Voters in Jackson County, Missouri voted overwhelmingly against a sales tax measure that would have given money to the Royals and Chiefs, per reports from Dave Skretta of the Associated Press and Mike Hendricks of The Kansas City Star. 58% of voters were against the measure with just 42% in support.
The Royals currently play in Kauffman Stadium while the Chiefs play in Arrowhead Stadium, with both facilities sitting next to each other as part of the Truman Sports Complex. The Royals are hoping to build a new stadium at a new location, revealing some plans back in February. The Chiefs are hoping to stay at Arrowhead but were hoping to secure funding for renovations. Sam Robinson of Pro Football Rumors recently took a look at the news from the Chiefs’ perspective.
The proposed measure would have replaced an existing three-eighths of a cent capital improvements sales tax, which was approved by voters in 2006, with a new three-eighths of a cent sales tax that would run through 2064. Per the proposal, the money from that tax would help pay for the Royals’ planned new ballpark and renovations of Arrowhead.
Royals owner John Sherman said he was “deeply disappointed” with the result but didn’t reveal what his next steps would be. “We will take some time to reflect on and process the outcome and find a path forward that works for the Royals and our fans,” he said.
Owners of sports franchises often dangle the threat of leaving town as a means of hopefully extracting public money for building or upgrading stadiums. This is something Sherman did in recent weeks, per Hendricks. “This is about sustaining ourselves as a major league city,” Sherman said last month. “There’s lots of cities that would love to have these franchises.”
Per this week’s reporting, Sherman has backed off of that stance, saying that it was an idea that came from political strategists. “Somebody smarter than me finds that is a message that resonates,” he said to a question about the threat of leaving Kansas City. “But I answer that question with, ‘This is my hometown.’”
The club could alter their proposal to voters but it didn’t seem as though Sherman had a strong appetite for that in the wake of yesterday’s results. “There is no redo of this campaign,” said a joint letter from Sherman and Chiefs chairman and CEO Clark Hunt. “This is not going back on the ballot in November. There is no plan B.”
Per the reports from Skretta and Hendricks, voters were against the plan for various reasons, including the lack of financial details and the potential impact on downtown businesses, while some felt the money could be better spent on other priorities like affordable housing or public transportation. The Royals also initially proposed two possible spots for relocation, one on the eastern part of the downtown and the other in Clay County, Missouri, across the Missouri River. They eventually scrapped both of those and settled on a different downtown neighborhood known as the Crossroads, but the plans for that site were still considered to be lacking in detail.
Kauffman Stadium opened in 1973 and is the sixth-oldest of the 30 stadiums in Major League Baseball. Fenway Park opened in 1912, the Cubs began playing in Wrigley Field in 1916, Dodgers Stadium opened in 1962, Angel Stadium in 1966 and the A’s began their tenure at the Oakland Coliseum in 1968. Assuming the A’s successfully move to Las Vegas in the coming years as planned, the Royals will move up to fifth on that list.
The current lease for both the Royals and Chiefs runs through January 31, 2031. The Royals had planned to move into their new stadium for the start of the 2028 season but it’s possible this setback may force them to change that target.
DarkSide830
Once again: I love democracy.
cwizzy6
Thats the beauty of democracy. The people get to decide. Not just something YOU dont like.
saluelthpops
Wait. So one can only love democracy if everything goes their way?
jacl
yes
rrrrr
Keep politics out of baseball
rrrrr
Again keep politics out of baseball. You wanna talk about those go to Yahoo or truth or facebook
BaseballBrewTown
Kind of…. You appear to whining right now. So there is that.
luckyh
That 15 people upvoted this is pathetic. I’m an independent and extreme righties have lost their minds. Disgusting.
User 401527550
This is a political story. Kind of hard not too.
JCPenny
I thought that was obvious.
deweybelongsinthehall
Extreme lefties have not. it’s time the centralist majority takeover America.
danray13
Both parties are bitches
showman
LMAO LMAO LMAO remind me, who was the side who had a temper tantrum and attacked the capital of our country because their orange loser candidate got crushed by 7 million votes? you guys are sore crybaby losers. Get rickety rickety wrecked, nerd
Bart Harley Jarvis
@deweybelongsinthehall,
When you refer to ‘extreme lefties’, are we talking 3/4 sidearm, sidearm, or submariner? And which side of the pitching rubber are they standing?
Silas
@luckyh you are just too stupid for words, get a friggin clue.
Silas
2luckyh you are so correct, how dare anyone have a different point of view and express that point.
Silas
@showman One day you may actually get a clue, in the mean time JSTFU
brodie-bruce
@danray13
“both parties are bitches”
no truer words have been spoken/written
deweybelongsinthehall
Glad you noticed. I hate politics but say what you want as no one is perfect but America needs more Joe McCain and Joe Lieberman types. Best friends outside of politics and who learned to work together for this country! RIP both. True leaders. Not what we have today. Everyone in November should write in “none of the above”.
stanton100
Kind of difficult to keep politics out of baseball when the corrupt commish strong arms the all star game out of Atlanta for strictly political reasons
Raysasineppswasplanted
You mean the feds?
Bart Harley Jarvis
Obviously, reports of irony’s death are grossly exaggerated.
stanton100
No, I mean the $ackless commisioner
luckyh
You first Silas. I was commenting on people saying only the dems are the problem. Keyboard cowboy. Pathetic.
luckyh
Yup.
JazzJazz
That entire story is fabricated, showman. What are you, a gullible child?!
Chuck from Uniontown
Pittsburgh voted against funding new stadiums, they just pushed it through anyway. Welcome to a Republic.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Phoenix did the same thing, and someone shot up the Arizona State legislature as a result. Murika!
foxnews.com/sports/man-who-shot-arizona-official-o…
nosake
Sounds like Japan that way.
JazzJazz
That’s because, Tabata, ALL voting results are fabricated.
The controllers allow there to be voting merely to see how people vote in response to their narratives. But the released “results” of all voting is always fake.
brodie-bruce
@jazzjazz
so do you make your own tin foil hat or do you get custom made somewhere, asking for a friend.
JazzJazz
brodie, are you some sort of agent, paid to sit online all day, every day, and deflect obvious Truths? Or are you just the typical American schmendrick imbecile who doesn’t realize how everything actually works?!
brodie-bruce
neither i got better things to do with my time i just get a good laugh at some of the crazy stuff people believe. next your going convince us that the moon landing isnt real, hoffa is somewhere in the caribbean and the lizard people have teamed up with the illuminati. unless you have some good hard evidence all your spouting a conspiracy theory with some plausibility sprinkled in
JazzJazz
Brodie is definitely a paid agent.
brodie-bruce
your gd right, i’m being paid so well i’m struggling keeping up with my bills
JazzJazz
Brodie: Shady Disinformation Agent.
brodie-bruce
jazzjazz: what is this sarcasm you speak off
case
Until they bypass direct democracy to rely on sketchy representatives and public indifference. Viva Las Vegas!
Bart Harley Jarvis
I’m just hear for the intellectual discourse between those favoring a constitutional republic vs. the majority rule democracy. Speak freely among yourselves.
case
I demand ranked choice voting in a proportional representation system.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Thank you!
deweybelongsinthehall
Is it just me who is tired of the same few states deciding the presidential election? Many live I states where individual votes don’t matter. Go to a representation of the vote format where every vote counts and then EVERYONE will vote and decide.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – No politics please :O)
And yes my friend, it’s just you. There’s a reason electoral votes are utilized.
Don’t like it? Then do what millions who were living in Cali and NY have done, move to a state that better reflects your beliefs.
Personally I think the Swifties should fund the renovations at Arrowhead.
As for Kauffman, it would be great if they could preserve the stadium and all the wonderful memories made by George Brett, Bo Jackson and Wily Mo Pena. But it really does need to be enclosed.
deweybelongsinthehall
Fever, sadly what state is there? The extremes are ruining America.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – I totally agree. I guess for a vote to really count, you need to live in a battleground state. There aren’t as many anymore though, Florida isn’t for one.
Bart Harley Jarvis
*here
Rking
I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Bart Harley Jarvis
@Rking,
Resistance is futile!
Very Barry
This is absolutely fabulous!!! We are finally starting to block funding stadiums for billionaires. Even when they try right after winning the Super Bowl!
Yankee Clipper
That’s not the impressive aspect of this to me. Rather, it is the fact that the elected representatives finally listened to the voting public. Regardless on which side of the aisle one falls, one thing is clear in this country: the politicians (generally speaking) don’t care about the voting public. They say what they have to in order to get elected. They vote in approval what they have to in order to keep their allegiances in the government. They don’t care beyond their guaranteed power and paycheck.
Flanster
Dead on,Clip!!
JazzJazz
Step toward The Light, DarkSide. All voting is fake, as in predetermined, with them just making you *think* that your vote counted.
It’s all and only about unleashing their media to create narratives to be used later to push and justify some agenda or action. Obviously those in control wanted this tax to “fail” for some reason. Like as an excuse for relocating.
Americanentropy
I guess the public is tired of billionaires using public money for thier advantage. Funny the public can recognize this gambit in sports, but not othewise.
RockinRobin
Or the public is tired of funding entertainment. I can get that.
Americanentropy
Or CEOs with all time high salaries increasing costs b/c they can.
Americanentropy
or better still… Why are we talking about whether paying fast food workers a better wage will drive up the cost of a Big Mac instead of asking how much McDonald’s CEO’s $17.8 million salary is driving up the cost?
RockinRobin
I’m going to stick to entertainers argument to stay on point. Singers, movie stars, sports….it’s all entertainment. We like to pay for this stuff.
But, going off point for a moment, anyone can be the CEO of any company. It’s easy. Everyone knows that. It’s a lot harder to hit a curve ball than run a 150,000 employee company.
All that said, I would have voted “no” on the tax for stadium referendum. Those that voted “yes” can always mail their money to the teams.
vtadave
McDonalds posted $8.4B in net income last year. CEO salary is a drop in the bucket. Plus, a majority of his compensation was in stock.
Say Hey what?
93% of all McDonalds are franchises. Big Mac takes a percentage of revenue off the top and also sells them the raw product. Who pays the difference is the owner of the franchise, who is not making 17.8 million per year. They also have to absorb the loss on those “specials” (aka Loss Leaders) advertised by McDonalds.
Paying low skilled workers more is not the solution. Encouraging those same workers to develop better skills is. That way both the worker and the country benefits,
Fast food was never meant to be a career outside of managing one.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Shrink the Big Mac into a not-so-Big Mac. I got a Filet-o-fish last week and was like “wtf it’s two bites”.
Fljay073
Higher minimum wages is just a cover for this…..
With 91% of companies having reported, some $205 billion of stock was repurchased during the fourth quarter of 2023, according to S&P Global data, up 20% from the third quarter and 8.5% ahead of what those same companies had done a year earlier.
stymeedone
There’s a lot more weight on the shoulders of someone responsible for 150,000 employees welfare, than on the shoulders of a person who hits a ball with a stick.
JoeBrady
Most of the people on the far left don’t realize that they were responsible for the stock comp.
IronBallsMcGinty
Dude, it can be a very hard job at times and I think $20 minimum wage for the state of California isn’t unreasonable.
Roguesaw2
The Ceo could work for free and it wouldn’t change the price of a big Mac. They spent billions on labor. That 18 mil is pocket change.
GabeOfThrones
So then who makes fast food for you, Econ boy? Very low-skilled response.
Very Barry
You absolutely need to pay those workers MORE money!!! Perhaps if paid properly, you would see better food and service. Quit making excuses for rich people doing nothing but maintaining their wealth and mistakes by EXPLOITING working class people.
Very Barry
CEO should be working for far less than what he is being paid to do!
Very Barry
The even bigger problem being the amount of stock options he gets “awarded”. His job is to drive up the price of the stock …… Low Wages, Smaller Sandwiches and Drinks at higher prices …. Increased Ad spending to keep your focus away from how the $1 menu no longer exists.
Very Barry
McDonalds just raised the price of 2 hash browns by a $1 in Chicago to $3.25. You used to get 2 for a $1 a while back. Minimum wage has NOT increased. Wages paid to workers in McDonalds did NOT increase. Yet McDonalds is pocketing an extra $1 per customer on hash browns and sausage muffins in the morning. GREED! …. In a few months, we will hear about how revenue INCREASED, and you should buy the stock because things are so “good”. Pushing up stock price, and at the same time greatly increasing CEO pay.
kcmark
Simple solution. Stop buying hash browns.
tuna411
@ veryberry they are flipping burgers, what is the ‘right’ hourly rate?
Fever Pitch Guy
Balls – Agreed! It should all depend on cost of living in each region. It’s expensive as hell to live in Cali, so yeah the fast food workers there should get paid more than the fast food workers in Louisiana or Mississippi.
rocknwell
It’s called inflation. These companies aren’t getting “more greedy” all of a sudden. Your dollars are worth less. You can thank the Fed for that.
Fever Pitch Guy
Hey – You’re totally missing how Big Mac makes most of their money. It’s NOT on food sales, which generates a very slim profit margin.
It’s on REAL ESTATE. Nearly every franchisee pays rent to Big Mac, in fact rental income represents 64% of Big Mac’s revenue from it’s franchises, and it represents 38% of Big Mac’s overall revenue.
So McDonalds is more a real estate company than it is a seller of food.
deweybelongsinthehall
Two different arguments. A minimum wage job was for entry level and retirement work. It was never meant to support oneself. My first job was $2
01/ hour or something like that which is about $11.00/ hour today.
Very Barry
Something that pays more than what they are charging for a Happy Meal.
Very Barry
I did!
PoisonedPens
Or buy a 12 pack of hash browns at Trader Joe’s for $2.50!
unpaidobserver
Then it’s good that McDonald’s is a franchise business.
fox471 Dave
Iron balls: really? Really!!!
cmjustice85
Hmmm you know it makes you think that other things are pushing prices up. Maybe a morons energy policy that has increased the price of fuel. That’s the driving force, have to go electric without the infrastructure to support it no matter what but hey keep blaming McDonalds for the failed policies of a group of morons lead by a dementia patient.
GabeOfThrones
That’s an easy one to answer. A livable wage. Any job that doesn’t provide that shouldn’t exist.
JazzJazz
“We like to pay for this stuff.”
Stop paying for this stuff!
Stop going to games, movies, concerts. Cancel your streaming subscriptions. Stop funding psychos who are destructive and hate you. Start doing constructive things.
In other words….get a life.
njbirdsfan
I’ll make a deal with the county. You can have my vote when you pay off my mortgage.
tedtheodorelogan
The government is just going to waste the money on some other stupid idea. At least with a stadium you get something you can go enjoy.
baseballteam
Yeah the billionaire owners. Like Magic Johnson. Or does that not fit the “them against the commoner” narrative?
nosake
Love your statement
Andrew Fox
If this was just about paying billionaires for a new stadium it probably passes. People are scared witless of losing the chiefs (… about 30 miles west to Johnson County, they’d just move to Kansas). But with the Royals 1) not having actual plans announced, 2) not actually giving details until after early voting started 3) missing every self-imposed deadline to announce things, 4) making huge changes to the plan a week before the election, and 5) the latest plan demolishing a business district people love, enough people who could be on the fence were against the deal.
CrikesAlready
Next stop: Oakland. Rampant crime be damned!
CCCTL
“Murder & non-negligent manslaughter” ratings:
Kansas City 30.93 per 100K (6th)
Oakland 16.24 per 100K (23rd)
CCCTL
“Aggravated Assault”:
KC 1218.48 per 100K (4th)
Oakland 559.17 (24th)
CCCTL
Moving KC to Oakland just seems like, y’know, a good idea.
User 3180623956
But…but…but middle America is the land of perfection…
BaseballBrewTown
I think we had this conversation before…. Or maybe it was a weird dream or something.
User 3180623956
“More of an urban issue”
lmao what an ignorant comment
User 401527550
Oakland will never get another team again.
TotalitarianBaseball
take your facts back to the coast won’t you!
GASoxFan
People can find a statistic that says anything they want.
Per capita crime rates don’t tell the whole story. As someone who lived in New Orleans… almost 20 years ago now I guess… anyways, when you get warnings, and, the house next to yours had some armed thugs follow someone home to the apartment parking, hog tied a person, beat em, robbed em, stole their car brandishing automatic weapons…
Let me tell you, that was ‘one’ person/incident for per capita crime rate, but, the density of our area meant the psychological impacts and worries that hit the ‘non-victims’ you had several hundred people who felt that crime. Especially when similar incidents repeated multiple times per week, with suv pulling over near a sidewalk and a guy with a submachine gun leans out the window holding up folks on the sidewalk, etc etc.
You do the same thing in a lower density area, not as many people lived in fear of those events.
So, you can have a lower per capita rate, but, have more people impacted by serious crimes than an area with higher per capita rates. Especially as you get more rural where one crime in a town of 500 makes astronomical stats.
I honestly think per capita crime statistics were invented by big city proponents to feel better about their problems.
The Truthman
That was a whole lot of words to basically say…nothing.
Four4fore
Kauffman stadium is a great park to navigate in a wheelchair.
coachsixstring
The concourse has to be one of the best in professional sports
Captainmike1
I think this is great
Why should taxpayers support rich owners and rich players
carlos15
KC just won 3 Super Bowls and have a $45m a year QB but they need taxpayers to pay for their future.
Captainmike1
Including the citizens who hate sports
ChuckyNJ
And that KC team brags about being “World Champions”. Murica, F#&k Yeah!
Bart Harley Jarvis
@ChuckyNJ,
We’re here to save the M#+£€rf#€k!ng day, yeah!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Chiefs also voted the worst team to play for in a players poll citing the skinflint owner Hunt
kcmark
The Chiefs lease their stadium from the County. Do you think a renter should pay to upgrade their apartment or should the landlord?
GASoxFan
Commercial real estate is a whole different animal. Buildouts, decorating, capital improvements and cosmetic upgrades almost always fall to the tenant.
Codeeg
Owners love having new stadiums paid for by the tax payers. Really boosts the franchises value without spending the money yourself. I think any sale should require a payback for the cost of the stadium to deter it.
dmp13
There should be like a mortgage on the franchise payable yearly or in full after sale.
danumd87 2
58-42 is always considered overwhelming in political matters. That’s a monstrous majority.
BloodySox
People who have to pay taxes for stadiums should get discounts on food and tickets
cwizzy6
The Brewers offer discounted tickets throughout the year for those that live in the areas that are effected by the sales tax. Five County Fridays, I believe its called?
mizzourah87
Sounds great in theory, but I guess only those who don’t like baseball end up paying for it which doesn’t really seem fair.
cwizzy6
Just stating that it exists, fairness aside.
cwizzy6
You new on this planet?
Wrian Washman
The cheapest, saddest, poverty franchise isn’t even the Athletics it’s the Miami Marlins. They’re valued at one billion dollars. Cry me a river and save me the cost of operation and all the people they have to pay nonsense. If I want to start a business I have to get a loan or put 100% of my own money. Billionaire owners should be no different.
desertbull
You cannot pay salaries with net worth. Even a high school accounting student knows this
Wrian Washman
Thanks for the accounting lesson however if you can’t afford a new park then guess what… You don’t get one.
desertbull
Im not advocating for them to get tax subsidies. Im saying you cant pay salaries or liabilities based on some theoretical net worth. Its takes cash.
Tigers3232
@Desert Maybe you should ve taken finance instead of accounting in high school. You can absolutely generate capital off net worth and one could pay salaries if they so choose. One can leverage assets borrowing against them, Bezos foes it all the time.
desertbull
Borrowing against equity to meet payroll. Genius idea.
Tigers3232
Actually it can be quite genius. Many businesses take out loans for various reasons. Instead of a loan from a financial institution especially now with interest rates as a high as they are, leverage assets and get a much lower rate.
And regardless if one is taking out a loan for payroll or any capital expenditure, it’s all tied together as they re all expense. So if you have to purchase inventory and pay out of revenue to cover salaries you still have a loan….. Now flip that backwards use the loan $ to pay salary and revenue to cover capital expenditures. Doesn’t change revenue. Call it whatever you want it’s still the same in the end.
desertbull
Lets pay an extra 5-8% more for salaries.
Seems legit.
Tigers3232
If a company has any loan out for anyrhing(which most do) they are ultimately paying salaries with debt whether directly or indirectly. And yes it happens very often.
When leveraging an asset they ll be paying far lower than the typical 5-8% depending on terms and length of loan. The interest is also wrote off against profits so it lessens tax burden again making that figure smaller. Also if freeing up capital through a loan(instead of just paying salaries out of revenue and taking profit) one can aquire capital expenditures which can be wrote off as cam the depreciation on said capital expenditures.
So again, maybe you should have taken that high school finance class instead of accounting….
solaris602
The Padres did it last year, and despite the many scholars who poo-pooed it as a normal business practice, guess who had to spend the winter slashing payroll. While Wriam seems to paint a simplistic picture most fans disagree with, he’s right in that if you’re an owner who cannot afford a stadium/upgrades, maybe you need to make some drastic changes or cash out sooner rather than later.
Tigers3232
Padres had to cut payroll to comply with MLBs debt-service rule. As for taking out a loan, they actually did so at a great time considering the current prime rate.
And yes taking out loans is often a very normal business practice. It provides instant operating capital and allows businesses to accomplish a number of things depending on their goals. Taking out loans is often not a necessity just a tool in doing business and tax coded are very favorable for businesses to do such things.
Now as far as owners taking tax revenue to fund stadiums I’m absolutely opposed to it. There was a time I’d say it was beneficial to draw suburbanites back to big cities in the 90’s. Most major cities in the US have long since seen resurgences in their downtown business and entertainment districts. These tax funded stadiums just are not the necessity they once were, they ve become gifts to the ultra rich.
In my opinion the only tax revenue they should receive is for infrastructure upgrades related to the new site and structure. Possibly give them a window where they get some ease on taxes they pay related to the new property and structure.
JoeBrady
And regardless if one is taking out a loan for payroll or any capital expenditure, it’s all tied together as they re all expense.
===================
Investments are not expenses. Borrowing to invest in a business, say a rental property, assumes that investment will spin off some cash. Borrowing because you don’t have enough cash to cover the payroll is generally a big problem.
Roguesaw2
This guy’s a jerk, but he’s not wrong.
Tigers3232
@Joe If you re taking out a loan and investing in your business that is profit not taken. Yes the exact purpose has different tax implications and advantages or lack thereof. But ultimately they re all part of overall financials.
And yes you are 100% correct if a business has to borrow solely to cover payroll it’s a huge problem. I’d assume in most of those cases they’d have some ugly financials and would have difficulty even trying to get a loan.
In the case of the Padres which is where this discussion stems from, they were not taking out a loan out of a desperate need to cover payroll.
I actually own a few rental properties and have borrowed against them to generate capital for or other property. Typically like to use a bit of extra depreciation those years get some of capital back quickly.
Tigers3232
@Joe Investments are not expense but they by all means have expenses and many of them are tax deductible. Which again is what I’m trying to get at, all these things tie together when you run a business.
Tigers3232
I am not blaming Reagan for this specifically. His mention was in reference to the ultra rich. CEO pay was heavily regulated prior to Reagan and The Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 is what opened the door for the skyrocketing CEO pay and limited taxation of these elites. Every POTUS since has further enabled this.
I’d say it’s mention is noteworthy as they just tried raising sales tax for next 40 years til build a stadium for 1 Billionaire and rehab the stadium of another.
So don’t worry this isn’t an attack specifically at Reagan or any GOP POTuS, this is a critical comment of every POTUS since in both parties.
Captainmike1
I have a BS in accounting and your statement is avoiding the complex issues involved
PoisonedPens
MLB paid almost $`115M/per to every team last year BEFORE revenue sharing, ticket splits, etc. So every team starts the season with $115M in the bag before it sells a single ticket or beer.
My Strawman > Your Strawman
They can open up their books and we can all take a look and fight about it then. Last time MLB clubs did this, I recall they got pretty embarrassed. I’m occasionally required to fund large (relative to my net income) capital expenditures out of my net worth; sometimes I even have to liquidate investments and pay the capital gains tax on that. So it might be palatable, but it’s certainly possible.
Fever Pitch Guy
desert – An MLB owner could always get a TELOC ….. Team Equity Line Of Credit.
Tigers3232
That’s essentially what they did. Any loan they take is gonna be based off their finacials and the companies worth.
People assume taking out a loan is always done out of necessity. Sometimes it just makes sense financially for various reasons. A few yrs ago I took out a mortgage on my home that was paid off. I’m paying 2.85% interest and now accruing decent but more at a higher return off that $.
Clofreesz
End of an era in KC?
kcmark
KC MO. Across the State Line Kansas is licking its chops to get the Chiefs. And the Royals too.
Simm
If you aren’t familiar with the area what’s considered KC City is spread out over MO/KS. As someone who has lived there the KS side is much different than the MO side. At least it was 10 or so years ago when I lived in the area.
They prob would have a lot more luck getting some tax dollars from the Kansas side.
Kc smoke
Kansas has betting $ too, if they want an unneeded stadium built put it there.
buya
Hey owners I need reno done to my home,would you pay for it?
I don’t think so you would.
coachsixstring
Ironically we already paid for renovations. We just won’t pay for the whole new house.
kcmark
They own the team not the facility. Would you pay to have the apartment you pay rent on renovated?
humphrey x boegarts
I would if I could then charge people to come visit me
Emilia
If my tax $$$ are paying for it, then I am a legal part owner. I should be able to attend any event at a discounted price
desertbull
Earth
Dustyslambchops23
42% of people voted in favor to keep the tax?
My goodness, glad it didn’t work out but sheesh.
mizzourah87
Lots of fearmongering that the teams would leave if they vote no.
case
and if you hold Patrick Mahomes’ brother accountable for his actions they’ll come poop on your restaurant!
dano62
I visited the K for the first time last year;beautiful park in the middle of nowhere. Of course MLB owners hold out their hands & a threat to get their way. But in this situation why not create other things to bring people to the Truman complex and get them to stay later? Get a commitment from city/state to supply adequate transit, create zoning for entertainment district… From downtown St Louis, I can see where giving the baseball team carte Blanche crushed downtown businesses…
coachsixstring
For 50 years they’ve talked about building up the Complex. The problem is no one ever really invested. My thing is tailgating is a real KC tradition, so if they move to a more commercialized area, we lose that. But I’m sure we’ll keep the tradition of being subpar.
Not the real Sports Pope
Kudos to the voters, most Americans wallets are pinched enough and sports teams/stadiums owned and operated by the countries wealthiest should foot the bill plain and simple.
cwizzy6
We will see if this even gets put to a vote next time. Many times constituents get the short end of the stick without the ability to voice their opinions.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Wow. I didn’t expect the Chiefs to move out of Arrowhead. Not sure when he did it but my dad put installed the stainless steel railings. At Arrowhead Stadium. I’ve never been there myself but I’ve helped with in other places. He did some really good work.
clrrogers
They’re not looking to move out of Arrowhead. They wanted the money to renovate it.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
That’s good. They should renovate it.
perennialosers
Yes, but the plan for renovation they proposed was weak.
kcmark
They’ll look now. Out near the Kansas Speedway.
User 2161944466
The Nashville Royals has a nice ring to it.
0523me
Nashville Troubadours
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Nashville Marlins. Where there is no water or Marlins. Lol
jacl
pay for your own damn stadium.
martras
Why? Other cities will pay for it.
tigerdoc616
Let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. This was a rejection of a very specific proposal and not a referendum on the love that KC has for their teams. The owners of the Royals and Chiefs should be looking at better proposals that are more amenable to the voters than looking to relocate their teams. And that is probably what they will do.
perennialosers
Agreed. Mostly because the owners whole deal was to get money from the residents, but there are massive relocation fees…which defeats the purpose of “making money.”
kcmark
Yes. On the Kansas side of the State Line.
martras
Guarantee the Royals ownership starts kicking the tires on moving at this point.
Tigers3232
It’s insane if you break down what they were really asking. They wanted residents to pay nearly a half cent on every dollar spent for the next 40 years to fund the palaces of these uber elites franchises.
Instead of asking for taxpayers to fund these things, how about they give up an ownership stake to the cities for these funds. The cities are already huge stakeholders so make them shareholders as well. With that no more trying to hold municipalities hostage demanding tax revenue and it would ensure fanbases their teams will be in place. Also any revenue brought in from the government’s stake could be earmarked for surrounding infrastructure, first responders, etc.
But ultimately we know what it comes down to money grabs.
mizzourah87
I like the idea but I don’t think it would work. Imagine having to get City Hall’s approval to sign BWJ’s extension!
Tigers3232
@Mizz The municipality would be a minority owner and have say in things such as infrastructure and all things related to the building. The actual running of the franchise and product on the field would be done by front office. Basically the Vreen Bay Packers.
Legend of Roy Halladay
America is a constitutional republic. “A constitutional republic if you can keep it”.Unfortunately a huge portion of the population eats up the legal media propaganda that was brought to you by the 2012 NDAA, Smith-Mundt modernization act courtesy of 0bama.
Mikenmn
Does this mean you are for free taxpayer money to the two KC teams, or against it?
kcmark
It’s not free. Every player (Hime and Visitor) pays a 1% earnings tax on their game check to KCMO.
cwizzy6
Lol. Wow.
Tigers3232
@Halladay and political zealots like you ignore and are oblivious to or ignore that the laws and deregulations that enabled CEOs to become super rich, led to super pacts, and ultimately our current Corporate Oligarchy started under Reagan. It has since been further solidified by every president since in both parties.
Meanwhile all the political zealots cling to hut button issues as members of both parties hob non at same galas, country clubs, marinas, etc. Then come election time started spinning the same rhetoric and hook line and sinker the political extremists who ar entrenched in party lines give up their right to vote via proxy.
But hey call yourself a patriot and cry about propaganda when you yourself gave up one of our biggest rights via proxy. I guess to be blind and naive is bliss.
AceKing
Man you are stretching blaming Reagan for this lol
Bart Harley Jarvis
Don’t even get me started about Warren G. Harding!
Waldo29
The saddest thing about all of these threatened moves across different professional leagues: it feels like there is an accepted narrative, especially pushed by the owners, that we fans should be honored they’re letting a team play in our city. It’s the other way around.
The OWNERS should be honored they have the privilege & opportunity to steward a team that means so much to people. We root for teams because of their connection to a city/region/people, not because of who owns them. I really fear what future sports look like if teams are constantly picking up and moving just to get a better tax break.
zorocoaster
Tell me you don’t follow politics without telling me you don’t follow politics.
Mikenmn
Realistically, any government needs to decide how it allocates tax dollars. Presumably it does so in a way that maximizes the benefit to its citizenry. Building stadiums is a gift of public money to private individuals. Should that money go to baseball and football owners, or to cops, firemen, teachers and schools, libraries, parks for families, sanitation, eroding infrastructure? 58% of the voters chose not to do the handouts. For now, vox populi.
Kershaw-Shank Redemption
Guess I’m crazy, but I’d gladly pay 50 cents for every $100 to get a brand new stadium and ensure my team didn’t skip town. We are now expected to tip for anything and everything for people just doing their jobs regardless of performance. 50 cents feels like a worthy tip to create a better Kansas City
cwizzy6
They already have the money they need. Dont give them more. This is money in your pocket now. If it does get taxed, it should go to to the public good, not to billionaires.
nitnontu
16 percentage point difference would be a landslide in an election, wouldn’t it?
acell10
you should take the L on this and move on
BadCo
The sad thing is all the money that these sports bring in, and they still have expectations on the public to provide? It’s nuts really
algionfriddo
Odd stat… only 2 US Presidents since FDR have managed 51%+ majority win in two separate elections.
Groucho
How ironic. I was just about to ask the Royals’ owner for some money.
James Midway
When the Chargers were in town I defended everything they did and I didn’t care what it cost the city/county. Then I learned that the Chargers didn’t own a thing. The city owned the stadium and even the practice facility. The team didn’t give a cent to stadium improvements or even their offices and practice facilities.
They wanted tax dollars to build a new stadium downtown. We said no and the NFL forced Kronk to let Spanos sleep on his couch.
They charge us an arm and a leg to go to the games, they can pay for the stadium.
etex211
Maybe they should have aimed for something other than a tax that lasts FORTY effing years.
jnorthey
Glad to see somewhere else telling billionaires to pay for their own playpen. The Jays owner just spent a fortune upgrading the stadium with no public funding. Others can do the same. No more welfare for billionaires.
PiratesFan1981
Indianapolis Royals have a nice ring to it
mad1
Nashville would love to have the Royals!! Ride out the current lease and move to Tennessee!
Manfred’s playing with the balls
Why not just expand and give Nashville a team?
KC deserves to keep the royals and chiefs, they’ve supported these teams through hard times
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Taxpayers should never have to pay for pro sports teams arenas or stadiums to be built in their county. That should be 100% on the owners. I would vote no everytime.
JoeBrady
Do you think the government is entitled to a piece of the revenue via sales tax generated by the team?
acell10
Do you that stadiums using police officers for security and rely on roads to bring people not the stadium or using emergency services when needed are entitled to said services for free?
Edp007
Just round 1 , in a few years it will be redrawn to make “everyone happy”. No one’s leaving.
There’s also no where to go but some other minor league outpost. All the pro leagues are all so saturated , already half of all the leagues teams are in minor league towns.
coachsixstring
Personally I think, especially with MLB not having salary caps or profit sharing, that any city that can support a team (pay the players to come play and keep the org afloat) should be able to have a team. BUT MLB owners have such a monopoly on their 30 teams remaining the only 30 teams, and their scared of sharing competition (aka being challenged and held accountable to compete for real) they’d rather not grow the league.
highflyballintorightfield
Over on the bball side, it was noted a few days ago that a planned Wizards move from DC to a new publicly-financed arena in Virginia was axed by the Virginia state and local governments. Perhaps sanity is returning.
ChuckyNJ
Virginia’s Republican governor supported that planned arena. The Democratic-controlled state legislature was against it.
AceKing
Have you ever been to a Wizards game? I didn’t think so
Fever Pitch Guy
Ace – I have, I saw Ozzie play a few times.
highflyballintorightfield
I thought after the Giants owner was able to build a stadium himself, governments would learn they aren’t actually required to allow themselves to be extorted. But they keep falling for it,
CardsFan57
The Cardinals did the same when building the latest Busch Stadium. The only public money was a relatively small loan. I was very happy about that. I don’t like public money being spent on entertainment and sports.
Manfred’s playing with the balls
Good for KC tax payers. MLB owners should be ashamed of holding teams for ransom. I’m glad Sherman at least admitted this is something teams are being told to do by executives
Old York
Good. Time for MLB to downsize. They don’t need a team in KC.
cwizzy6
Youll never, ever see a downsize in MLB.
ChuckyNJ
Contraction can be a wonderful thing. Nearly happened to the Minnesota Twins and Montreal Expos.
LordD99
It didn’t. That was just positioning. No chance contraction will ever happen.
coachsixstring
As a KC fan, you hate to consider it…but I literally had this thought about a month ago, MLB seems more likely to retract than expand in the future. (My thinking was Oakland and their fiasco.)
perennialosers
Seems like something the money hungry MLB owners would be okay with. Not logical from a business-competition standpoint though. You should want competition.
foppert2
I thought existing owners got to share a cut of a $2b or so new franchise fee. Hence the appetite for expansion.
Aoe3
Why not keep the existing stadium and incl future renovation money? 1973 isn’t old and as an outsider looks like a nice park. I’m glad it was brought to a democratic vote.
Niekro floater
Hello Charlotte Royals
mgomrjsurf
Orlando Royals.
coachsixstring
Most of you won’t see this because I’m late to the comments…but as someone who voted NO, I really appreciate the solidarity.
perennialosers
Hell ya
swinging wood
What’s wrong with the current stadiums that necessitates building new ones?
CardsFan57
Much of it has to do with the demand for luxury party rooms. It’s very hard to retrofit them into old stadiums.
swinging wood
That certainly doesn’t sound like a good reason for using public money.
ruthlesslyabsurd
Look at it this way – when Ronald Reagan beat Walter Mondale 525-13 in the electoral college, he “only” got 58.8% of the popular vote. That’s nevertheless a massive landslide in an election.
(If you’re curious, LBJ’s 61.1% in 1964 is the highest in modern presidential history
User 4245925809
Funny thing u mention LBJ. He said and had MANY beliefs MANY ideals that go over like a lead baloon to dem’s now, why one NEVER hears his name mentioned in mainstream media last few years. like he never existed.
A poster child of pre 1980 dem thought/belief policies the media would love to just disappear.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Excellent USE of random CAPITALIZATION. THANK you!
LongTimeFan1
@johnsilver,
60 years is long ago and the underlying assumptions in your premise are both rather inaccurate, not to mention, unnecessary. LBJ was sandwiched between an assassinated legend and the most notorious law-breaking president in U.S. history till Trump usurped him.
User 4245925809
It’d take multiple encyclopedias to write about all the illegal/shady dealings of the entire Kennedy clan. Don’t even go there regarding Trump, who I’m not exactly a defender of, but Kennedy’s (all) that is Joe and his 3 sons were anything but shiny examples of how an American politician should behave,
LongTimeFan1
I never offered an opinion on the Kennedys.. I stated that LBJ got caught between two distinctive administrations in American history.
AceKing
Yep
Silas
@longtimefan Wow that TDS is a real issue for you I see. Laughable
User 3180623956
LBJ was a scumbag warmonger like the rest of the military industrial complex puppets that came before and after him.
Bucsfan4ever
The Royals’ stadium may be on the old side when compared to other stadiums but it is still a jewel of a stadium. I have been to the stadium many times and I would hate to see it replaced. Just renovate it some if the team owner wants to and let him pay for it. I have never been to Arrowhead as I could not care less about football but I would think the Chiefs ownership has more than enough money to pay for any renovations that they want. They will make it back in no time.
Fred Lingenfelser
Whether it’s oil or green energy or stadiums, there are way too many subsidies being given out to everyone. Give out loans…not free cash.
Blue Baron
@Fred Lingenfelser: Sure, eliminate Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, and Medicare.
That’ll show all those d*amn socialists!
AceKing
That would be great, actually.
Blue Baron
Great for whom?
Blue Baron
Maybe the Chiefs will move back to Dallas.
As for the Royals, they would be a natural fit in Montreal with that name, or they could follow the Athletics’ footsteps west. I hear there will soon be an empty stadium in Oakland.
Niekro floater
Montreal Royales
Candlestoked
les royals invincibles!
Ga
What? No free cash from the taxpayers for a few rich guys? You mean no more Socialism for the rich? Hmm. Could it be that all those people screaming about the dangers of socialism finally realized that they have been giving rich guy blackmailers free cash for decades. Finally it has dawned on people that if they are going to pay for teams they need to OWN the teams they pay for. No more socialism for a few rich guys (and they are all guys). Taxpayers pay for stadiums when they — fans, cities, regions — OWN the teams. Just like the Packers, the O’s used to be, and endless soccer teams. Down with the Blackmailing Oligarchs of Baseball!
Candlestoked
Tax breaks for the very wealthy is not socialism for anybody. It’s the opposite, in fact.
MFP09
As a Detroiter, I don’t think we’ve ever turned down footing the bill for a stadium. Like KC, our stadiums are all located downtown in a single district, and after years of them being scattered throughout the suburbs as they were in the past, I couldn’t imagine losing that dynamic. Hopefully they come to a resolution and keep their teams downtown.
CKinSTL
I’ve only been a few times but KC’s situation is kind of strange. The stadiums are not downtown or anywhere near downtown. You have the stadiums, surrounded by acres of parking lots, right in the middle of an industrial area. They are pretty much on an island.
Kauffman Stadium is really nice though! I enjoyed my visits there.
MPrck
Thank God sanity prevails.
Skell 2
Smart voters. A professional sports team tax might be the most diabolical thing I’ve ever heard. Insanity
la verdad
Move the Chiefs to St.Louis and the Royals to San Antonio.
waldfee
Still, 42% in favor of subsidizing multi-billionaires with the peons’ hard-earned tax money, while public facilities and infrastructure rot. Unreal. U.S. Americans have been cucked by their oligarchs beyond the point of redemption.
CarolinaCubsandKush
No free handouts in the form of tax subsidies for billionaires. They can’t give them out, they shouldn’t receive them. Well done, voters.
deadmanonleave
It tickles the life out of me over here in Europe that billionaires expect taxpayers to build their stadiums in the States. The bloke who has just bought into Manchester United is getting laughed at for suggesting some subsidies and rightly so.
Bart Harley Jarvis
@deadmanonleave,
Cor blimey Guv, talk about a warped sense of humour. Are you attempting to get our collective knickers in a twist?
Garywally57
Millions of people are suffering and living paycheck to paycheck. The cost of living has skyrocketed in the last 3 years and these billionaire owners want taxpayers to pay for their new stadium. Good for the voters!
JimOToole
Wouldn’t the Royals’ situation improve if the Chiefs moved across the state line and Arrowhead Stadium was replaced by a ballpark entertainment district for the Royals?
WestVillageTiger
Great place to be debating a minimum wage guys 😉
More to the point, MLB is in trouble because billionaire owners “priced in” seemingly endless TV revenues and bottomless public funds into their profit calculations, not taking into account (a) technological change and (b) long term changes to the general economy.
Great reasons to not trust or admire billionaires…
WestVillageTiger
…IOW They’ve been playing you for chumps and now they’re shocked shocked shocked that you’re are noticing and that you might not be happy!
Candlestoked
Big swing and a miss on the sales tax con!
gbs42
I would love for this to be the beginning of the end of the public paying for sports stadiums. However, as was done in Minnesota years ago, I’m sure the legislature will take away the voting power of the public and allow the grifter politicians to fund these billionaires’ venues in exchange for campaign donations.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
The fact that 40% of the taxpayers voted a yes please to increase their taxes is mind boggling. We already pay probably 3 times more tax across the board than should ever be required.
Birdieman2
Good!
Oldguy58
Hey Illinois pay attention to this. Your greedy obnoxious cheap billionaire owner of the White Sox wants the state of Illinois to build him a second ballpark even though $50 million is still owed on their current failure of a park. It’s all a “look how powerful I am” thing with the odds being he won’t be around to see it’s completion
Rays in the Bay
Every sports owner expects the state/city/people to pay for a stadium the team will use the majority of the year with the odd concert or event sprinkled in. Even the Chiefs just won their 3rd Superbowl and people won’t pony up. I hope this is a trend in all sports. But hey, remember they can just move the team to Vegas!
martras
Apparently, the Athletics moving didn’t strike a chord with Kansas City. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if the Royals ownership started courting cities in other states with more viable markets.