The Dylan Cease saga has come to an end. The Padres announced the acquisition of the right-hander from the White Sox for four players: prospects Drew Thorpe, Jairo Iriarte and Samuel Zavala and big league reliever Steven Wilson.
Cease has been a trade candidate at least as far back as last summer’s deadline. While Chicago took him off the market at that time, first-year general manager Chris Getz made clear that he was willing to consider offers on virtually everyone on the roster going into the offseason. That made Cease one of the top names of the winter.
Chicago fielded offers early in the offseason before pulling back. The Sox indicated they wanted to wait for the free agent rotation market to play out before aggressively shopping the star righty. Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery have lingered in free agency longer than anyone anticipated. With Opening Day two weeks away, Chicago seemed to find more urgency to make a move. They’d reportedly talked with the Yankees and Rangers within the past few days, but it is San Diego that gets the deal done.
It’s a massive strike for them just a week before they’ll open the regular season with a two-game set against the Dodgers in South Korea. For much of the offseason, the Padres have gone in the opposite direction. They faced significant payroll constraints that led to the free agent departures of Josh Hader, Seth Lugo, Nick Martinez and Michael Wacha. Snell seems likely to follow.
The biggest loss, of course, came via trade. The Padres dealt Juan Soto to the Yankees before his final year of team control. That both offloaded his arbitration salary — which eventually checked in at $31MM — and brought back a number of controllable starting pitchers to compensate for the free agent departures. Michael King will step into the middle of the rotation. Jhony Brito and Randy Vásquez are candidates for a back-end role. Thorpe came over in that trade and would have been in the rotation mix as well, but he’s now headed to Chicago before throwing a regular season pitch for the Padres.
Despite targeting upper level pitching in the Soto return, San Diego had a largely unproven rotation. Joe Musgrove and Yu Darvish were locked into the top two spots. King was ensured of a job after a strong finish last season with the Yankees, but he’d been a reliever for most of his major league career. He only moved to the starting staff for his final eight appearances beginning at the end of August. The rest of the starting pitching options in the organization have limited MLB experience of any kind.
Cease addresses that lack of experience. The former sixth-round pick has been a fixture of the Sox’s rotation since 2020. Aside from a brief virus-related absence in ’21, he hasn’t missed any time as a major leaguer. Cease leads the majors with 109 starts over the last four seasons.
At his best, Cease has paired that pristine durability with a top-of-the-rotation ceiling. He was dominant two seasons ago, turning in a 2.20 ERA with an excellent 30.4% strikeout rate through 184 innings. He was runner-up behind Justin Verlander in that season’s Cy Young balloting and received some down-ballot MVP consideration.
The 28-year-old didn’t replicate that ace-caliber production last season. He had a pedestrian 4.58 ERA across 177 frames. While some level of regression from a 2.20 mark always seemed likely, his earned run average more than doubling wasn’t expected. That’s partially a reflection of a dramatic swing in Cease’s batted ball fortune. Opponents hit only .260 on balls in play against him in 2022; that spiked 70 points a season ago.
Beyond the ball-in-play results, Cease was a little less overpowering in ’23 than he’d been the previous season. His swinging strike rate dipped from 15% to 13.6%. He lost three percentage points off his strikeout rate, which fell to 27.3%. The average velocity on both his fastball (95.6 MPH) and slider (86.3 MPH) dropped a tick. Those are all still better than average marks but not quite as impressive as his 2022 metrics.
As is often the case, Cease’s true talent ERA very likely falls somewhere in the middle. Going back to the start of 2020, he carries a 3.58 mark in just shy of 600 innings. That has come in a tough home ballpark for pitchers in front of generally lackluster defenses.
At the same time, Cease has never had pristine control of his high-octane stuff. He has walked more than 10% of batters faced in three of the past four seasons, including his Cy Young runner-up campaign. He issued free passes at a 10.1% clip last year. That inconsistent command has kept him from blossoming into a true ace and is part of the reason he’s “only” 16th in innings pitched over the last four seasons despite topping MLB in starts.
It’s debatable but largely immaterial where Cease slots alongside Darvish and Musgrove among San Diego’s top three starters. King moves to the #4 spot, while the Friars now have only one Opening Day rotation job up for grabs. Brito, Vásquez, knuckleballer Matt Waldron and the out-of-options Pedro Avila could each be in the mix for the role.
It’s a renewed push for contention by a San Diego front office that has never shied away from dealing for star talent. Cease becomes the defining addition of the Padre offseason, largely enabled by his affordability. He and the White Sox had agreed to an $8MM salary to avoid arbitration. He’s under control via that process through the 2025 campaign. The Padres can plug him into the rotation for the next two years for what’ll likely be between $20MM and $25MM overall.
RosterResource calculates San Diego’s 2024 player payroll around $167MM, including Cease’s salary. The trade pushes their luxury tax number around $224MM, roughly $13MM below this year’s lowest threshold. The Friars have worked to stay under the tax line after exceeding it in each of the past three seasons. They still have questions about the overall roster depth — particularly in the outfield — but they have some flexibility to continue adding either this spring or at the deadline without pushing into CBT territory.
Landing a pitcher of Cease’s caliber and affordability required parting with a few fairly well-regarded young players. San Diego was never going to trade Ethan Salas or Jackson Merrill and managed to keep young pitchers Dylan Lesko and Robby Snelling out of the deal. Thorpe, Zavala and Iriarte were all generally regarded in the next tier of Padres talents. Baseball America ranked all three between fifth and ninth in the San Diego system. The Athletic’s Keith Law had those players in the 6-9 range on his organizational prospect list.
As a key piece of the Soto return, Thorpe is probably the most well-known of the bunch. A second-round pick in 2022 out of Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, Thorpe had a breakout showing in his first full minor league season. The 6’4″ right-hander worked to a 2.52 ERA in 23 starts between High-A and Double-A last year. He fanned more than a third of opposing hitters against a modest 7.1% walk rate.
Thorpe doesn’t light up radar guns with a fastball that sits in the low-90s. Evaluators credit him with a plus or better changeup and an above-average breaking ball, though. He has shown advanced strike-throwing acumen, although Law writes that his precise command (the ability to spot pitches where he wants them) isn’t as impressive as his control (hitting the strike zone consistently). Baseball America, FanGraphs and ESPN’s Kiley McDaniel all placed Thorpe in the back half of the league’s Top 100 prospects this winter. He’s a potential mid-rotation arm who could impact the Sox as soon as this year.
Iriarte, a 6’2″ righty from Venezuela, could also be part of the major league pitching staff at some point in 2024. The 22-year-old worked 90 1/3 frames across 27 appearances between High-A and Double-A last season. He allowed 3.49 earned runs per nine behind a 33.2% strikeout percentage. He also walked almost 12% of opposing hitters, but there’s clear bat-missing potential.
Evaluators credit Iriarte with upper 90s velocity with a plus slider and a promising but inconsistent changeup. The chance for three above-average to plus offerings gives him significant upside, although evaluators are split on whether he’ll stick as a starting pitcher. He’ll need to refine his secondary stuff and continue to improve his control, but his athleticism gives him the opportunity to do so. FanGraphs slotted Iriarte in the back half of their Top 100 list. The Sox can take their time to afford him plenty of reps in the upper minors.
Zavala, 19, is a further away development flier. The lefty-hitting outfielder was one of the better prospects in the 2020-21 international signing period. He spent most of last season at Low-A Lake Elsinore. Zavala’s .267/.420/.451 batting line is impressive for a player his age, but prospect evaluators are divided on his long-term upside. Law suggests he’s unlikely to stick in center field, while most reports question his pure contact skills. Zavala took plenty of walks but also struck out at an alarming 27.2% clip in Low-A.
Wilson might be the fourth piece of the return, but he should step directly into the big league bullpen. The 29-year-old righty has been a quality reliever in each of the last two seasons. Wilson owns a 3.48 ERA across 106 career innings. He has fanned just over a quarter of opposing hitters against a 10.9% walk rate. Wilson leans heavily on a low-80s breaking ball and sits in the mid-90s with his fastball.
That profile has led to better strikeout and walk numbers versus right-handed batters, but Wilson has gotten decent results against hitters of either handedness. He could step into high-leverage work in a completely open Sox bullpen. The Santa Clara product has exactly two years of service. Chicago controls him through at least 2027, depending on whether they option him to the minors at any point. He won’t be eligible for arbitration until next offseason.
The White Sox had named Cease their Opening Day starter. That’s no longer on the table as they commit even further to a retool. KBO returnee Erick Fedde is perhaps the top pitcher in what might be the weakest rotation in the American League. Michael Soroka, Chris Flexen, Michael Kopech, Garrett Crochet and Jared Shuster are among the other possibilities. Thorpe figures to open the season in Triple-A but could pitch his way into the mix before long.
Chicago could go outside the organization to try to backfill some of their lost innings. Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic reported last night that the Sox had interest in Michael Lorenzen as a potential Cease replacement. Zack Greinke, Jake Odorizzi and old friend Johnny Cueto also remain unsigned.
Iriarte and Wilson are each on the 40-man roster. Thorpe and Zavala won’t be eligible for the Rule 5 draft until the 2025-26 offseason, although Thorpe seems likely to pitch his way onto the MLB roster well before that point. Chicago designated outfielder Peyton Burdick for assignment to open the necessary 40-man spot.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan first reported the Padres were finalizing a trade for Cease. Jon Heyman of the New York Post confirmed a Cease agreement was in place. Jon Morosi of MLB.com was first to report the White Sox were acquiring Thorpe and Iriarte. The Athletic’s Dennis Lin first reported Wilson’s inclusion. Bob Nightengale of USA Today was first with Zavala being in the deal.
Images courtesy of USA Today Sports.
No!
Yankees could have used him. Even with a healthy Cole they could use another solid arm.
Salas and Thorpe?
0% chance Manny
Gwynning
Would think Salas is untouchable…
Rosenthal just said the price paid was “steep” ….
“Steep” as in quantity or quality? Either way the Padres are probably in a much better position today to snag a Wild Card spot than they were yesterday
Now if Preller trades Cease for Soto, the circle will be complete.
Salas isn’t going anywhere, but Thorpe is gone.
Thorpe yes
Seriously, Salas only goes in deal if Padres get to unload Crony and even then it would be a shocker.
Facts! Drew Thorpe is headed to the White Sox.
@RunDMC So far it’s Drew Thorpe (Soto trade), Jairo Iriarte and Steven Wilson. BTV says the Padres are still $8.9m shy. White Sox probably want a position player. So Head or Pauley maybe?
Zavala
Salas lmao you crazy
This is the equivalent of
Hampton, Peireira, Warren/Lalane
From the Yankees. Spencer Jones would have been an overpay. Yankees tax at play?
Also ironically, for all the Yankees-prospect bashing, the centerpiece included a recent Yankees prospect. Hmmmm.
Too bad Cash didn’t have a Thorpe to go fishing with… sorry for the low blow, Clip!
Salas would only be involved in a trade if they brought in a cy young winner with 3+ years of control or a former MVP.
Otherwise Salas is staying put
It’s more than just value. Salas will be backfilling Campusano within 3 years, right about when it’s time to move Campusano before free agency. Salas is likely the Padres catcher of the future. If he pans out as most expect, he’ll probably be lining up behind Tatis for a “statue contract” extension, right as they move Campu.
Campu looks like the prospect he was envisoned to become, i.e. maybe a top 5 or 8 MLB catcher at his rate of improvement. Salas will make Campu look like a Little Leaguer by comparison. No GM can afford to trade a player with that kind of ceiling, and no GM could afford the cost of such a trade.
Rsox – I’m just glad Cease didn’t change his sox. I wouldn’t want to give up good prospects for a guy coming off a 4.58 ERA 1.418 WHIP season.
Padres paid the price for 2022 Cease, hopefully they get what they paid for.
22 cease would of cost twice as much as burns if not more. They didn’t give up close to that. They really didn’t give up all that much here. Best player was Thorpe who is projected as a 4/5 rotation piece.
@Fever
The one benefit the Padres have is that they are a far better defensive team than the White Sox (as they should be as a team full of SS at almost every position) so that could help improve Cease’s numbers. Snell came over in a similar situation as a player who only had one really good year and saw his numbers improve to a Cy Young award last season in San Diego so we’ll see…
Can NEVER have too much pitching. Woulda looked good in Dodger blue.
Well that’s prospect numbers 5, 7 & 8 -and counting-in the padres system. Good night nurse! Ahahaha!
Literally every single team in the majors could have used him.
Um, at the rate SP’s are dropping like flies…yeah.
The real question is what is Preller doing? But that’s been my question ever since he got the job. Why Cease? He gave up a haul for a P who is only signed for 2 years. Does he think he’s going to beat the Dodgers in 2 years? Why would Cease stay? This is a total head scratcher again.
They gave up some good prospects to be in the wild card mix – seems reasonable to me. For all Preller’s flaws, they are pretty good at replenishing prospects. Padres did not need a # 1 starter, just a solid one.
Yet they did get a #1 starter, he could easily be a #1 on about 70% of the teams
Believe the Sox gave New York every opportunity. But they weren’t going to swing for the fence via trade twice.
It’s the Yankees’ own fault they didn’t get him.
They traded Thorpe in the Soto deal in December. So they could have had Cease, but maybe not Soto.
Don’t miss your flight to South Korea..
So it’s an overpay even before you hear the return?
No not the Tony Gwynn statue!
Did they keep the Chicken?
What about the future rights to the Chinese panda visiting the San Diego zoo?
Nice return for Sox! Woo hoo!!
Why nice, roob? They’re still just prospects. Maybe one of them will someday turn out to be as good as . . . Cease!
Or maybe all four will commit suicide when they realize what kind of organization they’re joining.
@LH
Clevinger 2.0
tony Gwynn statue. I’m dying over here. ☠️
Yes, Ryan. Oh yes
Luis Robert, pack your bags!
This one I did not see coming. It does make some sense adding a potential number one for a couple of years at an extremely affordable rate for a team that was in payroll shed mode. The Padres still have a lot of talent on paper even after losing Soto. They can still compete after adding to what was a very questionable staff. Lots of star power left even after shedding that payroll. I was just shocked because they’ve done nothing but subtract then all of a sudden nab one of if not the best starter available via trade(after Glasnow was already dealt). As the article mentioned it’s hard to rebuild when you have the caliber players they have tied to those contracts. They won’t overtake the Dodgers but good luck trying to outspend LA to try to win a WS in the coming years. But it Cease was truly available which it seems he was the Yankees, Cardinals, Giants, or even maybe the Brewers who have managed to contend with a low budget could’ve been players too among others it’s still a surprise the Padres came out on top even considering what’s still a strong system.
Oakland A’s fans; We are the lost team in baseball!,
White Sox fans; hold my beer!
25 years from now they’ll make a brief post season appearance which is the average time frame
For real. Which of Preller’s blockbuster trades have actually worked out? I’ll give you Snell. Any others?
Darvish worked out pretty well.
No it didn’t
You look like my girlfriend when she asks suggestions on what to get to dinner and then refuses all the options…
Soto, hader, musgrove and darvish have been quite good. Blockbuster or not (why does this detail even matter)
@PadresWSChamps2024
Darvish has been a workhouse for three years putting up almost 10 combined WAR.
I don’t even remember who they traded to get him, except for Zach Davies. Without looking it up, I am going to hazard that was no terrible loss.
@APD They lost the Soto trade by a longshot. Then the Hader, Musgrove and Darvish trades they didn’t exactly win either.
Owen Caissie
It was Zach Davies and:
“Reginald Preciado, Yeison Santana, Owen Caissie and Ismael Mena for Yu Darvish and Victor Caratini.”
Per Spotrac.
Someone else can look up how those guys are all doing
@Informed Sportsball Discussion The Padres didn’t win the WS during Darvish’s 3 remaining contract years. They only made the playoffs in 1 of those years. So his last 3 contract years had no value to the Padres. They did extend him but that extension is underwater so “gaining the inside track on an extension” had no value to the Padres either. Then people said he would help lure other Japanese players to the Padres but he kinda hasn’t. Preller has been in on every Japanese import the last 3 years and the only one he’s signed is Matsui.
Owen Caissie was in the Darvish trade and he is currently ranked #47 overall on MLBPipeline.
I’m going to guess that you will hear the name of Owen Caissie one day. But yes, Darvish is a good pitcher and has done well for SD.
@Dogbone And they could have not traded for Darvish and just signed him this offseason. That way they keep Owen Caissie, have Zach Davies to eat innings in 2021 and can trade those other scrubs for something else.
Remember the name OWEN CAISSIE. Top 5 (#4 BA) prospect for the Cubs. Sweet swinging left handed out fielder. Other than Tatis, Casissie is better than anyone the Padres have has a true outfielder.
@Padres didn’t realize you can predict the future. You can’t say anything about the Soto trade for a couple more years.
@Edward John Smiths The Padres already lost that trade no matter what happens.
@Padres how can you say that after 1.5 years, Let’s reconvene this conversation in two years.
@PadresWSChamps2024
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“The Padres didn’t win the WS during Darvish’s 3 remaining contract years. They only made the playoffs in 1 of those years. So his last 3 contract years had no value to the Padres.”
That’s not the way any of this works. You don’t evaluate individual trades on whether or not the team won the World Series after that trade. You evaluate how the players in the trade performed. The World Series metric, to the extent it is even fair anymore with how random the playoffs are, is applied to the overall roster construction. This thread is about Preller’s trades, not his roster construction.
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“They did extend him but that extension is underwater so ‘gaining the inside track on an extension’ had no value to the Padres either.”
Way too soon to declare that. He had one subpar year which was still good for a 4.56 ERA and 2.4 WAR. That’s no worse than a mid-rotation starter, for that one year, and Yu stands a good chance of regaining his TOR form.
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“Then people said he would help lure other Japanese players to the Padres but he kinda hasn’t. Preller has been in on every Japanese import the last 3 years and the only one he’s signed is Matsui.”
Has no bearing whatsoever on anything. People say Manny would never have signed if Hosmer hadn’t signed first. People say irrelevant, non-sensical things.
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“Owen Caissie was in the Darvish trade and he is currently
ranked #47 overall on MLBPipeline.”
That’s nice. The Cubs have a nice prospect. The Padres got two years of an ace, likely more, and a third year of average. Preller can always get more prospects. And has.
@PadresWSChamps2024
“And they could have not traded for Darvish and just signed him this offseason. That way they keep Owen Caissie, have Zach Davies to eat innings in 2021 and can trade those other scrubs for something else.”
By your own narrative, then they would have missed out on Darvish’s best years and would only have the remaining years left, which in your other comment you are so sure will be sub-par.
I can’t do moving goalposts. Moving on.
@Informed Sportsball Discussion I’ll say it again. They could have signed Darvish this offseason without trading for him. And for less money than they are currently paying him.
How much WAR has Cassie put up?
How much WAR does Cassie have?
PWSC
“So his last 3 contract years had no value to the Padres.”
LOL
OK, troll
@Informed Sportsball Discussion The Padres didn’t win the Ws in 2021-23. They only made the playoffs once in those years. And that was WITH Darvish. They could have done that without him.
Idk if his remaining years will be subpar. What I’m saying is they *COULD* have signed him this offseason if they really wanted to. And it would have cost them less than they ended up paying him because he’d be coming off a worse platform year. Preller bought high on that extension.
@Easy as 1 2 3 Same as Jackson Holliday. The Orioles should trade him for Jake Cronenworth.
PWSC
“they *COULD* have signed him this offseason if they really wanted to. And it would have cost them less than they ended up paying him because he’d be coming off a worse platform year. ”
And they would have missed out on 3 very good years
@PadresWSChamps2024
“I’ll say it again. They could have signed Darvish this offseason without trading for him. And for less money than they are currently paying him.”
And I’ll say this is silly and the likes of you would criticize Preller for not trying to win if he had gone this way.
Plus, butterfly effect. Reasonable people don’t make this level of using future events to judge past decisions and making assumptions about what might have been.
The one prospect that looks to be legit that the Cubs get was Owen Caissie – still TBD to see how that trade pans out.
not sure how you say they didn’t win the Darvish trade. Has he been an ace? no.. but he’s pitched very well for the last few years and they don’t sniff contention without reliable, above average pitchers. I think Darvish is an easy win, especially when you see the deets
@Chipsss I’ll say it again. They didn’t win a WS during Darvish’s 3 contract years. They didn’t MAKE a WS during Darvish’s 3 contract years. They only made the playoffs ONCE during Darvish’s 3 contract years. And then that extension they signed him to is underwater. They could have kept Owen Caissie and then signed Darvish this offseason for less money.
The ranking of prospects needs some proper context. These are the 14th and 47th ranked prospects for the years:
2017, Eloy Jimenez, Jorge Mateo.
2018, Bo Bichette, Anthony Alford.
2019, Jo Adell, Nick Madrigal.
2020 Joey Bart, Nolan Gorman..
Obviously there is some hope for guys ranked in the top 50, but it’s also obvious that those rankings are no guarantee.
So only players on WS winning teams have value? You live in a sad little world.
Darvish was a good deal, until they signed him to a ridiculous extension that pays him until he is 42.
Same with Cronenworth, probably a win of a trade, until you extend him when you don’t even have to.
Even when Preller wins, he finds a way to lose.
@filihok “And they would have missed out on 3 very good years.”
And would have the same number of NL pennants that they do now.
@filihok So I’m a troll because I said something you disagree with now?
Dude just post linkage to your book jeez
Exactly just because he don’t keep them long enough don’t count lol.
Owen is a top prospect that probably will make the Cubs roster this year.
Darvishes best years? 2 years of an ace? Can you cite those numbers please? Is an era over 4 considered ace level now? If you weren’t aware, you can sign guys in free agency without losing prospect captial who have a 4 plus era. He had one good yr. Caissie is going to be a superstar.
Go write a column
Ace? 32-29 with era around 4.00? That’s more like a #4 starter with #2 starter wages.
50/50 chance they’ll be a MLB starter pretty much
PWSC
” So I’m a troll because I said something you disagree with now?”
Nope.
That’s the way your brain works, not mine
You’re a troll because you are here making negative statements to get attention
DDL
“Is an era over 4 considered ace level now?”
Is ERA the stat that knowledgable people are looking at to determine who’s an ace? No
PWSC
“And would have the same number of NL pennants that they do now.”
So, in your mind, Mike Trout has no value as a player?
Okay is a fip of 3.90, 3.31 and 4.01 an ace? Does that additiobal info give you an ace? Didnt think so.
DDL
Have you misconstrued something that I’ve said as my saying that he was or wasn’t an ace?
No, just to say that regardless of what stat you are looking at, my point was correct. He isnt an ace. If you’re arguing era vs fip then i guess i would say i cater my usage of terms to the audience that i am talking to. In this case idk the kowledge level and dont want to take the time to explain it so i used a generic stat. Now ive spent time explaining myself. Joke is on me! Lol
DDL
“i cater my usage of terms to the audience that i am talking to. ”
Always a good idea
But, you still need to use something relevant.
ERA isn’t relevant
@filihok No, I’m expressing my opinion the same as everyone else is. I don’t much care whether it is positive or negative.
@filihok I think the Angels should have traded Trout and Ohtani last offseason if that’s what you’re asking.
@Zombie Bukowski Except the other GM’s literally DIDN’T do that.
Owen Caissie, strikes out a ton, has little to no speed, hits home runs and can drive in runs.
Not convinced he is a super prospect
PWSC
“No, I’m expressing my opinion the same as everyone else is. I don’t much care whether it is positive or negative.”
No. I don’t think that you are
I think you’re seeking negative attention because you can’t get positive attention
PWSC
“I think the Angels should have traded Trout and Ohtani last offseason if that’s what you’re asking.”
That is not what I asked.
I’m asking if you think Trout has had value as a player playing for the Angels
So the padres didnt win the ws soley based on Yu darvish preformance? Gotcha.
APD
Maybe you are misinterpreting when your girlfriend says “We could just skip dinner”
@filihok
Well you think wrong then.
No.
@99socalfrc Exactly! If they wanted to pay Darvish all that money they didn’t have to give up Owen Caissie to do it.
PWSC
Muted (no sign of intelligence)
he had a bad year last year. he was good the year before and before that. you also have to take into consideration that the teams clubhouse culture was not great. I imagine that could have spilled over into the pitching. Everyone on the Padres was bad besides snell, who pitched 25 games. eventually someone is going to overpay for snell. doesn’t make sense. he’s been steadily injured.
You complain a lot, sound a lot like this guy “jdsthird”
@PWSC24 but not for lack of trying
More like, the innings Davies has pitched since leaving the Padres have eaten him up. I personally liked him and was disappointed he was traded. But, the return was much better the cost of the trade.
Could have or would have, there are plenty of other Preller trades that fit under this category. The Darvish trade is not one of them. Caissie has yet to prove himself and Davies, how many teams has he been on since the trade?
“They could have signed Darvish this offseason without trading for him.”
This point is completely irrelevant. You can say that about any trade ever made. GM’s trade for the contract. They didn’t trade for Darvish post 2023 – they wanted and needed him 2021-2023.
Filihok at it again! You showed him didn’t you? Muted because I’m weak, Pathetic
How are the Musgrove and Darvish trades bad? They’ve both been solid. The only guy in those trades that hurts being gone is Bednar in the Musgrove trade but I’d take a strong #2 SP over a solid closer. None of the prospects in the Darvish trade have made that majors. The only prospect that may hurt them giving up in the Hader trade is Gasser but he has yet to make the majors and show just how good he is so it’s still early. But you can’t get Musgrove, Darvish and Hader without giving up some value.
The by far worst trade that Preller has done is the Austin Nola trade. He didn’t do squat for them and cost them Ty France and Munoz.
If you’re judging trades by if they bring in a World Series then the overwhelming majority of trades are “losses.” That’s not a very good metric to measure the success of a trade. Also, Darvish is/was worth the #47 prospect.
There’s a reason you’re not their GM PadresWSChamps2024. You provided your opinion this whole thread and doubled down on it and provided nothing to back it up. Meanwhile, everyone else throwing Numbers… That are backed up by this thing called stats and you continuously double down. Crazy how the human brain can work so well on some and barely function on others
Eat 4 innings a game
@padres You don’t have to win the World Series to win a trade. The players you received simply have to perform better than the ones you gave away.
@SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres Jackson Holliday has yet to prove himself either. Let’s trade the Orioles Jake Cronenworth for him!
@Nuggethoarder “Needed him” 2021-2023. What exactly is it that you think would have happened to them in those years if they hadn’t made that trade? They wouldn’t have won a pennant? Oh wait, they didn’t anyway!
@RodBecksBurnerAccount…
“How are the Musgrove and Darvish trades bad?”
Because they didn’t win the WS with them and lost David Bednar and Owen Caissie!
“… but I’d take a strong #2 SP over a solid closer.”
Why not both?
“None of the prospects in the Darvish trade have made that majors.”
Nor has Jackson Holliday. Let’s trade Jake Cronenworth for him!
“But you can’t get Musgrove, Darvish and Hader without giving up some value.”
Oh and why not?
“The by far worst trade that Preller has done is the Austin Nola trade.”
Oh please, the Nola trade isn’t even top 5 bad. Kemp, Myers, Upton, Soto, Clevinger and Frazier trades were WAY worse!
“Also, Darvish is/was worth the #47 prospect.”
Darvish is at a -$20.1m on BTV so he’s not worth any prospect let alone the #47.
@Jaysfansince92 There’s also things like money and club control to think about. If you trade for a player who produces slightly more WAR than the guy you gave up but costs 10x as much then that’s not very good.
8 guys. 1 has been better than league average so far in his career. That one has been an All Star caliber player.
PadsWSC2024- In a play on theory, you honestly think that an unrestricted Free Agent Darvish would have earned LESS than his Padre AAV? Are you absolutely positive that he would have signed in SD? That is why teams conduct a trade for a coveted player- to “own” that player FOR SURE. We all just watched Free Agency pitcher contracts blow the fudge up. Your take(s) seem like thinly veiled disgust.
I’ve never seen a more serious case of Hindsightus Twentytwenticus… are you faulting Preller and Co. for TRYING?!?! C’mon PadsWSC2024, even you can do better.
He’s completely delusional. He either believes every trade must lead to a World Series title or it should be so one sided for his team that the other team should get nothing of value in return.
@Gwynning…
“In a play on theory, you honestly think that an unrestricted Free Agent Darvish would have earned LESS than his Padre AAV?”
With the season he had in 2023? Absolutely. And you also have to factor Owen Caissie into the “real cost” the Padres paid for Darvish. I know we hate prospects on here but he has to count for something.
“Are you absolutely positive that he would have signed in SD?”
If they offered the most $? You bet.
“are you faulting Preller and Co. for TRYING?!?!”
No. I’m faulting their methods.
@RodBecksBurnerAccount It’s true. Imagine what Cubs fans would think of the Chapman trade if they hadn’t won the WS that year.
Austin Nola still isn’t a top 5 bad trade for Preller, who doesn’t get nearly enough hate for the 3 outfielder trades he made at the 2014 winter meetings. Even if you only look at the trades made after the 2019 season ended there’s still a couple trades that were worse, like Clevinger, Soto and Frazier.
@stymeedone I didn’t forget this one.
“You do what you want, but I will still use Wins in my evaluation of starters. It indicates the ability to pitch effectively for more than 5 innings, and be better than your counterpart. A regular 15 game winner is worth more than a 3.00 fip.”
Sometimes all I can say is “lol.”
Just checking in to see if y’all still think the Musgrove extension was a smart move.
IMO, it’s still too early to tell. I have no problem with the decision to extend, other than it being for 5 years. I don’t like that length, but, not knowing the details, that might not even be a legitimate criticism.
They got a very good performance from him last season, and I doubt he’ll continue to be as bad as he’s been so far this year. I think he’ll turn it around. With the dearth of pitching, if he’s good year next season, SD getting 3 good years, will think extending him was a success.
Looks like I was right about the Padres losing the Darvish and Musgrove trades.
Why do you think that? Because they’re on the IL15? The Darvish and Musgrove trades are already locked up as Padre victories imo, but go ahead and pass whatever you’re smokin’ Champ!
Already explained why I think that further up this page.
We’ve all read what you think and, quite collectively, we all disagree with your perspective. All good though bro, carry on and go Pads!
PadresWSChamps2024, for 10 consecutive years my buddy kept saying this is the royals year. One year they actually won it all, and he said I called it…
Also the fact that you came back to this from March… Have your mom take you out for ice cream for being correct… Sorta, once
@Gwynning Agree or disagree. Doesn’t matter to me. It matters to the players though!
@Guard the Vogt Just admit you’re intimidated by people who are smarter than you! We already know it to be the case anyway!
I might be if I ever came across someone that fit that description. How was the ice cream with Mommy?
Yeah, ad hominems really tell the whole story.
Grow up.
The irony of your comment. Lololol grow up he says… Coming back to a post from March to make sure people give you credit for being “right” and he says grow up.
Seriously, how was the ice cream?
Exactly. You’re mad because you can’t get things right as often as me so you resort to the tired “Mommy + ice cream” shtick.
Again. Grow up.
Give it a rest, Champ. Stay classy San Diego!
Owen Caissie on track to make his debut sometime this year. It’s only gonna get worse.
None of the prospects from the Darvish trade have yet to make it to the majors (from 4 years ago). And again, I’d take Musgrove over Bednar.
I don’t see how you think something has changed here. Darvish was having a solid season. I’m sure he will be back and continue having solid numbers. Musgrove is hurt but will be back soon. Bednar had a rough start to the year but is starting to get back on track.
But ya, the Pads won those trades easily. Musgrove has had 8.8 WAR since being traded to the Pads vs Bednar’s 5.8. Yu had 8.0 WAR since going to the Pads. So ya, the Pads won both.
How many titles have the Padres won in those years? How much more $ are Musgrove and Darvish making than Bednar and Caissie?
The prospects in the Darvish trade were never *supposed* to make an impact at the ML level in the short term. The point of that trade for the Cubs was to dump Darvish’s contract and get younger and more club-controlled.
Doesn’t mean you just stop making acquisitions
No, but it should mean that ownership should get someone else to make those acquisitions.
Tatis
Was t a “blockbuster” but ok.
Not a blockbuster. Was a lottery ticket they got from the Shields salary dump.
No. Shields made it a salary dump.
Musgrove
Dunno bout that! All they really got out of that trade was the no-hitter. No-hitters are nice, but they still only count as 1 win in the standings. David Bednar has been worth well over 1 WAR.
Musgrove 7.0 WAR, 3.06 ERA in 61 starts in 2021-2022
Soto worked well (circumstances pending) They had one good season then flipped him into a hand full of controllable mlb talent
WTF are you talking about?????? Soto was the worst trade of the entire Preller era!
How is it prellers fault when a dying own told him to pull the trigger ??
@Padres…oh so wrong. Trading away Fried and Turner were his dumbest moves.
@Edward John Smiths Abrams, Gore and Wood will be up there with Turner and Fried when all is said and done.
They emptied their farm system to get him. That was a horrible trade.
Abrams looks like he may work out but his stock was way down. Wood has a 40%k rate; they sold him at peak value. Gore is the one they’ll miss. He has real promise !
Lol. Woods is the 14th rated prospect in baseball. I guess not the peak you thought. Gore is a stud. You traded Soto after one full year of a disastrous season.
That’s my point, being the 14th ranked prospect is the most valuable he will ever be as he projects as someone who may never even make the majors. A 40%k rate won’t get you into the league
They did? Who has worked out in that trade? Abrams 88 OPS+ for Nats. He can field, but not hit. He would not have started over Kim in 2nd half of 2022 or in 2023, so not a big loss, Gore 4.42 ERA for Nats and continues to be hurt. Hassell washed out. Wood is striking out nearly 40% of the time and while he is still a top prospect, only one guy in history has struck out that much at the same levels in the minors and made an impact in the majors. His name? Joey Gallo, That is his ceiling.
So tell us again why it was a horrible trade.
You may have also noticed that the Padres farm system is ranked 3rd today, so not much damage done.
Abrams looks like he may work out but his stock was way down. Wood has a 40%k rate;
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BA and BP still rank him in the top 11. Abrams had a 3.4 bWAR last year, and Gore had a 2.0. And Hassell still has a shot. This projects as a major loss.
@websoulsurfer Abrams and Gore put up 0.1 WAR less than Soto IN 2023 while making the league minimum. And you assume that the other dudes can’t improve. That they are already all they are going to be despite the oldest one being 22. And looking at it from an ex ante perspective, the fact of the matter is they gave up more surplus value than they brought back.
Now go away. I have zero time for those who are willfully ignorant.
So far though, Gore has an approx. 4.5 career ERA with lots of injuries to boot
His name is Wood. Remember his name
500 foot homers will. Wood is bashing so far.
I’ll take one year of soto and the package they got from yanks. Hassell has no power he won’t make it. And come on now Joe. You don’t have faith in a 40%k rate do u??
I still think Abrams has the highest upside of the three. In the right system, this year would have been his first exposure to the show and he would have been a top 6-7 overall MLB prospect
@Big whiffa CJ Abrams and MacKenzie Gore put up 0.1 WAR less than Soto in 2023. And they did that while making the league minimum. The first Soto trade can’t be considered anything but a complete and total disaster for the Padres.
CJ Abrams, James Wood, Jairo, Jarlin and Zavala for Soto (part of term) and Cease
Everyone seemed to pay about market price not too high or too low. No horrible moves by anyone.
@MannyBeingMVP That would have been a colossal overpay if they still had CJ and Wood and made that trade now.
I’m not a Prellar fan,but can name the Tatis trade as one and the Hader trade.
Neither was a blockbuster
Kinda silly to limit the discussion to blockbusters.
But the jury is still out on Soto. The five guys they got back have a combined 18 years of team control remaining.
Soto was Soto while he was here. The Pads got what they traded for. The fact the overall team didn’t work does not factor into the trade itself.
One of or the best closers isn’t a blockbuster? Astros payed a blockbuster price. More of a even trade though. Gasser is still around and the headliner got them Contreras.
The Soto trade was the most blockbuster of the blockbuster. Is anything less not blockbuster?
Brew88 The Soto trade was worse than the Myers trade. Which is impressive in a weird way.
But was it “blockbuster”?
I guess Preller misunderstood when ownership said cease & desist. Ahahaha!
Snell was alright return for Ray’s at time but SD really won that one. Dervish worked out. Only 1 prospect amounted to anything and not at mlb yet. Musgrove was alright. Bednar is worth more and they could have kept Endy for themselves but since they were able to extended Musgrove it isn’t as big of a loss.
I thought the SoSo trade was so so fair enough return.
Last year was a down year, and you said “blockbuster”, but the Cronenworth trade has looked good for awhile.
Obviously, Cro has to show his stats will reverse the bad trend, but there is plenty of time left for him to display his value. Preferably along with moving back to second base.
Darvish 3.61 ERA in 60 starts in 2021-2022 before signing extension
Snell 3.15 ERA in 83 starts in 2021-2023
Musgrove 3.06 ERA in 61 starts in 2021-2022 before signing extension
Hader 2.61 ERA in 80 games
Soto 151 OPS+ and 7.7 WAR
Cronenworth 111 OPS+ and 11.5 WAR/Pham
Grisham 96 OPS and 10.4 WAR in 4 seasons/Davies
That is far more than the bad trades in the last 4 years.
@web Padres lost the Soto trade by a country mile. If we believe that a team’s only goal should be to win a championship they lost the Darvish, Musgrove and Hader trades as well. Snell… Well they didn’t win a championship with him but none of the dudes they gave up panned out and the CYA has to count for something. Cronenworth was a lottery ticket that they hit on. Tommy Pham was supposed to be the main piece of that trade and I already know you hate him. And then the Grisham trade didn’t really have any effect one way or the other.
Zach Davies. What a bum, lol. The Padres easily won the Darvish trade. It doesn’t matter if they won a World Series, made a World Series, or any of the other stupid stuff you keep saying.
Cubs wanted to get out from under the contract. Anything Owen Caissie does in Chicago is just the cherry on top.
Not that you’re going to buy this, but aside from the debacle of the 2020 deadline trades, all still justifiable moves in hindsight, Preller’s trades have been pretty good.
It’s his free agent signings and ability to field a roster with depth that have been the issue.
Musgrove gave them the only no-hitter in franchise history so there’s that.
If you want to count it, you could count the James Shields/Tatis trade. Although that was more luck than skill because no one thought Tatis would end up as good as he became.
@hiflew
“If you want to count it, you could count the James Shields/Tatis trade. Although that was more luck than skill because no one thought Tatis would end up as good as he became.”
It’s almost like we should not use a GM’s inability to completely predict the future against him or her when analyzing decisions. That’s crazy talk to our boy @PadresWSChamps2024.
@Informed Sportsman…just on a side note, I see you responding to websoulsurfer and hiflew while I see neither of those two in this thread tree at all. Am I out of my mind?? Do I need to switch to the app?? SmH !
Just go down to the end of the thread and click “see all replies.: They have recently changed it where a limited number of responses can be in a thread.I had the same problem on a story a couple weeks back and took forever to figure it out.
@Informed Sportsball Discussion What’s hilarious is that the Preller d**kriders want to give him all the credit for trading Shields for Tatis when he was an unknown 17 y/o but then when you bring up Trea Turner, Max Fried or Emmanuel Clase they’re all like “CaN i PlEaSe BoRrOw YoUr CrYsTaL bAlL sInCe YoU cLeArLy KnEw ThOsE dUdEs WoUlD bE aLl StArS wHeN tHeY wErE tRaDeD ?”
At the end of the day GM’s are paid to get it right more often than not. Preller hasn’t done that.
Musgrove.
Not a win. Already explained why.
Ryan’s new profile! But this one he plays more of an angry drunk but same dumb responses.
“Why sign him this year when you can sign him next year for nothing!” nonsense
WCR>Red Rooster> Removepitcherswins>Harambe now this new account.
Strange, strange man
I wonder whose burner this is lmfao.
Ready for some details. Exciting!
Hey we finally agree on something!
Nate Colbert
Wow, waiting to see the details on this!
Reports so far are Thorpe and Iriarte which if Preller was able to keep both Lesko and Snelling he did pretty well in this trade.
If Thorpe and Iriarte – who I like a lot – are the top prospects, I may not be as unhappy.
What is the “among” now.
No Marsee or Pauley. Padres have a lot of valuable prospects in their 10-20 range.
So far
Thorpe
Iriarte
Steve Wilson
Zavala
Not mad so far.
They kept who they needed to keep and seems like Zavala isn’t viewed as highly as Bush Head Marsee and others.
Vasquez or Brito replace Wilson in the pen.
Bushhead Marsee sounds like a killer Australian band
I think you at right on – I’m not mad so long
as Cease performs at the 3 level.
Where is Towinagain?
Ltc- I think he’s above under the PadsWSChamps24 moniker. I could be a wrong… it does sound like him tho.
Nope. Only one account. It is more than enough.
My bad! Carry on
Had to mute chumps2024.
Preller just got a middle of the rotation starter with a 3.54 ERA/3.40 FIP the last 3 seasons and 2 years of team control and didn’t give up Salas, Merrill, Snelling, or Lesko.
Wilson, Thorpe, Iriarte, and Zavala.
Hahahaha riiiight we all know it’s you Ryan
@websoulsurfer And you felt the need to broadcast this… Why?
Yeah I had a long time ago.
You didn’t have to you *chose* to. There’s a difference.
Estrada replaces Wilson in the pen.
Zavala is just further away from the majors than Marsee, Bush, and Head.
Muted him and more than 200 comments disappeared.
And you’re still not missing anything…
@goose And you felt the need to comment on my post why?
@websoulsurfer I asked you first.
Plus Zavala
Yeah I actually suggested him as a maybe elsewhere. I’m good with that because we have Marsee still for 2025 when Merrill shifts to SS.
Let’s see what Getz negotiating skills get us back lol
Probably Cronenworth.
Big Game James
Gotta be a snelling headliner and that’s a real good centerpiece. I can’t imagine them trading solas.
So snelling maybe lesko and prob 2 more borderline top 10 guys. A 4-1 is my guess
Agreed that Salas isn’t going anywhere
No no no
This is what they needed the most. Maybe NY knew Coles ligament isnt torn so no need to give an over the top offer.
Elbow issues are still a concern without a torn ligament so they will still need to be cautious. Add the fact that Rodon can’t stay healthy and Stroman has had his health issues plus the depleted organizational depth the Yankees still should be looking to add more pitching, whether it’s trading for Cease (which the obviously no longer do) or signing Snell or Montgomery
Cole is gone 2 months.
Hmm, Pads have way more T100 prospects than I thought. Maybe this is actually possible to be good for the Sox… Lesko+Merrill feels like too much to hope for, but….
Merrill is their starting CF right now. I doubt he’s in it. They just said he was on the plane to Seoul
Hmm, good point. Perhaps it’s just a handful of pitchers at the top (say, Lesko and Snelling or Thorpe).
Did JP Hoonstra say he was on a plane?
Yeah, I think Merrill stays in SD to play center field
Merrill’s gonna break camp in starting lineup. So he won’t be part of it. Snelling had a great season and is a lefty
Thought the White sox would trade with the Rangers, feels Texas had a better pool of prospects for them
If they’re adamant about holding both Carter and Langford, then no, not really.
Yeah prob came down to Getz preference. I liked Texas farm too. I didn’t think I would at first but guys like Porter and Leiter peak interest for sure
Look at how many big trades SD has been involved in. Means they have paid the most. Other than Scherzer if they are really interested they usually get their man.
Its never who has the best prospects. Its always who is willing to trade the best prospects. Seldom the same team.
Nicely said, stymee.
As I commented in the other pre-trade Padre thread, there’s value in the fact that Preller has shown the ability to build a top ranked farm system quickly AND a willingness to move those prospects. Most teams struggle to draft/develop, and as a result are reluctant to give up their prospects because they’re not sure they can replace them.
Not Preller, and in a league where everyone overvalues their prospects as a result, he has the ability to make moves.
Agreed Dev. It’s now 3 times in 10 years that he’s had a top system and traded most of it..then rebuilt it within 2-3 years into a top system again.
As a Padres fan, I personally like the guy.
At least he goes for it.
Gunslinger mentality..
I remember their former owner Ron Fowler saying in 2014-2015 offseason that they were going to make a splash and then the Padres went out and traded for and signed some big name guys like Shields and Kemp.
After those guys didn’t win together, two years later I remember the owner saying midway through the 2016 season that they were changing gears and because they were a small market team that they were focusing on building a team from the ground up that would contend in 2020-2021.
Since then they changed owners and started spending money like they were a mid-market team when they signed Machado to what was a record FA deal at the time.
Along the way Preller has been able to build up and tear down their farm system to have the guys available to make trades since 2020 for guys like Clevinger, Cronenworth, Darvish, Musgrove, Snell, Hader, Soto, and others and today they still have a top 5 farm system after trading away 3 guys out of their top 10 prospects including an MLB top 100
No matter what you say about the guy, he can scout and build a farm system with the very best that have ever done that job.
The major league team has not been as successful as they would have liked, although they have been much better the last 4 years than the team I root for, but their talent pipeline is a thing to behond. After all the guys that the Angels have been through, I have to wonder what would have happened if Arte had hired Preller instead.
All that right there is why I am back on board the AJ bandwagon, major league mediocrity be danged.
He’ll get it right this time, I tells ya.
@outinleftfield Perry Minasian is probably a better GM than A. J. Preller if both owners just let the GM do his thing, which obviously will never happen with Moreno.
This is why you tell Preller he can take a year off from “win now” trades because he still has job security, boys and girls.
I guess I’ll be guardedly optimistic.
If they follow this up by signing Michael A. Taylor, that oddly enough makes the whole thing seem better. It would be classic Preller, for better or worse. See needs, do flurry of things to address needs, consider the long-term ramifications later.
No thank$ on Taylor and his 10.5 mil demand
@no soup
It would suck to double Grisham’s price for a guy who hits only 30 to 40 points higher, but those 30 to 40 points clear the Mendoza line. With where free agent prices are, I can see doing it.
No Taylor. They have a CF, and he can actually hit
@Brew88
If you’re referring to Merrill, he has looked as good as he possibly could in spring.
But starting center fielder is a lot to put on a rookie who will be learning the position, otherworldly talent notwithstanding. I’d feel more comfortable seeing him in left field.
He said publicly that CF was easier for him than LF. It’s what a SS would probably feel.
I’m not high on Taylor for the price, obviously. I’d rather sign Duvall for LF (or trade for someone better) and let Azocar/Merrill handle CF.
How much room do they have under the CBT after this signing. I think that will determine how much more they spend. I could be wrong, but I don’t think $10 million would fit.
The athletic says around $13 million in this article.
theathletic.com/5339505/2024/03/13/padres-dylan-ce…
Cots and Roster Resource are around $8 million.
24 hours later and I am feeling pretty good about this deal. Puts the Padres from a question mark rotation to potentially a top 5. All the top prospects are still around.
This will do.
Huge move for Friars
Snelling, Lesko AND Thorpe is my thought.
minus Snelling and Lesko, and you’re spot on
The strength of the farm made this work. Snelling and Lesko make losing Thorpe and Iriarte.
Marsee makes losing Zavala ok.
Vásquez and Britto actually means 1 of them cover Wilson’s spot even.
I cringed when I saw the report and said I wasn’t in favor but at this cost, I’m good of Cease is anywhere as close to a good 3 as promised.
King gets pressure taken off by moving to 4, Waldron or Brito the same going to 5/6.
Strong rotation.
Cease can even be flipped at deadline if desired for probably as much as they just traded away!
Right on LT. I think in some ways we have survived this AJ move better than some in the past! For every guy they just traded, we have better prospects at the same positions.
Wow. That thought was way off base.
Congrats all you consistently sour padres fans. Hope it works out for you.
Hey, don’t let one bad apple spoil the whole d@#× bunch! Cheers Gobot
I assume Merrill and Lesko plus a lottery ticket or two?
Salas and Merrill are staying put.
Lesko is exactly who popped into my head when I read the headline.
Wow Sid you missed that by a long way (thankfully!)
Wow, I whiffed big time. Awful return for the Sox. Especially with the price tag being so high for other teams, just an awful fleecing by Preller. Almost as bad as the Tatis deal, but at least they were trading a young unknown kid at that point. Woof.
SBSD
“just an awful fleecing by Preller.”
BTV has the trade almost exactly even
Where do you disagree with their assessment?
Did, I think most Padres fans that know about these 3 prospects will say Sox didn’t do too bad.
Iriarte will very likely be in top 100 when adjusted next for guys maturing out. Zavala might not make it but isn’t too far off the back end.
Thorpe is of course on it and Wilson has been just as good of a 6/7 RP as anyone (on min salary) the past 2 years.
Like all prospect trades who knows for a few years but won’t be surprised if they have at least a 4th OF, a 3 SP in Thorpe; and either a 3/4 in Iriarte or a dominant late inning RP.
You got to give it to my man AJ…. The boy has balls. He keeps it exciting for San Diego that’s for sure. He doesn’t get it all right but he’s entertaining as a fan. Even as a Red Sox fan. Sheesh! 🙂
Padres farm about to be gutted
Gutted? Ok, preller has shown he can stack prospects.
He also has shown to overpay multiple SS on one team
Uhhh, not so much!
I thought this trade would Cease to exist.
Whoa dude !n
the big question… is Dylan going to Korea?
Get that passport stamped!
doubt it
I don’t doubt it now, turns out Dylan going to Korea after all
Congrats Gwynny, you guys have some last minute excitement!!!
*hat tip towards our PNW friends*
&
*a wink with a smile*
Ditto, ISOB. I like this deal for both teams, but the Pads needed some good news for this season.
Congratulations, Gwynning, wish he could’ve helped my Yanks out this season….
Clip- Watch Grish out-hit Soto and snag an MVP… then I can truly say “See? We helped you!” without a smirk. At least Cole Train isn’t derailed for ’24? You’re still the Evil Empire, y’all will figure “it” out.
Good luck to everybody threadin’ here… and your Reds, Mariners and Yanks included! All the best
Ok even your Giants, B
Our Giants are Americas Team. They have done more to deny the Dodgers than any team, thus the universal love, Gwynning. Plus, they won’t compete with the resurgent Friars this year, like good service dogs.
Nope! Not America’s team, let’s call ‘em what they are…The Hated Ones!
Oh cmon, isn’t that the Dodgers?
Braves should have traded ASS and Elder for Cease.
I’m a braves fan, and the White Sox would have said no to that deal. Be real with yourself.
No, they shouldn’t have. AJSS is going to be a good one, and Cease is a walking red flag. I remember when Atlanta was first connected to Cease, I cringed every time. I feel bad for SD fans, but I’m glad Cease is going there instead of Atlanta. I’m very happy with the rotation Atlanta has.
Trade ASS and Elder for one year of Cease?? No thanks
Your mom has traded ASS for alot less…
Definitely thumbs up worthy comment here.
2 years. He’s arbitration eligible in ‘25.
Merrill or Cronerworth is most likely being dealt
Go to mlb.com and check padres depth. Theres no way they can trade 2 players out of their lineup for cease
He said “or”
I bet Lesko is a part of it.
Guessing Merrill and Salas are off limits for sure. So Snelling, Thorpe, Lesko, and Eguy Rosario.
The White Sox typically get a haul in these deals ….. Chris Sale brought Kopech and Moncada …. Adam Eaton brought Giolito, Dane Dunning and Reynaldo Lopez …. Jose Quintana brought Dylan Cease and Eloy Jimenez.
These deals also typically work out for the other team. Sale brought a ring to Boston. Adam Eaton was key in Washington getting a ring. Quintana was damn good for the Cubs while they were contending.
CWS has a new GM.
That creep can roll, man.
Yay Padres. Now the Orioles win the East.
“Multiple notable prospects” is what I saw on Twitter
Can he play centerfield
Ok Sox,
“Trevor is waiting.”
Ya’ll kept telling me the White Sox were not gonna get a haul for Cease ….
Well, did they? What’s your assessment of what they got?
Not bad, but not as much as you’ve been saying they’d get all winter.
Preller burned ’em. Other than Thorpe they didn’t get back much. What happened to Getz not giving him up unless he got an amazing return?
I mean I like teams improving, but with the Dodgers and Diamondbacks and the giants on the rise do the Padres really have a great shot of winning? Getz was asking the moon for Cease, assuming he hasn’t massively came down to earth is it worth devasting the farm?
Let’s wait and see what the return is before judging if they devastated the farm or not.
@blackpink
Now that the return is out wow, Chris Getz went way down on the price he was asking. I don’t hate the trade now.
Trade simulator says the deal was extremely fair. I like this deal for both teams. It always made sense to trade Cease.
@blackpink
Yeah I think it’s definitely fair but earlier in the offseason Getz was asking for 3 top prospects and a fourth mid tier prospect. It’s a good thing he had a reality check.
The 3 prospects they got are all in or near the top 100.
40% of teams make it to the playoffs. As we saw with the DBacks, anything can happen in the postseason.
Giants will finish 4th in this division
Bold of you to pick LA 5th
I dont know what they gave up, but I assume the Padres lost the trade. Weird win now move.
Thorpe, Iriarte and Wilson wouldn’t be a loss for Padres today – I was expecting more and wasn’t going to like it. I’m not upset by this if not much more going.
It’s not final though so holding breath still.
Add Zavala
If you believe the models at baseball trade values, the Padres essentially gave the White Sox fair market value for Cease. Seems like a pretty fair deal to me.
Os – I can’t say that I believe in those models but they are a source for data and can be right sometimes.
I think so long as Cease performs as a 3 for 2 years Padres got a good deal. The 3 prospects are likely to make mlb players (CW also got a good deal) but they were all expendable for SD because of others still in system so in the end I think AJ improved the mlb team now without really taking a hit to the future success from the farm.
The model definitely knocked Cease for having a down year. If he bounces back to a solid 2-3 then this deal is a bargain for the Padres. I think the price for Cease generally reflected the upside potential and ricks associated with Cease
I go along with that. If he gives 2 performance for 2 years I’ll bless this trade all day regardless of how the prospects turn out because Padres needed the 2-3 guy now and those prospects were expendable (even though good).
And if 2024 is a repeat of 2024 or Cease gets injured Preller just got hosed for the god knows how manyith time.
I’m betting 2024 will in fact be a repeat of 2024, eventually. But that’s just a hunch
Getz & Hahn getting their Michigan man?
Cease should thrive pitching a significant number of games in SD, LA, & SF, three great pitchers parks.
He may want to develop a blister when his turn comes up in CO & AZ though.
Congrat Pads fans!!!
But padres are broke no money debt credit limit!!!!! The experts in mlbtr comment section said so
WOW!! Never expected the Padres to get Cease.
We’re here to chew bubblegum and makes trades… and we’re all out of bubblegum!
I bet Dillon Head is part of this, local kid who played at Homewood Flossmor in chicago.
I’m glad Head is still a Padre. He reminds me of Vince Coleman.
Cash-man out hustled AGAIN ! Now he’ll overpay for Lorenzen like they did for Stroman. Gutty lil Padres making NL west fun.
I think Getz will sign Lorenzen to eat Cease’s left-behind innings until July 29. Then flip him for another prospect or two.
The Yankees were never in search of Cease. They play this game every year to appear that they were willing to make the big trade or free agent. The front office is a bean counting opperation a far cry from George Steinbrenner desire for another World Championship.
I think the White Sox are going to sign Lorenzen.
web- Kinda funny to think they’re going to pay Lorenzen more to take Cease’s spot.
I don’t think they will. White Sox have been cutting payroll down from $200 million last season to about $120 million now and Lorenzen will cost at least as much as Cease would have.
They will probably stay in house to fill the spot or look to waiver wire as season approaches and guys are getting cut.
Yeah I think other teams read the rumors and it helped ignite legit talks for a trade. Rangers could have used him but oh well not crucial Rangers just gotta stay afloat for the first half.
Even a cease for Snelling straight up is as for Padres. Preller has to lose his job if he gives up too much and they are miss playoffs, right? One of the worst GMs. Always trades for players at their peak only to see them crash and the prospects excel elsewhere
It’s got to be Snelling or Thorpe, and maybe some sort of outfield lottery ticket. I just can’t imagine Getz selling for less with Texas and maybe the Yankees sniffing around, although the rumors were that Getz wanted Spenser Jones from the Yankees as a starting point.
Darvish
Snell
Musgrove
Soto
Hader
Cronenworth
Grisham
Profar
All guys that flourished as Padres after being traded for.
Most of these guys were already good and continued to be good. Snell, Soto, Hader, Darvish, like yeah, obviously. You also need to look at the value traded away and whether the Pads had other options there, whether the acquisitions’ production was likely to carry them into the playoffs, the salary implications, the years control, etc. It’s not as simple as “Juan Soto good” when you’re giving up guys like Abrams (2.1 fWAR as a 22 y/o in 2023) and Wood (#6 overall prospect and 60 FV on Fangraphs, #14 and 60 FV on MLB Pipeline) to get him.
Until prospects actually contribute to an mlb team and have sustained success they mean very little.
Oh number 6 oh number 45 oh number 1045
Means nothing until they actually are an mlb regular.
Very few guys preller has traded have had sustained success an entire career. Only guy I can think of is Trea Turner.
Teams would not be willing to trade elite players for prospects if prospects meant very little.
Preller has been on the job for 10 years so no one he has traded away has *had* an entire career at this point. With that said, in addition to Turner, he also traded Zach Eflin and Luis Castillo. C.J. Abrams had 2.1 fWAR as a 22 y/o in Washington last year. Andres Munoz has 3.2 fWAR over the past two years, averages 99-100 with the fastball, and is closing for Seattle. And then there are some still-rising guys, like James Wood, who is currently one of MLB’s top prospects.
Just FYI, Preller did not “trade” Luis Castillo. He traded FOR Luis Castillo, but MLB rescinded the trade.
Ah, looks like you’re right. I was going off of this page:
mlbtraderumors.com/2020/04/gm-trade-history-padres…
They have it drawn up as two trades instead of the one net trade, which I missed while just scanning the guys traded away.
@Easy as 1 2 3 You forgot Max Fried, Yasmani Grandal, Ty France, Emmanuel Clase and Zach Eflin. Also traded the Braves the CBA pick they used to draft Austin Riley if you wanna count that.
Teams keep prospects cause you’re hopeful they’ll live up to the prospect status. And they’re cheap.
But again.
Prospect rankings do not guarantee mlb success.
Never have never will
Saying OMG you gave away prospects means very little until they actually contribute at the mlb level.
If James Wood becomes Kyle Blanks 2.0 and Robert Hassel becomes Will Venable 2.0 padres didn’t give up much.
Zach Eflin has been a #3 starter who was closer to a #4 in Philly for many years in his career. He only cracked 150 innings once in Philly and last year with the Rays at age 29.
Luis Castillo was never actually a padre. Padres traded for him and sent him back after Colin Rea pitched 3 innings and got hurt. So no Preller didn’t trade Luis Castillo.
See you can’t even name guys he’s traded and regretted.
Cj Abrams is an elite defense league average offense player. Useful but hardly a #6 overall prospect player at this point. #6 you’re expecting an all star hof caliber player. Not what he is currently.
Gore is a #3 starter as well.
So far all Padres have up for Soto was a #3 and a player slightly better than a super utility guy. That can change but until it does that’s reality
People were upset over Luis Urias and Eric Lauer years back. Both flamed out in MIL.
Also 10 years is more than enough time for guys to be at year 6 even 7 at this point. Who’s actually sustained success 6 or 7 years that Preller traded away? Again Trea Turner comes to mind.
@Easy as 1 2 3 You said Trea Turner is the only player Preller has traded who has had sustained success in the majors. That is simply not true. I mentioned Max Fried, Yasmani Grandal, Ty France, Emmanuel Clase, Zach Eflin and Austin Riley*. And then a lot of the others he traded are prospects who haven’t had the chance to succeed or fail in the majors just yet.
By the way, the combination of CJ Abrams and MacKenzie Gore produced about the same WAR as Juan Soto in 2023. So they have already panned out.
Eflin has been a #3-#4 starter
Grandal is a PED user
France has had 2 good seasons didn’t have a good one last year
Clase is a PED user
I’ll give you Fried.
1 out of 5 ain’t bad
Eflin has been a #3-#4 starter his entire career m. I’d hardly call that top 50 prospects in all of baseball worthy career.
Grandal is a PED user
France has had 2 good full seasons didn’t have a good one last year
Clase is a PED user
I’ll give you Fried.
1 out of 5 ain’t bad
That’s cool about the WAR thing. Still all defense and ok bat and #3 starter.
You can’t count Austin Riley cause you don’t know the padres would have drafted him. You’re reaching.
@Easy as 1 2 3
“Eflin has been a #3-#4 starter”
And the Padres would have been better off releasing him than trading him for Matt Kemp. He also had a big breakout this past season but I can’t count that again Preller because he was a FA after 2022.
“Grandal is a PED user”
Who has gone on to post 10,4 WAR and make 2 All Star teams without PED’s since he was traded. And like with Eflin, the Padres would have been better off releasing him than trading him for Kemp.
“France has had 2 good seasons didn’t have a good one last year”
8.5 WAR post trade. 2 years of control left. Padres fans all think that is the worst trade of the entire Preller era (I wouldn’t say that but it was pretty bad).
“Clase is a PED user”
Who has put up 7.1 WAR in the majors and back-to-back 2.8 WAR seasons as a reliever in the 2 seasons immediately after he came back from his suspension.
I’ll give myself all 5.
@Easy as 1 2 3 “That’s cool about the WAR thing. Still all defense and ok bat and #3 starter.”
A run saved = a run scored. They had about the same WAR as Soto in 2023. That is all that matters. Plus you assume they won’t improve.
Lol counting PED users is sad but you do you man. WAR means nothing when you’re a juicer which is why guys that were caught aren’t in the HOF despite WAR saying they should be.
Really reaching by counting known PED users, guys they never drafted, and guys they never traded in this thread
10 years and 2 names that actually mattered- Fried and Turner.
Better luck next time Jim.
Never said they wouldn’t improve
I did say a utility give first player and #3 starter isn’t much to look at if that’s all WAS got.
Yeah yeah Grandal and Clase stopped juicing after they got caught. Totally. Lmao.
Oh no 2 good years from France! sad. Lauer had 2 good years too you know. Surprise you didn’t add him to the list. Wonder why? Probably because you don’t have much of a point looking at just 2 years.
Do better man. The Riley one was the worst. Nice chatting with you but you’re reaching hard.
Here’s a fun list
Jace Peterson
Dustin Peterson
Luis Urias
Eric Lauer (another 2 year wonder)
Hudson Potts
Cal Quantril (another 2 year wonder)
Ty France (2 year wonder so far)
Joe Ross
Jake Bauers
Matt Wisler
Luis Patino
Xavier Edwards
Logan Driscoll
Mason Thompson
Tucupita Marcano
Owen Miller
Gabriel Arias
Estuery Ruiz
Josh Naylor (2 year wonder so far)
Of all the prospects Preller has traded away in 10 years Turner Fried and possibly Bednar are actually ones that mattered.
You can find #3-#4 starters. Eflin being traded mattered very little. He never lived up to his prospect status. Not even close. He’s a poster child for why prospect status matters very little. He’s a good player but hardly the TOR he was suppose to be.
Trading away known PED users means nothing. Their WAR comes with an * and everything they accomplish after the fact means very little. Cause you don’t know if they’re clean or just using a different substance not detectable. Grandal cratering the way he did suggests he continued using.
Suggesting Austin Riley was dumb. Hands down just plain dumb. Going 41 40 guys were picked ahead of him. And no guarantee padres pick him if they kept the pick. That is akin to saying Omg how come you didn’t draft Mike trout?!?!!?! That kind of hindsight is just plain stupid.
@Easy as 1 2 3
“Lol counting PED users is sad but you do you man.”
Not when they play well after they come back from the suspension. You’re really just grasping at straws at this point because you don’t like that I debunked you.
“10 years and 2 names that actually mattered- Fried and Turner.”
I named 5, 6 if you count Riley but I already admitted that that might not be fair. Next on the list you get names like Luis Urias, David Bednar and Cal Quantrill also.
“I did say a utility give first player and #3 starter isn’t much to look at if that’s all WAS got.”
First of all, it’s not all they got. Second of all, it is plenty to look at when they produce as much WAR as Soto and are controlled 4 years longer.
“Yeah yeah Grandal and Clase stopped juicing after they got caught.”
Oh. So you are a troll then? Got it. Why didn’t you just say so in the first place?
“Lauer had 2 good years too you know. Surprise you didn’t add him to the list. Wonder why? Probably because you don’t have much of a point looking at just 2 years.”
Actually it’s because he was only worth 2.1 WAR in the 4 years post-trade.
I had fun. Thanks for playing.
Troll? No
It’s dumb to count known PED users. Their production comes with an *
Also dumb to count guys they never drafted.
Very dumb to count 2 years of production as if they traded something of value.
2-3 players in 10 years ain’t bad.
Still 1/5 for you Jim. 1/6 if you want to count Austin Riley. Those are rookie numbers. Gotta pump them up.
To date: all Nats have to show for superstar Juan Soto is a utility player and a # 3 player. That’s it so far. Could change. Could not change.
Of the players you mentioned, Ty France and Luis Urias have more WAR post-trade than David Bednar. So do Yasmani Grandal, Emmanuel Clase and Zach Eflin. Cal Quantrill is only 0.2 behind Bednar, Josh Naylor’s WAR would be a lot higher if they didn’t make him play the outfield.
Suggesting that everything a guy who served a PED suspension does after the suspension doesn’t count is even more dumb. Especially when I prefaced that Preller never drafted Riley to begin with. You don’t know that Grandal continued using. It was just an easy straw for you to grasp.
You also fail to account for anything these players do in the future. Come the end of the 2030 season, I suspect that CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, James Wood and Jack Suwinski will be ahead of everyone except Turner and Fried on the traded-by-Preller WAR list. Will be interesting to see what happens with Iriarte and Zavala.
Face it bro. You lost. Preller loses 10 trades for every trade he wins.
Still 5/5 😉 6/6 if we count Austin Riley (which I don’t hence me putting an asterisk by his name the first time I mentioned him).
To date what the Nats have to show for Juan Soto is two guys who combined for as much WAR as he did in 2023 while making the league minimum and controlled through 2028. And that’s before James Wood even takes a single major league AB. And Robert Hassell was injured all last year and has had a great spring training so maybe he turns things around?
1/5
1/6 if you include Riley
Trading a #3-#4 starter isn’t a significant loss
PED users carry an * for their WAR
2-3 guys in 10 years is a pretty good record especially compared to all the others he traded away who amounted to very little, including guys with 2 years of production.
When they keep it up for 6-7 years like Fried and Turner have then we can count them as a loss. But it’s dumb and silly to act like guys who produce for 2 years and don’t after once league figures em out were a significant loss.
Also your “Abrams and Gore equal Soto WAR” math is a little off. 1 guy getting 6 WAR + WAR from their replacements > 2 guys getting 6 WAR
Mainly cause you fail to factor in Padres signing Bogaerts to replace Abrams (who out WARd Abrams) and whoever they signed to replace Gore in the rotation.
But again you do you man.
@Easy as 1 2 3 Abrams 185 OPS+ and on pace for 8.5 WAR so far this year. What was that you were saying about him not being an All Star?
I can only wonder how this return will play itself out even in 6 months…be interesting to watch another Preller trade unfold.
LOL. Even if something unravels, it’s unfolding.
Didn’t expect this. I was hoping the Rangers would get a deal done but i guess the ask in the return was too much.
Wonder if any of the pitchers in the Soto trade are included…surely they didn’t include Salas.
For some reason an old B Spears song comes to mind thinking of Preller and this latest trade “Oops, I did it again!”. Will be interesting to see all the moving pieces.
You said B Spears and I thought of Burning Spear. I was trying to guess what song u were thinking… then I saw the “Oops” haha
“Leave Britney alone!”
=)
Love Burning Spear. Old School
What happened to the Padre downer dude ?
Towin dumping sumpin something ?
He was on literally every thread that was even remotely related to the Pads complaining about them. They finally make a move, crickets…
I’m sure he’s celebrating in his own way
I hope he didn’t get so depressed that he threw in the towel. This trade should make his mental health better.
I kept trying to talk him off the cliff, but I’ve had laryngitis recently. D’oh!
I was hoping the Reds would have acquired Cease. Should have offered Marte to get it done.
Well done Padres, fortune favors the bold!
GM’s are cutthroat, man. No action on Cease…then Cole gets injured…reports that Cashman is talking to the Sox…leaked by the Sox most likely…all of a sudden…Rangers sayin’ sup…Pads peaking in…and Preller swoops in all heeeeey, girl, look at MY hot prospects…and the team with the publicly reported need gets shafted.
You see, folks, this is why teams SHOULDN’T be so forthcoming with info right away.
Hah, great summary there zilla
Preller can flip him if they end up out of contention lol
I was thinking the same thing. That said, he makes them better now. My concerns about the starting rotation are much less now… although I wish they had a lefty starter… but I’m not complaining! Really.. nuh-uh… all good man. 😀
They still got smelling somehow ! All the packages the white sox passed up on- to take this one.- solidifies Preller as best gm in baseball in my opinion. And I’m a reds fan
Wow, the padres are serious about finishing in 4th this year.
You mean 2nd….
Kurt Bevaqua, Eric Rasmussen, Bob Owchinko, and Tito Fuentes are headed to the ChiSox…
They’d make the Sox a 80 win team and lead in WAR, unfortunately…
An 80 win team that could win the AL central
Just a friendly reminder from Tommy Boy here about Bevacqua’s hitting prowess… it’s a fun one boys, buckle up and get those earmuffs ready.
youtu.be/fzjWQF1oP2M?si=7ES8HhM8YZwyt4iQ
lol
Cito Gaston, Jose Arcia, Johnny Podres and C. Arnholt Smith.
Al Ferrara and Ed Spezio on tap Johnny Sipin
You can still buy a really nice house from Johnny Sipin if you’d like.
What are ..random names from the telephone book
I’m surprised. Padres seemed like they were in rebuild mode. I guessthey didn’t think they would hold onto Soto, so they just pivoted.
Not in rebuild mode, They just committed to Bogaerts, Darvish, Machado, Tatis, Musgrove, Suarez, Cronenworth longterm. CBT reset is all.
It seemed like their approach was different this offseason, that’s all I was saying.
The approach was to shed payroll while remaining competitive. They achieved that, at least on paper, with this move. Also has a good amount of SP depth.
Ah, of course, they are in “soon-to-be rebuilding mode”, given the pile of albatrosses they have stacked up while they continue to try to build through anything other than their farm.
Little that Preller does makes sense to me. Fangraphs has them pegged for 82 wins… Why is he trading prospects for Cease? Desperation? Or does he feel these guys are secretly bozos and CWS is actually the desperate party here?
In Cease he’s trying to fill the Pads biggest need, maybe it gets them to 86 wins and WC. They still have a top 10 farm intact. I don’t have a problem with any GM trying to compete.
Rebuild mode, more like rebad mode. Amirite?
Well at least Cease won’t go to the Tommy John Yankees.
What did sox get in return?
Some players back. There should be a story on this in tomorrow’s sports section I believe maybe that will say
I really doubt Jackson Merrill is part of the package. Preller is not that dumb, he’s basically the Padres’ CF and he’s been raking in Spring Training.
Acoss, as with most trades the acquiring team’s fans always say “won’t happen without including ‘x’ prospects.” Happens every time and every time, it’s less than what they say. Multiple people saying Cease was going to get far more than Soto did because of control, etc…
But, as far as your personal expectations go, how does this register for you? You happy with this return for Cease?
I’d say the trade is pretty close to what the padres got for Soto. Thorpe for Thorpe, iriarte is basically Vasquez. Brito and higgy vs Zavala and Wilson. Pretty close, maybe the Sox did a little better depending on how you value Grisham. Overall it’s pretty close.
If you consider it close even though all the players arent the same the padres basically traded Soto and Grisham for king and cease, plus saved about 22m in the deal once you balance the money out. I’ll take two years of king and cease plus 22m over 1 year of Soto. Specially if you are cash restricted like the padres are.
Plus, Crease has two years remaining before FA. If he performs, it’s a stroke of brilliance. If not, FIRE Preller! /sarcasm
Clip,
Thorpe was already a nice boon, but seeing Iriarte in the package, who is another good pitching prospect as pointed out by another person, I am satisfied. Two young pitchers is perfect for a team going nowhere. Cease gets to play for a team trying to compete, and quite frankly he’s going to do much better behind a defense that’s so much better than the White Sox. He’s going to be a very nice addition to the Padres so cheers San Diego enjoy him.
Great! Congratulations, man. I think it’s a good return as well. Thorpe is an exciting young pitcher. I hated that he was traded, but it was worth it, imho, because the Yankees desperately needed Soto.
Snell walked a ton, and won a cy young.
I think Zombie meant Soto’s walks? Anyway, this defo seems like a win/win trade… which are the best.
stop calling this mediocre pitcher an ace. he’s far, far from it.
Based on return, we will see if Padres view him as an ace.
somebody was bound to probably over pay a guy with a whip of nearly 1.5. pitchers who walk had the batters he gave it seems tend not to fare well. how many crappy pitchers have we seen put up one excellent season worthy of cy young votes to only revert back to the way they were before and after that year? Look no further than Martin Perez.
I completely agree with your statement, but the Padres managing a pitcher that walks a crap ton of hitters and is still elite, look no further than Blake Snell, but at the same time, it’s one of the reasons he’s unsigned because it made his value hard to gauge
He will be a solid number 3, not expecting him to be an Ace. And to get that for 2 years of control at a cheap price for basically nobody and keep your farm intact is great.
Not that far lol
This looks great on paper, but again hold your horses as AJ preller destroys the team again on his way out the door.
I called this a few months ago but I hate the fact that AJ flips so many of the top prospects…3-4-5 for 1 is a great deal for Chicago but they never seem to work out for San Diego…I like the get but at what cost and being a pitcher he is one pitch away from having something let loose…poof
When have they NOT worked out for the Padres?
Nola, Clevinger, Frazier and Hill/Choi?
Salas is untouchable and Merrill is their Opening Day CF. I would have to expect either Snelling or Thorpe and then a more lottery OF such as Zavala.
White Sox are pretty parochial, probably Head from homewood flossmoor.
Happy for Cease gets to escape the swirling White Sox mess for sunny San Diego; no closer to the playoffs but hey life’s good… hope Getz got at least a couple good pieces. Cashman go back to square one!
ZB
Muted (overly aggressive for no reason.)
Hey I actually got two right!! That’s rare for me.
I didn’t think there would be four guys going back, however.
It’s crazy how AJ Preller still has that job. Like 3 different owners, about 5 separate managers, multiple roster teardowns, etc., yet he’s still there. Amazing.
He’s gotta have pics of somebody doing something naughty. HAS TO.
Those minor league systems. That’s how the man razzles and dazzles his way to staying around.
Really, bringing the system back into the top 10 less than two years after clearing it out to get Soto is super impressive. The likes of the Angels would kill for that.
1 year “making a splash” to please the owners which increased ticket sales 20%, then 1 roster tear down, a 4 year rebuild that the ownership told all the fans would be happening, then right on cue in the playoffs 2 of the last 4 years including the NLCS.
Record revenue. Record ticket sales 2 years in a row.
Got a great team of stars, most games are already sold out for 2024, and he just brought on board a solid #2-#3 starter without giving up any of his top 4 prospects.
If the team totally collapses in 2024 I could see his job being at risk, but with Shildt at the helm I don’t see that happening.
Padres will be in contention for a WC and as we have seen the last few years, once you are in anything can happen.
Actually the Padres sent out a press release on the 12th of this month saying their season tickets just sold out but that there will be single game tickets available for all other games to be released during the season. They’re not in fact sold out for most games.
Single game tickets ALREADY went on sale. You can go try to buy tickets today. Don’t get your hopes up for any good seats. They are in fact sold out for more than half of the home games this season. 3.4 million tickets sold to date, a record for Petco, and the home opener is 2 weeks away.
Where’s Towinagain? This has to make him happy. Been a rough offseason for him thinking the Padres weren’t even trying and then BAM his team gets Cease!
Congratulations Padres fans, I hope Cease regains his pre 2023 form.
He gets to work with Niebla and in an organization run by Shildt. That is a huge step up from what he was used to on the South Side,
“Abrams 88 OPS+ for Nats. He can field, but not hit.”
LOL!
Am i missing something here? They don’t have the offense anymore that they had, plus lost a lot of pitching talent. Why waste your prospects for Cease who probably won’t even resign with yo?
Because the prospects they’re giving up for him aren’t hitting prospects.
Because right now the Vegas over/under on them is 81-82. Last year 84 made the final two playoff spots, and the DBacks went on a roll from there.
Can Cease bump them up to an 85 win team? If so, then Preller probably keeps his job. And if not, they can trade him at the deadline and recoup most of their outlay.
People think just because the Padres had a bad season based on expectations that they are a bad team. There is still a lot of talent there, enough to be in the playoff hunt.
I said before, my unpopular picks are San Diego and/or the Mets to make the playoffs, Yankees not making the playoffs. People are sleeping on talent.
Check what the return was for Soto. Michael King is a SP.
Cease has two years of control left (’24 and ’25). A bit soon to worry about re-signability.
You are missing a huge amount.
Padres lost Soto and Grisham.
Gained Merrill, Pauley, Profar and a bulked up Azocar
Get healthy Machado, Bogaerts, and Cronenworth plus a full year of Campusano.
Padres offense is just fine.
Now the rotation is Darvish, Musgrove, Cease, King and 4 guys fighting to win the #5 slot. That is strong.
Web- totally agree.
Losing Soto hurts but if Merrill can hold his own he should be an upgrade offensively over Grisham. Grisham his last 1000 at bats was a below .200 hitter.
Profar isn’t sexy in left but the team has played a lot better when he is on it. He he bottom line is tatis, Xander and manny have to be good.
Campy and cronenworth need to be steady and Merrill needs to be above avg. if that happens and it can easily happen the padres offense can be better than a year ago.
Plus I’d argue their depth is better this year than last. In both pitching and offense is wise.
Pitching depth at top / middle is definitely better than projected at stert of 23. Of course, Wacha, Lugo, Snell all over performed during the course of the year. Will Cease, King and Brito?
Need Cro to rebound as well. I think Campy adds offense they wasnt there at start of 23 behind the plate.
Profar left the game with a foot/ankle injury today. Don’t know how serious but it didn’t look good.
Maybe the biggest addition to the offense in 24 is to come from Tatis and Machado. Especially Tatis, who is more likely to return to his career numbers and we all know what that means. But yes, offensive upgrades at CF and C could offset loss of Mr OBP. Still, I hope they add a DH/1B/LF bat with some slug….like Duvall or Belt. Hell LFGSD!
From Padres website
“After the game, manager Mike Shildt said Profar’s injury was a “mild sprain” and that he would make the trip with the team to Korea. Beyond that, Shildt said he wouldn’t speculate, but noted team doctors were hopeful Profar would be “just fine.””
Jesus welcome pack to the show in 2026 white Sock fans!!!! I haven’t had a look at the trade but I’d imagine the padres have just emptied any top leave tank they had left. Terrible move for the padres. Cease is a poor man’s opening day starter
Not even close
Didn’t even touch the Padres top 4 prospects and Cease will be the Padres #3 starter.
I’d argue they didn’t touch the top 5 prospects considering Vries would pass Thorpe soon.
It would seem the bottom half of Padres’ top 10 might be top 5 on other teams. Preller might be lacking some on overall roster control (though his depth looks a lil better this year if his kids pan out)… but his detractors keep failing to realize how he & his crew know how to replenish the farm quickly (they’ve done it multiple times now.) That is not so easily done by any GM.
Yeah it’s crazy how preller can restock a farm so quickly. Between drafts, trades and international guys he has his hands in all avenues. Keeps one here and there and trades the rest.
Exactly…and those types don’t just grow on trees.
When De Vries got into the game yesterday, it was a historic moment. 1st time any team had a 17-year-old play in a Cactus League game 2 years in a row.
Yeah I’m not as unhappy as I thought I’d be!
The White Sox need volume. Thorpe becomes the leading prospect for the 2025 rotation, Iriarte eventually becomes a bullpen velocity guy, Wilson can get used this year and maybe flipped, and the OF is a lottery ticket.
Thorpe is one of the guys going to Chicago.
disappointing if thats the headlining piece.
guessing the yankees best offer was a chopped cheese from a bodega in Newark.
And there it is! Frigging FINALLY!
Adding Cease really helps the Pads, they needed another big SP soooo badly, and it kept him away from the Yankees and Rangers, which is good for my Orioles. Here’s hoping the ChiSox got a nice haul for him.
And thank God the “Cease to Baltimore” subject can finally be put to bed lol.
So far Thorpe is in the package so I’m happy. Preller may have outbid Cashman on this one.
I think you’re going to like Iriarte Across, maybe more upside than Thorpe
I really wanted Thorpe, so was happy then. Going to have to keep my eye Iriarte now. I am quite happy with this to be honest!
Ok cool just a couple nobody’s
If Thorpe was headline name, we lost this trade.
Iriarte and Zavala are top 5 prospects on 80% of teams
Very excited to see Cease work with Niebla. I’m guessing one from Thorpe/Lesko/Iriarte/Snelling and Mazur anchor the return.
6:56pm: Drew Thorpe and Jairo Iriarte
Who are these guys?
Thorpe came from the Yankees in the Soto trade, he was a big piece. Not sure of Iriarte but getting Thorpe is a nice boon for the White Sox.
#5 and #8 prospects according to MLB.com ratings. Both starting pitchers. Thorpe is probably in the minors for another year, and Iriarte probably gets fast tracked to Chicago by June.
Very nice thank you for the information Brick House Coffee Tables!
Iriarte’s control has greatly improved and fastball has increased in velo by 2 mph in past year, can hit 99, and he’s still developing.
I didn’t Getz would get much pitching back, but we got two promising pitchers, that just made my day haha! Appreciate the information on him Brew’88!
I’ll definitely be following the Wsoxnext few years hoping these guys succeed!
We hope.
Big over pay.
Just in – Yankees offering Soto for Cease.
Details at 11.
Thope and Iriarte to the Sox
With Thorpe and Iriarte, the price is already steep. Thorpe we just acquired from the Yankees. Hope we aren’t giving up much more.
Maybe Zavala or Valenzuela or back of top 30 and this isn’t as bad as I feared.
A fair top 4 spots in rotation for 2 years? We still have Snelling and Lesko and probably Britto and Vazquez and Mazur for future. Not a bad rotation for next few years.
Yu could be the 5 next year!
No offense to Thorpe, but I’d hoped the Sox would do better than him as the headliner.
Getting Zavala helps my opinion of this deal.
you’re getting quite a haul, as a Pads fan I think AJ overpaid, again. But they had to bring in another proven SP for this year to legitimately compete, given all the commitments to stars on the team. Sox did well.
I know Salas and Merrill weren’t happening. I was hoping for one of Lesko/Snelling. But you’re right, a package headlined by Thorpe and Zavala isn’t bad. Not enamored with Iriarte. Sox don’t need yet another live arm who can’t find the plate, but the first two pieces are enough for me.
Not sure it was an overpay as much as a pretty solid deal for both sides…when you consider what the financial prices for this offseasons’ pitchers have come out to.
You knew the top guys were going to get top pay…and you still have two guys who are trying to figure out what team they will have to orient to because they’ve basically lost the majority of their spring training because their $$$ hasn’t aligned
Even the more average pitchers even made out pretty well with $$$ this offseason…so prospect capital proved pretty valuable for this deal to go down for a very solid pitcher.
Preller and his crew have always been willing to trade theirs…because he has the backing of his brass to build it back up quickly again.
Iriarte is young and has progressed significantly with control. You could probably argue at this point that his control is better than Cease’s. He has the most upside in the haul.
“You could probably argue at this point that his control is better than Cease’s.” Not a very high bar to clear, that one. He might have the most upside, but I also see the highest bust potential. Guys like Cease and Snell who can walk that many batters and still be effective aren’t as common as guys who walk that many batters and are mop-up men in the pen or #5 starters.
Sure. But he’s sure been getting guys out lately with electric stuff. I didn’t say he was a guarantee, but a lot of upside as rated by those evaluators who know pitching better than we do.
White Sox to Yankees:
We want Dominguez, Spencer Jones, Peraza, Volpe, Cashman’s kidney, $20 million and Austin Wells
White Sox to Padres:
We want your 5th, 9th, 19th and 28th best prospects please!
One top 100 prospect and a second 100 prospect feels like not enough, but we’ll see what else comes – it’s pretty normal for news to dribble out some in trades like this.
Not enough for a guy with one good season on his resume?
Way less than what they wanted from the reds iirc
I’d bet Thorpe > Cease by the end of the season.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised.
Thorpe has an amazing floor and will probably pitch forever, but he’s not gonna have the upside of Cease.
Outside of 2022 when has said ceiling manifested?
2021-2023, when he averaged ~175 IP/3.6 ERA.
Thorpe is a solid pitcher and will probably have a long ML career, but I don’t see him better than Cease in 2024-2025.
You are almost there. Isn’t that the point of a trade? A team that wants short term value versus another that’s looking for long term?
Iriarte might be in rotation this year before Thorpe
I don’t see it, Thorpe is just so polished. But Iriarte is not far behind.
Thorpe ceiling – Mid to a back of the rotation starter. A #4 or #5
Scouting Grades
Fastball: 50 | Slider: 55 | Changeup: 70 | Control: 60 | Overall: 55
Cease ceiling – 2022 stats in MLB 2.20 ERA with 227 SO in 184 IP
Scouting grades:
Fastball: 70 | Curveball: 65 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 45 | Overall: 55
Thorpe went to a team with one of the worst defenses behind him.
Cease went to one of the best defensive teams.
Thorpe sits 89-92 and relies on a changeup as his out pitch.
Cease’ sits 96 and his out pitch is now a slider. He ranked in the top 6 in swing and misses last season and #1 in whiffs over the last 3 seasons.
Iriarte is the second player going to Chicago.
White Sox theme song for this year? Wake Me Up When September Ends
Well there sure aren’t celebrating a Holiday this year on the south side.
Before the trade it was Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go.
The Padres should now flip him to the Yankees or Orioles. The Padres are going to need all the low cost talent as they can get.
Has that been done before?
They could flip him back to the White Sox for all the low cost talent they just gave up.
I don’t know these prospects, but I feel like Chicago didn’t get what they wanted. I don’t understand the rush to do it now.
Thorpe & jairo gonna be real good real soon
San diego got bamboozled!
Drew Thorpe, Jairo Iriarte and possibly a 3rd player are headed to the White Sox.
What happened to this big ask that Getz was insisting on?
They got quite a bit back soo far…Thorpe, Iriarte, Wilson, Zavala. Zavala was a top 100 guy last year. Just missed this year. Iriarte was a just miss top 100 guy as well. Wilson is a good pen arm. Thorpe is a top 100 guy. Plus all these guys could see the majors this year, except maybe Zavala.
Yep Simm, seems like a solid deal.
It just goes to show you what two years of control, a reasonable salary, durability and upside nets you on a market where pitching is prized.
Thorpe – nice get! So basically Dylan Cease was a part of the Juan Soto return.
Three of their top 10 prospects and one of their best relievers. Steep. Getting to overpay territory.
If that’s all I say both teams did pretty well. Padres have a good system 3 of their top 10 is pretty good and Padres didn’t give up any of their big prospects. If this is the deal I like it for both teams.
They say the fairest deal in a legal settlement is when both sides feel put upon.
There are fans of both teams in this comment section saying their team got screwed, so maybe this is just a good trade.
Shocking trade. Wowsers. What are the Padres doing???
Trying to win now can get pricy. Did Getz get his haul? I think so.
Thorpe has a cooler last name than Cease.
That is a very important metric to use when judging trades.
So Thorpe, Iriarte, Wilson and Zavala going back to the south side as i can’t imagine any other players involved. Not the farm busting deal i think we all expected but Thorpe could slot into the White Sox rotation and Wilson into the bullpen right away. Now if Preller were to add another bat this team may not be so bad
Zavala’s in this too? Hate this deal for the Padres.
Horrible deal for Sox. Where is the second top 100 prospect? I would’ve gone a different direction. WEE GOT GETZ’D….again. Like our starting SS/2B/C..
Thorpe and Iriarte are t100 in various lists… Zavala is close also
Zavala was a top 100 last year and Iriarte is basically a top 100 guy. Fangraphs has him ahead of most padres prospects
Seems about right. This return tells you generally how the teams making offers over the past few days value Dylan Cease. 2 years of Cease simply isn’t going to command elite prospects. The White Sox version of Cease isn’t elite or a #1. I suspect every team was offering quantity for Cease vs. elite quality.
As a Sox fan, I am fine with this. Cease provided way more value over the years than I anticipated when the Sox got him in the Quintana package. To me, the Quintana trade keeps paying out.
So the most starts in the AL last four years isn’t worth elite. His 2022 season wins the cy young 90% of the years. Arguably the best rotation on slider in baseball isn’t elite. When he dominates and is the cy discussion again next year and these A+ level prospects flame out in AA like most do this will look great for the white Sox.
Yep. Holes in the OF and looking at Wade as your opening day 3B.
Horrible, horrible deal for the Padres!!! PRELLER IS AN IDIOT
There’s not one thing I like about this trade for the Sox
FWiW is this is the full deal trade sim has it about even value going each way
Great deal for the Chisox. Why would the Padres trade Thorpe for 2 years of Cease? Curious.
Thorpe has a low ceiling. Fastball is around 88-92. Has a great changeup. Most have him as a back of the rotation starter. Itiarte actually has a much higher ceiling than Thorpe.
Thorpe was a back of the rotation guy. I like him a lot but you gotta give to get.
Too much for Cease.
Seems like the Padres got a decent return for Soto but we’ll see who else is included in the Trade. They got a possible #3 pitcher (King) now pushed back to #4 .. Brito has some talent and could be a middle of the rotation guy …now pushed back to #5. Vasquez could’ve possibly been the # 5 guy but now he’s pushed to the bullpen until injuries happen (every rotation goes through injuries). And another player Kyle Higashioka a good back up catcher with some pop that can play defense. More time coming thru as I’m typing. Wilson was a good bullpen arm the Vasquez can replace. Samuel Zavala might be a name we end remebering. Kinda feels like A.J. is placing chess at this point
weak return for the sox
Cease for Thorpe, Iriarte, Zav, Steve Wilson. White Sox did well. Between Thorpe and Iriarte, the later has perhaps the most upside. Pads basically acquired a poor man’s Snell (Cease having a similar high K/high W style and pitch repertoire – but not the out-pitch that Snell possesses). I’m not thrilled by the trade, but the Pads needed to add another proven SP this year so they can legitimately compete. And they didn’t part with Snelling or Lesko, so the rotation in 2025 and beyond still looks promising.
We kept snelling, Lesko, head, Salas, and devries – Thorpe hurts a little but you gotta give to get. I’m very happy with this trade. Let’s see what Cease can put together at petco.
As I’ve been saying for weeks now, the Pads wonlt likely add an OF, they needed a SP more. And here we have it. But the cost was steep, sure. With the commitments (contracts) to stars on this team, they had to have more SPing. Some will say this was AJP saving his job, but I don’t think so, they’re just trying to fulfill Seidler’s promise to be competitive every year. Snelling and Lesko will add to rotation in 2025 and beyond, I hope.
Yep, this trade stings a bit for the Padres. Evidently, I didn’t appreciate Cease’s value to the club. Preller gave up some pitching depth, a move that may return to bite him if (when) we lose some pitching. I suppose this means that Preller feels pretty good about some of the prospects being able to come up and fill in, in a pinch.
Not sure about Cease, but I’m certain that Niebla can help him with whatever issues set him sideways last year.
I wouldn’t have made that trade, but I’ve probably had reservations on most of Preller’s trades, including the successful ones (i.e. I’ve been 100% correct opposing all the unsuccessful ones, lol).
But looking at it this way, before the SOTO trade they had two starting pitchers. Now they have 4-5, along with some some depth. I don’t know Zav (other than occasional, positive articles), but Wilson’s been solid, and Iriarte and Thorpe looked MLB ready and solid, too. (But then again, every pitcher looks solid on a good day, and they’ve had good springs).
I think Sox fans will be pretty happy. Good luck with your season, White Sox fans!
Cease is near the top in that regard.
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So it seems that the fans of both the Padres and White Sox are unhappy with this trade, judging by the comments here. I guess that means that it was a fair trade.
I’m happy with it as a padres fan.
I don’t mind it as a White Sox but I would had like to get Homer Bush Jr as well. He seems like a fun player from what I seen. Plus I like his dad as a player.
The trade value models also agree that this is a fair trade.
Yes, the more I’ve looked into this trade from a White Sox fan perspective the more I liked it. Don’t get me wrong I love Cease being on Sox but also hope he wins Cy Young in S.D. This means Sox definitely in rebuild mode but teams shouldn’t lay down to this team. The top half of lineup is pretty damn good hitting wise. Starters now have to prove themselves & id guess 3 will do so. Good move Sox for what looks like a rebuild
For Samuel Zavala, Steven Wilson, Drew Thorpe, and Jairo Iriarte.
What do we know about these guys?
Zavala his a center fielder. Runs fast, has some pop but k’s a little too much. He is young and could become very good or a bust.
Thorpe will be an mlb pitcher. Low floor low ceiling guy. Should slot in the 3-5 range in a good rotation. Prob makes the majors this year.
Iriarte is a high ceiling low floor guy. Has nasty stuff but control is the question mark. He could be an ace or a pen arm depending how he does with his control. Prob makes the majors this year as well.
Wilson is a good reliever.
Overall it’s a good return with some ready or near ready mlb guys. There is enough high ceilings in this trade it could pan out well for the white Sox. Like any trade for prospects it could be crap as well.
It’s essentially 3 top 100 guys and a solid reliever. I expect all except for Zavala to be contributing by the ASG. As a Padres fan, hate this trade..but understand why AJ did it. Thorpe and Iriarte looked great this spring.
Simm summarized it well. Zavala if he makes it, compares to perhaps a Margot? Fast, but low SBs, nice contact hitter but too many Ks. He’s improving with the bat though and might grow into some power.
Iriarte is the potental prize here. His control has improved, and so has velo on fastball (which could be elite). I agree he mighe best be suited for pen, but he fought against that notion with Pads. Will be interesting to see what the WS do with him.
Wilson is a tried and true 6-7 inning guy. Very consistent, Solid MLB RP.
Thorpe was overhyped a bit but looks like a good backend starter, maybe a Lauer type guy, or better
Good return for Sox. Thorpe is about as high-ceiling as you can find in a pitching prospect. Iriarte is a bit riskier, but worst comes to worst he can be a bullpen weapon. Wilson is a solid MIRP with upside and control. Zavala toolsy and far away, but still very young.
Oops, meant to say high-floor* for Thorpe.
Yep and a high floor guy living at 90 mph to lead this trade sucks. Thats the real problem here they didn’t get a headline player back.
Thorpe isn’t sexy but he’s extremely competent. I think Sox did well getting 2 SP prospects with opposite risk profiles who are close to the majors.
Thrope will be a serviceable major starter sooner than later. Iriarte and Zavala are above-average depth and Steven Wilson is a solid bullpen arm. Not too bad of a haul for the ChiSox or pickup for the Friars. You gotta give to get and both sides did just that.
I like this deal for the padres. They had to get another proven starter. They needed a guy who could give them innings and perhaps cease does so at a high level we shall see.
Mustgrove, darvish, cease, king and one of Brito/waldron/vasquez gives the padres a solid rotation with some depth.
Padres didn’t trade any of their top top prospects. They traded from a position of depth. They still have snelling, Lesko and Mazur as very good pitching prospects.
They have Merrill in center now plus head, bush and marsee as quality center field prospects still.
Wilson could have been apart of the pen but the padres had a roster crunch on pen arms. So he was expendable.
So the white sox got a quantity with some quality this trade over getting an elite prospect.
Who’s Mustgrove?
This post sounds like a 5th grader trying to make the local Spelling Bee competition. I’m sure 99.99999999% of readers knew who it was
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Your comment reads like a 5th grader trying to make the local math bee.
I’m sure most readers don’t think there are a trillion readers of MLBTR
Interesting take on that on Twitter. Said Estrada who is 25 just took the 6th inning that Wilson who is 29 would have thrown, and Wilson is arb eligible in 2025 where Estrada won’t be until 2027.
Same type of reliever for less long-term dollars.
Suarez, Matsui, Peralta, Go, and Cosgrove were ahead of Wilson in the pen so as you said, he was expendable.
Plus santos was always going to be in the pen. Add in Estrada and I think Kolek will have a chance to make the team. That’s 8, but you also have whoever isn’t the 5th starter in the mix. That before you even think of morejon or patino making the club.
Can you throw in Homer Bush Jr as well?
Preller shouldn’t be GM. Last chance when they fail to make playoffs or ousted in wild card game he is done.
Uhh .. @fba0017 …
Are you trying to make news here? Was that some kinda new flash related to this trade? I guess Preller’s “last chance” came with an extension. Fortunately for him, you (and the cadre of fellow Preller haters), aren’t team owners.
Cease is good but overrated based on his resume. Then again prospects often times are nothing.
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Good grief the the ChiSox get a ton for Cease. He basically has had one good year, one slighly above average year, and three ‘meh’ years. It’s amazing the hype around him.
3.83 ERA (3.86 FIP so it’s not fluky) with a 1.305 WHIP.
The Padres are really hoping he can repeat his one standout season, because they otherwise are giving up a ton. That being said, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and prospects don’t pan out most of the time. Just seems like they are giving up three really solid prospects. I think the White Sox are very happy with this haul.
Lol, in today’s nutty pitching market, one good plus on “meh” year as a pitcher, makes him a $25M to $30M per year “stud”! It don’t take much ….
I don’t know anything about the Padres prospects, but I’d imagine having 3 players with 10+ years left on their contracts blocking 3 positions.
Post COVID, Cease has a 3.54 ERA which ranks 34th and a 3.40 FIP which ranks 21st.
He goes from the team with the 29th ranked defense to the team with the 5th ranked defense.
He ranked 6th in whiff rate last year
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highest whiff rate, 2023 (qualified SP):
Spencer Strider: 38.6%
Blake Snell: 37.3%
Freddy Peralta: 33.6%
Charlie Morton: 32.2%
Jesús Luzardo: 31.4%
Dylan Cease: 31.0%
Over the past 3 years he ranks number 1 in swing and misses
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most swings & misses, since start of 2021:
Dylan Cease: 1,437
Gerrit Cole: 1,426
Corbin Burnes: 1,407
I think both teams are happy with the result and that is what makes a good trade. They are SUPPOSED to help both teams.
I agree with soul surfer. The biggest thing is getting a solid defense behind him and run support. 2 things that didn’t always come at the same time for him in Chicago.
Padres fans will soon realize Cease is bona-fide stud especially with thecbetter defense in play. Sox were just pure horrible on defense last year
Seems like a fair trade. Thorpe is a nice headliner who can be a legit starter that doesn’t max effort throw.
Iriarte sounds a lot like Reynaldo Lopez reading his profile. Likely bullpen piece that Bannister can get to work on improving command before ditching outside shot at starter role.
Ozzie Guillen clearly pushed for 2 Venezuelan prospects with the addition of youngster Zavala!!
Good luck SD…..Cease is a very likeable chill pro that hopefully can be the difference in grabbing a WC spot.
*hat tip*
And nice comp w/Iriarte = Reynaldo. Ideally Iriarte becomes a nice SP, but your comp rang a bell.
Chill pro yeah!
Well, this is why you don’t focus so much on making sure you cover only the parts about the big market teams in the northeaster U.S. having interest in a player because then it looks funny when that player ends up with a team that you looked at later.
And to close, poor Mike Axisa! His Yankees didn’t get this guy.
Oh wait…am I going to be banned again for saying this?
So Getz doesn’t get any of padres top-3 prospects; figures. White Sox fans have to settle for volume instead of quality
That is the frustrating part for Yankees fans. The Yankees didn’t want to trade Spencer Jones, but probably offered a comparable package. Chicago then turns around and takes the same/equal package from another team that also doesn’t include that team’s top prospects. Whatever! I’m glad Cashman didn’t trade the future for Cease. Not worth it.
I have not seen any solid facts on what the NYY and other teams offered for Cease.
This is a recurring issue with the Yankees and other teams.
They claim they made a “competitive offers”?!
Please disclose exactly what the Yankees, Rangers, Giants etc offered for Cease so everyone can see, analyze it and compare the deals.
Otherwise, we must assume that the Yankees have, again, OVERVALUED THEIR PROSPECTS AND UNDERVALUED THE MARKET FOR THE PLAYER(S) THAT WERE TRADED.
The Yankees aren’t the ones that value/overvalue their prospects. The Yankees prospects, just like every team’s prospects, are evaluated and graded by outside actors using advanced metrics. This isn’t the 1980s. Prospects are not sold to other teams by a Yankees hype man. Typing in all caps doesn’t change that. For me, it isn’t what the Yankees offered as much as who they refused to include. Spencer Jones is the truth and Cease is a number three in the Yankees rotation. I hope they are happy with the return they got. They may have missed an opportunity to get some quality players from New York because they wouldn’t move off of Spencer Jones. That is it.
Unless you had insider knowledge and know exactly what the Yankees offered you can’t say the White Sox should have traded Cease to the Yankees.
Not saying that Sox should have traded Cease to the Yankees. I’m saying they could have gotten some potentially excellent MLB ready prospects from New York if they weren’t singularly focused on Spencer Jones. The Sox and Brewers insisting on him and the Yankees refusing to include him should tell you a lot about what people think of Jones, but the Yankees have a deep farm system and the Sox maybe missed an opportunity. That is all I’m saying.
He got the best deal the market offered. I’m sure he asked about ALL Padres prospects, but Salas will never be available, Jackson Merrill is busy playing CF for the Pads, and Snelling will be in the rotation before the end of the year. They weren’t available, so you want Getz to sit pat, keep Cease until he’s a FA when the Sox are again competitive?
Uhh .. ok, but you’re a tough fan to please. He got #5, #7, #8, and an
experienced MLB (late innings) reliever, for a pitcher who had a down year in 2023, but Getz stinks?
I guess time will tell if this was the “best deal the market offered”.or not, based on how the known prospects that the Yankees offered for Cease and the return that they ended up with. I have no criticism of Getz other than he refused to entertain a deal with the Yankees that didn’t include Spencer Jones and may have missed an opportunity to get a few major league ready pieces from New York.
Yeah, but until a “deal” is actually done, everything is speculation. No one really knows what the Yankees woulda/shoulda/coulda offered to the Sox for Cease. The “market’ is that which was actually done.
Only time will tell. Making assumptions now is not even worth the proverbial BS answer
And based on Preller’s and Padres Scouts skills at evaluating, drafting and signing international free agents
The Padres #5, #7 and #8 prospects would be rated
much higher on other teams prospect lists.
The Padres just, consistently, have a very deep farm system.
I guess there are different ways to measure and rank a team’s farm system. Keith Law recently published his farm system rankings in the Athletic from 1-30. The Yankees are ranked 7th and the Padres are ranked 18th. In a poll of major league executives that were asked which team handles the international market the best, the Yankees were ranked number 1 and the Padres 3rd. Baseball Trade Values rates a one-for-one trade of Dylan cease and Jasson Dominguez as equal. Not that he was ever offered, but the point is the Yankees farm system has one player that is equal trade value for Cease, let alone four or five. I hope everyone is happy with the trade. I think the Sox missed an opportunity. I would rather have Spencer Jones than Cease, so I’m not mad. I’m suggesting that Sox fans might have a reason to be a little mad.
By your own admission you don’t know that Dominguez was ever offered.
I’m sure he was not. If he was, Cease would be in New York 100%. We also know that Spencer Jones was not offered. I’m also sure that none of the prospects acquired for Cease were as good as Dominguez or Jones.
@larkraxm Were Dominguez or Jones offered? No? Then it does not matter if the dudes the Padres gave up are better or not.
Of course, they weren’t offered. That is what I am saying, and have said ten times already. If they had been, Cease would be in NY. What matters is if the Yankee’s prospect package not named Jones or Dominguez turns out to be more productive MLB players than the ones obtained from SD. Only time will tell, and only matters to the Sox and their fans. I guess I’m not articulating my point as well as I could have. The accusation is that the Yankees over value their own prospects, but the Sox actually may have overvalued one OF when they could have cleaned the Yankees out if they had moved off of him. I think Jones is good too, but the Yankees also have a deep system.
Reminds me of the Reds Chapman trade where they ended up with nothing that helped in the major league level in the end, to be honest.
I don’t get it. They trade away Soto. They let Hader go. Then they trade for Cease. Are they rebuilding or are they acquiring front line starters and going for the pennant? At least the Yankee$ didn’t get Cease. Let’s hope they miss out on Snell and settle for an overrated Montgomery and he and the team chug along to a .500 record and no playoffs.
They had to trade Soto because of money. They have basically traded Soto for the equivalent of king and cease plus saves over 22m.
It’s a balancing act they had to do with their current financial situation.
that’s just a way to rationalize it. it would also be fair to consider the cost it required to get one and half seasons of soto.
They let Hader go? He was a FA. And the trade they made to get him was a big win. Move on.
They traded away Soto after he turned down a half billion extension to get starting pitching, a backup catcher that is great behind the plate, and to save money.
They let Hader go because he was not a team player. Refused to pitch a 4th out, in any inning except the 9th, or on 3 days in a row.
The Padres stated goal has always been to compete for a playoff berth in 2024 and Cease helps them do that. His low salary also helps them stay under the CBT threshold in 2024, so that they have the international FA money to go after Roki Sasaki next offseason and have a shot at extending Kim.
A 24-25 y/o Boras client on a HOF trajectory refusing to sign an extension isn’t exactly surprising.
When it’s for 15 years and more than a half billion dollars it is to me. i am glad he did because the Padres are in a better position to win long term today, but it still was surprising to me that he said in essence “nope, not even going to consider it”.
Evidently he thinks he can beat $500m. We’ll see if that ends up backfiring.
Soto didn’t look like a 500M player in San Diego.
It took Soto the 2nd half of 1 season and the 1st half of the next season to start hitting in SD.
And, Soto’s D is below average.
The Padres have to be the most directionless team in all of baseball. No plan whatsoever.
Preller does. He plans on keeping his well-paid job for as long as he can. It seems to have worked…no matter how many gaffes he’s done over his tenure.
You can only dream that the Marlins had a great leader like Preller.
You must be Preller himself because nobody outside of Preller would wish his presence upon any other front office
LOL
@Chemo850
You’re just jealous of the “Rock Star GM”.
Padres fans have fun. It’s like being on a roller-coaster ride. Up, down, up, down, maybe up, maybe down …
… ya never know what’s coming next. Hey, we might even win for a change! Not like we have an uphill battle with the guys north of us dropping a $Billion like peanuts, any day of the week, when their pitching prospects come up bust (and/or injured). Being a Padres fan ain’t boring, that’s for sure (.. ah… until late in the season, when it’s usually boring for maybe 20 or 25 MLB teams).
AJP is awesome
Did we acquire another shortstop or something? How can someone say no direction after trading from a deep core of prospects for a potential TOR arm? Obviously you’re trolling because no one is that dumb nm
AC
They say stuff like that because nuance is completely beyond them.
Every team/player/coach/person is either awesome or sucks.
They can’t comprehend that a team can be good but not great and can still try and get a little bit better.
Trade one good player away and trade for another one? That’s beyond them.
Maybe if they thought of it as trading Soto for Cease and then a swap of minor leaguers they could handle that?
I think you might be the dumb one my friend. For at least seven years, I’ve listened to annoying Padres fans on here claiming this team is great. Every year they blow. Now this team spends an entire off season doing absolutely nothing and essentially waving a white flag, and then proceed to trade for a guy they have no use for on their way to 70 wins. People like you are why Preller still has a job. You share the same misunderstood fascination with Preller as this ownership group. Poor souls.
RE Chemo
“They say stuff like that because nuance is completely beyond them.
Every team/player/coach/person is either awesome or sucks.”
Exhibit A:
“I’ve listened to annoying Padres fans on here claiming this team is great. Every year they blow. “
Show me on this doll where Preller hurt you
Mums? Sorry mate I don’t speak pikey.
Do you like dags?
AC and Chemo
Muted (just…imagine thinking any of that was good to post)
@filihok Were they talking to you?
I’m not sure how I’ll sleep tonight
I think brewers got more value for one year of burnes….idk!
Js
“I think brewers got more value for one year of burnes….idk!’
Two reasons that you might think that
1) Burnes is a better pitcher than Cease. He’s more valuable. BTV had his trade value at $33 million for 1 season. Cease was at $42 for 2 seasons
2) You like the players the Orioles got better than who the White Sox got. Maybe you actually know about minor league players and simply think they are better. Knowledgeable people can have differing opinions.
It is the Yankee tax. I am sure what they offered was just as good.
Ws got hosed
Yes indeedy
Someone who knows these prospects how was this deal?
I don’t know these prospects, but I know one thing about all prospects. Prospects are all suspects until they prove they can play at the MLB level.
Of course the vast majority of MLB stars were once great prospects. But don’t let facts get in your way.
And the vast majority of MLB prospects ended up not living up to the hype.
You got your Venn diagram labeling opposite from what it should be.
It was good for both teams.
Padres get a middle of the rotation starting pitcher with 2 years of team control and a low salary who has a 3.54 ERA and 3.40 FIP in 97 starts over the last 3 seasons and goes from the 29th ranked defense to the 5th ranked defense. That ERA should improve with the Padres.
The White Sox get:
A top 100 prospect who is a high floor (#5 starter), low ceiling, close to MLB ready starting pitcher in Thorpe.
A high ceiling starter in Iriarte whose floor is late inning reliever.
A high ceiling OF in Zavala who was a top 100 prospect in 2023 and just missed this year.
Plus a very solid MLB middle reliever.
Neither team can really complain, but fans still will.
Very strange on many ends here. White Sox seemingly didn’t get a lot for him, maybe because they were asking too much to begin with and teams saw right through it. Also seems odd from San Diego’s perspective as even though they can keep some top prospects, I didn’t think they thought of themselves as big contenders this year. Looked like a retool, quiet offseason, still holes on the team, but they got a very good pitcher at a good price in prospects and salary so tough to turn down I suppose?
The Pads are contending- irrespective of the CBT ducking.
Contending for what exactly? Because I personally don’t think they even have a shot at a wild card. This guy is a significant downgrade over what Snell was for them last year and they stunk
k
Any team with Machado, Tatis, and Xander however you spell his last name is contending.
They’re much better than they were last year, and it’s not even close
3rd place confirmed.
Could be good enough for WC3!
WC3 was in the WS last season.
And the season before that
Good for Preller spending that prospect capital and filling a need. Other teams will regret hoarding their prospects, most of whom will end up as future AAAA players, bullpen arms and bench players. Lesko and Snelling will be top of that rotation one day soon so Thorpe and Iriarte were expendable. Too bad he didn’t pick up Luis Robert for the OF too and really shake thinks up 😉 Would it really have surprised anyone if he did? Good trade for both teams.
All teams. 17% of Top 10 prospects become league average players in MLB. That is a 2.0 WAR player.
Now that the Yankees didn’t get Cease, it’s time for another article about Luzardo being traded. This time the article can be about the Yankees looking into Jesus Luzardo.
Then this time, it will be the Yankees fans posting about how trading one of their dime-a-dozen prospects as the headliner along with two low level prospects will make absolute sense for the Marlins to do. And then they can add the regular justification comment of the Marlins will digress this season because last year was a fluke, so it makes so much sense to trade Luzardo to the Yankees.
How soon can this article be posted up on here?
How soon till the Marlins acquire a real player, like Brandon Nimmo!
We’re trying to improve our team, not set it back like the Mets.
Drew Thorpe was the headliner for Soto and Cease. Volpe just went 20/20. Spencer Jones is drawing Judge comps. Dominguez had a great start before the injury. Every team over values their own prospects but the Yankees no more than anyone else. Luzardo isn’t some generational talent. Spencer Jones, Warren, lottery tickets and cash considerations is plenty lol.
@Wrian Washman
There we go. Now we’re talking. But I think you were supposed to wait for MLBTR to write the “Yankees Looking Into Luzardo” article before you posted this. I know you couldn’t wait, but I figure that, after about 20 of such articles about Luzardo this offseason, you wouldn’t have had to wait too long for your post.
Insider knowledge at its best
I covered it well, didn’t I?
It’s important to know how things really go down
Cashman and the NYY are hoarding prospects and many of those prospects do not pan out and become stars as they have projected.
And, they swing and miss on a lot of deals that could help them win now.
Three of SD’s top 10, all 50-55 level prospects. At face value, not too bad, but I’m surprised another team didn’t match or top that kind of value.
Other teams couldnt
The Yankees could have. Hamtpon Pereira Warren same type of value. Just came down to preference for Chicago. Not a bad return for two years of cease.
Someone tell us exactly what Yankee players Cashman offered?!
They say they made a competitive offer, but they will never fully disclose the players they offered?!
Apparently, the White Sox thought the other teams offers were too low.
Why anyone would trade for Cease is amazing, the guy is done he had one great year and everyone thinks he is Cy Young….Padres trading for Dylan tells me that Organization is a mess…They should be dumping players but now choose to be be a 75 win team for the next decade with zero direction… Too funny
And what are your baseball knowledge credentials to make such an assertion?
Pads have averaged about 75 wins since day one. How can you say they have no direction? The model of consistency except for flukes in 84 and 98.
I have to believe they go after a controllable left handed outfielder…yay or nay?
Nah they have Merrill there now.
In addition, I’d still like someone to patrol left, more than what we have rostered now…
Maybe a LFer?
Agreed, Brew…it’d be nice to have another outfielder on the roster.
They might save the $ for in season wait and see approach
I don’t know enough about these players going back but I was hoping LA would sneak in there and get Cease. They could use another proven starter even if he isn’t a 1 or 2
Fair deal. Have to chuckle at the WS fan who thought the WS were getting multiple top prospects. Just like when certain SD fans thought Soto was getting multiple top prospects.
Very Barry must be varry disappointed!
Let’s hope these youngsters can stay healthy. Anyone that joins the White Sox ends up with Eloy Jimenez syndrome, which only allows you to play approx. 87 games per season.
Abreu, Konerko, Thomas ? It sounds like you saying only Sox have injury problems
Eloy had that before the trade
Padres have had a weird offseason. Looked like they’d be in sell mode after the Soto/Grisham trade and their most significant FA is…Profar? Now they’re draining more of their farm to get Cease.
They were never in sell mode, despite the hopes of other big market teams
Well, Jarred, if you’re not a Padres fan, it’s completely understandable that you won’t know crap about their farm system. If this is “draining the farm”, I hope Preller makes 20 more of these kinds of trades, i.e. trades that retain all Padres top prospects. Thorpe was only ranked as a Pads prospect for about a week, so I’m not including him in that last comment. Besides, Leodalis De Vries will be backfilling his #85 spot as soon as Thorpe exits the prospects list, and will probably place a whole lot highre than #85 by the end of this season. Think, right behind Salas?!
Padres most significant FA acquisitions are Matsui, Peralta, and Go.
They asked for a lot from the Orioles and Reds but it looks like they came down to a fair market value for Cease. I think it came down to the padres being able to provide pitching in return as opposed to position players that set the padres apart from the other teams that looked into getting Cease
Key word-conjecture
Underwhelming return. Pirates should’ve made this move.
Agreed. I think the Reds offered more in quality (quantity doesn’t always mean better) than this way back.
I mean the Pirates system is fairly deep even past their top pitchers. It was curious to see this as the final deal that was the “right” one.
I’m in the minority but this to me is an overpay. Cease looked mediocre at times last year and Thorpe looks exceptional. Time will tell but they got a load in return.
Padres should sign jd Martinez as well.
Awesome haul for Soto. Pitching is exactly what is needed and after that more pitching. One awesome hitter like Soto (outside of Petco) isn’t going to put the Padres in a playoff slot but 3 SPs heck yeah!
Abrams, Gore, Wood, Hassell, Susana, Zavala, Thorpe, Iriarte, Wilson, 1 year of Soto, and Grisham for 1.5 years of Soto, 2 years of Cease, King, Brito and Higiashioka.
I don’t think anyone does that deal if they are offered it.
And Vasquez
Yeah, the Soto trade was a disaster.
It wasn’t a disaster; it was the decision to pay all those other players before him. The Red Sox did nearly the same thing with Betts. Although there wasn’t a guarantee as a Boras client, it was the path necessary to justify the trade. It turned sour when Preller got greedy.
Yes it was a disaster. Trading for a player to “gain the inside track on an extension” basically never works out.
Not for the Pawds
Soto,
Bell,
and NLCS appearance
plus Cease, King, Brito, Vasquez, and Higgy
Abrams (great glove, no hit SS that was blocked in SD),
Gore (4.42 ERA, continually injured),
Hassell (washed out and no longer top prospect),
Wood (37% K rate which only ONE player in MLB history has overcome at his age and level to become productive MLB player),
Susana (hard throwing reliever with control issues in low A ball),
Thorpe (low ceiling, high floor # 5 starter prospect)
Zavala (lottery ticket OF who was top 100 prospect last season,
Iriarte (high ceiling pitcher with floor of high leverage reliever), and a solid middle reliever.
Yeah, I think almost every GM in baseball makes that deal.
Reading that I would think washington got fleeced. Haha point of view I guess
SS Abrams was NOT BLOCKED in SD.
He could be playing LF right now instead of Jurickson Profar .
Abrams is only 23!?
Players don’t even reach “peak performance years” until ages 27-30.
Abrams is a rising star who is projected to be the next Trey Turner.
2023 18 home runs .245 BA 64 RBIs 47 stolen bases .712 OPS.
Abrams IS NOT A FIELD ONLY SS WITH NO HITTING?!
Bogaerts has already been moved off shortstop and Kim is a FA after 2024. No one was blocking CJ in San Diego.
Tatis was the SS when Abrams was called up and expected to be the SS for years to come. Yes, he was blocked at SS.
88 career and 95 OPS+ last season. His WAR was based almost entirely on his defense. He hasn’t hit as a Nat and didn’t hit in a Padres uniform or particularly well in their minor leagues. His 871 OPS in El Paso was just over team average of .850.
So far Abrams is primarily a field only SS. Maybe that will change. So far its the way things are. you may not LIKE it, but its the truth.
Abrams and Gore combined for the same WAR as Soto in 2023. Ask me if I care whether Abrams’ WAR came from hitting or fielding.
@websoulsurfer Abrams 185 OPS+ and on pace for 8.5 WAR so far this year. What was that you were saying about him being a “great glove, no hit SS?”
Preller and the Padres win this one easily! They didn’t give up Salas, Merrill, Snelling, or Lesko. The White Sox wanted other teams like the Yankees to give up a ton, but the Padres didn’t.
Always appreciate your candor, Hank… but realistically, we should wait 3+ years to factually grade (any) trade.
The padres have just made theeeeeee worst pitcher trade in the history of baseball. He will average around 4.3 in the next 4 years then bounce out with allllll that cash
TBY
Who will average 4.3 what?
Worse than trading Pedro? Smoltz?
4 years? He’s a FA in 26
More like “The Big No”
Not one top 50 prospect? I continue to be underwhelmed by this sad franchise.
Cry everyone a river please. Hanky needed?
I hate to gain wins and risk injury during a rebuild but if they believe in Cease they may have done better at deadline.
That’s the greatness of Preller and his negotiating skills
Hahaha Preller negotiating skills, that’s rich. Trea Turner, Zach Eflin, Max Fried and Jack Suwinski say hi.
Suwinski lumped up in there? Lol
Name one GM that has won every single trade!
Chris Antonetti
The Rox took him to Poundtown in the Nolan Jones swap. THE ROX!
Nice try, Champ… just another swing and a miss. Every GM has “lost” a trade.
The sophomore slump hit Nolan Jones like a train this year… champ
He’s hurt. Why u a hater so much, Chump? Nevermind, nobody cares
Cool. Let’s see if Nolan can repeat 2023 or something close to it before we start trashing Antonetti for that trade.
BTV rated this trade as almost perfectly equal
baseballtradevalues.com/trades/165041
$42.4 to the Padres
$44.5 to the Sox
Who cares what a opinionated baseball website says. It’s all bunk bc if everything they printed was fact they be rich people. History will tell, not a baseball trade evaluation company that prints bunk
DDS
Who cares what you have to say? Not me.
No one claims that everything they say is fact. What are you talking about?
The only thing that your comment did was show your ignorance
“they be rich people”
Yah mean!
Those calculators and charts are ‘baseline estimated values’.
Look at these players in a year or 2 and the info is often dramatically different.
SF
”
Look at these players in a year or 2 and the info is often dramatically different.”
Yes?
Do you not change your ideas with more information?
“Those calculators and charts are ‘baseline estimated values’.”
Yes.
That’s how estimates work
Hope it works out for the Sox because of past ties, but I am not real keen on the return for them at first glance.
I came here read the sheer meltdown of so many fans on both sides but especially the White Sox un-fans. And after reading these posts it seems like Cease if a much better pitcher ever since Padrex traded for him. The absolute mindless people on to get a life.
Thanks for reading….A Real White Sox, not a phoney one. From a Sox fan I hope he wins Cy Young in San Diego
I expressed my brief opinion, typed two lines… looks like it’s you who doesn’t have enough to do.
Maybe with the Yankee$ ship going down and Cole staring at a long time on the injured list, the Padres will trade for Juan Soto. I wonder if the Yank$ will ask for more than what they gave up for him?
2025 Padres
Tatis
Bogaerts
Soto
Machado
Goldschmidt/Pauley
Merrill
Campusano/Salas
Duvall/Marsee
Cronenworth
Darvish
Musgrove
Cease
King
Snelling/Brito
Bahh… they got no real talent. All flash in the pan losers. Madres gonna lose, lose, lose again. Fire Preller! Fire .. what’s his name, Green? Tingler, Melvin? Oh, yeah.. Fire Shildt (stop him early from losing the season …). Just … stop them all ….
/sarcasm (of the routine fans bashing of everything “Padres”. 😉
I think the Padres have a very real shot at signing Roki Sasaki in the 2024-2025 offseason.
If they do, that gives them the freedom to trade pitching prospects beyond Lesko, Snelling, Brito for a young power bat to add to the lineup.
Roki-Watch 2025 is on fire
Sasaki will lose so much money if he comes over now. After seeing how much Yamamoto got paid, do you really think he will do that?
Although Ohtani did, so its possible.
From everything that was being said in the Japanese sports media, he is coming after the 2024 season. Like in Ohtani’s case, sometimes its not about the money.
Roki will be Yu Darvish’s last chance to prove he can recruit Japanese players to SD.
Watching the Dodgers and Padres battle for NL West supremacy is going to be fun to watch this season.
B for SD. They gave up some nice but not elite prospects. They all have ?s. One guy doesn’t have a good fastball. Sure he can make it with his other offerings but it decreases his ceiling and odds. Safest prospect. Has best floor. One guy strikes out too much. Another walks too many. High upside you can dream of but lots of ?s. With their contracts they are in win now mode. Gotta keep selling tickets and tv views. This is better than fair price to pay. May see a backend starter and 2 prospects they can’t develop.
Thorpe is close and SD is aggressive with prospects. Says to me they don’t think much of Thorpe.
C for Chicago. Detroit might have got a D if they had Cease. Don’t know what happened here. Other teams aren’t as high on Cease? I like him to improve. Chicago lowered their ask significantly? This is a quantity upside return with a lot of risk. At best it’s just enough to trade Cease if you insist on trading him. I wouldn’t be thrilled if I was a sox fan.
If you can’t develop your prospects you fire your minor league coaches and bring in dudes who can you don’t trade the prospects for 50 cents on the dollar.
Interesting take on Thorpe. I thought that he was one of the 2 pitchers the Padres were insisting on from the Yankees?
Late reply but if you thought Thorpe was going to even be good you wouldn’t trade 7 years of him for 2 years and include additional prospects. He was mlb ready. If he was years away sure, win now mode you trade him.
He better live up to the billing to give up Thorpe. He seems like he could be an ace for the Padres in a few short years.
In Niebla we trust!
At least Cease has done it before. If Ruben can work some magic to help him regain his prior consistency, Cease may become the Wacha/Lugo of 2024, or maybe, even better than that. $8M AAV + 2 years of control, makes it very similar to the Wacha deal, if I recall.
Thorpe’s ceiling is a #4 or #5 starter. He is almost certain to reach the majors as a starter, but he is not an Ace by any stretch of the imagination. He throws low 90s and lives off command, not stuff.
Iriarte, on the other hand, has the ceiling to be a #2, but is far more likely to make it as a late inning reliever.
I am here to eat crow, especially to King Floch who was right all along. He said I would be disappointed and I said I wouldn’t because worst case scenario is the White Sox keep Dylan Cease. But after seeing this trade I am absolutely disappointed, not even Lesko? Hopefully I get proven wrong and at least one or two of these guys turn out to be worth a damn, but in the meantime, King if you read this feel free to gloat.
Probably for the best. The Padres are a black hole for talent and the Rangers get to keep their prospects.
Dang, Rangers win one before us and all of a sudden their chests puff out.
The team we all expected got Cease. I’ve also been drinking.
Padres always dumping their prospects lol
They still have at least 5 elite prospects even after this trade. They can dump some more if they wanted to.
Jackson Merrill to start in center field next week. “Always dumping?”
If there’s one thing I’ve learned about Preller it’s that he likes to keep “his guys” close. If you’re not one of his favs, you’re a pawn in “the” game.
It’s pretty funny that hate Preller because he has rebuilt the farm every 2-3 yrs to become a top 5 farm system. What other gm has rebuilt their farm system 2-3 times to become a top 5 every time?
Yet another white sox white flag trade.
Getz -we’re not rebuilding but retooling (2023)
Doesn’t look like it.
100 loss season 2024!
I think they can be a 65 win team at best. Re of anything is a rebuild bro. Sox will attempt to sign Lorenzen to replace Cease.
Chisox aren’t that bad.
They could win 75 maybe more
Yes but that’s if Moncada and Eloy and basically the entire bullpen performs well. Trading Cease is the right thing to do as much I miss him in a Sox uniform.
Rotation:
Erick Fedde
Michael Lorenzen(assuming he signs with Sox)
Michael Soroka
Chris Flexen
Michael Kopech?
Not a great rotation tbh.
Don’t forget Crochet… he looks like his velocity is back up near 98-99.
Forgot about him.
Didn’t they just announce they were moving Kopech to the pen?
Probably closer to 60-62. I took the under in Las Vegas at 62. Take heart though, the A’s will still be worse.
I took the over at 65. 66 if Clevinger or Lorenzen is signed.
Thorpe has now been traded for Soto and Cease before even throwing a pitch in the majors. No pressure, Drew. : -)
Kudos to Preller!
He’s got big balls, gota give em that.
Patience, tow. Like I said? Cheers mate
Preller or Getz?
As a Dodgers fan I love this move for the Padres. They get a pitcher who won’t be a difference maker and it further depletes their farm system. Excellent! And Blake Snell could have been acquired for nothing more than money.
cool story dude
Lol, you make it easy for Padres fans to hate the Dodgers. Y’all have a great, $Billion season up north there. We’ll see how things work out.
OldSaltUSN – As Kelly LeBrock used to say in Pantene commercials: “Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful.”
@Stay. Take heart that no matter how depleted the Pads farm becomes, it will never be quite so bereft as the Dodgers record in the playoffs.
How many WS Trophies the padres got?
I dunno I’m a Giants fan
Seven
Can the Dodgers beat a WC team when it counts the most? Have a Great regular season.
Can it be the third straight season of failure in the playoffs?
Great trade for the Sox. They got a quality pen arm with control Two pitching prospects that look like they can be mid to back end starters and a quality OF prospect and all they had to give up was the Leagues worst starter. (sarcasm)
Cease is just to wild for me to give up that much for. Possibly why it took so long to find a deal(?). on paper anyway. Looks like when he can keep some better control he can be lights out. Hopefully the Padres can help him figure that out.
Assuming the Padres can do that, it is a hell of a trade… but if Cease stays near where he was in 2024 then the Sox made out like bandits. All of these guys could be in the mlb this or next year assuming health.
That said… from my arm chair, I was interested in him but I wouldn’t have given up that much to get him.
Finally all this trade talk can cease.
Just heard the news.
Wow only 589 comments
NYY Cole injury really shook some trees TEX was in the hunt also and maybe others. SDP needs all the help to compete with LAD.
Really won’t be surprised if the Pale Sox sign one of the SP mentioned in the end of the article
Lorenzen would be the perfect Cease replacement.
You think JR is going to pay the man when there are still dumpsters left for him to order Getz to dive in?
They need a starter than is an inning eaters. Lorenzen is,! Cease isn’t.
Aiden – going thru life lying or stupid is not good.
Here are the last three years of innings:
2021: 29 verses 165
2022: 153 verses 184
2023: 105 verses 177
Guess which one is which?
I’ll give you a clue – DC is the one on the right with a whole lot more innings over past 3 years AND higher total each year.
Try to sign Clevinger. Best pitcher last season.
Great write-up, Anthony!!
People say he’s an ace despite the fact he has had only one great season and his other seasons are either mediocre or trash. #Overrated #Notanace #Noteventop20
Ace
Wow yet still padres are irrelevant
Then why is everyone including you talking about them? Wicked smaht comment
Man, go to hell Padres.
Yeeesss let that hate flow through you!
But for real were you trying to be witty or are you truly just a very emotional person?
Farhan is blithering idiot. And so are the apologist fans. SD was ripped for giving away the farm for Soto. And yet their farm system is hands down much better than the Giants. And now they have enough to get Cease without giving up their top prospects. Not only can Farhan not sign caliber players but he can’t even build a decent farm system. I know, let’s Mason Black to the World Series. Or Wisenhunt who has thrown like 40 innings a year for the last 4 years. What a joke.
Of course they did.
Looks like Thorpe’s outing in front of the WS evaluators sealed the deal
Funny how when fans turn on their GM or PBO, from that point on, nothing that guy can do will ever be without criticism. Like Zaidi with the Giants, where nothing he does is right according to his critics, so it is with Preller and the fans that have turned on him.
Absolutes weaken your arguments. Judge Zaidi by his track record. Financially, I’m sure the owners like him – he has been responsible for record profits – #3 in all of MLB two years ago (latest reports). Yet to get that profit he has shopped for players that make them a .500 team and when those borderline players fizzle, they fizzle big. Hanniger, Conforto, Stripling, LaStella, and the farm? Bishop, Will Wilson, Bednar. And where are these prospects on the big club? Bailey. Let 2024 play out. He has some hits – Yaz, 107 wins but the losses outweigh the wins. He needs to be fired.
True Giants Fan, By using hindsight, and looking only at the bottom line, you’re over-simplifying the analysis of Zaidi.
But you’ve missed my point completely. Every GM or PBO makes bad signings, as has Zaidi. But once fans decide that their GM/PBO should be fired, then no credit is given for the good signings.
For, example, the anti-Zaidi crowd criticized the signing of Lee, which is looking like a good one. They criticized the trade for Ray, even though it allowed Zaidi to offload players whom those same people criticized. According to the critics, Zaidi hasn’t done a single thing right since they soured on him.
There has been zero recognition by the critics for the acquisitions of Flores, Wade, Sabol, and Estrada, or the very good depth the team has now. Nor is there any recognition of how bad the Giants were when Zaidi took over. In the two years previous to Zaidi’s hiring, the Giants were 50 games under .500. They are 38 games over since.
The expectations that the Giants should be better than they are is unrealistic. Stability is important, and firing GMs/PBOs is destabilizing. If the Giants aren’t better after his extension ends, then I’ll agree that he should be replaced, But I doubt the Giants would be any better than they are now with someone other than Zaidi.
Craig Breslow hasn’t even gotten his seat warm and some fans are already in his office with pitchforks. Obv. the Giolito deal didn’t work out but it’s not like it hinders the RS’ ability to spend.
Yanks n bosox too interested in bottom line these days. Acting like small city teams w/their penny pinching. In a karma no-mans land where the moves they do make have blown-up in their faces. They want that luxury tax money to stay in their pockets fans be damned.
I wonder how MLB would rerank the farm systems now. SD was 4th and Chicago 20th.
Maybe 12…just a guess
Keith Law had the Padres ranked 18th. They are probably something like 24 now.
The Dodgers are #3 and they didn’t just trade 3 of their top 10 prospects.
Wow that is such a big difference 4th and 18th. I would not be surprised if Salas is #1 by season end.
Do you really read Law? Seems like a waste of time to me.
MLB had them 4th, BA 6th, and BP 4th. That seems realistic. Best sources on scouting prospects out there.
That Law has them 18th when everyone else has them in top 6 shows how little credence anyone should give his opinion.
Yeah 18th seems weird especially with the top end talent they have.
So as the story goes, Cease will next be traded for a tenth of what the Padres just gave up- and this *after a mediocre season.
Good move for Padres (no need to win the division, just get into the postseason ‘tournament’) and White Sox (seems like they got decent value)
As a Yankee fan I think I’m relieved they didn’t overpay for a guy with great stuff but inconsistent results. I’ll reassess that if he has a great couple of seasons and Spencer Jones flames out, but it does seem like the Brewers and White Sox were asking more of the Yankees than other trade partners. Maybe just my homerism but player agents are not the only ones who try to leverage fan and media pressure on the NYY.
What a weak return. You waiting 4 months for THAT?
Good deal for the white sox. Does seem like they should have gotten a bit more but realistically this is a fine move. Now the padres is what I don’t understand. First, I’m shocked other teams (contenders mainly) couldn’t match or exceed this deal. Braves certainly could have for example and I feel like they should have. But the padres doing it doesn’t make a lot of sense. They just lost a ton of talent, generational type talent, and they had a terrible season last year. In fact, for the last couple years they have underperformed what that roster is capable of. So to me, they aren’t remotely close to competing. And this deal doesn’t put them in contention in a strong division. Nor does it help enough for next season. Does he make them better? Yes. But it seems like a lot to give up for a marginal improvement of the team in its current condition. I still believe they need more. If they go get snell or Montgomery, then I start to feel better about them. But they are trying hard to cut payroll so idk. This is hard for me to wrap my head around 100%. I have far more “why nots” than “why’s”
Padres underperformed last year and you can say some the year before even though they made it to the NLCS in 22.
Padres still have a ton of talent. Their current starting 9 of Xander, tatis, cronenworth, machado, Kim, Pauley (rookie), Campusano (raked last year former top 50 prospect), profar (could use a guy here), Merrill (top 12 prospect).
Starters mustgrove, darvish, cease, king (looks really good), then one of Brito/Vasquez/Waldron/avila (so depth there).
Pen looks good…Suarez, Peralta, Matsui, go, santos, cosgrove, Estrada and Kolek, starters that don’t get the 5th spot, morejon, patino, Jacob and a slew of others just sent to minor league camp.
Bench is a little light higgy, Rosario, Azocar and wade/miller.
I’d they add another left fielder and send profar to the bench the team would look even better. Either way this team looks as good as any team not named the dodgers or braves and perhaps the Phillies. Think they will be in a battle with the dbacks and perhaps others for the 2-3 wild card spot.
Dang, we sure gave up a lot to get him, but it needed to be done. As they say, prospects are suspects until proven otherwise. Hate giving up Thorpe AND iriarte. But, with three top picks this year (1st round and 2 picks for losing Hader and ultimatley Snell), Preller will fill up the farm once again.
Do they still get a pick if snell waits and signs after the draft?
No but he will sign before then.
Nope. Don’t see that happening, but never know.
Not surprising that the Padres jumped back into the trade market to land a mid rotation starter with potential to be even better in Petco Park (favors pitchers).
Dylan Cease is a quality starter who regressed last year (partly because of bad defense and little run support on a very bad team).
I have criticized AJ Preller on many of his deals that gave up too much and received too little in return.
I anticipated that a deal for a Starter would be made by the Padres.
I expected it would be a deal for a young starter with more than two years team control, but maybe there wasn’t any cost controlled young starters with 3-4 years service time left on the market/available.
Some interesting and thought provoking posts here.
The Padres Front Office and Scouting has developed a very deep pipeline of young international and US drafted players/
I tip my hat to AJ Preller, his scouts and Front Office for that undeniable skill
The Padres paid a high price in volume and talent AN OVERPAY.
It is Preller’s reputation for overpaying in trades and operating like a “riverboat gambler” that gives him an advantage in getting deals done over competing teams.
Fortunately for Padres fans, Preller and Staff did not give up LHSP Robbie Snelling, RHSP Dylan Lesko, SS/CF Jackson Merrill, Devries, Pauley and Marsee.
This was a pure “baseball trade” that will help both the White Sox and the Padres
If Cease can help the Padres punch their ticket to the playoffs at least 2 years, then Padres fans will judge it worth it.
If the Padres farmhands fill many holes on a rebuilding White Sox team and some of them “break out”, then White Sox fans will be happy.
Padres fans may wince if too many of these Padres farm hands :”pan out”.
The major league reliever the Padres sent to the White Sox will surely be trade bait at the 2024 trade deadline that may land the White Sox a few more very interesting prospects.
Sorry, but comments shouldn’t read like Kerouac novels. Ain’t nobody got time fo dat.
Nothing behind me, everything ahead of me, so just keep on rolling under the stars
I read it. Very insightful. Next time maybe he can insert pictures so it can retain your attention.
Attention span of a gnat?
My attention span is fine. I’m an avid reader. It’s a baseball forum, we’re not discussing astrophysics. If you can’t make your point in a paragraph or two, then your point is convoluted. This specific article has nearly 800 comments. Imagine everyone in here going full Tolstoy.
@sportsfan, don’t usually agree with you, but that post was pretty good.
Terrible return for Cease. South siders got fleeced by the Padres again…
Pad fan here – the return you got was very good. Time will tell on both sides but you shouldn’t be upset. 1 near ready SP (Thorpe) with pretty high floor; 1 24-25 SP (Iriarte) with a good floor and high ceiling – his ST reviews were awesome; Wilson – as good of 6/7 inning RP as you could ask for at minimum salary level over last 2 years; Zavala – probably really close to back of top 100 CF when the next round comes out with guys aging out at top.
Iriarte will for sure be too 100 when the next list comes out.
Prospects are suspects but you got some good ones that all are near ready as opposed to lottery tickets.
Have they put Snell, Montgomery, Clevinger and Bauer on a milk carton yet? The latter two can be had for a song and no one is lifting a finger.
Forgot Urias – had anyone even heard his name mentioned in like 90 days?
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“The Padres paid a high price in volume and talent AN OVERPAY.”
BTV has the trade almost exactly even
baseballtradevalues.com/trades/165041
By what measure are you deeming it an overpay?
That trade values site is more subjective than objective on the value of present and future MLB players.
It is a decent “baseline” that is open to discussion and interpretation
(and many Scouts, Front Offices, Teams tend to value their players and opposing teams players with more data, in person scouting, analysis etc).
But, in some cases it undervalues some prospects and over values some prospects and veteran players.
It is a good starting point for discussion, but not determinative.
I do like that it isn’t biased in favor of or against any particular team and doesn’t give extra points for things like “name value” or “gaining the inside track on an extension” but now and then they are way off on their valuation of a particular player.
Where will Cease be in the rotation? Cease, Darvish, Musgrove, King, Brito/Waldron/Avila, etc
Can’t bump Cease over Darvish and the fifth spot remains a competition. The Padres have some depth when you include Vasquez.
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“Where will Cease be in the rotation?”
Doesn’t really matter. Only to casual fans.
He’ll make his 30ish starts baring injury and he’ll be one of the best starters in their rotation.
Barring injuries, that’s a pretty decent rotation.
Old players always get hurt
I really dislike that when you mute someone that is a moron, that you lose all the responses to said moron. Often those responses are really informative, but when the moron posts 40 times in one thread it makes it not worth reading it.
Tim Dierkes, what can be done about that?
Not Tim here, but I’d say don’t mute anyone if FOMO upsets you more?
I agree with Pads on this one. On most boards you can mute or block people without losing the entire thread.
There are people that it’s just not worth having to endure scrolling through all of their posts to get to people you want to talk to. That guy up near the top of this thread that had what, 40 or more comments, and all stupid beyond belief.
I want to be able to block trolls and still see people I like.
@outinleftfield Of course you agree with “Pads” lmfao
The man of 249 usernames Pads Fans himself referring to others as “morons” lol.
The answer to his question is to not be so aggressive with the mute button. It’s a free site and it’s always been that way. Don’t like it? Don’t go on it.
This is a really good trade for both teams.
The White Sox are in a short rebuild mode and are getting a reliever that can help them now and for a few more years before FA and 2 starting pitching prospects that are near MLB ready. That fits their needs perfectly. Zavala is a very good prospect that is top 100 on some lists, but he is 2-3 years away from the majors and with Tatis and Merrill locked in for years to come, moving him made sense.
Cease slots into the middle of the Padres rotation, has been a workhorse, and I expect to see a nice improvement in his ERA since he is moving from one of the worst defensive team in baseball to one of the best. Working with Niebla and the new pitching lab will help too. A return to his 2022 numbers is not out of the question.
This also moves a couple guys into the pen or AAA instead of the back of the rotation. Darvish, Musgrove, Cease, King, Brito with Waldron, Vasquez and Avila as depth is a very good rotation.
I really thought the Padres needed a LH starter to plug into the middle of their rotation, but after all the injuries in Miami there just isn’t one available with 2 or more years of team control.
Bottom line is I really like this move. Preller comes through again.
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PLEASE DUDE remember when Steve Adams outed you?
For those that are wondering, the Padres went from 81.5 Wins O/U to 84 Wins O/U after this signing. The last season that was enough to get to the WS.
Enough to get postseason lol
Hey wouldn’t it be something if the pads trade cease to the Yankees for a way better package of man
Heck yeah, SD! Weirdest franchise? I think so.
Padres are in the hole by $97.3m from the two Soto trades.
NYY and other teams are not disclosing what they offered for Cease so how can you say that?!