Pitchers and catchers will be reporting to Spring Training in just over a week but there’s still plenty of offseason business that remains unfinished. There are still four free agents that could plausibly land a long-term, nine-figure deal: Cody Bellinger, Blake Snell, Jordan Montgomery and Matt Chapman. There are also plenty of other free agents who should be in line for significant short-term deals, such as J.D. Martinez, Gary Sánchez, Brandon Belt, Whit Merrifield, Tim Anderson, Amed Rosario, Gio Urshela, Michael Lorenzen, Jorge Soler, Tommy Pham, Eddie Rosario, Adam Duvall, Hyun Jin Ryu and many more.
Many of those players, including all of the big four, are represented by Scott Boras. He has a reputation of letting his players linger on the market, even if that means pushing things into March or even into the regular season. This tactic has yielded mixed results over the years but there have been many instances of significant deals getting done at this late period of the offseason.
It seems that the ongoing bankruptcy of Diamond Sports Group is having an impact on this winter’s market. Many clubs are trying to cut back payroll due to uncertainty around their broadcast revenue, which is having a domino effect on various players. For example, the Padres’ TV deal collapsed last year and they are now looking to get under the competitive balance tax for 2024. That means they have been less of a factor in the free agent market. Also, they traded Juan Soto to the Yankees to free up payroll, which means that the Yanks didn’t need to upgrade their outfield via free agency.
So, who still has powder dry? Let’s take a broad look at the clubs and see where the payrolls are, compared to previous spending or where the decision makers/reporters have said it will go this year. Payroll data and estimates courtesy of Cot’s Baseball Contracts and Roster Resource.
- Over Top CBT Tier: Mets, Dodgers, Yankees
The fourth and final tier of the CBT is $297MM this year and each of these three clubs are comfortably beyond it. The Mets are at $322MM, the Yankees at $305MM and the Dodgers at $308MM. Each of the three are also third-time payors, which comes with escalating tax rates. Any further spending from these clubs now comes with a 110% rate, meaning it would cost them more than double the amount going to the player.
That doesn’t mean they can’t fit in another deal. For instance, the Mets were already well over the top line last year when they agreed to a deal with Carlos Correa. That deal eventually fell apart due to medical concerns, but it shows that the luxury tax is different than a hard salary cap and teams can continue soaring to new spending heights if they so choose.
The Mets aren’t likely to do something huge in the coming weeks, as they are doing a semi-reset and have limited themselves to short-term deals this offseason. The Yankees and Dodgers each have loaded lineups but questionable rotation depth. However, the Dodgers have avoided long-term deals for pitchers historically, while the Yankees reportedly pivoted to Marcus Stroman when they balked at the asking prices of Snell and Montgomery.
- Higher Than They’ve Been Before: Braves, Astros, Blue Jays, Diamondbacks, Rays
Any of these clubs could decide to spend some more, but they are currently set to be in record territory and they would need to be willing to push things even farther than they already have.
Atlanta’s CBT number is currently estimated at $270MM. That’s well beyond last year’s $246MM figure and just shy of the third tier, which is $277MM. Going over that third line comes with increased taxation but also requires a club’s highest pick in the next draft to be pushed back 10 spots. Atlanta isn’t generally a huge player in free agency anyway, preferring to extend its incumbent players while being aggressive on the trade market.
The Astros have gone near to the tax line under Jim Crane but have generally avoided going over. Their only previous season going beyond it was 2020, when the penalties were eliminated during the shortened season. They came into the offseason with their CBT number hovering right around the border, which seemed to limit their activity until a season-ending injury for Kendall Graveman pushed them to get a deal done with Josh Hader. They’re now at $255MM, just shy of the second tier, which is $257MM.
The Blue Jays paid the tax for the first time last year, getting their CBT number up to $246MM. They are now at $251MM, only a bit higher, but the pure payroll is a big jump. They spent $214MM last year and already have $240MM in commitments for 2024.
The Diamondbacks have a franchise-high payroll of $132MM, which was set back in 2018. Last year was a financial mixed bag, as they made a surprise run to the World Series and netted some extra playoff revenue but their TV deal also collapsed. They’ve been fairly active this winter and are set to start the season with a payroll of $142MM.
Despite a cost-cutting trade of Tyler Glasnow, the Rays are still in uncharted waters for them. Their $93MM payroll would be a franchise high, with Cot’s having their franchise record as $84MM from 2022.
- Pretty Close To Last Year: Phillies, Rangers, Cardinals, Mariners, Nationals, Guardians, Pirates
Each of these clubs is currently within the ballpark of where they were last year. Perhaps that means they are content with their current level, but deciding to make a jump is always a possibility.
The Phillies had a $246MM payroll and $263MM CBT number last year, with those numbers now at $238MM and $253MM. Presumably, they wouldn’t want to cross the third CBT line and have their top draft pick pushed back 10 spots. Since that line is $277MM this year, they could have some room there, especially with a creatively-structured deal.
The Rangers have been very aggressive in recent offseasons but came into this winter with some trepidation. Despite just winning the World Series, their TV deal seemed to be in danger of collapsing. The latest reporting indicates their relationship with Diamond Sports Group could continue for at least one more year, though likely with reduced fees coming to the club. Their payroll and CBT were $214MM and $237MM last year, with those numbers now at $221MM and $243MM for 2024.
The Cards had a payroll of $178MM last year and are at $179MM this year. They may push that a bit further to get another reliever, but seem fairly content with their rotation and position player mix. The Mariners will reportedly end up above last year, but not by too much thanks to their own TV revenue situation. Their payroll was at $140MM last year and are at $135MM at the moment. The Nationals were at $109MM last year and are set for a bump to $125MM this year. They are still nowhere near their franchise highs but they’re unlikely to get back into that range while still rebuilding. A big strike next winter when Patrick Corbin’s deal is off the books would make more sense. The Guardians were at $98MM last year and are at $96MM now. The Pirates have gone from $70MM to $79MM.
- Some Wiggle Room To The Tax Threshold: Padres, Giants, Cubs
Each of these clubs is within striking distance of the lowest CBT threshold and probably won’t cross it. The Padres have been cutting spending this winter due to their TV deal collapsing and their past aggression putting them out of whack with the league’s debt-to-service ratio rule. Their CBT number is at $215MM, which gives them some room to work with before getting to the $237MM base threshold. But they arguably need two outfielders, two starting pitchers and a designated hitter, so they may have to spread their money around.
The Giants haven’t paid the tax in recent years but still have some space before they would get there this year. Their CBT number is currently at $208MM, with the base threshold at $237MM this year. Even if they want to avoid going over the line, they could still add $25MM or so while still leaving a bit of room for midseason additions. Many predicted them as a landing spot for Bellinger earlier in the offseason but they signed Jung Hoo Lee to be their everyday center fielder. Chapman could still fit at third base, with J.D. Davis then moving into a part-time/DH role or ending up on the trading block. The rotation still has plenty of question marks behind Logan Webb, so either Snell or Montgomery would be a sensible target as well.
The Cubs are in a somewhat similar position, having not paid the tax in recent years. Their CBT number is currently a hair below $207MM, putting them about $30MM shy of the base threshold. They could bring Bellinger back after enjoying his bounceback season in 2023, but they may be loath to block outfield prospects like Pete Crow-Armstrong. Third base is a possible fit for Chapman, as he would be a clear upgrade over Nick Madrigal or Patrick Wisdom. The rotation has a decent front four with Justin Steele, Jameson Taillon, Shota Imanaga and Kyle Hendricks. They could leave the fifth spot open for an audition between Jordan Wicks, Ben Brown, Hayden Wesneski, Javier Assad, Caleb Kilian and others, but all those guys have options and limited experience. Adding Snell or Montgomery could push them into depth roles to be called upon during the season as injuries arise.
- Should Have Lots Of Room: Angels
The Angels were over the tax line in 2023, but managed to limbo under the line late in the year. As they fell out of contention, they put various players on waivers to give away their contracts and also put Max Stassi on the restricted list as he was away from the club while his son was in NICU after being born three months premature.
Those shenanigans worked in getting the club under the line, but that’s beside the point of this post. The key takeaway for this exercise is that they are willing to get near and even cross the line under the right circumstances. Even though Shohei Ohtani is now gone, general manager Perry Minasian has clearly stated the club still plans to compete this year. To that end, they have bolstered their club by spending on the bullpen, having signed Robert Stephenson, Matt Moore, Luis García and Adam Cimber.
Even with those deals, the club still has a huge amount of space before getting near the $237MM base threshold of the CBT. They are currently just over $187MM, giving them roughly $50MM of space to work with even if they want to stay under the line to start the year. The rotation was a disappointment in 2023 and adding to their current group with someone like Snell or Montgomery would make sense. They current project to have Reid Detmers, Griffin Canning, Patrick Sandoval, Tyler Anderson and Chase Silseth as their starters. There’s talent in that group but clear room for improvement as well. Silseth still has options and less than 130 innings pitched above the Double-A level, so bumping him to sixth on the depth chart would be defensible.
On the position player side of things, the Halos technically have a third baseman in Anthony Rendon, but he’s about to turn 34 and hasn’t played 60 games in a season since 2019. Having two players on huge deals for the same position wouldn’t be the best use of resources, but Chapman could push Rendon into a regular designated hitter role now that Ohtani has vacated that spot. In the outfield, Bellinger could take a corner and occasionally spell Trout in center. Those two, along with Aaron Hicks and Taylor Ward, could plausibly share the three outfield jobs and the DH role, while pushing Mickey Moniak into the fourth outfielder gig.
- Should Have Some Room: Twins, Brewers, Marlins, Royals, Athletics
The Twins have had some payroll issues due to their TV revenue situation but they recently cleared some space with the Jorge Polanco trade. They reportedly want to be in the $125-140MM range and are currently at $118MM. The resurrection of Diamond Sports Group might allow them to keep that relationship going for one more year, so perhaps they could push things to the higher end of that range. They were at $159MM last year but have been planning on a cut due to the TV revenue situation.
The Brewers had a $126MM payroll last year and are just at $117MM right now. They generally aren’t huge free agent spenders but made a notable addition with the recent signing of Rhys Hoskins. The Marlins were at $110MM last year but have been extremely quiet this offseason. New president of baseball operations Peter Bendix hasn’t signed any free agents yet, so the payroll is at just $97MM. The Royals have made a huge jump from last year, going from $91MM to $113MM. General manager J.J. Picollo has suggested the club is fairly content with the current roster, but then they signed Adam Frazier. Perhaps more small moves could be coming since they’ve had the payroll as high as $143MM in the past.
As for the Athletics, they will spend on something. General manager David Forst said he expects a higher payroll than last year. They were at $59MM in 2023 but are only at $40MM for the upcoming season, though Alex Wood will bump that slightly when the details of his deal are revealed. Despite their aggressive rebuild, they spent on guys like Aledmys Díaz, Jace Peterson, Trevor May, Shintaro Fujinami, Jesús Aguilar and Drew Rucinski last winter. With the club departing Oakland after this year and headed for another last-place finish, it won’t be the first choice for many free agents but it could be a fallback plan for some.
- Below Past Levels But Might Not Spend: Orioles, Red Sox, Tigers, Reds, Rockies, White Sox
These clubs are all below their franchise highs in terms of spending, but there are other reasons to suggest a big deal might not be forthcoming in the next few weeks. The Orioles have had payrolls as high as $164MM, but that was back in 2017 when Peter Angelos was still running things. Since then, his son John has taken over as “control person”. The club underwent an aggressive rebuild, which naturally dropped the payroll, but they haven’t changed their spending habits even though the rebuild is over.
The won the American League East last year but still haven’t given a multi-year deal to a free agent since Alex Cobb in 2018. Their most significant signing this winter has been a one-year pact for Craig Kimbrel. This week, it was reported that the club is being sold from the Angelos family to a new investment group, but that still requires league approval. That could change the club’s behavior down the road but it’s unclear if it will have an immediate impact.
The Red Sox, meanwhile, have been dialing back the spending in recent years and don’t seem to be bringing it back. Despite the “full throttle” comments from chairman Tom Werner earlier in the offseason, CEO Sam Kennedy recently admitted that the club will probably have a lower payroll than last year. Broadly speaking, it seems the club is in wait-and-see mode as it evaluates some younger players before deciding on a path forward.
The Tigers and Reds have each been active in upgrading their rosters for the upcoming season, but neither is in record territory. Thanks to mega contracts for Miguel Cabrera and Joey Votto expiring, each club has been able to spend on free agents without setting any franchise records. The Tigers had a payroll of $200MM as recently as 2017, but their signings of Kenta Maeda, Jack Flaherty, Andrew Chafin and Shelby Miller (plus the acquisition of Mark Canha) have only pushed them to $108MM for this year. The Reds were at $127MM in 2019 but are only at $100MM now, despite signing Jeimer Candelario, Frankie Montas, Nick Martínez, Emilio Pagán and Brent Suter. But Detroit’s president of baseball operations Scott Harris has spoken many times about the perils of making bold moves too early, something the club knows too well after their deals for Eduardo Rodríguez and Javier Báez didn’t work out in 2022. As for the Reds, this year’s payroll is already a bump from last year’s $87MM and they don’t have huge holes on the roster.
The Rockies and White Sox are each below their past spending levels but both clubs are coming off disastrous seasons and aren’t well positioned to make a bold strike. There would be plenty of room for short-term veteran additions, however.
Alvo Sumatro
Whichever team has the courage and decency to do the right thing and sign Trevor for their rotation, that’s the answer to this headline.
Old York
@Alvo Sumatro
Sadly, I don’t see that happening and it seems he has recently angered the Japanese population, and teams are shying away from him right now. I guess he might play in Korea this coming season? Guy’s really fallen on some tough luck.
Blackpink in the area
He angered the whole population?
Sure……
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yeah, I mean Godzilla did it, so it’s possible.
norcalblue
With all due respect, it’s not “tough luck”. This guy is experiencing the natural and logical consequences of his sadistic and violent behavior. In my judgment, he took millions and millions of dollars without earning the money.
He’s actually lucky. Could have been much worse for him.
Woods Rider
Actually, he’s not lucky. The facts camne to light, and thus was not charged with a crime. However, in the SJW world we live in, he’s guilty in the court of public opinion.
I don’t know you or where you get your news sources from, but I would suggest doing your own digging on the topic and you may find that the mainstream media is not reporting on what is accurate, but rather only what fits their agenda or gets the most clickbait.
It didn’t do well for them that he was cleared of any wrongdoing and it certanily didn’t look good for their SJW agenda for the femqale to be caught trapping a millionare sports p-layer with the intent the entire time of defrauding him.
I’m not going to tell you what to believe, but he’s essentially been blackballed for two reasons, the social one and the fact that he called out Manfred for not doing anything about the forigen substances, and he’s enemy number 1 on the hit list of the worse baseball commissioner in MLB history.
Old York
@norcalblue
I think your post doesn’t respond to the recent situation in Japan.
theguardian.com/sport/2024/jan/17/trevor-bauer-jap…
“Former major league pitcher Trevor Bauer came under criticism in Japan on Wednesday after he appeared to express support on social media for a US Navy officer who had been jailed over a car crash that killed two Japanese citizens.”
Blackpink in the area
When did Bauer take millions of dollars and not earn it? When the heck did that happen????
The sadistic behavior was from the girl who straight up told her friend she was going to set him up because she was a deranged Padres fan who btw slept with Tatis prior to the incident with Bauer.
Let’s be honest. You are a Dodgers fan mad your team have him a contract. That’s where your concern starts and stops you don’t care about the greater good or anything else.
Old York
@Blackpink in the area
Well said. Most of these individuals are here for trolling instead of logical discussion. It’s good to call out the poor character presentation.
Blackpink in the area
It’s amazing how people pile on Bauer as if he’s some terrible guy who deserves to be punished and put down. Never charged with a crime.
Woods Rider
@Blackpink in the area – I think if these same people actually took the time out and did their own research (perhaps check out Baur on his Youtube Channel), they would come to a different conclusion.
I did.
spliffTONE
@Woods Rider Ahh yes….the perfect spot for an unbiased look at the whole Bauer situation: Bauer’s YouTube channel.
You guys are hilarious. Crying about how “unfair” things have been for Bauer isn’t going to bring him back; just makes you look foolish.
Woods Rider
@spliff – What’s hilarious is that you fail to be objective and look at both sides to form your own independent conclusion. You fail to entertain anything outside your own bias to form a fair,
I guess trolls are gonna troll.
spliffTONE
@Woods Rider Says the guy so desperately simping for Trevor Bauer. I’ve looked at both sides of this situation plenty; just because I disagree with your sad sack defense of this guy doesn’t mean that I’m being blinded by my own bias.
Bauer made his bed and now he’s lying in it. There is zero reason to feel sorry for him.
Keep crying about “trolls” though. Really suits you well.
Woods Rider
If you really were educated on the topic, then you’d see I’m not defending him, just stating facts versus misinformation. At no point have I defended his character or any of his actions.
You’d need to be objective though to see that, so I’ll excuse that you missed it.
spliffTONE
@Woods Rider Please show where I claimed that you have defended Bauer’s “character or actions”. Looks more to me like you’re shifting the goalposts because you have no argument of substance here.
Rally Goose
@norcalblue How exactly did he “take millions and millions of dollars without earning the money?” Especially when he was underpaid throughout his club control years like any other player who is still under club control.
Woods Rider
Not at all, Simping, as you call it, would imply that I have some sort of affection for Bauer. Hence defending him. I do not. Again, I’m being objective and taking facts for what they are.
The guy could be a terrible human being, but he’s an innocent one being blackballed the MLB..
Stick to yoou spliffs there, Spliff.
Blackpink in the area
Norcalblue is a Dodgers fan pretending to care about what’s right and wrong.
Al Bundy 21
Didn’t the same media reported that he was cleared? I can’t tell you what a red hat with 4 white letters on it.
Cooperdooper7
Woods Rider…. OUTSTANDING COMMENTARY! Absolutely nailed it.
Johnny Devil
Nicely put . No place in baseball for the Bauers of the world.
norcalblue
Correct, I am not responding to the situation in Japan. He doesn’t want to pitch in Japan, he wants to pitch here. His inability to obtain an MLB contract and why is the point of my comment.
If your comment is exclusively referring to his treatment in Japan, than please disregard my post. Apologies for missing your meaning.
Wolf Hoffmann
Can someone translate what Al Bundy wrote into English for me? I didn’t understand his gibberish.
Wolf Hoffmann
You think Bauer is the only one banging groupies?
sportsarerigged
Sadistic and violent? On what are you basing those strong comments?
And being literally the best pitcher in the league would qualify for earning those millions I think.
The dude is a tool for sure, question his character if you will but have something to base all that on. Otherwise you’re the tool.
terrymesmer
Not innocent:
‘I’m in a lot of pain, and I don’t remember specifically asking you to hit me,’ Hill said to Bauer in the recorded phone call. ‘Did you mean to hit me that hard?’
‘No, and that’s why it’s confusing,’ Bauer is heard responding. ‘I didn’t feel like I hit you that hard, you know? And certainly… I tried telling you multiple times, ”Do you want to stop? Are you OK?” And you said to keep going. So I just was trying to follow your lead on it.’
terrymesmer
See, “Trevor Bauer’s 27-minute phone call with Lindsey Hill is released”
‘I’m in a lot of pain, and I don’t remember specifically asking you to hit me,’ Hill said to Bauer in the recorded phone call. ‘Did you mean to hit me that hard?’
‘No, and that’s why it’s confusing,’ Bauer is heard responding. ‘I didn’t feel like I hit you that hard, you know? And certainly… I tried telling you multiple times, ”Do you want to stop? Are you OK?” And you said to keep going. So I just was trying to follow your lead on it.’
terrymesmer
You are a liar.
its_happening
Terry this is where two consenting adults have a tryst that is rough. I understand you are purposely ignoring the text messages Lindsay Hill sent to others that show she directly targeted Bauer, plus the video SHE took with no bruising whatsoever.
I find it appalling you’d post something and pretend there is truth and transparency. Can only imagine what other lies you believe in the world.
its_happening
So you’re in-favour of banning Tommy Pham from playing MLB for assaulting Joc Pederson?
Or are you pro-lifetime ban for Jose Ramirez knocking out Tim Anderson? Or is Tim Anderson worth banning in your books for (allegedly) cheating on his pregnant spouse?
Is forgiveness a foreign concept to you or are you hateful toward Bauer because of something else?
Red Shift 10K
Do you wake up in the morning wishing you could be Trevor?
southi
I don’t think that any team will sign him, and if they did their entire PR department would probably resign. The potential fireball from signing Bauer would almost certainly far exceed the benefits from his fastball.
Woods Rider
@ southlIt worked out for Michael Vick and the Philadelphia Eagles.
This is a guy who went to prison for a few years for truly sick and sadistic things he did to animals that was proven and he was found guilty in a court of law.
If Michael Vick can get a shot at redemption (and the media able to deal with it) why not Bauer?
C Yards Jeff
@southi; Orioles signed Matt Harvey not once but 2x (21 & 22). I’m an Orioles fan. It baffled me that the local media in Baltimore and the national media did not ATTACK the Orioles for employing, especially in 2022, a player that used narcotics and technically distributed them as well (teammate Skaggs).
In light of this, maybe the blow back on a team that takes on a Bauer may not be as severe as we all think.
Blackpink in the area
The Michael Vick stuff is very complicating. I was raised around dogs and find what he did completely wrong. But shelters are killing dogs daily out of necessity. People hunt and kill animals like deer which I find to be wrong but it’s completely legal. How is shooting a deer right and dog fighting wrong? That doesn’t really add up.
Woods Rider
Farmers kill thousands of chickens and cattle everyday too. Doesn’t stop folks from eating at McDonald’s. However, they don’t beat them or mistreat them before slaughter. I’m a hunter myself and while I respect your opinion, and that you do not hunt, I am personally upset with myself if I cannot land a clean kill and do my best to dispatch the animal as humanely as possible. I DO NOT want that animal to suffer. I also don’t hunt males as I’m dispatching the animal for one reason and that’s food in my freezer. Horns do nothing and I dispise trophy hunting. That said, that’s a topioc that goes down a rabbit hole.
I’m coming more from the anlge of a pro athele doing something the public didn’t agree with and that player being able to find redemption while the media was able to show tolerance. That’s all.
spliffTONE
@C Yards Jeff What an absolutely nonsensical comparison.
gary55wv
That’s what you call blackballing!
Waymann
@Alvo Sumatro
I know people feel strongly about the whole Bauer situation but I just really don’t even understand it from the stats perspective. Bauer’s been good and at times great but people act like he’s on the DeGrom/Kershaw level and he just simply isn’t.
Wouldn’t you think it was weird if people just kept bringing up Robbie Ray over and over again with only the slightest relevance to the subject at hand? They’ve basically had the same type of careers but for some reason people want to worship at the altar of Bauer like he’s Pedro Martínez or something.
Old York
@Waymann
While not positioning him as the next DeGrom or Kershaw, he has consistently proven himself as a reliable starting pitcher throughout his career. The legal issues, upon closer examination, appear to be largely inconsequential, and fans are eager to witness his return to the MLB. If the concern pertains to his character, it’s worth noting that even Hall of Famers like Tris Speaker and Rogers Hornsby had reputations for being rather challenging personalities.
Waymann
@Old York I’d push back a bit against the use of the word “consistently” there. Bauer had an excellent 2018, an amazing 2020 shortened season, and a really good half season in 2021. Aside from that, he’s been a slight cut above average. He was awful after the trade in 2019 too.
Do I think Trevor Bauer can still hack it in the majors? Sure. Do I think he warrants the outsized attention that he gets? No. He’s a normally good and occasionally great starter who’s 2 years removed from MLB play and heading for his mid 30’s.
Woods Rider
@old York,
Let’s not get into some of the others such as Ty Cobb, or Babe Ruth.
Woods Rider
@Waymann –
Perhaps, but he’s a good enough pitcher that be an upgarde on just about every team.
I won’t argue that he’s not elite level, but I would argue that he’s better than both Snell and Montgomery..
Old York
He’s got a career ERA+ of 116 and a FIP of 3.87. To suggest that we don’t want these players in the game because one has a personal vendetta against them is pretty ridiculous. I had a discussion about Jazz Chisholm Jr. this morning with someone and for his career, he had a wRC+ of 103. I said it was pretty much average but the other person said it was above average. So, if I follow this logic, then Bauer, for his career, is 16% better than league average. Which teams don’t want pitchers that are 16% better than league average?
spliffTONE
@Old York The teams that don’t want a PR nightmare on their hands aka every single one of them. Dude’s career as a major leaguer is over. Hopefully one day you can figure out how to move on from this very simple fact.
spliffTONE
@Woods Rider Truly hilarious that you think a two plus years removed from MLB, 33 year old Bauer is better than the reigning NL Cy Young award winner.
I think your obsession with poor, poor Bauer is affecting your critical thinking. Then again, there may have not been much there to begin with.
Old York
@spliffTONE
I agree, he’s probably not coming back and I’ve said that numerous times but it doesn’t mean he SHOULDN”T return. What PR issues would be arriving to the team, given that he did nothing wrong. There are guys in the league currently that did worse and are still playing. Shouldn’t they be treated the same or worse? No PR issues there.
Woods Rider
Again Troll, failure to be objective and critical.. Constipation of the brain, diarrea of the mouth is a seriouis condition amongst your ilk.
Snell cant get out of the 6th inning without throwing 100+ pitches (if he even gets to the 6th inning). He also cannot go 2 innings without a walk. All of that traffic leads to doom. He’s asking for a crazy amount of money for his production.
CY Youngs are an award iussed out every year by a bunch of writers. How many ROY’s became busts? HR champs fade away?
This is that awkward moment when you realize Nolan Ryan never won a Cy Young.
Woods Rider
Spoken like a true SJW.
its_happening
Correction: teams are unwilling to handle the PR that comes with a polarizing figure like Trevor Bauer.
Teams have given players second, third, fourth chances. He’s no different except in this era many teams don’t want the smoke, and the possible sponsorship loss thanks to guys like you complaining. You are the type to exercise cancel culture based on your nonsense comments above. Bauer deserves forgiveness for a crime he did not commit.
HardkoreHam
I just wish you’d be honest about why you’re supporting Bauer on here. He’s a Trumper, you’re a Trumper, so you’re supporting him. It’s not whether he’s innocent or guilty.
He’s a free man, I don’t see anyone here saying throw him in jail. His support for the racist conspiracy theory of birtherism makes him hard to sign for a team trying to sell tickets and market itself, let alone all the potential issues with women and teammates.
The capitalists at the top of baseball teams have deemed signing him would not be a profitable venture. Has nothing to do with fair or not.
its_happening
WTF?
Maybe it’s because Bauer is/was a pitcher who could be an ace on many teams?
Winning>political ideology.
Be better guy….
spliffTONE
@Old York Keep jamming your head even further up Bauer’s ass. No wonder you can’t see the PR issues surrounding a theoretical Bauer signing.
spliffTONE
@Woods Rider Zero surprise to see you doubling down on your inane opinion that Bauer is better than Snell. Pretending like the bust rate of a former ROY is the same as the bust rate of a former Cy Young winner shows how out to lunch you are. Then again, maybe you’re simply blinded by your love for poor, poor Bauer.
Old York
@spliffTONE
Guy’s still in the league that did worse than Bauer and we’re cheering that they’re signing contracts? If you’re against DA, you shouldn’t be picking and choosing who we cheer for.
Blackpink in the area
Waymann I have no idea what your point is. None at all. Nobody says Bauer is some generational pitcher his talent is not the issue here at all.
Waymann
@Blackpink How much attention does Bauer really deserve though based on talent? It’s not like he was clearly the best free agent pitcher or anything like that. Far from it.
Case in point, the original comment in this string where somebody references Bauer completely tangentially on an article about where the 30 clubs are and who might still spend in free agency. Bauer’s talent level doesn’t warrant that type of “front of mind”-ness.
Blackpink in the area
He deserves attention because he’s been blackballed in MLB its really not about his talent at all other than he’s a capable big leaguer.
He’s probably the 5th best player available at the moment. And did the article even mention him? I don’t think it did.
spliffTONE
@Alvo Sumatro dErP
Old York
@spliffTONE
Troll?
spliffTONE
@Old York Oh….you think Alvo Sumatro’s laughable comment actually deserved a well thought out reply?
Shows where your head is at.
Old York
@spliffTONE
I guess you have nothing and are grasping at straws.
Thanks for coming out!
Woods Rider
I’m getting kick out this goober. He couldn’t display his ignorance on this topic any louder.
Alvo Sumatro
Watch your tone, boy
I.M. Insane
Trevor Bauer.. Guilty even when proven innocent. What a society.
Waymann
@insane What’s the expectation though? Just judging the player not the person, it’s not like Bauer would generate much interest if any at all. He’s also heading for his mid 30’s. Not like anyone is coming out with 5yr/$100M deals for those types of guys.
Woods Rider
@Waymann – I agree and disagree. I disagree in that I think he already generates interest, it’s just that teams are probably pretty tight lipped about it and that’s understandable.
I agree that he’s not getting a monster deal. IF he gets back into the MLB, I would expect something closer to the MLB minimum given his service time with a bunch of incentives. As you said, he’s in his mid-30’s and that leads to a more tepid market for any starter in that age bracket.
Even though he’s innocent, he has to appease the media and do his best to become a PR darling, so I’d imagine he’d in his best behavior. I also believe, with the low investment into him, any team that signs him would have him on thin ice and would cut ties at just the slightest inclination of him deviating from that path.
its_happening
The expectation is he pitches for one of the 30 teams because he would be considered a Top 150 starting pitcher in baseball. If that means league minimum, and he’s willing to sign it, sign him. Can’t have redemption without opportunity- although Bauer could make a living on social media and never throw a pitch again.
Johnny Devil
Yes you are.
websoulsurfer
MLB convicted him. Twice. He is guilty of knowingly violating the joint domestic violence, sexual assault and child abuse policy of MLB and the MLBPA. Bauer and his lawyer admitted it publicly.
terrymesmer
Wrong. Bauer admitted to awful and violent behaviour. That it was consensual made it very difficult to prosecute.
its_happening
Correct. That does not mean you keep him out of Major League Baseball where he’s qualified to play.
Stop being the person happily taking food off another person’s plate. Bauer’s behaviour was abhorrent. Give him a second chance, anger toward anger gets you nowhere.
HatlessPete
Whichever team improbably demonstrates the utter lack of business sense to sign a widely reviled player who hasn’t pitched in mlb since 2021, has an open civil lawsuit pending and whose long history of lacking self control and the ability to get along with teammates and coaches presents significant risk is not the answer to this headline. There I fixed it for ya. No need to thank me.
John Bird
The other issue with Bauer is that word out of the Dodgers clubhouse at the time was that the other players viewed him as toxic and wanted him gone. Telling that none of his former team mates has come to his defense.
HatlessPete
John it goes even further back then that. There are reported instances of animosity between him and teammates and coaches going back to high school ball. Examples include him feuding with Gerrit Cole at ucla and releasing a terrible hip hop diss track aimed at his catcher with the d backs.
Waymann
@Hatless and John
Exactly, fellas. Putting all the current stuff aside, Bauer has a track record of being a dubious clubhouse presence at best.
Woods Rider
@Hatless – Gerrit Cole doesn’t exactly have the best reputation for being a great teammate and isn’t a great example.
HatlessPete
@Woods, and if his beef with Gerrit Cole was the only example you might have a point. Coles image and rep are not relevant to the point and nor was he reportedly the only college teammate to have issues with Bauer. It’s just one example of a long standing pattern of behavior and outcomes where the common denominator is Bauer’s decision making and behavior. I don’t have time or interest in writing out every example for you. You don’t have to agree with the conclusion but there is a lot of evidence that trevor bauer has been considered a negative presence by at least some folks in most if not all of the organizations he has played with
Woods Rider
Fair enough. I would just caution the “evidence”. Becuase a guy doesn’t get along with a select few teammates or doesn’t agree with a coaching style, doesn’t make them a cancer. In fact, I’d say that his time in AZ was marked by immaturity. Some would say the same about Bryce Harper.
I’m not arguing that Bauer isn’t quirky, different, or maybe even an acquired taste. That probably rubs people the wrong way.
All I’m saying is that “evidence” is the opinion of a select few MLB players that have ego issues themselves.. Gerrit Cole being at the top of that list.
HatlessPete
Woods, I’m not trying to say that every teammate or coach that bauer has had disliked him or considered him a cancer. I would say that it’s unusual for a player to consistently be the subject of reports like this since high school ball and across several different teams though. There’s pretty much no such thing as a person who is universally liked or disliked. However with as much smoke as theres been with bauer throughout his career a lot of people are gonna reasonably figure there’s actually fire. And reams are probably going to consider that a risk. Throw the unresolved and extreme legal concerns of recent years, the conclusion reached by mlb’s investigation under the cba policy on top of the smoke from before and it adds up to a radioactive player from a pr and organizational culture perspective irrespective of his baseball ability imo.
its_happening
Mookie Betts took up for Bauer. That’s more than enough. Let it go, stop cheering for his blackballing out of the game.
HatlessPete
@its happening Betts said he had a good personal relationship with bauer and thought he was a good competitor. So what. Betts can have his opinion about trevor bauer but that isn’t more than enough let alone significant to the situation. I’ll hope for whatever I feel like bro. I happen to think that bauer is a totally loathsome clown and I’d be perfectly glad to never hear his name again. Like mookie also said its not in my control but I hope bauer never suits up in mlb again and I’ll certainly think a lot less of any team if they improbably sign him this offseason.
its_happening
So what?
Let him back in MLB and stop taking some moral stance that’s hypocritical at-best.
Blackpink in the area
How on earth can a player defend Bauer at this point without risking his livelihood?
Woods Rider
@blackpink – I don’t think it’s so much defending Bauer as it is debunkluing misinformation in reports. “Setting the record straight” perhaps.
Unfortunately, you are correct. In the world we live in now, you do risk your livelihood but having the unpopular viewpoint (be it cirrect or not). Probably why the Betts interview and statements got very little exposure. I only saw it on a sports tracker on the bottom of the screen and decided to google it.
Woods Rider
@ John Bird. That’s actually incorrect. Mookie Betts has come out publicy and claimed that he, personally, did not agree with those reports and has stated in the press that he found Bauer to be a good teammate.
Here’s the link to the SI article:
si.com/mlb/dodgers/news/mookie-betts-offers-ringin….
Slow day at work
Bauer LITERALY gets off on beating women, just like Kobe did. The guy is a POS, but whatever you do in the privacy of your bedroom, as long as it’s consensual, is your own business. However, it does not matter that he wasn’t found guilty. The cat is out of the bag and you can’t close Pandora’s box.
He is unlucky that we live in a time where social media is prevalent and he’s not as charismatic or as smart as Koby Bryant was.
But he chose his BDSM lifestyle and he has to live with the consequences.
Baseball is first and foremost a business. As a MLB player you sell both your image and your talent. Bauer seemingly isn’t smart enough to understand this concept or he’s arrogant enough to believe that it doesn’t apply to him.
Don’t feel sorry for him.
John Bird
@ Woods Rider. You are correct. One player did not find him a major league a-hole. Said Betts, “My experience with Bauer is not anything remotely close to what everyone else’s experience is.”
BaseballisLife
Actually, its not his own business. When a baseball player signs his contract he agrees to abide by the collectively bargained policies of MLB and the MLBPA. One of those policies regards domestic violence and according to that policy it doesn’t matter if its consensual. A player cannot beat his domestic partner.
Bauer and his attorney admitted that he beat the woman in a consensual BDSM relationship. That means he admitted to violating the policy and his contract.
So to choose a BDSM lifestyle means he has chosen not to play MLB.
letsgooakland123
Opinions about him personally aside, I think there’s a legit question as to whether he could hold his own in a competitive MLB rotation. Naoyuki Uwasawa, who signed a minor league deal, pitched to a 2.96 ERA. Bauer pitched to a slightly better 2.76.
I think he’s a depth option at best for competitive clubs, maybe a bounceback candidate for rebuilders.
websoulsurfer
Both Bauer and his attorney admitted publicly to the actions. He did what she said he did. Their claim was they were consensual. Legally that is a “he said/she said” case and they rarely are prosecuted criminally.
MLB found he was guilty of not one, but 3 counts of violating MLB and MLBPA’s joint domestic violence, sexual assault and child abuse policy. All with different women.
Then an arbitration panel upheld MLB’s ruling that he violated that domestic violence policy, but reduced the penalty. They still determined that he absolutely did violate the policy. That is TWICE.
Then Bauer lost a defamation lawsuit that HE filed against a magazine. The court found the claims were valid.
Soon thereafter he dropped two other defamation cases he had filed. One for the Athletic adding just ONE word to an article, the word allegedly. The other against the woman who originally asked for a restraining order against him.
So Bauer will probably never pitch in the major leagues again and he doesn’t deserve to. He knowingly broke the rules and even if it was consensual, it is so far beyond what is socially acceptable behavior that no team will take the PR hit to sign him.
On the baseball side, his ERA in seasons he did not use sticky substances was not good. He was a back of the rotation starter without it. How do we know when he was cheating with sticky stuff? Bauer himself told us on Twitter and on YouTube. We don’t even have to look at spin rate info and guess. We know for sure because he was proud of it and told the world.
So lets recap:
Admimttedly a freak of a human that likes to hit women to get his rocks off.
Convicted by MLB, an arbitration panel on appeal, and by a court of law in a defamation lawsuit he filed.
A PR nightmare waiting to happen.
Not well liked by his teammates. Most viewed him as toxic.
Not a good pitcher unless he was able to cheat.
Thinks he deserves to be paid like a top 10 starter in MLB.
Yeah, somehow I don’t see him getting signed.
norcalblue
That covers it quite nicely. Thank you websoulsearcher.
Old York
@websoulsurfer
Nice story but you missed the part where MLB continues to allow players that did much worse and were actually found guilty of said behavior. The hypocrisy of MLB is so blatantly obvious and fans like you lap up the nonsense that is only noise to somehow justify your biased feelings.
You wrote a lot of fluff with no substance.
Come back when you’re ready to talk about substance. L
HatlessPete
A+ job soulsurfer! Personally i think Bauer deserves to be shunned for his crimes against hip hop alone but the total package is a slam dunk that he shouldn’t get another mlb job.
its_happening
Bauer deserves a second chance and a contract at league minimum. Whatever you’re talking about relating to hip hop is irrelevant and your hatred could be a problem.
Deleted Userr
websoulsurfer and BaseballisLife are the same guy on 2 different accounte!!!!
its_happening
Good to know. Thanks!
HatlessPete
The thing about hip hop was a joke ya muppet. Bauer doesn’t deserve anything. Pitching in mlb is a privilege not a right.
terrymesmer
Decency? Please delete your account.
Old York
@terrymesmer
Please delete your account.
its_happening
Delete yours Terry. Lead by example.
citizen
Almost fairly certain boaras client harper is holding things up until he gets his extension, mostly an extension to the IL.
mlb fan
Boras does well for his top tier, top 5% clients, but the rest, like Belli, are often left holding the bag while Boras tries to extract the biggest commissions possible for himself. Boras has led Belli into most likely another 1 yr “pillow” contract, after reportedly turning down a 5 year 160M offer earlier in the off-season.
Horsepucki
Where did you see he turned down a 5/160?
mlb fan
“Where did you see?”…The same place I heard that Carlos Correa once turned down 275M(William Morris, not Boras were his agents then)to only later sign a smaller 200M contract, the INTERNET.
Horsepucki
So no reliable source.
Waldo29
That’s wild you’re blaming Harper for the slow offseason. There is zero chance the Boras Corp is putting Harper above all of their other clients
mlb fan
“That’s wild”…I hope that guy is kidding about Harper being the reason, but Boras made Harper look a little silly or greedy by suggesting “extension” for a guy with the better part of a decade left on his current deal.
Woods Rider
Agrre Waldo, this is a standard Boras Corp stall tactic. Some would argue it’s ruining the offseason. iTalk Studios did a great piece on it on their Youtube channel.
Rsox
Boras deals with the Phillies and Phillies alone in regards to Harper. If he was focused on only one player, who is already playing on a big money mega deal for years to come, all of his other clients would be seeking new agents.
The problem for all of these players is there a few owners who will actually deal with Boras and of those who are willing, some have chosen not to spend big (Angels, Nationals). You can call it collusion or whatever you want but when you already know that the ask is going to start at $200 million when you answer the phone you are less likely to take the call
nukeg
Can we please remove Bellinger from Angels consideration? That has to be Boras “pull in LA or NY” into the conversation. They got Hicks and now need to figure out where Adell fits as a 4th or 5th OF. They have no room in the OF and Schanuel looks to be getting a shot at 1B.
Belli will be a Cub at a discounted (from Boras ridiculous amount) rate.
websoulsurfer
Are you saying that because the Angels have Adell, that they cannot sign Bellinger?
That is like saying that because the Padres have Batten that they couldn’t sign Bogaerts. Actually Batten may be better than Adell at this point.
swanhenge
How freaking depressing is it to see our BoSox lumped in w the rest of those teams? What in the name of John Valentin is going on around here?!?!
Rsox
From the outside looking in it seems strange to not see the Sox being big spenders but the reality is it’s probably better for them not to bog themselves down with 2 or 3 franchise crippling contracts just for the sake of doing so
RickEO
Patience grasshopper. 1 year away. Not spending foolishly on mediocre players
swanhenge
Agree, this isn’t the greatest FA year. The adulation paid to Snell, Monty, etc is definitely in a vacuum. Just not sold on the potential of the 2024 rotation.
Woods Rider
@swanhenge – I agree. I believe that’s the main reason a team like the Phillies has been so quiet this offseason. The asking price is far too steep for what these players bring to the table. It makes more sense for rebuilding clubs as well as WS contenders to wait this out.
No sense in spending “Stupid Money” only to have it not work out later.
Joe says...
Rick I agree with you on Bellinger, Chapman etc. but every team would be better with Snell or Monty in the rotation. Boston should be all over one of those guys.
Joe says...
*Edit: I don’t mean to imply they should give Snell that ridiculous ask of 9 years for 270 million.
Halo11Fan
Shenanigans? There was nothing dishonest or secretive about the Angels maneuvering. Their maneuvers were shrewd and astute.
It’s one of the few things they did right? .
FSF
Angels shrewd and astute??? LOL!
Slow day at work
shrewd and astute? More like desperate and distraught
mlb fan
“There was nothing dishonest” ..Did you actually mean to use the words “astute”, “shrewd” and “Angels” in the same paragraph?
Halo11Fan
More evidence some people don’t follow baseball.
I hate that the Dodgers are paying Ohtani 2 million a year for 10 years. But it’s within the rules, and it was shrewd and astute.
I hate that the Angels were able to put all those players on the waiver wire, but they got under the cap, and got a much higher pick for Ohtani. I also believe they got more international bonus money.
Shrewd and astute describes the move very well.
AngelsFan1968
@Hallo11, agreed. So when a team defers nearly a billion dollars in player salaries to lessen their CBT penalties, MLBTR writers are quick to point out that it’s within the rules. But when the Angels maneuver within the rules, it’s referred to as a shenanigan. Interesting.
BTW, if it has nothing to do with the article, why mention it all?
Halo11Fan
Exactly 1968. Very poor choice of a word by the writer.
And if people don’t realize it was shrewd and astute, they don’t know baseball.
A lot of people who think they know baseball, don’t.
There should be zero pushback to what I wrote.
Johnny Devil
Very shrew and astute comments. It was shrew and astute of you .
Halo11Fan
Preacher, you’re a bit of a jerk. But you probably know that.
baked mcbride
You’re angry about the term “shenanigans”?
Halo11Fan
Angry is the wrong word. Dumfounded is a better word.
What’s amazing is last night my son used the word Shenanigans in a sentence. I was surprised my high school son knew the definition..
Im equally surprised this writer did not.
I believe the words I used to describe the Angels actions are accurate. The word Shenanigans is not.
phenomenalajs
The Angels are not my team, but I thought it was odd too to use ‘shenanigans’ in the sentence immediately following the one saying that Max Stassi was on the restricted list because of his time off due to his son being in the NICU. That sounds very cold to me. It’s as if a player or a team would want someone to be in that situation just to avoid payroll implications. SMH
Halo11Fan
The Angels paid Stassi for most of the year, even though he took most of the time off to be with his family during a very difficult time.
A lot of team have put players on the restrictive list a lot more quickly than the Angels.
The Angels (Moreno) often do things that are cold and uncaring, but paying Stassi 6 million dollars when he took most of the year off was not one of them
Johnny Devil
I’m assuming the players union had nothing to do with the God fearing and just plain good old halos paying stassi his contract. Like they did it out of the kindness of their hearts ?
Halo11Fan
Who knows? But he made a personal choice to not play baseball and 5 months later the Angels put him on the restricted list and the players union didn’t say boo. Neither did Stassi.
its_happening
You’re right. The real issue is why the Angels aren’t rebuilding or contending with the current roster.
Halo11Fan
@It’s happening.
My guess is the Angels know they have too many question marks to be considered a serious contender. Snell and Belanger have serious warts and their contracts are likely to hurt any team that signs them.
They’ll weed out the questions that are not answered in the affirmative and spend money next year.
There is also the possibility Arte will send the team and he feels it’s a mistake to saddle the new owner with another bad contract.
martras
@Halo11Fan
“Its_happening” posted a rhetorical question. There isn’t a good excuse for a team to be languishing away without any franchise direction. Either a team is building/contending or rebuilding. The Angels appear to be doing none of that. They’re just aimlessly floating in the ocean.
Still 2 weeks left so anything can happen/change.
Halo11Fan
I disagree. The Angels have question marks everywhere. What good is it to play whack-a-mole?
This is the year the need see what they have, because I don’t think anyone has a clue what they have, including the Angels.
You can’t replace Rendon or Trout.
Will Adell/Moniak improve.
What about young players, O’Hoppe, Schanuel, Neto.
Will Ward bounce back after getting hit in the face.
Will Detmers, Sandoval or Canning take a step forward like they did in 2022 or a step back like 2023.
And of course the big money players they can add will likely cause bigger problems.
Which mole do you whack? No one knows. So 2024 is the year they figure it out.
martras
@Halo11Fan – You’re missing the point.
If the team has holes everywhere… you REBUILD.
Halo11Fan
You missed the point. There is a huge difference between holes and question marks. You play the question marks so you can see who the holes are in 2025.
It’s stupid to play wack a mole when you don’t know where the mole is going to pop up.
Virtually every starter could be a plus player.
tedtheodorelogan
I’d love to say the Giants are the most likely, but successful real estate firms that happen to also own a baseball team don’t really need to worry about winning on the field. Breaking even is good enough for them. Farhan doesn’t have the sack to sign one of these dudes.
TheBull
@tedtheodorelogan Exactly. The San Francisco Giants organizationally, Have become a Real Estate Holding Corp with a Baseball Problem.
And they can get away with it because Bay Area baseball writers are notoriously SOFT and are incapable of critical analysis. So, there is zero pressure to actually do anything because they are not publicly held accountable.
1 Winning season since 2016??
This franchise is absolutely NOT committed to winning at all.
Rsox
Don’t count out the Giants. They still could walk away with Snell and Chapman before the offseason ends
tedtheodorelogan
I know they could. If they were a serious baseball team with intentions of winning they would sign all 4 of them. They can afford it, they just don’t care about championships anymore. Attempting to limp into a third wildcard spot with a rotation of Logan Webb and a bunch of question marks is good enough for them.
spliffTONE
@tedtheodorelogan “If they were a serious baseball team with intentions of winning they would sign all 4 of them”
Now that’s a laughable take. Thanks for showing us that your expectations of this front office are completely unrealistic.
claude raymond
Brilliant! We want to be the 2023 Mets! Brilliant! Ted, the future exGM. Brilliant!
tedtheodorelogan
Farhan is 5 years into his tenure, with 1 fluke winning season, a bottom half farm system, and is more than 100 games behind the Dodgers since he took over. Tell me, what about his mode of operation do you like? Is it the talentless, boring rosters that he assembles? Is it watching some relief pitcher start every few days because he won’t sign actual starting pitchers? As a fan of 40 years, his tenure, outside of the one winning season which was a total fluke, has been the least enjoyable baseball I’ve watched.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Same thing with the Tigers.
FO stringing along the fans, playing us for fools….
It’s a monopoly, with built in regional loyalties……
I feel %100 taken advantage of by a bunch of rich guys thumbing thier noses at me….
Laughing at.me.because,.that’s the system and Im.too dumb to.go.somewhere else…..
martras
The Tigers were an absolute disaster and the big money they spent when trying to build didn’t work out.
Mike Ilitch went all, and I mean ALL IN, pushing that team’s payroll to $200MM to chase a championship as his health deteriorated.
That left a desiccated corpse of a team which needed to be scrapped and rebuilt. Like what Houston did (and it took Houston years and years to do it)
its_happening
Sign Bauer, league minimum plus incentives. Hard to imagine Farhan would allow that thought to enter the front office.
Woods Rider
@ it’s happeniong – That’s what I keep saying. Bauer would probably sign for (if not very close to) the MLB minimum, with perofrmance or character incentives. Make it a one year deal, give it a team option for a second.
I keep saying the Philiers should do it. Could you imagine him in a rotation with Wheeler, Nola, Suarex, and Walker!?!
plus, that city already paved the way for Michael Vick’s chance at redemption, so it’s not osmething new for the City of Brotherly locve. PLUS, that team is chock full of personalities that are off the wall, Bauer would probably fit there better than anywhere else IMO.
Winning fixes a lot and I bet if a team like the Phillies did that AND won the WS, other fanbases would be pretty upset their contending team didn’t take the shot.
its_happening
Dombrowski’s dealt with troubled players in the past, in Montreal, Florida, etc.
Yankees, Orioles, Red Sox, Twins, Astros, Braves, Mets, Reds, Brewers, Pirates, Giants, DBacks….all including Philly should be on him at league minimum plus incentives.
foppert2
I’d actually prefer he made long term flexibility limiting decisions with his brain rather than his sack. There’s a time and place for sack, like killing the Correa deal, but when it comes to spending your superstar money on not superstars, the brain is the better option.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I have mixed feelings. Nobody is owed anything as a free agent. Technically speaking a guy can hit .500 with 100 home runs and a 15 WAR production level every year going into free agency and teams can simply decide that they all have log jams and not sign that guy. Nobody is owed anything.
And plenty of players have been paid fairly or overpaid and have received very long term, fair market value deals.
And while, on its face, it is odd that a player like Cody Bellinger hasn’t signed at all and Snell hasn’t signed at all, it also makes perfect sense:
They bounced back in big ways in 2023 after years of scuffling or severely underperforming, so it’s reasonable for teams to wonder if they’ll be getting the MVP calibre player or the borderline DFA player and neither player nor team want to come to an agreement that splits the difference, for the team’s fear that they vastly overpay and for the player’s fear that they accept an insanely steep underpay and for the concern that a contract becomes an albatross for the team or for the player’s fear that they prevent themselves from landing that potential mega deal that sets them for life and then some.
Is Bellinger a player worth 1 year/$30M or 2 years/$55M or 4 years/$100M or 6 years/$135M or 8 years/$260M?
Is Snell a player worth 1 year/$45M or 2 years/$75M or 3 years/$109.5M or 4 years/$116M 5 years/$130M or 5 years/$160M or 5 years/$200M? or is he a guy who will be DFA’d and out of the league in a few years?
Montgomery seems like a slam dunk best bet to live up to any 4-8 year deal at $20M to $30M a year, so why hasn’t anybody signed him?
Chapman seems like a safe bet for at least 2 years/$40M if not something like 5 years/$120M, so why hasn’t anybody signed him?
It’s very odd indeed. All of these are gambles, rolls of the dice, for player and team, but that’s a free market for you…or free agency, if you will…
jaysfansince1977
Trillionaire, Just replying to your Chapman part he did turn down a 4 year 100 Mil + extension with the Jays to test FA’cy, so it is unlikely he signs 2 years and the 5 Year 120 is pretty close to the Jays offer so if he had been offered that he would have already signed!! I think he is holding out for Semein Money and term, 7 years 175 Mil. JMHO
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I respectfully understand that and I remember him turning that kind of deal down, but I also think that there’s what he turned down then and what he can actually get now and they might be approximately the same value, regardless of what he turned down before in hopes of what he thought he might be able to get on the open market.
For whatever reason, teams seem reluctant to sign Chapman to an especially long contract (6+ years) and seem uncomfortable with him at an AAV of $25M or more.
Personally, I think he’s absolutely earned 5 years/$125M and if he was signed for that I think he’d live up to the deal exactly.
Nowadays it seems like every player’s contract is judged as an overpay or an underpay- either it’s bloated or it’s a discount- and somehow nobody is ever seen as having been paid the exact correct amount of money over the exact correct number of years.
Chapman seems like a guy worth 5 years/$125M and that he would live up to that deal- not underperform, not exceed, just live up to it- which, technically, should be more than acceptable.
Woods Rider
I wonder if that might be becuase of that taxes?
Other players have been turned off to Toronto due to the taxes and currency exchange.
Given the same dollar amount (Canadian vs US), it seems to me that the better deal would be in the US. Perhaps that’s what played a factor in Chapman rejecting that extension?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Because its.just down right shameful to pay someone.that.much to play baseball
It’s shameful to charge that.much to.have fans.watch or.come to the games.
It’s shameful to pay that.much to.watch.
It’s a monopoly and.we.are.getting.the worst of it……
Its.just shameful.
I like.baseball but this is an embarrassment to our culture. We should.value other things more.
Pretty selfish.and poor.leadership to allocate our resources
To baseball like this.
LambchoP
Hopefully the Twins have one more impact move coming before spring training…
radhippo
Angels need to sign Snail 5-150mil
Sign Bauer to the minimum
Sign Bellinger 4-100mil
That would change the franchise immediately!!
joew
two best free agents available are Bellinger and Bauer.
I think 70/30 Bauer won’t be in the MLB this season (if ever again)
Pirates can easily afford a Long(ish) term deal for either or both. Back load it a moderate amount and assuming one or both are still at least average offloading some of that salary shouldn’t be overly difficult
I’d do 7-10 years at a 25M aav for Bellinger who has been above average and has some time at first.
Bauer3-5m at 20m AAV with some harsh penalties for “bad” behavior. Maybe give Bauer a bonus at the end of the contract if he is a goody boy.
If some how the team could pull off those signings they’re an instant contender for a deep playoff run while still keeping them at or below league average payroll. the risk is that if they suck or otherwise cannot play that takes a big hit.
Rsox
Nutting would never write those checks. Bauer is radioactive and is not being welcomed back to MLB anytime soon.
Bellinger is still sitting out there because i don’t think too many teams are putting much stock in a bounce back year playing at Wrigley Field in which he still missed a month with a knee injury. Looking for a 10-12 year deal in the $250-300 million range was always going to be a pipe dream
joew
I didn’t think they would spend 10m on a aging out reliever.
Bob seems to have given Ben some room to work. Probably because Ben knows how to spend money to win Not a huge amount but 100m is more than reasonable this season if Bob and Ben think they’re in a position to smash that window open this season and probably quite a bit more going forward if it somewhat worked.
Yeah with everything going on I’d think Bauer would be getting more attention… hes gotten some but seems like everyone turned away pretty quickly. But baseball wise, you will be hard pressed to find anyone better at the “discount” price he’d probably take. Heck I wouldn’t’ be surprised if he would sign a 1y/5m deal if it was offered.
Cody I think he’ll be pretty average at minimum but probably better than average. second half of last season he tore it up even when you take into account his mini slump. 909 OPS the second half with over 300 PAs
Given he has been well above average over all 5 of seven seasons I think teams are willing to do long term but getting 300m i agree is a pretty big ask.
Rsox
All Chapman has to do is have a decent first half and he’s tradeable, just like the Royals did last year.
martras
Bauer will not be in MLB this year.
Bauer will be in MLB next year if
1. The AZ lawsuit is dismissed or ends in Bauer’s favor
2. No other actions against him are started.
3. He doesn’t destroy his reputation further.
Bellinger has a ton of red flags for a long term investment.
1. The ceiling for Bellinger is probably 4 WAR. The 2019 juiced ball season is a massive outlier. Last year’s 4 WAR campaign would still not make him elite. There are 6 or 7 center fielders who are better (when healthy) than Bellinger right now, even if last year was the standard for him moving forward.
2. His barrel rate, hard hit rate and average exit velocities were all poor last year. His max exit velocity (raw power) was average. his xwOBA was 43 points (absolutely huge) lower than where he actually performed and his career xwOBA is nearly identical to his actual. Basically, it really looks like a smoke and mirrors performance last year.
3. Bellinger does not have elite speed. He can cover CF right now, but he can’t afford to lose a step. OAA is the only metric which has Bellinger as a plus defender.
4. He had two terrible seasons before last year’s very nice rebound.
joew
my limited understanding in the AZ case is that it is Civil and from my helicopter view is about as shady that was just settled generally in his favor.
The rest would likely conditions of any contract he may sign. He has said the past month or two that he is recognizing bad decisions and taking steps to improve… so he says. Hope its true. Might just trying to look better for a contract but he doesn’t come off as a guy who says things just to make things easier.
martras
Evidence, logic and reason don’t matter in cases alleging sexual misconduct. All it takes a few jaded jurors or a bad judge to make an emotional connection to the plaintiff/complaintant.
solaris602
That’s a tall order for Bauer. I think the A’s should shoot the works and sign him. What do they have to lose?
websoulsurfer
Both Bauer and his attorney admitted publicly to the actions. He did what she said he did. Their claim was they were consensual. Legally that is a “he said/she said” case and they rarely are prosecuted criminally.
MLB found he was guilty of not one, but 3 counts of violating MLB and MLBPA’s joint domestic violence, sexual assault and child abuse policy. All with different women.
Then an arbitration panel upheld MLB’s ruling that he violated that domestic violence policy, but reduced the penalty. They still determined that he absolutely did violate the policy. That is TWICE.
Then Bauer lost a defamation lawsuit that HE filed against a magazine. The court found the claims were valid.
Soon thereafter he dropped two other defamation cases he had filed. One for the Athletic adding just ONE word to an article, the word allegedly. The other against the woman who originally asked for a restraining order against him.
So Bauer will probably never pitch in the major leagues again and he doesn’t deserve to. He knowingly broke the rules and even if it was consensual, it is so far beyond what is socially acceptable behavior that no team will take the PR hit to sign him.
On the baseball side, his ERA in seasons he did not use sticky substances was not good. He was a back of the rotation starter without it. How do we know when he was cheating with sticky stuff? Bauer himself told us on Twitter and on YouTube. We don’t even have to look at spin rate info and guess. We know for sure because he was proud of it and told the world.
So lets recap:
Admimttedly a freak of a human that likes to hit women to get his rocks off.
Convicted by MLB, an arbitration panel on appeal, and by a court of law in a defamation lawsuit he filed.
A PR nightmare waiting to happen.
Not well liked by his teammates. Most viewed him as toxic.
Not a good pitcher unless he was able to cheat.
Thinks he deserves to be paid like a top 10 starter in MLB.
Yeah, somehow I don’t see him getting signed.
joew
yes bauer did say some of the things were done, but the woman also said she had a knife to her neck. I think i read that action was in dispute.
MLB is not a legal authority. The mlb has rules that seem to be based on how much bad PR a player generates. The arbiter reduces his suspension basically for time served. As you said a lot of people don’t like his personality MLB didn’t like him even before all of this.
What was failed to mention in your wall of text is that there where claims filed against her for extortion and a year later she filed a claim against him. Trevor got repeated calls asking for large amounts of money and such from Trevor and he paid for the medical bills related to her saying she was pregnant
Defamation cases have quite a bit of barriers to cross depending on the situation and your public status. Dropping a claim of defamation case means nothing to me. As you know civil cases often do not care about the facts.
The fact they couldn’t even bring charges in any criminal fashion in any case says a lot. If it is as bad as they say you would think one of them would have gotten past the initial investigation. They have to investigate every one of these claims. There are two reasons for this. 1> they got nothing of substance. 2> if they charge him and lose he cannot be charged with it again so if someone stumbles on real actionable evidence before statutes of limitations are up they can then bring charges.
1: PR Nightmare – possibly/likely which is why a team who already has bad PR would be a good fit. Die Hards are the only ones who pay close attention and nearly all will continue to be a fan, more so when he pushes the team to win.
2. Trevor has a lot of people who do not like paying with him. he also has a decent sized group of people who like him. seems to be a lovem or hatem type guy.
3. He has been a great pitcher since 2018. Playing as a Mid rotation to Cy Young level since. He is continuing that in Japan. If he’s cheating no one would be surprised mostly because of all the accusations of current MLB pitchers cheating in recent years. yeah he could fall into that group. Before then he was an acceptable back end guy.
4. His PR will not give him a 30m AAV contract guarantee again. I don’t think there are any doubts of that from anywhere. Just baseball yeah he probably would get a 30M+ aav but as a whole package, no.
IMO: He should be in the MLB. Someone should offer him a contract with behavior stipulations. He should agree to any contract that pays him what he is making now or more. Teams should do a long term contract now with those stipulations. If he keeps clean then you got a good pitcher on a bargin. If he screws up well acceptable risk.
But you know, just like my opinion man.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
It’s really about a group of sexually knowing people, and let not pretend there are not a lot of sex and groupies with professional sports = they surrounded and made a young man, Bauer, believe people did this and it is OK TO DO.
A GROUP OF ORGANISED PEOPLE got him to do it by.making him belive it is OK. They got away with. RUINING HIS LIFE.
Bauer is by himslef.and obviously trying figure out life with NO PROFESSIONAL.MENTOR.
PEOLLE USED TO LOOK OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER = ESPECIALLY THIER BROTHER BASEBALL PLAYER
NOT JUMP ON BOARD TO SCREW SOMEONE.
His agent must be.an.idiot for not.talking to him about things like this or at least someone along the line. Yes. I believe %100 he was set up.
He should have a job.
websoulsurfer
Bauer has not even had any return calls from teams. He is a pariah.
He was not a good pitcher without sticky stuff. High 4s ERA. Back of the rotation pitcher. Even without the PR nightmare that would come along with signing him, he is not worth $3-5 million when you can get a kid for the minimum to give you the same production.
Woods Rider
“Bauer has not even had any return calls from teams. He is a pariah.”
What are you, his admninstrative assistant?
How would you know who his agents have or have not talked to?
“He was not a good pitcher without sticky stuff.”
True, he did use it. Just like Gerrit Cole and other active MLB pitchers did.
The only difference is, Bauer got out in front of it and asked Manfred to do something about it and braodcasting himself using it to prove his point. He couldn’t have been any louder about how those substances were affecting the game. He made Manfred look bad and forced his hand to do something (albeit for just a little bit) to save face. It was obviouis that Manfred took (and still takes) exception.
Gerrit Cole sat behind a press conference table as meekly as possible, cowered, and lied to everyone’s faces.
As Michael Jordan said, Stop it. Get some help.
websoulsurfer
Bauer said so. Said in essence that they were stupid because he was a top 15 pitcher in the world and they should be reaching out to him, not running from his agents calls.
Maybe pay attention to the horse’s mouth.
Bauer NEVER talked to Manfred. He even said so. What he did do is get on YouTube and Twitter and admit, even brag, about his own cheating. HUGE difference. Nothing he did forced Manfred’s hand in the matter. What it did was show his lack of ability to play in the league without cheating.
He is simply not a good pitcher unless he cheats. His own words prove that by telling when he didn’t cheat, his bad years, and when he did cheat, his few good years.
That you are trying to DEFEND cheating says all anyone needs to know about your lack of moral character.
Blackpink in the area
I believe the Angels will sign one of the top 2 pitchers. Beyond that I really don’t know. Maybe the Cubs sign Bellinger if not I have no idea where he goes. Chapman maybe Giants if not no idea. Maybe the Rangers bring Montgomery back but I don’t think so. Yankees perhaps bring Montgomery back.
Boras has overplayed his hand. It’s now February teams are moving on and moving forward.
Cooperdooper7
Blackpink :”Boras has overplayed his hand. It’s now February teams are moving on and moving forward”
EXACTLY…. and how sweet it is….. All four of those Top Guys still out there should fire his A$$ immediately…… and I guarantee all four would have a new team in a week.
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Slow day at work
Don’t we say this every year? “Boras has overplayed his hand” and every year some team blinks when spring training is about to start and makes him look like a genius.
This one belongs to the Reds
Reds have two huge holes in an ace starting pitcher and a quality setup man in front of Diaz. You could say their RF situation is unsettled due to inexperience and cibstant injury too, but I suspect EDLC may eventually end up there with too many infielders around.
At any rate, there is still a gap between their max and where they are and there are obviously deals to be had as players are starting to sweat.
kellin
I’m completely mystified by all the dudes that want to sleep with Bauer. Like, seriously, move on, the rest of the league has.
Old York
@kellin
Are you saying that MLB doesn’t want some of the top talent playing in their league anymore? That’s too bad. I’ve been turned off a bit by their attitude towards top talent being rejected while allowing lesser talent who have criminal issues continue to play in the league. Strange take for the league.
JoeBrady
Dudes want to sleep with Bauer? I’m not sure that is his interest??
TellItGoodbye
Right? There seems to be an odd obsession with this one dude. I have my suspicions where it comes from, but I’d rather get back to my own obsession with the Giants dumping Joey Bart!
oldgfan
For sure. Years out of the league, in decline, can’t use the stickum. He won’t be near the pitcher he was. Key word, was.
Cooperdooper7
I could give a rats A$$ about Bauer…. my problem is with the double talking two faced lying Commisioner Manfred who is doing his best to look just as corrupt as Roger Goodell.
Old York
@Cooperdooper7
The problem for Bauer isn’t the claims from the women, the MLB still allows guys like Aroldis Chapman, Marcell Ozuna, Domingo German, Roberto Osuna, Julio Urias, to play. It’s the fact that he exposed the MLB and ridiculed them, and Rob Manfred, just to turn around and win the Cy Young and get a record setting contract.
rangers13
Montgomery likely resigns with Texas along with Belt. If Texas doesn’t sign these I think they should sign one of Boyd, Syndergard, Lauer, or Turnbull for depth and then trade Duran to Miami for Nardi or Puk. Belli back to Cubs, Chapman to SF, Snell to Angels, Soler to Boston, JD Martinez Cardinals or Twins.
Phree4u
Sounds about right
619MetroFriars
Tommy Pham reunion in San Diego? Still need a replacement for Soto to man Left Field for us 162 games.
Jack Hoffman
Bellinger- Angels
Snell – Mets
Chapman – Cubs
Montgomery – Yankees
websoulsurfer
I think you may have it. Still think Montgomery goes back to the Rangers, but Yankees certainly can afford to pay him even with a 110% CBT tax on top of his salary.
Slow day at work
Angles won’t sign another outfielder.
claude raymond
Article uses Cots and Fangraphs (Roster Resource) for their CBT numbers. Spotrac historically is most accurate. Their CBT numbers are about $10 million lower. Dodgers are at $298 mil (article above says $308 mill). Giants at $194 mil (article says $208). Another reason to question the writers accuracy is that he writes that the Dodgers are in 3rd straight year if being taxed. It’s the 4th straight year. At any rate, story accuracy is questionable
Pads Fans
What does dipping under the CBT and their TV contract have to do with each other?
When the Dodgers, Yankees, and Red Sox dipped under the CBT it was a smart thing but somehow for the Padres is financial constraints. Give me a break.
Padres didn’t lose money on TV and may have increased TV revenue overall. Neither did the Diamondbacks. The uncertainty might be an issue, but DSG going belly up is not.
Pads Fans
This is ABSOLUTELY NOT why the Padres are cutting payroll.
“The Padres have been cutting spending this winter due to their TV deal collapsing and their past aggression putting them out of whack with the league’s debt-to-service ratio rule.”
The ONLY writer that brought up the debt service rule BS recanted the following day. MLB said that they were NOT in violation of that rule.
MLB paid the Padres 80% of the one payment from DSG that they missed in May of last year. After that they didn’t lose a penny and are making at a minimum the same money from TV and streaming as they did in 2023. We know that for an absolute fact because of filings in the DSG bankruptcy case.
If they end up under the CBT threshold its because the Padres want to revert to the lowest level of CBT penalties. Its smart business to do so every few seasons just like it was when the Dodgers, Yankees, and Red Sox did it.
So when are you going to stop putting out complete misinformation MLBTR?
User 4095290658
If Bob Nutting is serious about contending this season while increasing payroll, he’ll give Cherington enough dollars for the Pirates to sign Michael A Taylor who’s the perfect fit at as an elite defensive right-handed CF.
Suwinski showed last season he’s stretched in PNC’s large CF, Reynolds has never been more than a LF and Bae’s yet to prove he can hit MLB pitching despite showing he’s a better outfielder than 2B.
I know the Bucs still have holes at 1B and SP, but sorting out the OF defense is key for me.
Woods Rider
As a Phillies fan, I’m really hoping Nutting gets off his duff and does what he can to make the Pirates competitive. I feel for Pirates fans.
The Pirates have an absolutely gorgeous park, and an excellent fanbse and they will SHOW UP when Nutting invests in the product.
So many good players that the Pirates have drafted have been traded off. It really is a shame. I do think having Chapman in the back with Bednar is a shot in the arm and a signal in the right direction that maybe this could be for real. I also agree with you that Taylor would be a good fit in CF. He doesn’t have a great bat, but he saves a lot of runs and has good speed.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Cashman and Dombrowski are the BEST in the game.
Both of them seem to be really good guys. I really don’t believe the Yankees are “the evil empire”.
The Tigers have taken advantage of thier loyal fansbase for 10 years.
3M to 1.5M
Woods Rider
That’s why chemistry needs to exist between ownership and FO. Dombrowski seems to work well with Middleton in Philadelphia and Middleton has given him the power to make some good moves.
Also, thus far, he hasn’t really traded away much in terms of the future either to bring guys in on trades.
BaseballisLife
Not the Mets, Yankees, or Dodgers who are all over the Cohen Tax level of CBT and have been over the CBT for 3 years so would have to pay a 110% penalty for each dollar they spend on any additional players.
$30 million for Snell or Montgomery is really $63 million to those teams.
drasco036
I think Chapman and Bellinger both end up on the Cubs. Chapman will secure an opt out for next season, Bellinger for the second season.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
“Meanwhile” has to START the sentence; it can’t come in the middle, set off by commas.