For weeks now, the baseball world’s spotlight has been pointed at the “Boras Four.” Cody Bellinger, Matt Chapman, Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery are all represented by the Boras Corporation and each one lingered in free agency until late February as a staring contest seemed to be taking place between the agency and interested clubs.
The first blink finally came over the weekend, with Bellinger agreeing to return to the Cubs on a short-term, opt-out laden deal. Bellinger is guaranteed $80MM over three years but can walk away after each of the first two seasons, collecting salaries of $30MM in each of those two campaigns.
Now the attention will turn to the other three, and it’s possible there are domino effects of the Bellinger deal, particularly for Chapman. The Cubs were a speculative fit for starting pitchers this winter, but they signed Shota Imanaga and were never firmly connected to either Snell or Montgomery.
But for Chapman, the Cubs were one of four clubs to have been reportedly involved in his market. Adding Bellinger to the club doesn’t eliminate the roster fit with Chapman, as their third base mix is still fairly unsettled. It seems like some combination of Christopher Morel, Patrick Wisdom and Nick Madrigal will be vying for playing time at the hot corner. Morel has just 180 2/3 big league innings at the position with poor grades from defensive metrics. It’s a fairly small sample, but the Cubs haven’t been confident enough in his abilities there to let him expand it. His potent bat also comes with concerns, including a 31.6% strikeout rate thus far in his career. Wisdom’s profile is somewhat comparable while Madrigal is the inverse, providing solid glovework and avoiding strikeouts but with almost no power to speak of.
There would be an argument to the Cubs adding Chapman to solidify that position. The designated hitter spot is open, which would still give Morel a path to regular at-bats while serving as a utility player, moving to various positions to give others an occasional day off. Wisdom and Madrigal could be useful role players off the bench.
However, the Cubs may be done making impact signings. After the Bellinger deal, Roster Resource pegs their competitive balance tax number just above $234MM. That puts just them barely under this year’s $237MM base threshold. They have paid the tax in the past, but not since 2019. They were technically over the line in 2020 but the taxes were waived in the pandemic-shortened season.
If the Cubs wanted to, they could get back over the line again, but they might to prefer to stay where they are for now. They could use the first half of the season to assess Morel’s abilities at the position and then make a deadline trade if they decide an upgrade over him, Madrigal and/or Wisdom is warranted.
What also might be an issue is that Chapman may be less inclined to take a short-term deal like the one Bellinger signed. While Bellinger in 28 years old, Chapman is a couple of months away from his 31st birthday. Returning to the open market a year from now would have some appeal, since he’s currently saddled with a qualifying offer. Players can only receive one QO in their careers, and that wouldn’t be a concern next winter. He could also perhaps stay healthy and put together a better offensive platform, after he was seemingly held back by a finger injury in 2023. But his primary selling point is his defense, and the appeal of that glovework to clubs will likely only go down as he pushes further into his 30s. If clubs are wary of making a long-term commitment to Chapman at the moment, that’d only be truer next offseason, barring a massive resurgence at the plate.
It’s possible Chapman is looking to bank as much money as possible right now, which might not make the Cubs the perfect fit in the long term. Two of their best prospects are infielders in Matt Shaw and James Triantos. Shaw was just drafted last summer but was in Double-A by the end of the year and may not be too far from the majors. Triantos also reached Double-A last year and then seemed to have a breakout in the Arizona Fall League. Both of them have played second base, third base and shortstop in the minors, but the Cubs are fairly set up the middle. Dansby Swanson is still one of the best defensive shortstops in the game and is signed through 2029. Nico Hoerner is excellent at the keystone, and his contract runs through 2026.
With Shaw and Triantos on the way, Morel a plausible solution at third base in the short term and the club’s CBT number right up against the line, the Cubs may not want to make a big investment in Chapman. Perhaps that would change if Chapman is open to a short-term deal but, as mentioned, there are reasons why he may not be as amenable to that structure as Bellinger was.
Besides the Cubs, the three other clubs that have been connected to Chapman in rumors are the Blue Jays, Giants and Mariners. The Jays employed Chapman last year and have reportedly been interested in bringing him back, though the rumors connected to the two sides have largely dried up since November. In the interim, the Jays have added infielders Justin Turner and Isiah Kiner-Falefa to the roster.
The signings of those two players shouldn’t close the door to a Chapman reunion, as Turner could fill the role served by Brandon Belt last year, serving primarily as a DH while donning a glove from time to time. Kiner-Falefa could replace Whit Merrifield, who split his time between second base and the outfield for the Jays last year.
That means Chapman could still retake his position from last year while leaving the Jays in essentially the same spot as 2023, but they also have an army of young infielders. Between Turner, Kiner-Falefa, Cavan Biggio, Santiago Espinal, Davis Schneider, Damiano Palmegiani, Orelvis Martinez, Addison Barger, Leo Jimenez and Ernie Clement, they may feel they have enough bodies to cover both second and third base. They also brought in veteran Eduardo Escobar on a minor league deal.
Beyond the roster fit, there’s also the financial question. The club opened last season with a franchise-high payroll of $210MM, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts. They are already way beyond that for this year, with Roster Resource putting them at $236MM. They also have a CBT figure of $249MM, already $12MM over the base threshold. Signing Chapman to a significant deal would mean pushing beyond the second line of $257MM. General manager Ross Atkins recently suggested that adding anything to the books would also require subtraction, implying they are at their limit.
The Giants don’t strictly need a third baseman, as they have J.D. Davis at the hot corner. However, upgrading the defense has been a concern for that club after some recent struggles. Their team-wide -15 Defensive Runs Saved last year had them 23rd in the league. Chapman has a tally of 92 DRS in his career, including 12 in 2023. Davis, meanwhile, was at -11 last year. His Outs Above Average tally was much nicer at +5, but even OAA considers him subpar in his career.
Chapman would give the club a nice defensive boost to the left side of the infield, which may be extra important if they plan to give rookie Marco Luciano an audition at shortstop. It’s also been speculated that Chapman’s connections to manager Bob Melvin and president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi might play a role, as both of them were with the Athletics when Chapman was drafted by that club.
But there are also reasons why Chapman may not end up in San Francisco. Zaidi recently threw some cold water on the possibility of a notable addition. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s off the table, as Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts made some similar comments not long before they agreed with Bellinger. But the Giants are also relatively close to the CBT line, with Roster Resource putting them at $213MM. They have paid the tax in the past but not since 2017.
Perhaps the market for the top free agents has been depressed enough that they can sign one of the remaining Boras guys while staying under the line. That’s especially true of Chapman, if signing him led to a trade of Davis and some or all of his $6.9MM salary. But even if there’s powder dry for another move, it’s arguable that it would make more sense for them to go after Snell or Montgomery, both of whom they have had reported interest in. Their rotation has little certainly beyond Logan Webb, as both Alex Cobb and Robbie Ray will be starting the year on the injured list. Webb will be backed up by Jordan Hicks, who is unproven as a starter, as well as inexperienced youngsters like Kyle Harrison, Tristan Beck and Keaton Winn.
As for the Mariners, they are currently slated to have a platoon of Luis Urías and Josh Rojas at the hot corner. Both of them are coming off poor seasons, with Rojas finishing with a wRC+ of 78 and Urias at 83. Even though Chapman struggled a bit last year, his wRC+ still finished at 110. He’s also a better defender than either of them and would give the club a clear upgrade.
Despite the roster fit, general manager Justin Hollander recently said the club’s upcoming additions would likely be more marginal in nature. The M’s had an Opening Day payroll of $137MM last year, per Cot’s, and Roster Resource puts them at $135MM going into this year. They’ve been as high as $158MM in the past but it’s been reported that their TV revenue uncertainty may prevent them from pushing far beyond last year’s figure.
There are other clubs that could make for speculative fits but they haven’t yet been meaningfully connected to Chapman in his nearly four months on the open market. The Angels could sign him and bump Anthony Rendon into a DH role, but their rotation also needs upgrading and owner Arte Moreno recently said the club will have a lower payroll this year. The Mets have an uncertain third base mix but seem willing to let Brett Baty and Mark Vientos battle for time there, and they are facing a 110% tax bill on any further spending at this point. The Yankees could bump DJ LeMahieu into a utility role but are also facing a 110% tax bill on further spending. The Phillies could sign Chapman and move Alec Bohm to the bench but there hasn’t been any indication they are thinking of doing so. They are also looking at sizeable taxes and are only $16MM away from the third CBT tier, the crossing of which would cause their top 2025 draft pick to be pushed back 10 spots. The Brewers could make sense but they also may want to let Joey Ortiz have a shot at third base after acquiring him in the Corbin Burnes trade and don’t usually make huge free agent splashes anyway. Young outfielder Sal Frelick will also be getting looks in the infield this spring.
A couple of months ago, MLBTR ran a poll looking at Chapman’s market. The Cubs were the third most popular choice, getting 19.65% of the votes. Presumably, less readers will see the fit after the Bellinger signing, but let’s find out. Where do you think he’ll end up?
That post also featured a poll about Chapman’s earning power. At that point, almost 60% of respondents still felt Chapman could get over $100MM. That percentage will also likely be lower as he remains unsigned with the month of March just over the horizon, but let’s see. Have your say in the polls below!
Reynaldo
Brewers fans: how does Frelick look at 3B so far?
dray16
not bad enough for Milwaukee to ever spend money
rondon
Oh, no worries there- They never overspend.
nukeg
I’m hoping the Angels kept their receipt on Rendon so they can return him to Boras for Chapman.
Wagner>Cobb
How does his market look now? Not good.
Should’ve taken the 10 year extension for 150 million that Oakland offered a few years back.
Whyme
He was offered 100mill for 4 or 5 years by the Jay’s last season lol
Wagner>Cobb
Should’ve taken that too.
Jaysfansince92
I’m glad he didn’t. That would have been an overpay.
Wagner>Cobb
If I was a GM I’d offer him 4/60 with an option for a 5th year. Probably still an overpay, but if my team really needed a 3B, it’s not too exorbitant of a fee.
daro
60/3 with a club option for 15m
mlb fan
“60/3 with a club”. Seems about right.
Plugnplay
Sounds about right Daro. He might also get a player option after the first year to.
scissormetimbers
Even that feels high for a guy who can’t hit anymore.
Murphy NFLD
Im a jays fan id have to say id rather he didnt come back BUT if hes willing to take 18-21 over 4-6 years they should consider it. Chapman has power and elite defense and while defense usually falls off as people age you would think he would still be in the top half of 3b defense wise until 36 or 37. Have been saying i want 1 of the youngsters to win the 3b job out of camp but if champmans willing to take less then they should do it. I think he signs else where for somewhere around 18M for 6 years at 108 if he wants a long term deal and 20-21M per if he is going 2-4 years
Skell 2
Chapman won a gold glove and proved he couldn’t catch up with a fast ball this season. He looks like a player that will age awfully. Hard pass.
178iq
NYY has a steal with DJL at 3b. He can’t hit anymore either but plays solid D at 3b at a huge discount. I think Chapman sits on the shelf a little longer. Same as snell and Monty.
Canuckleball
DJ is making 15 mil a year through 2026. He generated 1.3 WAR last season, with a 96 OPS+, 3 Defensive Runs Saved at 3rd or 3 Outs Above Average if you prefer that metric.
Basically, he’s a somewhat weak bat at a position that is often expected to produce, while providing moderately above average defense.
15 mil a year for that is not a steal or a huge discount. if anything, it’s maybe a slight overpay.
fre5hwind
Last year was the first year to me that DJL looked a little old, still a productive player though.
Dogleg62
DJ was hurt last season and it showed. He’s healthy now, but at his age, who knows for how long. He took a hot liner in the face during yesterday’s ST game. But I’d be fine with him sticking at the hot corner all season. They did win a couple of World Series with Scott Brosius and Charlie Hayes playing 3b in their past. Like those teams, there’s enough other BIG bats to make up the difference for his output at the #5 position.
case
It’s Boras, so he’ll probably wait for desperation and find a team dumb enough to guarantee big money while giving Chapman immediate opt out opportunities.
rocky7
Is it just possible that Chapman and his agent have grossly overestimated both his offensive/defensive worth and the markets intentions to pay for the return he’s offering……..just saying…..and yes, I know all about his glove and the whole runs saved junk……
mlb fan
“Is it just possible that”…Chapman is essentially a no-hit, all-glove free agent third baseman and Scott Boras is trying to sell him as a “generational” and “transformative” player who’s worth 27M/yr for extended years. Scott Boras is the literal definition of a one trick pony.
JoeBrady
He had a 108 OPS+, making him an above-average hitter.
GSWfanklay
But wildly inconsistent and most of his damage was in April
bullred
Sounds good, I will pay him 8 % more than an average hitter makes.
scissormetimbers
After April, he couldn’t hit a ball.
Murphy NFLD
He still has 20 HR power at worst and 30 at his best and will hover around 23 or 24 for the next few seasons at least IMO. He strikes out too often is his real issue as most jays players often do the past 10 years. Honestly if Grichuk walked more he would have been a great player to keep aswell, but if everyone walked more they would be better so….
JoeBrady
I will pay him 8 % more than an average hitter makes.
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But you also have to pay for his defense.
JoeBrady
After April, he couldn’t hit a ball.
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He was hurt for part of the year.
Gator50
Is this Scott Boras in disguise?
bullred
Is this Scott Boras in disguise?
What disguise? It is Boras.
178iq
Seems he had some walks due to who he was hitting next to in the line up. Also had some seeing eye singles here and there. That number is means squat. He’s going to hit around the Mendoza line. He might not sign a contract intel mid march or even April if there is an injury. He’s a bum with a shiny glove. .
JoeBrady
Amazing how powerful memes are even when false, right?
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I’m just someone that likes to point out statistics.
You probably won’t remember, but when MLB-R had the article about Chapman getting a “massive contract”, I was one of the few that pointed out his statistics were heavily influenced by his BABIP, which would likely revert to his historical norms, which were quite good, but not “massive”.
Now you guys are making the same mistake that MLB-R made, but in reverse. You’re taking a look at the BABIP reversal I predicted, plus his injury, and ignoring the player that Chapman has historically been.
LouWhitakerHOF
Chapman had 5 great weeks near the beginning of last season. The rest of the season the bat was terrible. No way I give him a long term deal. All glove not much bat.
Dogbone
I think you’re right, mlb fan.
I don’t think too many people care what, the market is for Chapman – – except Chapman and Boras.
Whyme
Jays can offer 10 mill lol
Mikenmn
A long term high dollar contract for Chapman can start looking very Josh Donaldson. Chapman was terrific in 2018/9, but, while very good now, hasn’t gotten anywhere near there since. Maybe 4 years, $90M with no opt-outs.
rocky7
Mike….not to disparage Chapman or your comment but his “very good now” only refers to his defense….certainly not his inconsistent offense…he pretty much petered out after the Spring and was an easy out for most of the summer and fall…..
Mikenmn
That’s fair. He’s a little young to lose it entirely with the bat, so maybe it was just a blip. But it’s still a big blip in you are going to pay big bucks
case
He’s never been that great against top pitchers and after 2 good years the league seemed to learn how to pitch to him. It’s been 5 years since he was worthy of a top tier contract.
JoeBrady
There was also the finger injury. And BABIP accounted for almost all the differential between the 1st and 2nd halves.
its_happening
Finger injury or not his bat is suspect.
scissormetimbers
Suspect? I’d say it sucks
its_happening
Was trying to be nice.
drasco036
So just out of curiosity, given his injury took place at the end of August, what is the excuse for his horrible May, June and rest of August before his finger boo boo?
Gator50
I suspect his finger injury may have been suspect.
refereemn77
I think that’s the high! 4/80 is my top. I agree on the Donaldson similarity. How the Twins ever got NYY to take that contract is still beyond me!
Fernando P
Worse Cashman move ever. Bad enough to take on that contract, but they also got nothing in way of prospects to provide Minnesota salary relief
its_happening
Stanton was the worst Cashman move. Underrated bad Cashman move was the Hicks extension.
Blue Baron
Kind of a dumb poll. They give you nine of 30 teams to pick from. That’s 30% of all teams.
LordD99
Other.
HatlessPete
When in doubt always bet on Mystery Team
JoeBrady
Computer space is cheap. But I agree that most of those teams are out. He’ll still get paid, but the issue will be that he might have to play for a team that he has no interest in playing for.
Past that, this might be the longest article I’ve ever read for a single player.
padam
Very long. Squirrel moment it seems.
LordD99
Has a similar problem as Bellinger and Snell. Teams want more consistency before paying top dollar. It’s okay to go for it, but eventually the player needs to sign at what the market is offering. I wouldn’t give Chapman more than a three year deal.
Wagner>Cobb
I could see a 4 year deal being “fair” (whatever that means), but definitely wouldn’t give him 5.
rocky7
Do we hear 6….going…going….he’s probably not worth 3 based on his offensive decline let alone 4….not your money and as said, teams want consistency for multi year contracts….
mlb fan
“I could see a 4 year deal”..Since he’s clearly overplayed his hand and cratered his market, I think 3 yrs is the optimal number. I could see a 1M buyout on a 4th yr team option as a possibility.
King123
I think Chapman has been pretty consistent in that he’s routinely been a subpar to mediocre hitter for all of his career besides one year (2018). High strikeouts, low average, mid on-base, etc. His fielding is top-notch though as we’ve all heard.
Wagner>Cobb
He’s a good option for a team that wants a steady presence at 3B for the next few years. He’ll play great defense, strikeout a lot, and offer some right-handed pop. It’s not an exceptional profile, but if his demands were more in align with his abilities, he would be able to sign a good deal for himself.
JoeBrady
HIS OPS+ has been 100 or higher every single year. He’s always been a plus hitter.
Wagner>Cobb
Is above average the same as a plus hitter? Genuinely asking. To me that would describe him as an above average hitter with some pop.
mlb fan
“He’s always been a plus hitter” Scott Boras is the only one who’d describe Chapman as a “plus” hitter. “Above average” and “plus” are similar but not exactly the same in my view. Freddy Freeman & Mookie Betts are “plus” and Matt Chapman on his best day, could possibly be called “above average”.
Digdugler
So there are only maybe….5 plus hitters in the league? maybe 10.
JoeBrady
Wagner>Cobb
Is above average the same as a plus hitter? Genuinely asking.
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Not to make things difficult, but it depends on how much above average. If he had a 101, I wouldn’t call that a plus hitter. At say 108, I would call that a plus hitter.
JoeBrady
Freddy Freeman & Mookie Betts are “plus”
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That’s why I stick with numbers like 108+. Betts and Freeman are great hitters, #4 & #6 in baseball last year.. Chapman is a plus hitter..
JoeBrady
Only four hitters had a higher OPS+.
The other 774 hitters were average hitters.
case
For the past 3 years his OPS could be considered barely adequate for a third baseman on a team actually trying to win. His defense obviously makes that acceptable, but he’s barely a neutral contribution for his position, let alone plus.
If you widen the statistical field to teams that are intentionally tanking or focusing on developing young players maybe things get better for his image, no doubt a strong Boras selling point.
Jaysfansince92
I would say Freeman is a plus plus hitter. I would put hitters with an OPS north of .800 in the plus categorie.
Dock_Elvis
Freeman & Betts…Plus Plus.
Wagner>Cobb
@JB
That’s fair. I don’t think 108 is high enough for me. I’d probably have 115 as my threshold.
Augusto Barojas
Chapman and Bellinger both came up in 2017. Chapman’s career WAR is almost 10 better than Bellinger. Chapman is very solid, albeit unspectacular. I would love a gold glove left side of infield for Cubs, go get Chapman too on a short deal and make it a hell of an offseason!
rocky7
Again, his defense is not questioned….its his offense…do you want an almost automatic (and that’s probably not fair but he did drop off a cliff after a good Spring) out also on the left side of the infield?
Wagner>Cobb
Automatic out is a stretch. But his performance post-injury was atrocious.
PutPeteinthehall
So was Bellingers performance for two years after he dislocated and tore up his shoulder. If Chapman signs for 4/60 with a 20m fifth year connected to a buy out of 10 he will get a contract worth 70-
80. Even if he gets bought out if he can still play he will get a contract somewhere. JT playing at 39. Who knows. I would bet on him being solid for the next four years. At 15 per he would find work now.
Digdugler
Why not check his career stats?
JoeBrady
Why not check his career stats?
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I think that posters are just repeating what they heard, and not looking at the numbers. Chapman had a 108 last year, 112 over the past two years, and 108 over the past three years.
I’d make a decent-sized wager his OPS will be higher than the MLB average next year.
ryrockak
Not to mention the ol’ QO attachment
Jean Matrac
rocky7,
“…he did drop off a cliff after a good Spring…”
I keep seeing this same thing being repeated by you and others and it’s incorrect. His July was almost as good as his Mar/Apr, when he posted a .908 OPS.
I agree with the many posts saying he’s inconsistent, 2023 was a rollercoaster, with his OPS by month being:
1.152
.585
.633
.908
.532
.633
Clearly inconsistent, but just as clear, it wasn’t just about his hot spring. I wonder if he wasn’t also injured earlier in the season as well as in August.
Just Rob
1.062 March/ Apr
.316 May
.500 June
.488 July
.611 August
.653 sept/ Oct
These are Jorge Mateo’s numbers (OPS) last year. Mateo plays a more premium defensive position (and ignore public defensive metrics and use your eyes / fact that he is O’s best defensive SS re: defensive capabilities) and has blazing speed if he’s ever on base. He’s not getting more than $4M on the open market and somehow Chapman is worth more than $10M per for more than 3 years???? That’s crazy talk.
JoeBrady
Just Rob
These are Jorge Mateo’s numbers (OPS) last year.
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ROTFLMAO!!!
Nothing personal, but that statement is delusional.
Chapman OPS = ..755
Mateo OPS = .607
In no known universe does .765 = .607. And I like Mateo, but that’s not close.
Just Rob
I’m not saying they’re equal. I’m saying Mateo is at best a $4M / year guy on the open market and Chapman is, at most, worth 2.5X that. I think that’s pretty generous.
cubsmatt
I think it’s overwhelmingly likely that the Cubs are done with major moves. For Chapman to happen it would also have to be paired with a significant trade and its getting kind of late for that.
bryzzo
I just looked at the poll and 4 people said he gets a $200 million contract.
His wife,mom, agent and himself
teddyj
Even his father and siblings don’t think he’s worth 200 mil.
HEHEHATE
I’m gonna dark horse this and throw Atlanta out there. The only block is Riley who you could play at 1b dh and of this opening up kelenic to more of a 4th of getting a lot of the pressure off his back. You’ve got Ozuna who I think is more out of that line up than it than this point.
If you can lock him up in or around the 100 million range on a long term deal I think it’s worth making a major move against the dodgers and phillys at this point.
rocky7
Taking a younger, better all around ball player like Riley away from a position of ball club strength would be foolish on Atlanta’s part to plug in Chapman…. especially on a long term deal……
HEHEHATE
I’d much rather have Chapman than Ozuna. Riley’s a team guy he’ll do whatever it takes to win. Olson is 1b/dh Ozuna dh only Riley is 1b/3b/of/dh and chapmans really a 3b/dh at this point. Don’t think it’s as far fetched considering the market
drasco036
This is probably the worst take I’ve read on here. Congratulations because that is a very impressive feat!
Yes, let’s replace Ozuna and his 138OPS + with Chapmans 108 and to make it work, we will move our absolutely fantastic all-star 3rd baseman but don’t worry, he can play first where we have an even more impressive all star player. Oh and will move Kelenic, who we took on a ton of salary just to get to a 4th outfielder. Brah-ill-Yant!
Let’s get weaker at not just one position but all positions and spend 100 million to do so. Jesus
Bryzzo2016
I wouldn’t compare Chapman’s situation to Bellinger’s. Bellinger really wanted to play for the Cubs and took less guaranteed and a lot less years to return there.
The only similarity is that they’re both repped by Boras and Boras overplayed his hand re: the “Boras 4”. The Cubs were smart to be patient and not desperate. Sadly for Boras and the remaining 3, other teams are likely to try and follow suit. So I predict the remaining 3 will take short deals as well and try again next winter.
rocky7
Wow….don’t you think that Bellinger was willing to play anywhere if a club actually met his asking price to play……who says he really wanted to play for the Cubs…..his mom…..come on he had zero offers we know of at his price and had to settle now that the Spring is upon us for what ever offer he could take…..having a less of a Spring on a shorter term deal would hurt Belly much more that Snell or Monty….Belly has everything to prove forward and needs to the time…..but wanted to play for the Cubs…..don’t think so…..
cubsmatt
People who aren’t Cubs fans would probably not know how tightly knit our clubhouse is right now, and what a central part of it Cody has been. This is a group that really enjoys playing together and believes in itself. Now if somebody offered him 200mil that would be different but its pretty clear now that nobody was going to go there.
Seamaholic
Literally every team in baseball says that. Come on you can’t be that naive. Bellinger signed with the Cubs because they were the only team to make an offer. There’s a reason for that. He’s a 2-3 win player, less if he isn’t playing OF anymore, and last year was a fairly obvious fluke.
cubsmatt
I’m not just going by feel here, there are also rumors circulating around the Cubs world that Cody turned down somewhat higher offers from the Giants and Twins in January. Of course these rumors may never be confirmed.
Blue Baron
@cubsmatt: “Our” clubhouse? What position do you play and how long is your contract?
People who aren’t Cubs fans also don’t pretend they’re part of whatever team they follow.
cubsmatt
Wow you took that way too seriously.
mlb fan
“People who aren’t Cubs fans…Tightly knit our clubhouse is”…And you’re going to pitch inside more this spring right?
…Scott Bora’s clients will play in Hell if their asking price is met. You don’t hire Boras to be choosy and picky about where you play.
Blue Baron
@cubsmatt: You have that inverted. Saying “our clubhouse” indicates that you take it way too seriously.
I know other Cubs fans, and they’re just like you.
ayrbhoy
Blue guy- literally EVERY fan uses “our” and “we” while they’re discussing their “home” team. You must be fun at parties eh?
JoeBrady
People who aren’t Cubs fans also don’t pretend they’re part of
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Actually, most of them do. Saying “my” team reveals whatever biases one might have.
Blue Baron
@ayrbhoy: Not particularly, but if you’d been invited, you would have known that.
drasco036
I’m going to start by saying I’m a huge Cubs fan but your statement is absolutely ridiculous.
Even if those rumors were true, the Giants and Twins offer more in January, so what? Just because they may have offered more then, doesn’t mean it was still their offer now. Also, structure plays a huge part.
There is no proof Bellinger was offered more years or more money and even if he was is 5/100 really a better offer than 3/80 when you can make 30 million and then opt out for a bigger pay day?
cubsmatt
Well, I never claimed certainty or proof of anything I said. I will clarify, it is merely my intuitional read on the situation that Cody preferred the Cubs to other teams, and that personal relationships with other players were potentially a major factor in that. The contract rumors are just rumors, and just one piece out of many making up my read. Take it or leave it either way I’m moving on.
1984wasntamanual
No, they don’t. I am a cubs fan…I defintely don’t say our or we.
PutPeteinthehall
He realized he was stuck getting another short term deal if he wanted to play and make money this season. Certain parks and teams would be suicide to his 2024 numbers and ability to get a long term contract next offseason. It also fair to say no other team wanted to pay him 30m to man center this season. If he was against the Cubs he would have signed elsewhere for less. He knows Chicago is absolutely the best opportunity for him. However it’s also ridiculous to say he does not really want to play there. Why not go to a few games in Chicago or watch some games. There are no players that have bad mouthed the Cubs upon leaving in recent memory. Maybe you’re confused with the other Chicago team.
drasco036
Who are you even replying to? I went back and didn’t see anyone bad mouth Chicago or the Cubs or imply Bellinger didn’t want to play there.
Also, glad to see you want pedophile Pete in the hall of fame. Stay classy.
mlb fan
“I wouldn’t compare Chapman’s”…Belli & Chapman are very comparable in that they both overplayed their hands and eliminated and priced out 90% of their market. Boras tried to market both as “generational” and “transformative” when in reality, both guys are merely “solid” not Superstar level players.
ohyeadam
2/55 with an opt out. Mariners
padam
That’s funny.
mlb fan
“That’s funny”…I agree. Chapman is clearly not a $25M+/yr player. He’s “solid” but 90% of his value is his glove. I think $18M X 3 yrs = $54M should get it done. I think maybe a $20M team option for a 4th year could be on the table if the first 3 years go well.
pd14athletics
Interesting. I had been thinking Giants as number 1 until they got Soler. Now I’m voting Mariners. This will probably be shredded in comments but I’m wondering if something of a lower value Belly deal would be in play, with back loaded instead of front loaded layout. Say 15-25-25 with an option for 4th year with a decent buyout. Chapman secured a bag but is incentivized to perform this year and seek a bigger deal. If he plays great, he could still possibly land a 100 million deal. If he’s more of an average bat with good defense, this deal shouldn’t be crippling while also giving a year for hopefully cable situation to work out.
pd14athletics
You can probably figure out I meant this to include opt outs but didn’t directly say it. So just adding that part. Opt outs after each year.
refereemn77
Too high. 3/60 with an opt out in year one and a mutual option in year two.
HalosHeavenJJ
Interesting spot as a player. Half the league including some typical spenders like the Angels, Rangers, etc. might have TV contracts in place next year. Might.
So, the opt out is appealing. So could a one or two year deal.
But the total guarantee is usually the goal.
refereemn77
Yep. That’s holding the market down for sure. What’s happening with TV revenue in 2025 and beyond. I think most clubs involved in the Diamond Sports fiasco believe it will be lower.
aragon
Taiwan baseball!
User 4204968895
Boras doesn’t care but this is more proof that waiting for the best offer isn’t always in your client’s best interest. This guy’s turned down some good offers along the way.
Blue Baron
@John Olerud: How do you know he’s turned down other offers?
its_happening
Turned down an offer from the Jays a year ago. 5 years around $100-mil.
bullred
Yeah Boreass needs to get out of baseball. Go ruin Football.
Blue Baron
It was the player’s decision, not Boras’. Bellinger and other players aren’t stupid.
its_happening
How do you know if it’s the player’s decision and not Boras? Unless you’re one of their personal assistants you’d know nothing about who said what, what the agent said, what the player said, etc.
More important, they are a package deal. If it’s a no from one it’s a no from both. Twist it whichever way you want, the Jays made an offer.
Blue Baron
By the same token, how do you know the Blue Jays actually made an offer and for what terms? Was it last year or this year?
If they did, it doesn’t seem to have been made public, and if it was last year, why would he have turned it down for a one-year deal with the Cubs?
its_happening
You don’t read good.
I said above that he was offered an extension about a year ago. In fact, MLBTR wrote about it months ago, that an extension offer was made. Local stations here said it was prior to the 2023 season.
Blue Baron
Sorry, I thought you were talking about Bellinger.
But being that you don’t write so WELL, you’re in no position to judge how WELL the rest of us read.
Unless, of course, your name is Pot.
its_happening
Accountability isn’t your strong suit. Neither is trying to instigate like you did with Olerud.
I posted, you didn’t read, I pointed it out, you’re upset. Your problem, your weakness, your excuse. Next time come in with facts before jumping in with more of your emotional comments.
Blue Baron
I’m not the least bit upset, nor was I trying to instigate anything.
I was just raising a question and then pointing out the absurdity of someone who doesn’t write so WELL criticizing anyone else for how they read or write. In fact, I readily acknowledged my error in thinking you were referring to Bellinger and not Chapman.
Your problem and your weakness is your apparent need to assume you know what someone else is thinking and put words in their mouth.
But you should learn to never ASSUME, because when you ASSUME, you make an A$S of U yourself.
Have a good night.
TellItGoodbye
The Giants do not need Chapman. Davis was nearly as good on defense as last season progressed, and he’s nearly the same offensively. It’s a total waste of funds to take on Chapman, who appears to be on the decline. At some point a team needs to take a chance on their homegrown talent. These mid-line, overpriced, aging free agents just block the kids.
And please stop saying our staff begins and ends with Webb. Harrison gets so little love. He’s poised for a huge season. I am totally not worried about our pitching. Now if I were a Dodger$ fan it’d be a different story.
Wagner>Cobb
I don’t see a fit in SF after the Soler addition unless they trade Davis or Flores. And there’s no reason to do that because its not clear that Chapman represents an upgrade large enough for them to overtake the Dodgers or Dbacks, or even to separate from the Padres.
Gmen777
If the Giants don’t pass the Padres after having a better record than them for 90% of last year with the Padres losing Melvin as manager (to the Giants nonetheless), Soto, Snell and Hader while the Giants on paper are better than last year, then heads need to roll in the Giants FO.
Seamaholic
Dude, really? Chapman is right up there with Arenado as the best third baseman of his generation — or any generation. Davis is a hack, although he did happen to have a good 2nd half (sudden half-season defensive surges are nearly always flukes in 30-somethings). Still don’t think the Giants have any interest, mainly because of the Soler signing, which was capital-D Dumb. Because now Davis has no path to playing time if he’s not at third. They’d probably have to trade him for nothing if they brought in Chapman.
pd14athletics
Who would Chapman block on a 3 year deal? I don’t see any SF top prospects on left side of infield that he’d be blocking. Luciano is set to take over SS, and that’s it. Chapman is a day younger than JD Davis, for what it’s worth. Chapman has a .813 career OPS at SF, compared to .809 for Davis. And Davis had a good stretch with the glove last year, but even if you say he’s permanently keeping that up, which is a stretch, he’s no match for Chapman.
I do like Harrison quite a bit. I think he will impress this season. But he barely cleared 100 IP last year and has averaged about 105 IP the last 3 seasons. You have to be reasonable with if everything goes well for him, how much they let him pitch. When you look at the rest of the rotation and see Cobb missing 1-2 months, Ray maybe ASB return from TJ? Hicks, converting from reliever throwing 65 or so innings each of the last 2 seasons? Even if you are best case scenario for Harrison, Cobb, Ray, Hicks in their innings progression/return from injury, they have a lot of innings to cover behind Webb.
TellItGoodbye
I’m not a big JD Davis fan, I’d rather see Schmitt at 3rd.
Gmen777
Chapman is much better defensively and it really isn’t close, the only debate is offense. JD Davis was incredible during the first half of the season but fell off a cliff in the second half. If Chapman ends up settling for a three year deal (fourth year option perhaps) I think they should bite as it would help the ground ball pitchers and Luciano. All of that being said if the Giants have enough $$$ to make exactly one move I think Snell/Monty make more sense
splinkysf
No dude. Davis cost the Giants runs in 912 Injinfs at 3rd base. Chapman saved 14 R (down year for him..) in 1200 innings at 3RD.
I know JD looked slick for a while, but he’s a replacement player.
And he isn’t worth 6m. Bring Chapman for 20-25 annually and reduce it by 6 when shipping JD off to a team looking for depth.
Thumbs up on this one. ☝️
O'sSayCanYouSee
A lot of people seem to think Boras is to blame, and he’s certainly part of the equation.
But the CBT has reduced the players’ market which in turn reduces their salaries. (Which DOESN’T reduce Hotdog and Beer prices).
The collapse of the RSN model has also lead to fewer dance partners for FA’s.
There a bunch of things at play in this years Free Agency, but the CBT gets much less attention for it’s contribution than the other spokes on the wheel of the 2024 free agency.
Mikenmn
This is good. The CBT thresholds work to depress salaries when you approach the thresholds. The psychology is difficult. When you are close, you don’t want to go over. When you are in the middle of a tier, you don’t want to break the next one. And, at the very top, the money is crazy. Chapman might be a $25M player–but he’s not a $50M+ one.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Mikenmn — “This is good” – keeping players salaries low?
“Chapman might be a $25M player–but he’s not a $50M+ one.” — Exactly! Does Chapman get there other $25Mill? The team wants to pay 25$ for Chapman, and in order to pay “him” 25, they offer 11/12 million.
The player loses $$ for no fault of his own.
And richer teams get a better chance to get discounts from top Free Agents?
Don’t seem right.
Mikenmn
“This is good” was meant to say “this is a good comment”
Personally., I’d dump the entire CBT system. It radically distorts the market, and by adding draft pick and loss of international bonus money it actually has the opposite result than desired.
JoeBrady
by adding draft pick and loss of international bonus money it actually has the opposite result than desired.
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The desired result is to keep salaries down. That is exactly the intention of the rule.
Mikenmn
Joe, if the desired result is to put a damper on salaries, penalizing teams for going over the limit with loss of draft picks is counterintuitive. What a team with deep pockets can’t draft they have to fill through trades, by keeping OK players through their arb years, or by buying in free agency. A highly competitive team can’t really afford a replacement value player because even a two WAR player could be critical–so they have to overpay to get it. Higher salaries for 2WAR players move the entire stack upwards.
bullred
I think it is to slow down salaries to try to keep the higher spending teams salaries closer to the overall salaries of the lower spending teams. That’s why it’s called Competitive Balance Tax. Penalizing them as well is to slow them down a bit.
mlb fan
Chapman is essentially an all- glove, no-hit third baseman and Scott Boras is trying to sell and market him as the next coming “generational” player. You don’t market a luxurious estate property the same way you market a “fixer upper” property.
Digdugler
If chapman is all-glove no hit 3B , what is Kiner-Falafel?
Wagner>Cobb
Chapman has pop and IKF doesn’t. That’s the difference.
mlb fan
“That’s the difference”..Another big difference?…Chapman won’t sign for 2 yrs for $15M.
Digdugler
Thats a pretty big difference…Thats like the difference between Barry Bonds and Luis Arráez.
JoeBrady
Chapman is essentially a…. no-hit third baseman
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Nonsense. He is a good hitter.
Wagner>Cobb
He’s a useful hitter.
Seamaholic
Amazing how powerful memes are even when false, right? Chapman is a better hitter than most teams’ third baseman, and yet a whole bunch of people interested enough in baseball to come to this site continue to insist he isn’t. I think they confuse him with Donaldson.
Wagner>Cobb
Yes, that would make him a useful hitter. He’s clearly above the “bad hitter” designation people are giving him on here, but he’s clearly below the top tier hitters like Arenado, Machado, and Riley.
teddyj
Looking more like Donaldson every year
JoeBrady
Amazing how powerful memes are even when false, right?
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I find it amazing. He has been a 100+ hitter every year for his entire career. Even last year, with his finger injury, he managed a 108.
But people hear he is a bad hitter, and they don’t even bother to check it.
JoeBrady
but he’s clearly below the top tier hitters like Arenado
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That’s actually one of my points. Arenado had a 109 OPS+ while Chapman had a 108, but some people consider Arenado a great hitter and Chapman a bad hitter.
The fact that Arenado is a HOFer doesn’t mean that Chapman is very good.
Wagner>Cobb
@JB
Arenado had a down year last year. It was the lowest OPS+ posted by him over a full season since he was a rookie. His track record is lightyears beyond Chapman’s in terms of offense.
its_happening
Nonsense. He is a good hitter
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He’s an unreliable hitter. Doubtful there will be improvement over the next 5 years.
bullred
That’s true. There are 30 GM’s in baseball and a lot of different people in the world. If you polish up that turd enough most people won’t buy it but it only takes that one customer to purchase it. I think some people out there believe the crap that shifty salespeople feed them and Boreass knows that. Get his version of the BS out there in the world . Throw out an outrageous number that your looking for to raise the upper limits of where teams thought they were going to go and “settle” for a little less to make it seem like the GM talked you down a little bit. Chapman is who he is. Like you say all glove and little hit. 4 OAA last year which was 11th overall .
bullred
Chapman was 16th overall in 2023 by wRC+.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
2/45 with an opt out. Giants or Cubs( I love that the Cubs are giving Morel a chance at 3rd but I’m worried about his arm slot where he releases the ball. It’s concerning. He’s got a cannon but he throws nearly overhead. There’s no real arm slot.
oldgfan
Cubs should go for it.
thickiedon
I propose Houston trade Bregman to SF. Then sign Chapman for 3/$70MM opt out after first year
Strunk Flugget
I hope not. I kinda like the Giants and don’t need a reason to root against them.
Digdugler
Jays are out of cash so no bueno. They went all in on IKF
Ducey
Yeah, that $7.5 million wiped them right out.
Come on man, give it a break.
Digdugler
It is important to note the Jays are very near the 2nd tax bracket, they arent paying $10M (Espinal + IKF) when they could have signed Chapman, nontendered Espinal and not signed IKF. I would LOVE the Jays to sign Chapman but its not happening.
NYCityRiddler
And rightfully so, Atkins is a genius. Ahahaha!
rememberthecoop
Hey Darragh: if a team’s salary is 236M, their CBT # can’t be 249M. That’s only 13M. But the CBT includes more than that just to cover benefits. CBT adds more than 20M to every team’s figures. That’s a fact.
rememberthecoop
11 people actually think that Chapman is going to get more than 176M?? Wow. Also, I can assure everyone the Cubs are not going to sign him unless he signs for only one year, because that’s where Matt Shaw is going to play. In fact, even at one year it’s extremely unlikely because they are only 3M under the tax, and owner Tom Ricketts is on record saying he isn’t going to pay it this year.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Tom Ricketts isn’t the owner. He’s only the CEO. So he’s only on record saying that as his father’s message boy. His father Joe is the owner of the Cubs. An owner that has zero to do with the team other than providing the financial part. Otherwise he has nothing to do with the team. Making him an even worse owner than the ones who refuse to spend money.
teddyj
11 people Aunts , uncles , cousins and maybe grandparents, other wise people that have no concept of $$
mlb fan
“Jason Werth will totally transform the way Major League teams view outfielders” – Scott Boras.
desertdawg
I just read a article about Chapman that the Giants are going to offer a 5 yr 110 million contract.
splinkysf
I think he’s worth about 5/100. If you look at his defensive runs saved (~14 annually the last couple years and was in the mid 20s with Oakland) and GGs, he gives the giants and their ground ball pitchers exactly what is needed.
Get him
Gmen777
I think the Giants should sign Chapman but looking at his market I’d push hard for some thing like four years in the $80-85M range. I like his skill set for the Giants but I see so few suitors I think you could get his price down. Giants have been the most obvious fit for months and the only other teams I’ve heard linked to him are the Cubs (who just re-signed Bellinger), the Jays (who signed IKF and might be less inclined to re-sign Chapman) and the Mariners.
User 2161944466
Colorado for over 200 million.
Seamaholic
Rockies have the same player for 4/$56m, and two years younger.
JoeBrady
I would say that was insane, but CO, that is SOP. They will sign him for $200M and move him to LF and Bryant to RF.
deepseamonster32
The only team sensible enough to pay this man top dollar! The Rockies shall rise above all with wise signings! see also Kris Bryant! To the Moon!
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I think he goes back to Toronto for the same reason Bellinger went back to Chicago: a deal for 1-3 years for a player with a QO is just too steep unless it’s a slam dunk perennial All-Star. Nobody is going to give Chapman 4 years, and Toronto doesn’t have to give up the draft pick.
Seamaholic
Chapman is on a QO, meaning the Jays DO give up a pick (they one they would have gotten if he signs somewhere else).
Ducey
They lose the extra 4th round comp pick if they sign Chapman. And if they sign him for $30M then they get their first round pick moved back 10 spots.
With the CBT the Jays signing Chapman to a $30 M contract for this year would effectively cost them about $42M (with all the penalties)., and moving the pick back.
I dont see that happening. They could maybe do $20M a season? Who knows. That would still cost them about $27M after tax.
pingston
Yep, and I believe that’s why only a creatively structured contract with a major deferment will work for a Blue Jays signing. And a club option for several years to enable the deferment…
Motown is My Town
Cubs will not have to worry about Bellinger opting out as he’ll regress to his 2021/22 seasons. He’s so over rated it’s sad to see the Cubs getting hoodwinked they way the did
toetherubber17
2023 Chapman was in 98th percentile in both average exit velocity and barrel %, and he was literally league best in hard hit %. His bat is not dead. Check his profile on Baseball Savant.
mlb fan
“98th percentile”…You don’t need to be a “baseball savant” to know that 90% of Chapman’s value is his glove and that he’s a very inconsistent hitter. You can find guys that can catch well, but not hit on literally every street corner in the Dominican, Venezuela and even Puerto Rico.
toetherubber17
Don’t let the facts get in the way of your argument, mlb fan.
Goose
Chapman is a great glove, some pop and limited BA guy. If Boras is looking for a 6+, 25+ million a year contract I just don’t see it. There are a bunch of teams he would be a perfect fit for but only at a 2 to 3 year contract in the $60 to $80 mil range.
Melchez17
I thought I heard he went to the Giants already? Or was that one of those “Click Bait” articles I saw?
NYCityRiddler
This guy! Ahahaha!
hoof hearted
M’s are a NO.
1. Dipoto dosnt spend big on FA hitters. Garvers the biggest so far.
2. sign chapman; then what do you do with Urais and Rojas? Utl players? Then what do you do with Moore/haggerty? OF sub’s? Then what do you do with Marlowe, Canzone? Not to mention other young players:bliss,clase or?
3. ’23 was a down year for chapman and he wants $ based on years previous.
4. Urais and Rojas have about $8m in salary- what do you do with that?
ayrbhoy
Agreed and I’d also add one more to those names: Trammell who is out of options. You can bet the M’s will hope he can approach some of those projections from early on in his Minor League career. They will get Diddly Squat (Farm) if they wanted to trade Trammell a player out of options
What will happen to all those players fighting for the 4th OF and bench roles? The guys who look best in that Spring Battle Royale will be suiting up against BOS in late March.
Hate to be pedantic here but I think it’s important to point out that the M’s ownership don’t like to spend big on FA’s. I honestly believe Dipoto would’ve spent on FA hitters had he worked for an owner who actually wanted to spend the money.
deepseamonster32
re: 2.
Given the other 8 lineup spots, I’m OK with Urias/Rojas platoon at 3rd. But adding Chapman while sliding them to utility, and doing whatever with Moore, Canzone and Marlowe is also good. (Haggerty is completely irrelevant)
And if they need to clear either Urias or Rojas salary? That’s why he’s Trader Jerry!
NYCityRiddler
I think the Jays are busted, so they’re getting nothing cause they got nothing, zero, zilch, nada, they’re broke as a joke, they’ve bottomed out, hit rock bottom, the cupboards bare, poor as a church mouse, they’re destitute, impoverished, needy, bad off, down & out, dirt poor, in need, in want & strapped for cash. Ahahaha!
pingston
Actually, Riddler, none of that is true. The Blue Jays owners are the wealthiest in MLB, but the luxury tax is a real barrier as the Mets and Padres found out the hard way. The Blue Jays are at the top of their spending, and still not the biggest spenders as they were in ’92 and ’93 when they won World Series back to back and inspired the Yankees to start spending. And the Blue Jays clearly don’t want to cripple their future drafts. The current team is above average and could do a lot of damage this year. Time will tell who’s been right and who’s been left behind when you go your way….
pingston
Chapman could be signed by any club without bad cable contract situations, if clubs could defer salary enough to slip under luxury tax penalty — lots of signing bonus and lots of deferment.
The challenge is who needs that skill at 3B right now?
The Jays know what Chapman brings at the plate and at third, that’s their advantage — less guesswork, but they also have farmhands knocking at the door and an overabundance of infielders.
Could we see Blue Jays trade some gloves (the subtraction Atkins referenced) to clear salary and roster room for a returning Chapman? Seems reasonable if there are any takers on other side with raw prospects to give…
Gmen777
He’s gonna end up settling for like a three year deal at this point considering the only teams that really make sense are the Giants and Mariners.
Bill R
Boras has Chapman in a jam. I believe it will be the Giants or Cubs he will sign with. He’s not going to get the money he thought he might. Most teams are finished with big signings. Cubs won’t go past a two year deal for maybe 50-60 million with a opt out after one season. The days of 6 or 7 year contracts are a thing of the past and the players need to be realize that. It’s too risky and a waste of money. If Chapman wants to be on a team that will be highly competitive he’ll choose the Cubs. Their future is very bright given their farm system.
teddyj
Chapman and Borazz have way over valued him
Best Screenname Ever
Chapman’s going to have a hard time cracking $60MM in guaranteed money. Says something when your replacement is Kiner-Falefa.
Mantle536
Boras stupidly overplayed his hand on all 4 of these players.
Boras acted like he had a hand filled with 4 ACES, when he really had 4 10s, at best!
Snell has been Excellent twice in almost a decade, and Mediocre to Bad in between, Yea, give me some of that Inconsistent crap for $300MM! Btw, that’s Sarcasm, for the slow witted.
Bellinger was one of the Worst Hitters in MLB for 2+ years before rebounding last year and, as noted many times, his peripheral stats last year were mediocre . . . yet He & Boras ARROGANTLY thought that mediocre-to-crap performance should get him $300MM . . .
and, instead, THEY GOT 30 TEAMS FLIPPING THEM THE BIRD!
Chapman’s hitting SUCKED last year. If he & Boras weren’t greedy fools, he should have negotiated a 1-year deal with the Jays after he received the QO. But, No, both player & agent were stupid, demanding big $$ for a basically league-average player at this point in his career.
Monty is a Very Good & dependable pitcher, but he & Mr. Greed both overvalued his earnings potential.
WHAT THE BORAS 4 PROVES THIS YEAR IS THIS:
Boras was only “great” in the past because he had SUPERIOR players as clients.
These 4 players all have multiple question marks associated with them, and Boras was a Complete Fool in how he handled these players.
It’ll be interesting to see how much Boras’s obvious INEPTNESS hurts him with clients in the future.
drasco036
What is inept is your response. Seriously, everything you wrote reeks of personal bias against a guy who’s just doing his job.
Chapman “basically a league average player” 4.4 WAR is All Star level.
Snell “mediocre to bad”. Snell has never posted bad numbers, the two years where he posted an era over 4 he greatly out pitched his ERA. His only concern is the lack of innings and too many walks.
Bellingers “mediocre” advanced stats were a result of a contact oriented two strike approach. Bellinger crushed the ball when he had a strike to give. His concern is whether or not he can continue beating up lefties like he did last season.
Your entire post is childish, calling people greedy for wanting to get paid and provide for the families. Calling Boras greedy for trying to do his job to the best of his ability. I’m embarrassed for you.
Lastly, all these guys would have deals right now much more in line with their asking price had it not been for diamond sports.
PiratesFan1981
I picked the Mariners and under 75 million. 3yrs/65 million with the first 2 years being front loaded. Last year 7 million with a buyout. Year one 30 million year two 28 million and final year of 7 million or buyout. He gets what he wants, money. Mariners get a solid 3B and the price they normally offer to certain players. Chapman seems to be their type of guy. When that 7 million kicks in, it will either be a DH contract or declining years.
C Us Sink
I’d love to see Ms make the move, but I highly doubt they’ll spend the money.
Nosferatu Zodd
Yet another player who thinks a new team should pay for his old production. He is a 4 WAR player who’s defense ain’t what it was. Still
The Voices
The speed of a 21 year old Billy Hamilton combined with the defense of a 25 year old Kevin Kiermaier combined with the power of a 28 year old Albert Pujols and the hustle of a 29 year old Peter Rose.
Amazing he hasn’t been signed yet
bravesfan
Belly’s contract definitely hurts Chapman in a way. I expect the total contract to be under 100m for sure, 4-5 years at best. I’m gonna predict Chapman goes to the cubs or giants, with the dark horse being the angels. In fact, I really hope the angels or giants go and get him then throw money at the 2 remaining pitchers. I know it’s almost near impossible, but either team snags all the of Chapman snell or Montgomery, they suddenly look like legitimate playoff contenders
Simm
I picked the giants because of the old connections. Not that they need him the most. For teams that need him I’d go mariners. Though they likely won’t get a deal done unless his price completely drops. If he becomes a short term deal for under 20m a year. Say 4 years or less at and around 70m or less than I could see them signing him. I think he is a borderline 20m a year player. This has a bellinger type contract written all over it with a smaller aav then bellinger got.
mlb fan
“I picked the Giants”…Good analysis. I knew there was a reason I come here. The M’s could certainly use Chapman and the idea of an offense-challenged team like the Mariners going with Luis Urias at 3b worries me because he hasn’t been a full-time player in a couple of years.
OppoPower
Meh, Cubs have about $55 million coming off the books next year, If they can get Chapman for the same price as Belinger they should go for it.
drasco036
The problem with Chapman is he is a complementary piece, his market was/is regulated to playoff teams that need an upgrade at third base, however most clear playoff teams are set at third base.
His best fit was the Snakes and the Jays, both addressed their third base situation differently and now he’s kind of the odd man out and is basically in beggars can’t be choosers mode.
Salzilla
Out of all of the Borases this guy has been advised the worst because he’s honestly not that good and the extensions he’s been offered in the past were generous and indicative of the talent. He’s getting a harsh reality right now. Still I’d say a couple of those teams could use him like the Giants amd Mariners, but he’s getting significantly less than Bellinger.
Buff Barnacles
Chapman played like crap last year because he was playing with dollar signs in his eyes all season. You could see it every at bat.
Now he is going to put a TONNE of pressure on himself when he gets signed
Wherever he signs – buyer beware.
vaderzim
Matt Chapman’s free agency reminds me of Ian Desmond’s prior to 2016. Both turned down vastly superior extensions in seasons prior, only to falter in free agency and find themselves subjected to take a deal of significantly less worth. I still think Chapman will earn more than Desmond did, as Desmond only got 1 Year/$8 Million from Texas.
Dock_Elvis
Many of these deals, like Bellinger….I get the impression they were always basically just waiting it out. When there was no major play by the Yankees for Bellinger, that let me know there was some kind of basic arrangement with the Cubs and he wasn’t really pursuing other options.
I’d imagine that’s where Chapman in. They don’t really NEED all of spring training. So he and the Giants/Cubs/Jays can just work this out until its time to get going.
I’d LOVE to see him go to someplace like KC on a loaded up deal where they could deal him at the deadline. Not likely to happen.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
The Morel of the story is don’t rely on Wisdom.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
“Meanwhile” needs to be at the start of the sentence, NOT the middle.