The Mets are optioning right-hander Jose Butto to Triple-A Syracuse and will open the season with righty Tylor Megill as their fifth starter, manager Carlos Mendoza announced to the team’s beat this morning (X link via Tim Healey of Newsday). He’ll join Jose Quintana, Sean Manaea, Adrian Houser and Luis Severino in the team’s rotation to begin the season.
Megill, 28, is no stranger to the Mets’ rotation. Injuries elsewhere on the roster led to him making 25 starts for the team last season, and he’d started 27 games combined in the two seasons prior. However, an offseason full of mid-range pitching acquisitions for the Mets — Manaea, Severino and Houser all joined the team this winter — pushed Megill back down the depth chart. Were it not for right-hander Kodai Senga’s shoulder injury, he’d likely have been ticketed for Syracuse himself.
Instead, Megill competed with Butto and did enough to convince the team he was the preferred option. Both righties pitched well. Megill has tossed 15 2/3 innings and held opponents to six runs on a dozen hits and four walks with 16 strikeouts. Butto yielded just one run in 10 innings and turned in a sharp 9-to-2 K/BB ratio. Megill is the older and more experienced of the two, and he’ll get the first look in rotation while Senga is sidelined. In 263 1/3 big league innings over the past three seasons, Megill has posted a 4.72 ERA, 22.3% strikeout rate, 8.6% walk rate, 42.9% ground-ball rate and 1.50 HR/9.
Megill has flirted with a long-term rotation spot before and will again get a chance to prove himself to Mets higher-ups early in the 2024 campaign. Senga has yet to resume throwing, as his initial three-week shutdown has been stretched at least another seven to ten days. He’ll need to fully build his arm strength back up whenever he’s cleared to throw. That’ll likely be a weekslong process. Megill ought to have the first month of the season to make a positive impression. It’s always possible injuries crop up elsewhere on the starting staff and extend that window; Severino and Quintana, in particular, have had their share of health troubles in recent seasons.
As for Butto, he’ll head to Syracuse to begin the season but may not be down long. The Mets, as Healey points out, have a stretch of 13 games without an off-day early in their season and could look for a spot starter along the way. Butto is expected to be the next man up in the rotation and would be the leading candidate for that role, if needed. In 42 innings with the Mets last year, Butto logged a 3.64 ERA with a 21.2% strikeout rate, 12.8% walk rate, 42.2% grounder rate and 0.64 HR/9. He was hit hard in 19 Triple-A starts last year but posted solid numbers between Double-A and Triple-A back in 2022. He’s entering his final minor league option year and is still controllable for six seasons.
Tom the ray fan
Take your butto back to Binghamton
Bill M
Which, I guess is somewhat close to Syracuse.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
It is a tough call Megill over Butto. You could easily choose Butto.
Megill has more experience. For Buttos long term benefit he could work on some things in AAA but it’s not really necessary
.I believe they both have options (Butto this last year). They cant afford to lose either with their thin pitching. I think it is a case the NYM need and want both but there are only so many roster spots.
Both pitchers may go back and forth during the year, not because they are pitching bad but more due to injuries and poor results.
I expect both will need to make a positive contribution for the NYM to win in the neighborhood of 85 wins
JackStrawb
“Megill has more experience.” Yes, and most of it is simply bad. 4.72 ERA, career, w/ a 4.65 FIP. 2023 was his worst year by far, by FIP,, giving up 10H/9.
With Megill it’s rather like saying “he’s been the driver in a dozen car accidents, so he has a lot of experience.”.
vtadave
Gotta be some jokes to be had here…Butto?
Wrian Washman
They can always massively overpay Lorenzen like 15M so the MLBPA will be happy.
YankeesBleacherCreature
That figure would be in line with what other one-year contract pitchers signed for this offseason. Lorenzen is holding out for more years.
Wrian Washman
Montas and Severino have a bit better history as a starter than Lorenzen wouldn’t ya figure?
YankeesBleacherCreature
But they’re also on pillow contracts. Lorenzen was mostly healthy last season with 25 GS whereas the two barely pitched. If you want someone to eat innings, $15MM for him isn’t a stretch for only one year.
Wrian Washman
Sorry can’t convince me he’s worth that. Can’t convince teams either apparently. 8-10M tops boo hoo how will marginally above average players survive.
CCooper8920
That sucks for Jose, he worked his ass off
YankeesBleacherCreature
If he can keep his walks down in AAA, I’m sure he’ll be up in no time.
User 401527550
Probably within a week or two.
Armaments216
Regular solid production
geofft
@ Armaments216 He wasn’t in the majors long enough to call anything he did regular. 42 innings is just too small a sample size. He was highly inconsistent in the minors, and I suspect that played a role in the decision.
Armaments216
So Mets staff are still assessing the regularity of Butto’s solid production?
phenomenalajs
And determining whether anything needs to be added to supplement it.
C Yards Jeff
Hey Mets staff. If you don’t want him, Orioles would be happy to take him off your hands. Stowers for Butto straight up?
geofft
@Armaments216 1) Yes. Why is that so curious to you?
Lots of young players do well for a short spurt at first. Then the league figures them out and starts crushing them. 2) this is really a total non-issue. Opening day rosters are not locked in. Players can and are moved up and down due to performance or lack thereof.
2a) We’re talking about the substitute for the 5th starter spot. That spot is, almost by definition, transient, as most of the pitchers assigned to that role aren’t usually good enough to hold it all year long.
Armaments216
@geofft you’re absolutely right. I was just making a stupid joke.
JackStrawb
In fact it wasn’t. The Mets have had Megill and Butto (and Peterson and Lucchesi et al) in their system for YEARS.
If they don’t know what they have by now, they’re beyond hopeless.
Consider they had a combined 22 years to teach just one of JD Davis, Mauricio, Baty, and Vientos to field even one position, and they couldn’t do it.
On the positive side Stearns is probably bright enough to fire the right people and get this sorted out, but it may take a while. Who knows what kind of data this pitiful organization has going back to, say, 2018 when Megill first arrived. It may be fundamentally useless.
n888
Buttoff?
Tacoshells
Congrats Tyler
MetsSchmets
He’s TylOr for some weird reason
Dorothy_Mantooth
Joey Buttafuco got the shaft
Robrock30
The Mets treat Jose Butto like he’s chopped liver but he’s way better than Magilla Gorilla lol. Mets are still run by the same incompetent FO as with Wilpons.
Oh and Starling Marte will start in RF why because $ 40 MM reasons.
MetsSchmets
Hey EVERYONE BOBROCK DOESN’T LIKE THE METS FO
Marte makes $19.5 mil/year + deferred signing bonus comes to $20.75/year not $40 million LOL.
What’s your point btw, that the Mets are scared to eat contracts? That’s pretty idiotic; see Verlander, Justin and Scherzer, Max.
Waymann
@Mets As an outside observer (O’s fan), I agree that the Mets brass gets unfairly criticized on some accounts like Marte (and especially Lindor). They get enough valid criticism that there’s no need for people to go looking for extra.
Marte did have a down year last year but that was a rare blip in an otherwise great career and he put up near all-star level numbers in 2022.
Particularly for the Magill vs Butto situation, this outcome seems super predictable. I’d have to imagine Magill is out of options at this point so putting him on waivers in what’s anticipated to be a down year for the Mets seems counterproductive. It’s not like a few extra starts from Butto would be the difference in them making or not making the playoffs or anything like that.
geofft
Actually, Megill does still have options left. But he has more experience, and the Mets brass seems to believe in him more, to begin with. There was certainly a pro-Megill bias here, he also pitched quite well this spring – well enough that he wasn’t going to be pushed aside by someone who is literally just one day over rookie eligibility.
Old York
Decent 5th starter with an FRA of 4.79 in 2023.
All the best in his 2024 season.
JackStrawb
@Old York That’s in a pitcher’s park. The career 87 ERA+ is representative of his skills.
Short of doing something very differently, that’s an emergency starter on an mildly serious contender. Consider the 2021 Astros gave 3 starts to pitchers with below league average ERAs. The 2021 Dodgers had 2 such starts.
Old York
Again, what do you want from a 5th starter? 0.01 ERA? Honestly, the league ERA is around 4.30. Mets aren’t going anywhere this year so they could do worse.
CarryABigStick
Well, if that isn’t your NL East winning rotation right there..oh wait, it isn’t.
User 401527550
Yes joke but the Mets pitchers outperformed the league in spring training by a lot.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
Citing spring training stats when facing guys from AA is, um, something. Lol
MetsSchmets
In his last 3 games he was pitching against terrible AA losers like Paul Goldschmidt, Nolan Arenado, Wilson Contreras, Josh Bell, Luis Arraez, Jake Burger, and Jazz Chisholm. Lol
User 401527550
Are the other teams not facing the same competition? So they will magically get better with better competition and the Mets will get magically worse. Lol.
Johnny Devil
What a horrible big league rotation. The Mets should be ashamed.
MetsSchmets
Any data to back that up? Like why specifically should this professional organization feel shame?
Johnny utah
70-92 muts record this yr
User 401527550
That’s just being ridiculous.
MetsSchmets
Johnny Utah
Dude. We get it. You don’t think they’re gonna have a good idea and you like the call them the Mutts. We got it. Everyone here is aware of your ability to make amazing jokes.
Also they got rid of like 7 negative WAR players so why you think they’d be 5 games under last seasons total is silly in it of itself. That doesn’t even factor in the several defensive and bullpen upgrades but ok… “The Mutts”
Johnny utah
The f is a war player
Muts fans continue to be schmucks
Did that franchise ruin everybody’s career yet?
MetsSchmets
You don’t even have the requisite skills to have a conversation about how wrong you are.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
@Johnny Utah Solid prediction. I’m a little more optimistic, I have them at 76 wins right now but I can see lower. The manager might be one of the worst in baseball and he hasnt even managed a major league game yet. Poorly constructed roster as well
Johnny utah
@LFGmets
Yup signed useless vets
The most exciting young player tore his acl, out all yr
Senga career likely finished
Didnt trade alonso for prospects
Hired nobody nothing useless manager who cant coach little league let alone majors
Meanwhile all time high payroll, still paying bobby another decade, and the most underwhelming results. Anyone remember that Who song “meet the new boss, same as the old boss” ?
MetsSchmets
@Johnny Utah
Dude you’re not even responding to the right person, clearly you mixed blood pressure meds with alcohol or something because you seem dizzy.
How the hell is Bobby Bonilla a black mark against Steve Cohen/David Stearns? That was 300 years ago.
Useless Vets? Do you think its 2023?? We’re about to start 2024 bro get it together.
Senga career likely finished…LMAO bro it’s 3 months chill out with your emotions.
Most exciting player is Mauricio? This is objectively the worst take. Alvarez, Jett, Houck are all more exciting and we also have a 2 way player who is looking legit.
Hired a nobody manager? What?? Who would you have hired??
Doomer boomers are insufferable because you just complain about anything and everything
namarino41
How the hell is Senga’s career over? And I’m pretty sure Mauricio will be back later this year. What the hell are you talking about dude?
All of these people saying this team is going to be terrible are just bitter morons. They’re offense is very good. They’re defense is a big upgrade from last year, even 2022. They quietly put together a strong bullpen. The only question is going to be their starting rotation, which honestly is a mix of some solid arms and some high risk/high reward. Senga will be back at some point which will be a big upgrade.
I can’t wait for all of you naysayers to be proven wrong.
namarino41
Also, “didn’t trade Alonso”? What are you going to get if you trade Alonso? Alonso has been one of the most prolific homerun hitters in Mets’ history. Teams dream of getting prospects that are anywhere near as productive as Alonso. Why in the world would you trade a known quantity like that for players who, at the end of the day, are just prospects. You have no idea if they’ll pan out or not. And where does that logic end? When one of those players turns into something special, do you just trade them for more prospects? When do you actually decide to win?
MetsSchmets
“Solid prediction”? Based on what? Literally provide any piece of data you can find.
“Worst manager in baseball” // “hasn’t managed a game yet”
Do you see how stupid this is? Its actually beyond stupid… It’s pre-stupidity. You’re front loading your stupidity. At least let the Mets go 0-1 before you start foaming at the mouth
Johnny utah
@metsschmet
Another muts schmuck living in lala land…
Sad….
MetsSchmets
I’m in LaLa land? You can’t provide any evidence for anything you say. You have no facts or stats. You cannot make an argument for any of your opinions…. If anyone is living in a bubble of make believe it’s you bro
Johnny utah
Ok enough with you knuckleheads
Bookmark my comments and revisit in september
I dont need to wait that long to know exactly whats going to happen
Have fun watching the muts
MetsSchmets
Ok Johnny have a great 6 months and try not to comment about the Mutts until then kthnxbye
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
@MetsSchmets you don’t have a clue. I’ve been right with all my pre season predictions for the past 6 years. Last year could have been the first year I was incorrect, I had them winning 81 games and missing the playoffs. They won around 75 games. If you want to say I was wrong you can but I was the only one to say that the team wasn’t any good. This team is clearly worse than last year. I like their new bullpen, its going to be much better than last year
MetsSchmets
Listen man I don’t care about your nonsense predictions. I’m telling you what the team did based on production value stats.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
If things break right for them.
PoisonedPens
That’s hardly Scherzer, Verlander and Senga, In fact it’s more like a post-Seaver trade rotation, with Pat Zachry holdin’ it down!
MetsSchmets
PoisonedPens
I know ERA isn’t everything but Scherzer + Verlander has a combined 3.58 for the Mets last year. That’s completely within the realm of possiblility for this staff.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
No, that isn’t possible for this rotation as a whole.
MetsSchmets
Why?
User 401527550
How do you figure? Senga had a 2.95 ERa last year. Severino has had multiple years around 3. Manaea was in the low 2 for the 2nd half of last season. How is Mid threes not possible?
MetsSchmets
Wait I didn’t phrase that correctly I think. I didn’t mean a staff ERA could beat 3.58, I meant to say our front 2 starters weren’t as good as they should’ve been AND overall the staff era could beat the 4.3 they had last year
PoisonedPens
Fair enough, but the Mets would need a lot of things to go right for that to happen. And head to head, that Mets rotation does not line up against division rivals. I think I’d even prefer the upside of the Nats youngish rotation to the mediocrity of the Mets pending Senga’s eventual return.
User 401527550
Well Senga is on his way back now. Just got cleared to start ramp up.
Big whiffa
Not surprised. Butto stinks !
MetsSchmets
Big Wiffa on that take.
He only just turned 26 literally yesterday. He only got 40 something innings last year but his 3.64 ERA was better than Max Scherzers and he accumulated more WAR than Megill who had 3x as many innings His ERA through this spring was 0.90 through 10 innings.
Hes not coming north right away because he still has options on his contract and it was not performance based.
Big whiffa
It was a butt hole joke. Thx for making me explain it lol
BucksPackersBrewersWow!
The Mets don’t know squat about Butto. The guy could be a great pitcher, but the Mets don’t give a crap. He’s going to wipe out a lot of hitters when he gets to AAA. Not a poopular decision.
sfes
Impressive pun work
Mrski
Last place team. The new owner is a fraud
MetsSchmets
They aren’t the last place team
PoisonedPens
They are closer to last than first.
MetsSchmets
Not in last
PoisonedPens
Correct. Or incorrect,
Every team in the NL East is 0-0 right now.
The Mets are all equally close to first and last.
MetsSchmets
No. What you said is wrong. You’ve have made a wrong statement. Good day.
namarino41
A fraud? lol So the guys spends hundreds of millions of dollars in the last 2 years to try to win and people complain he’s spending too much. This year, he’s being more reserved in his spending and waiting for next year’s class of free agents and he’s a fraud? My goodness, I just don’t get what you people want. Go root for another team if you hate this one so much.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Mr Ski
The new owner is not Freud. TFTFY
User 2161944466
A team that has a 1-5 of Nimmo, Lindor, Alonso, Marte and McNeil is going to put up some runs. They may not have the pitching this year, but after a quick reset, they’ll be in the playoff conversation again.
BCleveland3381
Meh. They didn’t score all that well last year. Marte looks old. McNeil has been up and down. Really need a step forward from Alvarez and a bounceback from at least McNeil. This team just doesn’t have the feel of one that can compete with top teams in the NL.
BCleveland3381
Without Senga, the Mets rotation is one of the worst 5 rotations in baseball. It’s horrendous.
MetsSchmets
Id rather have the Mets rotation instead of Pirates, As, Nats, Rockies, or White Sox, even if everyone pitches to their projections. Mets at least have guys with potential for resurgence.
BCleveland3381
Who? Severino? Hasn’t been good AND healthy in like 6 years. Quintana is a decent mid rotation guy. Houser, Manaea, and Megill are all 5th starters. I don’t see this rotation eating enough innings to keep the bullpen from drowning. And even if you’re right, and it’s there are 5 better rotations, this one doesn’t looked to be very good. I get why they didn’t spend, and don’t necessarily disagree with Stearns, but this year is going to hurt.
MetsSchmets
Severino had a like a 3.2 ERA across 300 innings that proceeded last season then it jumped to over 6, clearly he was tipping pitches because he hasn’t lost any velocity or spin. It looks like he already corrected it by the ST results but we’ll see.
Manaea had a really solid 2nd half after visiting driveline and now his FB is like 96-97 and looking formidable.
Houser is a pitch to contact guy who will now will benefit from a more solid defense behind him.
Megill up till now is definitely a 5th starter for sure but he’s at the age where IF he’s ever going to figure out how to be consistently better than he’s been it is likely to be soon.
I’m hopeful 1-2 of these guys will beat projections but a noteworthy margin.
dmbphils27
No way Jose
Seaver rules
Mets starting staff will look much different next year. Quintana, Houser will be gone. Sevy most likely will be gone unless he somehow reaches 25 starts. Mendoza loves him. Manea may be traded at the deadline. So there’s a good chance you’re looking at Senga, McGill and possibly 3-4 of these guys. Butto, Scott, Hamel, Vasil and Stuart. There not buying Starting pitching if there resigning Alonso, and making a run at Soto. Next winter and spring are going to be a lot more interesting than this one.
JackStrawb
@Seaver rules Next year will be similar, only worse in the sense that there won’t even be $60-70m spent on a passel of below average FAs on one year deals. The Mets are using 2025, a year in which they wouldn’t be contending anyway (short of a $450 million payroll), to get under what will then be the $243 LT threshold. They already have around $186m committed to salaries in 2025 after factoring in likely arb awards of $15m, total. They’re up to $200m if Manaea accepts his player’s option. There won’t be room to buy nearly enough players to contend. Figure roughly $50m. Two good, not great, FAs aren’t going to put this team over.
The Mets nucleus of actually good players is all old, except for Alvarez, who has yet to show much more than promise. They’ll be buying 1 through 4 in the rotation on the FA market for the next 5 years.
The upside is that the Mets will have to play a lot of young or fringe players in 2025, which is invariably more interesting than watching Adrian Houser give up 3 ER in 4-2/3 innings.
Enjoy the wait. It won’t be until 2026 at the earliest, and probably not until 2027 that the Mets even have a chance to be serious contenders.
Meanwhile their post-prime nucleus of 6 players declines by about 3 wins a year. That means they have to churn out an Alvarez-caliber prospect every single year just to break even.
Incredibly enough, next winter is going to be far less interesting than this one—dull as it was in the Mets sense.
Monkey’s Uncle
He calls himself Lil
But everyone knows him as Nancy
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Interesting, I think Butto has more upside personally.
Wellpact
The Mutts will always be the Mutts, new owner or not. Braves are the team to watch in that division, a lot more fun to watch regardless of wins. Steve Cohen is butt!