New Astros relief ace Josh Hader made an appearance on Foul Territory earlier this week during which he discussed his free agency and some of the other teams that pursued him prior to him signing in Houston on a five-year deal last month. Among those teams, Hader noted, were the Dodgers and Yankees. Hader went on to indicate that while those clubs weren’t the only ones to express interest in him throughout the offseason, no other suitor matched the aggressiveness of the Astros, whose $95MM offer broke the record for present-day value for a relief pitcher.
It’s hardly a shock that the Dodgers and Yankees both checked in on the 29-year-old hurler this winter. A five-time All Star and three-time NL Reliever of the Year winner, Hader broke into the majors with the Brewers in 2017 and posted a dominant 2.08 ERA across 47 2/3 innings of work during that rookie campaign. The lefty hasn’t looked back since and has posted an incredible 2.50 ERA and 2.73 FIP while collecting 165 saves across 349 appearances during his career. Hader leads all relievers with an incredible 42.2% strikeout rate since his career began back in 2017, and is coming off an otherworldly platform season where he posted a microscopic 1.28 ERA in 61 appearances.
Both clubs were known to be interested in adding relief help this winter and certainly had the financial resources available to get a deal done, though they ultimately opted to look elsewhere rather than offer Hader the sort of nine-figure deal that would’ve topped Houston’s offer. Hader’s deal with the Astros served as a catalyst for the rest of the high-leverage relief market, and upwards of a dozen bullpen arms with late-inning experience have come off the market since then including the likes of Robert Stephenson, Aroldis Chapman, and David Robertson. In that frenzy of activity, the Dodgers came away with right-hander Ryan Brasier, who dominated to a 0.70 ERA in 39 appearances with the club last year. Meanwhile, the Yankees swung a deal to acquire southpaw Caleb Ferguson from L.A. on the same day the Dodgers landed Brasier.
Both Brasier and Ferguson are quality arms with plenty of late-inning experience under their belts, though neither has the sort of pedigree offered by Hader. While it’s not impossible to imagine either club making another addition to their relief mix before Opening Day, the surefire options still available in free agency are somewhat few and far between. Former Astros right-hander Ryne Stanek is among the options remaining and sports a solid 2.90 ERA over the last three seasons, though the market is largely dominated by bounceback candidates such as Brad Hand and Mychal Givens at this stage of the offseason.
Should either the Dodgers or Yankees decide to further bolster their relief corps in the coming weeks, one possible option who still lingers on the market would be Red Sox closer Kenley Jansen, who the club has reportedly shown a willingness to shop this winter. The Dodgers were connected to Jansen, who spent the first twelve seasons of his career with the club before signing with the Braves prior to the 2022 season, earlier in the offseason. The same can’t be said of the Yankees, though it is worth pointing out that the longtime AL East rivals have shown an increased willingness to trade with each other in recent years, including a deal that sent Alex Verdugo to the Bronx earlier this winter. As a 14-year MLB veteran with 420 career saves and a 3.63 ERA across 51 appearances in Boston last year, Jansen would provide an upgrade to the relief mix of either club, though he’s owed a hefty $16MM in the final year of his contract this season.
The Voices
How much would have been Deferred???
CravenMoorehead
THERE IT IS 🙂
RobM
It only took to the opening post!
Enrico Pallazzo
So this comment is you basically saying “hahaha the Dodgers utilize the current CBA rules to structure contracts that allow to spend more per season without the incurring the maximum tax threshold penalty”. Wow you really got the Dodgers with that one my friend. What a cutting jab . You know that Ohtani was the one that offered the deferral and that he offered it to all the teams he negotiated with right? Serious question for you… Do you really think this is an insult or a funny comment? If so I think you are extremely confused about the either baseball or what constitutes an insult. Nice try though. Keep at it and I’m sure one day you’ll hurt someone’s feelings.
The Voices
That’s enough, enrico. Stop yapping, stop running your mouth.
Enrico Pallazzo
Do you post this every time the nationals sign someone? Scherzer had significant deferrals when they won. Nothing wrong with that. It’s obvious to any mlb fan with half a brain that you’re a pathetic jealous hater
The Voices
Go back to staring at your Brady Anderson baseball card 9 hours a day, enrico.
astros_fan_84
Ohtani is a genius for figuring out how to dodge California income taxes. Good for him.
BaseballisLife
He didn’t. Instead of paying taxes where the games are played, he will pay taxes on 100% of the deferred money in California. Cannot remember if Los Angeles has municipal taxes, but if they do he will also pay those on 100% of the deferred money.
GarryHarris
The members of the Guggenheim Partners group deserve better protection.
jopeness
@Enrico, you’ll get it every signing, Yankees fans get it every trade or prospect mention. people just love to hate.
Tippin 44s
Hey bro just warning you because you seem to be the type, if you are at a large gathering where everyone is dressed the same, you all have similar delusi… err beliefs, & the beverage of choice happens to be Kool-aid, do NOT drink it. Even if every crazy thing they say makes perfect sense to you & you believe it 100%. Don’t drink it man.
Americanentropy
This entire deferral stuff is tired already. Instead of hating on the Dodgers put energy into your own team and THINK about whether they are competitive and if not, why. If you blame teams with a lot of money to spend think about Tampa Bay and why for such a small market team they are consistently competitive. Enough Dodger hate already.
DarkSide830
One thing more exhausting then the “deferred” jokes? The people who lose their minds over said jokes.
gbs42
And then there are those who confuse “then” and “than.” Now *that* is exhausting.
LordD99
Forget about that, gbs. What about people who start a sentence with a conjunction?
I’m up next!
gbs42
LordD, the latter is acceptable if suboptimal. The former is simply wrong.
Cap & Crunch
Be happy GBS42 this darkside guy didn’t even know how to use the caps button 2 years ago
Still in talks
I find grammar police exhausting.
BaseballisLife
And I do too. More THEN any grammar mistakes.
gbs42
SIT & BIL,
I apologize for trying to reduce ignorance.
Tippin 44s
@gbs42 you should NEVER climb a suboptimal ladder. That’s how my uncle died.
THEY LIVE!!!
Is it Raining in Kentucky? It sure has been in California. California deferred the torrential rains for a decade or more and now we’re getting some big divedends.
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
Huh the Dodgers. One of these days they’ll get one of these guys….
RobM
It’s gotta be tough being a Dodgers fan. Never landing the big guys.
acoss13
Dodgers are going to have to start signing Japanese players the way things are going for them. That fanbase deserves better.
Human Being
Couldn’t the Yankees go to their AAAA club and bring up David Bednar?
THEY LIVE!!!
It’s probably in the works since the Pirates signed Chapman.
aberdeen101
What really is the point in putting this the Dodgers “had” interest in Hader before the Astros deal? Didn’t happen. Obviously not enough interest. Let’s stop these types of updates. Its pointless.
LordD99
They are.
Americanentropy
And It’s fodder for more Dodger hate.
Barkerboy
Rumors after a climax are boring.
Tippin 44s
Nothing is boring about a climax
LordD99
If the Yankees were willing to expand payroll for Hader, then they probably could for Snell. Then again, we’d need to know when the Dodgers and Yankees were expressing interest. Could have been prior to other signings.
CravenMoorehead
Apparently Snell is still holding out for that $200 million dollar deal. We’ll see who blinks first.
LordD99
Boras is the one who started the recent deferred money contracts with Scherzer. I know they had existed prior, but he added them into his bag of tricks as a way to inflate the reported total dollar value. I can see him doing that here, but the Yankees generally don’t do deferred contracts. At least so far.
kellin
Do me a favor and do a Google search for all the historic deferred payments. You’ll find some interesting games being played that started at least back in the 90s.
mlb fan
“Probably could for Snell”…It’s been reported by multiple sources that the Yankees made Snell an offer(150M I believe)before they signed Marcus Stroman. It was said they pivoted to Stroman only after Snell declined their offer and made a counter offer(270M). Obviously these details are only as reliable as the sources that originally reported them.
CravenMoorehead
That’s what I’m hearing. Trying to get them Boras bucks.
mlb fan
I should have also added that the report stated that the Yankees do like Snell and were willing to go “slightly” above what they paid Rodon last year. Assuming those details, that would suggest the Yanks offered Snell 160-165M and he countered at 270M.
WiffleBall
They can say that all they want, but if Snell’s price drops far enough, there’s still room in the rotation for him on the Yankees and I think they’d sign him.
Jean Matrac
The question is exactly how much the Yankees were willing to expand payroll for Hader. It seems like it wasn’t as much as the Astros were willing to give him.
RobM
I’ll get around to checking out the episode, but it’s also a way for Hader to humblebrag. It’s possible they checked in, but that doesn’t mean either team was *that* serious. They might have been hoping for a falling price. Looks like the Astros were willing to pay full MSRP, perhaps even with a markup.
wjf010
#1 – I really hate sites/apps that require a sign on every day ..fix it
#2 – these “had interest” posts are lame
CravenMoorehead
#3 – Sports Talk Baseball for Sega Genesis was the most underrated Baseball video game of the 90s
differentbears
#4 – I disagree, it’s a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.
rct
Shout out to Roger Clemens MVP Baseball for the NES. I’m not going to say it was good but I did spend a lot of time playing it.
gravel
It isn’t the site that requires you to sign in everyday.
Canuckleball
@ wjf010:
This site has a really cool feature that allows you to opt out of these articles that you don’t like.
All you have to do is not click on it and scroll to the next.
Works great, try it out when you get a chance 🙂
whyhayzee
Jansen for Judge is being discussed. There has been some drinking involved.
RobM
That might be you drinking, whyhayzee, but it is Saturday night. Bend the elbow!
RobM
Not related, but curious. Who is behind Foul Territory? Who is bankrolling it?
CravenMoorehead
It’s the same guy who sells Blue Baron $20 grams of dirt weed outside of Waffle House at 1am
Yankee Clipper
According to the SBJ the players involved in hosting it are the ones who launched the show.
sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Closing-Bell/2023/…
acoss13
Clip,
I believe that the players on the show mentioned it as well but appreciate the source! I personally think they’re okay, still prefer Jomboy Media’s Talkin Baseball though, just my two cents.
Yankee Clipper
Acoss, I agree. I’m getting more used to their format, but it is definitely a different type of delivery than the Jomboy Media podcasts/YouTube, which seems a bit more conventional.
I do appreciate the different perspectives they can deliver because of all their connections though. Seems guests/players may respond more casually on their show and be less guarded than conventional media sources.
HeedFrodo
Never understood these write ups… I’m sure many teams wanted an all star closer.
James Midway
The whole him only wanting to pitch when he felt like it and didn’t really care about if the team wins or loses probably turned them off.
Blackpink in the area
I imagine the whole “Padres were a big market team and now they are not” turns you off.
James Midway
What does your silly response have to do with Josh Hader and his unwillingness to work? My guess is that you have no rational response to my post and you were somehow offended by it.(grow thicker skin). Then you responded with some weird response that had nothing to do with my original post. Is this Josh Hader? It’s Josh Hader isn’t it?
Blackpink in the area
Dude you sound like a hater. You are a Hader hater.
James Midway
Interesting take from the one that changed the topic to the Padres and their spending from Haders unwillingness to pitch, but OK. Did you listen to his interview? If you haven’t you need to.
Dread Pirate Roberts
Josh Hader is 5’11? Wth. I’m going to get my eyes checked
Yankee Clipper
Do you think he’s shorter or taller than what’s listed?
Dread Pirate Roberts
I thought he was way taller than that
Canuckleball
I thought the same. I think it’s that he’s skinny and lanky and it makes him look taller
Yankee Clipper
He does look it, I agree
Old York
Well, make him an offer and see if he leaves the Astros.
THEY LIVE!!!
Regarding the Dodgers checking in with Hader. Could it be they make an offer just to pump up the price of the player ❓
yanks2323
Who cares!
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
Really big miss by Cashman. The Yankees outfield is solid. Bullpen clearly needs work, might be the worst Yankee bullpen in the past 30 years. Hader was a clear need. You don’t cheap out on a need. That goes for tha Braves, Phillies, Dodgers, and Mets as well. These are teams that clearly need a dominant closer. Edwin Diaz is coming off a nasty injury, I don’t expect him to be the same. Hader is easily the best reliever in baseball. Cashman needs to reevalaute himself, this offseason was a borderline failure. Soto, Verdugo, and Stroman aren’t going to catapult a sub .500 Yankee team into a World Series contender. They lost Wandy Peralta as well. At this rate the Yankees are going to blow a lot of close games this year. If your best relievers are Ron Maranachio and Clay Holmes then your in trouble
GhostofRandySavage
Sounds like you didn’t watch this team last year. The offense was very bad, the bullpen was very good.
Augusto Barojas
Why is it that the Dodgers let other teams sign all the good players?
CrikesAlready
Maybe they’re smart? They can see Hader isn’t a team guy.
Augusto Barojas
The Dodgers spent a billion dollars this winter, literally. Slight sarcasm meant in my comment. Hader is about the only guy that could have helped them that they did not sign.
TheFuzzofKing
I’ll always have fond memories of Hader helping the Nats along to the World Series.
178iq
Stupid writers… interest…?!?! Wow what reporting. The Yankees have interest in just about every player, especially players that will never choose to play for the NYY.
Randy 8
This is why the Dodgers are consistently better than most teams. They won’t overpay for someone who isn’t going to be productive in a year or two. Giving Hader big money isn’t smart.
BaseballisLife
Yankees and Dodgers said “You refuse to pitch any inning except the 9th, more than 3 outs, or more than 2 games in a row? Peace out beotch.”
diphthong
Would just be absolutely heartbroken if the remaining Boras free agents remained unsigned till the trading deadline. One can hope.
This one belongs to the Reds
The headline should have read “The usual suspects.”
178iq
These writers are really trying hard… if you have nothing good to say, say nothing. Every team in MLB and world wide has/had “interest” in Hader… is this really reporting? There are better things worth reading in the comments section lol I can’t believe these guys get paid for an article about “interest”.
Mrski
Yanks were interested? Lost Yamamoto to the deferrers, now they lost hader to the cheatstros?
Cashole will say he won the stroman sweepstakes.
CommentsSectionCommenter
@Mrski
“Lost Yamamoto to the team that he actually wanted to play for, largely because that team is now the standard-bearer for every major free agent, because of its unmatched on-field excellence over the last decade; its ownership, which is willing to spend on difference-makers in an effort to build a sustainable and consistent winner; its creative and proactive front office; its player-development machine; and a club that has won 100-plus games over an MLB-record last four full seasons….”
/fixed
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Plus, they had Tommy Lasorda, Ralph Avila and Papa Cantella.
Mickey Solis
I feel so bad for the Dodgers that they couldn’t completely monopolize the superstar free agent market. How heartbroken these clowns that defend them must feel. MLB is ruined for at least the next decade. But no worries because I’m sure LA will be “interested” in Bellinger Snell and Montgomery and probably land at least one if not two or all three of them.
Rayank
Who cares now.
nyy42
So Did I