March 14: Cole is meeting with Dr. ElAttrache today, tweets Bryan Hoch of MLB.com. Manager Aaron Boone expects more information on his status this evening, although that doesn’t ensure that the Yankees will publicly disclose an update tonight.
March 13: Reigning American League Cy Young Award winner Gerrit Cole will miss at least the first month or two of the season due to an elbow injury, report Jon Heyman and Mark Sanchez of the New York Post. Cole underwent an MRI earlier this week after experiencing difficulty recovering between spring starts and throwing sessions. The Yankees haven’t made a formal announcement on the injury or a timetable yet. Heyman reports that initial imaging on Cole’s right elbow has not detected a ligament tear, though there’s some inflammation and swelling still present. Cole’s MRI has been reviewed by multiple parties, including renowned surgeon Dr. Neal ElAttrache. Per the report, ElAttrache did not see a ligament tear but nonetheless suggested an in-person visit to personally examine Cole.
While it’s a sigh of relief that early imaging didn’t reveal a major tear, the fact that Cole is going for further testing remains an ominous sign. Inflammation can at times be substantial enough that it masks structural damage. Only time will tell whether that’s the case with Cole. Regardless, to call even an absence of roughly four to eight weeks for Cole a major blow for the team would only be stating the obvious. The 33-year-old righty is on the short list of baseball’s best and — until now — most durable pitchers. Furthermore, the Yankees’ rotation behind Cole is rife with question marks.
New York signed right-hander Marcus Stroman to a two-year, $37MM deal in the offseason, but Stroman’s All-Star 2023 season was cut short by second-half injuries — a hip issue and rib cartilage fractures. He was sporting an ERA in the low-2.00s for much of the season but was hit rocked in July while pitching through the hip injury and struggled down the stretch after returning from what wound up being an extended absence due to the rib troubles.
Lefties Carlos Rodon and Nestor Cortes were both limited to fewer than 65 innings in 2023, and neither pitched anywhere close to his 2021-22 form. Rodon’s season was particularly alarming, given that he’d pitched at Cy Young-caliber levels the prior two years and inked a six-year, $162MM deal with the Yankees just last offseason. A forearm strain and hamstring strain combined to limit Rodon to 64 1/3 innings — during which time he posted a 6.85 ERA with a 22.4% strikeout rate that was 11.5 percentage points shy of his ’21-’22 rate. Cortes, meanwhile, twice hit the IL with a strained rotator cuff in his left shoulder. His 4.97 ERA in 63 1/3 innings was more than double the 2.44 number he’d posted the year prior.
Right-hander Clarke Schmidt was the only other Yankees pitcher to make even 20 starts last year. He took the ball for a full slate of 32 games, pitching 159 innings with a 4.64 earned run average. Schmidt’s 21.5% strikeout rate was below the league average, but his 6.6% walk rate was strong and his 43.8% grounder rate, which clocked in a couple percentage points ahead of the average starting pitcher. Schmidt was too homer-prone (1.36 HR/9) but at least looked like he could give the Yankees around five competitive innings every fifth day, which could prove crucial with Cole shelved for a notable period and several injury question marks alongside him on the starting staff.
The Yankees traded away a significant amount of rotation depth when dealing Michael King, Jhony Brito and Randy Vasquez to the Padres as part of the Juan Soto trade. Remaining in-house options for the now-vacant rotation spot include young righties Clayton Beeter, Luis Gil and Yoendrys Gomez — all three of whom are on the 40-man roster. Veteran righty Luke Weaver inked a one-year, $2MM deal and was expected to serve as a swingman, but he has ample starting experience in the majors and pitched well in three September starts for the Yanks last year. Top prospects Chase Hampton and Will Warren were both invited to camp as non-roster players, but neither is on the 40-man roster.
Of course, the possibility remains that the Yankees will go outside the organization to bring in a more established arm. Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery remain unsigned, but the 110% luxury tax the team would pay on top of either player’s salary could prove exorbitant. Snell, in particular, would also cost the Yankees their second-highest draft choice in 2024 and require them to forfeit $1MM in bonus space from next year’s international amateur free agency pool. Ownership’s appetite for signing either player will now be tested. If not them, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic wrote last night that righty Michael Lorenzen “could be an option” for the Yankees, though it’s not clear if the two parties have had any serious talks recently.
The trade market offers at least one more marquee name, and that seems to be the Yankees’ current area of focus. GM Brian Cashman and his staff have reportedly already presented the White Sox with a new offer for top starter Dylan Cease, though they’re joined by both the Rangers and Padres in their late pursuit of the 2022 AL Cy Young runner-up. The ChiSox had previously insisted that the Yankees include top outfield prospect Spencer Jones in any trade for Cease. The Yankees have balked at that ask. The new proposal to the Sox reportedly does not include Jones, though with several teams in the mix for Cease and the Yankees now staring down a potential two-month absence for Cole, it’s possible they’ll eventually acquiesce and meet Chicago’s asking price.
YankeesBleacherCreature
*Sigh* but better than the alternatives.
Joe says...
It’s the Yankees. The alternatives are still on the table.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@Joe At least they’ll rule out amputation unlike some of other folks here.
Shadow Banned
Nelson Muntz says: Haaa Ha!
Joe says...
If you’re going to troll at least don’t suck at it.
terrymesmer
Are you talking about Gerrit Cole, 2023 Cy Young winner?
Shadow Banned
@terry Yes, Gerrit Cole the injured pitcher playing along an entirely injured rotation
DR2020
That’s a good one Joe. Thanks for the laugh.
Johnny utah
Absolutely
Atleast mets got nice prospects in return for some of the broken down bmw players
User 401527550
He’s heading to see the surgeon. I think the alternative is still a very strong possibility.
Fever Pitch Guy
Mets – Agreed. I think they are trying to retain some leverage in negotiations by not calling it season-ending yet.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Absolutely Until NYY signs a FA or makes a trade the true seriousness of Coles injury won’t be made public.
Tanaka and Seth Lugo (after too many WBC innings) were able to be effective with serious isssues but NOT exactly like Cole
Best FA (non trade) value for the price I believe is Clevinger and Lorenzen.
In house NYY candidates should be OK with NYY offense.
stymeedone
@yagotta
If its not serious and one to two months is all he’s going to miss, not making a trade or signing may indicate its minor.
King Floch
Bingo, FPG.
Mike Elias seemingly did the same thing by keeping the Kyle Bradish injury under wraps until after the Corbin Burnes deal was completed.
DR2020
They are also more interested in retaining revenue and ticket sales my not losing any fans with a dire, prognosis or announcement
Lars MacDonald
Fever Pitch – What leverage?
Cole is a Boras client.and the top two FA pitchers are Boras clients.
Raysasineppswasplanted
Yagotta you are exactly right man!
Nosferatu Zodd
Without Cole the Yankees aren’t catching Baltimore. I hate to tell you. That is exactly the Yankees position.
redsox for_life
Spencer 2 be included now for Cease
LonnieB
Cease gone. Gonna have to include Soto and Judges big hurt toe for Cease now.
28rings
Sounds like a partial tear and they’re getting a second or third opinion. Probably best off doing the surgery now so he’s ready mid 2025 than waiting to see if it heals (which it won’t) and doing the surgery then (which makes him miss all of 2025).
Dumpster Divin Theo
From Cy to Sigh Young
goastros123
Not bad, Theo. Not bad at all.
Raysasineppswasplanted
Hahahaha Theo you remind me of the Nettĺes line when Sparky Lyle was traded after he won the Cy Young award “…he went from Cy Young to Sayonnara” or something like that
luckyh
If they wait long enough for the surgery he can miss two seasons.
rottenboyfriend
When a pitcher who hasn’t pitched in 6 months is struggling to recover after his third outing of 3 innings or less speaks volumes! Seeking Multiple doctor visits speaks volumes! Truth be told Cole is injured and probably needs TJS surgery! Having Cole pitch over 200 innings per year the past 4 seasons certainly may have played a part in his current situation! With Rodon, Cortez and Stroman coming off injuries the Yankee rotation is highly questionable to say the least! In heinsight maybe the Yankees needed starting pitchers more than Soto!
Raysasineppswasplanted
And have in mind that he stopped using sticky stuff and that maybe is not an immediate result but can be damaging with time. Connect the dots, Bauer whistled blowed the situation and mlb didn’t like it. Where’s Trevor now? Where’s Cole heading to? Fans tends to forget, the scandal broke, mlb change rules and everything is forgot.
rottenboyfriend
Look at all the over priced signed free agent pitchers who are on the shelf at this point! Degrom, Verlander, Cole, Scherzer, Yamamoto etc. Why ownership continues to hand out these long term deals to pitchers 29 or older is just plain dumb and No pitchers should get contracts that go beyond their age 34 season period….
Astros Hot Takes
Verlander was lights-out CYA #1 or #2 in age 35, 36, and 39 season, and was pretty darn good last year at age 40.
I think that CERTAIN starting pitchers are a better bet through age 40 than almost ANY position players are
swagsuperawesomeepiccoolman123
this sucks
filihok
Yamamoto is a question mark for the 2024 season. Not a known commodity like Gerrit Cole.
CubsWin108
???
Don’s Ghost
The rent isn’t even free with you. You’re PAYING. And no, I don’t want mine deferred. Cash please.
filihok
DG
What rent?
That I think most people are idiots? Yes. That is pretty constantly in my head.
And the idea that certain players are givens and others are complete unknowns is a dumb thing that dumb people think.
ALL players have a range of outcomes
Don’s Ghost
You’re having the most off-topic conversation by bringing up Yamamoto (nobody mentioned him!), you look like the idiot
filihok
DG
Muted (unprovoked insult)
Jimmy Fitzsimmons
You insulted everyone here when you brought up Yamamoto (unprovoked)
kylek58
Could have been a lot worse
User 401527550
He’s off to see the surgeon. I wouldnt say that yet.
Kevin Sutton
Why delay the TJ….
YankeesBleacherCreature
Bc no tear was detected from initial testing. Seeing Dr. Neal ElAttrache gives Cole a better prognosis for a recovery/rehab timeline.
jt3z
Its the opposite my guy. You dont go for an in person visit if theres nothing more wrong than just inflammation. Remember this was initial imaging. There’s liking a minor tear ala Tanaka/Glasnow and hes going the for a consultation on whether he should get the surgery now or try to play through it.
jjd002
This reminds me of Lance McCullers stuff. Rest it and hope it recovers- then still have the surgery anyways.
Kevin Sutton
As a Ranger fan….it never heals with rest and rehab…
stymeedone
Shouldn’t he be called Dr. Need Re-Attache?
Zerbs63
How do you know there is no tear? That is the reporting of Heyman, aka Scott Boras. Until the Yankees or Cole actually says something I wouldn’t believe anything reported.
DR2020
That is quite true Zerb. But I wouldn’t believe anything the Yankees said, either, they don’t exactly have a history or pattern of truthfulness with the media public or fans.
CleaverGreene
Sounds like the deGrom stuff from 2022.
ohyeadam
He doesn’t want to miss the entire season before his opt out
dasit
honestly i was expecting much worse
time to see what they have in warren and beeter
GhostofRandySavage
Gil looked pretty good the other day as well
dasit
insane velocity
could be a force as a multi-inning reliever if he doesn’t make it as a starter
Blue Baron
@GhostofRS: Pitchers are always ahead of hitters in ST, so lots of guys look good in March.
GhostofRandySavage
@blue – you’re not wrong about that. He also looked pretty good when he had a cup on tea in the mlb before he got hurt. Let me be optimistic, I’m doing my best over here!
kidnova
He’s done for the season when they announce in a few weeks that he needs TJ. This is the standard playbook.
pbfog
Usually, with the Yanks, 1-2 months equals maybe see you in September. Then, finish off the injury and miss all of the following summer.
Anthony maresca
Cole will know his fate no later than 1st week of June or sooner. Either way he not going to be available until 2026 season unless he opts for surgery now and then be available end of July 2025 so its his call. One thing is certain, he is not exercising his opt out cause if he does he is a goner with Yankees off the hook for remaining 4/144. I could see Boras barking in his ear to still excercise his opt out cause some team will offer Cole a 6/ 225 deal broken down $10 mill for 2025, 2026-2030 $43 million per through his age 39 season with a new elbow.
Ncsaint
Weird that they pay for all the fancy doctors and MRIs when you guys can just tell us someone’s detailed medical future for free.
ClevelandSteelEngines
But this is coming from Boras, not the Yankees. Yankees are still mum. Seems like we won’t know for another 1-2 months since they are going to shut him down and try to reimage after swelling pulls back like how it went for Rasmussen before he got internal brace.
mamss
Gonna wait till he gets resigned to get TJ. It’s the blueprint now.
dasit
classy
yanks2009
You’re total LOSER!!
CarryABigStick
Thanks!
mlbnyyfan
What desperate move will Cashman make next. Now Yankees are more desperate than ever
Bob Sacamano 310
How long before Rodon joins him? Possibly Stroman and Cortes too?
luclusciano
Tough – I wonder what it is that they are hiding from sharing the actual results with everyone.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
As the guy above said, it’s negotiating ploy. If he’s out for the year with Tommy John then up goes the price for Snell and Montgomery and the price of prospects in a trade.
CleaverGreene
Can the prices for Snell and JM get any higher?
stymeedone
Personal medical information is just that-Personal. Its not public. They are hiding from fines for a HIPPA violation. I’m sure you’d be happy if someone made your medical issues public. So sorry about your ED.
kidnova
Yeah, no. These players waive their HIPPA rights when they sign their contracts, that’s how all of this information becomes public. Their doctors can’t release the info, but the team and/or their agent certainly can.
KC42
Know they said only 1-2 months, but if you need an in-person meeting with the most renowned elbow surgeon in the country, not the best news fans want to hear. hopefully it is just fatigue or inflammation, but could be delaying the inevitable
RunDMC
Man, I’d love just to be in the waiting room for Dr. ElAttrache. I know it must smell like a Mercedes dealership, have complimentary Andes mints in the bathroom, and an autograph opp with Acuña, Cole.
coupofthecentury
Food/drinks should never be in a restroom. A restroom represents a force field, where anything interferers w/ said field must be thrown away.
RunDMC
People need to just hop in the trash can then. More pre-wrapped Andes candies for us that wipe with our left and shake with our right, then wash while spelling MISSISSIPPI 4x. What did you learn from Sesame Street?
oldgfan
Learned Oscar was a grouch and probably would not let anyone hop into his trash can.
RunDMC
That was a façade. He is a Mets fan. Cut him some slack.
CarryABigStick
Oscar went to a mental hospital after he claimed to see a giant yellow bird walking around and talking to people.
Wagner>Cobb
Bummer. Hope he gets healthy and puts this behind him so he can continue his HOF march.
Susannah
Aaron Bummer?
Wagner>Cobb
No. But my buddy is a friend of his, coincidentally.
Anthony maresca
Worst case he gets the rest he needs, ramps up and if the elbow still barking then he gets the TJS and ends up not returning until 2026 fully healthy. No sense returning late 2025 when he wont be 100% anyways. Hopefully one of Gil, Beeter or Warren can fill the vacant hole as a #5 and Stroman or Rodon step up their game.
Wagner>Cobb
I could see Stroman really balling out now that he will be more heavily relied upon. He’s had flashes of pitching like an ace at times, including most of last year.
If Rodon gets back to his best, they will be fine. Big if though.
Anthony maresca
Have faith my friend. If by any chance Stroman, Rodon, Cortes and Schmidt all stay healthy and one of Beeter, Gil or Warren fill in as #5, perhaps the offense and bullpen carry this team for once!
denny816
Getz: “Jones, Arias, and Hampton and I’ll pack Cease in bubble wrap and ship him over”
This one belongs to the Reds
More like “go back in time and get Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle, then we’ll think about it.”
Very Barry
Got to add the Henry LaLane kid to that package. Got to get 2 pitchers back for Cease. I like LaLane’s ceiling, and he is a 6’7 lefty. If the Yankee’s want to get this done …. We are gonna make it hurt! Bad!
Yankee Clipper
It’s a good observation , Barry. LaLane has been reported to have the highest ceiling in their Farm (of the pitchers) by some Yankees pundits.
MacGromit
I think Getz wants Judge too.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
MacGromit
I doubt that Getz wants the Judge contract. Maybe only the Yankees and Giants did.
JRamHOF
Thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery.
ChuckyNJ
THUMP! THUMP! THUMP!
Gmen777
I’d be shocked if they don’t get a pitcher now whether it’ll be Cease via trade or Snell/Monty. Can’t waste your one guaranteed year of Juan Soto
User 401527550
Soto will be traded by the deadline.
stymeedone
Won’t be a waste. Soto will sell lots of tickets, with or without Cole.
Tigers3232
They sold 3.2 million tickets 2nd in MLB last season. Soto isn’t going to have any impact on ticket sales, they were and are going to sell tickets regardless.
In nurse follars
How desperate will a team need to be to sign trevor bauer on the cheap? No tax concerns with a mlb minimum salary. Out of the question?
Gmen777
There’s clearly some kind of collusion at this point. With all the injuries there’s a former Cy Young winner out there and nobody will sign him? Far from a fan of the guy but he was found innocent and is 100% good enough to be in any team’s rotation
ChuckyNJ
Who’s the agent for that Cy Young winner?
mlb fan
“There’s clearly some kind of collusion”.. When teams and people conclude that you’re far more trouble than your worth, that’s not exactly the definition of “collusion”, my friend. By your near-comical definition, all the crazy, stalker ex-boyfriends of the world are now being “colluded” against.
dano62
Don’t know if it’s collusion if there’s been one solid offer worth the GDP of a medium sized Central American country; but I guess they need the equivalent of two to guarantee gold toilets for the next four generations of Snells…
filihok
Gm
“he was found innocent”
This is factually incorrect. He was NOT found Innocent.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Gmen777
Bauer still has not learned humility. Last weekend, he played for the Asian Breeze against Dodgers minor leaguers and near the end, Bauer was letting fans call out his next pitch and announcing the pitch type before he threw it. That type of arrogance does not play well from a guy who was accused of harrassment or assault by multiple victims. Look at the past tweets from Bauer attacking a college age girl, the guy has issues.
Yes, we know that the one victim tried to set him up, and that Bauer was the stupid patsy who was easily suckered in – but that hardly amounts to him having been found innocent even in that case where he admitted to hitting her after she was unconscious. It only means that the D.A. concluded that further resources were not justified.
Bauer has served his suspension, I have no problem with an owner who wants to sign Bauer, but as an owner, they should look at whether it will increase or harm team popularity and revenues.
Hotdog 2
Lol at finding issues with having fun on his YouTube channel. You sound like a tool.
foppert2
lol at “having fun on YouTube.”
Here’s the thing, Hotdog. That fun came at the expense of other people. Something Trevor has a history of doing on his channel, and something Trevor got down on his hands and knees and apologised to MLB for not that long ago. I’m not sure what the Manager that looks at him with goo goo eyes is doing, but giving him sound, intellectually mature advice, doesn’t appear to be on the list.
stymeedone
No one gets found “innocent”, and charges are still pending, I have heard.
Tigers3232
@Gmen when was he found innocent of any criminal charges?
GASoxFan
It’s not hard to see the fit, Trevor does love choking, and the Yankees of the last couple decades….
Yankee Clipper
GASox: ouch, man! Lolol.
GASoxFan
Clipper: look at the brightside, it’s a step up from the red sox where Bauer hung up, saying, no thanks, I won’t even get a chance to choke playing for you guys….
CardsFan57
Why do you think Bauer is available for the minimum salary? He’s getting millions per year in Asia.
Jaysfansince92
He publicly stated he was willing to play for the minimum
filihok
CF
How much do you think [he] would have to pay a team to let him pitch?
CardsFan57
A lot. The PR nightmare would not be worth it.
JRamHOF
Get ready to learn NYC Mike Clevinger
CravenMoorehead
He finna get that haircut at a Bronx barbershop
The McNasty1
Get TJ surgery,,,might as well get it done now.
Old York
I hope he survives this injury.
VonPurpleHayes
Yankees are good enough to compete without him, but I don’t think they’re going to win that division. Even with Cole that was a tough ask. Snell, Monty or Cease aren’t going to replace that production either, but it’d help.
GhostofRandySavage
The lineup and bullpen are good. The rangers made it work last year with a rotation full of question marks. It’s a tough route to the WS but it can be done!
User 401527550
I really don’t think they were ever good enough to compete with the orioles. They lost a lot of their bullpen and brought in one player on a mediocre team.
GhostofRandySavage
You’re right King was a big loss, the the others not so much. It’ll be interesting to see if the O’s live up to the hype this year. Should be a fun division to watch.
niched
The O’s have their own issues with Bradish, who was their best pitcher last year. They’re hoping Bradish doesn’t have to go under the knife and that Means comes back pretty soon. And the Rays have had major injuries in their rotation too. Anything could happen this year.
dasit
at least on paper they improved more than a lot of people think. having verdugo instead of a bunch of sub-replacement hitters and a healthy rizzo moves the needle even before you add soto. if volpe and wells can take baby steps forward it’s a strong line-up. the season comes down to rodon/stroman/cortes
GhostofRandySavage
Exactly. Also, having more protection in the lineup will help everybody. Gleyber is going to have a great year hitting 7th instead of 3rd.
YankeesBleacherCreature
And Grisham is a clear upgrade over Cabrera who hasn’t looked great this spring.
VonPurpleHayes
Yes. The additions of Verdugo and Soto vastly improve the entire lineup.
User 401527550
Vertigo doesn’t vastly improve the lineup. He’s literally a league average hitter. Ops+100
dasit
did you see the parade of noodle bats they were running out there last season? league average is a huge step up
DR2020
Any follower of the team knows that the rag tag collection of less than replacement level players they put in the outfield last year, are vastly inferior, to even the average bat of Verdugo.
DR2020
Quite true
Old York
@Mets6986??
No worries, the O’s will win another 100+ games and then get swept out of the first round.
User 401527550
Yes make that bet with all that extremely high end young talent on that team and a legitimate top end starter.
Anthony maresca
I disagree. Snell could easily duplicate Cole’s wins albeit less innings and more walks but no way Yankees paying $65-80 million when hit with tax. Too risky and expensive.
GhostofRandySavage
Anthony I think you’re right about both Snell’s value, and NY not wanting to pay him. Without a real Cole replacement they maybe get a wild card spot if a LOT goes right. Staying optimistic that this year isn’t as excruciating to watch as last year.
YankeesBleacherCreature
In an 162 game average, Cole has average 211 IPs and Snell with 177 IPs. Snell isn’t always available. The 34 IPs difference isn’t insignificant bc a team will need to carry an extra elite reliever to close that gap. 177 IPs is most likely Snell’s ceiling now. Nobody can replace Cole.
DR2020
Obviously, there is no one to replace him. But the addition of another pitcher, and elite one or not, will certainly help. if Cashman thinks he’s going to solve this by his usual MO of dumpster diving, it will be a bigger problem.
VonPurpleHayes
Also keep in mind Yankee stadium is a very hitter friendly park. Snell walks a ton of batters. That’s a bad combo.
mlb fan
“Snell could easily duplicate Cole’s”…Why do you think Gerrit has a $324 MILLION contract?..
Because no one on planet earth can “easily duplicate” what he does. Go look up the definition of “easily” and “duplicate” and then get back to us.
stymeedone
Snell not on the Yankees, and due to the QO, won’t be.
User 401527550
The Red Sox have a shot not to finish last in the the Al east. Here come the Yankees.
TellItGoodbye
At this point they should just shut down Major League Baseball for 16 months while every pitcher goes and gets TJ surgery. Have an assembly line of surgeons to expedite things. Then we can restart for a few years til we do it all over again.
stymeedone
Detroit already went thru what other teams are experiencing this year. Now that they are healthy, this season must be played!
top jimmy
Inflammation means there’s at least micro tears in the tissue.
Rishi
They shouldn’t allow this to force them into a bad decisions. If anything it may lead to him not opting out but regardless they aren’t that good so if they are gonna make a huge signing or trade it shouldn’t be because of this. I know how the NY market is demanding tho.
ChuckyNJ
That “demanding” New York market has tabloids whose mindset is frozen in the 1950s and talk radio frozen in Reagan time.
Mikenmn
It could have been worse, and may still get worse. Boras and Chicago are raising their prices as we speak. Wonder if Cashman now regrets the Soto trade, but that’s unfair hindsight. The dumbest thing the yankees could do now is overreact.
stymeedone
The Yankees really didn’t have CF last year, so they traded their pitching for a DH, so their RF could fake it in CF. And you think the dumbest thing they could do is overreact? Now they are stuck with Soto rumbling around their OF, because he will never agree to DH in his option year.
Mikenmn
I’ll certainly admit that Cashman has several entries in “dumbest move”
Pete Rose is innocent Fry Ohtani
Lmao!!!!!!
The Big Yo
Poor Yankees still inly have 5 better and higher paid pitches than the Oakland A’s. Whatever are the poor ya Kees gonna do?? But time they start getting called out for just wasting money and the ability to chuck it all at whatever they need when they need it. Feel bad for Cole because his on the hall of fame path but I do not feel sorry for Yankee fans
Fred Lingenfelser
The way I read it is like this.
If I’m the Yankees front office, I don’t want other teams knowing we are in desperate need of a pitcher. It makes the asking price go up knowing you’re negotiating from a weaker standpoint.
So, he might only have some inflammation…..or he might need TJS. But if I’m the front office, I wouldn’t announce that it’s as serious as it might be.
metalhead
I hope surgery isn’t needed. I hate to see all these injuries. I don’t want anyone to get hurt.
CravenMoorehead
Except for Wander Franco
Salzilla
Considering he’s a second (borderline first) round pick I’m just as sad for my fellow fantasy managers as I am for my fellow Yankees fans.
Duran Daddy
lol somebody look him number 1 in my draft. gotta feel bad for that guy (not)
Salzilla
Considering he’s not even the #1 pitcher let alone player I absolutely do not feel bad for that guy lol.
Greensoxbaseball
Why do i feel like this is just a Yankee PR statement so everyone leaves them alone lol
cguy
White Sox should be skeptical about the return on a Cease trade with NYY, Some Yankees prospects are over-hyped and don’t pan out.
rocky7
Well the White Sox should stop talking about Cease as if he’s Cy Young incarnate….and as far as Yankee prospects not panning out….every time the Yankees talked with a team about major league players, both Dominquez, Jones and Warren were the top of everyone’s list…so much for your “over hyped and don’t pan out” brainiac comment….
rottenboyfriend
Name the last Yankee prospect that was traded and became a star? Answer zippo!
sfuchs3 2
They traded rookie Jay Buhner to Seattle for Ken Phelps….thy ytraded a young Al Leiter to Toronto for Jesse Barfield
stymeedone
Neither have worked out yet, and they well may be the best the Yankees have. That doesn’t mean the projections aren’t on the high end of possibility. Some teams best prospects end up being platoon players or average regulars. Projection is just another way to say educated guess.
foppert2
I hope Rodon steps up and fills the void. I had a bit of fun revelling in the man’s misery last year but that is done. I hope he bounces back and has some success this year. Great opportunity for him to earn himself some love.
Anthony maresca
Well said
AwwThatsAShame
Hahahah, enjoy battling it out for 4th place in the East
Salzilla
Man, too many people don’t understand these injuries. Swelling 1. can mask a deeper injury and 2. You cannot get the surgery done until that subsides. They should know more after the in person visit to ElAttrache, but eithervway there’s going to be a waiting period. Hoping for the best here!
acoss13
Yeah, it’s too soon if surgery is needed and that he’s out of the woods too.
stymeedone
Wakanda is currently working on a new arm for him.
10centBeerNight
4th place team as it stands, unfortunately
rocky7
Well it might play well to actually follow the AL East before making your comment about 4th place as if that’s automatic…..offensively, the Yankees are as good as any team in the East period……and as far as pitching, read this morning that the Rays suffered another pitching injury to one of their top guys, wondering exactly what and how deep both the Jays and Orioles rotations are (the Orioles ace can’t pitch 5 days a week) and of course there’s Boston……you can go back to class for nap time now…..
mlb fan
“Before making your comment about 4th place”…Baseball is not linear and is near impossible to predict over a large sample size. I’ve seen teams add a great player and somehow play worse and I’ve seen a team(Atlanta Braves) lose a great player in Acuna and somehow play better in winning a World Series. Knowing what you actually know is a skill and the people that predict baseball do not really understand baseball.
acoss13
He’s probably too busy with his rodeo career.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yankees? More like spankees, amirite?
teddyj
Wankees are Old..
CubsWin108
they need bauer lol, signing Snell or Monty would cause a loss of draft picks and major taxes.
CardsFan57
Monty was traded last season so there’s no pick associated with him.
CubsWin108
by going over the luxury tax they lose a pick
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rocky7
Great comment!
User 2161944466
The ole ‘rest without improvement, delaying the inevitable surgery’ bit. Just take care of it now and start the recovery so he can contribute in 2025 instead of wasting these months pretending
Chris the Great
Make he can use some sticky stuff to hold his ligament together
mlbnyyfan
If Cole needs TJ surgery and Yankees are delaying it and possibly risking all of next year to. It’s time to fire Cashman. Surgery is always last resort but I have a feeling he’s worse than Yankees are telling anyone. Yankees for the last decade or more have become so secretive.
Blue Baron
Sounds like deGrom a couple of years ago. That didn’t end well.
Johnny utah
Its absurd how many pitchers go down with injuries today. like 10x as much as hitters. What the heck are these coaches/trainers doing to these guys??
TellItGoodbye
The good that’s coming out of this is that we’re not talking about J.D. Davis. Oh wait, I just did. Sorry.
Viveleempireevil
LOL!
LordD99
Inflammation and swelling can still be masking a greater issue, hence why he’s still being looked at. At best, maybe he’s back by early June.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
For all that is riding on getting the diagnosis correct I don’t blame NYY for getting multiple 2nd or 3rd opion.
(Big $, a possible deep run in the playoffs this year and upcoming, probability Soto resigns, ticket sales and much more
As a secondary concern NYY must have some insurance on Coles contract
It is a puzzle with many variables to sort out.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
They’re in a bad position. Multiple big contracts with injury-plagued players and there is guarantee Soto signs next year.
Basically the opposite spectrum of the Red Sox, and the irony is they’ll still probably make the best trade and make it to the postseason because they’re the Yankees.
Viveleempireevil
Love these “Doctors” on here who know…nothing. He might get a PRP injection and some rest and be fine. Or, he might need full-blown TJS. Nobody knows. There is a LOT of miles on that tire however. That we do know. But blaming Brian Cashman for him “delaying” getting TJS is just silly. How about we all wait until the soufflé is out of the oven?
RynoScoobs
Done for the year. Yankees cannot be trusted with injury severity.
Grumpofm
An in person visit with the doctor is usually what happens after imaging, even if you’re not a pro athlete. Mine got results that contradicted the MRI and I didn’t need knee surgery. Pro athletes are a different animal than older field medics, so the exam is more likely to result in “when do you want your surgery to take place?” They’ll need a replacement either way, just a matter of how long, so why would any team tip their hand further by saying “our ace is out for almost 2 seasons”? Tough break for Cole and the Yankees, but his is the season that’s probably over, not the Yankees.
mlbnyyfan
If Cole opts out of contract, Yankees crazy to extend him with TJ surgery bomb going off at any time
User 3014224641
Trevor is only waiting to choke you out during your special time tonight. He’ll see you later.
Grumpofm
I’m not a big fan of extending pitchers in the first place, for the injury risk. Makes me rather unpopular on sites like this.
filihok
Grump
“I’m not a big fan of extending pitchers in the first place, for the injury risk. ”
You are aware that you can Factor in the injury risk, right?
Grumpofm
Sure, then fans call it a low-ball offer.
filihok
Grump
Not knowledgeable fans
And teams that let their fans GM get what they deserve
quimmy
That’s a real shame.
rmullig2
I love the armchair surgeons on this board pretending they know what they are talking about. There was no tear found, only inflammation. This could easily be taken care of with a cortisone shot and rest. However it does end the possibility of Cole opting out.
crazybaseballgal
Cole is good for baseball. Hope he’s back and in good form asap. Signed, a Mariners fan
Tom the ray fan
Corey and Trevor are stupid af
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Trevor Story is playing.
whyhayzee
The Yankees haven’t made a formal announcement on the injury or a timetable yet.
Thanks for the update, MLBTR. Eoj Nedib communicates better than the Yankees.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I said from day 1 that the innings would catch up to Cole. Sustaining 200+ innings for multiple years and then the Yankees signing that mega contract… I’m sorry, but in this day and age, innings are going to catch up to him and Yankees should have known that before signing a mega contract for many years. It was certainly a gamble.
RickEO
Won 82 games last year. Hmmmm
Yanks2
As unfortunate at this is, this is the least of their problems lol. Even if Cole goes 30 – 0 with a 1.25 ERA it doesn’t help their anemic offensive of behemoths swinging for the fences or striking out
deepseamonster32
Boy am I excited for the 13 nationally televised games of the Red Sox and Yankees battling for last place.
Motor City Beach Bum
Should be a close race for that honor.
sergefunction
So, if the Detroit Tigers want to play a dangerous game of Talent Roulette involving perhaps an epic arm and perhaps a great future CF, dangle Tarik Skubal for Yankee prospects (start with demanding 1 and 2 and see where it goes).
Frank Lane woulda done it.
I’m talking Skubal. Not Jobe.
Signs point (health permitting as always) to this being a dominant breakout year for Skubal. I don’t know if the present rules allow for a creative trade’s outcome, including PTBNL, to be conditioned on performance, but if so by all means let’s do that to ensure everyone winds up a winner.
The Tigers are going nowhere as usual. If Scott Harris thought otherwise he wouldn’t have populated his roster with what he has recently added.
The Yankees need an ace, a lefty in that park is a bonus, and they don’t want to pay Snell. But Soto, so they must forge ahead right now and replace an ace.
Cease will not measure up to 2024 Skubal.
The Tigers end up with one and maybe two stars locked in for years at a pauper’s wage.
OK. There you have it. Fiction Life over. Back to ho-humdrum.
Motor City Beach Bum
Ummh no. Yankees prospects are magic beans Jack. The only way they should consider trading Skubal is for a bigger haul than the White Sox got for Cease. Even then, I think they should keep him. Trading him when the team has a chance to compete doesn’t make sense.
I’m pretty happy with Harris and Greenberg’s offseason. Flaherty and Maeda have looked good, as well as most of the bullpen additions. Canha has been meh so far but Kelly has been a pleasant surprise. Keith/Ibanez and Urshela/McKinistry have looked pretty good too for the 2B and 3B spots and Meadows in CF. Even Kreidler has looked better. Platoon him and Leonard at SS and bench Baez!
I’ll be surprised if they don’t challenge the Twins for first.
Dmac13
Offense should weather the storm! Rodon nester stroman schmidt and weaver and then look to either Monty or lorenzen… snell is to much with attaching bonus pool and draft picks. Cease would be ok but would cost a ton of prospects why not try to trade a package of Everson Pereira with either Lombard or arias. To Miami for lozardo or aj puk type
1984wasntamanual
Rodon has been hurt/bad and Stroman was also hurt…kind of an ouch situation when that’s what you have to rely on.
Pivo
From Cy Young to Sayonara ….
billysbballz
Happy Cole has a chance to join the rotation. The guy is a stud and it would not only suck for the Yankees but baseball as well. As a Yankee fan I hope they are willing to pivot and forget entertaining the idea of trading more prospects for Dylan Cease who I truly think is Sonny Gray 2.0! I hope they have the sack to do some hard research and consider Trevor Bauer and if not him being back Monty!
filihok
RE bbb
” I hope they have the sack to do some hard research and consider Trevor Bauer ”
Muted (too much “alpha male” energy)
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Cease is gone mate. No longer an option.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Whilst I enjoy hearing of the Yankees troubles, I am sorry to hear of Cole’s situation. He is a champion of the game and baseball is poorer when players of his standing cannot take the field.. I trust he recovers soon.
Astros Hot Takes
@Astros_fan_in_Aus Cole is probably my favorite player in MLB, partly because he hasn’t missed a start since 2016, goes deep, knows how to actually pitch, can make adjustments, etc. So far, he’s a real throwback to that fabulous group of pitchers who debuted in the 60s. I LOVE watching good pitchers pitch.
chuck123
Mr Steinbrenner – please suck it up, stop whining and sign a free agent pitcher. Do you want to win or burn a year of Soto? The Yankees are just getting older by the minute.
Mr Cashman – suck it up and contact Montgomery and plead for him to forgive you
Rsox
It’s not just burning a year of Soto, every one of the arms dealt in the Soto trade could have been necessary reinforcements, one of those arms even helped the Padres land Cease. If there is a team that needs Snell as of right now its the Yankees. After all, what better way to replace the 2023 AL Cy Young award winner than with the 2023 NL Cy Young award winner
1984wasntamanual
Another pitcher you can’t count on for many innings…that’s exactly what the Yankees need.
Jaysfansince92
All of these pitching injuries makes me wonder if the pitch clock did more damage than we realize.
Rsox
It’s not the clock that’s the problem, its the “max effort” style of throwing that is causing this. Pitchers today do not actually know how to pitch, they just know how to throw as hard as possible until something pops. Look at all the hard throwing, high strikeout pitchers of the past and you’ll see some pretty lengthy career with no arm problems because they actually knew how to pitch
filihok
Rsox
“Pitchers today do not actually know how to pitch,”
Today’s pitchers know more about pitching than any generation of pitchers ever. Tunneling, wake, spin, biomechanics, etc
User 4095290658
I think anyone who dismisses the clock as a possible/probable contributing factor is being foolish.
There’s also the removal of the ‘sticky stuff’, COVID short season, analytics’ obsession with K’s, more powerful muscles around joints and smaller parks/less foul ground.
We’ll likely never know what factor contributed most to the increase in severe elbow injuries.
1984wasntamanual
Is it even that much of an increase or is this just recency bias. Arm injuries have been increasing long before the clock was a thing in MLB.
User 4095290658
Lots of factors are contributing, but to say it can’t be x, y or z is just silly.
Jaysfansince92
It is likely a combination of things, but the pitch clock could be exacerbating all of those factors. Less rest time in between pitches can tire them out faster and it is fairly well known that players are more likely to injure themselves when they are tired.
CleaverGreene
I’d blame the spider-tac crack down more than the clock.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
I would say it is probably too early to say definitely but I believe for as maybe a good 40% of pitchers (rough estimate) injuries might increase possibly skewing towards older pitchers who are not used to having a pitch clock coming up through the minors
This just kind of a working theory which after another 4 years could be analyzed better. Reasonable people can disagree – goes without saying
The pitching motion is un natural, injuries will always happen.
Many pitchers are kind of creatures of habit in their preparation – Day pitching and days between. Relievers can’t always know how often.and managers try not to overuse (esp. closers) but they have pressure to win.
foppert2
I’m on torque. Numbers, as opposed to the eye, are now defining how much your arsenal moves in the air. As a consequence, pitchers are more focussed on chasing hard movement. More torque. More injuries. Humans don’t twist well.
User 2161944466
Some little old lady had her appointment canceled thanks to Cole. Hope she makes it.
Niekro floater
Receive plasma rich injection in elbow, rest for awhile, then slowly gear it back up w/fingers crossed, an avenue pursued by many and w/very low success rate usually leading to bein cut anyway … or just get the surgery now and be available sooner and get this behind you. There’s reason he is in LA today meeting w/1 of best Dr’s in world 4this procedure.
ohyeadam
RICE it, rest, ice, compression, elevation. He’ll be fine
1984wasntamanual
I believe he would also need to rub some dirt on it.
ohyeadam
It’s too late for dirt, needs to be applied within 10 minutes
YankeesBleacherCreature
::fingers crossed::
RickEO
Either way arm is worn and tired. Hes 34
tjettman
TJ comin’ in hot.
FOmeOLS
Hey, best of luck to Cole. He’s an exciting pitcher to watch.
Raysasineppswasplanted
Looks like the Yankees will be focus on retaining Sorou and going full throttle after Burnes this offseason. If the doctor says knife is needed then is ’till ’26 then the rotation could look like
Burnes Cole Beeter-Strohman (if resigned) Rodón-Schmidt and Gil-Warren. Looks like a good Rot
whyhayzee
It is a good Rot. I can smell it from here.
FOmeOLS
Meanwhile, over in Seattle, they are planning on being 1WC, while the Yanks and Jays squabble over 3WC
Liberalsteve
KARMA
whyhayzee
Manager Aaron Boone expects more information on his status this evening, although that doesn’t ensure that the Yankees will publicly disclose an update tonight.
The Yankees will need time consulting Dr. Google to learn how to pronounce the big words involved.
LOL good one !!!!
This 1 or 2 months of Cole missing time was not released by the Yankees – it was released by some news source – so lets see what is said by the Yankees after Cole is seen by this doc
LOL good one !!!!
And why was Cole such a JERK to the guy asking him questions while walking along the sidewalk ? I was wishing the bwst for Cole but now I hope he DOES need TJ – just like ML ball players RUDE – fans are already upset with their GREED and high prices and how RUDE they can be etc – also these new baseball rules havent helped along with commercials in the middle of the game plus shoddy play as we see and less talent on the field
foppert2
Maybe he has got a bit on his mind right now. I imagine it’s not all sunshine and roses inside his head. You can’t cut the guy some slack for being a bit testy ? Harsh.
LOL good one !!!!
I see ur point but he is a ML ballplayer and a star it comes with the territory – its not like he just got the news of the injury 5 minutes ago – but yes maybe I am abit too harsh on him but still stop and at least say I cant comment on anything the Yankees will do so
Jaysfansince92
To be fair this is likely the worst injury he has ever had. He is not used to being sidelined. All players know it won’t last forever, but that first big sign is not always easy to process. When something you love gets taken away from you it leaves a mark.
LOL good one !!!!
MLB has fallen behind the NFL and NBA as popular sports – instead of adding teams like the commish states its time to disband some – Pirates – Marlins – Rockies – A’s – Brewers – Royals should be first one’s to go – what talent is on these teams go be then spread among the leftover teams and improve the level of play — this would help the pitching the most as there are so many players who should not be on a ML roster
LOL good one !!!!
Yankees could have had Cease and dragged their feet – serves them right – Padres traded guys they didnt need where the Yanks worried about holding on to Spencer Jones who does appear to be anything special – I guess the Yanks dont want to win – now they can go spend on Snell – Cashman should be fired –
LOL good one !!!!
Yanks should have gone out and gotten Cease and signed Montgomery to bolster the SP – since their other SP wont hold up this yr
brucenewton
He gone
This one belongs to the Reds
At least it isn’t Dr. Oz or Dr. Phil.
Blue Baron
What happened to the MLBTR team pages?
DR2020
I was wondering about that myself, this page is now more difficult to navigate
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Incompetent Adams is at it again. “Meanwhile” can’t come in the middle of the sentence, separated by commas. It has to come at the sentence’s start. Fire Adams.