The MLB commissioner’s office announced today that Reds infielder Noelvi Marte has received an 80-game suspension without pay after testing positive for Boldenone, a banned performance enhancing substance. “The Reds fully support Major League Baseball’s drug policy and its penalties,” the club said in a statement. “We will have no further comment.” Marte will be on the restricted list until the first 80 games of the regular season are completed.
Marte, 22, was one of several exciting young position players to debut with the Reds last year. An international signing of the Mariners out of the Dominican Republic, he was one of four players that came to the Reds in the 2022 trade that sent Luis Castillo to Seattle. He slashed .279/.358/.454 in the minors last year, earning himself a call-up in mid-August. He then hit .316/.366/.456 in his first 123 major league plate appearances while splitting his time between shortstop and third base.
Marte was coming into the 2024 campaign as a consensus top 50 prospect in the sport and set to be a key part of the left side of the Cincinnati infield. Instead, he will sit out the first half of the season while serving his suspension.
As mentioned, the Reds have been graduating a number of prospects to the majors lately and should have plenty of options to cover for Marte’s absence. Matt McLain can play either middle infield spot while Elly De La Cruz could play either spot on the left side. Jeimer Candelario and Christian Encarnacion-Strand can play the corner infield spots.
Spencer Steer can bounce all over the diamond but may end up in left field with the infield logjam, even without Marte. Jonathan India has been a second baseman for the most part but has been getting work at first and in the outfield due to the club’s bevy of infielders. Catcher Tyler Stephenson has some experience at first base. Even if Steer and India end up spending more time on the infield, the outfield still has TJ Friedl, Will Benson, Jake Fraley and Stuart Fairchild.
How the club manages their roster without Marte remains to be seen. For him personally, this figures to push back his free agency and perhaps his qualification for arbitration as players do not accrue service time while on the restricted list. He currently has 44 days of MLB service time but this suspension will prevent him from getting over the one-year mark in 2024.
Yikes
So, THAT”S WHY the Reds didn’t trade India.
And yes, teams get wind of this stuff earlier than you think.
Puffy nipples gave it away.
Eddie Murphy laughing gif here.
I also noticed that at Spring Training.
Sometimes, even younger dudes might need a Manziere for extra support.
I like the name ‘the BRO’ ~ kramer
MANZIERE!
If I recall correctly, the release of this information is up to negotiation between the union, league and the player/rep/agent. The team is notified immediately upon the negative test but is not involved in any other way.
Reds knew months ago already. That’s why they signed Jeimer and kept India.
I love how people here “know” when the Reds found out about this.
GBS
I cerrtainly don’t “know” — and have zero inside information — but I do now wonder.
It just made no sense for the team to spend big money on Jeimer with Marte, DeLaCruz, McLain, India, CES and Steer.
… when that money could have been used to sign an upgraded free agent pitcher.
So true. ‘insider nobodies’
Even with Marte out of the equation, it STILL makes no sense to not sign a pitcher or an outfielder instead.
right? we’re among some of the sharpest minds in mlb….right here in this chat!
They still have too many infielders and outfielders. By mid season both Marte and Arroyo will be pushing for a spot to play. In the meantime they still have one too many infielders. One would assume that one of the outfielders will DH most of the time. Arroyo likely chases De La Cruz to either 3B or the OF by mid season. I guess with his problems with his feet, India could be the RH DH. as well as spell CES at 1B. All in all, it is a good problem to have. It is way better than not having enough capable players to plug into all the positions.
Mmmm wouldnt it be common sense to assume the test was a few weeks/months ago. Gears of bureaucracy take time.
Akakak, yes, because assuming never leads to any mistakes.
@Alan in a perfect world their 4th OF DHs. But they are pretty rhin as far as OF depth. Freidl, Benson, and Fraley all missed a decent amount of time last season. Steer played 2/3’s of season in the IF and Fairchild is a last resort. Odds are that IFs will see quite a bit of time DHing.
Its not much of an assumption lol
Without any evidence to support your theory, and since you used the word “assume,” I’d say it’s an assumption.
GBS
True – But the very nature of a “rumors” blog is that speculation is desired even though guesses/assumptions are sometimes erroneous.
@SODOMOJO: Must’ve been a positive test at some point, or there wouldn’t be a suspension.
You got a lot of business experience dont cha
Nailed it!
Even without Marte, they still had plenty of infielders. Its only an 80 game suspension. They signed Matthias and Harrison as depth options. That’s what you do for short term losses. You don’t sign someone to a 3 year contract. Candelario is someone they wanted. He is not a knee jerk reaction.
Manny,
Speculating whether Team X will sign Player Y is common speculation. Assuming a team knew about a player’s PED suspension months before it was announced and acted on that information is something totally different.
And as others have said, the Reds have plenty of infielders even without Marte and Candelario. More pitching and/or and OF would have been a better fit than Candelario.
Ak,
It’s difficult to know who you’re replying to when there are a lot of comments.
Kick the tires on Michael Taylor and Adam Duvall. Taylor makes sense for OF depth because we only have one true CFer. Duval would provide right hand balance to so many lefties out there and also allow Steer to play some 3B should the need arise.
Its not my job to teach you how to google things on a chat forum.
I was trying to be subtle and push you in the logical direction.
But you dont know what youre talking about or how to look it up lol
Ak,
Are you saying I can google how soon after a positive PED test, and how far in advance of a PED suspension, the team is informed? I tried that and found nothing.
It would be very easy for you to share your knowledge by providing a link. Otherwise, I will use logic to deduce you don’t know what you’re talking about.
You went for it, I applaud you. I mean, screw us for openly pontificating baseball matters….on a baseball chat board lol
Nobody is pretending to”know” anything
SODO,
You and dave said the team knows as soon as the positive test is determined, and this could lead to months of actions by the Reds using this knowledge.
Do other teams know? If not, that would lead to an imbalance of knowledge in the FA market, which seems like something the other 29 teams would have a problem with.
I SAID
“If I recall correctly”
You took that as “lol look at these dummy’s they think they know everything”
That’s your choice
AH, I forgot about the power of absolution granted by IIRC.
this could lead to months of actions by the Reds using this knowledge.
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FWIW, and with complete disinterest, that is the first thing I thought of-that MAYBE they knew and that’s what led to them retaining India.
gbs – I know exactly when the Reds found out about it.
They found out as soon as the positive test result came in. At that time the HPAC immediately notifies both the player and his team.
Why didn’t you just ask me?
Fever,
Your mention of the HPAC spurred me into looking up the specifics. This is from Wikipedia, so doubt it if you will:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_drug_p…
“Each Player shall be tested upon reporting to spring training. All Players will be selected for an additional unannounced urine specimen collection during the season on a randomly selected date.”
According to this, there is no testing during the offseason, so Marte tested positive some time in the last few weeks. The Reds signed Candelario in December.
Gbs – What is there to doubt? I didn’t give any dates, I just confirmed the team finds out immediately after a test comes up positive.
Fever,
The debate was whether the Reds knew about this months ago and acted upon that knowledge when signing Candelario, which they didn’t.
gbs – Yes that was one debate, how soon the team is notified appears to be another. The below quote is yours, and there are others from others. No worries, not a big deal, carry on.
“Are you saying I can google how soon after a positive PED test, and how far in advance of a PED suspension, the team is informed? I tried that and found nothing.”
DaveLaw
I have a similar take to you – I am wondering if this was the reason for Jeimer Candalario signing when the Reds seemingly could have instead used that money for an upgraded pitching acquisition.
@Manny it would not surprise me at all if it were leaked. The only thing I question is if it were leaked to Reds it surely would ve been leaked to other teams as well. The Reds obviously would benefit by keeping it quiet, other teams however had nothing to gain not leaking it publicly.
That’s why I’m curious as to when the test was taken. It would give a better idea of if/how the test influenced offseason decisions.
I think Candalario was signed because he’s a great switch hitting bat and those are hard to come by. I also thought the Reds would trade for more pitching but they haven’t.
Just curious how teams get wind of this type of thing early??
I am not saying that this does happen, but if the league office finds out at an earlier stage of the due process, perhaps there is a “leak”?
Again, my suspicion is based solely on circunstantial evidence, nothing solid and no inside information.
@Manny I was asking Dave. Your comment you clearly stated you were wondering and said nothing definitive. Dave said it as though it is a fact, I was just wondering if he could substantiate it.
I wish they’d report when these tests were taken.
Tigers
A-ok. Thanks for explaining.
Jesus. If you’re gonna juice, at least use something better than Equipoise.
I hit the refresh button and this is what I get. Wow, that’s disappointing news. I’m sorry Reds fans…
Can’t ever have anything nice smh
Seems like they only drug test Dominicans, what’s up with that??
They test everyone, the Dominicans have a high percentage fail rate. It’s not conspiracy. It’s failing drug tests.
I am sensitive to creating a stereotype based on National origin, but do you have any statistics that PED use is higher amongst Dominican players than say Puerto Rican or Venezuelan players?
Or, I dunno, white Americans?
The percentage testing positive does sound higher for foreign born players, I am questioning the claim that Dominicans are highest even among foreign Latinos without a citation.
not going to count all of them as im not that invested in this but i looked at suspensions over 80 which means a 2nd suspension and of those 9 players 7 were dominican. Marlon Byrd and A-rod are the 2 that are not.
@Jack White Americans are more into fentanyl & meth !
@Manny Here’s an interesting transcript from a podcast where they talk about the Dominican and why you might see increased PEDS use…yeah it’s 10 years old but the dynamics haven’t changed…
npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=21021825…
You must be new to following baseball. PEDs are ingrained in the Dominican culture and are one of the few ways out of poverty in that country. Ten percent of MLB players have Dominican roots, but well over 50% of positive test results are Dominicans.
nytimes.com/2022/11/04/sports/baseball/jenrry-meji…
ARod is Dominican he played for the DR in the 2009 WBC and both his parents are Dominican immigrants and he lived in the DR as a child.
Random means random. The MLBPA and players would sue individually if it weren’t.
“do you have any statistics that PED use is higher amongst Dominican players”
Yes, they keep failing random drug tests.
Seriously, who/why in the world would such a study exist to break down steroid use by South American and Caribbean? Just accept the facts at face value. There’s no conspiracy.
Dominican players make up about 50% of PED suspensions.
Actually I found a Wikipedia site of suspended players and it does seem to support the idea that there are more Dominicans than other foreign Latinos, though it does not have the numbers of players from each country that are not suspended to compare percentage-wise
“seem to support the idea that there are more Dominicans than other foreign Latinos”
You state the obvious, so whats your point? Are you just coming to the realization of this fact and wanted to tell everyone?
@manny
if you are looking for population of players by country you Roster Resource has a breakdown by country for each 40 man roster which can be used as a proxy for the overall number. shouldnt take you more than 10-15 mins to put it together.
Dominicans are the majority of foreign players. That’s where they predominantly come from. More than Canada. Small amount Cuba, smaller Venezuela and Japan. Tiny amount Korea and Mexico, Panama..
I’m guessing the higher rate of PEDs is like a class thing. Their paths to big leagues are different and higher risk in some ways. Different prospects too.
This would be worse if they didn’t already have Elly, McLain, and India.
A very boldenone choice
“That’s a boldenone strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off!”
Cotton Weiry?
Legacy means absolutely nothing to some.
In “LEGACY” do you mean the same thing as Barry “CHEATER” Bonds or more like Mark “The Needle” McGwire?
More like Rafael “The Finger” Palmeiro
Any relation to Rolly “the Fingers”?
Why are you bashing those guys? Mike Piazza, Jeff Bagwell, Ivan Rodriguez and David “Big Papi” Ortiz are all in the Hall…legacies and all.
The opportunity to make 20x what they make in Triple-A means a lot to some.
Not to mention the earning limitations of being uneducated and living in the DR. A lot of these guys grew up with dirt floors and the choices were either baseball or poverty. Before people judge them for risking their health or legacy, I think we need to remember the position they and their families were in beforehand. Still not great, but a lot more understandable than an American middle class kids from the suburbs doing it.
And what about the players they steal from?
They are not stealing bread.
I don’t mind stealin’ bread, from the mouth of decadents.
@Halo for some of these foreign players to them it literally is stealing bread. Many live in such poverty that only shot at a stable life and not living hand to mouth is baseball.
It might equate to a lot more, but ultimately for many this is their only shot at a consistent means of putting food on the table. Well you might have nothing but contempt, for most Americans we could never imagine living in the poverty and hopelessness they are born into. Even the poor in America live life’s that many across the world could only dream of.
@Tigers3232 Clearly you’ve never actually been dirt poor in America.
Nickel and Dimed: On Getting By in Americby Barbara Ehrenreich wouldn’t be the worst start.
@JackStraw the poor in America still have access to public schools and various other social programs. And yes I ve never been dirt poor and couldn’t imagine so. The point still stands that the poor I’m America still have it better than the poor in 3rd world countries. If you haven’t noticed people leave everything behind to try and sneak into our country, how many are sneaking out going the other way??
That’s a great,eye opening read!
Quoting Temple of the Dog just gave you cred in my book, hiflew!
He got a million and a half dollar signing bonus. Keep making excuses for him.
Right poor guy, he’s dirt poor.
Jean Valjean also it made him Less Miserable and stopped his stomach from growling. Cornell, Vedder and friends indeed a Supergroup.
Hard to believe Noelvi Marte doesn’t know the rules or risks.
Yeah.
A cheater is cheater. But:
I get it a lot more with a young player waiting to get his first seven figure payday.
Once you have made eight figures and you still try to cheat, then you can no longer say – well, I was willing to compromise my principles to make sure my family was set for life. Then you are just a cheater with no remorse.
He already got his first 7 figure deal. He got a 1 1/2 million dollar signing bonus. Hard to feed your family on that.
What a poor fellow.
I do not disagree.
I can see cheating so your kids have food, health care, even an education. Once you have the essential, my sympathy is long gone.
My sympathy is long gone as well. A have a lot of sympathy for the late round pick who is competing against two juiced players for a spot on the roster.
I don’t have any sympathy for a guy that got a 1.55 million dollar bonus who is one of the top prospects in baseball.
The excuses some are making for this guy are absurd.
The $1,500,000 signing bonus should have helped him survive until he made the Majors.
I have nothing but contempt for these cheaters.
I bet if you did PEDs you’d still be a horrible ball player, because you know, they don’t make you good at baseball. But rock on king
LMAO
Right. They take them to not be better at baseball.
Snapping back at someone speaking out against cheating is an interesting choice. But rock on king.
It doesn’t make you a good baseball player done be silly baby
@012tg…..I missed the comment where someone stated that PEDs make you better at baseball.
Having missed that, it makes your retort appear ad a response to “unseen others.”
Most sports fans are aware that PEDs help decrease recovery time and increase muscle mass.
As* a response.
Doesn’t sound like cheating to me
Gosh, then why did so many players take them? And if they don’t make you better, how did Barry Bonds become the best player in history after taking them?
Steroids also help a TON with recovery.
They don’t make you a talented ball player though, and that’s a fact. Sorry you’re sour sweetie
But they make a good baseball player better at baseball.. common sense is hard, isn’t it?
Wrong
Because everyone intentionally walked him and padded his numbers for him. He had 120 INTENTIONAL walks in 2004, which is more than all but three other players had unintentionally. And that doesn’t include the pitch around walks. Bonds’s numbers were padded by opposing managers far more than any drug.
lol he didn’t learn how to hit a baseball from steroids smooth brain
@Phillie they enhance talent. And for some players on the fringe whose talent would not get them on a MLB roster, that little bit extra makes the difference. The extra bat speed and power can be the difference when it comes to make or break.
And yes it ultimately can make some have big league talent who otherwise would not. If a player can’t get around fast enough on pro pitching PEDs can make all the difference.
As for what happens when an already elite talent turns to PEDs just look at Bonds. We saw an all time great talent stwp it up a notch and start purring up video game type stats.
Everything is on the margins when the competition is so intense. If PEDs take a 45 grade prospect and make them a 50 grade prospect, that can be the difference between majors and minors.
We all know that if you take a regular guy in good shape and give him PEDs that it does not create eye-hand skills and other needed abilities. But PEDs add to strength and shorten recovery time and among two guys of equal talent, the one who uses PEDs is cheating to get the edge over the guy with the same abilities – that is called cheating.
They make a baseball travel further(more HRs). They make a ball hit on the handle travel over the infield.(more base hits). They make a fastball travel faster (more strikeouts). Thus, they make you a cheater. Doing it via weight lifting is one thing. Doing it with drugs is another.
It used to get me so incensed when Bonds would crowd the plate with all the armor on, and opposing pitchers/managers would walk him. A Drysdale or Gibson would have knocked him on his ass multiple times!
Wroooong again big girl, he had talent. Steroids didn’t give it to him, nice try
Phillies
No way older Bonds would have been playing at the superior level to younger Bonds without the PEDs.
We all agree younger Bonds was himself a great player, but he still cheated to upgrade.
Haha simply just not true
I was a pretty good ballplayer, and had I taken them, not only would I be having health problems now, but I would have languished in the minor leagues.
And when I was playing baseball, I don’t even think it was illegal.
They obviously didn’t make you smarter.
Philies
You and Halo can both be right.
PEDs don’t make an average athlete into a good baseball player. But PEDs do give a competitive advantage to one elite player over another elite player, and cheating to get that edge can be the difference between making the show and languishing in the minors.
We all understand that some minor league lifers have talent way above those of us who merely played, for example, in high school.
I know of a major league player who was trying to make the team and he was competing against two other players who were juicing. So he juiced.
You all know who that player is. It’s terrible anyone has to do that.
Caffeine is a performance enhancing drug. Just a less targeted and effective one. Where do you draw the line?
Muscle building drugs for horses. That’s where I draw the line.
They don’t make you see and hit ball good so irrelevant
That’s not true at all. They definitely can improve eyesight.
Mets, they improve bat speed, speed, arm strength and recovery time…at the very least.
But they add 25 feet (or whatever) to every fly ball you hit. THAT’S why BB took them.
So do glasses. And if there is a pill out there that can improve eyesight, then why are we banning it? Shouldn’t everyone be taking it? The average American takes pills for every “algia” under the sun, improving eyesight would actually be something worthwhile to take pills for.
The CBA does not ban LASIK surgery. I assume that owners and players both have an interest to ban PEDs that harm your body. Players should want to ban it so they do not have to use them to compete.
Baseball also allows TRT, nothing like juicing you up to puberty levels (says the guy juiced up to puberty levels).
@ seam
that’s a weak argument. caffeine is not prohibited and lines are constantly drawn. why don’t you just run directly across the diamond from home to 2nd? why doesn’t the catcher just set the batter on fire while he’s got his back turned? I mean that’s a kind of defense too, where do you draw the lines? lol
At one time, all drugs were not prohibited. Cocaine was legal in the early 20th century. There is probably something we are doing right this moment that in 40 years will be looked back at with incredulity. How could people have done that when we know it is so harmful?
Seamaholic. I draw the line at cheating. Breaking the rules is cheating.
No one is secretly drinking coffee.
Caffeine isn’t banned. That’s the difference here.
Sean
Owners and players did not agree that caffeine is a banned substance.
I have not heard many players publicly argue to allow PEDs.
Everyone cheats or has cheated at something in life. But go on thinking you are sitting on some cloud looking down on the rest of us.
Oh that’s it. No one can judge any actions.
Got it. Hey, I’ve been in a fight, who am I to judge the guy that murdered Laken Riley.
I stole a pencil, who am I to judge someone who robbed a bank
Well I think you figured it out. Who are you to judge anyone?
The whole NFL is on steroids and not a soul cares, but everyone is up in arms when one baseball player gets caught. I don’t care if they use them or not. I’m just sorry we’ll be deprived of witnessing half of his rookie season. Other than that I could not care less.
It’s true that less people care about it with NFL players, but couldn’t you just as easily say people should care more about it with the NFL versus less with the MLB? I care about all cheating in all sports. Not all of us have said double standards.
Nobody cares? You don’t follow football. I don’t, but I know who Todd Stussie is.
People get suspended all the time.
Just because everyone has cheated on something – no matter how small – does not mean that consequences for cheating should be forsaken.
I laugh at the guys who want to forgive a young poor foreign ball player for using PEDs but they oppose amnesty and forgiveness for undocumented workers who illegally entered the country.
You can have empathy and still seek consequences to level the competition.
Then you need to find someone else to laugh at because I favor an open door policy at the border as well. They aren’t coming here to do MY job, so why should I care? But that subject doesn’t really belong here
I was not suggesting that the guy get a pass for doing it. I was just suggesting that there could be a much better reason for why he tried to risk it than the average American-born player.
You are right. There should be consequences for Illegals just like baseball has. First time here illegally they are deported and giving a bill for costs and eligibility lost for a year. 2nd time, two year suspension from the USA. 3rd time never being allowed on US soil again. That was a great idea you just had. Same as baseball cheaters for Illegal border crossers.
I laugh at you for thinking peds are cheating
Hiflew
I have empathy for the dirt poor foreign player who cheats. But Noelvi Marte already had one big signing bonus, this is not cheating to get his kids food, medicine or education. Even if one-third of his 1.55 million went to his trainer “Banana” (you can make that name up) and another third to taxes, that leaves $500,000.
mlb.com/news/mariners-prospect-noelvi-marte-on-ris…
seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/mariners-announce…
Mets6986
Personally, I believe in e-verify and self-deportation, and far more drones and agents at the border rather than a wall.
I have no problem with calling undocumented workers “illegals” as long as you call the employers who hire undocumented nannies, farmworkers, etc. call the employers “illegals” as well.
It makes no sense to blame the labor side and not the management side. Enact rigorous e-verify in concert with limited amnesty for those dreamers with a track record of paying taxes and zero criminal record.
Womp womp.
Ouch!
And the Reds vaulted depth thins a bit.
Hate seeing it happen this way, wonder how he failed in his usage? Always find how they get outed interesting.
Nice frees up the Reds crowded inf for fantasy at least.
My first thoughts too haha
Same, feeling a lot better about Steer’s playing time in my keep-15 league.
Steer was already getting enough playing time. CES and India are the beneficiaries.
Benson or Fraley will be pushed into hitting against LHP now…don’t think that;’s a good thing for either though.
Well, that just made the Candelario signing that much more important.
the baseball people are usually smarter than the average fan thinks… now we know why Candelario was playing alot at 3rd… and josh harrison & kemp was signed… when healthy India will get a lot of at bats
The move was motivated by this suspension. The ruling comes months before and it only gets announced after the player has spent months to fight it/settle.
That’s what I suspect as well. I was somewhat surprised when they signed him.
Reynaldo, what is your source for this info?
Gbs42. Suspensions are a drawn out processes. The appeals can take weeks, and they are done in private.
The Reds have known about this for awhile. Of course we don’t know when, but I bet they knew about this before Spring training started.
mlbplayers.com/jda
Anything you want to know is right there.
Test happened when he arrived at camp. He was notified within 72 hours. The Reds have known for a few weeks.
Yada yada unknowingly ingested yada yada tried a different supplement yada yada would never knowingly take a banned substance yada.
The Reds fully support MLBs yada yada
“We will have no further comment”. Well perhaps you should have to deal with the media like everyone else. It’s your player.
Rishi,
“It’s your player?”
The Reds didn’t give him the PEDs.
You answer for the mistakes of people who work for you. You hire them. He is a Red. Therefore one should be able to ask the Reds organizational people about it because it concerns the Reds.
GBs, but they did acquire Montas, so they don’t seem to have a huge problem with it.
I’ve yada yada’d knowingly ingesting a banned substance.
Since its an injection, pretty sure he isn’t going to say it was unknowingly ingested or came from a supplement.
Good point. Pun intended.
Blame the Fed Ex guy
Ryan Braun was the worst!
Maybe he was just trying to treat ringworm
Boy, that never gets old
At least he wasn’t trying to get pregnant.
Marte forgot to phone a friend.
Wonder whether the Reds knew about this and if it played into their offseason decisions – Candelario, India etc
Yes.
He probably wasn’t tested until after Spring Training started. The Reds have probably known for only two or three weeks while they waited for Marte to appeal and get retested. This does not go back months…
Players are tested during the offseason as well
3A(c) – Mandatory and Random Testing – MLB/MLBPA JDA page 13…. All Players will be randomly selected for an unannounced mandatory
urine specimen collection at a randomly selected date and time during the offseason
OK. If Marte had been tested months ago, then he would have suspended then. The test, retest, appeal process only takes a couple of weeks. This test was recent or he wouldn’t even be in ST…
1) where did I say monts ago…I pointed out that players are teasted in the off-season. That could have been Nov or Dec, or even Feb.
2) have you ever read the JDA? Betweem the test results being delivered to the MLBPA which then has 72 hours to tell the play to the scheduling of a “B” sample which then is shipped to the only testing facility used by MLB (in Montreal) to the sceduling of a conference and then a grievence which trigger an automatic appeal (withing 10 days) to that hearing and and decision (within 25 days) to the report being wriiten (within 30 days) then the anoucement to the public.
A couple weeks is optimistic.
Well, that solves that roster problem for the first half of the season…
This makes a bit more sense as to why they kept all of their infield depth in place, and even added to it.
I know the Red have known about this for awhile, but I’m curious as to when they found out.
If they really somehow didn’t know, then I bet they’re pretty greatfuk they made the moves they did, or didn’t make some of then.
Several people said they were ignorant for keeping India, but I’d say that move looks a bit better now..
Still couldn’t bring back Votto how pathetic
Why would they want to pay the full $20 million salary for a broken-down and washed-up Votto? That would be idiotic.
Could’ve bought him back on a minor league deal
Wow, that sucks for reds fans and an idiotic decision by Noelvi. Just because your last name is Marte doesn’t mean you need to act like Starling!
tatis 2.0
Tatis wasn’t taking a needle in the behind like Marte was. Baldenone is an injection. What Tatis tested positive for is in a cream.
What’s the difference? It’s all illegal.
The cream he used is readily available in drug stores in the DR for use on skin conditions and you can use it thinking its for something else. and without knowing what’s in it.
Sticking a needle in your behind is not something you do without knowing you are cheating.
Tatis is doing just fine and so will Marte once this is over.
Tatis will do fine because he is like Bonds. There is an A- version without steroids and maybe an A+ version with steroids. NoeIvi, too early to tell.
Blue Jays fans would gladly give you back Votto. Jays have an abundance of infielders and the idiot GM would probably give you one for a cup of coffee,
Well, that ought to end his career but quick
Oh, and the Reds didn’t know about this beforehand(Candelario and India signings). If they had, they would have traded him faster than you can snap your fingers.
Something tells me a team can’t legally attempt to trade a player with a looming suspension, without informing the other team. And if they tried, mlb would probably void it, and throw a little fine or something to the team for failure to disclose pertinent information.
They just found out today. They signed Candalerio months ago. Even if they “somehow” behind the scenes knew he was doing it, there would be no proof, so they could have traded him since there were no testing results that verified he was on PEDS. They were just about to play him this week. Now the guy has the value of a basket of used baseballs.
Most teams don’t trade guys simply because of PED suspensions. Generally they just hope the guy doesn’t get caught next time.
The biggest reason they are rarely traded after testing positive, is that, now they have no real trade value anymore. As is the case here.
He still has plenty of trade value. What are you talking about?
If he did, they would trade him. Who wants a kid whose performance may have been enhanced by PEDS? How can you judge his “true” ability now? Outside of A Rod, who got caught again, most of these players never come back to their previous form, and those were proven guys more often than not. His trade value today is a microcosm of what was yesterday.
Because he’s probably gonna keep using them and just try harder to not get caught next time. Look at a guy like Cani, getting suspended multiple times ain’t rare.
This might be the best answer, but it still belies the point that his trade value is now dog crap, so they might as well keep him around, and hope he doesn’t get caught again.
People signed Nelson Cruz to 3 contracts after his PEDs and he was positive WAR. Shoot, the Reds just gave millions of dollars to Frankie Montas THIS off-season. I don’t think PED history is their top roster building determinant. Grandal is still getting contracts now, 12 years later. Is this just the first story you’ve ever read about PEDs?
Plenty, nah. Some, yes.
Trade him back to Seattle for a pitcher
But what if he’s unhappy as a Red, and he and the M’s are in collusion. what if the gave him the substance telling him once he’s banned they’ll approach the Reds for a trade.. It’s a joke ya’ll.. just a joke..
Wow what a loser bet last years stats were fraudulent
Who cares?
What a muh-roon.
Legalize it
Very disappointing, he not only affected his own career but the team he plays for due to a bad decision. Even if it was a supplement as many claim, there are many ways to find out what is cleared and what is not prior to putting it in their body.
Reds knew, so they signed Candelario and retained India. Everything makes sense.
Disappointed would be an understatement… and right after Votto signed with the Blue Jays.
Explains a few things
“greatfuk?” What does that even mean? I’ll try using it in a sentence, I dated this girl once & she was very greatfuk I paid for dinner. Ahahaha!
see the infield logjam worked itself out like the reds said
Lol it’s bad enough when you don’t know who a player is but when you only find out who they are after they get suspended for PEDs is even worse lmfaoooooo !!!!!
He’s a top 10 prospect in baseball and has been top 50 since he was signed as a 16 year old. He hit over .300 in his first taste of mlb. If you’ve never heard of him, you’re pretty casual to the sport.
Caught Reds handed
Disappointing. No ROY for him. Tarnishes him as a playerfor Cincy moving forward or even as a trade chip.
I’m a tad vague on the drug policy but, Isn’t 80 games the SECOND penalty and 162 the 3RD? I’m not hip on the drug penalties.
No , 80 is the first.
My thinking was the same, but I guess they changed that. Think 3rd is permanent so that makes sense the 1st would be 80 though.
First is 80, second is 162, third strike and you’re out.
Ask Robinson Cano for more details.
These “they have too many ____” situations tend to work themselves out. This isn’t the normal way, though.
Dang. Between this and the Reds refusal to even give Votto a shot with a minor league deal today has been a real kick to the nuts.
Well that kills the value of my De la Cruz/Marte dual auto baseball card.
How do you think I feel with all my Wander Franco autos? Lol
Yeah, Cincyfan, because that’s the important part of that situation.
It is for me.
But if he signs as a free agent in Boston and makes up a cute nickname like “Big Marte” he can still get into the Hall of Fame with a lower WAR than Ian Kinsler.
SHOTS FIRED
Top 10 comment LOL Ortiz is a stain!
Well now the hometown kid Josh Harrison has a shot to make the team..him or Kemp.
Or Jose Barrero, who has outplayed both of them in Spring.
Barrero has done this before and has never produced. He and Fairchild both look great in ST but they’re both AAA players.
Boldenone is an anabolic androgenic steroid and synthetic derivative of testosterone that was originally developed for veterinary use but has since become one of the more common performance-enhancing drugs that athletes test positive for in sport
ANDRO
Classic stuff from the 1990’s.
Big Mac kept a clearly labeled jar of Androstenedione in a very visible part of his locker.
That trade keeps looking better and better for the Ms.
It looked like a win-win trade until this morning
Give me one slugger that played from 1980 to 2005 that didn’t juice
Frank Thomas
“She’ll like it, too.”
youtube.com/watch?v=X1y4mPTgUEE
Ken Griffey Jr
Griffey cheated. Skinny kid bashing 56 homers, ironically in the steroid era, then watching his body break down like a ’72 Chevy Vega? Frank Thomas probably cheated. Tony Gwynn cheated, too. Late career he starts hitting homers (again, steroid era) then dies at 54? Steroids, kids. Deny it all you want.
Insane
Gwynn died from chewing tobacco. Get your facts straight on that one.
Probably but we’ll never know if it was everyone. The ballplayer brotherhood keeps its secrets. And we cheer them on.
Most of the guys from the 80s. At the time you could see just by looking at them all. Pretty marked difference between Jose Canseco and, say, George Brett or Mike Schmidt.
At about 1993 that became much harder to do.
I didn’t, but then again that could be why I never made the majors because they all were.
Matt Stairs
Jim Thome, Cecil & Prince Fielder
Edgar Martinez.
Bright side: roster crunch solved?
Is there room for Votto now? He would probably tear up the minor league contract he just signed. Make it happen Reds!
Mercenary
Just signed with Blue Jays
Castillo trade continues to look better and better for the Mariners.
Hopefully he learns from this. Such a talented kid who made a mistake…
Correction. Was talented. Now this season is shot, and he will be caught behind other players, and passed by even more in the Reds system. I imagine he will be traded to the A’s in the off season, where he will be stuck in that limbo of disaster, with a AA lineup around him, for a minor league middle reliever.
It was either a mistake or a cheat. Either way, he will live and learn, hopefully, to play another day.
If he had the talent, he wouldn’t have cheated.
This is true, to a point. I don’t think there is a question of talent but more judgment. A decision that will follow him for the rest of his career, however long that will be…
What an idiotic way to smear your professional reputation permanently. He’s still just a kid, and maybe some bad actors in the DR got into him, that place is a hellhole of peds. Rehardless, its a long road back for him, not just 80 games, but re-earning respect of his peers. I hope he can get his head screwed on straight and recover his rep.
Never listen to cousin Sterling.
I suspect this is from testing all players undergo upon reporting for spring training.
As opposed to self-reporting of usage??
This seems to happen with the foreign young players much more often as well
I don’t see the problem with peds and steroids. It made 1998 great. Who cares about the sanctity of this game.Juice world.
*yawn* Then just let the batters hit off of a tee. Why have competition?
Need advice:call Ryan Braun
Now everyone decides to forget about the Stros, we’re not the only ones who cheat…
Clears up some infield surplus they had.
This Week on “The Boldenone & The Beautiful” Ballplayer # 3: “Man… I never seen that syringe in my life, dude!” MLB Cop:”Yeah, yeah. Tell it to the Judge, kiddo.”
Always had a feeling this guy was too good to be true. Glad I was never hit on the league switch or suspension. Just a guy playing for his bloated extension like tatis did.
CES 1B, India 2B, EDLC 3B, McLain SS with JC switching between 1B, 3B & DH.
Wow what is it with the young stars that cant stay away from controversy? Wander’s going away for a while, tatis ruined his career with PEDs, now noelvi!
Difference with tatis is he got paid. Not justifying it myself, but I just see so many similarities between the two. Tatis wasn’t an elite player coming up to the extent marte was projected as early in their careers. Really comes down to hype and prospect evaluation throughout the years.
How did Tatis ruin his career? He’s making big money and is still one of the best players in the game. You people are nuts.
Ok he’ll earn a few bucks
But He’ll never make the HOF
And ruined his reputation forever
Earn a few bucks? If $400 million in 2022 doesn’t set your great-grandkids up to never be uncomfortable, you have terrible financial advisors. Oh no, he missed his 1.5% chance at the HOF in order to do that. The 80 year olds that vote on that corrupt institution probably would’ve snubbed him anyways for his “attitude towards the media”. HOF is not objective and of waning relevance in our culture
The fact that youre defending a cheater and a liar is the reason why these young kids take PEDs. Theres no respect for the game. Its about $. And its the reason baseball went from #1 american sport to about #11. Nobody wants to see guys jacked up on PEDs. Or players banging on cans to win championships. Youre delusional if you dont think mlb has lost way more fans than it gained the last decade and its bec the game is forever tainted. These tiktok athletes are nothing compared to ted williams, jackie robinson, sandy koufax, hank aaron, rickey henderson- real athletes who left it all on the field. Maybe they didnt earn $400 million but they have legacies that will outlive us all. Tatis has no respect for mlb and worst of all no respect for himself
He certainly ruined San Diego that’s for sure
He also missed all of 2022 when SD almost won a WS. He might have been the missing piece. Then came back a shell of himself in ‘23. You’re the one thats nuts
He bankrupted an entire city/organization mlb put a stop on the extra funding requested mainly because of his contract and Prellar being a mad man. Tatis is what he is the roids made him elite he’ll never shed the label anyways and now he’s got to live up to those unrealistic expectations year after year from the contract. But let’s go pat a dude on the back for that steroid story and salute syringes while we’re at it. These guys that juice deserve all the hate in professional sport because it’s for professional and contractual advantages. When things are said and done judge them by the numbers only if and then.
Now we know why the added infield depth. Wonder if any other young exciting reds players are cheating?
Maybe someone on your team is cheating, too.
That’s gonna hurt the value of his /5 card I’ve been holding
Unrelated but can someone explain to me in very simple terms, what the luxury tax hit for the 2040 Dodgers will be for Ohtani, Betts and Freeman? They will be paid $68,000,000 + $11,000,000 + $5,000,000 in “deferred salary” that year.
The tax hit will be $250,099 per year, beginning in 2070. This is because
Dodgers will renegotiate an additional 1 billion in deferred payments between all 3 players, payable to their extended grandchildren beginning anytime after the year 2070. Dodgers will roll 2020 era deferrals into the new deal, extending the tax hits for the whole deal. Deferrals will be escrowed in interest bearing funds, principal being collected by local levies on homeowners and businesses for a 50 yr period. Interest earned accrues 50% to Dodgers 49% to MLB, 0.9% to Anaheim county, and 0.1% to homeowners and businesses. That 0.1% will of course be repatriated to the Dodgers for partial payment to construct a new stadium every 15 years beginning in 2050. Everybody wins!
It would be just that amount as we can assume that there will be a substantial increase in the CBT threshold by then, if it’s still in existence. The Mets are currently paying Bobby Bonilla $1.2MM yearly in deferral money but also effectively paying an additional 110% in tax with team payroll over the fourth threshold.
Bang!! Shot themselves in the foot again! Looks like the perfect re-make of F-Troop.
.280 hitter in the minors? That’s not a recipe for success. If he was using PEDs even then, that means he really wasn’t going to last long in MLB.
Buh Bye!
He just turned 22, Langford and crews are older than him.. history says there’s still growth in the games of 21 year olds. Uninformed take, other than old man yells at clouds mad about PEDs
l’m sure you had good reason.
Son I am disappoint
What’s up Dock?
You left out the “ed” in PED
Candelario signing looks a lot better today
JD Martinez is still out there. Let him DH and hit cleanup. 33 HR and over 100 RBI last season.
The old man can still swing the stick. He would put some numbers up in that lineup/ballpark
I don’t get presuming Krall signed Candelario and made a 2 year deal with India because he knew about Marte months ago. There’s no evidence of that. Because Moll and Young haven’t pitched yet in ST is that why he signed Suter and got Tyler Gilbert on a MiLB contract? Krall knows all his players and is preparing for as many possibilities as he can. He is just proving to be better at his job than Reds fans are familiar with. Now there’s a roster spot open. I hope he’s talking to maybe Adam Duvall’s agent.
I agree with cguy about a return of Duvall. Way better than Kemp or Harrison out there. Also consider Michael Taylor who can play all three spots because if Freidl goes down we have no true CFer. One year deal for either.
Both should have been done a long time ago and I doubt it does now. Total roster construction is a foreign concept as we have seen for two years now.
Foreign in your mind for sure.
A friend brought up a good point. I wonder if the Reds new, it was kept quiet on appeal and this is why the Reds signed Candelario. That signing makes sense now but didn’t then.
IMO Candelario’s signing made sense back then because things like this happen.
This one belongs to the Reds!
Any chance he just had ringworm?
There are smarter ways to get in shape…
No biggie
Not a reds fan but it’s not like they knew he was cheating….. blame the player but not the reds I’m a brewers fan I’ve seen the same thing but don’t blame the team blame the player
Avoidable mistake (at best).
All the Marte’s get busted.
Another Dominican..shocker