The Giants announced this morning that right-hander Tristan Beck underwent successful surgery to repair an aneurysm in his right shoulder. He won’t throw for at least eight weeks. San Francisco also announced that right-hander Sean Hjelle has an elbow sprain and will be reevaluated in two weeks’ time. That represents a further blow to the team’s pitching depth, though Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic tweets that Hjelle’s ulnar collateral ligament is intact. A timetable for his return won’t be known until that reevaluation, however.
It’s already been known that Beck would be facing a long absence after testing late last month found the aneurysm. The Giants placed him on the 60-day injured list this week when opening a roster spot for newly signed Matt Chapman. An eight-week shutdown period would stretch from now until April 30. Beck would then need to slowly ramp up, starting with light throwing on flat ground, to pitching off a mound, to facing live hitters and eventually pitching in minor league rehab games.
That process would require more than a month, in all likelihood, putting a potential return date somewhere in June, at the earliest. Of course, that’s all contingent on avoiding any setbacks and on Beck’s body recovering as hoped. The Giants will surely have updates along the way.
The news on Hjelle likely subtracts another depth option who could’ve stepped up to help fill Beck’s spot early in the season. Hjelle, a towering 6’11” 26-year-old, posted strong numbers in Double-A back in 2021 but has since struggled both as a starter and reliever in Triple-A and in the big leagues. The former second-round pick worked primarily as a starter in Triple-A Sacramento last year, struggling to a 6.00 ERA in 19 starts (plus three relief appearances) in that ultra-hitter-friendly setting. He made another 15 relief appearances with the big league club, posting 29 innings with a similarly disheartening 6.52 earned run average.
Hjelle sports an unsightly 6.17 ERA in 54 MLB innings but his 23.2% strikeout rate, 8.3% walk rate and huge 56% ground-ball rate all portend better results over a larger sample. He’s been plagued by a sky-high .399 average on balls in play despite yielding just an 89 mph average exit velocity. Metrics like FIP (3.89) and SIERA (3.35) feel Hjelle has been far, far better in his limited big league time than his ERA would indicate.
Giants skipper Bob Melvin had already called out Hjelle as someone who could perhaps move into a rotation role to help compensate for the injury to Beck and provide some insurance in the event that right-hander Keaton Winn’s elbow issue flares back up. (Winn was briefly shut down earlier in camp due to a nerve issue but has since resumed throwing without issue.) Instead, it appears quite likely that Hjelle will also open the season on the injured list. A two-week period without throwing will conclude with just over a week to go until Opening Day. Even if Hjelle were able to immediate pitch in games — which seems unlikely — it’s hard to imagine him ramping up to the point where he could be a viable rotation option.
At the moment, the Giants’ rotation consists of Logan Webb, top prospect Kyle Harrison, reliever-turned-starter Jordan Hicks and the aforementioned Winn. A competition for the fifth spot could include trade acquisition Ethan Small, prospect Kai-Wei Teng (already on the 40-man roster) and perhaps in-house nonroster pitchers like Carson Whisenhunt and Mason Black.
It was a perilously thin group even when all of Winn, Beck and Hjelle looked healthy. The Giants have been banking on this mix to carry them into the middle portion of the season. Alex Cobb will open on the injured list while rehabbing from October hip surgery but could be back within the first couple months of the season. Trade acquisition Robbie Ray is rehabbing from Tommy John surgery and will be out until the final third of the season or so. Injuries to Beck and to Hjelle have only further called into question whether such an unproven group can steady the course until the Giants’ more veteran reinforcements arrive.
The Giants have been active in free agency late in the offseason, with signings of Chapman and Jorge Soler both completed after the beginning of spring training. Even with that pair of additions — plus their earlier pickups of Hicks and center fielder Jung Hoo Lee — reigning Cy Young winner Blake Snell is reportedly still a consideration. Fellow southpaw Jordan Montgomery is also still on the market, as are lower-tier arms like Mike Clevinger, Michael Lorenzen, Eric Lauer and others.
San Francisco currently projects for a payroll just under $182MM, per RosterResource. Their projected luxury tax ledger currently sits at $231MM — just $6MM or so shy of the first threshold. Signing Snell or Montgomery will assuredly put the team over that line, and Snell would require further forfeitures in the amateur draft and international free agency. The Giants already punted their second-highest pick and $500K of next year’s international bonus pool space to sign Chapman; Snell would require surrendering their third-round pick and an additional $500K of international spending capacity. Both players would also result in the Giants paying a 20% tax for the first $20MM by which the luxury barrier is exceeded, plus a 32% tax on the next $20MM.
It’s possible that even Lorenzen or Clevinger could push the Giants into tax territory, although there are other moves that could be made to counteract that. The signing of Chapman, for instance, could make J.D. Davis and his $6.9MM salary more expendable. If the Giants were able to move Davis and some/all of that salary, they could create as much as $13MM in breathing room between themselves and the $237MM tax line.
Gmen777
3/100M with opt outs after first two years for Snell. Get on it Zaidi
5TUNT1N
After wheeler got what he got, it kinda seems silly for snell to sniff that price at a short term deal.
Gmen777
I mean the deal I proposed is about $9M a year less. I wouldn’t really call that sniffing, but I couldn’t see the current NL Cy Young winner taking less than $30M AAV on a short term deal
bag o ballz
Which I think is totally fair, I would say to maybe either backload with incentives and do an opt out after year one would make sense but somewhere between 30-35 is what I would expect
Slider_withcheese
Only 7 pitchers make over 30. The top 4 are hurt and won’t start the season (if we’re counting Ohtani as a pitcher)
Ohtani /Max/JV/and deGrom
5 is Cole
6 is Corbin lol
7 is Strasburg who isn’t even in baseball any longer.
Dropping 30 plus on Snell is a mistake for any team
Pete'sView
Snell will never have a better chance to maximize his value than this year, so unlike Montgomery, I think he needs to get a full multi-year contract in hand. What that means, exactly, is unknown.
Slider_withcheese
Seems like a great strategy considering he’s been a free agent for five plus months and remains unsigned.
bag o ballz
no one wants to give him a full multi year contract – otherwise he would have already signed somewhere
. if he is determined to do that he is going to sit out all year
Jean Matrac
“Dropping 30 plus on Snell is a mistake for any team”
Not really. Most on your list, if not all, aren’t good comps. Some signed for a lot more years, like Ohtani, Cole, and Strasburg. Even deGrom’s deal, entering his age 35 season, was 5 years, with a possible 6th. Some signed for a lot more money than $30M+, like Scherzer’s $43.3M deal, and deGrom’s $37M deal. Some did both.
As years come down AAV goes up. $30M+ for 3 years is probably less than Snell’s true market value. It’s certainly doable for multiple teams, and the short-term aspect make’s it fairly albatross-proof, so it would actually be a bargain.
SFG.1
$25mil to $30mil for 2 to 4 years isn’t bad.
mlb fan
“After Wheeler got what he got”…Wheeler is durable, dominant, predictable and consistent. Despite the hardware, there’s very little comparison between Wheeler and a somewhat erratic, 5 inning pitcher like Snell who often walks 2-3 guys before he begins to pich.
Pads Fans
Last season Wheeler had a 3.61 ERA. Snell 2.25.
Wheeler is 34 and his ERA is trending up.
Snell is 31 and his ERA is trending down.
giacgara
His walk rate is also 5.0 per 9 innings and that’s trending up.
llokokokok
Fangraphs put out an article that none of the breaking balls were in the zone. They were arguing Snell walked so much by design. He limited damage because he is good enough to strike out enough people after the walk.
SFG.1
I’m still pissed the Giants traded Wheeler away for 44 games of Carlos Beltran!
Jean Matrac
You need to get over it. Chances are he wouldn’t still be with the Giants had he not been traded. He didn’t debut until 2 years after the trade. Over the next 7 years, two of which he missed entirely, he wasn’t that good, posting a definitive league average 100 ERA+.
That’s when the Mets let him walk, and the Giants probably would have done the same, given the track record. It wasn’t until his age 30 season that he became a special player. The Mets seem to be the biggest loser in all that.
dubtastic
@SFG.1 – me too, I talk about it all the time..one of the worst trades of all-time under Sabz! that was 12 years ago. how time flies!
Not a clever name
Total knee jerk reaction. Once posery got hurt they were not going to compete and Beltran was not going to change that. They should have taken that year to reload the farm but decided to go all in instead. I can still see them trading wheeler at some point but not that year for Beltran. Also pissed about Reynolds’s for Cutch all though I feel we got a better deal with Cutch then Beltran.
Not a clever name
Should also note Crick was part of that trade but at that time he was looking like a bust pick, he got better in Pittsburgh and if they never traded him who would have beat up that pedo in Pittsburgh? That alone gives me all the value I needed in return for Crick.
Jean Matrac
Not a clever name.
Totally disagree. You’re basing your opinion on hindsight, knowing now that Beltran would get injured, and the Giants would miss the playoffs. Beltran was the top FA available at the deadline.
They only missed a WC berth by 4 games. And how were they supposed to reload the farm? By tanking, trading away Lincecum, or Bumgarner?
This was a team that won the WS the year before, and would win it again the next year. They were a solid team, and though losing Posey hurt, he was still only one guy on an arguably dynastic team. Fans would have been outraged, including me, had the Giants decided to just give up and pack it in for the year.
9er78
They Won the Series the Next Season so who Cares.
Pads Fans
His walk rate is almost exactly what it was in 2021. Its ok to walk people when no one can get a hit off you. He had a microscopic .154 BA and 27 OPS+ against him with men in scoring position and a .174 BA and 43 OPS+ against with men on base.
Pads Fans
There was an interview with Niebla on Padres.com where he said that the biggest thing that he did to help Snell is to tell him that its ok to walk people you don’t match up well against. Go after the people you know you can get out. It worked.
bloomquist4hof
Assuming thats after each of the first two years, feels like that contract favors Snell more than the Giants. I also wouldnt be surprised if he lands that exact deal based on what Boras is doing this offseason.
bloomquist4hof
Snell projects to something like a 33m value in 2024, after that it likely goes down from there. An opt out makes sense if there is some discount for the team in terms of AAV.
its_happening
So you acknowledge your Giants now need a SP?
Progress.
Gmen777
I’ve been leading the Snell to Giants charge since day one, I just think some fans are acting like a a bunch of young pitchers can’t succeed in baseball when the Giants themselves have the ring to prove it (2010).
its_happening
There are so many Giant fans that are against the idea of having another pitching it’s baffling, but not surprising. Montgomery might be the better play as there is no draft pick/QO attached to signing him.
mlb fan
“There are so many Giant fans”…I don’t believe Giants fans are “against the idea” of adding a SP as much as they are worried that they’ll overpay and be stuck with an albatross for many years to come. Snell simply walks too many batters and Monty is 1+ year removed from being traded away for an injury prone CF(Bader). Just over a year+ ago NO ONE thought of Monty as “elite”.
scottn59c
OK, but in 2010, Matt Cain had five years of track record in the bigs. and Lincecum had already won the Cy Young twice by then. Bumgarner was the only real untested rookie, but he was exceptional, only 20 years old and taking the world by storm.
Beck and Winn have no pedigree and relatively minor MLB experience. Harrison brings the hype, but it’s hard to tell whether or not he’ll have the control he’ll need to survive at the MLB level.
People aren’t just dogging on these young guys for the heck of it; not one of them really flourished last year, and yet, a ton of trust has been placed upon their abilities to start this year. With the setbacks the rotation has already experienced this early into Spring Training. you can understand where the concern lies, no?
its_happening
mlb the latest Giant stories has Giant fans believing they do not need to add a SP. Look at what’s been said the past week or so.
Maybe I should have said they’re against being great and want to remain mediocre. Perhaps I misspoke?
foppert2
Outside of a few prospectophiles, No one knows anything about the young pitchers except the Giants staff. Those people are armed with every development and evaluation tool known to man. Why people sitting at home think they know better than them, is beyond my comprehension.
its_happening
Your President did not care about baseball until the age of 25 when he read Moneyball. Stop the cap.
oldgfan
Prodpectophiles sounds risky.
Maybe try prospectsperts.
Nope. Not much better…
Jean Matrac
its_happening
“There are so many Giant fans that are against the idea of having another pitching…”
What kind of over-simplistic take is that? First off, I don’t believe that’s true. It seems to me most Giants’ fans have been saying all along to sign Snell or Montgomery, because they need pitching.
I’m not one of those. I’ve said I don’t want Snell for what MLBTR predicted, 7 years/$200M. But I’m totally on-board with a short-term high AAV deal for Snell.
Plus your probably confusing talk of TOR arms with that of BOR ones. I believe that in house prospects are just as good, if not better, than guys like Clevenger, or Lorenzen. The Giants. like every team can always use another TOR arm, but they do not need any back end guys.
its_happening
Jean, you’re one of those fans I was taking about. You made it very simple for us to point out.
Now that you’re back peddling thanks to injury, you can stop denying you are “on-board” for Snell because you weren’t two days ago. Your team is mediocre. You and your pals overrate this squad when you’re waiting for Cobb and Ray to be all-world when your team plays .480 baseball for 3 months.
Admit you’ve been wrong and well call it a day.
Jean Matrac
Back-peddling? If you need to put words in my mouth to try to make a point, a weak one at that, then you’re hopeless. I invite you to find a quote from me, that’s in any way contrary to my post above.
Once again, I was always against 7/$200M for Snell. I have been in favor a 3 year deal with a high AAV, once that seemed like a possibility
I have quoted Zaidi multiple times that he would like to add a TOR and wasn’t interested in back-end guys. And I’ve thought that was the correct approach given the ample supply of pitching prospects.
I’ve never said they couldn’t use pitching. What I have said is they don’t need someone like Clevenger, since the in-house options are just as good, if not better.
But feel free to find anything I’ve posted, and repost it, that supports your inaccurate take on what I’ve written.
Not a clever name
The track record the past 5-8 years is not good, outside of Duvall and Webb every pitcher they claim is the next great Major league talent ends up being a mediocre middle reliever with in 24 months.
Jean Matrac
All the pitchers from those past 5-8 years you refer to, are from the previous regime. Harrison is the first of Zaidi’s prospects to see any time in MLB so far.
bag o ballz
What pitchers are you talking about? None that were drafted by this front office- there have been very few guys graduate at all in the time period that you are talking about but there are at least 3 or 4 guys ready to come in from this front office come opening day that were either drafted and developed by this FO or acquired in trade and developed. So far the only pitchers that have debuted that were drafted by this FO are Ryan Walker and probably some other pen guy I am not thinking of but it isn’t many. The crop of guys coming up now are completely different than the guys that were drafted and developed a decade ago under a completely different group of people
its_happening
I have my answer. You won’t admit you were wrong in the fact your Giants need pitching. Thank you for the multiple paragraphs re-writing your previous opinions.
You’re also wrong about Clevinger. Your team still needs depth options. But I don’t want to be the one pointing out how incorrect you’ve been. It’s not nice, to be honest.
Jean Matrac
No you’re wrong. You’re wrong about me saying what you claim. You can’t find anything in any of my posts to substantiate your bogus claim, so it’s really you that can’t admit that you are the one that’s wrong. I will admit though that you are accurate when you say you’re mot being honest.
dubtastic
Because “seeing is believing”..and we all have not seen..but you’re definitely right, the staff definitely seen more than enough compared to the rest..
9er78
You are deranged,crawl back in your hole!
gmenfan
A starting pitcher? More like 3 at this point.
Pads Fans
After the Wheeler deal for 3/126, Snell won’t sign for 3/100. 3/110-120 would get it done and I think that happens in next day or so.
RoastGobot
Thankfully we added a reliever to start games
Blackpink in the area
As a Cardinal fan I can tell you Hicks is not a starter. But I think it’s fine to let him start until Cobb gets healthy. Hicks biggest problem as a starter was pitch counts. He would throw 100 pitched in 4 innings and wear out the pen. Not as big of a deal in April and again they need to cover Cobbs spot so it’s fine for now but he’s not a starter.
TigersLoveCinnamon
From what I’ve read, the cardinals never gave him a chance to stretch out in spring training. Just kinda threw him into starting. Could be wrong, but have seen that said a few times
Jean Matrac
Tigers, You’re not far from wrong. It isn’t that the Cards didn’t give him a chance to stretch out, no pitcher got that chance. That was the year the owners locked the players out. It was a truncated ST for everyone, but a worst-case scenario for someone like Hicks.
TigersLoveCinnamon
I didn’t realize they tried to start him in the covid year. Seems he actually could start, especially since that’s what he came up as, and the giants are seemingly giving him every chance to
Jean Matrac
it wasn’t the COVID year. It was 2022 when the owners and players were negotiating a new CBA. The owners locked out the players and ST started about 3-4 weeks late and was shortened. The regular season started about a week later than usual.
Blackpink in the area
4 innings 100 pitches. Wait and see. He will be relieving once Cobb gets healthy.
Jean Matrac
Are you referring to 2024 ST? If so, where did you come up with 100 pitches? MLB.com stats say 4.1 IP and 48 pitches. See for yourself:
mlb.com/player/jordan-hicks-663855?stats=career-s-…
That’s just over 11 pitches per inning. Four pitchers are trying to make the transition from reliever to SP this year, and Hicks probably has the best chance of success. So yes, absolutely, wait and see.
Jordan B
realistically how much would lorenzen or clevenger cost at this point. Go do it!
Pete'sView
Jordan B — Adding either of those scrubs would be an awful idea and waste of money. Either acquire a quality starter or count on one of the young arms. Even Ethan Small makes more sense that Lorenzen or Clevenger.
Blackpink in the area
Those aren’t scrubs both decent pitchers. Not amazing but wouldn’t cost a ton like a Snell or Montgomery might.
Jean Matrac
Zaidi has said that he’s not interested in back-end guys. Rather than spend on a 4-5 guy, let’s see what they have in their prospects. They have more pitching prospects than rotation spots. Using one for Lorenzen or Clevenger is a waste.
Unclemike1525
The dreaded Elbow strain. Never good.
Fraham_
Lol of course hjelle got injured too wild if they don’t add a starter
TellItGoodbye
I’ve been baffled at how the Giants keep trotting the Jelly out there. He’s been lights fully on every time. We’ve got loads of other young pitchers, why the need to stick with a guy who just doesn’t seem to be able to figure it out?
5TUNT1N
Like stated in the article, all his numbers are good/decent removing his era. Estimators think Hjelle is better than his performance, would be silly to kick him and let others take advantage.
worthington
And with a much improved Defense…he could benefit big-time.
Hexbreaker
Giants played terrible defense behind him, too.
Tom the ray fan
William Wallace is 7 feet tall
PaulyMidwest
Man this rotation already looks like the weak link before any injuries. With them piling up I don’t see how they don’t sign one or two of the remaining starters. If I was a giants fan I’d be hoping for Snell and Clevinger.
sascoach2003
Any good news this morning? Nothing but injuries. Spring has sprung!!
User 4223176798
Stupid Farhan. If he only kept Crawford then we’d have a lights out pitcher. Just kidding folks. At this point though everyone knows the Giants are desperate. Doubt they will get a deal on a pitcher even if they give up one or two top 10 prospects. Their best play is to sign a couple of free agent pitchers and flip them as the crippled return to action.
Mikenmn
I don’t think this necessarily opens the door (or wallet) for either Montgomery or Snell. To pay that kind of price, bust the cap, would imply that they really thought that they had a strong chance of making a run in the playoffs….but these same injuries make that less likely. Maybe Lorenzen or Clevinger, they get lucky.
splinkysf
This sounds mike a job for Clevinger.
He will mop up innings, and if he gets his ground ball, K and BB rates back in line, he can be a solid contributor on a one year incentive laden deal.
mark1623
Other than that Mr. Zaidi how was the play?
xtraflamy
All the Boras stooges in these comments are hilarious. The Giants are not desperate, and intentionally decided to give their young guys a try this season. They may still add or stand pat and add from prospect depth but will make a measured business decision in any case.
acoss13
Clevinger would help eat innings and provide a solid arm to the rotation and he’s not a Boras guy asking for a lot I would imagine. Definitely worth taking a look at.
oldgfan
Remember laws of physics state, for every bad news for Boras article there must be an equal and opposite article.
Nevrfolow
Can we call the A’s and ask to borrow Ross Stripling for the first few months?
CCCTL
John Fisher: The price is 41 home games at Oracle. I just ordered gold-leaf-covered avocado toast and I need my TV money.
Nevrfolow
sold! good thinking, I was thinking about adding that to sweeten the deal,
foppert2
No offence to Stripling, but I’d rather watch Whisenhunt.
Nevrfolow
I am interested in seeing Carson and Mason but would have been nice to have an extra veteran there till the boys return.
J. Azevedo
The Giants should trade Conforto, even if they have to kick in $8.5M, then sign Lauer. He was well above average in ’19, ’21 & ’22. That way they would stand about $12M below the treshold for the deadline.
Could move Wade to LF, with JD at 1B. Then trade Slater, Bart and a low level arm for a mediocre arm to be the long reliever/spot starter. That should push them closer to $15M in space. Matos deserves playing time as the 4th OF!
As a Giants fan, this is what I would like to see Farhan do…
TigersLoveCinnamon
Wade can’t play the outfield with his knees, otherwise he would have out there last year instead of Joc. More likely they trade Davis instead of slater since they don’t have many left handers, and he mashes righties. Matos put on some muscle, seems like he got a bit more power, is only spring training though. Him and Marco breaking out this year would be awesome
whyhayzee
I feel like Hjelle should be able to rebound.
CarolinaCubsandKush
Boras is gonna be calling SF every day until the season starts (at least) lol.. They have to add another starter with the money they’ve spent this offseason or talk about a waste.
SF6sparky
They’re playing chicken. Who’s gonna flinch first?? At least I hope that’s what’s going on. We need to add a couple starters. Snell or Montgomery would be nice if we didn’t overpay(by too much!), but I don’t see the down side of adding Clevinger and/or Lorenzen. I’d like to see the young arms, but not rely on them for two or three of the rotation spots. That’s a lot of pressure on them. Adding two possible veterans would be good depth, help with innings, and be more of a safety net if there are more injuries.
foppert2
8 weeks down is not too bad for Beck. Good news.
SFG.1
Losing Beck and Hjelle for whatever time it ends up being isn’t a huge loss. Either go with young players out of Triple A and Double A or go overpay for someone.
I remember when teams used to bring players up from Double A, but I don’t recall the Giants ever doing that.
Anyway hopefully if they do sign someone it’s the lesser of two evils and aren’t stuck with a lousy pitcher for 2 or 3 years.
JayRyder
Boras has us by the ***** now.
SFG.1
He can probably get a better deal today than he could have 2 days ago.
GSWfanklay
Just pay snell Farhan please I beg you please if you do us giants fans would be happy
Michol
5 Free Agents so far this offseaon, but yes we need Snell or Mongomery to be legit.
SFG.1
How about they just crazy and put a deal together for both?! Three years with opt-outs every year like the Chapman deal.
SFG.1
I didn’t think I’d see the day I’d say this, but I am liking this lineup.
CF – Jung Hoo Lee (L)
2B – Thairo Estrada (R)
1B – LaMonte Wade Jr. (L)
DH – Jorge Soler (R)
LF – Michael Conforto (L)
3B – Matt Chapman (R)
RF – Mike Yastrzemski (L)
C – Patrick Bailey (S)
SS – Marco Luciano (R)
scottn59c
I like it, too. Good combination of table-setters and thump. Wilmer’s bat helps, too.
But the rotation needs another piece or even two to help this team be competitive.
SFG.1
Yeah if they can clean up the pitching I think they will be competitive and have a shot at the playoffs. One and down in the playoffs would be a huge accomplishment in 2024, anything more will be a bonus.
mab51357
Still don’t have any confidence in Luciano as the everyday SS. He’s just doesn’t seem ready. Just because he’s been highly touted doesn’t mean he is. I really hope he’s what we’re looking for. I still think Ahmed gets a lot of playing time. Might not be a bad outcome anyway.
SFG.1
I agree with Luciano, but I think he needs a good look for a few months. He was only given 45 plate appearances in 2023 and somehow eeked out a 0.1 WAR which is better than anything negative. I’d wait until May to see where he’s at.
mab51357
Well we’ll see. Maybe if the rest of the lineup performs decent for the first month or two it will take some offensive pressure off to give him a better shot of figuring it out. Probably only me thinking this way but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ahmed as the opening day starter. That’s if Zaidi even lets Melvin make the call on that. My biggest hope is that Luciano takes the position and never looks back though. That would be the best outcome for Luciano and the team. Just have a gut feeling that won’t happen. Make me wrong Marco. Please.
GSWfanklay
Ditto
SFG.1
You’re right about Ahmed, it sounds like he’s off to a great start in camp.