Both Blake Snell (Giants, Yankees) and Jordan Montgomery (Red Sox) have had their teams to which they’ve been frequently connected throughout the offseason, but the opening of spring training has brought about some new suitors — at least… according to their agent. Scott Boras tells USA Today’s Bob Nightengale that four clubs who hadn’t been active suitors for Snell and Montgomery have checked in on the pair of lefties since camps opened in mid-February (X link).
On the one hand, it’s a wholly unsurprising comment. Both pitchers remain unsigned with seemingly limited markets — at least, insofar as who could offer them the of long-term deal or (in Snell’s case), short-term, opt-out laden, high-AAV deal they’re reported to be seeking. As such, it’s only natural their representative would work to dispel the notion that there are few viable landing spots.
On the other, there’s also surely at least some truth to the statement. Spring training annually brings about pitcher injuries of note. Already, we’ve seen Orioles starter Kyle Bradish diagnosed with a UCL sprain that will impact his availability for the regular season and could portend a long-term absence, depending how he progresses after receiving a platelet-rich plasma injection. Mets righty Kodai Senga has been diagnosed with a capsule strain in his shoulder and is expected to open the year on the injured list. The Astros announced some early shoulder concern for Justin Verlander and J.P. France, though both righties have progressed well since. The Giants will be without fifth starter Tristan Beck for quite some time as he undergoes surgery to treat an aneurysm in his shoulder.
The shifting of contract goals for the pair of lefties is sure to bring about new interest as well. Several reports over the past week have indicated that Snell is increasingly amenable to a short-term deal with a high annual value and multiple opt-out opportunities. Fellow Boras clients Cody Bellinger and Matt Chapman signed similar deals. Montgomery, by most accounts, is still looking for a long-term arrangement, but it’s only natural for teams to check the extent to which (if any) his ask on a long-term pact might have fallen. It also bears mentioning, of course, that a team reaching out to inquire on where things stand with a player’s market is far from the same as expressing legitimate interest in meeting what’s sure to be an enormous asking price on either left-hander.
The further the potential length of a contract drops, the more additional suitors could join the fray. The Twins’ original signing of Carlos Correa, for example, only came about after it became clear he’d be open to a three-year deal with multiple opt-outs. Reports all offseason suggested the Cubs were reluctant to go too long-term on Bellinger, but he wound up back at Wrigley Field once he pivoted to the short-term route. Any lower-payroll club with a win-now mindset and ample payroll space in the short-term could perhaps convince itself to stretch beyond comfort levels in 2024 if it means signing a player who’d be wholly out of their price range under more conventional market conditions.
Suffice it to say, there’s ample reason to take Boras’ comments with a hefty grain of salt — but it’s also surely true that circumstances surrounding the rotation mix of several clubs have changed. Whether that leads to any new offers remains to be seen. Even with Bradish ailing, for instance, MASNsports.com’s Roch Kubatko writes that he’d be “floored” if the Orioles pursued a short-term opt-out-laden deal with Montgomery and adds that any high-profile free agent addition remains very unlikely in Baltimore.
“New teams”. Scott is trying hard to drum up business.
phillies are the only new team in mlb with legit interest. wouldnt be surprised seeing phillies and giants walk away with yhe last two big FAs
Phillies just committed to Zack Wheeler though, I don’t know the exact numbers but the luxury tax going forward must be pretty brutal. Giants looked poised to make it happen but I’m not sure who else will pay up unless the Red Sox or the Angels change course.
Wheeler, Nola, and Snell makes a pretty formidable rotation in a short series.
And an extremely expensive one, depends on what the Phillies are willing to spend of course.
As for Montgomery, it seems more like posturing. I see him waiting for Boston or going back to Texas. Yankees and Mets are spending $40m+ for 24. Two teams that could reassess in my view are Philly and Baltimore if he will take a straight one year pillow deal.
We havent gotten the details of the Wheeler extension. Add in Nola and Walkers contracts. How much can one team put toward the starting rotation.?
Sorry Phillies fans, getting Snell is not happening.
JMO.
Texas said they were done spending. I believe CY on that one.
3/126 starting in 2025
But Texas keeps insisting they can’t take on any more money of significance.
Snell is every bit as good as yamamoto and the philles went big there. Dumbrowski is always waiting and the owner is always willing to spend big especially short term. Snell makes 3 and I love it.
Maybe not but another fan of another team not in it,doesn’t change the fact the philles are always players.
Ya got that right. Almost 100m a year for those three.
After being part of a WS-winning team last season, I’ve wondered if Montgomery would actually prefer to sign with a team that’s considered to be a somewhat likely (at minimum) or probable playoff team in 2024.
Ranger has an immaculate postseason record. It almost seems redunant.
They were going to extend wheeler regardless. They saved money by not resigning Hoskins, call it 30ish million. Offer Snell 30-33 mil per for 2 yrs with an opt out clause after yr 1 to test FA if the win now Phillies don’t win now.
Blake Snell, in the four seasons sandwiched around his 2 CY Young seasons, averaged under 5 innings (414 inn/85 starts= 4.87, a little over 4 2/3 innings per start) in his 85 starts. An awful lot of money to commit to someone who needs 4 innings of bullpen behind him. Sure, when he’s good, he’s very good. But he doesn’t last long in those years he isn’t really good.
@dewey
Appreciate your point but why on earth does someone like Monty need a one year “prove it” deal?
3/$126M. for Wheeler. Phillies are over the second tier for CBT and any signing of Snell would put them over the third tier. That would make him a very expensive signing.
Giants might up the ante on say a 5-year with opt outs for Montgomery, although Zaidi is squeamish about anything over 3,
I really like Montgomery but he’s historically not been an ace level pitcher. I look at him long term as a solid 3 possibly pushing into a 2 slot. Don’t have to take my opinion, Montgomery has not been able to sign an ace type contract despite not having a qualifying offer attached to him. A shorter term deal would give him the ability to show that this assessment is wrong, and possible signal to teams that he is worth a bigger commitment.
@King Snell is going into age 32 season whereas Yamamoto is going into age 25 season.
I’m in no way saying age is the end all be all. Verlander just won a Cy Young at age 39 in 2022. As far as longterm deals, Yamamoto is the exponentially better option for teams to have been targeting for a longterm deal opposed to Snell.
I’d guess Wheeler would not have got the extension had Yamamoto been signed. So it is a different landscape now then when they pursued Yamamoto. I do think teams like Phillies, Braves, M’s, Cubs, Reds, O’s should be looking at Snell closer now though. A high AAV short term deal with opt outs could be quite appealing to all of them.
Short term I like Snell right there with yamamoto. But I agree the age difference is valid if the philles were talking long term.
Pohle, Obviously not.
pretty hard to shoehorn a guy that expensive onto the roster at this point, but the phillies took care of prior business by reaching an agreement with their top pitching priority, wheeler. now they can negotiate a perhaps incentive-laden deal with opt outs for a top starter, but who else has been as proactive at this time?
Neither of the two is as good as Zack Wheeler, regardless of age.
Well, Snell does have 2 Cy Youngs. I think the argument could be made that he is better than Wheeler. I wouldn’t put Montgomery above Wheeler though. Or really anywhere near him.
I’d rather have Wheeler. They are both electric, but Wheeler offers way more volume of innings.
Last three years cumulative WAR Zack 12.0 Blake 9.5 Jordan 5. Blake is outstanding, but Zack is better.
According to one stat, yes that is true. But there are many different ways of looking at things. No one stat is all encompassing, no matter how hard they try.
“The argument could be made”…You can pretty much “argue” any point you like, but that doesn’t change the fact that #1 guys like Gerrit Cole and Zack Wheeler are on a level well above Snell.
Yeah, Cole and Wheeler are tier-1 aces while guys like Snell or Gray are tier-2 aces. All are “#1’s” in my opinion, but should be classified differently.
That doesn’t change the fact, because that is not a fact at all. That is your opinion. ANY rankings of any players is always just the opinion of someone. Even rankings that are based on specific statistic are still just an opinion because someone has to judge what is included in that statistic and the weight of said ingredients. It is all just an opinion.
And consistency.
F to saberstats. Montgomery outperforms expectations and has done it in big games
@hlflew
Are you addressing me there?
Montgomery had an ERA of 9 in the ALDS last year and an ERA of 6 in the World Series.
Hey Boras, is that you?
2 cy Youngs and top 5 stuff your peripherals aside. His stuff is top 3 in mlb.
No. I was replying to a comment that is no longer there. You laid out a perfectly fine opinion. I don’t agree with it, but that doesn’t make you wrong either.
King Bubba. His stuff is great. His command, consistency and durability suck.
The four years between Cy Young. 104 innings a year and an OPS+ of 104. The most innings he pitched was 128.
Paying full price for that is nuts.
Gray is kind of tier 3.
“Tier-1 aces while guys like Snell” Excellent analysis and very well stated.
I could see that argument. Depends on whether he repeats last year’s performance. I think the development of the sweeper is real, but we’ll see.
“In my opinion”…don’t forget that part.
Montgomery had an ERA of 9 in the ALDS last year and an ERA of 6 in the World Series.
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How did he do in the other series?
My point Joe is if he were really clutch, you wouldn’t have that variance.
Small sample sizes are just noise. People throw around the word clutch like it has meaning, but under casual scrutiny, it seldom does.
It’s Buddha and you pay for his lights out stuff and on a philles staff he will pitch 180 plus.
Well said. WAR is not the Higgs boson particle that some people claim it to be.
Yeah,, reaching out for one year deals.
You couldn’t have said it better.
I’m all for free agents doing well but the market dictates what you’re worth and Boras has grossly overplayed his hand this off season.
Bellinger got a $30 million salary and will be a FA again after 2024. That is $8-10 million more than anyone expected he would get.
He is now in line for a much larger long term deal as long as he can repeat 2023 levels of performance. Another 133 OPS+/134 wRC+ season with .500 SLG and a 4+ WAR and he is getting paid $30 million AAV on an 8-10 year deal.
Boras played his hand quite well.
But you also need to give kudos to Sleepy Jed for waiting out the market.
Kudos for paying 30% more for 2024 and then losing him? Ok.
Most projections had Bellinger in the $25M to $30M range for and six to eight years.
This is not a win for Bellinger.
ALL the estimates were for $20-22 million AAV including this website which had 12/264. NONE were in the $25-30 million range. It is a huge win for Bellinger.
LOL a 1 year deal is not what pitchers want.
@Pads Fans
Hasn’t Bellinger been guaranteed $80 million by the Cubs. And estimates on MLBTR amongst others were talking $264 million.
I don’t see being $184 million down and one bad injury from the end being a huge win….
Pads Fans4 hours ago
Kudos for paying 30% more for 2024 and then losing him? Ok.
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Great signing in 2023 being your point?
Pads Fans3 hours ago
ALL the estimates were for $20-22 million AAV including this website which had 12/264. NONE were in the $25-30 million range.
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Of course, The shorter the deal, the higher the AAV.
Bit that doesn’t make it better,
Years maybe Dollars no
@reds
This. And because of it, we get to continue this song and dance.
Farhan: “We’re pretty much set as a team (if you ignore that we said that before signing 3b Chapman which is less of a need than a pitcher like Snell).”
Boras: “No problem! We have other suitors anyway (which isn’t surprising if we lower our initial sky-high offering to something that can be matched by more teams).”
Scott, you realize starting pitchers need to ramp up activities with their respective new teams, right? New teammates, new catchers, new head coach, new pitching coach, new strength and conditioning coach, and oh BTW a whole new analytics department.
They have to move their families to a new city.
I’ve never understood the cavalier approach that Boras takes with these late signings. It’s March.
And we all know history is not on Boras’ side. Except for Bryce Harper, his late signings are not ones to write home about…
mlbtraderumors.com/2024/01/boras-clients-who-signe…
If Scott’s lips are moving, you can be assured he’s lying.
I heard Boras has a degree from the University of P.T. Barnum. jk.
Every picture you see he is usually smirking and of full of hubris.
But seriously with negotiating there are a lot of similarities with Poker, Bluffing, out right falsehood, exaggerating. deception/manipulation etc.
Technically he is ~ probably ~ not lying but only because there seems to be some hope Snell or Monty may begrudgingly accept a shorter term contract with opt outs and a higher AAV
Scott Boras, (fictitious movie characters based on real world people) Wall Sreet. Gordon Gekko and the Wolf on Wall Street. and Jerry McGuire is kind of like the phrase “Life imitates Art” or Vice Versa.
It could be a Korean, Japanase, Italian or Australian league.
@yagotta
I thought Boras degree was from t Rump Univ.
@Dogbone
I give much more credit to Boras than Trump – the only thing in common they have is the same orangutan orange barber.
I’m yet to see Boras in court. An agent is like any trade from a team point of view – you’ll get some wrong…
Snell will never have more value, he will take any longer term deal that presented. He missed out on the Yankees opportunity
New teams at a lower price.
I don’t think the AAV will be lower but the number of years may be fewer. Actually, the AAV may be higher.
Surprised this isn’t his bff Heyman reporting this.
There will be one soon enough, with mystery team showing interest in either Snell or Montgomery.
Teams reached out to tell Boras
I AINT PAYING NO FIFTY CENTS FOR YOUR COME!!!! SMH
Word is that Madison Bumgarner wants to make a comeback. Now the entire MLB pitching universe is upside down.
You’re a Giants fan, would you take Bumgarner on a league minimum deal? All his success came as a Giant. Just wondering…
I’d take a flyer on Madbum
It’s very similar to their logic to not pursue a reunion with BCraw. The upside is not worth the downside of having to DFA a franchise icon. Better to leave things as they are. If either wants to sign a one day contract to retire as a Giant later on, that is a completely different story.
As a Giants’ fan I would not take Bumgarner on a league minimum deal, nor would I take him on a MiL deal, even without an invite to ST.
Bumgarner hasn’t been above average since 2919, and then only by about 7%. His peak was in 2016 when his ERA+ was 146. Last season it was 43, a drop of 103 points.
Jean Matrac- I’m not a Giants fan per se but I live in the Central Coast of CA, my kids, my neighbors etc are all Giants fans. I like to see that Org do well.
I’m with you on your MadBum decision. I’m a Mariners fan and I’ve seen that same steep decline in (one of the best players to ever wear an M’s jersey) Felix Hernandez. The results and the lack of “stuff” doesn’t lie. Time to put that stud out to pasture.
Yeah, I think King Felix is a good comp. Both were awesome at their peaks, but the declines seem to have come rapidly.
Loch Ness Monster want three fifty to pitch.
Apparently, either I can’t type or I am unable to use the Abbreviation for Coca Cola lol
Too many words to state the obvious. Boras will get them signed, it’s what he does. Now to their desired amounts, I highly doubt it.
He’s at the stage where he has teams bid against themselves based on an imaginary market. The Wheeler signing leads me to believe Snell would be a very short rental due to luxury tax hits.
It’s only going to piss off the teams even more…
Bora$$ is now reaching….. he misread the Market (Again)…. Next season’s top Free Agents need to think again about using Scottyboy….. his act is getting old.
Boras BS. Next he’ll pay a couple of scribes to “link” his overpriced clients to new teams.
Get life. Why print this stuff?
He gets his clients signed. Half the time its with the mystery team, not eh one that MLBTR and other outlets name.
Why the inane hatred for the best agent in the sport?
Because he is an arrogant, accusatory, pompous, self serving individual. You can do a good job as an agent without those qualities. Plenty do. And it’s awesome to see them take the stage.
So you have the inane hatred for him too. Thanks for verifying that.
Noticed you had to create a new account because they banned you on your last one. How long until this one gets banned too?
Ha ha ha. So hurtful.
Cmon, you can do better than that.
But to answer it. Probably not long.
As a person, absolutely. Arrogant, I know everything people are the absolute worst people to be around.
I’m not surprised you are a fan. Birds of a feather.
I don’t hate Boras. It seems like his agency used to do a little better at their shtick. He’s cost some solid free agents quite a bit of money the past few years by gambling and avoiding extensions. I believe several have left.
He has more players and more money under contract this offseason than at any time in the past.
He picks up more than he loses.
lol best agent and he can’t get his players contracts
Do you actually believe Snell and Montgomery will not get signed for 2024? lol
I’ll believe there’s interest in both Snell and Montgomery–at a reasonable price and duration. Do I think that 17 GM’s are surrounding the Boras office with pitchforks, torches, and canvass bags full of money, demanding to be let in? Perhaps not.
The few interested teams are standing firm. Then poof, the classic Boras “Mystery Team(s).” There it is!!!
Half the time is the mystery team that signs his client.
“Half the time is”…This year the “mystery team” may be in Japan or Korea, as Scott Boras tries to pull a hat out of a rabbit.
As this comes out, Sonny Gray exits early to right hamstring tightness. Gausman has shoulder fatigue.
Jon Morosi now scanning flight passenger lists.
You don’t throw out a 100 million deal when Sonny Gray or Gausman have an injury.
You maybe throw out a 3/78 deal with opt outs for Snell and 4/75 for Monty
Dodgers should be all over either one and hope for the player to take the opt out
Last time they did a short term/high AAV deal: Trevor Bauer. How did that end for them?
So you don’t throw out a 100 million, but you do throw out 78M? When you factor in the loss of comp pick tied to Snell, that’s 100 million. (Montgomery doesn’t have a QO tied to him).
The cardinals will sign Montgomery soon I predict it will be 3 years 75 million with a opt out after each year Sonny gray was injured today so the cardinals will possibly need amother ace
Another , , , ?
If they do it will be closer to 3/85-90 with opt outs after each year.
Montgomery doesn’t benefit from opt outs.
ALL players benefit from opt outs unless they are signing a 1 year deal. That is a given.
Uh what’s Boras supposed to say? Nobody wants any of my guys anymore. The window is closed. Maybe next year?
Boras has Soto at the end of this year as a free agent client. His usual tactics will play with him, but all the other super hyped superstars Boras starts getting colorful with, he might want to try some new tactics with them.
acoss
Gonna go with Boras’ knowledge and experience over yours, sorry
If im Soto I would be careful to let this clown drag negotiations into March as there is no reason why Soto should not have significant offers by December let alone March. Not many teams going to be throwing $600 million at Soto so my guess here is he sign’s rather quickly.
Soto isn’t going to sign that late. He’ll hold up the entire market just like Ohtani and Yamamoto did for a few weeks. They’ll be more certainly with RSN revenues for effected orgs by then.
Soto turned down a 15 year extension for well over $500 million from the Padres. Unless he has a catastrophic injury he is going to get 14 years and an AAV equal to or larger than Wheeler’s in FA. I will let you do the math.
When did he turn that down? Score Diamond Sports went bankrupt and the RSN money dried up? New market.
It’s an offer that only Pads Fan knows about. The rest of the baseball world missed it.
Weird that everyone else missed a newsworthy story like that……
foppert258 mins ago
It’s an offer that only Pads Fan knows about.
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I googled it, and nothing came up.
Yep. Pads fan knows more than the internet. Bit of a recurring theme there.
atomic – Funny, as soon as I read that I figured it was more BS from him and I was gonna ask him for a link. I won’t even bother, dude is pathological. Probably believes making crap up will get him attention.
I don’t see that kind of years for Soto (how log until he is a full DH) but I can see AJ making that kind of crazy offer, and we will see another mistake by Borass for not taking that kind of $$. I was not impress by his time in SD and Im not sure he is a good club house teammate, but you are the padres fan.
Soto’s not getting 600M unless he turns into a Gold glove RFer.
LMFAO. He is going to get 14 years and at least what Wheeler just got. If he wasn’t damned sure of that he would not have turned down a half billion from the Padres.
He isn’t getting 14 years.
He turned down 15/440 which was a light $29 mill annual avv reason why he rejected it. Now 3 yrs later he should easily get 13/550 $42 million avv however if Im Steinbrenner i pass cause as you said DH is his future position. Yankees would be wise to go after Bellinger and Burnes who combined would be cheaper than Soto filling 2 huge holes vs one. I like Bellinger for 1B and Burnes co-ace with Cole
“Boras has Soto…some new tactics with them”…Scott Boras only knows one trick; make exorbitant, ridiculous asks and then wait and stall until nearly all teams have spent their alloted budgets to act.
Soto turned down more than $500 million over 15 years from the Padres. The contract he gets is going to blow most people on here away. 14 years with an AAV equal to or more than Wheeler’s deal.
It’s a rare market. Just go get that done. No need to drag it on.
Soto is going to set the market much like Ohtani did this year. He will be the first big contract off the board.
Ohtani isn’t getting paid until 10 years from now.
Sorry,Mr. Boras. This isn’t 2002. Teams know value.
Zero reason not to believe him this time. There were teams with obvious needs out there before spring training began and moreso now.
I’m sure there are teams looking for a discounted short term deal
As an Angel fan, it doesn’t make sense. The Angels are unlikely to compete. If Snell is good, the Angels will lose a draft pick, and lose him next year in free agency.
If he’s bad, the Angels are stuck with an albatross contract.
Better to wait a year. If he’s good, he’ll be back on the market.
You just made a perfect case for him being a fit for the Angels.
You mean by writing it doesn’t make sense?
You’re right it makes zero sense whatsoever, spot on analysis, however it’s the Angels.
The market is not static and is ever changing, yet Scott Boras uses the same tactic of waiting until all the money is nearly gone to act every single time.
Would like the Jays to sign him to a 4/100M contract with 2 option years. Not opt outs, no trade clauses or anything else. Or a 3/90 flat with none of those clauses. Jays would then put Manoah in the minors to work on his rejuvenation effort, let Tiedeman develop an extra year and then have really good options when a Nr 6 or 7 starter is needed. Gausman, Snell, Berríos, Bassett and Kikucci would probably be the most talented starting 5 to begin the season.
That’s a $100MM guaranteed for 4 years which won’t get Snell. $95MM or $37.5MM/30MM/$27.5MM with opt-outs after each season maybe.
Cashman already made Snell 2 offers that we know about. 5/150 and recently an offer that is more than what Rodon got both annually and in total. We don’t know exactly how much, just that it was more than the 6/162 he got.
4/100 is not close to enough. 3/90 is not enough without opt outs and significant incentives.
3/110-120 is closer to reality on a short term deal
Yankees pulled that deal. They are already right up against luxury tax threshold
No team that offers 4/$100M with options is going to sign Snell.
If SF can snag Snell, they may have the best starting 5 in July (when Cobb & Ray are healthy)… Webb, Snell, Cobb, Ray, & Harrison would be a formidable 5. Harrison is going to be a stud .
The Loch Ness Monster that came by and said “I need about tree fiddy” would make a better agent
Smells like desperation by now.
Seems like these are the teams that have put below his price offers and are the teams that his clients want to join. The teams aren’t going to bid against themselves when they know they have the leverage. Boras is denying it that they have the leverage and his hoping someone gets desperate.
I’m sure he didn’t expect that the Cable TV issues would ruin the markets for the Padres and Rangers enough they would pass on their guys.
He screwed up for sure
Now that the Phillies have extended Wheeler, I doubt they give Snell the kind of contract he is seeking. Montgomery would be a far more likely pick up at $10M to $20M less per season than what Snell is asking for.
Heck, a monster 6 years/$165M for Gumby seems like a far better investment than 3 years/$135M for Snell. And on and on it goes.
Monty be lucky to get 6/132 and he should pounce if any mlb offered that.
Guys worse than a lawyer, only about one out of every three words out of his mouth has any semblance of truth to it.
I’m a suffering Met fan the last 50 years but this winter has been brutal watching this billionaire afraid to spend. Aside from that, the Bosox get back in the game if they sign both Snell and Montgomery. There fans deserve it. Yankee fans deserve to see it happen.
LMFAO. WTF are you talking about? The Mets have the #1 payroll in baseball. $329.5 million CBT payroll and $312.5 million in opening day 26 man payroll. The Yankees CBT payroll is $23 million less than the Mets.
legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/
I’m talking about spending more when your worth 3 billion but want to wait until 2025-2026. Spend now. A DH and 2 good starting pitchers are available. That’s what I’m talking about.
Cohen is worth almost $20B. Waiting until 2025 when there is better free agent class is the right move for the Mets.
Bwaaaah I want more Bwaaaaah.
Seaver rules4 hours ago
I’m talking about spending more when your worth 3 billion but want to wait until 2025-2026. Spend now. A DH and 2 good starting pitchers are available.
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So you are only asking for your team to spend ~ $400M, Plus the $150M CBT tax?
I guess I disagree with just about everyone. I buy it that other teams have renewed interest. It makes sense to me that some teams were not at all interested because of the asking price, especially the long-term aspect of the ask. Now, that the ask has changed, and that Snell would take a short-term/high-AAV deal, those same teams could see the possibility to for a deal that works for them.
I’m not sure though that it helps Snell, since it sounds to me more like matching the offers that might be on the table. But it also wouldn’t surprise me to see the Dodgers, or another team that hasn’t been linked closely to Snell, swoop in with an offer that beats the current best by a few million dollars.
He has great success against the Dodgers and I also wouldn’t be surprised to see them grab him. That’s why I am surprised the Giants haven’t and that the Braves haven’t inquired.
He was good against the Dodgers, early in his career when he was good, but not so much later on.
In his last full season, 2022, he gave up 9 runs in 17 IP with 4 HRs against LA.
In 2021 he lasted only 4 innings against LA in his one GS, giving up 2 runs, with a HR, while walking 4.
In 2020, he went 5 IP in one start, giving up 2 runs on 2 solo HRs against the Dodgers. Not bad, but he seemed to have been very lucky since he also gave up 7 hits and walked 2.
Clearly the success against the Dodgers is a thing of the past.
Seaver rules, Oops, Sorry I thought your post was in response to one I made about not being interested in Bumgarner returning to the Giants. Please, completely ignore the other response.
The Wheeler deal just set the salary level would be for a short term deal for Snell. Maybe not $42 million AAV, but certainly $38-40 million on a 3 year deal with opt outs after each season.
Cardinals need to be on the horn for Snell ASAP. Gray is their only top flight SP, and he just left with a hammmy.
Wouldn’t mind seeing the Cubs interested.
I’m a little surprised the O’s don’t go there. One year deal and won’t cost them a deeper bat like Mayo.
One year for whom? 1/$40MM for Snell or 1/$35Mm for Montgomery?
Guess it doesn’t matter now. I was referencing Snell in my head atleast. Seems obvious he wanted to stay put West. There’s not many teams who couldn’t have given him the deal he got from the Giants.
Glad Snell won’t be pitching for the Yankers
Cubs topped out until the deadline. They have little room and don’t want to go over the tax. The deadline deal usually involve prospects for veterans on expiring contracts with the team getting the veteran also getting money back.
It’s pretty logical why Snell suitors who waited out his lengthy demands would start to reach out. He’s the perfect one year high AAV signing with opt out for a win now team.
I don’t like Boras, but don’t let that cloud all your vision
How did baseball ever let the fox into the hen house.
Bogus.
All these guys on here talking crap about Boras when all he does is get his clients paid. His JOB is to get his clients paid and he is really good at it. The best of all agents.
You make jokes about mystery teams and then half the time that player signs with a team NOT mentioned by MLBTR or other outlets, the mystery team Boras spoke about.
If he was a liar as many of you seem to believe, the fact is that TEAMS WOULD NOT DEAL WITH HIM. Since his agency has the most clients of any agent that is obviously not the case.
He just got Bellinger a $12.5 million raise and the probability of a $30 million AAV on a long term deal after 2024 just by showing he can repeat what was not his best season. That is not just a good agent. Its a freaking great one.
So if he says that he has 4 other teams that have asked about Snell or Montgomery, the odds are extremely high that there are teams that have asked about those two players.
I guess we know the old saying is true of many of you here, “common sense isn’t”.
I dunno if Bellinger or Chapman are thinking Boras is a great agent today. Bellinger got a guarantee that I bet is at least 100m less than he was expecting, and even that figure would have way less than the predictions here were expecting. If at the start of the offseason someone would have said Jung Hoo Lee would get 30m more guaranteed than Cody Bellinger no one would have believed that.
If reports of Chapman turning down 6/120 from TOR to sign for 3/52m during the same off-season are true, well that is a big L too.
I don’t think Blake Snell is going to be terribly thrilled with his deal either when all is said and done. But that is to be determined. This might be Blake’s fault too if he thought might be worth 200m..
Boras cost Chapman 100M on an extension. He blows some pretty major deals.
LMFAO. Bellinger just got a monster increase in potential earnings and all he has to do is play to a relatively pedestrian for him 133 OPS+/134 wRC+ and 4 WAR. Did you HEAR his comments about this deal? He f’ing LOVES it and thinks Boras knocked it out of the park and got him a “better deal than I could have ever expected”. Sometimes its worth listening to those pressers in full,
Bellinger just said how happy he is and that he got a deal better than he ever expected. Those are his words. Listen to what the player said instead of making up your own opinion.
There are no reports that Chapman turned down 6/120. There were reports that he turned down 6/100 but Chapman, Boras, and the Blue Jays all said there was no offer on the table.
Chapman turned down 6/125mill lol Boras cost him money
No. He. Didn’t.
The claims keep going up and you are wrong. There was a rumor by Scott Mitchell that he was offered 6/100 but Chapman, Boras and the Blue Jays all said there was never an offer on the table.
Scott Boros being Scott Boros
If you can’t spell his name when its in the article, pretty good argument that your comment is as bad as your spelling.
Well, he is right that Scott Boras is, in fact, being Scott Boras.
Insiders say that one of those interested is the Loch Ness Monster. She offered tree-fiddy, to which Boras replied, “I ain’t takin’ no tree-fiddy, Loch Ness Monster!”
That’s why MLB’s free agent system is broken. No player of their caliber should still be available after the season has already started.
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What do you suggest in place of letting players add teams negotiate contracts
A salary cap would stop this. In salary cap sports the top players sign first because everyone is competing for the same budget dollars. It’s funny, a salary cap would fix a lot of mlb’s problems but the players fight so hard despite the players in salary cap sports making a higher % of the leagues revenue
Before you can have a salary cap, you need to have a salary floor. Way too many teams pocketing their revenue sharing proceeds and not putting it back into their teams l.
You would get both a salary cap and floor. You don’t see teams in the NFL not trying to use their cap space because the budget is decided for the owner and there is no excuse to not use it. The players are so against a cap that they are actually costing themselves money
huh?
2 teams from Japan and 1 from South Korea.
Of course they have. It’s all about price.
Boras Corporation has to run a half-off sale on its premium but perishable goods. His leftover players need to start training soon to get familiar with a new team and location so that they won’t miss any regular season games. When high end stores have half-off sales, it often attracts new customers who normally couldn’t shop there. Snell and Montgomery have new tire kickers with money to spend. This should create more pressure on the known shoppers to offer fatter pillows.
One of those teams should be the Twins
No funds. Not gonna happen.
Cardinals could use one off these guys but Cardinals won’t deal with Boras
“Boras=Massively overrated” , Matt Chapman
and of course we can believe every word out of Boreass’s mouth
New teams? More like Boras trying to save face, in what has been an underwhelming offseason for him so far.
How do athletes let this megalomaniac ruin their careers over and over and over and over? How many “boras clients” have missed spring training or learning their new team, or even lost the opportunity to re sign with the team they were on… because Scott’s ego got in the way? How many need to realize he’s a cancer not a white knight? The Marlins literally banned him 20 years ago because of his antics (not sure how many know that)…. I really wish people would wake up to this instead of normalizing players not having contracts as late as May or June because of who their agent is.
To clarify before I’m attacked for the point… Boras was banned in the early 00’s by David Sampson, then President of the Marlins… the Marlins have new owners and a new front office.. I have no idea if he’s still banned today.
Bc he gets his clients the big bucks way more often than not and treats them well. He doesn’t bat 1.000; no agent does. Name one player whose career was ruined by Boras. The clients make the final decision at the end of the day.
As a regular listener of David Sampson’s podcast, he’s no genius and I can only take him in small doses. Today’s Marlins can’t afford Boras clients.
Which players’ careers have been “ruined” by Boras? I’ll wait…
JD Drew, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, Jered Waver, Andruw Jones, Oliver Perez, Matt Harvey, Carlos Gonzalez and many others have had severe career impact or destruction as a result of Scott Boras’ “negotiating style”
@jeremyn I still don’t get it. Harvey was his own worst enemy and so was JD Drew right after he was drafted by the Phillies. The others all did just fine if not great with Boras.
Looks like the answer is “none” to how many players’ careers have been ruined by Boras.
Guy’s washed up. He’ll be playing in the Mexican league in a few years.
We can do a 1 year $8 million deal on Snell. Is probably some of what interest he is getting
Yeah, sure, Kyle Gibson got 1/$13MM so Snell should get a little over half of that amount.
The NY offer to Snell of 5/150 seemed really fair. Boras seems to be misreading his market. If I were Snell I would’ve taken the guaranteed funds. It’s possible he’ll sign one of those short deals, have 2 average seasons, then become a free agent when he’s 2 years older and actually get a lot less. With his career path, that is a distinct possibility.
As for Montgomery, I think they are waiting on Boston to raise their offer from their recent miserly offerings to something somewhat competitive( I have no idea what gets this done 5/125?)
He’s not worth 5/125. He’s a 10 game winner who had 3 great months…
Would rather have prime Albert Pujols.
This is where your “I’d rather have prime Greg Maddux” post goes. Perfect spot for it. FYI
Would you expect Boras to say anything different?
Riiiight. . Boras trying to get teams to bid against a ghost.
Come on Reds, pony up!!!
What’s the incentive to give Blake Smell a short term contract if you are a fringe playoff team? You’re losing picks and international money and he can walk after one year with opt outs. Now if your a big market team like the Phillies, Dodgers, San Francisco, Yankees etc with hopes of grandeur you would be in on Mr Blake Smelly iffffffff you were not being hit with a high luxury tax on top of losing picks and most likely losing Smelly after the season when he opts out. Monty seems like the pitcher to target for a short term deal and Smelly for 5 years? Monty will go first before Snell if I had to bet money.
Pirates
Independent league on line two…
Interest is up according to boras lol. Yep teams are now willing to offer more than 1 year for the reigning cy young winner. And for Montgomery teams are offering a 12 pack of bud light & some cracker jack. Worst offseason of boras’s career
Why all the complexity? Why offer player opt-outs that give these two post-30 players $100m insurance policies if they’re lousy?
1/$40m or the like for Montgomery. I’m sure he’d rather have 5/150m, but no one appears to be offering him that. So why doesn’t 1/$40m work?
If you’re Montgomery it’s a nice payday even for a year from the ostensible heart of your career, and granted it puts you under significant pressure, but you’re used to that. You’ve been under pressure since they gave you the ball and pointed to the mound for the deciding game of your first Little League season.
Presumably there’s a number that fits 1/$xm, no opt outs, buy your own insurance, Give me a number, Monty.
More “mysterious” teams that are “supposedly” now interested in Boras’ clients…. Boras must pay a couple of people to create these fake interest reports in the Media.