The Red Sox announced they have signed right-hander Brayan Bello to a six-year extension with a club option for 2030. It will give the team an extra two years of control over the 24-year-old and reportedly has a $55MM guarantee. Bello had previously been controllable through the 2028 season, but the Sox have locked in one would-be free agent year and also secured a club option for a second season that’s said to be valued at $21MM. Bello is represented by ISE Baseball.
Chris Cotillo of MassLive was among those to relay the full breakdown. Bello will get a $1MM signing bonus and salary of $1MM here in 2024, followed by successive salaries of $2.5MM, $6MM, $8.5MM, $16MM and $19MM. There’s also a $1MM buyout on the $21MM club option. There are also bonuses and escalators based on Cy Young voting and All-Star selections.
Bello, 25 in May, was signed out of the Dominican Republic for a modest bonus of $28K. But he continued to find success as he moved up the minor league ladder, climbing prospect lists in the process. Baseball America had him in the 15-20 range of their list of the top 30 Red Sox prospects in 2020 and 2021, then vaulted him up to #5 going into 2022. That was based on a 2021 season wherein Bello tossed 95 1/3 innings on the farm with a 3.87 earned run average, 32.8% strikeout rate and 7.7% walk rate while also keeping about half of balls in play on the ground.
He was added to the club’s 40-man roster late in 2021 to keep him out of that year’s Rule 5 draft. In 2022, he posted a 2.76 ERA at the Triple-A level and also got to make a brief major league debut, tossing 57 1/3 innings. His 4.71 ERA in that time wasn’t especially strong but his 55.7% ground ball rate and .404 BABIP suggested at least some of that was misfortune.
Last year got out to a shaky start, as he began the year on the injured list due to some elbow inflammation. He returned in mid-April and had a couple of shaky starts before the Sox decided to option him to the minors. An injury to Garrett Whitlock led to a quick return for Bello and it was at that point that he put together a strong stretch of work that established him as a viable big league hurler.
From his April 28 recall through the end of August, he made 21 starts for the Sox with a 3.20 ERA. His 19% strikeout rate was below average but his 6.4% walk rate and 55% ground ball rate were very strong. He seemed to run out of gas at that point, as he allowed 22 earned run in 26 September innings. Between the poor finish and the rough start, Bello ended up with a 4.24 ERA on the year overall, but the middle section of the season clearly opened some eyes.
It’s obviously a bit favorable to Bello to exclude his worst results, but he was a bit banged up at the beginning of the year and the thud at the end could be chalked up to last year being his largest innings tally thus far. The Sox clearly believe he’s capable of taking a step forward if they are willing to invest in him. He’s already shown he can keep the ball on the ground and the strikeouts might come around eventually, as his 11% swinging strike rate in his career so far is right around league average and he’s punched out 28.9% of hitters faced in the minors.
The Sox have very little starting pitching certainty going forward. Lucas Giolito was signed to a two-year deal this offseason but he now seems to be facing a significant absence due to a partially-torn UCL and a flexor tendon strain. Nick Pivetta is slated for free agency after 2024. That leaves their long-term rotation mix consisting of Bello, Kutter Crawford, Tanner Houck and Garrett Whitlock. Those are talented arms, but each of Crawford, Whitlock and Houck are still somewhat unestablished, with none of them having tossed 130 innings in a major league season yet. On BA’s current list of the top 30 prospects in the system, only two of the top 10 are pitchers, with Wikelman Gonzalez at #7 and Luis Perales at #9. The latter has yet to reach Double-A and the former has less than 50 innings pitched at that level.
Given those options, it’s understandable why the Sox wanted to build around Bello. And from the player’s perspective, his small bonus means he has yet to bank meaningful earnings, unlike a top draft pick or hyped-up international player who may already have millions stashed away. Bello’s service time clock is currently at one year and 82 days, meaning he wouldn’t have even reached arbitration until after the 2025 season.
A deal has seemed like a strong possibility for some time now. Back in January of last year, the young righty expressed his openness to such an arrangement and reporting from July suggested the club would likely broach the subject at some point. A few weeks ago, further reporting indicated that the two sides were discussing a new deal and it seems they are now making some headway.
As shown in MLBTR’s Contract Tracker, Bello is just the fifth pitcher with between one and two years of MLB service time to sign an extension in the past eight years. The two most recent examples — Cincinnati’s Hunter Greene and Atlanta’s Spencer Strider — signed six-year deals worth $53MM and $75MM, respectively. Strider’s contract is a record for this service class and was never likely to be matched by Bello. But the Boston right-hander will settle in just north of Greene’s deal, which was surely a point of focus for Bello and his camp.
Extensions usually feature climbing salaries as the years progress, roughly mirroring the arbitration process. The Sox currently have little on the books that would coincide with the most expensive years of this potential extension. Rafael Devers is under contract through 2033, but no one else is guaranteed a contract beyond 2027. Trevor Story and Masataka Yoshida are the only players guaranteed a salary beyond 2026. Adding Bello to that mix will put another salary of note on the payroll and modestly add to the team’s luxury ledger, but the extension is nonetheless an affordable means of locking in some stability while giving the team some upside in the event that Bello takes his game to a new level.
Alex Speier of the Boston Globe first reported that the two sides were in “advanced” talks on a deal. ESPN’s Kiley McDaniel broke the news that the two parties had agreed on a six-year, $55MM deal.
all in the suit that you wear
Sounds good to me!
nailz#4life
sounds like his elbow is not good to him, Have the redsox not learned yet not to pay injured players ?
Fever Pitch Guy
nailz – All the Red Sox see is a discount, they don’t care about declining performance or injury history. The less money they spend, the happier they are. It’s not about winning, it’s about profits.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Fever, sorry man off-topic, but I had to share my disgust after reading yesterday’s profile in the Athletic on Alex Cora. If you need a good puke & a wretch, I recommend it highly. I have never heard someone so arrogant & completely enamored with himself. Can you believe that hubris?? You’ll see my comment, I was beside myself. Sorry for the rant.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – No need to apologize my friend, if it’s related to the team in the above article then it’s not off topic. I haven’t read the Athletic article yet, but I will. Not surprised with your impression of him. Joey played several years with the M’s, was he the same way?
All anyone needs to know about Alex Cora is this: When he took over as manager of the Red Sox in 2018, he BRAGGED to the team about his Astros “stealing” a World Series championship the prior year.
Did he temporarily forget those very same Red Sox players lost to his Astros in that year’s ALDS because of his cheating? Nope … he just didn’t give a damn. That’s a hardcore sociopath right there.
whyhayzee
Joey came to Vanderbilt from Puerto Rico. Since he knew no English, he majored in Mathematics. He was an Academic All American and a 1st round pick.
whyhayzee
Cora denied feeling any sense of urgency, but Red Sox camp is notably livelier and more intense than in recent years. At first, Cora attributed the difference to the team being younger and more athletic. When pressed, he added, “And we sucked last year.”
Doesn’t exactly sound arrogant.
RobM
Fever, I wonder if they also felt a bit compelled to get some “good” news out there after the Giolito news yesterday. They were no doubt working on this f0r a while, but it seemed to accelerate in the last couple days, with the leak coming out within hours of the Giolito news.
Fever Pitch Guy
hayzee – if that means he’s working them harder than usual as “punishment” for their record last year, I don’t see how you view that as him being humble. This is a guy who repeatedly blamed the team’s failures on Bloom for not getting good players. Show me some quotes in which he blames himself for losses, that would be evidence of some humility.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rob – Entirely possible. I was also thinking the timing happened to coincide with ESPN showing up at Fenway South today for national coverage of their game. Breslow was interviewed during the game, this gave him something positive to talk about.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Yeah. Most of the hubris people are on here.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Overconfident; satisfied with himself, here’s Cora talking about how he has owned Boston and made his imprint: “Over the years — I hate to say it this way, because it feels like I’m bragging — but I have controlled the narrative since 2017,” said Cora, referring to his hiring by the Red Sox at the end of that season. “Twice a day on that bench (in spring training), twice a day in Fenway, no one can say he hasn’t been able to deal with Boston.”
Here’s some more arrogance, I thought, in thinking he’s so great with the media: “This is Cora’s sixth season leading the Red Sox. He described managing in Boston as both hard and fun, and certainly did not sound overwhelmed by it. “People think dealing with the media is tough,” he said. “Eh, maybe. Jim Rice said it. If you do it right and you’re accountable, it’s not that tough.” I watched Cora in post-game interviews, I thought there couldn’t be a worse communicator in baseball, never offering any accountability and just barely mumbling his words.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – I always tell people, there’s a fine line between confidence and arrogance. He has gone way beyond that line.
I read the article, but saw only three comments posted yesterday. There has to be more because the third comment is a response to someone else. I’m guessing the second comment is yours …. ironically I just had a gyro for dinner.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Fever I don’t think you expanded the comments fully, there should be 80+ comments. And I’m under the same moniker. Thanks for checking though! (Reading all the pro-Cora comments was as frustrating as reading his own comments in the piece. Everybody wanted to give him a pass and say he could only do so much with what he was given.)
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – I couldn’t see any way to expand comments, is an account required? I don’t have one.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Oh I see. Yeah that’s probably the deal. I’ll see if I have any free monthly subscription codes left, I’ll shoot you one if I do. Have a good weekend.
User 3180623956
Ignorance- Agreed. I’ve never heard cora be accountable for the team’s poor play.
User 4204968895
This would be good, and Sox fans need good news right now.
deweybelongsinthehall
It’s good long term but doesn’t do anything for the immediate future since the only way he leaves in the coming years is via trade or release. Sox fans also need ownership to spend “our” money on imported quality talent that would better the team now. That’s right, it’s collectively the fans’ money.
User 4204968895
I agree with you, but I’m concerned they view 2024 as a lost cause.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Considering how the season hasn’t even started, it’s a far cry from a “lost cause.” We don’t look good right now but you never know until you play. Writing off anything at this point is stupid.
SODOMOJO
I will say, I was just telling my sister who just took a job in Boston; that this is the worst team I have seen from them ON PAPER, since what, probably 2001? I was born in ‘88 and their rise to the ‘04 series is among my fondest baseball memories with the old man. We watched every single one of those playoff games from ‘03-04. In my opinion, baseball doesn’t get any better than that
So yeah, it’s pretty jarring to read over the roster as it sits now. They have been an institution in baseball.
NOW. If Houck and Whitlock are both good to go and pitching as well as they can. For some reason, the outlook is much better to me.
Fever Pitch Guy
SODOM – In 2001 they had arguably two of the best hitters (Manny & Nomar) in the game and definitely the best pitcher (Pedro) in the game. I’m not even including guys like Beck, Valentin etc.
The Red Sox were projected to be division champions with 98 wins.
You’d have to go back many decades for a Red Sox team with so little star power.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Hey SODO , is your sister single and does she like the Mariners ??? 😉
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Dang jimbo! That wasn’t very conducive to my self-esteem this early in the morning.
User 4204968895
Bres, doing not much and then pinning all your hope on an inside straight is as close to a lost cause as it gets…
I’m a Sox fan and I believe they’ll be good in a few years. I don’t at all believe they’ll be good this year. 20+ unlikely things would have to happen to reach that outcome.
ibuititnoonecame
1000% correct
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
@Mike Greenwell I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying wait and see. After all, ESPN said we would begood. I doubt it too, but we had flashes of good last year amid a season injuries.
2021 was completely improbable and we did well that year with Sale minimally pitching… anything can happen.
Poolhalljunkies
1997 is probably the most recent worst rostor def worse than current..and before you say Nomar..he was a rookie that year and nobody really knew what he would the rest .very unimprsssive..ie steve avery to replace clemens
KingKen
Do you also demand that Hollywood make the movies you’d prefer with “your” money or are you only this delusional when it comes to the Sox?
'Tang It
There’s literally nothing they can do at this point that drastically changes the immediate future. Montgomery is not the guy everyone wants him to be and they aren’t trading any top guys. We may as well accept another rough year is coming. They do need bodies though. I’m confused as to why we haven’t signed like 10 minor league contracts with starters. At least get depth if we’re going with crap.
GASoxFan
Tang – it comes down to $$$$. Henry has drawn the pursestrings so tight that breslow was seen checking the breakroom couches for loose change every couple days.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Duvall is there for the taking. He seemed a good fit (when healthy) last season. Juran Duran may have a lingering foot issue , so it may not hurt to sign another outfielder.
elmedius
If Duran gets hurt I’m assuming they’ll stick Yoshida back in LF and DH Cron.
JoeBrady
Duvall is there for the taking.
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Even if Duran is hurt, the starting OF will be O’Neill, Ceddanne & Abreu, with Ref/Yoshi being our #4/5.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – Don’t say that about Blondie! I’ve got big money riding on him to be the SB Champion. And Stott too, but I prefer Blondie wins it!
foppert2
I struggle with the “our money” thing. If you buy a ticket, you get a ticket. If you buy a cap, you get a cap. If you buy a jersey, you get a jersey. If you buy a MLB TV subscription, you get games on TV. The notion that the money is still yours after you purchase those things is weird.
GASoxFan
Foppert – my *guess* is that the dissatisfaction for many fans comes from if you paid for a Mercedes, and got handed the keys to a Hyundai.
Not all mlb ticket prices are equal. Get advertised that a ‘full throttle’ premium product is coming, and you renew tickets being charged a premium rate, you have a right to expect a premium product.
foppert2
I can accept that. If Sox fans are paying a premium, then a premium is what is expected in return. Fair enough. As you were.
Fever Pitch Guy
fopp – I think he’s saying without fans, the Red Sox wouldn’t have any ticket revenue. The fans’ money is what generates it, just like taxpayer money gives government the ability to spend. We all have the right to complain about how “our” tax money is spent.
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – No team has been crucified more for failing to use legit MLB players in ST road games than the Red Sox. All those Red Sox fans who paid a premium to see a Red Sox spring training game in Tropicana Field last year didn’t get to see even one legit MLB guy in the lineup. I know they don’t get ticket revenue from road games, but as usual they totally screwed their own fans who were expecting to see at least two recognizable MLB players on the Sox.
Look at the position players who played:
Bleis
Chacon
Mayer
Ravelo
C. Hamilton
R. Hernandez
Kavadas
Lugo
Liendo
Simas
Binelas
Jordan
Paulino
Ferguson
Absolutely ridiculous.
foppert2
That one I’m not so keen on.
I have an alternate analogy. I owned a cafe for a few years. It was cool. Had my regulars (fans) and without them, I’m probably out of business. I appreciated that, but their daily cappuccino wasn’t buying them a say in who tomorrow’s cute little barista was going to be. I purchased, and was working for that right in a totally seperate transaction.
WCSoxFan
Multiple ‘Red flags’ in that statement. People who own businesses should look at this as a lesson in ‘what not to do’. Hopefully the Red Sox ownership does better.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@foppert oh foppert I hope you abided by equal-opportunity employment decisions when it came to hiring those cute baristas…SMH I could see myself maybe putting my thumb on the scale a little too heavily for my preferred candidate. Good thing I never owned a cafe.
'Tang It
Keep in mind that if all “fan money” went away, they’d still have a ton of revenue sources. Now this doesn’t stand up long outside of a vacuum, but my point is that they don’t care about your dollar as much as you’d think.
'Tang It
You can’t complain about lineups and especially not spring training ones. There are a million reasons guys aren’t played in certain spring games. Remember, this is for the players to practice and get ready, not to entertain you. You shouldn’t spend money on a spring game if you’re concerned about the product on the field.
JoeBrady
Bleis
Mayer
Kavadas
Binelas
Jordan
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1-Those are exactly the players I’d want to see. Same as I prefer the Futures Game over the AS game. Same as why I prefer the NFL Combines over the NFL AS game, or whatever it is called.
2-ST is for conditioning and to take a look at the #24-25-26 guys on the team. If you buy ST tickets to starts getting 4-5 ABs, you wasted your money.
3-Besides Binelas, do the other 4 guys I listed even have any ST ABs? Neither CBS nor BR show any ABs for them.
Fever Pitch Guy
fopp – That’s different though, customers came to your place mostly for the food and drink. Sure cute baristas are good for business, but that wouldn’t matter to anyone if the food and beverages were sub-par.
Fever Pitch Guy
Tang – No need to imagine, it happened in 2020. No fans in attendance.
And guess what? The Red Sox and other teams suffered massive losses.
Fever Pitch Guy
Tang – I’m well aware of the reasons why regulars don’t usually make the longer road trips. Sure they don’t enjoy the travel. But if you think money is not a factor in the Red Sox playing 80% of their regulars in ST home games and less than 20% in ST road games, then I’ve got another bridge year to sell you.
It doesn’t affect me because I know how the Red Sox operate, but for casuals it’s false advertising to promote a game featuring the “Red Sox” when not one player participating in the game wearing a Sox uniform has sniffed playing regular season games in Fenway.
ibuititnoonecame
They do care about your dollar
PKCasimir
Absolutely ridiculous, indeed. Grow up. Start living in the real world. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to buy a ticket.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – I can understand an avid baseball fan wanting to see the prospects, but any ST game crowd is like 90% fans that want to see players they recognize.
Which is why the Braves/Sox “Spring Breakout” game tickets are selling at literally 1/3 the price of regular ST games. You can get Home Plate Box Seats right now for just $22.50.
I repeat, ZERO starters played in this one game. And not sure why you can’t see ST AB’s for those guys you listed.
Here’s the box score:
espn.com/mlb/game/_/gameId/401480884
Fever Pitch Guy
Gator – Signing Bello longterm means fewer idiotic free agent pitcher signings like Giolito, so this is good news even if Bello never has a sub-4 ERA.
deweybelongsinthehall
Depends on the signing Fever. Ownership spends a nickel and they will make sure fans pay back a quarter so they have money to spend outside of the sport.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – Of course. Let’s hope Bello’s extension works out better than Whitlock’s and Barnes’ extensions.
User 4204968895
Thanks for remembering my nickname. And yes, this seems better than shoveling a ton of dough toward whatever veteran arms are left.
Fever Pitch Guy
Gator – I was the president of the Greenwell Fan Club.
The three things I remember most about him?
1) He got screwed out of the 1988 MVP by the juicing Canseco.
2) He drove in all 9 Red Sox runs in a game out in Seattle.
3) He put Mo in his place during a BP dustup in Anaheim.
One of these days I’ve got to get to his Family Fun Park during ST.
Trollfree
Mike – Stupid action avoidance is not a reason to do a deal. It will still happen regardless.
User 4204968895
Fever, the Gator was absolutely screwed out of the 88 MVP.
Jaa1968
Yeah his ERA is high but the kid is young and making gains
Trollfree
Fever – I see no causal relationship between a Bello signing and less lunacy by the front office. Sorry not buying the argument.
Bad GMs do bad contracts and doing a Bello contract before ST 2026 is a bad contract so it’s likely to happen and give us even more to complain about.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – Less holes to fill, less reason to sign guys like Gio and Kluber and so many other SP who are busts.
BabeRuthsPiano
Hey Gator how has life been after playing with the Red Sox. You still live in Florida Sir.
NewYorkSoxFan
Sign Casas next!
soxshortstop
Much more excited about Casas than Bello. Bello so far….meh, maybe slightly higher than meh. Hope he turns out good..
NewYorkSoxFan
Casas definitely has proved more and is more deserving
Trollfree
NewYorkSoxFan – Not true. Casas and Bello are both unknowns at this point with decent upsides but not a big enough sample size to consider a long term contract.
Only an idiot does a LT contract during the pre-arb years.
'Tang It
Yeah because all those big time free agents are always worth their money. The young guys are the ones you should gamble on. If you miss, it’s smaller dollars than the prices of the world and if you hit, you’ve got a star, for cheap, for years. Look at the braves. There is a reason they are good.
JoeBrady
Only an idiot does a LT contract during the pre-arb years.
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LOL! The Braves would like a word with you.
redsoxu571
@’Tang It, To build on your comment, I think that’s especially true for BIG market teams. They’re the ones who won’t suffer from the scale of contracts pre-arb guys get; if/when the deals work, it extends control and very reasonable luxury tax figures, and if/when they don’t work out it’s a minor bad item on the ledger. Huge free agent and proven star retention deals are gigantic, and as they come a bit later in a player’s career they often end up covering a lot of decline (or worse). Those contracts are essentially break-even at best, with much larger downsides.
Absolutely granted that the economics of smaller-market teams are different and deals like this can lead to trouble for those, but that’s not an issue in Boston’s case.
'Tang It
Exactly. There is very little downside to a team like Boston.
RobM
Casas has a touch over two career bWAR, He had a nice second half in 2023, but a solid three months does not mean he’s a stud hitter.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t sign him to an extension, but it depends on how much and for how long.
'Tang It
I do think there is a limit. If Boston is offering him 150m and he turned it down, then so be it. But I suspect it’s more like 75 at best and you can’t low ball his potential like that. I think they should offer 100m and if he refuses, wait until next off season to try again.
hiflew
Sweet. They needed to get him signed before he got hurt.
deweybelongsinthehall
Hiflew, it would be just like this ownership to offer a player a big extension AFTER they got hurt (as long as it improves the corporate brand).
FenwayFanatic
Could it be????
Big whiffa
Hope he can start every other day. If not Red Sox be wise to spend that money on more arms instead
Fraham_
Top 10 pitcher in baseball
just_thinkin
Lol
Fraham_
I’m a Yankees fan too but this guy is probably the next Pedro martinez
just_thinkin
Come on.
You’re calling this guy not only a Hall of Famer, but one of the best Hall of Famers ever, based on… a decent year where he threw 150 innings with a 4.24 ERA and a below average K-rate?
Let’s pump the brakes. Like, is Dean Kremer the next Greg Maddux because he threw 170 innings with a 4.12 ERA last year?
Fraham_
Come back to this comment in 5 years and we’ll see who’s talking
Troy Percival's iPad
Bobby Miller is the next Bob Gibson, You heard it here first
just_thinkin
You didn’t answer my Dean Kremer question though.
Fraham_
Dean Kremer got lucky he’s more of a Rich Hill
just_thinkin
Rich Hill the lefty with the 80 mph fastball?
Kremer is a righty who can hit 96.
I am wasting my time here.
User 4204968895
Bello could be one of the better starters in baseball in a year or two. He keeps the ball in the ballpark. He has good stuff.
I get that you seized on someone calling him top 10, or whatever this is about, but it’s not like Bello is some stiff. He’s a good piece for the Sox to build around, as is Casas.
olmtiant
I’d settle for Pedro Borbourn
Raysasineppswasplanted
You’re absolutely right justin thinking. Do you remember the yankees were touting Deivi García just that,the 2nd coming of Pedro? Where is he now? I Don’t mean Pedro, he’s in Coopatown but Deivi was released and i think the Pirates or KC grab him. Wish him well though.
hiflew
In fairness, Greg Maddux practically needed two pitches to get to 96. So the comparison is not really that good to begin with. Although I am fully aware that you were being sarcastic.
notstarboard
The sinker is more Bello’s game; no real point in focusing on K rate. His GB% was 56.3 last year compared to the league average of 44.6. And ERA is never good to focus on, but last year xERA agreed (4.21), so no harm no foul.
The question with Bello is around the four-seam fastball. His changeup is amazing and his slider & sinker are decent enough, but his four-seam got hammered last year. If he can improve his four-seamer, or change his pitch mix so hitters can’t exploit it, he could take a huge step forward in terms of results. I really think he will.
notstarboard
Kremer had a 4.96 xERA last year. He is cheeks.
Johnny Vander Meer
Dude give up. He thinks this kid is Pedro Martinez incarnate, he’s absolutely delusional. Not worth your time.
Trollfree
Mike – Bello and Casas WILL BE good pieces to build around once they have a track record of being good not just a small sample size. Put the wallet back in the pocket and bring it out in ST 2026.
Trollfree
In 2023 Kremer got 32 starts which makes him a workhorse. He gave up a hit an inning and walked 2.9 guys per 9 IP. Not great numbers but fine for the bottom of the rotation. His control dropped off and that cost him. in 2022, he was much better so 2024 should show what his trend will be going forward. Good control or below average control.
Bello has not been as dominant his first two years. He gives up way more than a hit an inning. His walks are comparable to Kremer when he’s bad. Overall, Kremer is the superior pitcher as of today but he’s a few years older. Bello may improve but is highly over rated by Red Sox fans. He’s a league average pitcher so far and needs to reduce his hits per 9 IP. Houck actually has the best stuff among the three I have mentioned because his Hits per 9 is by are the best but like Bello he has control issues as well.
Contracts for pitchers usually go to the guys with Hits per 9 that are far less than 1.0. Houck qualifies in that area and Bello does NOT.
No better reason to stop all the extension talks. He’s not an guy deserving of an extension as of today.
retsubllab
I’d settle for Pedro from Napolean Dynamite!!
Os1995
Why do you use xERA when stats like SIERA and xFIP are better indicators of a pitchers underlying performance?
notstarboard
If you have a good argument or link for why xERA is less indicative of performance, I’m all ears.
I don’t like xFIP because it assumes a league-average HR/FB%, which isn’t a fair way to judge a pitcher’s talent in my opinion. xERA considers the actual trajectories, which feels a lot more fair.
SIERA has multiple versions and isn’t listed in as many places, so it’s more cumbersome. It also only approximates batted ball data by looking at things like GB%, but doesn’t rely on actual launch angle / exit velocity stuff. It feels like an attempt from the pre-Statcast earlier era at approximating what xERA can do directly.
Os1995
The article from pitcher list suggests that SIERA and xFIP are more predictive than xERA. I think fangraphs also did a study that came up to a similar conclusion.
pitcherlist.com/the-relative-value-of-fip-xfip-sie…
C Yards Jeff
Speaking of the Orioles Kremer, is Grayson Rodriguez next up for this kind of deal? New owner in waiting; so maybe?
notstarboard
This article only shows which of these metrics is better at predicting future ERA. ERA is fundamentally decoupled from a pitcher’s performance, so I don’t think this is a good metric to use. Many of its flaws *may* come out in the wash in a large sample, but not necessarily; if other metrics have correlated flaws that persist to some extent year to year, they may have better agreement with ERA without actually indicating the metric better reflects performance, and vice versa.
Given that K-BB% was the most predictive of all metrics, and that none of these metrics were actually very good at predicting future performance, it seems unreasonable to discount xERA on this basis. If we are going to discard xERA on the basis of this article, we should also be prepared to discard all of these metrics in favor of K-BB%, and I’m simply not there. Should a successful groundball pitcher be penalized for pitching to contact? At a minimum you’d need K-BB% and GB% to have a good idea, and then we’re just right back to SIERA.
It just doesn’t sit right with me to resort to approximative methods when we have data on quality of contact. Take Corbin Burnes – he’s regarded as one of the top pitchers in the game, and for good reason. However, he only had a 4.02 SIERA last year and a 17.1 K-BB%. Among qualified pitchers he was just outside of the top half at 23/44 in both K-BB% and SIERA. He has an average GB% of 44.1, which doesn’t make him stand out any more in SIERA than in K-BB%, but xERA (correctly) loves him to the tune of a 3.40, 6th of 44 qualified starting pitchers, because he consistently generates weak contact. Of the 99 pitchers with 350+ batted ball events last year, he was 1st in Barrels/PA and 2nd in average exit velocity. That does not happen by accident over such a large sample, and any single metric that purports to evaluate pitching performance needs to reward that skill. xERA is the only one that is capable of doing so.
notstarboard
I appreciate the link though – it’s interesting to think about this stuff
I.M. Insane
Not even Top 15 in the A.L.
MLB Fanatic
A 5-year deal with a team option for a sixth? This allows him to reach free agency at 29/30.
unko
good!
Jake Biggar
Please and extend Casas next. I’m not getting my hopes up for anything though. I think I may have negative faith at this moment if that’s possible
Joemo
While I like Bello and hope an extension gets done, I feel like they should be focusing more on improving the current rotation.
It’s weird that Giolito potentially goes down for the year and then all of a sudden they’re so close to extension talks with Bello.
Red Sox ownership waving yet another white flag on the season.
notstarboard
These things usually take a while to develop. It’s not like Giolito got hurt and the first thing they did is call up Bello to suddenly ask him about extending.
Impressive mental gymnastics to turn extending Bello into a knock on ownership, though 😉
O'sSayCanYouSee
Good move for the Sawx. They have the core lineup, prudent to start locking up young arms.
They should get Casas locked up soon…price ticks higher by the day, and Casas and Devers for years in the middle of the lineup is scary.
Dorothy_Mantooth
If the Sox don’t replace Giolito with a quality starter, I don’t see them winning more than 70 games this year. I don’t care if the sign Monty or if they opt to spread out their money and sign Clevinger and Lorenzen to short term, 1-2 deals. They definitely need more experienced starting pitching if they hope to be .500 or better this season. Right now, they barely have enough bodies to field a 5-man rotation and they’ll need some reinforcements throughout the season for (hopefully) minor injuries. I’d be happy with both Clevinger & Lorenzen at this point.
notstarboard
Fangraphs projects 81 even after adjusting for the injury. 8 GB in the AL East, 4 GB in the Wild Card. That’s close enough that simple good luck could get them into the playoffs. They could use another starter for depth now, but it’s not immediately desperate.
mcase7187
If he’s smart he should run now this organization will blow for the next 20yrs till those scum owners sell
redsoxu571
The same “scum” owners who oversaw breaking the “curse”, four championships in a relatively short period of time, and found a way to preserve Fenway Park while boosting its suitability for today’s fans? Talk about overlooking the good people have done…
Fever Pitch Guy
redsoxu – No, it’s not the same owners.
Larry Lucchino was the President/CEO/Owner who wanted to win, the guy who mentored Theo, the guy who saved Fenway just like he built Oriole Park and Petco Field, and most importantly the guy who encouraged John Henry to spend on talented players that would help them win championships as well as generate a ton of revenue. .
Johnny utah
Damn is he really that good to get an extension already?
Joemo
He’s only 24 and was worth 3.1 bWAR last year with a bad second half. Second half issues were probably due to fatigue and the defense behind him.
First half he had a 3.04 era and allowed 8 hr. Second half 5.49 and 16 hr.
Those numbers should improve as it was his first full year starting in the majors. I also think Bailey is a better pitching coach than Bush
User 4204968895
Sinkerballer with a 55-60% ground ball rate. Not easy to find.
3768902
Brian Bellows plays baseball now?
CheapBloom
I like it. Now extend Casas and Duran also. We need to lock in a young core to build around. Us Sox fans need something to give us a little hope these days. Geez.
Gwynning
In recent talks, it seemed like Red Sox Nation was mildly “down” on Duran. Extend him or just let the neat year or two play out first?
JoeBrady
I wasn’t a fan. but he’s done better than I expected. He’ll be 32 when he becomes a FA, so I don’t think he’s expecting to break the bank. Probably best to move now.
Gwynning
Phone lines are open!
'Tang It
Duran is a different case. He’s older than you realize, so there’s not much benefit in locking him up. Casas for sure and if Anthony, Mayer or Teel show something in the majors soon, they should be looked at too.
cash3w
As a Braves fan, I think many of AA’s early extensions have paid off. I’m Unfamiliar with Bello, but his stats don’t seem to jump out to me as someone worth buying out ARB years. Is he a rising star finding his groove? I thought the same thing about Strider’s extension after only one entire season as a starter, but that shows what I know. Or is the salary increase where teams are willing to gamble for risk versus reward?
thecrocusesareinbloom
Evaluators are pretty high on Bello’s stuff, and I’ve definitely seen flashes of brilliance in his early showings, so there’s some precedent for a signing like this. I don’t know if I see Strider dominance in him (especially with Boston’s training staff, yeesh), but as a Sox fan I’d call it a smart investment.
What AA has done with the Braves is the most compelling model for how to build a roster around a young core that exists in the game. I’m happy for you guys and I hope you enjoy Sale while you have him!
GASoxFan
Bello worked last year and this year during ST with Pedro. I think to some degree they’re going off the feedback they’re getting about this kid’s stuff and the potential that is there to get unlocked.
As long as they don’t do something foolish like buy out FA years at $40m per, it’s probably a reasonable risk to throw money at.
cash3w
He seems slightly bigger than Pedro, but if he has the potential to be a similar pitcher, I get the reason for the extension.
Sabermetric Acolyte
There’s been times when he’s pitched where he showed true brilliance. I think his splits show he just needs to be stretched out more which will come with time and experience. I think he could be a solid front end starter.
notstarboard
Well of course, the Braves’ extensions have been borderline extortionate lol. Acuna and Albies’ families must have literally been held at gunpoint while they signed.
Bello has a very high ceiling and he was also only a $25k bonus guy. I think an extension makes sense for both sides.
thecrocusesareinbloom
If ownership starts actually committing money to locking up members of their young core, I might think about forgiving for them for this run of disastrous seasons. It would demonstrate some coherence to their long-term strategy that to this point has been lacking. Bello would be a good start!
acoss13
John Henry’s wallet has entered the chat.
Hopefully his wallet says yes!
Thec’s
Is his elbow blown out? Yes sign him! Then extend the other young players.
dirty617water
Should get more than what Mitch Keller got from the Pirates.
getrealgone2
How long after the ink has dried does his elbow blow out?
GASoxFan
The day after Cora gives him instructions on changing his mechanics.
Cooperdooper7
Sox should sign Montgomery and Michael Lorenzen. With Lorenzen worst case scenario they could move him at All -Star break/Trade Deadline if they are not competing for a Wild Card.
all in the suit that you wear
Lorenzen wants a 2 year deal. I doubt the Red Sox give him that. They already have a question mark next year in Giolito.
all in the suit that you wear
Cooper: If Lorenzen or Clevinger will take 1 year deal, I’m all for it and they can be traded as you say.
notstarboard
I think Clevinger would take one year. Whether he would take 1 year to be rotation depth, though… not sure. So, I could see maybe a Hill/Odorizzi type instead.
Trollfree
All – It’s a waste of time and money to get a guy on a 1 year deal. He’s not part of the future so we don’t need him. The team is a guaranteed 5th place team so either sign an all-star to a 5 or 6 years deal or don’t sign anyone and get a higher draft pick. Breslow already wasted money on O’Neill and Giolito. He needs to use the money with our future in mind not to put band aids on a cut above the knee when the bottom half of the leg is missing.
all in the suit that you wear
If the future is in the minor leagues and still 1-2 years away, you sign veterans to 1-2 year deals to field a team and not affect the plan for the future.
FatChance65
I have all the confidence that the front office can John Lester this and screw it up.
HEHEHATE
Bello before Casas? Idk about that one.
olmtiant
Like the Deion commercial…. BOTH!!
'Tang It
They’ve talked to both, but Bello had more traction. I hope they aren’t low balling casas like they did devers.
HEHEHATE
I just think the desperation is there for Bello, but I don’t think he deserves it either.
'Tang It
Deserved or not, this is the kind of thing they need to do more of. I’d rather sign young guys and have some fail then to spend hundreds of millions on free agents that don’t deserve it either. It’s those failed contracts like price, sale, Panda, etc that has caused John Henry to change course.
FatChance65
Tang—Add Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez to that list.
HEHEHATE
It’s smart money vs stupid money. I don’t think you pay a guy on an assumption to make him be a better pitcher. He either is or isn’t with a better offense around him. Casas deserves every penny. Bello? To me he is what he is and I wouldn’t consider it personally.
'Tang It
Even if he is what he is, that’s worth signing. Just depends on the contract, but I highly doubt it’ll be huge
Trollfree
Tang – You do realize Bello is signed for the next 5 years and only the amount of money might vary? He’s a free agent in 2029. They will pay him $1MM in 2024 and 2025, then his arbitration years could earn him between $20MM and $40MM depending on how good he is.
The key point ….. He’s already under contract the specific amount by year through 2028 is not yet defined. He’s going nowhere.
'Tang It
And look where that got us with mookie and the rest. I don’t care about control. You need to show a willingness to commit to a player. Also, those arbitration years get pretty damn expensive if the player is good. Lastly, we’re not talking about locking up chase meidroth here. I’m saying they should lock up guys that have the pedigree and some track record. If you wait years, then they’re gone.
JoeBrady
If you wait years, then they’re gone.
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It is the same thing in EVERYTHING. You can like a company’s stock, but if you wait until they’ve proven themselves, then the market has already corrected itself. Same with buying a house. Same with everything.
Fever Pitch Guy
Tang – Bad contracts will always happen, God knows Theo had his fair share. But as long as they made the postseason and won championships every few years John Henry was okay with the high payroll.
Cora is the one who started the chain of events (Dombrowski leaving, Henry going cheap) when he tanked the 2019 season before it even started.
Fever Pitch Guy
Fat – Lumping Adrian doesn’t make sense.
In his one full season with the Sox he put up a .957 OPS, led the league in hits, made the All-Star Team, won a Gold Glove, won a Silver Slugger, and finished 7th in MVP voting.
They traded him only because they wanted to dump the Crawford, Punto and Beckett contracts.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – I am so glad you mentioned stocks, one of my favorite topics outside of baseball and rock music.
Pre-arb players are like penny stocks … especially bio-techs. Sure there’s the occasional one that turns into a 10-bagger, but 98% of them will never earn you money and 95% of them will cost you to lose nearly everything.
Here’s a simpler way of explaining it: A bird in the hand is worth two in a bush.
Trollfree
HEHEHATE – TIMING is so critical. If Breslow signs him it’s like he went on a date and got too excited. The contract would be completely premature.
He’s an ARB 2 for god’s sake. His time is after 2025. You have a better understanding of his skills and you can cover his arb years and 3 to 5 FA years with a market fair offer. As of today, we have no idea how good Bello or Casas will be by the end of 2025. Sign them as they go into their arb years not during pre-arb years. It’s wasting money to do it now!!!!!
HEHEHATE
Casas makes me cream Bello I’m not even Chubbing yet. Take the lower numbers and make him prove it and earn it. I’d much rather take my chances on an already proven middle of the line up hitter today than paying my sun par pitcher gets his premature money hoping he doesn’t blow out his arm. Pitcher contracts are super risky. This isn’t worth the gamble right now by a long shot.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – Funniest analogy you’ve ever had! Hahaha!!!
User 2161944466
Opening day green monster seats range from 600-800 and I have no idea why
olmtiant
Peso”s???
'Tang It
Ha!
BloodySox
Make it 1000. Some bone head will pay it
JoeBrady
Opening day green monster seats range from 600-800 and I have no idea why
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Because people that go to the games are probably a bit older, and still remember what it was like to go to the game, have a couple of beverages, and just enjoy the camaraderie.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – I agree with you that a good percentage of people go to Fenway just to get hammered, in which case they aren’t even paying attention to the game.
They arrive late to the game because they were tailgating or drinking at a nearby bar.
They spend 25% of the game going to get beer.
They spend another 25% of the game going to the restroom.
But the point you missed is there’s still Monster seats available for the home opener …. the most in-demand seats to the most in-demand game of the season.
I might go just to watch them hang another last place finish banner.
'Tang It
This is good for more than one reason. It means ownership has a pulse and is willing to lock guys up. Bello is a good bet to be a useful arm. They need to get casas done though for me to feel like there is a plan.
GASoxFan
Casas needs to learn what defense is first. He saw what The Butcher pulled down and expects simular FA earnings, not realizing that the particular skill set they both share (error machines that have a hit tool) really peak off about 20m/yr during prime seasons and decrease beyond that. Devers just got lucky at the amount of bad press and the desperation of ownership due to having lost control of the narrative.
No way Casas is deserving of a 30m/yr FA years deal, and, if the team doesn’t get a discount there’s no good reason to assume risk.
Now, if he threw in a pair of free agent seasons at around 15-18m per, then it’s a different situation. But nothing he’s said thus far indicates he has a realistic understanding of his true values
'Tang It
Casas has always been good defensively in the minors. He’ll figure it out
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Let’s try to get one thing right. I almost regret trading Sale- scoreless streak in the spring and Giolito goes down
RickEO
Im very confused on how the Redsox(Henry) are being cheap. They offered Betts 300 millionand Yamamoto 300 million. What am i missing. Didnt offer boegarts 200. Thank baby Jesus. Redsox needed to rebuild after 18 and are doing just that. They are not signing mediocre players to appease the below average fan Do you really want them to sign Montgomery for 6 years 180. Hell no. They are being smart and most people cant see it
MLB Fanatic
I think you have your numbers wrong except for Yamamto. Both Betts and Bogaerts were given lowball extension offers. With their market size and a very loyal fan base, the Red Sox should be running a payroll much closer to the first luxury tax threshold and be in a position to compete for a Wild Card spot.
all in the suit that you wear
The Red Sox reportedly offered Yamamoto more than $300M:
si.com/mlb/red-sox/news/red-sox-reportedly-offered…
I think Betts was determined to test free agency. In this article from July 2019 Mookie makes it clear he is going to free agency no matter what:
“Just because you go to free agency doesn’t mean you don’t want to be somewhere. It’s just a part of the business.”
masslive.com/redsox/2019/07/mookie-betts-boston-re…
all in the suit that you wear
I think Mookie changed his mind about free agency after he was traded to LA after Covid hit. There was financial uncertainty in MLB with no fans in the stands and Mookie took LA’s offer.
Speaking of $300M offers, the Red Sox just gave Devers a $330M extension.
Trollfree
All – Stop talking about Mookie because you have no idea what happened and you embarrass yourself with you comments. He’s gone. It’s tragic and it had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH MOOKIE!!!!
Your link says he wanted to be here. What it doesn’t say is that DD wanted him to be here but ownership fought him on it and it cost him his job. You keep writing BS and it’s really beginning to piss me off.
Get your facts straight or shut the you know what up.
all in the suit that you wear
KD: Citing articles and giving my opinion is perfectly normal and reasonable.
Trollfree
All – Citing articles that contradict what you say may be normal for you but most people don’t start with an outrageous premise suggesting things that didn’t happen and then document it with facts that actually contradict their original premise.
Your comment triggered notstarboard to write something totally wrong as well.
Betts wanted fair market value and 10/300 was clearly not fair market value so he turned it down. That doesn’t make him a bad guy OR a guy who hates Boston.
The 30/10 was NOT a TON OF MONEY as suggested by notstarboard, it was an insulting low ball. Bogaerts got a owner friendly contract from DD but he understood the opt out could be handled by him if Bogey kept doing well as he did. It was a great contract for both sides in retrospect.
Your obsession with money is really disturbing. You need to consider talent. Mookie was the most talented player since Ted Williams. He deserved a fair market value and DD wanted to give it to him on schedule. DD’s approach was a year before FA in the spring prior to the season to give extensions. Sale’s and Mookie’s and Bogey’s were all timed the same way. DD understood he got a below market value deal with Bogey and that he would opt out if he played well and stayed healthy. He fully expected to extend the contract when the opt out was due.
None of these examples say ANYTHING about owners being cheap or free spenders. The Mookie deal was all about the race issue not the money. The Bogey deal was all about Bloom being a complete idiot who was tearing down the 2018 roster.
Reading between the lines is not your strength. The facts are the facts and suggesting ANYTHING about money is pure ignorance. Go back to asking yourself ,does the money cover the talent exhibited by the player. If the answer is no, then there should be no contract as is the case for Devers, Story, Yoshida, Giolito, O’Neill, Grissom ($17MM). Then the other consideration is “how does the player fit in the long term future of the club”? The signing of Jansen and Martin when the team was completely depleted of talent made no sense either. They are excellent value players but signed at the wrong time or without complimentary signings that would have allowed the moves to make sense.
All totaled, the following are bad contracts:
1 – Devers ($29..318MM for 10 years)
2 – Story ($23.3MM for 6 years)
3 – Yoshida ($18MM for 5 years)
4 – Giolito ($19.25MM for 1 year w/ a second yr possible)
5 – Jansen ($16MM for 2 years)
6 – Martin ($7.5MM for 2 years)
7 – Grissom ($17MM one time cost)
8 – O’Neill ($8.5MM for one year)
Devers’ $313.5MM was an enormous over pay.
Story’s $140MM was a huge over pay
Yoshida’s $93MM was a over pay
That is $546.5MM wasted on three contracts. Throw in the money wasted on the closers and Bloom wasted $593.5MM on bad contracts.
Breslow has only wasted $64MM so far with his bad contracts for Giolito, O’Neill and Grissom. Adding the three players has NOT increased the talent on the roster, just the payroll.
Talent needs to be procured and Breslow did that with the Hendriks deal. His value far exceeds his cost. We need a GM who lives to make deals that provide more talent than payroll. Since DD, that’ hasn’t happened and Red Sox Nation is paying the steep cost of poor GM selections and incredibly bad managerial selections.
TALENT, TALENT, TALENT. That’s what fans need to see coming to Boston. The money simply needs to be justified. The amount is insignificant if the value is greater than the cost. The franchise raises it’s value with every SMART contact and lowers it with every bad one. I listed 8 contracts that have lowered the value of the Red Sox organization. I listed just one that has raised the value. That needs to change going forward and again MONEY is not the key, TALENT is ALL THAT MATERS.
all in the suit that you wear
“Your obsession with money is really disturbing.”
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1. I don’t start conversations about money. I only post when people are already talking about money such as saying the Red Sox are cheap. I would be happy to not talk about money, but I think it is incorrect so far to say the Red Sox are cheap.
2. I agree talent is what matters most and is what wins championships. I think they are working on it.
3. I have my opinion about what happened with Mookie Betts based on what I have read and I cited an article to help explain how I arrived at my opinion. You have cited nothing to support what you are saying. As I have said to you before, if you can post something to back up what you are saying, I would be interested in it.
GASoxFan
Suit, I want to play the game for a bit if you don’t mind indulging the feebleminded 😉
If the red sox aren’t operating ‘cheap’ what is your rebuttal to the observations of Fever and sone otbers about the sobriety/designated driver program being axed, or the sunscreen packets being dumped. Both are dirt cheap for the team to provide, soda syrup and water cost nearly nothing per serving, nor does the screen packets.
But, if you don’t like that, what about holding promotion nights where you need to select a specially (higher) priced ticket to get your free giveaway – not a better seat/section mind you, just select to pay a higher price, same seat, than without?
Trollfree
All- I think I have explained this to you three to ten times but here we go once again.
Mookie took LA’s offer not because it was low and he was in financially uncertain times but because it was bigger than the requested $420MM over 12 years that was leaked as the contract Mookie’s agent was seeking from Boston.
YES. MOOKIE GOT a higher NET PRSENT VALUE of his LAD contract than any other offer in baseball at that time. The $65MM BONUS in year 1 (2020) changed the overall value of the AAV by lowering it significantly and it raised the money received by Mookie since $65MM was paid in year one.
Mookie made out like a bandit!!! And LAD made out like a bandit by signing him since he’s still over producing the money paid to him and it’s not close after four years.
all in the suit that you wear
GA: I only really think about the CBT payroll when deciding if the Red Sox are cheap or not. Going to a MLB game always had a lot of insulting prices. I go mostly to minor league games these days where prices are less insulting.
JoeBrady
Trollfree
All totaled, the following are bad contracts:
6 – Martin ($7.5MM for 2 years)
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So the guy with the best ERA in baseball was a bad signing at $7.5M. That’s insane.
Is there even a single poster in here that doesn’t think Martin is worth the money? Besides KD?
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – Thank you!
Quick update: Numerous complaints resulted in Fenway South bringing back the Designated Driver program, although it’s only a 4-inch soda cup. Other parks provide large cups or unlimited beverages throughout the game.
As for the sunscreen lotion, other ballparks such as West Palm (Nats/Astros) not only give out packets but they also have sunscreen lotion dispensers throughout the park.
I’m mentioning only things that are of importance, not luxuries such as souvenirs. They are now charging $45 for t-shirts that aren’t even two-sided, they are only one-sided. But nothing in the souvenir shop is a necessity IMO. I used to buy the media guide every year, but I stopped that as well.
Complaints do work!! I encourage all fans to be vocal whenever the Red Sox or any MLB organization goes too far with their cheapness.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – Great post but one thing you need to change, bonus money is included in AAV. If it didn’t, every team would circumvent the CBT by paying a large percentage as a bonus rather than salary.
Okay here’s a question I’d love to have answered: HOW MUCH OF THE ALLEGED $300M RED SOX OFFER WAS DEFERRED?
Because his contract with the Dodgers is only $306.7M for 12 years, and that’s including the bonus.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – Awesome post!!
What Mookie described below is exactly what other free agents such as Eovaldi said about Bloom. One offer was made, that was it, take it now or leave it. Bloom was clueless when it came to negotiating, which is why he missed out on so many free agents.
“Just because I didn’t take an offer didn’t mean I didn’t want to be there. There’s a business component to the game. We were looking for houses in Boston. We thought it was going to work out. I thought both sides were playing the slow game and it would eventually work out. We were negotiating, that’s what I thought.”
notstarboard
Betts was offered 10/300. That wasn’t what he wanted, clearly, but that is absolutely not a lowball. That is a ton of money and was offered two years before he hit free agency. Imagine if he got a major injury in that time and cost himself hundreds of millions…
Bogaerts did already sign one extension (6/120), so it’s a little strange to cite him as an example of ownership being cheap. I agree that offering another 1/30 in an attempt to get him to lock in the final 3/60 was a huge lowball (assuming that reporting was accurate and it wasn’t 4/90 *on top* of the 3/60, in which case it would have been at least respectable). That lowball also made no sense given that they seemed willing to go a lot above that when he hit free agency… Oh well, though. Still happy they didn’t go anywhere near the SDP offer.
I agree with you about payroll, but this is literally the first season under FSG, who took over in 2002, that they have been well below the tax line. And even then, the tax payroll is still over $200 million and the season hasn’t even started yet; think back to 2022 when Story was signed like a week before Opening Day… You never know.
Fever Pitch Guy
nots – Do you have a link that states whether the $300M included deferred money and if so how much? Maybe that’s why last year Mookie insisted he wasn’t offered $300M from the Sox.
notstarboard
Mookie never insisted he wasn’t offered $300 million. He has confirmed that he was. I have no clue about deferred money, but Sale and Devers only had enough in their deals to drop the AAV by a couple million, so I can’t imagine it being much more. If that were the hang up, I’m sure they would have gotten a deal done.
cbssports.com/mlb/news/mookie-betts-says-he-doesnt…
'Tang It
The issue is that they haven’t made simple, easy moves that lineup with a rebuild, like selling at the deadline. Also, the refuse to admit that they are rebuilding. At best they are liars and at worst they don’t care at all.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rick – We know you are confused, so we will help you again.
1) Did the $300M offer include any deferred money? We don’t know. We do know it most likely did, based on contracts they have given to Sale and Devers among others.
2) The initial December reports of both the Red Sox and Giants offering Yamamoto were retracted. Nightengale did report last month the Sox offered at least $300M, but without revealing his source or having it confirmed we simply don’t know. The fact Yamamoto didn’t even bother to meet with the Red Sox despite being in New York is a sign the Sox weren’t serious about landing him.
3) Why the hell would a 108-win World Championship team with the majority of it’s key players returning in 2019 need to rebuild? No offense but that’s a really idiotic thing to say. It’s not like the 2018 team had a lot of players at retirement age or on expiring contracts.
4) “Appease the below average fan”? What exactly do you mean by that arrogant and obnoxious comment? 95% of Red Sox fans wanted them to sign GOOD free agents such as Snell and Monty and several others that other teams already signed. Instead they ended up signing crappy and/or injured players such as Hendricks and Gio.
5) None of us knows how much Monty is demanding, and if the Sox don’t plan to compete next year either then signing him is kinda pointless.
notstarboard
1) There likely wasn’t that much deferred money, but Betts wanted well over $400 million anyhow.
2) You don’t need to meet with a team in person for them to have made a competitive offer. We don’t know all of the details, but I would rather trust reporting about an offer than try to psychoanalyze a player based on travel patterns.
3) They had no talent in the farm, a ballooning payroll, and declining talent on the field. After 2018 they certainly didn’t need to rebuild right away, but it was obvious that they were going to have to rebuild before long. 2019 made it clear that they had reached that point.
4) It may not be polite, but most of the posting on the Sox I’ve seen this offseason falls in that bucket. When the Sox don’t sign someone it’s because they’re cheap and when they do it’s also because they’re cheap (They didn’t want to sign Devers, but panic signed him because we booed loudly enough! They extended Bello to distract from the lack of a signing to replace Giolito!). Full throttle this, full throttle that. You are a corporate bootlicker for not boycotting the team because it’s early March and their tax payroll is still $23 million below the CBT threshold!
Hendricks is Jansen’s heir apparent for 2025. I fail to understand turning that signing into a bad thing.
They specifically targeted Giolito because of issues they identified in his delivery that they were confident they could improve this year. He has ace ceiling if you can get him right, and he had also been one of the most durable pitchers in the majors. That combination of ceiling and floor was unmatched in this FA class at this price point. His stuff had ticked up in limited action this spring, so early returns were good too. This deal only looks bad with hindsight, and it’s still not the end of the world; he will likely pitch meaningful innings in ’25 even if he needs surgery, and the ’26 team option could well pay some dividends. It does suck for 2024, but if you’re already convinced he’s “crappy” then you should actually be excited that someone less crappy (e.g. Houck, Whitlock) will be getting more work as a result.
5) Who is saying that the Sox aren’t planning to compete next year? This year they’re not favorites to make the playoffs, but they have a realistic chance to do so, and certainly are not punting on the season. If they just hit their projections they’ll be 4 GB in the wild card, which means they’ll be playing meaningful games for most of the year. Next year they should be even better positioned to do well.
BaseballisLife
So he’ll be on the IL by the All Star break.
whosehighpitch
Gone are the days of Pedro, Manny, Millar and Ortiz. Here are the days of Bello, Giolito and and and. Devers is shaking his head signing up for this crap
Fever Pitch Guy
whose – I totally agree with what you’re saying, but Millar definitely doesn’t belong in that list! ;O)
notstarboard
If I’m Bello I’d immediately decline that. That’s a ton of years of control to give up. I’ve heard people suggesting 6/50+
'Tang It
Highly doubt it’s that much. Look at what Whitlock signed for
GASoxFan
Whitlock is a bad comp. He was back off TJ, and had played as a reliever since return, not even stretching out to be a starter.
He deal was based on value comps for RPs going through Arb years, not SP comps.
So that’s two variables very different.
'Tang It
Fair enough, but do you honestly think the red Sox are giving out 100 million to Bello?
notstarboard
I think the team would do that in a heartbeat if Bello would take it. $100 million is a lot in a vacuum, but not over 10 years, and especially if the last couple of seasons are team option years, which they often are for extensions like this. That would be his age 25-34 seasons.
Think of it this way – Hunter Greene got 6/53. Let’s assume Bello’s extension is around there too. Would the Sox not want the chance to have 31-34 y/o Bello for ~4/47? For me that’s a no brainer.
GASoxFan
Tough to say Tang.
If anyone told me 3 years as go Devers would ink a 330m deal, I’d have said they were nuts, that his hitting was good but not 300m good, especially considering his defense.
The front office and ownership are desperate, AGAIN, having lost control of the narrative cycle again, and look like fools again.
Hard to say how desperate they may wind up.
In a vacuum though I’d view an extension in the 80s range with escalators, incentives, and vesting options that could push to 100+.
Trollfree
GA – Whitlock’s deal was stupid.
At the start of his pre-arb 3 season he signed for 4 years and $18.75MM. AAV of $4.687MM. His arb 3 year would have cost $1MM or $3.687MM less than he was paid. His first arbitration year was 2024 and he’s going to get the $4.687MM rather than $3MM because he didn’t have a good 2023. If he does great his last two years then they MIGHT break even on the final two years of the deal but since his role is undefined and his value as a non-starter is minimal, Bloom over paid on the Whitlock deal and made the common mistake of not waiting until the start of their arbitration years to define the value of the player.
Maybe Boston should hire somebody to explain the concept of contracts to the GMs!!! Bloom was clueless and so far Breslow seems the same, especially if he’s considering premature contracts for Bello, Casas or any other pre-arb player.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – The Whitlock extension was a classic case of Bloom taking a high risk gamble and losing (so far).
The whole reason the Yankees left him exposed in the Rule 5 is because his injury history made him high risk.
Knowing that injury history, Bloom was a moron for rushing to extend him.
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – If it makes you feel better, the Devers extension was only for $291.5M ;O)
Trollfree
Breslow really hasn’t done anything right so far so for him to sign a long-term contract with Bello while he is still a pre-arb 2 is COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH HIS BAD CHOICES TO DATE!!!
Two years from now if he’s proven to be an excellent pitcher, then drop a 6 year deal on him with 3 arbitration years and 3 FA years. Doing it now is a complete waste of payroll, which apparently is Breslow’s forte!!! He really sucks as a GM. Don’t care if he’s well educated, he has no baseball smarts.
baseballteam
Agree. Breslow is looking for a highlight…desperation starts early.
MLB Fanatic
He’ll cost a lot more in two years!!! (I was going to wrote that in all caps but thought better.) Jeez… you like to complain about Breslow like he’s signing the checks.
baseballteam
I just think the ERA of 4.37 represents his level of performance which does not warrant an extension, and where I think he’ll be in two years is the IL.
MLB Fanatic
@baseballteam The majority of players pay a visit to the IL over the course of two seasons so you would be correct. Even if he’s a mid-rotation arm, it may be a good move to lock him up if the price is right. The Red Sox don’t have any long-term names in their rotation so investing in one may be good for fan interest.
Fever Pitch Guy
team – Signing him to an extension was a good move, although I wish they had waited at least a couple more years.
With the current state of MLB pitching, even if he never puts up a sub-4 ERA, it’s still worth it. The potential is there for him to be a great pitcher. That ERA you mention is actually quite good for a pitcher’s first 41 MLB games and he’s still only 24.
But I really wanted to give it at least one more year to see if last year was growing pains or if MLB figured him out.
Trollfree
MLB Fanatic – Thing about what you just said about him being more in 2 years. Isn’t that evident to everyone?
COST STRUCTURE of a PITCHER LIKE BELLO:
2023 Pre-Arb 1 – $7ooK roughly
2024 Pre-Arb 2 – $750K to $900K
2025 Pre-Arb 3 – $1MM
2026 ARB 1 – $4MM to $6MM depending on performance
2027 ARB 2 – $10MM ish depending on performance
2028 ARB 3 – $15MM to $20MM based on performance
TOTAL COST OF CONTROLLED YEARS – $33MM to $38MM
Lets use a 6 year deal as a starting point.
If you give him a six year deal in 2024 then 2 are pre-arb years, 3 are arb years and 1 is a FA year. Bad idea since a good SP will need an extension on the contract you offer him today which is expensive compared to doing it the right way.
Assume his five years of control would have cost you $32MM to $37MM based on the numbers above. Let’s assume his FA value is outstanding so it costs $30MM by 2029 his first year of FA. That means you could offer him 6 years for $62MM to $67MM in 2024.
What does that buy you? ONE year of FA at an estimated $30MM which could be grossly above his value. The players gets no other benefits except a bunch of money guaranteed that is going to likely happen for the first 5 of the 6 years of the contract. Is that security? No it’s just early cash flow but it doesn’t really guarantee he will be a Red Sox player by 2030.
Now do it the way I suggest and pay him the arb years and 3 years of FA seasons once you better know his future value in Spring of 2026. This removes any possibility that he falters prior to the spring of 2026 thus reducing risk for the team and it gives the GM a chance to project his value during his 3 FA years in the contract better than you can predict it in 2024.
Each year he will cost more which should be obvious but your underlying assumption that he will cost more per projected year is simply false. He will be more accurately evaluated with each year he pitches so the appropriateness of the contract should improve by waiting until Spring of 2026.
MLB Fanatic
Relax. Nobody knows what kind of contract they may or may not be negotiating.
Trollfree
MLB Fanatic – The reason I’m not going to relax is that it’s insanity to offer the kid a contract right now. I’m sorry if the numbers were too complex for you to grasp the concept but it’s a tremendous waste of cash flow if he gets anything before ST 2026.
Bruin1012
It’s a risk yes signing any player to an extension before they proved themselves is a risk but it’s also a risk to watch your completely homegrown pitcher walk after his arb years if he becomes that true number 1 or number 2 that his talent profile suggests he just might become. If he goest out in 2024 and 2025 and establishes himself as top of the rotation guy then recent history suggests that he walks after his arb controlled years. No matter what happens anytime you sign a young player to cost controlled extension it’s a risk especially with a pitcher and greater injury risk. Is it worth the gamble only time will tell. I would rather they sign Casas to an extension much less injury risk and he’s already shown tremendous upside with the second half he had last year.
MLB Fanatic
@Trollfree Just bc I disagree with you doesn’t mean that I don’t understand your position. And I disagree.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bruin – When a pitcher has at least 2 years to free agent eligibility, they will likely accept an extension out of a fear of injury or future poor performance. Bello had FIVE years before free agent eligibility, I agree with TF this was an unnecessary high risk gamble to buy out just 1-2 free agent years.
Should have waited a couple years, gave a little higher AAV and bought out 3-4 free agent years.
GASoxFan
The goal is to depress future total payroll/cbt figures.
Focus on what this suggests regarding Henry’s future budget prognosis and willingness to exceed cbt down the road. (Hint, not good for either one)
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – I think John Henry’s goal is to depress Red Sox Nation … and he has succeeded!
Bruin1012
Troll I think when we look back at what Breslow accomplished this off-season we will all point to the pitching infrastructure that Breslow brought in to the organization as by far the most important thing he and anyone has done since the DD years. I believe that Bailey will be the likely reason that Houck, Bello, and Crawford break out this year.
I’m also eager to see what Willard and Boddy do with the arms in the minors like Gonzalez, Perales, Walter, Fitts, Sandlin, Dobbins, and especially Monegro and ERC. These additions are the kind average fans even pay attention to but these are the kind of additions that turn your franchise into a pitching factory down the road.
In this year of stingy ownership spending Breslow has separated himself from his predecessor by addressing a huge need and that is the pitching infrastructure. He recognized this weakness and immediately did something about it huge improvement and for those reasons I think he has had a successful offseason.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bruin – As is often the case, I have a totally different and original view.
Breslow is a rookie HOBO who is learning on the job and doesn’t have a lot of authority. Between his inexperience and ownership’s extremely tight budget, it’s unfair to give him 100% credit or blame for anything that has transpired this offseason.
In the past I repeatedly said the same thing about Theo’s first year as GM. With zero experience they are basically trainees cutting their teeth.
But yes, I do agree replacing Bush with Bailey was a good move.
Still, it was disturbing to watch them give Gio a ridiculously large contract without realizing his horrific past performance could have been related to health concerns.
Poolhalljunkies
This is a done deal , team will make it official in a few hours per francys romero
swanhenge
This news seems like a misdirection move to draw attention away from the fact that they aren’t interested in replacing Gio w anyone from outside the organization.
notstarboard
They are extending Bello because he is a good young pitcher and then want him in town for a couple extra seasons. It has been reported for over a year that they’ve been discussing an extension, including this spring training before Giolito’s injury. There is no ulterior motive here.
If ownership is really as calculated and conniving in their quest to control the messaging as some fans think, why has everyone been pissed off since 2020? They really couldn’t have done much worse in the messaging department.
Trollfree
swanhenge – AHHHHH!!! A guy who gets it!!! Great comment.
Breslow for the smartest man in baseball has proven to be baseball ignorant when it comes to contracts. If they deal now rather than the Spring of 2026 it’s just more risk for no reason.
Fool’s gold. That’s what signing these guys too early amounts to. The team eats an enormous risk that the kid gets hurt and a bunch of money is wasted before he’s a proven all-star quality player. If he’s not an all-star level player, then he is completely replaceable so the risk is that much greater than the reward.
Guys like notstarboard need to do some homework on the cash flow of pre-arb, arbitration eligible and FAs. The control years can be a huge over pay like it was for the CWS with Moncada. Not every player is an Acuna. Pitchers are even more risk since so many lose years to TJ surgery.
Financial geniuses please tap the breaks!!!! This guy deserves a deal in the Spring of 2026 NOT NOW!!!
JoeBrady
This news seems like a misdirection
========================
They’ve been looking to extend both Bello and Casas for a while.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Agreed, but the timing of the agreement leak is dubious at best.
LordD99
Devil’s in the details.
Tippin 44s
My guess- deal runs from 2024-2030 7 years total $54 million while starting low & raising as the seasons pass, (#’s are yearly salary in the millions) $2, $4, $6, $8, $10, $12, $12. With 2 more team option years at $18mil apiece
Trollfree
Tippin – He’s make far more without the contract. You do realize there is a pay scale for pre-arb players? Right? 3 years totally less than $3MM.
Arbitration money is defined by pre-arb peformance. Mookie is the highest arb guy ever for Boston. He went $10MM, $20MM and $27MM for a total of $57MM for 3 years. Bello is nowhere near as valuable as Mookie so his 3 years probably won’t exceed $30MM. If he’s excellent during his arbitration years his FA number will be $25MM to $30MM in 2029.
All this is premature. To pump up the pre-arb number from the team friendly $3MM total is insane. The arbitration years are the only team controlled years in a long term contract.
Poolhalljunkies
Tf ..its a gamble of sorts like any these long term deals there is a measure of risk involved but by increasing the prearb they might save a massive amount on arb years and also gain extra control by acquiring below market rate fa years..i think if this is in line with the whitlock deal..prob quite a bit more money though its mostly fine it also sends a positive message to your other young players
Trollfree
Pool – It’s a total waste of money just like the Whitlock deal. Notice the great early signings are typically with absolute stud hitters who have proven their worth. Whitlock and Bello are PITCHERS who risk TJ surgery every year they pitch. They also haven’t been above league average so to sign them long term is pure stupidity!!! It’s a waste of money and it’s using blind faith instead of proven performance to pay people. That’s not a winning strategy!!!!
WHOOPIE we now have a league average SP for 1 year of his FA years and we have NO IDEA how good he’ll be in 2029!!!
It should be a crime to mismanage a team like Bloom and Breslow have done. But if changing the outcome of 90 games doesn’t matter to anyone why would making colossally stupid moves be a crime.
The BOSTON RED SOX ARE A HOT MESS!!!! There is nothing on the horizon to be excited about but the prices will keep going up and the Fenway experience will keep fans in the seats while the team finishes last year after year after year.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – Totally agree, dumb move to sign him so soon!
I disagree with your belief that fans will continue to fill Fenway. Whether it be because attendance drops or ticket prices drop, they WILL see a significant reduction in ticket revenue if they continue to miss the postseason every year.
Tippin 44s
Bam look who was ALMOST dead on
Tippin 44s
6 years 55 million, with a $21 mil option, for me researching current young pitchers contacts on baseball ref & spotrac & coming up with my original # you scoffed at thats EXTREMELY close, I await my apology. You do know the same as mega extensions only the elite of the elite make that arb money, you mentioned Betts a guy who set a record at the time for arb money. Bello is not Betts, look at Stanek some pitchers go thru all 3 arb years & get 6-7mill total. If Bello needs TJ surgery this season misses next season, then pitches out BP for rest of career think he could get a 55mil contract? NO
Trollfree
Tippin – Guessing the value means you have incredible insight into pure stupidity. I’m not sure to applaud that or hire you as a GM Policeman to prevent such atrocities!!
Locking up a guy for 1 year in a 6 year contract when 5 were already locked up seems unfathomable but Breslow did it.
He will never be considered the smartest guy in baseball EVER AGAIN. Thank goodness Bloom preceded him otherwise he might be renamed the DUMBEST GUY IN BASEBALL!!!
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – Great post, I totally agree!!
And just like the idiotic Gio signing, if Bello sustains a serious injury within a year or two we will hear the cries of a “devastating unlucky blow” to the Red Sox when in fact it was their dumb decision that put them in that position!!
LUCK IS THE RESIDUE OF DESIGN!!!!
Old York
Why? Guy’s a low K%, high BB% pitcher. I guess it might make sense if it’s a low total but this guy doesn’t look like a franchise front of the line starter by any means.
2023, his ERA was 4.71, compared to this FRA of 4.49, meaning he underperformed his ERA.
In 2023, his ERA was 4.24, while his FRA was 4.462674, meaning his ERA overperformed his actual pitching skill. So far, through 2 seasons, his FRA sits around 4.50.
This guy looks like a decent #4 or 5 guy. Why would you be locking up those guys?
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Completely agree. I don’t see what the hype is all about with this guy.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Honestly not sold on this guy and don’t see the hype. Yes, he has some good raw stuff but his results have always been mixed. Could he take the next step? Sure. Will he? My money is on no. Why not wait and see how he develops the next year or so?
Poolhalljunkies
I think the input from pedro martinez might carry alot of weight with him
RodBecksBurnerAccount
I’m sure it does and I know he’s been high on him and worked with him. But the results aren’t there. Why not wait and see if he makes the next step? He’s not Pedro. Lots of old timers have liked young guys that have come up and the young guys never advance.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rod – Unfortunately a lot of people look at Bello and because they see a Dominican similar looking to Pedro with similar velo they compare the two. It’s silly.
Old York
@Poolhalljunkies
Advice and input is useless when compared to actual results. I can say that I followed the advice of Joël Robuchon when I made dinner last night but the results weren’t the same.
Poolhalljunkies
Old york -Im just simply pointing out the obvious that pedro has been working with him and likley touting him to sox management..its up to them to compare the results with pedros opinions..and unlike your meal this kids “menu” seems to be still a work in progress thus the contract extention based on what we all hope are good things to come
Trollfree
Pool – Somebody has to state the obvious. The nepotism in the Red Sox organization has led to dozens of bad contracts and bad choices. Pedro is from the DR and so is Bello. How about a white guy from KC? Think Pedro would rave about him like his countryman? NO WAY. Same with Papi’s influence on the organization. These guys were great players but not talent evaluators. Is it shocking that over 20 years ago a PR native went to bat for a PR native and Boston signed Papi. Was that good scouting by Pedro or simple country loyalty? Nepotism over talent has been a tradition in the Red Sox organization. That’s why the minor league development has sucked for decades. That’s why a convicted cheater gets a chance and screws up completely and gets a second chance and screws up completely and is allowed to stay on long past his firing point in APRIL of 2018.
Politics is what this organization is all about and why it fails so miserably. If DD was latin, would he have been fired? If Cora was white would he even be in baseball? The bias manifested in the Red Sox organization is deep and debilitating. I keep hoping to find a guy who cares more about winning than the nationality of the player. Wait… we had that in DD and we had great success but it ended in a shorter time period than hiring a serial cheater.
That’s what’s wrong with Boston.
Fever Pitch Guy
TF – What do you think about the Red Sox flying to the DR in the middle of ST for two games there?
I get that it’s a good way to lure young Dominicans into wanting to play for the Red Sox, and it makes the Dominican Red Sox players happy, but it sure seems like a major disruption to do it at that critical time of ST.
Poolhalljunkies
Also it hasnt translated yet but he was a high k % guy in the minors in 2021 and 2022 12.5 and 12.1..so if he can approach that success thats really good. They are gambling he reaches that promise..before the price tag would sky rocket.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
It’s for sure a gamble.
Trollfree
Pool – There was no need to gamble. ST in 2026 would give you a far more accurate assessment of Bello’s skills. If you wait two seasons both seasons have roughly $8MM more spend on free agents and Bellow is not impacted. In 2026, he signs for 3 arb years and 3 FA years using better information and you have him for 9 years not 7.
BONEHEAD move. No reason to gamble on him. That’s not how good organizations make decisions.
Chemo850
You don’t wait because if he goes off for 200 innings and a sub 3 era next year then you have to pay the kid twice as much. You don’t get proven superstars for 55 million…ever.
Trollfree
Chemo – You are clueless as to how payroll works. He’s a pre-arb 2 in 2024. If he wins the Cy Young in 2024 we can still pay him under $1MM because he is pre-arb 3. In 2025 his arbitration pay will be higher if he wins a CY Young before that but it will still be far below league standards for Cy Young winners so money is saved and we get a chance to extend him 3 to 5 years beyond arbitration with bigger money for him after 2029 his FA year.
This CONTRACT cost money it didn’t save money. WAKE UP it’s only ONE year of non-controlled time. Also, he’s very very far from being a super star, he’s a pitcher subject to TJ surgery which will waste 2 full seasons and he’s already booked for 5 of the 6 years at price dictated by his performance the year before. That means if you leave him alone in 2024 and 2025 you pay his ARB 1 year based on his performance up to that point. If he’s a superstar at that point you make him an offer for 3 of his arb years and 3 to 5 of his FA years. That way you have him 9 to 11 years rather than 7. If you think this contract saved money, you are crazy, it cost Boston a bunch of money and that’s if he’s above league average. If he sucks or gets hurt they are paying up the whazoo.
You need to read up on the payment structure of young players. Learn the years – pre=arb 1, pre-arb 2 pre-arb 3, ARB 1, ARB 2 and ARB 3. Understand the first three years are under $1MM per year until the CBA changes that. The Arb years are based on preivious year performance so they should fairly reflect the contribution and if the established value is wrong it ALWAYS favors the team not the player. That’s why doing a deal prior to the ARB 1 season gives you a chance to see the skill level and define just how long you want hm beyond the control years. This contract gives us ONE year beyond the control years which is insignificant if you can’t extend him beyond that. He simply gets rich a year later rather than becoming a lifer with the Red Sox.
Chemo850
Well, you’re both geniuses and have all the answers, so I guess we’ll see how it plays out. I get the feeling you’re both going to be singing a different song by the all star break
Fever Pitch Guy
Chem – Let’s look at the facts.
Bello’s extension is the 2nd-biggest for a pre-arb pitcher in MLB history behind Strider ….. who was coming off a 2.67 ERA 0.995 WHIP 13.8 K/9 season in which he won ROY.
Now compare that to Bello who is coming off a 4.24 ERA 1.338 WHIP 7.6 K/9 season.
Any smart team would wait until he has AT LEAST ONE GOOD SEASON before buying out 5 years of team control.
Look up Aaron Ashby for God’s sake.
Look up Hunter Greene.
It’s better to pay a little more for less risk than to give out large high risk contracts.
MLB Fanatic
Without knowing the escalator clauses, this seems like a fair deal. There are some risks for the Red Sox obviously but at least they’ll have a household name for their fans for a good number of years. Hopefully, this is a sign for good things to come for the team.
Wadz
They basically gain a guaranteed year of control for paying the standard rate…
MLB Fanatic
Who knows what the market will become in seven years. That $21MM option could be a bargain. If he finds longevity and success, maybe he signs another extension before it even comes into play.
Wadz
Its fine.. Its just mostly inconsequential
eddiemurraysafro
Am I missing something about him?
User 4204968895
55-60% ground ball rate
HEHEHATE
Less than I thought, but more than I think he deserves at face value. Good for him. Maybe the team, but the fan base is gonna be divided on this.
Os1995
This deal seems to have a fair amount of projection to it, Ballo put up a 1.6 WAR last year but this deal will pay him closer to a player that averages about 2.1 WAR over the course of this deal.
Trollfree
Os1995 – A PERFECT example of why WAR is so incredibly inaccurate!!!
The success of a pitcher isn’t measured by WAR, it’s hypothesized by WAR. The guy had a 4.24 ERA and 1.338 WHIP. Standard measures for a pitcher based on performance not theoretical crap like WAR.
A dominant pitcher gives up less than 1 hit per inning pitched. Bello in two seasons has been at 11.8 and 9.5 per 9 innings pitched. So his stuff is mediocre. His control has been 4.2 walks per 9 which is horrendous and last year it was 2.6 which puts at league average control.
These indicators suggest 2 years of waiting to see if he ACTUALLY turns into a quality starter would have been wise but the CHAOTIC front office of the Red Sox are trying to steal wins by fabricating them not by doing something that ACTUALLY helps the team.
This deal came from the same place the Devers deal came from, pute panic and stupidity. Nothing is improving but the front office needed to give Red Sox Nation a placebo!!! Or maybe just a pacifier!!!
Os1995
How does my post show WAR to be inaccurate?
The WAR calculations agree with your point that Bello was a below average pitcher last year and he will need to be a league average pitcher over the course of this deal to warrant the money that the Red Sox game him.
WAR seems to be a pretty good indication of value since it takes into account the value of pitching a lot of innings as well as how well a pitcher performs in those innings. I will say that I am not the biggest fan of WAR for relievers however because relievers are used very differently depending on game circumstances but that is a topic for another day.
Trollfree
Os1995 – Here is my issue with WAR and I’m glad for a change that the value actually did reflect reality most of the time it does not.
WAR gives you a value after the fact so it should be accurate but when you get into the details of the calculation you will find a myriad of assumptions that may or may not apply so the facts that are the starting point for the ESTIMATION are right to begin with but the normalization is inaccurate, the between player comparisons are grossly inaccurate and the concept of WINS above replacement is ridiculous because that’s not how baseball is played.
The whole concept of metrics relies on creating a UNIVERSAL PLAYER who then gets compared to real players. That’s simulation not facts. There is NEVER two identical situations in life or baseball. The variables all create an environment different from reality that forces stat nerds to suggest one situation compares to the hypothetical player in a consistent way. That’s simply not true. That’s why when WAR was invented and even now it’s not calculated the same way across services that provide information.
In the end, WAR is an estimate much like you guessing heads or tails. Sometimes you will be right just like WAR and sometime you will be wrong just like WAR. You know what’s never wrong? The ACTUAL DATA generated during a baseball season. OK, let me qualify that because human error does arise with regard to judgement calls like what is an error but the STATS are not estimates they are the facts that all estimates are based on. So if I say a pitcher had an ERA of 4.24 then he did. If you say he had a WAR of 3.1 I say who cares because it’s an estimate with unknown accuracy. How did he create 3.1 wins above replacement? NOBODY knows. It’s a secret formula provided by varying services that don’t agree. It’s a whole series of comparisons versus the universal pitcher and it’s based on assumptions that may or may not apply to the circumstances that generated the facts used to create the estimation.
So nobody knows if WAR is right or wrong because it’s completely unknown. All we really know is that some black box calculated it using gross generalizations about the base data and each company spits out it’s version of WAR. Frankly, I’ll take ERA and WHIP over WAR as an indication of the performance of the player.
One other really disturbing thing about WAR is that it’s omnipresent. Yes, WAR can be historical, it can be in the present and it can predict the future. Isn’t that a bit too magical for an intelligent being to accept?
Everyone loves simulation games but in the end they are nothing more than guesses. You can try to argue the merits of the built in assumptions, constants and trends but in the end if you say it’s going to be 57 degrees tomorrow and WAR guesses it’s going to be 55 degrees tomorrow nobody is right until the temperature is measured tomorrow and then it’s likely neither is right so what’s the value in the guess?
I read stats and understand a pitching performance. I see a WAR or any other metric and skip over it because it’s not accurate enough for my standards. That’s why I didn’t even realize you were suggesting the same thing that I was suggesting, the WAR VALUE was irrelevant to me. I prefer my baseball knowledge to that of a simulation game written by folks who probably never played beyond little league.
Stats are a great starting point to understanding performance or talent. WAR is one company’s misguided attempt to suggest they have insights into the future that you don’t have and poor techniques for quantifying real stats better by extrapolating all kinds of assumptions to build an index of performance. An index of performance is never accurate because the index always has built in biases. WAR is that faulty index. Was Willie Mays or Hank Aaron better? Using an index you get a value that picks one. Being a baseball fan allows you to realize there is no value in determining which one was greater, what’s important is that you got to experience watching them play.
Bello’s future is completely uncertain. Paying him before he establishes past performance data that can be evaluated is not a smart way to run your ball club.
Thanks for explaining what you were saying about Bello. I agree.
Enrico Pallazzo
So rather than spend on someone to help now they spend on someone that was controllable through 2028. Not sure how much more obvious they could make it that they are completely giving up on this season.
User 4204968895
John Henry’s determined to build an affordable future.
And I doubt he cares what we think about that, unfortunately.
all in the suit that you wear
They actually can spend on the current team and the future at the same time.
Trollfree
All- You do realize the entire world understands that cash flow happens based on time and yes there is cash flow in 2024 and every year after that!!!
The point is we just pissed away over $8.2MM in 2024 and 2025 with this deal. We move his payments forward without gaining a single advantage from doing it.
We get that you try to explain why everything is good but clearly you don’t get what just happened. This was a complete waste of time and money. Bello is here through 2028 with or without that new contract that covers now until 2029. His pay in the early years would have been less giving the team more money to invest in all-star quality players. Bello has proven NOTHING to this point but he can prove his value in 2024 and 2025 when he was supposed to be making under $1MM a year not $9.2MM a year.
This contract limits the next two years payroll by $16.4MM. We are supposed to be trying to fix a broken roster not make bad decisions that prolong the time it takes to fix the broken roster.
MLB Fanatic
It’s been pretty obvious since they traded Sale and then signed Giolito. Pre-arb extensions have worked out pretty well for Braves.
User 2079935927
@MLB Fanatic You are a Red Sox fan are you not? You’ve defended this signing at every turn Asking for a Yankee fan.
MLB Fanatic
I grew up a Montreal Expos fan while in Buffalo, NY but don’t have a strong attachment to any particular team now. I like the Braves’ model of signing early extensions and building a sustainable winning team. They all don’t need to work out, just some or most.
Trollfree
MLB Fanatic – Maybe go to school and get an MBA so you can understand the ridiculously bad concept of signing a pitcher early that hasn’t proven himself. Strider is a far cry from Bello. This was a move of desperation in an attempt to placate people like you who have no clue what an early contract ACTUALLY means to he club extending the offer. The value of the one year of FA included in the contract wasn’t even close to the risk they absorbed in signing this contract.
Is Bello on the level with Mookie, or Bogey, or JD or all the other greats that have been dismissed by Bloom? NO
Is Bello the next Pedro? NO WAY, not even close. So why prematurely sign the guy 2 years earlier than make sense? To keep the fan base from storming the castle? YEP
MLB Fanatic
Is it so hard for you to accept that this will be a down year for the Red Sox? Obv. you belong in the their front office and can do so much better bc they can’t do anything right, no?
Fever Pitch Guy
MLB – Yes they have, but the difference is the Braves give out the extensions to players who have had great results in the majors.
Look at Strider’s numbers the season before he signed his extension.
Then look at Bello’s numbers last year.
There’s a massive difference.
collaselraptor
Domingo German is available.
User 4204968895
Alcoholic with a history of domestic violence. I’m guessing the Sox pass on him.
User 2079935927
PSA- We interrupt this contract for Tommy John Surgery. Details as they become available
Rsox
Doesn’t break the bank, gives cost certainty through the arbitration years and delays free agency by a couple of years. Not terrible but not a big deal either
Degaz
Yikes overpay. First Giolito and now Bello…
Degaz
Guy got killed in the 2nd half after teams adjusted…
2nd half 5.49ERA, slash line .302/.359/.531 .890OPS against
Lefties also killed him last year….
.313/.361/.522 .883 OPS against
Not sure why this was necessary before seeing how he performed this year for someone already controlled until 2029. Red Sox brain trust this week…yeesh.
whyhayzee
Simple analogy: Let’s say you’ve run 10 miles a few times. Then you decide to run 15 on an even tougher course where you have to run faster than you ran the 10 miles. The last 5 miles probably won’t go so well. The last 40 innings of the season were more innings than ever before and against major leaguers, not minor leaguers.
Trollfree
whyhayzee – Great explanation as to why this guy didn’t deserve the contract. Once he runs his first marathon, then lets judge him. He’s a 10K right now and not that good at it.
whyhayzee
Haile Gebrselassie ran his first marathon in 2:48 in Ethiopia.
He went on to break 61 Ethiopian national records, ranging from 800 metres to the marathon, set 27 world records, and is regarded as one of the greatest long distance runners in history.
Degaz
That’s why you pay starters that can eat innings and not fall off the face of the planet…..yes 100 in agreement! Exactly as @Trollfree pointed out
Fever Pitch Guy
Hayz – You really need to look at Bello’s splits for last year before posting something so erroneous.
And I’ve already posted this 4 times during the past few months ….
BELLO ERA BY MONTH:
Mar/Apr – 6.57 ERA
May – 2.67 ERA
Jun – 2.14 ERA
Jul – 5.48 ERA
Aug – 3.34 ERA
Sep/Oct – 7.62 ERA
If fatigue is your excuse for his poor performance, explain why he had a 6.57 ERA to start the season and a 5.48 ERA right in the middle of the season.
whyhayzee
And if you looked at his ERA per game? People argued about Nolan Ryan for years because he never had a great winning percentage (.526) nor a super low ERA (lifetime 12% above average). But on any given day? Maybe Bello will be a .550 pitcher? Maybe an ERA in the mid to high 3’s? A 2 or a 3? We don’t know. Then again, maybe he will be their ace. Early career statistics very rarely indicate anything meaningful. Teams assess the talent that have and act accordingly. We’ll see.
ibuititnoonecame
This is good move. It speaks to the fact that they have no intention of spending on ready made talent to compete now the intention is to lock up all the cheap talent they can. Major gamble they better be right at a 75% clip
Trollfree
ibuilt – I really hope that was sarcasm because if it wasn’t, you are lost when it comes to building a winner.
ibuititnoonecame
I think you miss what I’m saying this is on its own a good move….
Sadly it also shows that the intent is to bring up kids sign them long term and hope. Showing us they do not intend on building a winner NOW we will have to wait and hope as they act broke…. BOYCOTT is the only option
Trollfree
ibuilt – OK a bit convoluted but I get it now.
The simple model of using your available money to sign all-star quality players at positions of weakness is clearly NOT on the agenda of the Red Sox front office or ownership.
My BOYCOTT will continue. I stopped all merchandising activity when Cora got rehired and my 50 years of memorabilia sits in storage until Cora is gone and the team hires a GM who is there to build a winner.
Breslow needs to go. The longer it takes to get his replacement the farther into the future the success of the team will happen again.
30 Parks
Good deal.
Trollfree
30 – Hate the deal because it was 2 years premature and unnecessary. ONE year of FA rather than 3 in 2 years makes absolutely no sense since the team is likely to stink in 2 years so if Bello stinks we signed him anyway.
Craviduce
might need some of that money to purchase some glue to put Tyler O’Neill back together again.
Always injured.. Good luck, Red Sox fans.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
I don’t get why so many people are down on this, I mean, a 55 million dollar gamble on his upside isn’t frankly that much, if he’s good you get two extra years of cheap control, sure, there is some risk but the kid has upside.
Trollfree
More – It’s not a gamble on his upside, it’s wasted money. We had him for far less for 5 of the 6 years and the only free agent year is better measured in 2026 rather than now.
Captainmike1
Wonder if this will turn out like Luis Severino ?
swanhenge
Good for Bello. I hope this turns into an Acuna/Robert kind of deal. If it doesn’t, Sox payroll isn’t hung w anything too horrible. Kind of a whateverburger
Trollfree
swanhenge – So you think Acuna is a hitting comp to Bello?
The key errors in this contract are:
1 – No proven track record to define the payment criteria
2 – 2 full years of sub $1MM per year salary at a time when money seems critical. Wasting $16.4MM over the next two years is inexcusable.
3 – 1 year of FA coverage meaning he’s with Boston 7 vs 6 years. Big whoop. The right way is to extend 3 into FA or even 5 years into FA.
4 – Sets a terrible precedent for the other young players.
Bello didn’t get more money, he didn’t get a career with the Red Sox and he set a selfish example for all the other young players.
Happy for Bello? I’m not. I’m disappointed that he was so self focused at at a time when we need to build a family atmosphere among all the young guys. It’s unfortunate the Manager is such a lowlife scumbag but if all goes well he’ll be managing little league in Puerto Rico a year from now!
RobM
Smart for Bello to take the deal, as it was smart by Whitlock. I don’t see either of these deals aging well for the Red Sox.
Trollfree
BONEHEAD BRESLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What an idiot!!!!
Pre-Arb 2 – $1MM or less
Pre-Arb 3 – $1MM or less
So $2MM should have been spent on him in 2024 and 2025.
That means his last four years are worth $53MM or an AAV of nearly $13.5MM during his arbitration years and one free agency year.
Normal arbitration progression for outstanding hitters is $5MM, $10MM and $15MM or $30MM for the arbitration years.
That means he’s going to get $23MM for his first year as a potential FA.
What should have been – $1MM, $1MM, $5MM, $10MM, $15MM and $20MM for a total of $52MM is now going to be $55MM so an over pay of only $3MM which doesn’t sound that big but the risks are huge and unnecessary!!.
Now consider the risk and reward:
Risks include:
1 – TJ surgery wiping out two of the six years
2 – A pitcher who was dominant 5 years ago at ROK, NOT GOOD at A ball four years ago, didn’t pitch in 2020, pitched well at Hi-A in 2021 but poorly at AA, pitched well at AA in 2022 and badly at the MLB level in 2022 giving up 75 hits in 57 innings and 27 walks for a 1.779 WHIP!!!!, then in 2023 at age 24 gives up 165 hits in 157 innings and 45 walks for a 1.33 WHIP. Very similar to E-ROD’s horrendous WHIP.
Giving a guy with these weak credentials a 6 year deal is another sign of panic and lack of ability by the GM. Two years from now during Spring Training of 2026 the skill level of this shaky pitcher would be better known. Is he worth spending money on that will take him into 3 of his FA years? That should have been the question, not can we get ONE year after control in a 6 year deal. It’s pure stupidity.
Rewards – NONE!!! Why none? Because you already had him for the first 5 years anyway at a lower cost. Then, to get ONE frickin year of this guy who could turn out to be league average or a TJ surgery recipient. The one year costs you the price of a Tier 2 SP without having a clue as to whether in 6 years he’ll climb to that status.
Yes, all this for ONE year not 3 years which would have made sense.
Breslow is just as bad as Bloom at contracts. The only idifference between the TWO JOKE GMs is that Bloom tore the team down to the ground and Breslow can’t because there is no talent left after Bloom.
Poolhalljunkies
There is also an option year ..so its actually 2 years of fa? Not 1..or did i read it wrong
acell10
you read it correctly. KD17 read it wrong
MLB Fanatic
Dude is all over this on his soapbox shouting from the top of his lungs. Incredible.
acell10
that’s his MO. Pretty insufferable
Trollfree
Pool – You did read it correctly BUT the option is for $21MM. We could keep him in 2030 for $21MM which could be well below his actual value in which case he will renegotiate the contract or he will be worth less than $21MM and we’ll release him.
If Bellow is an ELITE pitcher and we approve of him leaving the team after the contract with option (2031) then the option year becomes significant but more than likely if he’s an outstanding pitcher worth far more than his $9.2MM per year he’ll be trying to renegotiate and extend his deal at a fair price at that time and take the profits from all the early years of the contract. Think about how his money flow is going to work.
2024 – Paid $9.2MM rather than under $1MM
2025 – Paid $9.2MM rather than roughly $1MM
2026 – Paid $9.2MM rather than roughly $5MM if 2025 is a good yr
2027 – Paid $9.2MM rather than roughly $10MM if 2026 was good
2028 – Paid $9.2MM rather than roughly $15MM if 2027 was good
2029 – Paid $9.2MM rather than fair market value ($20MM to $25MM)
2030 – Paid $21MM rather than fair market value ($20MM to $25MM)
So by year this deal favors Bello by this much:
2024 – $8.2MM
2025 – $8.2 MM $16.4MM for the contract
2026 – $4.2MM $20.6MM for the contract
2027 – -$0.8MM $19.8MM for the contract
2028 – -$5.8MM $14.0MM for the contract
2029 – – $10.8MM $3.2MM for the contract
2030 – -$4MM if fair market value is $25MM -($0.8MM for contract)
So this deal is a cash flow deal for Bello. Money in his pocket earlier than it should have been. As a simple man, I think putting close to $3MM in my bank by age 26 is enough to get by until I prove I’m a star or even a super star so this deal made a kid richer sooner and that’s about it. It also took away funds from future payroll that might be beneficial to acquiring all-start talent.
The option year makes the deal good for the team IF they can keep Bello interested in an extension beyond 2030. If the extension supersedes the last years of this contract then the deal is bad for the ball club and good for Bello only.
If you are Bello and you are good, in what year do you go to management to renegotiate this contract. He’ll have booked almost $20MM of surplus money by the end of 2027 so I’m guessing he’ll want to re-do 2028 and beyond so he pockets the $20MM of over pay.
Trollfree
Just read the AAV is $9.167MM per year rather than the sub $1MM we would have paid in 2024!!! And for what? One year six years from now?
MORON Breslow!!!!
acell10
you know he won’t actually make 9 million the first year right?
MLB Fanatic
Lol – He’s trolling himself at this point.
Fever Pitch Guy
acel – I don’t understand your response. TF clearly wrote AAV which to most people is the important number because it’s what goes against the CBT.
Who cares what Bello actually receives this year, unless he owes you money or something.
acell10
IT’s pretty obvious what I meant. KD17 was complaining about having to pay 9.17 million per year when Bello would have only made under 1 million this year. He specifically said this year in his rant.
JoeBrady
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger (In Bauer We Trust)
An ERA and FIP well over 4 last season
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An ERA of 4.24 is not “well over 4”.
Trollfree
Joe – Of all the key points deGrom made you chose to knit pick that 4.24 isn’t “well over” 4? Why? Over 4.00 is bad, it’s certainly not elite like one would expect for a 6 year deal.
This was a horrendous mistake because the team ATE an enormous amount of risk for absolutely no reason.
If after the 2025 season Boston decides Bello needs to be part of their future they can sign him for 6 to 8 years and get 3 to 5 years of FA years not ONE. If he develops into the ace by then, the 3 arb years should cost roughly 5 to 10, 15 to 20 and 20 to 25 so $40mm TO $55mm and his FA years should cost around $35MM by 2029 for an ace unless he’s elite. Then it will be more. So a six year offer in 2026 should cost $150MM with an AAV of $25MM or an 8 year deal would cost $225MM for an AAV of $28MM. Of course, if he’s elite those number ratchet up.
In the end, if he’s a stud like everyone hopes but doesn’t know at this point, by 2026 we should have a better idea and a better barometer for paying him a fair price.
Ebouch25
They extended him as an excuse to not sign a big name pitcher. Just like they said Sale coming off of the injured list was their trade deadline addition.
Blake Cooper
Not a bad deal, too early in his career to tell. Through his first 31 games in the Majors, he’s 14-19 with a 4.37 ERA. Obviously a big move after the injury of Giolito. So far in spring training over 5 innings, Bello has allowed 2 walks, 1 hit, 2 runs, with 5 strikeouts.
Trollfree
Blake – ST is not the regular season. Unless he takes a step forward in 2024 he’s a league average pitcher we just locked up for 6 years.
Breslow is grasping at straws rather than what we actually need to improve. He needs to be fired because every minute he’s the GM is a minute lost. Improvement can only come from acquisitions of talent. The off season was a perfect time and we got nothing except Hendriks.
BRESLOW gets an F for his first off season but I guess since he didn’t giveaway the future of the franchise he’s better than Bloom in his first off season. That’s like being a better fielder than Devers!!!! hahahaha you can’t be worse!!
Poolhalljunkies
Tf. I dont think you have this entirely right..this bello investment is exactly the kind of move the sox need to make and seeing the value here tells us you are not realizing the current state of the game..and your statements about breslow not bringing in talent i assume higher end show you arent paying attention since kennedy is on record saying breslow has a strict budget and the payroll WILL be less than last year..based on kennedys statement how exactly is breslow supposed to bring in high end talent without trading the entire future?..he clearly has his hands tied money wise..so…why are you calling for his job ? Im sorry tf you seem to be missing the big picture..and omg..i havnt seen you trash cora..someone mark this date on a calander lol
Trollfree
Pool – I was going to address your stupidity one phrase at a time but realized it’s a waste of time. You have continued to make brainless comments for months now and I’ve played along. No more. You are a buffoon who knows nothing about baseball. Your hair brained comments show your ignorance in spades and I’m being kind right now.
I’m not realizing the current state of the game? Pull your head out of your shorts and wake-up. You are so clueless it’s ridiculous. Just shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
Your comments are a waste of space just like Breslow’s deals are a waste of money.
You should know better than to cheap shot me. I’m going to bury you for weeks now. You are a simpleton with a big mouth and no filter to choose intelligent comments or maybe there just aren’t any in that head of yours!!! We’re done!!
Poolhalljunkies
Cheap shot??? Thats rich..you are delusional tf
Poolhalljunkies
And you didnt dispute anything i said because i stated facts
Poolhalljunkies
All you do on here is rant and rave shouting opinions backed by very few if any facts and then try and bully people who disagree with or call you out it…grow up
Goose
He must be scheduled to have Tommy John next week. They only spend money on starters that won’t pitch.
baseballteam
Red Sox: when people were saying “sign a starter” they meant a NEW starter.
Fever Pitch Guy
team – The Red Sox do everything Bass Ackwards.
They went into the offseason looking to add two more starting pitchers, but instead they just subtracted one starting pitcher (two if you count Paxton).
all in the suit that you wear
Brayan Bello’s salaries per Chris Speier:
$1M signing bonus
2024: $1M
2025: $2.5M
2026: $6M
2027: $8.5M
2028: $16M
2029: $19M
2030 team option: $21M ($1M buyout)
Should be a little over $9M AAV for luxury tax calculations.
Bruin1012
This Bello extension is more about announcing a new era of Red Sox baseball than the extension itself. Has Bello earned this type of extension, it’s debatable. His numbers really don’t show it but we know the raw stuff is really good guys pound his pitches into the ground he’s a 55 to 60 percent ground ball type pitcher. That’s elite level ground ball percentage. He throws hard there is elite upside in that arm. He was actually quite good in May and June the real question did he just get exposed after those two months or did he just run out of gas. I am confident that Bailey is going to help this guy with his pitch mix. His changeup is elite no question about that the rest of his pitches are not. His four seamer really got hit hard it’s a pitch I don’t think he should throw much if at all. He left his slider out over the plate to much so that’s a command thing and Bailey can hopefully help with that as well as his work with Pedro. Hopefully he settles in on a better pitch mix and become a #2 type guy.
Breslow needed to make a statement I would have preferred to see a Casas extension he looks really good physically this spring obviously did a lot of work on his body this off-season. Is it an overpay probably, will he live up to the contract yea probably barring injury. The cost of starting pitching is exploding I can understand why Breslow did this it’s not nearly as bad of an extension as what some seem to think it’s clearly an announcement to the other guys this is a new era in Red Sox baseball. I love the infrastructure moves that Breslow has done it’s unfortunate that Ownership isn’t willing to spend this off-season and it sounds like Monty is holding out for a contract like Nola got but he’s making some good changes I’m cautiously optimistic.
Trollfree
Bruin1012 – The great interpreter. There is NO MESSAGE here just politics. The guy has made 3 mistakes so far and one good choice. He needed to make about five good choices to turn things around and has been a miserable failure.
He’s been in place for months and these great infrastructure moves could have happened in a week? What was he doing the other 16 weeks? If you are going to retool a coaching staff then more than one or two guys need to be added. How many affiliates are part of the Boston organization. By now, he should have found upgrades in at least 1/2 half of them since he’s done no work on improving the MLB roster.
This guy is a total failure and should be fired because each day he stays extends the improvement of the organization by one day or more.
I’ve told you since the beginning that Monty wanted to be in Texas but their young starters prevented Chris Young from signing him to the length of contract he wants. It’s on the table that if he’s willing to cut the years to 1 or 2 Texas is interested. I’ve not heard ANYONE ANYWHERE suggesting 5 or more years is of interest to them. If BOS gives in and does a 5 year $125MM contract I think they will get him. I dont’ see that happening but since you always know so much more than I do when it comes to the inner lack of thinking of the front office, you tell me!!! Do you think 5/$125 is something Breslow will do to be consistent with his stategy that you believe he has and I believe he lacks?.
Bruin1012
I think if Monty was willing to sign for 5/125 he’d be signed already. At this point I’d be surprised if Monty signs with the Red Sox. I doubt ownership is going to green-light that signing.
The problem with you KD you live in fantasy land. You suggest Breslow sign a #1 and #2 starter this is fantasy since it’s clear to anyone that pays attention ownership would never sign off on that this season. You want Breslow to fire Cora yet ownership clearly stated Cora was coming back to coach this year. It’s just not happening and it’s not up to Breslow at least not this year. You want them to move Devers off third but that’s not happening for a couple of reasons one as long as Cora is here Devers isn’t moving off third and two I don’t think FSG and Henry want to admit they made a huge mistake by giving a DH the biggest contract in team history.
Red Sox ownership has so many irons in the fire right now it’s pretty clear they are using the money machine that is the Red Sox to help fund there other ventures and now they have put a ton of money into the PGA. Ownerships timeline to really carry a much larger payroll it’s probably a few years away. I mean when Werner and the mouthpiece come and talk about selling the Fenway experience and not winning that’s an ownership problem not a Breslow problem.
I mean KD your argument is that Breslow doesn’t want to sign an SP1 and SP2 he doesn’t want to put his own choice for manager and would rather keep Cora. You’re arguing that Breslow doesn’t see the Devers issue defensively when he’s likely to have a staff off heavy ground ball pitchers. My argument is that Ownership is clipping heavy spending doesn’t want to admit a mistake with the biggest signing in the history of the club and that they have a strange relationship with Cora who the brought back after the cheating scandal when they could of easily moved on from him. Which argument is more plausible? Let’s also look at what Breslow did do he immediately changed the pitching infrastructure by adding Bailey, Willard and later Boddy. It’s pretty clear this isn’t a Breslow problem it’s an ownership not willing to spend problem.
baseballteam
Bello has started his vacation.
Trollfree
Honestly, at this point maybe the fans could make a list of eveyrone they like in the organization and Breslow can give each of them 6 to 10 year contracts so we’ll know 5th place is in our future for a decade and some incredible draft picks can be garnered.
Breslow ups his stupidity with every move he makes!!!! Sound familar? I wonder if he walks around humming “me and my shadow”? It’s hard to believe after how bad Bloom was there could be a guy following in his footsteps!!!
Poolhalljunkies
Tf, The fact that you lead with the word “honestly” implies you are not always honest..that aside i do not believe you have or will ever give any of these gms a shot before you try and tear them down..frankly tf you sound like a disgruntled former employee. Have you ever worked for the red sox in the past and if so, in what capacity?
baseballteam
The Red Sox criteria for extension is that the player must have a pulse. btw congratulations to Bello, who will be on the IL soon.