11:20am: Lindsey Adler of the Wall Street Journal reports that the A’s will not have a city associated with their name for the next three seasons. Rather than the “Sacramento Athletics,” they’ll just be referred to as the Athletics or the A’s, with no city designation.
11:05am: The Chronicle’s Eli M. Rosenberg reports that the City of Oakland’s final offer to the A’s was a three-year, $60MM lease of the Coliseum (X thread). That’s a notable step down from the previous $97MM price point but still apparently didn’t move the needle for Fisher and Athletics ownership.
10:12am: The 2024 season is officially the Athletics’ last year in Oakland. The team announced this morning that they’ll spend the 2025-27 seasons playing their home games in Sacramento’s Sutter Health Park ahead of their planned 2028 move to Las Vegas. There’s an option on the agreement for the A’s to spend a fourth year in Sacramento, presumably in the event that the construction of their new Las Vegas stadium is not completed on time.
Sutter Health Park is home to the Sacramento River Cats — the Giants’ Triple-A affiliate. It seems the two teams will share the stadium for at least the next three seasons — or at least that such an arrangement is under consideration. The press release announcing the Sacramento decision states: “Not only will fans be able to experience Major League Baseball in West Sacramento, but they will also still get to enjoy the beloved tradition of Minor League Baseball and the Sacramento River Cats.”
However, that’s not necessarily set in stone. John Shea, Susan Slusser and Steve Kroner of the San Francisco Chronicle report that the A’s and River Cats sharing Sutter Health Park is “one option.” The Chronicle trio further reports that there’s also been some consideration that the River Cats could play home games across multiple sites, including the Coliseum and the Giants’ Oracle Park.
River Cats president Chip Maxon told KCRA 3’s Michelle Dapper last week: “We are Sacramento’s team, we’re not going anywhere. If someone else were to play here, we’ve made it clear we want to play all 75 home games for the River Cats for the foreseeable future.”
Maxon’s comments notwithstanding, the NBA’s Sacramento Kings are the majority owner of the River Cats. Kings president and CEO Vivek Ranadivé issued the following statement:
“I’m thrilled to welcome the A’s to Sutter Health Park, where players and fans alike can enjoy a world-class baseball experience and create other unforgettable memories. Today marks the next chapter of professional sports in Sacramento. The passion of our fans is second to none, and this is an incredible opportunity to showcase one of the most dynamic and vibrant markets in the country.”
Said A’s owner John Fisher:
“We look forward to making Sutter Health Park our home through our move to Las Vegas. We extend our appreciation to the Kings and the City of West Sacramento for hosting the A’s while we work to complete our new ballpark in Las Vegas.”
There are, as one would expect, some logistical hurdles that need to be cleared. Sutter Health Park’s capacity is just over 14,000; it’s well smaller than the size of a standard big league stadium. While that invites plenty of jokes about the Athletics’ attendance, concerns regarding the size of the stadium extend beyond its sheer seating capacity. A’s players voiced concerns to the Chronicle about the size of the clubhouse and training room, the standards of the batting cages, and the lights at a Triple-A stadium. Right-hander Paul Blackburn also noted the location of the clubhouses, which are beyond the outfield wall as opposed to the MLB standard of being connected to the dugouts, as another issue.
On top of the facility itself, the A’s will need to sort through television broadcast specifics with NBC Sports California. Shea, Slusser and Kroner report that the A’s made $67MM from their television contract last year but will likely revise that deal and receive less revenue now. However, the move to Sacramento allows the A’s to avoid the City of Oakland’s proposed $97MM fee for the extension of the current Coliseum lease. It also allows Fisher to retain a 50% stake in the Coliseum property itself.
Suffice it to say, there are ample hurdles yet to be cleared and plenty of unknowns to be determined. As The Athletic’s Melissa Lockard points out, the fact that the A’s are endeavoring to play their home games in West Sacramento — rather than at their own Triple-A stadium in Las Vegas — speaks to the difficulties of making an arrangement like this work for all parties involved. That the A’s are even announcing this despite ostensibly not having a concrete plan outlined for where the River Cats will play only adds to the disjointed and disorganized feeling that has been emblematic of their entire relocation saga.
Guard the Vogt
It’s fitting there going to a minor league stadium… Still won’t sell out
towinagain
See the San Diego, I mean Carson, I mean LA Chargers as to how the As situation is playing out.
Has Fisher been talking to Spanos?
Feels like Deja vu.
Len Clements
Speaking of deja vu, I recently had an old friend call to tell me he was homeless and needed a place to crash for awhile until he could get his own place. So yeah, I’m feeling it, too.
SonnySteele
Is he crashing at your place?
Lonniemac
Yes, I also want to know .
bkbk
Did you kiss?
Not a clever name
Did you say “let me go ask my wife” then come out the house and he could see it on your face, he knew that was no. Then you said “ I don’t know man ah she kinda funny you know” and he said “I know everybody funny, now you funny too”?
Anonymous Cow
May Gd bless the Delaware Destroyers
davemlaw
I’ve been saying and I’ll say it again:
This explains the Stripling trade.
There was no reason for the A’s to take on Stripling unless there was a wink-wink agreement in place between A’s and SFG ownership.
Hopefully, the A’s owe more than just taking on a bad contract, I’d love to get some of their top prospects later.
geg42
The A’s have only drawn between 3500 and 6600 fans so far at home. Opening day was only 13,500 so they still wouldn’t sell out the 14k seat park in west sactown.
Different fans in the Sacramento metro but still not promising.
geg42
Actually, there was a “boycott “ protest on opening day where A’s fans tailgated on opening day but didn’t do to the game. #weirdflex
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Sacramento fans are hungry for major league baseball. If you build it, they will come the first year. Maybe years two and three as well.
I am very excited!
its_happening
Sacramento hasn’t been hungry for AAA baseball. You should already know this.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The teams that play against the A’s are the best in the world.
i like al conin
Manny’s right, Sacramento will embrace the A’s like they have the Kings, notwithstanding their likely record. Keep in mind Sacramento is the nation’s 20th largest media market in a large region. The fan base is there.
its_happening
Conin, Sacramento is around 25th in total and average attendance amongst other MILB teams. Not Top 3, or Top 5 or Top 10. That’s not embracing baseball. They fill half the stadium. That’s not supportive.
BlueSkies_LA
Isn’t this at least a little like embracing a girlfriend who has already promised to leave you for someone else?
JoeBrady
embracing a girlfriend who has already promised to leave you for someone else?
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Probably, even though the way I’d express it is that you are dating Bo Derek, even though you know she’ll leave in three years.
But you’ll have a pretty good three years.
BlueSkies_LA
I’m gonna say that the A’s don’t have much on Bo Derek, even at close to 70. 😉
Pads Fans
Average attendance for the Rivercats was 5177. Their attendance ranked 32nd in MiLB, 22nd in AAA. The fans don’t come out for the team that is there now. They won’t come out for a team they know is absolutely leaving in 3 years.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
BlueSkies
Nope, this is liking having a Wing-Girl who introduces you to all the hotties, the ones with looks, brains and a job, the Cubs, Dodgers, Pirates, Giants (I have an affinity for NL teams), Atlanta, Phillies, Astros, Rangers, Yankees, Orioles.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
It is totally different. It is MLB baseball. The fans for the road team have opportunities of a lifetime.
case
They’ll be Sacramento’s booty call for 3 years, but they’re also really terrible in bed.
JoeBrady
A’s don’t have much on Bo Derek, even at close to 70.
=========================
I knew that was coming, and actually felt bad about the comparison. But there will be some people that will show up just to watch one of the other Cali teams.
BlueSkies_LA
Hey Manny, enough with the fantasies!
foppert2
I’m going a solid little number has found herself a temporary arrangement with a sugar daddy. She gets to make old boy happy, and keep the not as financially endowed current boyfriend. Lives the life, makes a few contacts and sets herself up for a future, more permanent arrangement with another billionaire.
64' Yanks
I beg to disagree as Sacramento had the Solons for so many years. Bob Lemons was our manager at Old Hughes Stadium. They sold out too.
Dan oleson
No way is Fisher’s bargain bin team a Bo Derek… try Nell Carter.
Arnold Ziffel
When the A’s had River Cats they were a top 5 AAA draw, SF could care less about AAA team and don’t draw.
websoulsurfer
The last time the Rivercats were a top 5 in AAA attendance was in 2008 which I believe is the year Art Savage passed away. They became the Giants AAA team in 2015 and attendance actually went up the first two years they were a Giants farm club.
JazzJazz
Manny: Well, they’re the best collections of young, desperate, controllable Hispanic players in the world, at least.
Arnold Ziffel
They did till they affiliated with Giants
BPax
geg42, there’s a distinct possibility that they’ll sell out often. Sacramento baseball fans will get to see big league baseball for a few seasons. Many will be thrilled. It will be interesting to see.
thornt25
This isn’t a great situation for the A’s, but fans in Sacramento will be motivated to show that they’re capable of supporting an expansion team. That’s better than 3+ years of “Sell!” chants, boycott protests, and hostile meetings with Oakland’s political leadership.
BaseballisLife
The Rivercats have never drawn 14k fans. They average around 5k most years. Its not a high drawing team, I think someone said 20th or lower each year in AAA, and after the novelty of seeing actual MLB teams like the Rangers, Mariners, Astros, and Angels wears off I would expect A’s attendance to be about what the Rivercats attendance has been historically.
All of that is premature because the union has not approved the site yet. You would think that Fisher or Manfred would have reached out the union before announcing the move, but as of this morning it was being reported that has not happened yet.
Pads Fans
My wife and I were in Sacramento for their home opener against the Chihuahuas last season and the attendance was only 9500. The next day it was 2500.
letsgooakland123
Sounds like a great place to watch Aaron Judge hit homers against the Triple-A’s!
“…whether they be Athletics players or Aaron Judge and others launch home runs out of this very intimate, the most intimate ballpark in all of Major League Baseball, for the next three years.”
– real quote from John Fisher
SportsFan0000
A’s Owner Fisher (the unqualified MLB Owner who got control
of the A’s because of college fraternity relationships with Lew Wolfe and Bud Selig) once again takes the award as the WORST MLB OWNER
worse than former Dodgers Owner Frank McCourt.
Playing A’s games in Sacramento breaches the A’s SF Bay Area TV contract
and LOSES 60-70M per year in revenues = 180M- 210M in lost TV revenues
for the A’s and MLB.
Sacramento IS NOT IN THE SF BAY AREA.
Fisher will have to renegotiate.
A’s will be lucky to get a 5-10 M per year contract playing in
West Sacramento.
case
He’ll still make money but as angry as I am with the situation, this is kind of amusing. NFL and NBA would never let things get this embarrassing (extended stay in a sad minor league stadium for a professional team, angry players, historically terrible roster lineup). Manfred and the executive ownership let it come to this, now we’ll have a stark visual representation of baseball’s downward spiral as “America’s pastime”.
SportsFan0000
At some point, they are going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg the baseball fans with these kinds of stupid actions.
its_happening
At some point people need to support a baseball team. Bad owners in other cities have a strong fanbase. Oakland does not. Place the blame where it should be, for once fanoooo.
JoeBrady
Bad owners in other cities have a strong fanbase.
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There are some bad owners, just like every other sport. But most of the “bad owner” BS is simply small market teams trying to cycle in and out of be good.
kje76
At least on the stadium front, the NFL absolutely did have a similar situation with the Chargers, who moved from San Diego to a temporary stadium in Carson, CA for three years that was half the seats as the rest of the league.
Angry players? The Arizona Cardinals actually charge players to eat at the team cafeteria. The Bengals apparently don’t have any facilities for player families. Unfortunately, that sort of thing pops up.
SportsFan0000
SF Bay Area fans supported the A’s when they had good, competent ownership that spent team revenues on the players and on putting a playoffs competitive team on the field.
(Walter Haas Jr Levis).
At some point, MLB has to step in and force incompetent, underfunded ownership to sell the A’s team to an Ownership group financially capable of keeping its great young talent, extending their contracts, signing some free agents, spending money on marketing, advertising and promotions and more.
In areas of the country like California where there are so many other entertainment options, rolling out teams with AAAA rosters
full of players acquired in “fire sale” trades every 3-4 years
is not going to get fans to spend hundreds of dollars per family (and up to thousands per family) per game to see meaningless games.
SportsFan0000
Chargers had a very loyal fan base that sold out its games and loyally supported that team for over 30 years.
NFL loved staging Super Bowls in San Diego.
Greed and extortion of “corporate welfare” from taxpayer funds for marginal owners with inherited wealth who did not make the money they are spending and did not/would not put a winning team on the field and felt “entitled/expect billion dollars+ team subsidies from taxpayers just won’t cut it for most smart cities/regions/fan bases.
They have plenty of $$$$.
They are just not suckers who give it away
to losing teams and/or businesspersons/owners in over their heads who cannot run a successful and profitable professional sports franchise.
Kansas City Fans just overwhelmingly rejected a sales tax
increase to fund a New stadium for the Royals and major upgrades for Arrowhead field for the NFL Champion Chiefs.
So, it is not Oakland OR CA that is the problem.
Smart taxpayers and pro sports fans nationwide
are rejecting this kind of “corporate welfare”
for wealthy pro sports team owners,
greg1
To be fair, their roster is Minor League quality, so they should fit there nicely.
Seriously though, way to endear yourselves to your new fan base by not using their city’s name.
Arnold Ziffel
Actually they will fill that park in Sac most nights. When I lived in Sac, the River Cats sold out many night and were a top minor league draw.
yeah, sure!
even more fitting that their minor league affiliate may be *swapping places* with them by playing in Oakland.
Imagine the reverse-protest for an Oakland River Cats game?
SportsFan0000
Nevada Supreme Court set to block public funding for A’s stadium on the LV strip.
Bally’s is all leveraged out so it cannot pick up the slack for A’s stadium in LV.
Fenway 1
Too much seats in the stadium for them
dezpoo
I think there’s actually only 10k seats and like 4k are on the grassy area LOL
Arnold Ziffel
Having sat on the grass there, 4000 fans out there will resemble a large can of sardines only more crowded. They could put in temp seats and get it close to 20k without much effort.
DarkSide830
I like it. MLB can use it as a test of Sacramento as a potential expansion market in the future.
User 2079935927
@Dark Sooooooo if they sell out a 6K seat ballpark that qualifies as a potential market ??? Wow.
frontdeskmike
It would be a test to see if there are enough sponsors to support another team.
copper ridge
Oakland is still in California. As long as the regulations are still ridiculous and taxes so high, no more comes in.
NYCityRiddler
Sacramento has enough problem as is, the LAST thing they need is to be associated with the A’s.“ Yea, we’ll take the dough but you’re the A’s, period. You got that!? Ahahaha!
SportsFan0000
Many new sports stadiums have been built in California in recent years mostly with private financing, cash and credit from the private business owners who own the private business sports franchises:
Warriors (Chase Field)
Rams and Chargers (SOFI Stadium)
Clippers (Intuit Dome)
49ers (Levis Stadium Santa Clara, CA)
Mostly private financing
Smaller public contribution
(Offer was made to Raiders to share Levis stadium)
Petco Park San Diego (Padres)
Private/Public partnership on financing
Might want to Fact Check before you post ridiculous statements,
deathby9
Don’t quite understand the implication here but in the past 10 years here are the teams that have built stadiums/arenas in California: Rams, Niners, Sac Kings, LA Clippers, GS Warriors.
Beyond that, here are teams that have built stadiums/arenas in California in the past 30 years: Padres, Lakers, SF Giants.
California does have taxes/regulations but it seems every competent group that wanted a stadium got a stadium.
SportsFan0000
It just proves that Fisher and Manfred were negotiating with Oakland Officials in “bad faith”.
Dean Spanos 2.0.(Chargers)
(Decision was made long ago, but they just had the City Officials “jump through the hoops” to make it look like there was a chance for a deal, but they never intended to close a deal with Oakland),
Pads Fans
Sacramento is still in California. In fact, its the state capital, You know, the place the people that MAKE the regulations work at.
Oh, and California is not in the top 7 in overall tax burden in the US.
Pads Fans
death, you said the key word, competent. Fisher has shown he is not competent.
niched
The reason teams could leave California is because it isn’t socialist, meaning California governments won’t pay for ballparks.
refereemn77
I mean, it’s awful to be in the largest economy in America and the fifth largest in the world…
SportsFan0000
CA is passing Germany as the 4th largest and richest economy in the World.
Fisher, Manfred and Selig have completely messed up
the A’s deal and cost MLB tons of money and revenues.
User 401527550
Well the tax foundation would disagree with you. You are ranked 5th with an overall average tax burden of 13.5% per capita.
CleaverGreene
Leave it to a Mets fan to throw out a negative just to make himself feel better.
User 401527550
Huh? How does it make me feel better because Californians pay a lot of taxes? I don’t wish that on anyone.
Pads Fans
Wrong as usual Mets. MAXIMUM state income tax is 13%. Average tax burden was 10.4%.
NYC is higher on both.
SportsFan0000
The NBA’s Kings moved from KC to Sacramento.
More teams could go to CA in the near future.
SportsFan0000
The Houston Chronicle did an analysis comparing taxes in Texas and CA.
Texas has no State income tax.
But, the Houston Chronicle found out that the average Texan pays more taxes than the average Californian’
since Texas has a higher property tax rate and Texas loads on the junk fees nickeling and diming residents to death.
Nothing is free.
User 401527550
Now you are changing your argument to comparing California to NYC. Your original statement was California was not top 5 in state taxes. I called your BS and your comment is to say a city pays more taxes. I don’t live in either NY or California and using one or the other to defend your argument just proves how lost you are on the subject as both states pay ridiculous taxes. You do realize tax burden goes well beyond income taxes and the 13% top income tax isn’t a limit on the total taxes you pay in the state?
websoulsurfer
You are quoting tax burden for 2024 when we are 3 months into the year? California was 8th in total tax burden in 2023.
User 401527550
It’s 2024, they are using actual current data. Why do you all religiously try to twist facts to try make something not true be true. It’s not hard. Go on taxfoundation.org and look it up. The agency in Washington DC that actually tracts this for a living.
JoeBrady
Sooooooo if they sell out a 6K seat ballpark that qualifies as a potential market ?
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Sure it is a qualifying factor. When teams plans for expansion, they don’t have a magic 8 ball telling them what future attendance will look like, They take snippets of information. If they sell 6,000 tickets a game for a bad team that is not really there’s, that is a very good sign.
User 2079935927
Does the word “Novelty” work for you?
Bart Harley Jarvis
No, but ‘Sooooooo’ is a heck of a lot of fun. Good one!
Lanidrac
14K, not 6K.
Pads Fans
10k seats. The grass area can fit up to 4k.
letsgooakland123
Kaval says premium seating, “upgraded seating”, and seat expansion are possible.
However the grass berm will stay – he’s talking about the experience as being “unique” and “intimate.”
I bet they can fit another 2-3k seats, for a 16-17k total capacity.
I don’t think they’ll sell out that number for three years in a row.
Pads Fans
Is Kaval and Fisher going to cough up the money? Ranadive said that any expenses related to stadium upgrades would be Fisher’s responsibility.
No way are the Rivercats going to ever draw enough to make expanding the stadium seating worthwhile. They couldn’t sell out their home opener last season.
Arnold Ziffel
Jacalyn s right about being intimate on berm if they try to pack 4K people on it, 1K would be reasonable.
Codeeg
Should’ve went into Nashville where there’s an untapped market.
hiflew
Travel would have been an issue. I know there are fewer divisional games than before, but still it is better to keep divisional opponents somewhat close. Although I guess Nashville is closer to Houston and Texas. I don’t know. I think MLB just needs to realign divisions again after adding a coupe of teams.
'Tang It
They Want that for expansion. Not for this garbage team
dasit
garbage owner
team would have been fine if fisher went away
DeferredFan
They would have lost the $70 million a year they get for TV rights. They still might lose some of that, but it’s telling that the Kings are on the same NBC cable network that televises the A’s, Giants, and Warriors games (albeit for Sac).
ChuckyNJ
Same owner but 2 different channels.
NBC Sports Bay Area = San Francisco Giants, Golden State Warriors.
NBC Sports California = Oakland Athletics, Sacramento Kings, San Jose Sharks.
As always, regional restrictions apply.
Pads Fans
They still lose the $70 million per year contract with NBC Sports Bay Area.
NBCSA may negotiate a new deal, but they have already said that it won’t be anywhere close to $70 million per year. Estimates are 20% of the current deal.
The reason why is Sacramento is the 20th largest market while the Bay Area is the 10th largest. .
thornt25
Where do you get this estimate? You’re saying that the A’s decided to lose $56m in TV revenue to avoid paying a $20m/year lease?
thornt25
Oakland’s mayor must have been working under this assumption when she asked for $35m/year for the lease. The A’s didn’t even counteroffer when she lowered it to $20m. Oops.
SportsFan0000
PadsFans TV revenue numbers are correct.
A’s void their contract playing in Sacramento.
Sacramento is not in SF Bay Area.
Fisher/Manfred just keep finding new, creative ways to lose money.
Pads Fans
Yes. The A’s decided to lose a $67 million per year TV deal with NO guarantee that NBCSA would renegotiate a new deal and knowing that it would be about 20% of their current deal IF NBCSA decides to renegotiate. That is NOT a sure thing because the A’s will only be in Sacramento for 3 years. The estimate was on this website and came from multiple sources including Maury Brown and Sports Business Journal whose articles were mentioned and linked to on The Athletic
So yeah, Fisher is an idiot. Is that news to you? .
Pads Fans
Thao asked for $19.4 million per year over 5 years with an opt out after 3 years initially and RAISED it to $20 million for just 3 years.
The A’s never negotiated in good faith with Oakland. They haven’t throughout the stadium process. Fisher and Kaval have lied at every step.
The A’s already had an agreement with Sacramento weeks ago. How do I know that? They had signage up at the announcement presser at 7:00am that takes weeks to produce. You don’t do it in a few hours or even a few days. So Fisher lied. Kaval lied. Its what those two do.
SportsFan0000
Not news to me.
Been following that dysfunctional situation for quite a while,
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Presumably this deal allows them to renegoiate their cable deal for a little less rather than losing it all. That has always been a potential selling point to me. But I do not see Sacramento getting its own permnent team, the Giants would fight that tooth and nail. Here, I figured that Giants lose a little for three years, but gain thereafter.
SportsFan0000
A’s /Fisher/MLB Breach their SF Bay Area TV deal ‘
worth 60-70M per year if they play in Sacramento.
(Sacramento IS NOT IN SF BAY AREA).
I doubt they would get 10-20 M per year for TV playing games in Sacramento.
Pads Fans
NBC Sports has already said that moving voids the contract. If they had moved permanently to Sacramento, I think they might have gotten a deal that was half or a little less since the market is half the size of the Bay Area, but moving for 3 seasons into a minor league park is not going to equal a contract of more than 20% of what they were getting in the Bay Area.
What do the Giants gain from this?
CleaverGreene
I beg to differ the Nashville market is Atlanta and Cincy with a large contingent of retired folks loyal to their original baseball teams. Ask Tampa and Miami about the problem.
James Midway
There will never be a new team in California
unpaidobserver
While the Giants control local politics I think youre right.
Highwaymenace
The Giants don’t control local politics. In fact, being a sports team makes them the antithesis of the local politics. The giants have territorial rights, the same as every other team in baseball. This is not political, or in any way shape or form politics. It’s basic business.
People want to hate on the A’s, but they have the worst fans in MLB, possibly all of sports. I’d be leaving that communist hell hole as well.
unpaidobserver
They control the Chronicle, which has systematically turned public opinion against the A’s in Oakland and also is now pretending to be sad that they are leaving; they were behind the groups that opposed the Laney College plan; they refuse to let the A’s build a stadium in downtown San Jose. Yes, the Giants are responsible for the A’s leaving town, but that’s understandable. They are the ones with the most to gain.
DeferredFan
LOL. Not a communist hellhole just a bunch of fans that have been maligned by idiots like you for 30 years while the ownership refuses to pony up to get any real major-league talent.
Lanidrac
Fisher is still the most responsible for the move. He backed out of his obligations to properly maintain the Colisseum, put the Major League payroll on a shoe-string budget, and turned down the perfectly acceptable plan for a new ballpark in Oakland.
SportsFan0000
So many false and misleading statements and so little time.
Do you work for the SF Giants of MLB?!
It sure reads like it.
NY, LA, Chicago all have 2 MLB teams that
share their cities territory 50/50.
Giants/A’s shared their territory 50/50 for 30+ years.
A’s former Owner Walter Haas Jr LOANED PART OF THE A’s territory to his MLB business rival and competitor the SF Giants to save their bacon and business and keep the Giants in SF Bay Area when the moving vans were already packed/loaded for Tampa in the 1990’s after
wealthy Tampa investors had purchased the Giants and were intent on moving the Giants to Tampa.
A’s helped Giants survive and thrive in SF Bay Area, joined with the O’Malley’s to block the Giants move, even helped line up local SF Bay Area well funded, new ownership to keep the Giants in SF Bay Area.
Giants reneged on promise to return the A’s 50% of their territory of Santa Clara County/Silicon Valley back to the A’s after the Giants moved out of an even bigger dump than the Coliseum, Candlestick Park.
Candlestick Park made the Oakland Coliseum look like Camden Yards or the Sky dome.
The SF Giants actively blocked New A’s stadiums in the SF Bay Area, Reneged on agreement to return the A’s 50% of their Silicon Valley territory, lied in the Media and BACKSTABBED THE A’s. TRUE GIANTS FANS WOULD BOYCOTT THE SF GIANTS FOR THEIR TREACHERY AND BACKSTABBING.
hiflew
There is NOTHING 50-50 about New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago. New York is a Yankees city that the Mets also play in. Los Angeles is a Dodgers city that the Angels are somewhat a part of. Chicago is a Cubs town and probably 80% of the residents don’t even acknowledge the existence of the White Sox.
deathby9
They’re not talking about percentage of fandom. They’re talking about the split of the shared territory. And SportsFan0000 is correct in that the bay area territory was not evenly split. A’s were given Alameda and Contra Costa county, the Giants? Everything else. This limits where you can promote or have team stores as well as where one can build a ballpark.
refereemn77
There’s Cubs Fans and South Siders. Don’t even call them White Sox Fans!
CleaverGreene
Uneducated baseball fans make the worst comments.
SportsFan0000
The point was that the Territories in 2 team cities are shared by the 2 MLB teams in an equitable manner that benefits both teams.
That was not the case in the SF Bay Area with the Giants and A’s.
The SF Giants were given preferential treatment over the A’s.
If that was not the case, then the A’s would be playing like 10-20 years ago in San Jose or Santa Clara like the 49ers,
Arnold Ziffel
A few years back the A’s were set to build a new stadium in San Jose, but Giants blocked it. Giants are thrilled they are leaving, just another reason to hate SF, its politics, and its sports teams. Be sure and watch where you step there.
Lanidrac
Even without the A’s, California still already has at least double the teams of any other state.
SportsFan0000
You must be terrible investing in stocks.
San Diego is building a New Sports Arena
without a professional team
with a private investment team involved.
Rams Owner Stan Kroenke who built SOFI Stadium with his own cash and credit likes the SD Arena so much that he has joined as “lead investor”.sportspromedia.com/news/san-diego-sports-arena-pro…
hiflew
Doesn’t always work though. Tampa / St. Pete built their stadium in 1990 in hopes of luring a team there and got close to getting the White Sox and the Giants at different times, but didn’t really get one until 1998. And by the time the team became relevant a decade later, the stadium was already outdated.
SportsFan0000
It is a new Sports Arena that will thrive with concerts and other activities.
With Stan Kroenek involved and his connections, I would not be surprised to see an NBA expansion team in San Diego
(and Seattle),.
SportsFan0000
Big difference with the New San Diego Sports Arena.
It will be viable and profitable without with other concerts and major activities and without a major sports team
like NBA or NHL.
A major sports team would just be the cherry on the top and not really needed, but it would be nice for them if it happened.
thornt25
It’s a win-win for everyone.
case
Sacramento is a great baseball town but the surrounding area isn’t particularly populous, at least by California’s standards.
DarkSide830
The principle applies for a lot of other expansion locations too. My bet would be the next two teams would be in Oakland and Nashville, but trying doesn’t hurt.
hiflew
I doubt Oakland will get another bite at the apple after the horribly dragged out stadium issues. MLB would probably just want a fresh start somewhere else. Portland or Salt Lake City would probably get the nod over Oakland.
Personally I would love for Portland and Salt Lake City get teams just so when they realign it would get the Rockies out of the West division and give them a reasonable geographic rival.
LAD, SF, SD, AZ – NL West
LAA, LV, SEA, POR? – AL West.
HOU, TEX, KC, MIN – AL Central
STL CHC, COL, SLC? – NL Central
NickTheDev
Any bets on if they go by “Sacramento Athletics” for those 3 years just to not use that dreaded Oakland word sooner?
hiflew
Well the Expos still went by “Montreal Expos” the year they played in San Juan. But that was just one year. I don’t know if you would want to go to the trouble of making a new brand just for three years.
Rsox
The Expos played 22 games in San Juan in 2003, that hardly constitutes a year.
Not sure how the A’s plan to address the logistics however i could definitely see them changing the road jerseys to say “Athletics” instead of “Oakland” i suppose they could just be known as the “A’s” for tv/scoreboard purposes. They could just take a page from Arte Moreno and call themselves the “Oakland Athletics of Sacramento”
SportsFan0000
HOW ABOUT MANFRED’s and SELIG’S
UNQUALIFIED FOR MLB OWNERSHIP COLLEGE FRATERNITY BROTHERS (WOLFE/FISHER)
“MLB THE MOVIE”
ARTIFICALLY CREATED MONEYPIT FOR MLB OWNERS ?!
Codeeg
The Oakland athletics of Sacramento
AgeeHarrelsonJones
The Athletics, formerly of Philadelphia, Kansas City and Oakland
unpaidobserver
The Sacramental Athletics of Oakland
Al Hirschen
California A’s
unpaidobserver
Angels fans having a conniption in 3,2,1…
M.C.Homer
Nope. Been the LA Angels since 1902.
The California thing was just a blip in the team history back when Orange county was still primarily farms
Clayton Russell
Yeah, that’s not true. The LA angels of 1902 were a minor league team. The current angels were an expansion team from 1961 who moved to Anaheim and changed their name to the California angels in 1966 and have been there ever since. They changed their name to the LA angels of Anaheim about 20 years ago and have been subject to the curse of the ridiculous team name ever since.
Lanidrac
Actually, this is only the 24th year they’ve been the Los Angeles Angels (of Anaheim or not), 1961-64, 2005-Present.
They were the California Angels for 32 years (1965-1996), as well as the Anaheim Angels for 8 years (1997-2004).
Plus, they were the California Angels when they were featured in the 90s version of the movie “Angels in the Outfield.”
Arnold Ziffel
Funny that the only year Angels won it all was when they were the Anaheim Angels.
M.C.Homer
Absolutely not true.
The LA Angels were a PCL team.
The PCL was a professional League.
It featured players such as Joe DiMaggio and Ted Williams. Perhaps you’ve heard of them? The modern version of the PCL League is indeed minor leagues, agreed, but was not back then.
And the LA Angels were never ever a minor league team. A few of the PCL Angel players were on the original MLB team in 1961.
scottn59c
The Excrementos
gilgunderson
The Itinerant A’s
case
The Las Vegas Real Estate Scams.
SportsFan0000
The Fisher “shakedown” artists.
njbirdsfan
I could absolutely see Fisher being that petty.
A'sfaninLondonUK
Sweet. Problem solved for me. I’ll never spend another penny on the A’s with Fisher (the c***) in charge. I’ll finish on 31 parks (including London) and enjoy the best players at the best parks..
hiflew
No offense, but I really don’t think that will affect Fisher at all. The A’s will get a ton of fans in Vegas as soon as they start winning. It was only a little more than a decade ago that Astros fans railed against the team for not trying and basically being forced out of the NL. People vowed to not fool with them again. Then they started winning and the fans came back. As soon as the A’s start winning in Vegas, they will have fans back. Maybe not the same ones, but honestly I’d rather have future fans than past fans anyway.
SportsFan0000
Fisher is underwater and could not even qualify for financing for his share of the Oakland stadium deal.
Fisher will have trouble coming up with his share of proposed LV stadium deal.
A’s will not be “winning” in LV the way Fisher runs a team on a shoestring budget.
Fans will not support a Fisher run AAAA team in LV.
DarkSide830
Why is it petty? It’s factually correct.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
It has been announced they will go by just the A’s, not Oakland, Sacramento or Las Vegas, for the three years. Works for me!
Christmas in April.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Sac of A’s?
James Midway
They would have to spend money to change names on stuff so they will stick with “Oakland” until they get to Vegas.
Bucsfan4ever
The Las Vegas Athletics of Sacramento just like the good old Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
prov356
Oakland does not want the A’s in their city. I wonder what’s behind such an impasse.
User 2079935927
@Prov Based on what? Maybe the A’s didn’t like the terms of what Oakland offered.
prov356
Winslow – “Based on what?”
Based on all I’ve read about the situation. If Oakland wanted the team to stay, there would be a deal to keep them there with a new stadium complex.
ARC 2
How many cities can give a billionaire $2 billion. This is all about a owner wanting free tax payers money.
dano62
Yeah, it’s the city’s (& local taxpayers) obligation to bend over like a pretzel for the altruistic carpetbagging MLB owners…
tedtheodorelogan
California could build a new stadium every couple years with all the money they waste on the homeless industrial complex.
its_happening
How many cities could outdraw and better support a franchise than Oakland?
Answer: plenty.
You keep looking in the wrong direction instead of looking in the mirror and around you. The people have spoken; they do not care or want A’s baseball. No effort like Montreal.
Lanidrac
@prov356 Oakland *did* have such a deal on the table for a new stadium, but Fisher turned them down due to thinking he could make more money by skipping town with the franchise.
prov356
Welp, like I said. Half the people blame the owner, half the people blame the city. Somewhere in the middle is the truth. None of us were in the meetings so anything said on here is nothing more than speculation.
thornt25
Yes, many people seem confident in saying the A’s had a great deal for a stadium in Oakland. I’d have to be intimately familiar with the negotiations, team finances, and legal considerations to have a strong opinion one way or another. Without this knowledge, the fact that the A’s decided to leave is strong evidence that it wasn’t that great.
deathby9
This is laughably wrong. Oakland worked in good faith with the A’s.
thornt25
The A’s and Oakland have had an acrimonious public relationship for the better part of a decade. Maybe they worked in good faith behind the scenes, I wouldn’t know.
If this is just the fault of A’s ownership, we should expect Oakland to convince an expansion franchise to come, correct? Just offer the same proposal to a different ownership group, which will eagerly take it.
prov356
thorn – “If this is just the fault of A’s ownership…”
You can also expect similar issues to materialize in Las Vegas too.
thornt25
Most of the issues with Oakland stemmed from the stadium, so no I don’t expect similar fights in Vegas for 20+ years.
If you’re right, and the problem is unique to Fisher, then any expansion ownership group would be dumb to not take it. The plans and negotiation are already far along, so expansion in Oakland seems like a slam dunk.
If I’m right and this is mostly due to Oakland’s market and political leadership, then the Raiders and Warriors will leave Oakland.
Fair bet?
prov356
Oakland/California is a hot mess so who knows what will happen.
thornt25
Yeah most of this is downstream from Oakland’s rough finances. As others have pointed out, it’s not necessarily “California” because some great stadiums have been built in LA and San Jose. There is more money in these locations so teams are willing to foot the bill.
But a big factor is that Vegas’ political leadership wants to attract teams, so they just blow up an old casino and hand the land to the A’s.
James Midway
Ted you are missing Esquire in your name
deathby9
I mean Joe Lacob has already said he’s buy the A’s and build at Howard Terminal. But, baseball decides expansion, not the willingness of a specific group to do so.
Also, Fisher is a large reason the Raiders aren’t in Oakland. At least that’s what Mark Davis believes: cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-owner-mark-davis-ri…
Even better, here is Fisher himself accepting some culpability: sports.yahoo.com/john-fisher-reveals-attempt-amend…
thornt25
It’s not only Fisher, now MLB doesn’t want baseball in Oakland, even if it were the best option? I looked at Lacob’s comments, and they’re essentially “sure, if the team was for sale, I’d be interested.”
deathby9
Ok. You’re right, MLB is involved and wants them out. But John Fisher is fully culpable for the A’s and a large reason as to the Raiders leaving.
Also, the comments you read from Lacob are likely from October ‘23. Lacob’s interest in the A’s is more than just “yeah give me a call”. He actually tried to buy the A’s but in yet another example of MLB screwing the A’s over, they forced the sale to Lew Wolff:nbcsportsbayarea.com/mlb/oakland-athletics/lacob-o…
ARC 2
@its happening Wouldn’t the A’s be moving to the cities that can out draw Oakland with a terrible team? So why are the A’s not moving there? So fun to prove this guy wrong again. So name the city???
thornt25
Time will tell if Vegas or Nashville can outdraw Oakland. It’s very unlikely that the political dysfunction of those cities matches Oakland’s, though.
OaklandKAM
Fisher never invested in any player nor the fan experience nor marketing. What business thinks customers just owe it to the to spend a bunch of money despite being crapped on for years? Blaming fans/customers is stupid.
lamars
Oh you poor fool, the A’s backed out of a deal to build a new stadium not the city of Oakland.
bpskelly
Which, unfortunately, will probably be proven right.
njbirdsfan
An issue created by the tech bros. But somehow they don’t have to pay into the system.
lamars
@ It’s Happening, That is completely false!
The fans wanted the A’s to stay and the A’s had sellout crowds until the start of the 2022 season. Fisher gutted the team by trading away all of their big stars, Olson, Chapman, Marte, Canha and pitchers Bassitt and Manaeaa. That is when the fans revolted and started staying away in droves.
This is the same thing Georgia Frontiere then the owner of the Rams pulled and when she stopped paying starts and didn’t put money into the team to justify a move to St. Louis.
lamars
@Thortnt25, No he just wanted to move the team. In 2022 he gutted the team for a reason and used it as an excuse to move the team. Offering to stay if the city built him a new stadium which he knew would never fly.
It’s the same tactic the Royals and Chiefs deployed and the people of Kansas said no to building new stadiums just like the citizens of Oakland did. With that said, I expect neither team to leave the area.
Pads Fans
ALL of the reasons the A’s are not staying in Oakland begin and end with John Fisher. They had an approved deal with hundreds of millions in taxpayer dollars and Fisher increased his ask at the last minute knowing that legally the city and state would be unable to make changes at the last minute. He was not negotiating in good faith.
Fisher was not negotiating in good faith to extend the lease at the Coliseum. There was signage at Sutter Health Park that takes weeks to create and install, but he only made the decision last night? Right! He had the deal in Sacramento weeks ago.
Pads Fans
90% blame Fisher. 10% blame some other reason because they are idiots that are not paying attention to the situation.
Pads Fans
Well, we found Dave Kaval’s new burner account, thornt25. So Dave, you keep getting outed. How does it feel to be known as the biggest liar and loser in MLB?
Pads Fans
Dave/thornt25, you know that Lacob has already offered to buy the A’s and build at Howard Terminal.
Why are you trying to spin this away from your own failures? Howard Terminal was APPROVED and you could have had shovels in the ground within a week, when your boss asked for hundreds of millions more in taxpayer funding when you knew for a fact that under California law it was not possible at that late date. .
You don’t even have financing to build a new ballpark in Las Vegas yet. Even though you bribed local politicians to vote to give you $380 million, that is about to fall through on the grounds that its unconstitutional in Nevada.
Pads Fans
Dave, most of the issues in Oakland stemmed from you and your boss John. Howard Terminal was not the first time you brought negotiations to the last and final step and then backed out.
You are Dave Kaval, so you are always wrong or lying.
The Raiders left because ofJjohn Fisher. How do we know? Mark Davis said so. Even Fisher apologized for that F’up later. Its ALL been about Fisher and you. All of it. Everywhere.
Pads Fans
Howard Terminal was approved with hundreds of millions in local and state taxpayer dollars committed. Fisher backed out at the last minute after asking for hundreds of million more taxpayer money at a point that he knew was too late for the mandated public hearings to be held. Then less than 2 weeks later announced he had a deal in Las Vegas. The FIRST deal in Las Vegas. The current proposed location is the 2nd deal in Las Vegas.
The land from the Tropicana is not going to the A’s. The A’s won’t own it and the ballpark would be built on 9 of 35 acres in that parcel. .
All you know how to do is lie Dave.
Pads Fans
Dave, that is not what Lacob said at all and you know it. Lacob made formal offers, with an S, for the team. He said he has a standing offer to buy the A’s and made a $1.4 billion offer in 2016.
“I had the A’s done,” Lacob told the Chronicle. “It was just taken away from me. You know what, everyone’s confident in their own abilities, obviously. I think we would’ve had a stadium a long time ago if I had bought it. That’s just me.”
He publicly stated in 2022 he would build at Howard Terminal.
Why do you keep trying to lie Dave?
Pads Fans
“I had the A’s done,” Lacob told the Chronicle. “It was just taken away from me. You know what, everyone’s confident in their own abilities, obviously. I think we would’ve had a stadium a long time ago if I had bought it. That’s just me.”
Pads Fans
Not only did the A’s gut the team, they doubled ticket prices. Fisher WANTED small crowds.
Pads Fans
Oakland approved the stadium at Howard Terminal. All the hoops had been jumped through. Hundreds of millions in taxpayer funds had been appropriated. Then at the 11th hour John Fisher and Dave Kaval aka thornt25 asked for hundreds of million more in taxpayer dollars knowing full well that the process takes months of public meetings and votes by the city council to get any changes approved by California law. Then 2 weeks later Dave Kaval aka thornt25 announced that the A’s had a deal in Las Vegas.
thornt25
Looks like this is just an issue with Fisher’s ownership and we can look forward to Lacob making a push for an Oakland expansion at Howard terminal in the coming years!
Arnold Ziffel
The A’s drew over 2 mil once in 53 years. Never drew well.
SportsFan0000
JOE LACOB’s STANDING OFFER TO BUY THE A’S
FOR 10 YEARS
“I’ve had a standing offer to buy the A’s from John Fisher for I don’t even know how long. Over a decade,” Lacob said. “It’s up to him; it’s his business. It would have been smarter to sell to me a long time ago because we would have been partners, and he would have been able to own a part of the Warriors as well.Jul 10, 2022
Pads Fans
Do you not know how to look it up or do you just prefer being wrong?
2,003,628
2,109,118
2,201,516
2,216,596
2,169,811
2,133,277
2,035,025
2,494,160
2,713,493
2,900,217
2,667,225
2,287,335
I will let you look up the years. Hint, only one of those is since Fisher took over the team.
F_China
Wrong… the city of Oakland kept jerking the A’s around and never provided them with a ‘binding’ contract. That’s when the A’s took on the ‘parallel paths’ approach, which allowed Las Vegas to enter the picture, thereby sealing Oakland’s fate.
Oakland as a city is a JOKE. Chokeland is what defines them. Losers losing all 3 major league teams. It’s a shithole town that nobody likes going to.
its_happening
Based on support. Are you kidding with this question?
deathby9
What did John Fisher do to cultivate support?
Was it the:
– Constant departures of any homegrown talent via trade or FA
– Lack of investment in both on-field talent and stadium amenities
– Trying to move out of Oakland (Fremont, San Jose)
– Trying to get out of paying minor leaguers during COVID
– Raising ticket prices after the most recent sell off
– Refusing to invest revenue sharing into the team
Im genuinely curious. Happy to be wrong here.
its_happening
deathby9 is the problem. Not a typo.
Because ownership should NOT be the reason you can’t get off your behind to support your baseball team. You don’t. Yet you blame ownership. You haven’t given ownership or the city a reason to keep a team in Oakland. Other teams have bad ownership. Yet fans support the team and the players on the field.
“The owner made us not care”. Ok….
deathby9
It is the responsibility of an owner of any business to attract patrons. This is true in all walks of life. Why you don’t apply it to sports is absurd.
Also, ask the Pirates fans about Bob Nutting (they A’s outdrew them up until 2020 even with them getting a new stadium)
How about O’s fans and Peter Angelos (who the A’s outdrew up until 2020)
Miami, Kansas City, CWS as well.
To think ownership does not impact attendance is false. And to think Oakland is the only place with depressed attendance because of ownership is also incorrect. Even if you want to cite on-field play as a viable (in your mind) reason for fans not to go, I got some news for you: much of that has to do with payroll, and, well guess who controls that?
OaklandKAM
Any business that blames the customer is a bad business run by terrible business people.
its_happening
It’s the responsibility of the fans to show up. Stop blaming ownership. Weak take. Buy tickets, buy merchandise. Your fanbase does not care, your argument has holes “who controls payroll…”. As if your city has supported good teams. You haven’t. That’s on you. Own it and wear it.
lamars
@It’s Happening, What do you mean by stopping blaming ownership?
The A’s constantly sold out during the moneyball era (1996-2004) and until the end of the 2021 season. Then Fisher dismantled the team in the off-season and made it perfectly clear he wasn’t going to invest in the team and would look to move the team.
Newsflash for ya, the A’s didn’t have a losing record from 1998 until 2008. And not again until the 2015-2017 season and during those years they either won the division, made the playoffs or finished near the top of their division. The fan base has ALWAYS supported the A’s by buying tickets and merchandise. You would actually know this if you lived in California or knew anything about the A’s.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@its_happening
Are you so silly that you have to stay up all night to be so silly in the morning?
Simple terms:
Crap product.
No-one buys it.
Too complicated?
Pads Fans
My wife and I are going to Pittsburgh next month and last week she got online and bought tickets in Section 16, 4 rows behind home plate for a Saturday game against the division rival Cubs.
Arnold Ziffel
Lamar’s the A’s drew over 2 mil once in 55 years.
Pads Fans
Since you repeated your lie, I will repeat the facts.
2,003,628
2,109,118
2,201,516
2,216,596
2,169,811
2,133,277
2,035,025
2,494,160
2,713,493
2,900,217
2,667,225
2,287,335
I will let you look up the years. Hint, only one of those is since Fisher took over the team.
srsbryzness
The A’s have done everything in their power to show they don’t want to be in Oakland.
prov356
I agree. The city doesn’t want them there and the team doesn’t want to be there. My question was what caused the impasses.
njbirdsfan
I guess the question is what do you want the city of Oakland to do? Something has to give. They either have to let Oakland walk and fund the services the right wing mocks like public safety and education, or they cave, give Fisher what he wants and those services will need to be cut further.
Frankly it seems like Fisher just takes and takes, gives nothing back except crappy seasonal jobs with zero benefits or security and when he doesn’t get more handouts decides to take his team to Vegas.
prov356
Half the people blame the owner, half the people blame the city. Somewhere in the middle is the truth. It doesn’t matter at this point. The A’s are moving. It sounds like a similar situation to the Angels in that the owner should sell the team to someone who values winning.
thornt25
I’m sympathetic to Oakland’s position because public stadium financing tends to be a money loser for cities and it’s probably better to reduce taxes or do something else with the money.
This negotiation for a 3 year extension changed my mind a bit, because of how deeply unserious Oakland’s demands were. They wanted exclusive negotiations for an expansion franchise, to keep the A’s name, and a $97m exit fee. A 3 year extension would have required no financing from the city and would have just been free money. But the political leadership of Oakland would rather posture.
oldgfan
Nobody should want to be in Oakland.
I worked there for 15 years and saw constant decline in all aspects. Gangs of organized criminals, sideshow punks, and the homeless encampments rule the streets. Businesses are closing and pulling out. Only the green belt is thriving with armed warehouses growing weed. Pretty sad that the only positive condition there is the weather.
unpaidobserver
Counterpoint: I have been in the Bay Area for nearly all my life and never seen Oakland as culturally vibrant as it is right now.
oldgfan
Come down from the foothills and hang out in the coliseum area for a day. Real “vibrant”.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Culturally vibrant means people pooping on sidewalks. And robberies.
DeferredFan
Bobby Bo – You’ve never been to Oakland. Stop believing right-wing propaganda.
Oldgfan – There are always problems in cities, including by the Coliseum, yes, where very few people live. Yes, there are some homeless encampments in the city (in every city). However, the majority of Oakland is beautiful and vibrant.
unpaidobserver
Stop waking up at 5am start hanging out on a Saturday night.
unpaidobserver
It kind of does since low rent=creative people.
oldgfan
Only in your rose colored glasses.
Take a drive down wood street under the freeway. There’s a whole vibrant third world pallet city. Just don’t be there after dark. Cops won’t even go in there.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Somebody mentioned street poop! We have a winner!
Bart Harley Jarvis
How’s about Snake Plissken?
refereemn77
When I was in Austin TX in 2019 there were homeless camps under every bridge. Locals said it was similar in other cities. This isn’t a problem of what political party you believe in, it’s an American problem.
njbirdsfan
Again, thank you for parroting every talking point you heard on Fox. Do you have any thoughts of your own, or should I just wait for Tucker to tell you what to say next?
njbirdsfan
Oldgfan is absolutely the NIMBY who blocks affordable housing or rezoning, then whines when the problems he created show up.
What do you want, old timer? You go out of your way to make sure only a handful of people have money, housing skyrockets, and when the tech bros aren’t happy with their profits, they lay everyone off, and boom, how do you plan on paying your $3500 monthly rent?
Maybe we should just ask these people to stop eating and breathing? Would that work for you? Ironic that the right wing hates these people, yet they demand every child be born who dollars to donuts will be the very people who need services in the first place.
oldgfan
@njbirds
You don’t know me. So can’t “absolutely” call me anything. FYI I’m not a voter, so block nothing. Not political as all politicians are crooks.
My backyard is a forest, but you go ahead and assume you know it all.
By the way, you make no sense.
its_happening
njbirds if you’re referring to my comment I did not know politics had anything to do with supporting a baseball team. However, you’ve been on this site for many years and you’ve yet to have a worthwhile thought during that time. You live in one of the worst states in America. Stop talking like you know something.
Pads Fans
I just sold a condo for well over $1 million and $200k more than asking price in Jack London Square area. Wages and real estate values are skyrocketing in Oakland. Orinda, the wealthiest small town in the nation is in the Oakland hills. Not sure where you worked, but it wasn’t in Oakland recently.
JazzJazz
oldgfan: Total Losers and their legal weed. One of *the* stories of the century, thus far.
Arnold Ziffel
Try and go to a night game in Oakland, better take Sealteam with you. Worst area in MLB
Bart Harley Jarvis
SealTeam6 will only be needed this season. Next season you’ll need say malevolent things about Sacramento.
JazzJazz
oldgfan: Total Lo***s and their legal w**d. One of *the* stories of the century, thus far.
ARC 2
??? Been there and done that. Never robed or even attacked. So Arnold Ziffel why are you making up things. I been to many other stadiums in America seen much worse. Even in KC they can’t have a parade in day light with people being killed.
Pads Fans
I go every year at night. Usually with my wife. Went to the Giants and Padres series last season. NO problems.
Your huevos are the size of BB’s apparently.
F_China
BINGO. You nailed it.
unpaidobserver
The incredible value of the land underneath the Coliseum site.
prov356
Now that’s a plausible explanation.
Rsox
Would you want a John Fisher owned team in your city?
martras
Bay Area government arrogance.
SportsFan0000
THAT IS THE MOST BULLSHEET STATEMENT I HAVE READ ON THIS TOPIC.
Oakland was on 3rd base and ready to score with the Jack London Square New A’s SF Bay Waterfront New ballpark deal..
Oakland officials were putting a lot more cash, credit, tax breaks into that deal than Fisher is getting in Las Vegas.
THE JACK LONDON SQUARE DEAL DID NOT GO BECAUSE FISHER
DOES NOT HAVE THE CASH & CREDIT THAT HE PROMISED TO COME UP WITH AS HIS PART OF THE DEAL
CONCLUSION: FISHER WAS REJECTED FOR FINANCING HIS END OF THE OAKLAND DEAL, A MUCH LARGE DEAL THAN THE LAS VEGAS DEAL
AND, FISHER WAS ALWAYS NEGOTIATING IN “BAD FAITH” WITH OAKLAND OFFICIALS AND NEVER INTENDED TO COMPLETE THAT DEAL.
HIS “NEGOTIATIONS” WITH OAKLAND WERE MERELY A SMOKESCREEN AND “COVER STORY” TO TAKE TO MLB OWNERS MEETING TO SAY HE TRIED AND OAKLAND WOULD NOT DO THE DEAL.
HOWERVER, FISHER LIED.
OAKLAND HAD APPROVED EVERYTHING AND WAS READY TO GO.
THEN, AFTER ALL THAT WORK AND ALL THOSE APPROVALS.
FISHER CHANGED THE DEAL AND ASKED OAKLAND AND CA OFFICIALS FOR 100’S OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MORE FROM THE CITY AND COUNTY AFTER THE DEAL WAS READY TO BE SIGNED IN OAKLAND
CAN YOU SAY “BAD FAITH” BY FISHER?!
martras
Poor baby need a bottle?
ARC 2
It was Fisher that withdrew from the deal. Sportfanoooo has no idea what happened. Fisher wanted free land to build a business empire which he didn’t get.. Not the first time Fisher pulled out of a big deal on a business park.
SportsFan0000
False!
Oakland and SF Bay Area wants an MLB team with competent ownership that puts a competitive team on the field, is a “good corporate citizen”, spends money on players, does not “fire sale” its young star players every 3-4 years, spends money on marketing, advertising and promoting the A’s team, is a true partner and team advocate.
Fisher doesn’t do any of that and is not that guy.
prov356
Sportsfan0000 – That sounds like what you want, not the city.
Pads Fans
Prov, The first part of that sentence is almost literally what Thao said. Sportsfan is paraphrasing her interview.
I don’t often agree with him, but he is correct on this one.
its_happening
If Oakland wanted that they’d show up and watch. They haven’t. That means what you said isn’t true.
SportsFan0000
Oakland and the SF Bay Area very much want the A’s in Oakland and the SF Bay Area.
They just object to “shakedown” artists like Fisher claiming to have money, but refusing to spend it on their own private business and new business building..
Oakland and the SF Bay Area offered more than Las Vegas is offering.
The Jack London Square deal that Fisher walked away from was a proposed 12B deal
Fisher and MLB were also offered more scaled back deals in the 1-2B range including plan to build a New A’s stadium in the Coliseum parking lot and tear down the old Coliseum after the new stadium was built
The Las Vegas deal is a much smaller deal on a small lot on the strip
with no room for expansion or increase in future revenues.
Fisher could not qualify for the financing in those Oakland deals.
Will MLB have to step in and finance Fisher in LV?!
Banks are not running in to finance Fisher in LV either.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@SportsFan0000
Absolutely correct. Go back to the originally Howard Terminal plan, and Fisher claiming all costs would be net by private backing…
I guess it is easier to steal money from tax payers that to provide a viable product that people willingly pay for….
SportsFan0000
BS!
This is on Bud Selig, Manfred, Fisher and the SF Giants for sabotaging the A’s in the SF Bay Area.
Warriors Owner Joe Lacob offered to buy the A’s
and build a smaller project on Coliseum in the parking lots
and then tear down to existing Coliseum
like what the Mets did with Citi Field.
Fisher and Manfred nixed that deal for what reasons?!
eznod
When they move to Vegas, they should change their name to Aces.
Stormintazz
Isn’t Aces to obvious? Quicksilvers?
hiflew
Obvious is not always bad. In fact, I would argue that it rarely is bad.
prov356
Nashville’s team will be called the Music City Stars. That oozes obvious.
scottn59c
Nashville can be “The Hitmakers”, haha!
JackStrawb
I was with you through the first clause.
prov356
mlbmusiccity.com/
It’s the Stars. They already have the unforms designed.
Lanidrac
I think the idea is so they can keep “A’s” as the shortened version.
Then again, “A’s” isn’t that much shorter than “Aces.”
Stormintazz
That will save some ink.
NickTheDev
They aren’t going to change their name.
dezpoo
Fisher would if he gets enough money from it.
markf
The Athletics didn’t change their name when moving from Philadelphia or Kansas City, why should they now?
Skeptical
Marketing. The owner has to decide whether keeping the old name or adopting a new one is more valuable. The name Athletics has a certain legacy effect that may appeal to some people. However, the value of that legacy may have been diminished in the last few years by the owner, team’s performance, bad publicity from the stadium disaster, etc.
The value of keeping the name has to be weighed against the value of a new name signifying a fresh start leaving behind all the negative baggage that may have accumulated with the old name. It is about branding and one has to decide whether the old brand carries more value or would a rebranding add more vale.
Of course, one factor is inertia. Not changing takes less energy than changing.
dirtyjog
There’s already a Las Vegas Aces. But I like the cards/blackjack theme – how about the Las Vegas Busts? A homage to their roots and a nod to their new home.
User 2079935927
The One Arm Bandits
Lanidrac
Does Fisher need an amputation?
User 2079935927
No but that s lang for Slot Machine
ohyeadam
Las Vegas Dealers? Jackpots?
User 2079935927
Sam Rothstein owns the Aces name. If you have problem with it talk to Nicky Santoro. He can meet you somewhere in the desert. And bring a shovel.
Bart Harley Jarvis
I’m thinking the Vegas Degenerative Gamblers (the DG’s) might be the way to go.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Should be Jokers.
dasit
Vegas DraftKings
Eatdust666
The problem with that is it’s the name of their WNBA franchise
User 2161944466
Taho will have as many Ls this year as the A’s
Blue Baron
@JimmyTwoBags: TAHOE also has an E.
HalosHeavenJJ
Good for Sacramento.
'Tang It
Is it though?
straightuphonestguy
What a shame this whole ordeal had been, but I am surprised Fisher is passing on the RSN money.
unpaidobserver
I’m not at all surprised. He values pouting more than money, like all silver spooners.
User 2079935927
I thought if he stayed in area he keeps the RSN $$$. Sackoftamatos doesn’t count ?
straightuphonestguy
I am fairly certain leaving Oakland breaks the contract with NBC Sports California. So they’re free to renegotiate (and I’m sure they will), but I imagine it will be much lower.
dezpoo
Actually I’ve read that it’ll be pretty close to what they are getting now. NBC CA is having problems with their revenue stream as people leave cable.
thornt25
It can’t be that much lower, or they would have accepted Oakland’s proposal.
straightuphonestguy
Maybe Fisher just sees it as a sunk cost, and he’ll make up the difference with the 50% Coliseum stake.
CleaverGreene
If their revenue stream is depleting why would the A’s get a better deal? that makes no sense.
thornt25
He has 50% regardless of whether the lease went through or not. Leaving Oakland meant he needed to renegotiate his TV deal. I don’t know how you’re considering that a “sunk cost”.
To Oakland, this is just lease money they’re not receiving because their mayor thought she had a lot of leverage. Turns out she had very little.
Pads Fans
If NBC Sports decides to renegotiate a deal, it will be for less than 20% of the A’s current deal. That has been reported for months including by Maury Brown and Sports Business Journal.
Pads Fans
Fisher can’t sell his 50% share unless the city of Oakland approves the sale. Unless he sells to AASEG, its doubtful they allow it to go through.
Pads Fans
LMAO. Dave, HE, meaning john Fisher, your boss, cannot sell his share in the Colisuem site without Thao’s permission. He is stuck with that unless he sells to someone the city of Oakland approves. He gets NO income from that. Only equity.
The Coliseum JPA already has new soccer team tenants starting in 2025 that will be paying as much for 33 events as the A’s would have for 81 under the lease proposal from the city, and now the JPA is free to hold other events like concerts that you and your boss blocked from being held during baseball season. Plus, now with the A’s gone, the Roots/Soul will be able to build their soccer only stadium on the Malibu lot and have it ready for the 2028 season.
The JPA wins when the A’s leave. They had ALL the leverage.
Now you and your boss lose $200 million in TV revenue, have to spend $15-20 million to upgrade a AAA park, and have to play summer games in Sacramento where its 100+ for 40 days per year for the next 3 seasons.
straightuphonestguy
Sunk cost in that the relationship between the A’s ownership and Oakland is so acrimonious that Fisher says to hell with the difference in RSN value, he’d rather take a small loss than a win on Oakland’s terms. Maybe sunk cost isn’t the right term; I’m no businessman.
Pads Fans
Fisher’s loss will be $200 million over the next 3 years.
SportsFan0000
Sacramento IS NOT IN THE SF BAY AREA.
Playing A’s games in Sacramento breaks their TV contract
and forfeits 60M-70M per year in TV revenues
thornt25
You keep making statements that are disproven by actual events. You’re living in a world where Fisher is leaving $70M/yr to avoid paying $20m/yr, which is nonsensical for a cheap and greedy man. The more rational explanation is that the A’s are taking a relatively small hit to their TV contract.
Oakland’s mayor also thought Fisher would lose all his TV money, so she had tons of leverage. That wasn’t true.
Pads Fans
Dave, he is right. Why are you lying? You KNOW you are losing $67 million in annual TV revenue by moving to Sacramento.
case
They were trying to get him to sell his share in the colosseum which is being prepped as the site for a number of other sports franchises. The stadium is a 2 minute walk from BART and probably has way more earning potential compared to a short term TV contract.
Besides, there appears to be no penalty for completely slashing payroll, selling the franchise for parts, and moving to a minor league stadium. It will still be profitable in the interim.
tigerdoc616
Interesting. The city of Oakland’s offer to have the A’s continue in Oakland was a deal breaker. But they tried, right?!?! The bigger issue is the A’s local TV contract which was in jeopardy with a move outside of Oakland. That had to be resolved to the A’s satisfaction to allow them to go to Sacramento for three years.
PoisonedPens
Not sure the MLBPA will be signing off on three-four seasons for its players in Sacramento, either.
MC Tim C
MLBPA has no say in the matter.
BaseballisLife
The union can nix any facility. They already said no to the AAA ballpark in Las Vegas.
YankeesBleacherCreature
You sure are going to also hear about visiting teams complain about the inadequate facilities. A’s should just use the Field of Dreams and pay for a park use permit and 500 lawn chairs.
ARC 2
Let’s face it Fisher want to spend the least amount of money he can. By the end of the year Fisher will trade anyone making above minimum wage. A real commish wouldn’t allow a owner to make a mockery of baseball.
SportsFan0000
Yes, MLB and the Players can refuse to play in a substandard facility in Sacramento.
SportsFan0000
A’s and Fisher are walking away from 60-70M per year in TV revenues
by going to Sacramento which is not in the SF Bay Area.
A’s rights in Sacramento are worth maybe 10M per year.
( a loss of 60M per year).
“Bad Blood” between Oakland officials and Fisher
since Fisher/Manfred have lied to Oakland officials, repeatedly.
bpskelly
It’ll be less, but not that much less. Considering how cheap Fisher is, it won’t be a problem for him.
Pads Fans
The Sacramento market is half the size of the Bay Area. Plus, they have not shown to be baseball fans in the area. The estimates are for a deal around 20% of the current deal, so around $13-14 million per year. Considering the fact that the A’s are moving again in 3 years, even that is not a certainty.
zacharydmanprin
Sutter Health Field is in West Sacramento, not Sacramento. It’s in Yolo County.
erauber
Now they’re your problem Sac. When LV falls through good luck
Druuu
Has anyone been to a game there? Is it a nicer place? We know they won’t fill the stands either way.
If A’s fan still exist, I do like the timing window for them. I would think the Astros and Rangers championship window would be closing or already closed and Mike Trout would be retired or severely in production decline, opening up a nice window to contend their first year in Vegas.
Baseball Pickers
I’ve been to half a dozen games at Sutter Health Park, and it’s a nice AAA ball field. Similar to other relatively new AAA fields I’ve been to in Omaha and Columbus.
It’s a Cracker Jack box compared to the Coliseum.
JackStrawb
True, but you could add 15,000 seats past the outfield fence in an offseason.
smuzqwpdmx
Which would turn one of the most beautiful minor league ballparks with a great outfield view into an ugly monstrosity, but bringing a Mount Davis to Sacramento to ruin it long after they’re gone would be just like the A’s.
Pads Fans
What do you think of the pyramid that you can see from the park? Pretty cool.
unpaidobserver
Summer day games will be heck.
zacharydmanprin
Traffic is a nightmare, concessions are terrible and overpriced, there’s no chance of walking to anything after them game and during the summer game temperatures are in the 90s at 7PM. I don’t think MLBPA is going to sign off on this. The lights are terrible and the mosquitoes are a terror. It’s cheaper to drive from Sacramento and go to an A’s game in Oakland than attend a Rivercats game in Sacramento. The Rivercats saying is; minor league baseball at major league prices.
norcalguardiansfan
90 degrees is very comfortable here so the night games will be fine. There will, however, be a few day games that will be really hot. When I moved here from the Midwest people asked me about the weather and I said you can subtract at least 10 degrees from the temperature to get a sense of how it feels, but 110 is 110 and having to play in the sun on those days will be really uncomfortable.
Also, I don’t think the MLBPA has a say in this.
Pads Fans
The MLBPA definitely has a say. The park is on the river, hence the name RiverCats, and humidity can be an issue. Especially in the summer.
smuzqwpdmx
Why are you driving? I live an hour east of Sacramento and even I take light rail to the games.
I’ve been to games where the temp was 107 at game start and it was fine sitting still in the shade in the dry heat. Certainly better than those humid east coast teams in the summer and cools real quick at sunset. Never noticed a mosquito or any issues with the lights. They do charge a ton for the tickets, I’ll give you that one — I’ve noticed even some Giants tickets are cheaper than the cheapest River Cats non-seat lawn ticket.
Pads Fans
Sutter Health Park is decent by AAA standards. Its usually half empty so you can get good seats all the time, but it costs as much to go to a game there as most MLB ballparks. More than the Coliseum. Concessions are outrageous. More than at Petco Park.
Have only been to games there in April and August. The weather was cool and nice in April and hotter than hades in August. 110 and 111 the two days we were there. The park is next to a river, so humidity and mosquitos seem like they could be a problem at times.
GONEcarlo
“the River Cats could play home games across multiple sites, including the Coliseum”
lol that would be a hilarious outcome
straightuphonestguy
Seems a bit backwards.. and the fact that it’s the Giants affiliate twists the knife a bit more.
dezpoo
Not really considering the ball park are getting upgrades without the Giants having to do anything LOL
pt57
What would really be hilarious is if the River Cats outdrew the A’s in the Coliseum.
hiflew
I could see protestors really buying up seats in that situation as a way to stick it to Fisher.
case
They might, Giants fans probably wouldn’t mind seeing what their triple AAA team is up to.
'Tang It
They will out draw the athletics
jhend12
How can it be better to move to a temporary stadium for 3 years rather than work it out with Oakland? Seems like a logistical nightmare.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Oklahoma City parlayed their hosting a temporary team into getting a permanent one. As much as I despise the A’s owner, this is better than dealing with the Oakland government and remaining in the open air toilet known as the Coliseum.
unpaidobserver
Rickey Henderson lifted up that base in that open air toilet.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
And Jackie Robinson played at the Polo Grounds. What’s your point?
Rsox
Filling a Basketball arena 40 times per year is not even close to as difficult as filling a Baseball stadium 81 times per year. Lets see if the Sacramento area embraces the A’s AAAA team enough to even be remotely considered
Albert Belle's corked bat
From what I have read, the City of Oakland was asking for the moon in their negotiations for a 3 year ext. Guess ownership of the A’s made the right move and bailed. Now the city gets nothing. Now turn the stadium into a homeless camp!
thornt25
I was assured that the A’s were going to Oakland’s city council “with their hat in hand” and the A’s had no leverage because of the TV deal! Somehow Oakland’s shrewd political leadership fumbled. This is odd because Oakland rarely messes up negotiations with sports franchises.
SportsFan0000
City and County HAD ALL THE LEVERAGE.
A’s Fisher and Manfred had zero leverage
since they have been CAUGHT RED HANDED IN MULTIPLE LIES, MULTIPLE BAD FAITH NEGOTIATIONS WITH OAKLAND OFFICIALS,
“BAD BLOOD” BETWEEN FISHER, MANFRED AND OAKLAND OFFICIALS ENOUGH TO LEAVE 60-70M
IN FORFEITED TV REVENUES ON THE TABLE?!?!
martras
…because Sacramento isn’t demanding $60-100MM a year to play at their ballpark?
The A’s were paying like $2MM a year in lease to Oakland. MLB teams pay usually pay something around $1-5MM a year in lease agreements.
Oakland was demanding 50-100x market rate for the lease.
SportsFan0000
Oakland was in the “drivers seat”. It had spent many millions on the Coliseum over the years to keep Fisher happy.
Fisher, consistently, did not hold up his end of the deal,
Oakland has soccer, rugby and other teams that play at the Coliseum that actually pay, cooperate and are “good corporate citizens”..
martras
They were in the drivers seat, were they? I suppose they were the limo driver.
Problem is they set their price like they were the only limo service in town because they were angry. Now they get nothing.
SportsFan0000
Oakland and Alameda County actually gets more money from Soccer, Rugby, Concerts, Special events
than it gets from the A’s and Manfred.
The stadium lease deal was a “money loser” for the City and County officials and a yearly subsidy of the A’s, a private business, every year.
Once Fisher, Manfred, MLB “showed their cards”, exposed their “bad faith” in negotiations, were caught in multiple lies and bad faith negotiations, Oakland and Alameda county had zero incentives and and zero reasons to continue to subsidize the A’s and make it easier to move to LV.
unpaidobserver
Yes but the problem is that most teams create multiplier effects that raise tax revenue in the surrounding areas. The Coliseum, because of lack of investment in the area (more the city of Oakland’s fault than anyone’s) doesn’t create these same multiplier effects. And when the team stinks it’s like a black hole (which is ironic because it used to be called the Black Hole).
ballgawd
The A’s are a total $hit$how! Fisher needs to sell the team. As a fan who lost the Supersonics to a shyster owner, I truly feel for A’s fans.
I bet the River Cats outdraw the A’s by 20%!
martras
Whatcha wanna bet, crybaby?
OaklandKAM
Scrub
martras
You should have lobbied for the new stadium project to actually get some funding instead of boycotting the A’s games to really “show ’em”
kodion
Poll:
How many times will the players outnumber the fans at home games between now and the end of the Coliseum experience?
User 2161944466
Zero
C4Luke
sell the team
dirkbill1958
SELL
merkzy69
As an A’s fan living in Sacramento, I still won’t watch until Fisher sells
JazzJazz
merkzy, are you Eric The Midget?
vtadave
2 hours from me. Good I guess if I want to see my Dodgers.
julyn82001
Well, A’s ownership gave up on Oakland long time ago. Such a waste of time and discouraging to their fans whatever the number. I’m sure Fisher is saying viva Sacramento and Las Vegas all together…
unknowneric
“A’s players voiced concerns to the Chronicle about… the lights at a Triple-A stadium”
The lights in Buffalo were upgraded already for the Blue Jays. JUST SAYIN’. (coughBuffaloAthleticscough)
Albert Belle's corked bat
Blackburn should fit just right in a AAA stadium.
prov356
unknowneric – nice Dano.
RunDMC
They’re already selling out ads for the massive tarps they’ll need to put over sections of seats in the new stadium to condense crowds.
cheapseater
No context comparing the situation at Sutter Health Park to TD Ballpark, Steve?
farscott
As someone who was at TD Ballpark for the series against Boston in May of 2021, the setup for those games was interesting. The clubhouses had to be redone, temporary lighting installed, and remote cameras added. All to play games in front of more cardboard cutouts than people.
TD Ballpark is quite intimate, so the fan experience is amazing as you are so close to the action. As a business case, the fan spending barely moved the needle. IIRC, ticket sales were less than 2500 in a stadium that can seat about 7500 (8500 with SRO). The TV revenue is what mattered. It will be interesting to see what TV deal the As can wrangle.
uvmfiji
Oakland Coliseum (1966) and Kaufman Stadium (1973). No need for major league baseball in these communities. Shame they cannot put a team in Manhattan. Charlotte might be an option at some point.
RunDMC
Put a team in Manhattan, KS?? Surely not Manhattan, NY.
Brooklyn would be top-10 in largest US cities if it were independent of NYC. It has the history, the population and the real estate – which should be considered more so than Manhattan. Manhattan is 13 miles long and 2 miles wide with some of the most expensive real estate (per square mile) in the world. You’ll be able to bring peace in the Middle East before building a stadium in Manhattan.
Mikenmn
Agree, and I live here. Rudy, when he was Mayor, used to talk about a stadium over where the Javits Center is now. Bronx Bombers out to be in The Bronx. It’s a nice stadium (a little cold, and lacking in historical glory) and there’s plenty of mass transit to it, if you don’d mind the sardine approach for a few minutes.
dano62
Nothing wrong with the K…
RunDMC
I was at that stadium last year, and while I really liked the stadium experience, it’s in the middle of nowhere. The new plans for a downtown KC stadium make sense to this fan that wouldn’t be paying taxes to build it. Location, location, location.
Lanidrac
Even if the Royals do need a new stadium, there’s no reason for them to leave Kansas City.
cwizzy6
Sure seems like they are messing this all up at every single step. Failed franchise all due to the owner. Moving to Vegas wont turn things around.
CyrusZuo
Messy.
I hope NBC Sports simply drops the A’s or makes the deal terrible to the point that Fisher steps back and undoes Sacramento and has to refigure.
The A’s consistently set a plan w/o having the details in place, which gives all the negotiating power to other parties.
The way the A’s negotiate is to put out a lot of alternatives to make it look like they have all the cards, then they jump and play their card before knowing what everyone else has, and then they are at the mercy of everyone else while looking inept.
I expect this announcement will be another inept looking moment for a terribly run franchise (and my favorite team…at least it was for 30+ years).
erauber
They should. Or pay way less. Nobody will be watching
tjmacari
If the A’s had any long-term vision at all, they would have chosen Salt Lake City. Vegas is going to be SLC’s home MLB team in 2028 (no guarantee they get expansion), and they could have started building their Nevada/Utah fanbase.
I’m guessing NBC CA is so desperate to not have to give the entire $70M (if they would have stayed in OAK) that they are still giving them a sweet deal in Sacramento (maybe $35M), which I’m sure was the biggest reason the A’s rejected OAK’s latest proposal.
A’s are still going to get boycotted in Sacramento and the local sports radio station 1140 KTHK is against all this because they almost lost the Kings
Finally, if they A’s have to share a clubhouse with a AAA team and the stadium is branded for the Rivercats, that would be rediculous
The only way to salvage this is:
– Have the Rivercats play elsewhere
– Brand Sutter Health Park for the A’s
– Play a spring training game in SLC (vs the Bees (A’s vs Bees)) to remind SLC they have a new home team in Vegas
straightuphonestguy
Once the A’s leave Oakland, there is no desperation on behalf of NBC Sports California. The A’s break contract.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Exactly. NBC can pretty much offer $1 million for the rights and would also have a breach of contract claim if the A’s go hunting for a better deal from Amazon or someone like that.
ChuckyNJ
All of which are Easier Said Than Done.
You don’t break a naming-rights contract or a TV contract just to please mouth-breathing fanboys.
martras
SLC can’t support an MLB team. Way too low of a population/density.
lasershow45
I lived in SLC for 13 years. People barely understand baseball, let alone care to watch. They aren’t going to care about a team in Vegas
BaseballisLife
The Bees outdrew the Rivercats by a large margin. The Amarillo Sod Poodles outdrew the Rivercats too.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Last person to leave the Bay Area, turn out the lights please.
OaklandKAM
There are 8 million people here and real estate prices are through the roof, what are you talking about?
JazzJazz
Artificially through the roof. It’s a massive real estate and tax scam.
hogansgoat
The owners should band together and drive Fisher out of their fraternity.
Is anybody else disgusted by the Giants banning kids from the ballpark?
pbuchman
> the Giants banning kids from the ballpark
You know that was an April Fool’s Day joke, right?
MWeller77
I think that was an April Fool’s joke? I Googled it and only found 2 articles about it, both dated April 1.
thethrill
HAHA who would ban kids from watching baseball. You got April Fooled!
uvmfiji
You couldn’t fool your mother on the foolingest day of your life if you had an electrified fooling machine.
thethrill
I never claimed to fool anyone but good response smh.
But Clearly hogans goat got fooled by the article that came out on 4/1 about the Giants banning kids from their stadium, because they were disgusted by it.
martras
The owners are absolutely on board with Fisher and they’re all thanking him. Him moving the team paves the way for them to get new stadiums in the future.
Arnold Ziffel
One little acknowledged fact, in the 55 years the A’s were in Oakland they drew more than 2 million just once. Reasons could be a lousy stadium, teams have been on a great lousy cycle, a person puts their life at risk driving to a night game there, and traffic is ridiculous there. I am sure more reasons exist.
martras
@Arnold Ziffel – That’s easy to blow out of the water with 30 seconds of work.
baseball-reference.com/teams/OAK/index.shtml
Pads Fans
You keep repeating that lie. So I will keep repeating the facts.
2,003,628
2,109,118
2,201,516
2,216,596
2,169,811
2,133,277
2,035,025
2,494,160
2,713,493
2,900,217
2,667,225
2,287,335
I will let you look up the years. Hint, only one of those is since Fisher took over the team.
CaseyAbell
The River Cats sold 388K tickets in 2023, an average of about 5,200 per game. That sounds close to the A’s typical attendance, so the team should feel right at home.
Okay, the A’s should do better than that in a new town, especially when a good draw like the Yankees, Red Sox or Cubs come to Sacramento. Though the team might try to put games like that in a bigger stadium, like San Francisco’s. I get the feeling that Sacramento will only get the run-of-the-mill games, while the better draws are scheduled elsewhere.
We’ll see. The entire relocation has been a long strange trip.
Mikenmn
Perhaps for the best. The two sides, Oakland, and Ownership, clearly didn’t have any trust between them and any deal they made would probably end up being the cause of litigation afterwards. As to the players’ concerns about the quality of the facilities, if Fisher can’t get someone else to pay for it, the players will just have to cope. MLB is probably happy with this, because Fisher’s open greed makes it harder to convince other cities and states to pony up. Could the votes in KC have been affected by the negotiations in Oakland?
BuccosFan
lol I know I’m a dreamer but imagine a world where a World Series game is played in a minor league ballpark in Sacramento. That would be goofy
Always an A’s fan
Or even a playoff game
CKinSTL
Haha.. that would be an interesting scenario!
User 2079935927
I think they would have the playoff game in Anaheim . Anaheim was mentioned 2 weeks sgo as a possibility of the A’s playing games there during regular season
M.C.Homer
Buccos. I finally have something to root for this year. (I’m an Angels fan) That would be awesome for Manfred, wouldn’t it?
User 2079935927
I read that if they stayed in the area and sac town was one the locations they would still get rsn payola
selw0nk 2
How does it workout with the Giants AAA team there?
Johnny utah
Where will AAA giants play? 10000 capacity lol still wont fill up
Will they be called sacramento A’s? What a mess of a franchise. Oakland is kind of cursed. Warriors left, raiders left, athletics…
kodion
Athletics …is more representative of the franchise’s mobility than their players’ ability …at the moment
Gumby82
Please boycott the GAP. It’s how Nepotism baby John Fisher made his money
JoeBrady
The A’s have no fans. If the few fans they have boycotted GAP, would anyone even know about it?
SportsFan0000
Is that why the A’s set regular season and playoffs records for attendance at individual games under a prior ownership group?!
When the A’s had competent, well funded ownership who were successful business persons, they thrived and made money in Oakland and drew large crowds.
When the A’s had COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT, UNDERFUNDED OWNERSHIP THAT REFUSED TO SPEND MONEY ON PLAYERS, STADIUM UPKEEP, HAD FIRE SALES AS SOON AS THEIR YOUNG FARM PLAYERS BECAME STARS,
THEN THOSE INCOMPETENT OWNERS LIKE FISHER DID NOT GET LOCAL SUPPORT.
Gumby82
That’s BS! The A’s have a ton of fans that packed the stadium and set attendance records for years in the late 80’s and early 90’s. After the strike 1994, they suffered a massive attendance loss, as did everyone else and then Al Davis and the Raiders ruined what was once a beautiful ballpark with his disgusting Mt. Davis wall. Then Beane played Moneyball, which was cute at first and then Fisher came in and the rest is painful
User 2161944466
The city of Oakland would have blown the revenue on something ridiculous anyway. The city is in serious trouble and we know why
CleaverGreene
Do we?
In nurse follars
Did we hear what the team will call itself? Oakland A’s, Sacramento A’s, Las Yegas A’s? Or will it be Fisher’s Barnstorming Traveling Circus?
CaseyAbell
Just looked at the picture of the park on Wikipedia. It looks like a pleasant minor league stadium. It sure looks better than that dump in Oakland, though much smaller, of course. The games will probably look better on TV, with a fuller park instead of the embarrassing acres of empty seats in the Oakland dump.
Always an A’s fan
I actually think that the new location will bring more people to the stadium. People in the Central Valley would show up for Sacramento games vs traveling to see games in Oakland. Oakland shot themselves in the head
I believe you might see sell outs for most of the games. And more season tickets
M.C.Homer
Always. Yup you are all over it. Even bay area people will make the trek. Safer in Sac.
Old York
A’s offense is going to rake.
Left field: 330 feet (101 m)
Center field: 403 feet (123 m)
Right field: 325 feet (99 m)
And almost no foul territory.
CuddyFox
The A’s need some batters to know how to play before they rake. It is hard to find anyone on the team that if they play on another team, they will be in AA.
Also, Fisher need to buy some players, because if they send this team to Vegas, he will have no fans showing up.
RGR
How long is it going to take for MLB to realize they need this guy(Fisher) gone. Hes truly embarassing the sport of baseball and will continue to do so, can anyone say hillbilly billionaire
thornt25
Why would MLB owners view this as anything other than a win? Political leadership in other MLB cities surely noticed what happened with Oakland’s hostile city council and mayor.
deathby9
Hahahahahah. Hostile in what way?
thornt25
Did you see their demands for a 3 year lease extension? Keeping the team colors, name, exclusive negotiations for MLB expansion, and a $97m exit fee?
deathby9
Also, see the vote regarding the KC stadium that happened in the past few days.
Pads Fans
Dave, why would the MLB owners view this as a win when its taking money out of all of their pockets? Most of all out of Fisher’s pocket.
In what way was Oakland hostile?
barrybonds1994
Haters gonna hate, but the A’s are about to sell out every game in Sacramento the next 3 years and get more attendance than they would in the slums of Oakland. So many die hard baseball fans in this area + tons of ppl moved from the Bay Area up this way over the past 10 years. This is part of the problem for the Giants too. Giants attendance is down and a lot of their core fan base from the 3 WS is no longer attending games as regularly as they used to, probably in part because they live near Sacramento now.
I am an SF Giants die hard fan but I’ll be a season ticket holder for the A’s next year. Will also keep my tix for SF but I only go to a handful of games anyways.
Old York
Agreed. A’s need to move. I also think MLB needs to start moving the Marlins, White Sox, Pirates, Rays & Rockies.
Whyme
Why on Earth would the Rockies be moved? They averaged over 32000 fans a game for a terrible team. You should never be in charge
M.C.Homer
Amen Barry. All so true
thornt25
They’re going to be playing in front of an excited fanbase. The players won’t have to listen to “Sell!” chants at every home game.
SportsFan0000
With that BAD ATTITUDE, prior A’s Ownership should have let the Giants move to Tampa in the 1990’s
instead of helping the Giants stay in SF and thrive.
Giants Owners are a bunch of backstabbers.
I will never buy another Giants ticket, hat, shirt or anything.
Old York
@SportsFan0000
Weren’t the Giants close to moving to Toronto in the 70s? That would have been interesting. Toronto Giants.
uvmfiji
Bring back the crab mascot
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Oakland’s government has no sense of reality. Asking between $20 and $35 million a year for rent on the Coliseum? HAHAHA, right.
I experienced their lunacy first hand on an apartment they were trying to get built near Jack London Park. They wanted the tenants to park in a deck that they controlled and we found out that dozens of cars were getting smashed into every night. We asked what was going to be done to fix that and the answer was crickets.
The city of Oakland richly deserves having all of its business and community icons flee that rat dump. Keep electing the same clowns and maybe things will change. Or not.
cwizzy6
When their options are a AAA stadium in Sac, and already have one foot out the door and their plans are delayed? Yeah, make em pay a ton. If they go to Sac, whatever. No one goes to the games anyways.
thornt25
Oakland’s political leadership salted the earth with that $97m “termination fee” proposal. No way the A’s were going to pay an exorbitant lease to play in front of a hostile fanbase.
How appealing does Oakland look for MLB expansion? I’d love to be in the room for that sales pitch.
martras
Yep. Typical MLB leases are under $5MM. The arrogance of Bay Area governments knows no bounds. They can enjoy their “$0” lease agreement now. Wonder how the taxpayers are going to enjoy the tax hike?
OaklandKAM
The city did not make money on the prior lease, it was a net giveaway.
martras
Oakland’s sales tax is 10.25%. The city made millions per year in sales taxes. Now $0 for 2025+ Athletics events.
SportsFan0000
Show how little you know about the A’s, Fisher, finance and economics.
The A’s had a rent subsidized deal in Oakland that was a money loser for the City and County.
They were going to be charged “market rates” if they were openly moving to Las Vegas.
Why would Oakland help the A’s move to LV?!
How much does the City and County pay for police, fire, infrastructure around and in the stadium?!
The A’s, Fisher, Manfred are the big financial losers here
since they forfeit their 60-70M TV deal PER YEAR if they play in Sacramento which is not in the SF Bay Area.
SF Giants who only play 81 games in SF a year have refused
to cooperate and let the A’s play in Oracle park?!
martras
Oakland’s maintenance budget for the stadium was $1MM.
The Athletics lease was $1.25-1.75MM. The city generated it’s revenue from sales tax. Have a nice day.
websoulsurfer
You are funny. The typical MLB lease is $11 million- $15 million and the teams actually pay for maintaining the park.
SportsFan0000
Says the guy who lives 3000 miles away in the slums of NY?!
OaklandKAM
All of the crap you are talking about happens in every major US city. Should the Cardinals flee St. Louis?
sports.yahoo.com/u-cities-highest-murder-rates-162…
SportsFan0000
The Rams left LA.
Took as much money as they could from St. Louis and Missouri
then went back to LA?!
The Raiders left Oakland, went to LA, went back to Oakland,
destroyed the baseball character of the Coliseum
with the new Davis seats in OF then went to LV?!
IT IS ALL ABOUT GREED AND GET AS MUCH TAXPAYERS CORPORATE WELFARE AS POSSIBLE.
IT WAS NEVER ABOUT ECONOMIC VIABILITY.
Pads Fans
How is $19.4 million they asked for on the lease $20-35 million?
What a crock about condos near Jack London Square. I had a condo right of 3rd and Washington for years. Just sold it for more than $1 million and way over asking price because that area is HOT real estate.
fenwayfrank
What a cluster F. This ownership has done everything on the cheap for years and the poor fans are left with a shoddy team and now AAA field.
MLB should step in “for the good of the game” and resolve this mess..
And by NO means should should MLB ever consider Oakland for any expansion franchise. Just my opinion.
M.C.Homer
A’s should have been in San Jose years ago.
But they gave up the rights to the Giants who selfishly will not give it back. If San Jose was available none of these shenanigans would be going on today.
Blame A’s ownership for being dumb enough to be nice to the Giants years ago when they were looking to move themselves. And I hold the Giants just as accountable for this whole debacle
kje76
Likely, the Giants got what they wanted – they will now control ALL of the Bay Area. They’re the only game in town.
fenwayfrank
agreed !! there are plenty of fannys to go around !!
martras
A’s fans haven’t supported the team in 20 years. Even after making the playoffs year after year after year in some cases, the fans still didn’t show up. The Coliseum needed replacement by 1990 and earnest efforts to get something done failed for over 20 years.
SportsFan0000
Oakland is not the problem.
The problem was MLB and Bud Selig pulling strings
to gift wrap the A’s to his college fraternity brothers
Wolf and Fisher
who ran the team and franchise into the ground
and now use MLB financial subsidies to
and whine and cry to the press and trash the good hardworking
people of Oakland and SF Bay Area
who have put millions into the pockets of MLB, Ownership,TV
etc over the years.
HYPOCRISY!
8791Slegna
I wonder if Fisher will see naming rights to the team as has been done for stadiums, i.e. RingCentral Athletics..
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
The CalPERS Athletics sponsored by Gavin Newsom for Governor. That has a nice California ring to it.
Old York
@8791Slegna
Sounds better that that NHL arena in Seattle.
dano62
I pray that Oakland/California employs eminent domain to reclaim 100 per cent rights of Coliseum rights, after all Fisher has turned his back on it…
ChuckyNJ
The Indianapolis Colts relocated from Baltimore because the state of Maryland planned to seize the NFL club through eminent domain.
Be careful for what you wish.
Don T
Shame on MLB for allowing this once great franchise to become the laughing stock of professional sports.
Old York
@Don T
MLB has been eroding the quality of the game for decades, with all the changes in rules. The ball has constantly been changing. They changed the height of the mound, changed bat size, batter’s box introduced, getting rid of the spit ball. Even in 1887, just for that one year, any BBs were recorded as walks. In 1893, the slab was moved from 50 feet to 60 feet 6 inches from rear of home plate. Move it back to 50 feet!
Bring back the rule that the game ends after the inning in which a team reached 21 runs. Tired of these 2-1 games that finish after 9 innings. Make ’em play till 21 runs.
JoeBrady
Now that the team is actually leaving Oakland, we will see if Oakland can get together with a new owner, and new stadium.
Datashark
don’t hold your breath about that. Oakland is a messed up city financially and crime ridden.
the former warriors arena and future abandon raiders/A’s stadium will become relics that will decay over time.
njbirdsfan
Thank you for parroting the regular Fox talking points.
Let us know how entire red states are doing though.
Datashark
am very familiar with Oakland, I have crossed over bums over that bridge coming from bart several times to get to stadium and very familiar with oakland and alameda county
Businesses in downtown have hired private security guards for their employees and have mailers to let employees know not to walk out in oakland without security. One of those businesses is KAISER
.
thornt25
Oakland won’t be a serious contender for the upcoming MLB expansion. If you were an ownership group, would you want to deal with that hostile political climate?
Eatdust666
True, because Portland, Charlotte and Nashville are all more likely to get an expansion team than Oakland is. However, they are definitely not the only cities that are more likely to get one.
M.C.Homer
Congratulations to the city of Sacramento. You’ll get to see some great baseball for a few years. To those who don’t live in California or have never been to Sacramento, it’s a nice city and surprisingly the capital of California. Gets a little hot in the summer for sure. Population growth there is just exploding. Not only for young families but a lot of 55 plus communities with people ready to spend money
Datashark
They will sell more seats than Oakland will for sure.
They used to have their AAA team there with a fan base that followed them. This will allow other teams to get their fans in that live here too,
deepseamonster32
First option is staying in Oakland, but I always kinda hoped they’d move to Sacramento if they ever did.
Hate that they’re planning to move on later, to Vegas which should be an oversaturated sports market by the time they get there.
Rsox
I wonder how this will effect things like licensing for video games like MLB: the Show. The Blue Jays plaid about one seasons worth of home games in Dunedin/Syracuse and neither of those stadiums could be included in the game so i wonder if the A’s moving to a AAA stadium for what will be a temporary 3 years will qualify it as a “Major League” stadium?
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Just plop them into their Hohokam spring training facility in the game. No difference.
UWPSUPERFAN77
Good posting gang! I would have just moved to Vegas now. You could build up the base while the new park is built! If I was NBC, I would give the owner zero for next year! Agree with the immanent Domain suit by city. Why should the owner get any money out of the stadium, he is fleeing. Lot of blame with lots of pain. A poet and I do not even know it!
Mikenmn
So, the “No-Name A’s”? OK.
SportsFan0000
These Actions of A’s Owner Fisher
are A COMPLETE DISGRACE to Major League Baseball, the Owners, the Players, the fans AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME.
This ACTION SHOWS A COMPLETE LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND DIRECTION IN THE MLB COMMISSIONER’S OFFICE AND OWNERSHIP OF MLB TEAMS.
IF I had a vote @ MLB Ownership meetings, this would be “the straw that broke the camel’s back”.
I would MAKE A MOTION TERMINATE COMMISSIONER MANFRED
IF HE AGREES TO THIS HAIRBRAINED PLAN THAT FISHER IS PRESENTING.
The West Sacramento stadium DOES NOT MEET MLB STANDARDS in many ways. No MLB team should ever be playing in a substandard minor league ballpark,
It tarnished the MLB brand in many ways and causes all the other MLB owners to subsidize Fisher for his gross incompetence as A’s Owner that continues with these anti fan, anti MLB baseball, anti Owners’ position,
The question I would want answered is: Does A’s Owner Fisher have compromising pictures of Commissioner Manfred with either hookers or known mobsters or criminals?!
That is how bad this complete mismanagement of Fischer and the A’s situation by Manfred, Selig and the Commissioner’s Office looks to the public and other successful business people.
If I was Tony Clark, Executive Director of the MLB Players Association, then , I would come out LOUDLY AND PUBLICLY against this crazy plan by A’s Owner John Fisher.
As my Dad used to say “this looks like the tail is wagging the dog”..
Manfred and Fisher are making MLB Owners look like complete fools
and a clown show.
If the private sector, business owners would handle a situation like this one way and quickly:
Call an MLB Owners Meeting.
1) Make a Motion for Fisher to be forced to sell the A’s to local SF Bay Area Ownership to keep the A’s in the SF Bay Area, with local, well funded New Ownership that will spend its own cash and credit to build the A’s a New stadium in the SF Bay Area.
2) Make a motion for a full vote to restore the A’s 50% of their Santa Clara County Silicon Valley territory that they LOANED TO THE SF GIANTS WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT IT WOULD BE RETURNED TO THE A’s after the SF Giants build their new ballpark and left old Candlestick Park.
(Candlestick Park was a complete dump, built in a area with excessive winds on land that was owned by a speculator wanting to make a killing on the deal, which he did) It took a long, long time to get both the 49ers and SF Giants out of Candlestick Park and into new stadiums
Fisher and Manfred HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY IN MLB AND OAKLAND..
Get a New Oakland A’s Ownership team in place quickly with an Open Bidding Process.. (Joe Lacob, *Warriors Owner and builder of privately financed New Chase Arena in SF for Warriors), OR the Reggie Jackson Group OR some other SF Bay Area billionaires. There are so many to choose from (Larry Ellison of Oracle?!).
Open up a New Public bidding process for A’s New A’s Ownership in the SF Bay Area with New stadium in SF Bay Area for A’s.
And yes, Fisher has violated numerous provisions of MLB Rules for Ownership that could be invoked to force him to sell the A’s including:
1) Does not have the cash and capital to run a successful MLB franchise and would not be approved as an MLB Owner if he were bidding on buying an MLB team at this time and had not ever owned the A’s.
2) Collecting Revenue sharing from MLB Owners for years when Fisher and A’s operated in one of the largest Media and TV markets in the country the entire time (that is in violation of MLB Rules for Owners and evidence of mismanagement of the A’s by Fisher)
JUST 2 OF MANY EXAMPLES THAT COULD BE CITED TO FORCE THE SALE OF THE A’S TO NEW, LOCAL, SF BAY AREA OWNERSHIP THAT WOULD KEEP THE A’S IN THE SF BAY AREA AND BUILD THE A’S A NEW STADIUM WITH PRIVATE FUNDS AND CREDIT.
1) Sign an new, temporary lease to play in the Oakland Coliseum until an New stadium is built in the SF Bay Area,
Some fresh cash could be invested to make the Oakland Coliseum more fan friendly, player friendly etc for the next few years while New A’s Ownership was building the A’s a New State of the Art baseball stadium for the A’s in the SF Bay Area.
New A’s Ownership with the intent on quickly building a New privately financed baseball Stadium for the A’s would attract the full cooperation of Governor Newsom and SF Bay Area officials.
Honestly, this is so straightforward that any successful business person, fan, athlete, government official(s) would quickly jump on board, work together and get this done much more quickly than the proposed Las Vegas, much smaller deal.
By the way, didn’t L:as Vegas Mayor Goodman publicly say that Fisher did not have the money and financing to hold up his end of the proposed Las Vegas Deal?!
Fisher has been rejected for financing the A’s propose project at Oakland’s Jack London Square and in Las Vegas according to reports?! How much will it cost MLB Owners and the MLB Commissioner’s Office to financially bail out Fisher, again?! Why is MLB continuing to throw more good money after bad money and bad business decisions by Fisher?!
ChuckyNJ
Shouting so much that you’ll lose your voice later if not now.
SportsFan0000
A “Win/Win” proposal could also accommodate Las Vegas and Nevada.
MLB could award Las Vegas an Expansion Franchise.
MLB could take over the financing of the New Las Vegas stadium so the stadium process is not interrupted and the New Las Vegas baseball stadium building could be timed and coordinated to be ready by the time the New Las Vegas MLB Expansion Team is up and running.
A New, well funded Las Vegas Ownership Group could be lined up to Own and Operate the Las Vegas MLB Expansion Team.
MLB could add their cost contribution to financing and construction of the New Las Vegas baseball stadium to the Franchise Fee paid by the New Ownership Group for the Las Vegas MLB expansion team (plus interest).
A possible/proposed New Name for Las Vegas Expansion Franchise
could be “The Las Vegas Road Runners”.
thornt25
The fact that other MLB owners have approved the relocation disproves everything you’re suggesting here.
SportsFan0000
YOUR POINT PROVES, ONLY, THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW BUSINESS WORKS.
BUSINESSES THAT SURVIVE AND PROSPER REVERSE COURSE WHEN PRESENTED WITH A BETTER PLAN.
BUSINESSES THAT SUCCEED AND THRIVE CHANGE COURSE WHEN THE MARKET DEMANDS IT ALL THE TIME.
THE ONES THAT DON’T LIKE: SEARS, WARDS, MALL COMPANIES BECOME FOOTNOTES AND DISAPPEAR.
thornt25
Dear Mr All Caps,
Are MLB owners actually doing what you’re suggesting, or have they unanimously approved the relocation?
SportsFan0000
Approved based on false and misleading statements
and conveniently leaving out the long history of mismanagement
by MLB Commissioners’s Office and Fisher?!
Approved based on the complete Lies by Fisher and Manfred?!
Approved after Fisher could not get financing for his share of the Jack London Square project.
In any other successful, profitable business
both Fisher and Manfred would be shown the door
by MLB Owners and told to not let the door handle hit them on their way out.
The Treachery of the SF Giants.
The campaign to make the SF Bay Area a
“monopoly” for the SF Giants in one of the biggest TV markets in the USA
Selig?
Manfred?
Fisher?
How did (Wolfe & Fisher come to own the team
(Selig’s college Fraternity Bros).
A counter proposal including ALL THE FACTS
would certainly get a vote against the A’s relocation to LV.
Pads Fans
Hey Dave Kaval aka thornt25,
We have all noticed that the MLBPA has not given their ok on you playing in Sutter Health Park yet. What are you going to do if they turn you down AGAIN like they did with your AAA park in Las Vegas?
User 2079935927
Al that verbage and 1 upvote lol
SportsFan0000
Most people read and don’t thumbs up or down many of these posts.
It is useful to GET THE REAL FACTS OUT.
and not to rely on sanitized public relations releases
from Fisher, the A’s, MLB that show only 1 narrow part of the story.
Not worried about it.
Taxpayer subsidies for pro sports facilities continues to be a big issue in cities across the country and not just in Oakland, CA
Kansas City Taxpayers just voted overwhelmingly against taxpayer subsidies for
stadium construction for the Royals (new stadium)
and for the Chiefs (massive upgrades for Arrowhead stadium).
Should both those teams move to Las Vegas or Omaha also?!
Bobcastelliniscat
As a baseball fan, As a Cincinnati Reds fan who fought Oakland in two great World Series, I feel very bad for A’s fans. You’re a great group of fans and you deserve better. I do hope you get another team down the road.
alumofuf
This team is a disgrace on and off the field. I will never cheer for them again.
enricopallazzo
Interesting that considering LV’s AAA park was clearly not a top choice all along, but a smaller park which needs even more upgrades in Sac was chosen instead.
What a S-show
OaklandKAM
It’s because Fisher only makes decisions based on short term money considerations. If he left to Vegas, he loses his plum TV deal.
SportsFan0000
Las Vegas team did not want the A’s playing in their ballpark,
Fisher’s stench and bad reputation precedes him,
GhostofRandySavage
This is really cool for Sacramento
Stormintazz
IF a deal was struck with Oakland for the Coliseum. Who says Oakland keeps there side of the upkeep of the Coliseum if they stayed. Obviously they have not since Charlie O Finley owned the team.
OaklandKAM
The A’s pay next to nothing for the lease. Fisher always wants everything as cheap as possible and to suck whatever money he can from others. The whole rushed Vegas “plan” was so he wouldn’t lose revenue sharing. Going to Sac is for free rent and to keep as much of the TV deal as possible. It’s all reactive for short term cash.
BaseballisLife
That was the reason for asking for $19.4 million. Maintenance is $7-10 million per year and the A’s haven’t been doing any for years.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Both sides really weren’t amicable after this breakup. Oakland asking for too many petty conditions and A’s owner being a greedy pig. The owners should be annoyed af at Fisher for making them look bad. Now their teams have to play in a crap minor league stadium. Everyone shouldn’t let the A’s ownership out of the dog house for this.
SportsFan0000
Oakland officials have negotiated reasonably and in good faith throughout the process.
Hard to negotiate with parties like Fisher and Manfred who appeared
to have LIED TO OAKLAND OFFICIALS
thornt25
They wanted a $97m exit fee and exclusive rights to an expansion team for a 3 year lease extension on the worst sports stadium in the country. This is neither reasonable nor good faith.
OaklandKAM
Fisher originally was sold half the Coliseum site on the premise it would insure the A’s would stay in Oakland long term. Reneged in a few short years. He is the definition of bad faith. And also total ineptitude. And also being a total cheapskate.
SportsFan0000
Again, that leaves out a lot of facts that are not reported./not posted accurately.
The Coliseum Authority and Alameda County gave Fisher a “sweetheart deal” for valuable land around the present Oakland Coliseum with the intent that Fisher and Oakland-Alameda County would be closing a New A;s Stadium deal with MLB, Manfred and Fisher .IN OAKLAND, NOT LAS VEGAS.
If the Oakland A’s New Stadium deal is dead,
then it is ONLY LOGICAL for Oakland and Alameda County
to request the land back that never would have been given to Fisher on those pro A’s pro MLB extremely favorable terms.
Manfred, MLB, A’s Fisher will forfeit 60M -70M per year by playing in W Sacramento instead of Oakland in SF Bay Area.
(180M-210M by forfeiting the Bay Area Sports TV contract.
New TV contract in Sacramento area is worth only about 10M per year.
So MLB, Manfred, A’s Fisher are leaving 150M-180M in TV revenues on the table by playing in the W Sacramento instead of Oakland in the SF Bay Area?!
VERY DUMB MOVE BY MANFRED, MLB, FISHER, THE A’s /
Pads Fans
Dave Kaval/thornt25, Why do you continue to lie? We can read. We know the facts.
There was no $97 million exit fee. There was a $19.4 million per year lease for 5 years giving you and your boss John some leeway when you completely f-up building a ballpark in Las Vegas like we all know you will.
The 3 year lease was for $60 million. Again, not an exit fee.
The fact that you are not mentioning that the lease included all the maintenance you have NOT been paying and parking fees that you have NOT been paying the JPA is typical of your lying self.
You are also not mentioning that you had signage made for Sacramento that takes weeks to produce and it was there at the announcement, but supposedly John Fisher made the decision to play in Sacramento just yesterday?
so who exactly was not negotiating in good faith?
The JPA will make more from one soccer match than they do from an entire season of A’s baseball games due to the A’s MLB low rent this season of about $1.4 million for the entire year. They also won’t have you and your boss john Fisher blocking other events from being held at the coliseum. Bringing more revenue to the JPA.
Keep on lying Dave. Its made you so trusted and respected in the industry. Maybe that is why you block responses on your Twitter account and on the A’s Twitter and you feel like you have to have burner accounts on here.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Sacto gettin another triple-A team. Hey-ohhh!!!!
Persi W
The Triple A’s
thornt25
I guess the A’s weren’t going to Oakland City Council, hat in hand, with zero leverage.
2020vision
As mismanaged as the A’s are and that they’ll be basically homeless for a few years, they ought to be called the California A’s.
aragon
oo!oo
CuddyFox
Fisher will probably take this same team to Vegas. The same batters that will be in AA on any other team. Pitchers that knows nothing about the strike zone. Coaches that try their best in a bad situation.
I think Fisher is so greedy, that he will change the name of the team to the Vegas Fishers.
THEY LIVE!!!
TrAshletics
Datashark
this article failed to mention city of Oakland demands that included keep colors and team brand – no team would ever agree to that with a long history.
thornt25
I think they dropped a lot of the more ridiculous demands in recent negotiations. MLB is not going to guarantee an expansion franchise, naming rights, or colors for a temporary 3 year lease extension. Oakland’s political leadership has excelled in silly posturing in recent years and their voters reward it.
OaklandKAM
The Browns did when Art Modell moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens. Funny thing is Dave Kaval interviewed about how upset he was as a Browns fan growing up about Modell. And then he became a two faced water carrier for a lower life version of Modell in John Fisher.
Datashark
not the same. A’s came from Philadelphia, Kansas City before Oakland, so they have no real “CLAIM” to the name nor the colors.
John Bird
Considering the talent level of the team maybe should just move the A’s to the PCL. I’m sure you could find a AAA team that’s better to replace them in the AL.
BaseballisLife
Columbus Clippers. Nashville Sounds. Both of those teams draw extremely well. Top 5 in the minors.
Or the Albuquerque Isotopes if you want to stay in western half of the country. They are topten in minor league attendance every year.
martras
This played out exactly as I expected it to play out. Bay Area government drunk on its own importance and power gets the shaft.
The players are going to have way more fun and be happier playing in Sacramento.
Pads Fans
You have never been to Sacramento in summer have you? There were days it was 110+ last summer with 80% humidity. Think Las Vegas on a river.
The Coliseum won. They have two new tenants for 2025 that will pay roughly the same amount that the Coliseum was asking the A’s to pay for 2025-2027 and they will play only 33 games p[er season there. Now the Coliseum can have concerts and other events during the baseball season.
Now if they can just get Fisher to actually PAY for the share of the site that he purchased from the county or get him to sell that so AASEG can start construction of the new stadium and arena asap.
thornt25
The A’s were being asked to pay $20m/year in the most recent offer. Is there that much money in US rugby?
Pads Fans
Dave Kaval/thornt25 There is obviously MORE per game in soccer since the A’s were being asked to pay the same amount for 81 events as the Roots/Soul are for 33.
norcalguardiansfan
Sacramento’s humidity is always very low in the summer. Maybe a couple of points higher near the river, but not much. The 110 degree temps during the day are real, though. Usually the evenings are pretty mild, so especially after the sun goes down games should be pretty comfortable.
martras
Yep. Only about 5* warmer than Denver and the moment the sun goes down, temps plummet. Denver gets a little help from the mountains that way, but it’s not like night-day between Sacramento and Denver.
Same latitude. Same humidity.
Pads Fans
You know the sign in CF above the batters eye in Sutter Health Park? Used to call them Jumbotrons. The day that we were there in August 2022 it had been 110 that day and when the game started that sign said 102 degrees on the lower right side of it. I still have the picture, because my wife said “OMG that is Billy Mckinney” when the batter for the LV Aviators led off the game. Loud enough that he turned around and tipped his batting helmet at her.
Yanks4life22
Imagine being born into one of the most prestigious/wealthiest families in America, being handed almost every advantage one can be given in this world…..
And you’re such an F-up that you run a business that literally prints millions by existing into the ground which forces you to close up shop and have big brother bail you out and start over somewhere else.
Like imagine if John Fisher were born to an average middle class family……he’d probably be hooked on fentanyl and have charges against him for stealing his grandmothers Buick.
whyhayzee
Oh, I thought you were talking about someone else.
Sabermetric Acolyte
This whole thing has been a bad joke on both sides and it seems like both sides treated it like a bad joke. Either way, gotta feel for the fanbase. This is a team whose owners haven’t really cared for a while and won’t likely commit any real resources for another 3 years minimum. For that matter gotta imagine the players on that team are going to have the worst morale in the league. Gonna be a while before they’re out of the cellar.
Thornton Mellon
The city shares some blame but I have to put the majority on Fisher. There is no way that any baseball team loses money these days, as there are prospective billionaires waiting in line for a current owner to sell and take their profits or die.
But baseball needs to fix the Athletics formally known as Oakland (that’s the best one I’ve heard, like Prince lol) before it can think about expanding. That, and Tampa and the other “struggling” clubs.
I think the well of public funding to support the exploding economics in baseball (and all sports, look at Kansas City voting down the tax for Arrowhead) is drying up. You already made the public mad by increasing ticket prices 10 fold and now you build smaller stadiums because it costs too much for most people to go.
youngliam
I’ll laugh when Las Vegas tells him to “shove it” and the A’s are stuck with nowhere to go.
BaseballisLife
I think its going to come down to Fisher’s lack of ability to find financing. When he can’t get the financing to build the stadium in Las Vegas, what does MLB do?
Pads Fans
At 7:46 AM there was A’s signage up in Sutter Health Park already. Signage that had no Sacramento or Oakland on it and that costs upwards of $40k and 2-3 weeks to make and hang.
So this was all BS. This agreement as in place long ago and Fisher’s “negotiations” with Oakland were complete lies.
I for one will be glad to see him go. The $200 million loss in income paired with his lack of ability to secure financing to build in Las Vegas means that in 2-3 years Fisher will be forced to sell the A’s. That is the best possible outcome from all of this.
thornt25
Oakland’s starting offer included a $97m exit fee, Oakland keeping naming rights, exclusive MLB expansion negotiations. Followup offer was $60m/3yr. That gap was never getting closed without it being embarrassing for the city council. Oakland’s politicians are either delusional or just posturing. Not a surprise that the Sac deal has been in place for multiple days or weeks.
SportsFan0000
You left out many of the facts and only present the Fisher/Manfred perspective.
The so called “exit fee” appears may be money for reimbursement for some of the value of the Coliseum land made available to Fisher @ way below market value with the understanding that Fisher would finance and build a New A’s stadium in Oakland.
Once again, Fisher did not do that.
Fisher and Manfred do not keep their word and cannot be trusted to negotiate in good faith,.
West Sacramento and Las Vegas better both “watch their backs”
since both Fisher and Manfred have PROVE THEMSELVES TO BE UNTRUSTWORTHY AND DO NOT KEEP THEIR WORDS AND/OR AGREEMENTS.
Would not be surprised to see Fisher, Manfred and MLB sued to recoup the value of that Coliseum land and on other issues related to their complete mismanagement of the A’s in Oakland and the SF Bay Area.
Oakland attempting to “Lock in” the commitment for an MLB expansion team is a smart move while they still have the leverage..
That is what smart, successful businesses, organizations and governments do all the time.
The “backdoor” negotiations with Sacramento proves, once again,
that Fisher and Manfred lied, again, and cannot be trusted to keep their words and close a deal with Oakland officials on reasonable terms.
Pads Fans
Dave Kaval/thornt25, why do you keep repeating the same lies?
Pads Fans
Dave Kaval/thornt25, Since you keep repeating the same lie, I will repeat the facts
There was no $97 million exit fee. There was a $19.4 million per year lease for 5 years giving you and your boss John some leeway when you completely f-up building a ballpark in Las Vegas like we all know you will.
The 3 year lease was for $60 million. Again, not an exit fee.
The fact that you are not mentioning that the lease included all the maintenance you have NOT been paying and parking fees that you have NOT been paying the JPA is typical of your lying self.
You are also not mentioning that you had signage made for Sacramento that takes weeks to produce and it was there at the announcement, but supposedly John Fisher made the decision to play in Sacramento just yesterday?
so who exactly was not negotiating in good faith?
The JPA will make more from one soccer match than they do from an entire season of A’s baseball games due to the A’s MLB low rent this season of about $1.4 million for the entire year. They also won’t have you and your boss john Fisher blocking other events from being held at the coliseum. Bringing more revenue to the JPA.
Keep on lying Dave. Its made you so trusted and respected in the industry. Maybe that is why you block responses on your Twitter account and on the A’s Twitter and you feel like you have to have burner accounts on here.
Manfred’s playing with the balls
A’s are doing everything they can to not endure themselves to Las Vegas fans. They don’t care about the city, they only care about a few more bucks.
baseballteam
Or endear.
Enrico Pallazzo
Absolute disgrace to the sport to have a team playing in a stadium like that for 3 years. I know that the coliseum is a pile of crap because I grew up going to games there. That’s not the solution either. This should have been figured out with the city of Oakland and a new stadium should have been built at one of other proposed sites. Fisher never made a real effort to make sure those deals got done. He very well had the power to do so. He should be forced to sell the team. His whole plan to derail the team to force a move is so cartoonishly obvious.. If it were up to me he would also be dragged through the streets of oakland and beaten within an inch of his pathetic life and then banished to the depths of outer space. Preferably in one of those 2D prison things from Superman II
thornt25
1) If Fisher sold the team tomorrow, would the new ownership group stay in Oakland?
2) When MLB expands, will Oakland be one of the cities?
The answer to 1 and 2 should be the same.
OaklandKAM
Joe Lacob has said many times he would buy the A’s and build a park in Oakland. Fisher is a spoiled little loser boy who has done nothing but run the franchise into the ground. Blaming Oakland is a pure excuse from a failed business person who has zero skill in business and only got his wealth from being born.
Jimbo_Jones
Could be more about CA in general.
SportsFan0000
You could be wrong:
Many new, successful stadiums have been built in CA
1) Sofi Rams & Chargers) (private financing)
2) Intuit Dome Clippers (private financing)
3) Case Center Warriors (private financing)
4) Levis Stadium 49ers (also offered to Raiders) private/public financing
5) Petco Park Padres private & public financing
6) Oracle Park Giants private & public financing
Approved Deals allegedly SABOTAGED BY MLB COMMISSIONER, Fisher, SF Giants
Cisco Field San Jose/Santa Clara County
Laney Field Alameda County
Jack London Square Waterfront Deal Oakland
Oakland Coliseum site Oakland(build new stadium in parking lot and demolish old Coliseum when new stadium completed (let Citi Field/Mets in NY was done).
Pads Fans
Dave Kaval/thornt25, yes. You know that you have a standing offer from Lacob and that he has said publicly that he would build at Howard Terminal. Why do you keep pushing the same lies on here? We know who you are. Its not working.
Thornton Mellon
Mr. Pallazzo
I believe the prison was called the Phantom Zone, an alternative dimension created on Krypton that served as a prison for Krypton’s worst criminals.
Read that again in the Comic Book Guy’s voice and it will make more sense.
dasit
293 comments and only 71 of them mention sidewalk poop. progress!
Goin' to Sheetz
No one in Vegas will care about the A’s either. The locals are starting to get antsy that Fisher won’t pony up the dough. The Tropicana keeps having to jump through hoops. Manfred should (but won’t) force Fisher to sell and Lacob could keep a team in Oakland and make them competitive,
BlueSkies_LA
Only the other owners can force a sale, and they won’t do that so long as the current owner meets the financial standards of franchise ownership. The only example of a forced sale in recent history was the result of a franchise in bankruptcy, and it was essentially out of MLB’s hands. So fantasize away about what the commissioner should do, because a fantasy is all it is.
SportsFan0000
Frank McCourt was forced to sell the Dodgers when
messy divorce legal filings uncovered complete mismanagement of the Dodgers, looting of the Dodgers finances for personal use,
revealed McCourt was unfit owner personally and financially.
Rangers, Astros and other teams owners were forced to sell.
Open the A’s books.
It will reveal that Fisher is not financially qualified to bid on and/or own an MLB franchise and should be removed.
Evidence includes major MLB revenue sharing subsidies for
an MLB team operating in one of the biggest richest TV markets in the country.
Evidence includes Fisher unable to qualify for financing of a new stadium in very rich SF Bay Area.
Evidence indicates that Fisher is in “way over his head” as Owner of the A’s.
BlueSkies_LA
You really don’t need to explain the McCourt situation to longtime Dodger fans. We lived it. How Frank and Jamie managed to run the franchise into bankruptcy is less important than the fact that they did, and this is what forced the sale of the team ultimately. Bankruptcy also forced the sale of the Rangers. I don’t find where MLB ever forced the sale of the Astros, only that the purchase by Crane was made contingent on moving the team from the NL to AL.
As close as I think you’ll find to a “forced” sale for any other reason was Marge Schott being suspended from her management of the Reds for her repeated bigoted tirades. She finally agreed to sell her share of the franchise.
No franchise will ever open their books except to MLB. So that’s just more fantasy thinking. MLB and nobody else decides who is financially qualified. We as fans have no actual evidence of a franchise owner’s finances.
BaseballisLife
2 franchises already open their books because the are owned by public corporations and have to by law.
BlueSkies_LA
Public corporations don’t actually open their books, they release financial reports. They don’t tell all. But no matter because very few sports franchises are public corporations. The A’s certainly are not.
Already dealt with McCourt and Schott. Did you miss the post somehow?
SportsFan0000
They will and do open their books in Court Actions like bankruptcy Courts and Divorce Courts.
And when they do, it often reveals lies, wrongdoing, mismanagement, diverting team revenues for personal use.
The Mets (Wilpons) should have been forced to sell their team when they blew a great deal of money with Bernie Madoff, fell below the financial qualifying threshold to own an MLB team.
But, Selig and MLB bailed out the Mets/ Wilpons allowing them to use team profits to refill their family’s financial coffers. They did not spend substantial money on team payroll for years in the top TV market in the country and fielded lousy teams while pocketing the profits from team revenues.
BlueSkies_LA
Bankruptcy is a whole different animal. The books of the company aren’t made public but they are open to the court. All previous contractual obligations are essentially voided and the court decides which creditor gets how much. One of the reasons the buyers of the Dodgers made out so well with their new media contract is the court suspended some of MLB’s rules for revenue sharing.
Anyway, I think there’s a lack of appreciation of the fact that MLB is one business with 30 owners. So yes, they will bend over backwards to keep one of their owners solvent. Good luck telling them what they should do. Get real about it, is my recommendation.
SportsFan0000
Most bankruptcy records are made public.
MLB has forced sales of the Astros, Rangers, Dodgers and other clubs.
The Mets could have been a forced sale after Ownership invested with Bernie Madoff and experienced very serious cash flow problems.
BlueSkies_LA
Repeating the same wrong things does not make them right.
BaseballisLife
Marge Shott. McCourt.
Skeptical
Note that a lawsuit brought by the teachers union concerning spending public funds for the stadium is still working its way through the Nevada court system. I believe the State Supreme Court hears oral arguments on April 9th.
SportsFan0000
Nevada State Constitution may have been violated that could VOID the deal to use public funding for a new baseball stadium in LV
pulling the plug on the LV A’s stadium deal.
OaklandKAM
Despite 20 years of pro sports inflation, John Fisher never topped the modest $66 million contract Eric Chavez signed back in 2004. Fisher being a total cheapskate has always been a huge part of the problem.
BleedGreen
Not sure if to sell off all my merch on Ebay or burn it.
mynameispepe
without taking sides on the whole “”city of Oakland vs owner” debate, it is sad to see the A’s leave Oakland. I am a Blue Jays fan, but for whatever reason I have a lot of respect and admiration for that franchise and the great players that played there.
letsgooakland123
Question: with the team generically named “Athletics” and “A’s”, what’ll this site refer to them as in the 2024 Offseason in Review?
Offseason in Review: Athletics?
Offseason in Review: The Athletics?
Offseason in Review: Sacramento Athletics?
One of the least important things in this development but I’m interested.
BlueSkies_LA
You missed one possibility: the Erehwon Athletics.
depletion
A 14,000 (actually 10,000) seat stadium is an embarrassment for MLB. I don’t care if this is Fisher’s fault, City of Oakland’s fault, or anyone else’s. The other owners and Manfred should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to work out in this fashion.
User 4095290658
My thoughts, exactly. It’s two bit amateur hour stuff from a league that people around the world view as the pioneer of mass sports entertainment.
I don’t think MLB understands the damage they’re doing to the collective product.
2012orioles
Embarrassing for the league. As a side note, the A’s have a top 3 jersey in the league. I will deeply miss those if those change.
Asfan0780
Just no oakland on jersey but still have A’s and athletics logos and same colors but obviously still not the same. I got back into hat collection several years ago invested probably thousand dollars buying current A’s hats pretty regularly and also bought more vintage items like starter jackets and few hats from 80s and 90s I’ll still keep the vintage items but it’s looking like wasted money at this point
Dock_Elvis
I have a couple seats out in RF for the final game in Oakland. My son, Magic Sam, and I are going to fly in. Lots of special memories with the A’s. I’d like to meet some of the drummers and others I’ve gotten to know.
good vibes only
What an absolute joke of an organization. The league should be ashamed of themselves.
aragon
Dummies!
LordD99
A disaster from beginning to end.
MLB should have a system in place to remove bad ownership. Strange that the large-market teams don’t demand it since the national TV contracts exist only because of the major markets, yet revenue is shared equally. Even a large percentage of local revenue gets divided up. What do the A’s bring to the table?
James1955
The owners voted 30-0 to approve the move. The teams don’t share the revenue equally. The big market teams get more revenue than the small market teams.
BaseballisLife
26-0. Fisher didn’t get a vote and 2 owners didn’t vote, San Diego and Baltimore.
Dock_Elvis
MLB bought the Montreal Expos. There’s precedent. It’s just that Manfred has a goal of destroying good PR whenever he smells it.
Rsox
The death knell for the city of Oakland
Non Roster Invitee
What a joke for MLB and the MLBPA.
Oakland has lost 3 major sports franchises in jus six years.
I don’t believe their stadium in Vegas will be ready either.
Instead of tens of thousands of empty seats for each home game there will only be just thousands.
A’s Red Sox game drew 6,000 the other day.
SportsFan0000
SF Bay Area did not lose the Warriors.
The Warriors play only 15-20 minutes away in SF in the SF Bay Area where the originated decades ago.
The Raiders are very nomadic and have moved cities multiple times. Abd Fisher’s stupidity and obstinance with the land situation around the Coliseum was instrumental in the Raiders leaving according to Raiders Owner Mark Davis.
The A’s were sabotaged by The SF Giants, by MLB, by Fisher in SF Bay Area and could have easily had a stadium in SF Bay Area
if MLB, Manfred, Selig, the SF Giants and Fisher had made
more reasonable efforts to keep the A’s in the SF Bay Area
Many deals were on the table.
MLB, Selig, Manfred and the Giants sabotaged most of them
Non Roster Invitee
Oakland was specifically mentioned, not the “Bay Area
The Raiders left because of the A’s lease that prohibited the Raiders to make upgrades they wanted.
The Warriors left because their brand was losing $ due being in a city that has a very negative image.
The mayor of Oakland and their representatives overplayed their hand. Tha A’s owner will have to shell out millions to temporarily relocate. How a deal was not hammered out is interesting.
SportsFan0000
Re Read post above.
Oakland is in the SF Bay Area.
It is a Region.
It generates more than 650B GDP per year just for that SF Bay Area Region and more than most countries.
If Fisher cannot make it there, then he cannot make it anywhere.
Is New York City not fit to have pro football teams since both of its Regional teams play in New Jersey?!
And, New York City also lost the Giants and the Dodgers?!
Has someone declared NYC not fit for professional sports
teams because at least 4 pro teams have relocated out of NYC?!
I don’t think so!
Many more examples.
Non Roster Invitee
Oakland is in California the 5th highest GDP in the world. So what I said Oakland has lost 3 professional sports franchises in 6 years. Stop trying to change that.
SportsFan0000
Oakland lost those franchises to GREED AND BAD SPORTS OWNERSHIP.
It was Fisher who drove the Raiders out of Oakland and not the City of Oakland (Google it).
Raiders were offered a “shared stadium” in Santa Clara with 49ers.
So, it was Mark Davis’s choice, not the fault of SF Bay Area.
The Warriors started playing in SF, moved to a New Coliseum Arena in Oakland for a few decades, then moved back to SF to Chase Center in SF
a few years ago only a 15-20 minute drive or BART train ride away
so they did not leave CA or SF Bay Area.
azcm2511
Wonder why they didn’t pursue a minor league park in vegas? Seems to me if a comparable venue and financial deal was available it would have made more sense.
BaseballisLife
Azcm, the MLBPA said no to the AAA park in Las Vegas. They also said no to Hohokam Park in Phoenix area.
Melchez17
Duh A’s.
gary55wv
MLB leadership, team ownership, player unions, and sports agents all suck. Why do I like baseball so much?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Brainwashed by WWII movies…it’s un-American to not support baseball, mom and apple pie….
User 4223176798
This is not good for baseball. Owners should step in and take away his team. They won’t. It’s clear now that Fischer wants to develop that Coliseum property as he owns 50%. He never had plans to stay.
BaseballisLife
He can’t develop it and he can’t sell that 50% share without the city of Oakland’s permission. Oakland gets to choose who buys that from Fisher.
SportsFan0000
Boycott the Tampa/SF Giants!!!
The SF Backstabbers were saved for SF Bay Area fans by former A’s Owner Walter Haas Jr with an assist from Dodgers Owner O’Malley.
The SF Backstabbers were “loaned” the A’s share of the Santa Clara County/San Jose territory in the SF Bay Area to use it to secure a New Giants stadium in San Jose/Santa Clara County.
A’s Owner Hass Jr,. stated publicly that the A’s expected their share of the territory that they temporarily LOANED TO SF GIANTS) back after the Giants built their new stadium in Santa Clara County/San Jose.
Giants built their new stadium in downtown San Francisco
and then refused to give the A’s back their Santa Clara County/San Jose territory as agreed when the A’s helped save the Giants for the SF Bay Area.
No reason for the Giants to refuse to give the A’s back their territory
and to block numerous new A’s stadium deals in the SF Bay Area over the years/
Commissioners Selig and Manfred also have very “dirty hands”
in SABOTAGING THE A’s in the SF Bay Area.
luca brasi
The way MLB has allowed John Fisher to destroy the Oakland Athletics franchise and crap on all of its fans is a black stain on the sport that will not be soon forgotten. Any municipality that is clamoring for a team should step back and think long and hard about getting involved with MLB.
YankeesBleacherCreature
No city moniker. Lol. Fisher didn’t even bother to hire a brand strategist for the interim.
Dock_Elvis
Right….like he couldn’t get that road Sacramento gray jersey sold. Whats he thinking not maxing the grift?
Dock_Elvis
Fisher will run the Las Vegas A’s like the Washington Generals. They’ll be the patsy for whatever team is coming to town for the tourists/fans of visiting teams. Showed no desire to compete in Oakland, and now will do it in a hot summer city with MASSIVE night life options.
I’m not sure they get to Vegas to be very real. I could see this team stalling out in Sacramento and being foisted on citizens of Salt Lake City, Portland, or perhaps even Sacramento. We’re a LONG way from first pitch in Vegas.
franklinstubbsghost
This whole A’s situation is embarrasing for MLB. The situation in Tampa isn’t much better. The NFL would not tolerate this, but then their leadership makes Rob Manfred and his cronies look pathetic and weak.
briar-patch thatcher
St. Petersburg (not in Tampa proper) will soon be devoid of a baseball franchise, much like Oakland.
Eatdust666
Rob Manfred and his cronies ARE pathetic and weak
The Saber-toothed Superfife
The support gambling and soccer and are.part.of a conspiracy to ruin baseball and upend American leadership esp WASPs.
rodcarew
This is just a sad, sad end to a once proud organization.
luca brasi
The boot, licking moron, who hosts the A’s post game radio show advise the fans today to forget about what John Fisher has done to them, and just be happy. He told them to move on and smile. His suggestion was the equivalent of a husband who has cheated on her wife, telling her to just relax, and forget about the fact that he had destroyed their family, it’s not worth getting a stroke over. it never ceases to amaze me how bad actors always claim their victims anger towards them is unreasonable.
Craigs Checkbook
Can’t even pay 20m per year with 5-6k fans in the stands…I saw the attendance and just started laughing….more like a HS Team.
SportsFan0000
Former A’s Owner Walter Haas Jr actually gave his young star players contract extensions, signed some free agents, had his GMs make some competitive trades and put pennant contending teams on the field.
The A’s broke a regular season attendance record for one game with over 56,000 fans in a regular season game and in a playoff game.
“If you build a competitive team and keep your stadium up to par and “fan friendly”, then the fans will come to watch winning baseball in Oakland.
SF Bay Area has very many entertainment options.
Your business, beit MLB baseball, Warriors basketball, NFL football must field a competitive team to be successful in the major, lucrative markets.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
They should just move to Borrow,AK.
That way, the Tigers will have a place to trade Javier Baez to…..
Letsplaytwotomorrow
Major league black eye for MLB.
SportsFan0000
A’s Owner Fisher is worse than former Dodgers Owner Frank McCourt
and “hands down” the worst team owner in MLB and pro sports.
MLB Commissioners Manfred and Selig have been WEAK and COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT MISMANAGING the A’s situation FOR DECADES.
If the Owners would HIRE A COMPETENT MLB Commissioner, then Fisher would never have been approved as an MLB Owner.
OR, if MLB could admit it made a very bad mistake with Fisher
and forced him to sell the team to one of the many well funded, billionaires in the SF Bay Area then the A’s would have had a New stadium in the SF Bay Area long ago..
MLB did this to themselves,’
The decisions to hire Selig and then Manfred were bad decisions.
It lead to a train wreck of errors and bad decisions by MLB Commissioners and Owners with regards to the Oakland A’s New stadium proposals and the A’s economic viability in the SF Bay Area.
Fisher, Selig and Manfred have cost MLB and Owners 100’s of millions in revenue sharing dollars and, perhaps, a similar amount of money in deflated revenues.
And. Selig, Manfred and MLB Ownership have DAMAGED THE MLB BRAND
the way they completely mismanaged the Oakland A’s situation.
This A’s FIASCO is not on Oakland, not on California officials. The full blame rests on MLB, Commissioners, Fisher and the SF Giants.
Numerous New, professional sports stadiums have been built in California while M:LB, Commissioners and Owners have, REPEATEDLY, MISMANAGED the A’s situation and have REPEATEDLY “DROPPED THE BALL/COMMITTED INEXCUSABLE ERRORS”
AND/ OR INTENTIONALLY SABOTAGED THE A’s VIABILITY AND SUCCESS IN OAKLAND AND IN THE SF BAY AREA.
SportsFan0000
NEW CALIFORNIA STADIUMS AND ARENAS BUILT WHILE MLB FUMBLED NUMEROUS A’S SF BAY AREA NEW STADIUM PROPOSALS
1) Petco Park MLB (Padres San Diego) private/public partnership
2) Levis Stadium NFL (49ers Santa Clara private/public partnership).
(Raiders offered “shared stadium deal, turned it down)
3) Oracle Park MLB (SF Giants downtown SF) privately financed
4) Golden 1 Center NBA (Sacramento Kings moved from KC)
(private/public partnership)
5) SOFI Stadium NFL (LA Rams & Chargers (SOFI stadium privately
financed)
6) Chase Center NBA (Warriors downtown SF privately financed)
7) Intuit Dome NBA (LA Clippers privately financed)
8) Paypal Center MLS Soccer (San Jose Earthquakes 100% private financing and Lew Wolfe former A’s partnership Owner with Fisher agreed to pay 100% stadium maintenance)
9) BMO (Bank of Montreal) Stadium MLS (Soccer LA private financing
10) Snapdragon Stadium San Diego State football
(former Qualcomm stadium site self financed with revenue bonds)
11) Crypto Com Arena NBA (formerly Staples Center private/public partnership: 82% private funds (pro teams) 18 % public funds )
SportsFan0000
Paypal Stadium San Jose (Soccer) was constructed privately with no public money provided by the city of San Jose. Additionally, Lewis Wolff, owner of the San Jose Earthquakes, offered to pay for the maintenance of the stadium for a 55-year time span.
Lewis Wolfe was Fisher’s former A’s Ownership Partner with the A’s who sold out his interest to Fisher who tanked the A’s and sabotaged A’s stadium deals in the SF Bay Area.
SportsFan0000
The stadium was constructed privately with no public money provided by the city of San Jose. Additionally, Lewis Wolff, owner of the San Jose Earthquakes, offered to pay for the maintenance of the stadium for a 55-year time span.
Lew Wolfe was Fisher’s former partner with the A’s who sold out his interest to Fisher.
Did Fisher “purposely” “tank the A’s like Major League the Movie
to move the franchise and “flip it” for a financial windfall?!
Lew Wolfe (Fisher’s ex A’s Partner) agreed to pay 100% maintenance for SJ Soccer team in their new stadium
It certainly looks like Fisher acted completely in “bad faith”
and was not negotiating in “good faith”.
It appears Fisher’s plan was to drive down the expenses while increasing the value of the A’s as much as possible, fire sale all the great young star A’s players, spend way below the minimum in maintenance costs for the roster and the Oakland Coliseum maintenance, pad his bank account with MLB revenue sharing in one of the top TV markets in the country
and then move the A’s to LV for huge windfall profits when he
flips the A’s to local Las Vegas Ownership in a few years.
Fisher even suckered MLB Commissioner and Owners
to waive the customary MLB “relocation fee” of 400M + to move an MLB team to a new city.
What a guy!
uvmfiji
What do the Oakland A’s look like over the past 50 years without PEDs? Organization has been a non-stop nuisance to MLB. FIFTY YEARS!!!
SportsFan0000
Hey “cheap shot” ,
The Dynastic A’s of won 3 straight World Series Titles in 72-73-74 in Oakland.
And, the A’s won another Championship during the “Earthquake Series”. for a total of 4 A’s World Series Titles in Oakland during that time.
Their Rivals the SF Giants won zero titles during that time period,
but, later they won 3 Titles in the SF Bay Area.
MLB teams with the Most Wins from the 1970’s to 2024
1) Yankees
2) Dodgers
3) Red Sox
4) Cardinals
5) Braves
6)Athletics
MLB Teams that have won 3 or more World Series in a Row:
1) New York Yankees
three in a row ’98-‘2000
four in a row ’36-’39
five in a row ’49-’53
Oakland Athletics
3 in a row ’72-’74
MLB Teams with the Most World Series Titles in MLB History
1) New York Yankees 27
2) St. Louis Cardinals 11
3) TIED Athletics 9
3) TIED Red Sox 9
5) Giants 8
6) Dodgers 7
7) TIED Pirates 5
7) TIED Reds 5
9) TIED Tigers 4
9) TIED Braves 4
10) TIED White Sox 3
10) TIED White Sox 3
10) TIED Twins/Senators 3
10) TIED Orioles 3
10) TIED Cubs 3
The Athletics /A;’s are one of the most storied franchises in MLB history.
Are you working for Selig?! Manfred?!, MLB Commissioners Office?!
The SF Giants?!
Or are you just an ignorant Troll?!
The Performance Enhancing supplements/steroids era affected all MLB teams,
It was up to Commissioner Bud Selig (at that time), Owners and MLB Club officials to crackdown on abuses, tighten rules,
enforce existing MLB Rules on performance enhancing supplements and drugs.
The Commissioner’s office, Team Owners, Team officials, players all knew what was going on during that “Steroids Era.
But, it was after the strike, attendance was down,
Unfortunately, nothing was done about it.
Commissioner’s Officer (BUD SELIG)and Owners wanted to get attendance and revenues back up after the baseball strike and many fans had drifted away from watching and attending games
So, BUD SELIG “looked the other way” and let players “juice up” , increase, home runs, scoring etc…
It was not the fault of the Oakland A’s of that era since all teams were doing for that short, steroids era time.
” Because there was no testing or repercussions for using PEDs until 2003, many players used them in the 1990s. This era became known as The Steroids Era.
Baseball was struggling in 1994, as the Major League Baseball Players Association (MLBPA) went on strike when the teams’ owners attempted to install a salary cap”
SportsFan0000
THE BUD SELIG STEROIDS ERA WAS A BLACK EYE ON MLB
AND CAUSED GREAT SCANDAL IN MLB.
IT WAS NOT THE FAULT OF THE OAKLAND A’s.
IT HAPPENED THROUGHOUT MLB.
uvmfiji
1976-2024. 49 seasons, I was off by one season.
SportsFan0000
Your “facts” are way off!
The history of the Athletics Major League Baseball franchise spans the period from 1901 to the present day, having begun as a charter member franchise in the new American League in Philadelphia before moving to Kansas City in 1955 for 13 seasons and then to the San Francisco Bay in Oakland, California, in 1968.
SportsFan0000
Re Read posts above.
A’s won 3 Straight World Series Championships IN OAKLAND
in ’72, ’73, ’74.
You are stating that the A’s moved to SF Bay Area/Oakland in ’76?! Do some fact checking!
Your statements blaming the A’s for all of MLB’s problems
ARE EQUALLY FALSE, MISLEADING AND DO NOT PASS FACT CHECKING/
IS THAT YOU BUD SELIG OR MANFRED?!
uvmfiji
The Oakland A’s have been a disgrace for the last 49 seasons. They were terrible during those 49 seasons except for the time that they were on steroids. Time to move this team that has been terrible for the last 49 seasons to another market. Let’s call the last 49 seasons #postreggie if that is helpful in remembering how awful the Oakland Athletics have been for the past 49 seasons off illegal drugs.
SportsFan0000
YOU AND YOUR POSTS ARE A DISGRACE TO THIS FORUM.
590 comments and most of them are not fooled by you John, Fisher, Dave Kaval, Bud Se;lig, Rob Manfred or your paid trolls.
Smart baseball fans have bullsheet detectors that light up and blink wildly when your disgraceful posts and comments are added to the many very intelligent, insightful, well researched and well informed comments on this forum, for the most part.
Your comments prove that you have not read the vast majority of comments here and that your comments are completely irrelevant to this discussion and just flat out wrong and that you are too lazy to fact check your completely absurd comments.
IT IS LOOKING LIKE THE A’S LAS VEGAS STADIUM FUNDING MAY BE PUT ON THE BALLOT.
LAS VEGAS AND NEVADA VOTERS ARE POLLED AS REJECTING PUBLIC FUNDS FOR A NEW BASEBALL STADIUM IN LAS VEGAS BY 60%.
THE PUBLIC FUNDING BALLOT INITIATIVE FOR THE MLB ROYALS AND 2X in a row Super Bowl Champion KC Chiefs
FAILED BY OVER 60%.
IT IS NOT JUST OAKLAND AND/OR THE SF BAY AREA.
THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY DOES NOT SUPPORT CORPORATE WELFARE FOR BILLIONARE SPORTS TEAM OWNERS..
IF YOU HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE THE CASH AND CREDIT TO BUILD YOUR OWN
BUILDING FOR YOUR SPORTS TEAM.
“GET A CLUE”!
IT IS INCREDIBLE THAT THEY HAVE THE GALL TO
ASK NON BASEBALL AND BASEBALL FANS TO PAY FOR THEIR CORPORATE BUILDING.
“SOCIALIZE THE RISK AND PRIVATIZE THE GAINS?!
NO T HANKS!
SportsFan0000
Note well: The A’s did not win any World Series Titles during
MLB’s 1990’s “Steroids Era”.