As Spring Training continues, here are three things for MLBTR readers to keep an eye on throughout the day today:
1. What’s next for the Red Sox?
Fans in Boston received terrible news yesterday, as it was reported that likely Opening Day starter Lucas Giolito is suffering from a partially torn UCL and a flexor strain, a diagnosis that could put him at risk for season-ending surgery before the 2024 campaign even begins. The likely loss of Giolito is a huge blow to the Red Sox rotation, which now figures to feature right-hander Nick Pivetta as its lone veteran arm with youngsters Brayan Bello, Kutter Crawford, Tanner Houck, Garrett Whitlock, and Josh Winckowski likely to fill out the rest of the rotation in some combination.
Of course, the club could improve its stock in the rotation by looking to add an arm externally. The Red Sox have been connected to both southpaw Jordan Montgomery in free agency and White Sox right-hander Dylan Cease via trade throughout the offseason, though rumors regarding Cease have died down since camp opened last month. While the addition of either of the aforementioned arms would offer Boston a bona fide front-of-the-rotation arm, other options to shore up the club’s rotation such as Michael Lorenzen and Mike Clevinger are available more affordably and would still benefit the team.
2. Will we see more extensions this spring?
Spring Training tends to offer clubs and players a chance to negotiate extensions, before the grind of the regular season begins but after the heavy lifting of the offseason is already complete. We’ve seen a handful of extensions over the past month, with Bobby Witt Jr. and Jose Altuve both reaching agreements in early February while the likes of Mitch Keller and Zack Wheeler agreed to deals more recently.
Aside from those completed deals, there are still some rumored extension possibilities that have yet to come to fruition: The Astros have been candid about their desire to extend both third baseman Alex Bregman and outfielder Kyle Tucker, though it’s unclear how likely a deal is with either player. Meanwhile, the Red Sox are known to have had talks with both right-hander Brayan Bello and first baseman Triston Casas since camp opened last month. Will deals for any of the aforementioned players, or perhaps even a deal that hasn’t made its way into the rumor mill yet, come together before Opening Day?
3. When will deals come together for remaining mid-tier free agents?
Much of the conversation regarding free agency as of late has been dominated by Montgomery and fellow southpaw Blake Snell, the top remaining free agents on the market after fellow members of the “Boras Four” Cody Bellinger and Matt Chapman landed deals in Chicago and San Francisco respectively. With that being said, they’re far from the only players still looking for work. Lorenzen, who is reportedly seeking a two-year deal, and Clevinger also remain on the starting pitching market, while Ryne Stanek remains available out of the bullpen.
On the positional side of things, even more players remain available. Center fielder Michael A. Taylor is reportedly hoping to land a deal in the same ballpark as the one-year, $10.5MM pacts Kevin Kiermaier and Harrison Bader agreed to earlier in the offseason, while J.D. Martinez and Brandon Belt are the likely best hitters remaining on the market. In addition to that trio, the likes of Adam Duvall, Tommy Pham, Eddie Rosario and Donovan Solano all remain available on the market after turning in solid performances as regulars last year. With a dozen free agents of note remaining on the market and just three weeks until Opening Day, will all these players find homes before the start of the regular season?
Old York
Given that the Sox aren’t planning to be competitive in 2024, there’s no point in trying to sign one of those albatross contracts with Montgomery or Snell, unless it’s a 1-year contract and they could flip them to a team in the playoff hunt at the deadline.
DBH1969
I was thinking the same thing. The problem is any that any 2 year deal will include an opt out after the season so any value will be greatly diminished.
Old York
@DBH1969
Exactly, which is why I said if it’s a 1-year deal, it might be worth it for the Sox but beyond 1-year, it’s not beneficial.
DBH1969
Point taken, York. Not a bad idea I guess. If the player blows up, it’s only a 1 year loss.
Guess at this point it is worth the chance
KingKen
Even a 1 year deal doesn’t make much sense. If the Sox were unlikely to make the playoffs when they thought Giolito was healthy simply replacing him with Montgomery or Snell for the season just replaces what they lost in Giolito and still had them unlikely to make the playoffs, just spending at least $25M more in the process. It would be different if the Sox had been viewed as a solid playoff contender and the loss of Giolito dropped them back from that, but that’s not the case. Spending that much just to get back to “fringe playoff chance if everything breaks right” isn’t really a wise way to run a team. Especially since everything clearly hasn’t been breaking right early on.
Old York
@KingKen
Fair enough. My point being, I don’t see the need to get worried, given that the team wasn’t planning to be competitive this year.
CujoMarlin
I’m worried about a one-year deal for a pitcher that didn’t have spring training. Is this year going to be normal for these guys?
Fever Pitch Guy
York – It’s the opposite. Even if Monty would accept a 1-year deal instead of a 1+PlayerOption deal, it would obviously be at a very high dollar amount. Why would the Sox give him $30M+ for a year that they don’t plan to compete?
If the Sox do plan to compete in 2025 as some fans think, then you’d want Monty on at least a $100M/4yr contract. There will be a scarcity of quality SP free agents next offseason, better to give a discounted longterm deal now than a bloated longterm deal next offseason …. but again, that’s only if certain they will try to compete in 2025.
Old York
Fever Pitch Guy just schooled me.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ken – Monty or Snell “just replaces what they lost in Giolito”?
That’s like saying a Ferrari “just replaces what they lost in a Chevy Bolt”.
Gio has a 4.89 ERA over the past two seasons, that’s a #5 SP on most teams. I know the Red Sox hyped him as a #1 SP but he is what his numbers say he is. If the Sox signed Monty they would be in better position to contend than they were two weeks ago when they thought Gio was healthy.
Fever Pitch Guy
Cujo – Probably not. What happens (or doesn’t happen) at the start of the year usually impacts the remainder of the year. ST is an important six weeks of the year, Snell and Monty have already missed more than half, even if they signed today they likely wouldn’t pitch until mid-April.
LordD99
Snell and Montgomery will get no worse than the three-year deals with opt outs after years one and two similar to Bellinger and Chapman. And why Fenway for a pitcher? It inflates offense more than any AL park and the Red Sox aren’t projected to be good.
Salzilla
If it’s a one year deal they want just spend less on a Clevinger and call it a day. Let those “albatrosses” go to contenders that could use them.
thecrocusesareinbloom
People seem to think that losing Giolito means ownership will be motivated to “plug a hole” in the rotation, but to my mind it only makes them less likely to invest in a flawed-by-design team that they were reluctant to spend money on in the first place. Hope everyone’s ready to watch Chris Murphy pitch every 5 days by the time June rolls around.
Old York
@thecrocusesareinbloom
What’s wrong with him pitching? Over a limited number of innings, he underperformed his actual ERA, with a FRA of 4.05, meaning he pitched better than his ERA suggests. And if you don’t like FRA as a metric, xERA said he pitched to a 3.63 ERA. K-BB% is 15%, which is not terrible and he limited the exit velocity to 87.1, which is lower than the MLB league average of 88.4. So far, in Spring Training, he’s looking pretty decent. Should be a decent #4 or 5 guy for the rotation.
thecrocusesareinbloom
I actually like Murphy, too—I like all of the guys the Sox could run out in the rotation at this point—but none of them are what you might call a “sure thing.” That lack of consistency or true workhorses in the rotation has really dogged them the last few seasons; they’ve repeatedly contended until August and then completely fallen off a cliff because their rotation is gassed. Maybe the better way to frame my observation is: if Murphy and others like him, who are meant to be depth pieces, are already pitching by midseason, we’re in for a long summer.
I never liked the Giolito signing and was vocal about that when it happened. Since the Sox are clearly not going all-out to win, I’d rather they throw the young arms out there and see what sticks. But that doesn’t mean it’s going to be pretty to watch.
Salzilla
Too many guys that had pretty decent seasons still out there. Surprising they aren’t already in camps.
DBH1969
It was reported that the Sox made Gioloto change his grip and delivery on his slider. That is the Sox for you. Take what is not broken and break it.
RunDMC
It’s hard to say that a guy with a career 4.44 FiP with bad numbers since ’21 doesn’t have some room for improvement, especially if they’re entrusting him to be their ace.
DBH1969
East to say with a dude who previously had TJS and found a way to stay healthy. You don’t fix that, bro.
RunDMC
Good luck finding a pitcher that hasn’t had TJS in this day and age. For ex: LAD’s future rotation options has had half a dozen TJS (Ohtani: 2, Glasnow: 1, Buehler: 2, Paxton: 1, B. Miller: 1, Kershaw: 0 (but had shoulder surgery recently), Yarbrough: 1 — it’s a part of baseball. A successful baseball team works with it, not against it.
Longinus
“Made”, lol. As if pitching coaches and pitchers don’t routinely try different approaches in an attempt to improve results, and as if this were imposed on him. Some people want to take the common and turn it into a mountain just to inflate or create a point of criticism.
PKCasimir
The Red Sox situation is precisely the type of thing Boras was able to exploit in the past and get absurd long term deals for his clients. I don’t think it will work this time. Owners have smartened up.
Longinus
Not quite. I agree with you that he’s waiting for an injury like this, but it has to be for a team that is highly motivated to contend this year. While the negativity for Boston’s 2024 projection has been overblown by some, there is no way to argue that they are trying to “contend” this year; it looks like competitive is the aim, for now at least. Boras will have to continue to wait!
lfcredsox
does it look like that?, they are far worse now then last years last place team, maybe in the central they would qualify as competitive, in the east they are a joke
Goose
What’s next for the Red Sox?
Who they are taking #1 overall in the 2025 draft after they lawn dart hard. I don’t know which ownership went from heroes to zeroes harder, the Patriots or the Red Sox.
DBH1969
I think they should just let the kids play. If they sign a good starter then they finish maybe 4th instead of 5th. Save the resources for next year. See which of the young players are long term solutions and who is trade bait
Longinus
They’re not tanking, they just aren’t pushing to contend. A lot of people rightly see that as unacceptable for a franchise like that, but odds are another season of roughly a .500 level team.
JoeBrady
Longinus
They’re not tanking, they just aren’t pushing to contend.
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I’m not sure why more people don’t understand this.
They had a 81/81 Py W/L. and lost Sale, Duvall, JT, and Verdugo, added a few BP arms, and probably Abreu & Rafaela.
At this point, it won’t be a big season, but also won’t be much worse than last year.
User 4204968895
I would’ve been fine with them signing Lorenzen a while ago, but at this point, there is no point. Red Sox have made their bed for this season – now they have to sleep in it.
30 Parks
I’d pass on Montgomery & Cease. Sox are not going to compete this year, it’s too late to fix this poorly constructed roster – reap what you sow.
solaris602
I know Lorenzen is looking for 2 years, but Clevinger likely will take one, and that might be the way they need to go. Snell/Montgomery would be nice but a massive waste of money at this point.
User 4204968895
Unless it’s to trade Clevinger before the deadline, I don’t think he adds much to the 2024 Red Sox.
JoeBrady
If nothing else, just to show the fans you are doing something. No matter what happens, Clevinger should have no long-term negatives.
User 4204968895
Fair enough
bmann300
With all these players not having a team to play for- Is expansion in the very near future?
thecrocusesareinbloom
MLB has made clear that yes, it probably is. Exciting!
JRamHOF
It feels like Nashville will inevitably be one of the two next expansion cities. I wouldn’t be surprised to see another franchise in the South at some point, as the Braves are practically on an island out there.
Ronk325
Nashville and Charlotte are the two most obvious cities for an expansion team. Although I’d argue the two Florida teams could just move to those cities since they have poor attendance on a yearly basis
I.M. Insane
Exciting? More like over-saturation. They should eliminate four teams, not add some.
slider32
Look for a contender like the Astros to sign one of these pitchers to a short term deal!
olmtiant
At this point and probably even before this news… let’s see what we have…. Let all the youngsters ( and oldsters with some thing to prove) play 450 -550 at bats…. 140-165 innings pitched. Time to think of who’s with us to the championship rebuild of years to come. The minor league guys… Mayer/ York/ etc… time for their cup of coffee… as many games at bats where you don’t lose a year on them… I get it nation…. It’s mostly kids… but I also remember a team of mostly kids in 1980.. that pulled off the unthinkable…( and a few were from Boston/ New England)…
Fever Pitch Guy
Olm – Are you talking about the US Olympic Men’s Hockey Team in 1980?
If so, great analogy!
olmtiant
BOOM…. Hard to believe Fever but my favorite sports moment ever!!!! Yes even more than 04 and R.B. Striking out G Sanchez!!!!
User 2161944466
Maybe Bregman sees how’s his agent has handled his other free agent clients this year and decides to sign an extension
Melchez17
I thought for sure Giolito would be a great addition. The guy has had some amazing years… ’19, ’20 and ’21. If he was healthy and on a team that could work with him, I thought he’d be a top starter again.
solaris602
If you saw him pitch last year with CWS, LAA, and CLE you’d know the contract BOS gave him was insane. It was a bad idea that’s only gotten worse. Now they’re probably looking at having him return around mid-2025, and even then it’s a half season of him finding himself at best.
Fever Pitch Guy
solar – The Red Sox made it very clear, in both their words and actions, that they refuse to compete for free agents. They will not offer more than what they value the player at, and clearly they valued Gio as if he was the 2021 version. It was a horrific signing.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
It wasn’t that bad to bite the bullet for a year or two. Stats actually show he was very good before the trade. But a lot of money in two years or one year isn’t so bad as long as he pitches. If he doesn’t perform, he’s gone
jvent
Red Sox or Angels should sign Snell and the Mets Montgomery
aragon
Angels should sign either Snell or Montgomery then sign one of the FA starting pitchers next offseason.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
No thanks on Snell. John Henry wouldn’t buy anyway. Montgomery is a better option
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Please start Winckowski and move Whitlock to the pen. It’s a no brainer!