Busch to the bench. They can split the corners between Belli, Guerrero, and Wisdom while keeping Tauchman in the outfield and can keep Morel at DH where he belongs
fivepoundbass
Bote is a temporary placeholder, at best. He is not part of their plans.
NoSaint
I have a cousin that works for the Jays and he says it’s happening. Thanks for all your hard work.
Oh ya, I went there.
Spaced-Cowboy
A Blue Jay landed on my porch and told me otherwise 🙂
Unclemike1525
Hoyer has already painted himself into a corner with the dumb contracts he’s handed out. Hendricks- Waste of 16 million. Smyly- waste of 11 million.
Happ-20 million which is fair but NMC kills it. Suzuki -also probably worth what he’s being paid but another NMC. Staying under the Tax is no longer realistic if this club can go anywhere in the playoffs. Instead of being patient and letting the young guys progress he put major roadblocks in the way. Now he has to eat Smyly and Hendricks and the sooner the better. He shouldn’t even be thinking about trading for somebody else’s stuff, He SHOULD be figuring out ways to get his young guys AB’s in the Majors. They need to be patient right now not talking stupid crap like this. A Closer, A Catcher, Realistic needs that can be filled practically I’m sure. 3B? Fine if they do something that makes sense. Going over the tax shouldn’t be a huge deal unless they do something stupid. Although selling that to Ricketts as to why he has to eat 27 million on 2 P’s so now we have to go over the tax might get tricky. Unless Hendricks is Ricketts pet because I know Smyly is Hoyer’s. They need patience here not stupidity. Every rumor isn’t true and people are going to keep making them up for the next 2 months.
its_happening
So you buy a soft reload for full on contention in 2025 then? You laid out the foundation and I agree. Cubs shouldn’t be going after Vlad. Not the right fit or time.
Unclemike1525
Every time you say reload I throw up in my mouth a little bit. All it is right now is I’m driving down the road and there’s a barricade in my way but there’s a way around. So I figure a way around a couple of things that are in my way. Reload means absolutely nothing in baseball. Guns, Buffet line, Shotglass fine. Means nothing here.
its_happening
Ok, here’s something even a low IQ baseball person like yourself can understand:
The Cubs are overrated hot garbage going nowhere in 2024 in a putrid division they still can’t win.
If you’re too weak a person to tolerate truth, take a week or 8 off. What means nothing is your thoughtless opinion that’s been proven wrong.
ASapsFables
Well said. On top of the Cubs problems with Ricketts and Hoyer they are also having an issue with their latest new ‘genius’ managerial hire. How does any competent manager justify having Patrick Wisdom and Christopher Morel bat leadoff and number 2 for two consecutive games in any baseball universe? No traditional manager in the history of the game would have ever considered such a lineup and I can’t believe a competent analytic skipper would either.
ASapsFables
I can accept Morel hitting near the top of a batting order in some matchups despite his lack of BA, OBP and excessive SO rate with his speed and athleticism. It’s unforgivable for Wisdom to be anywhere near the top of a lineup when he fails at every one of these offensive profiles.
mindseye15
Can he pitch out of the bullpen? Yeah they have problems offensively…but the bullpen is just as offensive.
This one belongs to the Reds
Well, they could use a first baseman.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Cubs keep trying to build a contender too early and Jays are slow to rebuild
drasco036
Hawkins: Jed, Morel is the worst third baseman in the league
Jed: hold my beer…
mlbnyyfan
Please take Rizzo back for a dozen baseballs. I’d rather the Yankees take a chance on Ben Rice or try Wells at first. Rizzo your time in Pinstripes like Torres is OVER!!!! Sorry Capt Judge your best friend is done in NY.
User 4204968895
I remember when the Red Sox appeared in rumors like this
UWPSUPERFAN77
Unless you move Vlad to 3rd this trade makes no sense. Of course, You could pay him big for future years!
JoeBrady
Why does the article sound so high on the Jays chances for the playoffs, and not so much for the Cubs.
The Jays are “just two games out of the playoffs”, while the Cubs, who are just one game out, have to turn things around?
And the article mentions that the Cubs are ‘mere percentage points out of last. Which might make sense to mention only if TO wasn’t in the same position.
Canuckleball
Because the Cubs are acting/thinking like they’re in a dominant position and the Jays in a weak position when the reality is both teams are in the same position.
The Jays aren’t that far out of the playoffs, therefore selling one of their best players is a little surprising right now.
Likewise, the Cubs are not a playoff team at the moment and a trade for Vladdy would be a huge move at a pretty big cost for a team with no playoff certainty.
taran7
7-17 with that “genius” manager Councel???
panderson7796
Surely Busch is a part of that trade. I know it seems great to envision Busch dominating at 1B for 5 more years but there’s no guarantee he ever becomes half the hitter Vlad is. Having the second year and ability to give a QO makes Vlad a much more attractive option than Alonso.
fivepoundbass
And, a much more expensive option.
ohyeadam
This is a smoke screen to lower the asking price for Alonso
Appalachian_Outlaw
Alonso won’t go for a ton, as is, because he’s a rental. If teams try to go too low, the Mets can just let him play out his contract and take the comp pick.
tuck 2
The asking price is please pay his salary and let us play Vientos at first base
Lankster19
Hoyer is an idiot if he makes a deal. Anything significant included in a deal should have been tried to get soto in the offseason. Vladdy isn’t gonna save the team by any stretch. Gotta be patient and play the farm system. It’s number 2 in the league for a reason
Canuckleball
Soto is a free agent. You don’t have to trade for him. Any pieces traded for Vladdy or anyone else won’t make any difference to Soto.
Also, the Cubs have no chance of getting Soto as a free agent. The two New York teams and a handful of other teams have deeper pockets and more willingness to spend
Lankster19
Should have been tried to get Soto this past offseason. Yea Soto will not be signed by Cubs as a free agent. Thank you
frankf
What does privately discuss even mean?
Hoyer: Hey, you know who we should trade fo
Hawkins: Who?
Hoyer: Vlad Guerrero.
Hawkins: Yeah, that would be awesome.
Hoyer: Sure would. Welp, time to comb the waiver wire for middle relievers.
Liberalsteve
what is the point of getting him? Slow and Bad defensive 1b that will put up a just above average OPS? Also, highly overpaid. I wouldn’t give up more than a 40 prospect
tlt0853
This might be the stupidest column I’ve seen on the cubs. This current team isn’t going anywhere. They certainly don’t need to rent Guerrero for a few months. That would be dumber than the Busch trade was.
Canuckleball
Vladdy is under team control for a year and a few months. He wouldn’t be a strict rental.
Prunella Vulgaris
It’s starting to feel like summer in Chicago. Cubs bats should warm up.
mlbnyyfan
Would the Mets take Crow-Armstromg back for Alonso?
Lankster19
Yes they would. PCA will not be traded for a rental. End of story
tuck 2
Exactly what “caliber of player” is Vladdy at this point. Numbers have declined steadily and this year he has 7 homers and 30 RBI. By comparsion the Orioles have 6 guys w at least 7 homers, and 5 of them have more than 10. And a couple of those platoon.
Not saying he’s not a good add for a contender and being part of a better lineup will help him, but let’s not act like this is a trade for Aaron Judge or something
drasco036
Vlad, lately, has been scorching the ball all over the field. As a matter of fact, he has done so all season but started the year with an absolutely terrible BABIP.
I don’t see this happening but I would love to see Guerrero on the Northside.
Michael Chaney
Atkins/Shapiro and Carter Hawkins were together in Cleveland’s front office so if the Blue Jays do end up making Vladdy available, I’m sure they have enough of a relationship to get the ball rolling
CarolinaCubsandKush
No shots in the dark at what it would cost to get him? His bat would look nice in the lineup for sure… (if Cubs can avoid giving up Caissie or Horton)