The Blue Jays have had among the more disappointing early season performances in the league so far this season, as they entered play today with a record of just 19-24 that leaves them at the bottom of the AL East, more than ten games back of the Yankees for the division crown. As noted by Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet, club GM Ross Atkins spoke to reporters on the field prior to today’s game against the Rays about the club’s tough start and the path forward. Atkins acknowledged that the club’s struggles can’t continue if they hope to have a successful season, even as he expressed confidence in the club’s internal options.
“We believe in this talent,” Atkins said. “There is time left, but there is a massive sense of urgency and we need to get it turned around soon.”
It’s easy to see why the club has struggled in the standings when looking at the underlying performance of the talent on both sides of the ball. Toronto’s bats rank bottom three in the AL with a collective wRC+ of just 93, which is a far cry from last year’s 107 figure. Making matters worse is a struggling pitching staff that has posted a 4.45 ERA this season that’s good for fourth-worst among all AL clubs. While the club’s rotation has a decent 4.15 ERA that’s within spitting distance of league average, they’ve been dragged down by brutal performances in the bullpen that have left the club’s relievers with a combined 4.92 ERA that ranks better than just the Angels and Rangers among all MLB clubs.
Given the club’s deep struggles in all aspects of the game, there’s plenty of room for improvement both internally and externally all around the roster. That being said, significant trades this early in the season are somewhat rare. While they’re not completely unheard of, as the recent swap that sent Luis Arraez from the Marlins to the Padres demonstrates, notable deals at this point in the calendar typically require the buy-side team to pay a premium in order to convince the selling club not to wait out the market in hopes of a bidding war closer to the deadline. Atkins acknowledged that reality, but even as he did so he refused to shut the door on making a move should it prove necessary.
“If we were to acquire a player at this point, you obviously are paying a premium. We can do that. We have the players to trade for that level of talent,” Atkins said, as noted by Nicholson-Smith. “We [presently] feel that the best contributions that could create that change in run scoring are going to come from within our clubhouse or triple-A, with the players that are here. But the dialogue is steady on the alternatives that that could happen.”
That the Blue Jays believe they have the pieces necessary to get a jump on the trade market is a notable development, and it’s easy to see why an aggressive move early in the calendar could make sense for the club. While the team’s performance on the field this year may not reflect it, Toronto is clearly in a win-now mode with catcher Danny Jansen set to become a free agent after the 2024 campaign and key pieces like Bo Bichette, Jordan Romano, and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. ticketed for the open market the following offseason. Speculatively speaking, acquiring additional talent ahead of trade season could not only give the club the best chance of winning this year, but even potentially allow them to recoup some of the capital spent to acquire that talent later this summer should the team’s struggles continue and the playoffs appear out of reach by late July.
At least for the time being, however, it seems that Atkins and the Blue Jays appear content to rely on internal improvements. That could come both in the form of stronger production from key pieces like Bichette, Romano, George Springer, and Kevin Gausman, all of whom have struggled this year, but Atkins also acknowledged the farm system as a potential source of internal production. Outfielder Nathan Lukes, infielder Orelvis Martinez, and first baseman Spencer Horwitz are all already on the 40-man roster and have enjoyed success at Triple-A to this point in the season.
Yankee Clipper
Must be a seminar for GMs, because they all keep saying variations of the same line: “We believe in the talent we have.”
This one belongs to the Reds
Maybe Crash Davis is teaching GMs courses on cliches these days!
NYCityRiddler
Atkins is a fool & a clown, for reference see MLB standings. Ahahaha!
njbirdsfan
I believe it’s actually a YouTube course on how to manifest wins.
Theodore
Can some one tell Atkins to resign , that’s the best thing he can do for the Blue Jays.
And someone with any authority atRogers issue pink slips to Atkins and Shapiro instead of listen to the same crap about these guys tell us these guys will hit . When they get no players with MLB talent to play for this team
Bobcastelliniscat
Yeah, Nick Krall keeps saying “We like who we are” or some such drivel. How to talk without saying a thing. I guess it’s better than saying “I spent an additional $50 Million dollars this past winter and we have somehow gotten worse”.
mlb fan
“We like who we are…Somehow gotten worse”….There IS a reason GMs typically spin things; if they told the truth they’d most likely be looking for new employment in a matter of days.
westcasey
thats how the GM shifts all blame/responsibility to the players on the roster…ignoring the fact the GM put the roster together.
DarkSide830
One has to wonder if Vlad playing anything like he had in 2021 would do wonders for this team. Because since then, he’s been somewhat disappointing.
SonnySteele
Yeah, I remember when he was supposed to be the second coming of Vladimir Guererro. 😉
Trojan Toss
he was never going to be close to as good as his father. Who is also overrated- poor base stealer, poor defender- arguably shouldn’t even be in the Hall of Fame- at most he’s barely a true Hall of Famer. But at least he could run fast and hit very well on a consistent basis. All jr has to show is his 1 single season of great hitting. jr has always been bad in the field and a terrible/stupid base runner. One of the 5 or so worst overall contributers on the basepaths in all of MLB.
Trojan Toss
In fact, guerrero jr just got thrown out at 2nd today trying and failing to stretch a single into a double (yet again). Of course it should have been a double, but he is such a terrible runner that it’s a close play for an individual like him. Can’t make thus stuff up.
ruthlesslyabsurd
Vlad wasn’t a BAD baserunner. Took the extra base 47% of the time (league average 41). Got caught in 34% of his SB attempts (league average 30). So he was an average baserunner
mlb fan
“Wasn’t a BAD baserunner”…I’m not big on opinion-manufacturing, establishment analytics statistics, but my EYES(and common sense)tell me Vlade is a bad baserunner.
its_happening
You did not cite the mental mistakes on the base paths that caused him to be picked off or not be on a base he was supposed to be on. Selective stats. Vlad is not a good baserunner.
Trojan Toss
The fact is that the Blue Jays should attempt a rebuild at this point. Just a rag-tag motley bunch of misfits who have zero chance this year and the future looks bleak for them- their “window” is definitely over. guerrero jr has had 1 great season, 1 good season, and the rest of the time he has been mediocre year after year after year- they should trade the gross slob as soon as possible for whatever they can get in return- even if all they get back is the piece of chewing gum from a 1980s pack of cards. guerrero jr will never even be consistently good, let alone a true MLB star. It would be insanity for them to give him a new contract, but considering the stupidity of the organization, they will probably give him a new contract anyway. Especially if guerrero jr suspiciously has a good season in his walk year, as so many do (of course he should be traded/dumped before then anyway). Definitely the type of stupid organization to be duped by something like a good walk year despite year after year of mediocrity besides 2021 and to a much much much lesser extent 2022. In fact, even in 2021 he wasn’t a true superstar. The guy sucks.
Bobcastelliniscat
I read that Ohtani is on a flight to Toronto.
terrymesmer
>guerrero jr will never even be consistently good
Are you talking about Vlad Jr? The 25-year-old fellow who averages 31 HR, 98 RBI and 3.8 WAR every 162 games played, and has a career 130 OPS+? The guy who, this year, an alleged “down” year, has an astounding 59.7% hard hit rate?
You call that guy a mediocre gross slob?
>The guy sucks.
Every team in baseball would pay a ransom for that guy.
its_happening
Vlad is overrated. Certainly wouldn’t bring a ransom return, especially not as a 1B. Jays don’t have many players that would garner a big return. Not Bo, not Varsho. They’d need to consider trading high with Berrios and potentially Manoah if he is truly “back”.
30 Parks
It’s TSS – Toronto Sports Syndrome. The Leafs “believe” in their talent, too. Jays need to give the reins to Mattingly.
its_happening
Mattingly does nothing to turn this team around. One would think his greatest impact would be his hitting wisdom. If that hasn’t produced magic, why would anyone expect him to be a top notch manager when he wasn’t in LA or Miami?
30 Parks
Experience. Jays go on a run when Mattingly gets-the-call.
its_happening
2017 Jays were experienced. Thats the 2024 Jays.
30 Parks
Mattingly with a young team? Good combo. Jays go on a run when Mattingly takes over. I’ll check in with you in August.
its_happening
What young team are you talking about? This Jays team is young? Since when?
30 Parks
Vlad is 25. Bichette is 26. That’s not young? Varsho is 27. Berríos is 29. Manoah is 26. Jays fans change their tune more than the Grateful Dead.
its_happening
First two names you mentioned have only 1 year left until free agency. That aside, Blue Jays are in the Top 5 oldest teams in baseball based on the roster.
Know what tune you’re listening to before you judge the song.
30 Parks
All you Jays fans talked about for years, the engine that drives the team, are Vlad & Bo (we won’t mention the grossly overrated Biggio). So, now that’s not important? Typical Jays.
Great insight. What’s a “contract?”
its_happening
I might be the most critical Jays fan. Not sure why you’re coming in with too much emotion and no facts whatsoever. You said the Jays are young. I said they aren’t. Now you’re coming up with an incoherent take I had nothing to do with? Stop.
Yes, there are some Jays fans who do not get it. Yes the Jays squandered their window with questionable decisions and poor roster assembling. Point and fire at another Jays fan.
30 Parks
“Stop” – sure thing. I gave you five core pieces of the Jays “old” team, all under thirty, and you explained how contracts work. Stop. Right? Am I using that right?
Stop.
Theodore
It’s not Vladd or Bo issue that Atkins or Shapiro
Can not bring in any true MLB baseball talent.
Most guys In there current line up are not full time or part time mlb players , forcing vladdy’s and Bo to force the issue with every at Bat,
The other issue both Atkins in Shapiro were to involved with stadium repairs than improving this club
Ted
Sorry, Vlad and Bo can’t get off the hook that easily. Bo is slumping of his own accord, and this is just who Vlad is – a roughly average first baseman.
terrymesmer
According to B-Ref.
Vlad: 59.7% hard hit rate
MLB: 39.3% hard hit rate
its_happening
Did anyone question Vlad’s ability to hit the ball hard? Does not appear anyone was questioning that one bit.
motor
The proper thing would be to fire Atkins and bring in your new GM who would have time to prepare for the July sell off and inevitable rebuild. This team’s ceiling this year was always 4th in the AL East. Time to dismantle and build from scratch
longtimefan
Right on
Blackpink in the area
The Jays are perhaps the most disappointing team in baseball at this point. Guerrero appears to be a 1 year wonder. Bichette, Springer and Kirk all have an OPS under 600. They kinda have a window to win and they aren’t winning.
Theodore
Atkins today says confidence in his manager if Tampa sweeps Toronto this week his ass will be fired . Atkins a constant back stabber
NoSaint
Atkins has already fired 2 managers. This 3rd bite means he’s out the door too.
jimmertee
Why does anyone listen to Ross Atkins? He mouths words that say and mean nothing and has been saying similar since he was hired in 2016.
Any Shapiro and Atkins success is on the heals of AA building the winner they inherited and they still couldn’t get it done.
Their drafting and developing is terrible especially pitching. An organization cannot succeed longterm with how Shaprio and Atkins are running it.
Since 2015/16 I have been saying to fire these two and also saying the BlueJays will never win any championship as long as both are involved in player personnel decision-making.
Shapiro is a real estate renovations genius and he got the organization magificiently through the covid scam. At least move Shapiro to business only activites, hire a new President of baseball operations and fired Atkins.
This organization could have had Alex Anthopoulos running things, they could have had Dave Dombrowski running things….
Mr Rogers, are you listening?
Theodore
100 % correct how does Atkins and Shapiro believe this team to compete
Biggio
Clement
Vogelbach.
IKF
Are mainly players that are not
Everyday MLB players
Kiermaier
Springer , best days way behind them
Varsho great defensively for will never hit
Consistently
This team needs to be rebuilt , and not by Shapiro and Atkins
terrymesmer
Varsho has a 110 OPS+ and leads the team in HR and RBI.
Don’t underestimate a decent bat coupled with the best glove in MLB.
Judge, NYY: 2.3 WAR (1 DRS, 0.1 dWAR)
Soto, NYY: 2.3 WAR (1 DRS, -0.1 dWAR)
Varsho, TOR: 2.3 WAR (12 DRS, 1.3 dWAR is #1-T in MLB)
its_happening
Varsho is still an easy out, and his bat isn’t as good as it is being portrayed by your stat pick. Face an ace or a #2 starter with some control and Varsho is done. Overvalued .210 hitters is a mistake.
its_happening
Rogers will go after Kim Ng or Farhan Zaidi if they let go of Atkins at the deadline or after the season. Will that decision be inspiring?
jimmertee
KIm Ng is a good executive as is Farhan but neither are in the Dombrowski/Anthopolous class. I think with NG or Zaidi it would be more of the same.
its_happening
Correct Jimmertree. That is why people should be looking at ownership first. Neither should be hired, but my gut says those two would be at the top of their wish list.
longtimefan
Atkins has to go . He is delusional if he really thought this team was going to improve their offence from last year . We can’t let him be in charge of the rebuild /reset needed . Can’t blame Schneider as you can’t manage an offence that doesn’t exist (for whatever freedom he has to make decisions which I doubt)
CTS4
Shapiro and Carry on baggage atkins are the problem. Their time is up and they must be fired… They have never built an elite ball team ever,…
bestone
…despite having access to a large payroll, players don’t seem to want to play for a Shatkins team
Old York
Jays need to sell at the deadline. Teams will be wanting to pick up some of their Starters and they’ve got plenty of them to get some good hauls back. I think they should consider getting what they can for Bo and Vlad as well. This window of contention has essentially closed.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Bold prediction: jays fire atkins in 2025 offseason, vlad and bo walk (or get traded), fire sale starts and springer ends up back in Houston
bestone
There are just too many unanswered questions. The problem is that the fans continue to support the team, despite that the team has an appearance of dis function. How the two in charge manage to keep their jobs is a mystery.
its_happening
Same way Ricciardi kept his job a year and a half too long.
Shady1771
Shatkins duo are simply a joke. Enough said. This team has become embarrassing. Up 4-0 today and they lose!!! Absolutely pathetic. What are these coaches putting into their heads?! It sure doesn’t seem to be working at all. Hitting coaches need to be given their walking papers and sorry to say but Schneider and Mattingly are not the answer. Time for a complete overhaul folks because as hopeful as I am I simply cannot see the “bats” waking up all of a sudden.
LordD99
It’s common to mention Vlad as a disappointment, but all their young hitters short of Bichette have disappointed, and even he’s now regressed. Kirk was an All-Star in 2022, but since June 2022 he’s had an OPS in the .600s. His bat was supposed to be his carrying tool but that’s collapsed.
Ted
“Toronto is clearly in a win-now mode”
Sorry, but even as a Jays fan, that ship has sailed. This team had a window in 2020-2022 and came up short.
Blow it up and try again.
yomamaspimp
Anyone else noticed that “massive” is Ross’ new favourite go-to word….?
THEHOUSETHATMOSEBYBUILT
… an ‘impressive’, ‘large and imposing’ observation…
Shady1771
Atkins is pure and simply an idiot. I don’t think he has any clue about how to put a winning team together. Vladdy has had his chance to iron out his issues. How many seasons do you waste on him trying to figure it out!? It’s not all on him as you need a whole team to win championships. When Jays fans (the most loyal in all of baseball IMHO) start to “boo” your team like they did tonight it’s time to get going with another strategy because this current lineup is not figuring it out and not simply going to flip a switch and all of a sudden say “oh that’s what we were doing wrong”. I love this organization/Team however this current lineup is not going to get it done. They missed their window!