The Tigers added to their infield on Thursday, announcing the signing of Gio Urshela to a one-year, $1.5MM guarantee. Detroit added that Urshela, a client of Rep 1 Baseball, would receive $100K bonuses at each of 500, 530, 560, 590 and 620 plate appearances. That pushes the deal’s maximum value to $2MM.
It’s the second instance this week of a veteran infielder agreeing to a $1.5MM free agent deal that falls well shy of what most pundits expected entering the offseason. Urshela’s deal matches the $1.5MM deal that Amed Rosario inked with the Rays on Tuesday. Detroit president of baseball operations Scott Harris recently suggested his club wasn’t likely to sign any “everyday-type” hitters to big league deals, citing a desire to commit to the wave of young prospects bubbling up to the majors. However, at this price point, Urshela was likely too enticing an opportunity for a team without a clear answer at third base.
Prior to this agreement, the Tigers looked to be preparing to begin the season with a platoon of Zach McKinstry and either Andy Ibanez or Matt Vierling at the hot corner. That pair would presumably hold things own until 2022 first-round pick Jace Jung worked his way to the big leagues.
The Tigers, perhaps not coincidentally, informed Jung today that he wouldn’t be making the Opening Day roster (X link via Evan Woodbery of MLive.com). They’ve also said fellow prospect Justyn-Henry Malloy will move off of third base and focus exclusively on outfield work. The addition of Urshela gives the Tigers a viable everyday option at third base while Jung finishes off his development — or at the very least provides a strong right-handed bat to complement with the lefty-swinging McKinstry.
Beyond the fit at third base, Urshela provides insurance in other ways. He’s played some shortstop in the big leagues, including 71 innings with the Angels in 2023, and could step in for Javier Baez at times. He also gives Detroit a veteran to be leaned upon in the event that top prospect Colt Keith, who signed a six-year extension before making his MLB debut and is expected to open the year as the Tigers’ second baseman, struggles early on. Urshela could handle second base himself or take up a more prominent role at the hot corner, with McKinstry sliding over to second base should Keith ultimately be determined to be in need of some more time in the minors.
Based on track record alone, Urshela was a candidate for a multi-year deal — and he’d likely have been a lock for one had he been fully healthy last season. Dating back to a 2019 breakout with the Yankees, he carries a .291/.335/.452 batting line in 1871 trips to the plate. He’s struck out at an 18.9% clip overall in that time but improved his bat-to-ball skills over the past two seasons between Anaheim and Minnesota; since Opening Day 2022 he’s fanned in just 16.9% of his plate appearances.
Solid as his career has been since becoming a big league regular, Urshela is a rebound candidate. His power output with the Angels was curiously low to begin the 2023 season, with just two home runs and a paltry .075 ISO (slugging minus batting average) through mid-June. He never got much of a chance to right the ship after suffering a pelvic fracture on June 15 of last season. Urshela didn’t require surgery but was on crutches in the aftermath of the injury and wound up missing the remainder of the season as it healed.
Urshela has fairly even platoon splits throughout his career, though he does skew slightly more productive against left-handed pitching (.290/.328/.445 against southpaws; .272/.320/.414 versus righties). That surely held extra appeal for a Tigers club that posted a tepid .241/.312/.398 slash against lefties in 2023, with the resulting 95 wRC+ ranking 22nd among MLB teams.
From a payroll vantage point, the Urshela deal barely makes a dent. He’s effectively replacing a league-minimum player on the roster, so he’s only adding about $750K of additional guarantees to the Tigers’ projected payroll. Roster Resource pegs Detroit at a $108.4MM projection for the 2024 season, which checks in more than $90MM shy of the team’s franchise-record mark set back in 2017 (under late owner Mike Ilitch, whose son, Chris, now runs the team). As such, there ought to be further resources available if similar bargain options to this Urshela addition present themselves. There’s no indication, however, that the Tigers have considered a higher-profile splash in free agency or on the trade market in the late stages of the offseason.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan first reported the Tigers and Urshela were in agreement on a one-year, $1.5MM deal. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reported the presence of incentives, which Evan Petzold of the Detroit Free-Press specified as being worth up to $500K.
crise
Logjam broken! Cody, your turn.
Fever Pitch Guy
crise – The Red Sox have interest in Cody.
Just like I have interest in dating one of Tom Brady’s ex-wives.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Which one though Fever? We might be fighting over the same one.
moteus
I was always a Meg Ryan fan, muhse’f ….
Melchez17
But… But… But… He’s going to take valuable playing time away from Maton.
angryyankeesfan1
Nick Maton’s in Baltimore
tigers182
Maton was released
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
traded*
Melchez17
I know… but whoever was going to take his place was just as bad.
Big Hurt
Did you know though? Really? Come on Melchie – come clean.
Melchez17
Duh… Maton was let go a while ago. I actually liked him as a 2B option when they got him. But as a 3B, he was terrible. Scottie Harris didn’t know what he had.
He went to Baltimore… a team that is deep on infield prospects.
Melchez17
Personally, I would go with Wenceel Perez at 2B and move Keith to 3B. I really think Perez could be a sleeper 2B.
Wheels & The Leg Man
You lie like a rug! You can’t even admit you didn’t know.
Melchez17
Hmmm… I posted in the thread where Maton was DFA’d…
mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/tigers-claim-kolton-ing…
Melchez17 3 weeks ago
Come on Harris, you can still take this division. Sign Matt Chapman for third and sign Snell to be the ace of the staff.
Indians and Twins have a bunch of left bats… Having Snell and Skubal striking them out would be huge.
Royals got better… Twins are looking good… Guardians are always a threat. Come on, make some moves!!!
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Big Hurt
Sounds like Melchie has memory problems then.
Come on bro – pulling your chain. Who cares? ;0)
Melchez17
But hey… Cool story Brah. LOL
Wheels & The Leg Man
Then you shouldn’t have even made your original comment. It makes no sense. Then you try to say you know when your comment proves you didn’t.
Quite sad you can’t even admit something so simple. People must hate talking to you irl.
Melchez17
But… I did know. I also knew Maton was terrible as a 3B. I knew the Tigers should have kept Candelario… Especially if the plan was to play Marin there. That was a terrible idea.
But Scottie didn’t know. He didn’t know what he had. He still doesn’t know.
Melchez17
I don’t know about these posters… They might actually think I’m worried about someone taking at bats away from Maton. Eeek. I should never play with the kids on the short bus.
Melchez17
Scottie Harris might have realized Jung can’t play 3B. Numerous scouts felt he might struggle at 2B. No way he could be a 3B.
Wheels & The Leg Man
No you didn’t. Why mention Maton’s playing time if he’s not on the team? Oh yeah, because you forgot he wasn’t on the team anymore. Now you’re just DARVO-ing even though your mistake is locked into the comments.
Is it really that hard for you to say “oh yeah, I forgot he was sent to the orioles for cash”? You just keep digging and mentioning other players for some reason.
It’s okay. Everyone else knows you were wrong and misspoke because you forgot. Forgetting things isn’t something be ashamed of. If you get this defensive about something like this you might want to get a cognitive test. People with dementia often have very strong feelings about things they are wrong about.
Melchez17
Scottie thought Jung could play 3B. Ouch… It’s like every talent evaluator out there has said Jung would be lucky to play a marginal 2B .. and Scottie thinks he can play 3B. That’s sad.
Wheels & The Leg Man
Person, woman, man, camera, tv
Motor City Beach Bum
Melchez…you’re exaggerating about what is being said about Jung’s defensive abilities. If Keith’s arm heals he’s likely back at 3B next year anyway unless they sign Bregman (which would be that middle of the order bat they need). Then Jung is headed to the OF or trade bait for another bat.
Urshela isn’t going to play every day from what they are saying. Sounds like Vierling will get some at bats there still. Don’t sleep on Eddys Leonard. I could see him taking over 3B or one of the backup IF spots at some point this year.
Greenberg is making the moves now. Since they hired him I haven’t seen a bad one.
Melchez17
Eek, Flaherty? Maeda? Canha? You really like those moves? Urshela isn’t much of a move, but it says something when he becomes one of your best players.
This team is terrible. It’s been terrible for about 8 years now. They are in a very winnable division and they aren’t putting any effort in putting a quality product on the field.
Melchez17
“Urshela is taking valuable at bats away from Maton” I mean… Who really believes that?
moteus
The Short Bus …. where I grew up (Parsippany, NJ) we used to call them Meat Wagons.
Agreed. that IS pretty much despicable, but we thought it was funny.
84LeFlore
It’s possible Tigers brass is talking up Jung (“our 3B of the future”) to try to raise his profile before trading. After they determined Colt’s shoulder wouldn’t work at 3B but would at 2B, they immediately signed him long-term as the 2B and let Jung be damned at 3B.
I get the feeling they are not as high on Jung, Malloy & Bigbie as they say out loud.
Motor City Beach Bum
Maeda’s a great pitcher but he’s hurt a lot. They can easily run him through 5 innings per start to keep him fresh, piggyback him with another starter or sub in one of their other very viable starters when he gets hurt. A clear win now move.
Tell me you are not the least bit curious to see if Fetter can fix Flaherty.
Canha is a professional hitter who gets on base. Someone has to get on base in front of Tork and Carp. That is a clear win now move.
New players at 2B (Keith), 3B (Gio part time) and CF (Meadows only has a few games) creates better offense from those positions. Another year in for young guys like Tork, Greene and Carp should lead to improved offense. Baez just cannot be that bad again. And potentially more kids close to coming up from Toledo to contribute this year (Malloy, Leonard, Bigbie, Perez, Dingler, Jung). The offense is looking up.
If they improve this year I could see them looking for another impact bat at the trade deadline, or definitely in the offseason.
And…today they are going to steamroll the Yankees so it’s a good day 😉
Motor City Beach Bum
Might be smart to sell high on some of them. I’m wondering if we don’t see one of more of them shipped out at some point for an impact bat. They could upgrade in one of the OF corners, or 2B or 3B. A young replacement at SS and C would be nice for the future too.
Honestly I think they are an impact bat (like a Bregman) and #2 starter (like a Montgomery) away from being a playoff threat (not just winnibg the Central), IF the offense shows improvement.
The Tigers have been pretty good at keeping things quiet this offseason, so who knows what discussions they are actually having.
Melchez17
The Tigers are solid at the middle of the talent pool. They have some nice helper pieces… Greene, Tork, Carpenter, Rogers, Mize, Manning and Skubal… they could really use a couple top players to come in and help carry the heavy load. I was hoping for a Chapman, Bellinger and Montgomery type asterisk to this off season.
Bellinger gives them a solid CF who can hit 30 homers and bat .300. Chapman gives them gold glove defense at a position they have no heir apparent for. Chapman also has 25 homer power and gets on base at a decent clip. Those two extend the lineup and replace guys like McKinstry and Parker Meadows. Meadows was decent last year… that’s it… decent. Tiger fans get excited about decent nowadays. The are excited about a .230 hitter with Alex Sanchez power… imagine if they had a .300 hitter with Tork power. Montgomery is a very solid number 2 starter.
You still have guys like Keith and Malloy coming up to fill out the lineup.
Canha is 35 years old.. no defense… no speed… no power. He gets on base… maybe. Pitchers might challenge him a lot more knowing he won’t hurt them with power.
Flaherty was great… in 2019. That was a long time ago.
Maeda was great… 3 years ago. He’s been hurt since then. They are huge gambles. Why not take that $28 mil and spend it on a sure thing like Montgomery? He’s been very good the last 3 years and he’s still fairly young (31).
I’m disappointed with the Tigers of late. No longer can I hope for a Prince Fielder, VMart, Miggy, David Price, Scherzer type addition to the team. All we get are DFA or injury projects.
Motor City Beach Bum
Those big signings don’t usually work out and/or age well.
I agree 100% on Montgomery, even with Flaherty and Maeda additions, Mize coming back and young guys coming up. I think Mize will rebound, Maeda will be solid but hurt some, Flaherty could be interesting, Olson will be solid and Manning should be trade bait. Montgomery stills fits moving forward with young guys like Jobe and Madden coming up to replace Flaherty and Maeda next year and the year after. A starting 5 of Skubal, Montgomery, Mize, Jobe and Madden or Olson in two years looks wicked.
Bellinger for the right price works too (not that 10 or 12 year contract people talked about at the start of the offseason). Im not a Meadows fan, but I see his value…ceiling is Kevin Keirmaeir like you said which is okay, but i more see a part time/4th OF. Chapman is a hard pass for me unless they got him on a one year contract, which we know won’t be happening I’d like to see them go after Bregman in the offseason, or trade for a good youngster who plays 3B. A young SS and C for the future are needs as well.
tigerfan4ever
“I mean…. Who really believes that?”
STYMEEDONE, answer your phone!
CubsWin108
The Blue Jays could’nt beat that???
acoss13
Cubs could have gotten Urshela to play 3B as well. If Morel is at 3B I’m good with that though.
Blackpink in the area
This is one of the best moves of the offseason imo. Anyone who needed infield help missed out here.
Jm207* 2
Great value
Gator50
Agreed 100%.
CubsWin108
we don’t have the room, way too much depth on our 40 man.
cubfanforever
Why the Cubs weren’t in on this guy is beyond me. A million and a half for one year. Ricketts must really be pinching pennies this off season. Solid defense, decent bat, but we don’t need that now do we?
If Morel is effective at 3B, then fine. I think this guy will be solid for Detroit.
iml12
It appears to be Morels job and if he can’t cut it defensively, Madrigal is pretty much Urshela.
Blackpink in the area
Still don’t understand why the gave that dude with 2 last names 15 million bucks.
MacGromit
I can’t think of that guy without saying aloud, “A Kinda Falafel”.
moteus
Heh. That, ah say, that pretty good there. boy!!
Now, where, ah way, now where’d that boy go???
jaysfan77
A bit of a head scratcher they’d rather pay Kiner-Falefa 7 million. ?
Canuckleball
I think they thought they had to pay by the name.
He brought three names to the table so he gets more money… I guess?
Rexhudler86
@jaysfan I’m not sure if anyone would’ve predicted the market cratering like it did.
Rishi
Perhaps Urshela’s injury is considered even more concerning than most thought. Still the relatively small incentives would indicate there really was a market crater. Perhaps nobody else offered more than a very limited bench role
Rexhudler86
@rishi supposedly angels, Mets, Yankees, and cubs made offers. Looking like he wanted to play in Detroit 1.5 wasn’t the highest offer I would imagine or atleast it was matched can’t really go lower unless it was a minor league deal. Still think the angels would’ve provided him with the most playing time.
Rishi
Well like Anthopolous recently said (I think it was him) the trouble in attracting these type of free agents is offering guaranteed playing time-Especially in his situation where a good year could get him a much better payday.
Rexhudler86
@rishi yeah they must’ve had a handshake deal, and he picked the best option looks like he was waiting on the Marlins too.
BrianStrowman9
To be fair I don’t think many teams expected Rosario and Urshela’s market to crater so hard.
IKF was too expensive from the jump for me but these moves make it look much worse.
Rexhudler86
@brianstrowman yeah it didn’t look like it after the dodgers big splashes. IKF is about right if Anderson got 5.
Rishi
Anderson got 5 because of potential. I know they all have varying degrees of potential to outperform their deals (well except probably IKF) but Anderson has more and is a good bet to at least moderately rebound imo (no injury, leaving CHW, and pride). Everyone on White Sox seemed to underperform last year and once he was flat out embarrassed like he was he was doomed last year. In most years a player like Anderson would get 5-10 mil. Teams like one year deals with upside. If there are several teams interested one could easily throw a couple extra million on the table. There were likely only 2 teams offering Urshela any playing time (Mia).
stymeedone
He will have the starters job in Detroit. How could the Angels offer that?
Rexhudler86
@stymeedone all they needed to do was send schanuel down, and move drury to first urshela at second til rendon gets hurt. It’s a close second.
BrianStrowman9
& pay CA taxes & the cost of living. Urshela definitely needs playing time to get a better deal next offseason. This seems like the clearest path.
Rexhudler86
@brianstrowman forgot about that his deal would’ve been 500k. It makes sense just bummed he didn’t sign with the angels
stymeedone
Why do they want to send Schanuel down? Seemed to do fine for his first taste of big league action. I would think he would have to have a poor spring for that to happen.
84LeFlore
I think that illustrates well how MLB players recognize the Tigers as a legit up-and-coming team. Those other teams are the traditional “glamour” teams that usually get whoever they want. Maeda seems to think so, too.
DrDick
Being a Yankee fan and having seen both play, I’d take Gio at 1.5m in a second over IKF at 7.5m.
Joe says...
If the price tags were reversed, I’d still take Gio over IKF.
its_happening
They did; spending 5x more for IKF.
pohle
10 times as much, exactly, not sure how you got your quick math done but
Canuckleball
Pretty sure he was talking on a per-year basis.
1.5 X 5 = 7.5 which is what IKF gets this year
maybe slow you math down a little…
its_happening
What Canuck said.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
Only thing that makes sense to me is some kind of geographical/family preference or better opportunity for playing time. So many teams could benefit from a healthy Urshela. Gio wants to stay healthy about put up good offense and defensive #’s to get a more lucrative multi-year deal next year obviously
DET has a good probability of getting a WC or even winning division so there’s that Should be a competitive division
case
Probably not thrilled about a third baseman with a .703 OPS, something that could be available for free on a waiver claim.
Jaysfansince92
We have been having a discussion about that on the blue jays reddit page. Some people are still trying to defend the IKF signing, but Urshela would have been the better move as far as I am concerned. IKF may be more versatile, but given that the only thing IKF can do that all the young infielders they have can’t is play good defense at 3rd it seems like a waste of money and talent to have signed IKF instead. When you factor in their need for offense it makes the choice seem even worse.
its_happening
IKF signing can be defended IF the Jays had properly addressed the hitting, or lack thereof. Jays did not. But you’re the same person defending the Varsho trade and no baseball person should ever defend that abomination.
Rishi
Well Varsho is elite defensively and has hit in the past. If in a down year many stats that consider defense value you at practically an all star level than that says a lot about how good you could be and already are.
its_happening
Varsho is not an all star. First and foremost his best season is not all star material.
Elite defensively? So elite the Jays couldn’t bring themselves to make him the CF. So elite that teams like to test his arm? Numbers are a bit skewed to elevate his WAR.
And, you’re exactly the problem; defending what was and still is an absolutely horrific trade at the time. A .230 hitter does what bad hitters do; get wrecked by good pitching. Trading the #1 catcher plus a starting OF for a “get wrecked” outfielder with good speed and unjustifiable.
Jaysfansince92
While I wouldn’t necessarily do the trade over again now the whining over it has been over the top. Did the Jays win the trade? At this point no. That being said it is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. The Jays have made much worse moves in the past. A couple of examples being John Olerud for Ribert Person and David wells for Mike Sirotka off the top of my head. I’m just sick of the hyperbole thar it is the qeost trade ever and people like you calling it an abomination. Varsho is much more valuable than you think. It’s the people who can’t see past the back of the baseball card stats that think he sucks.
Also when they made the move for our show the team was coming off a great offensive season whereas this time they were not and it was obvious they needed offense context is important
Jaysfansince92
You keep complaining about his arm, but guess what? All of that is also factored into defensive stats which all show Varsho as elite. Do you honestly think you know more about it than the people who make those stats? Talk about being arrogant.
Jaysfansince92
*Made the move for Varsho
Jaysfansince92
Varsho’s best season was 4.9 WAR. That is definitely all-star level.
You keep saying he is not elite defensively, but take a look at the Defensive runs saved leaderboard. He is number 1 in all of baseball at any position with 29 DRS. If he is not elite defensively then no one is.
its_happening
It took you 4 separate comments to make your point? If it takes that many and that long, you’re not on the right side.
Let’s review what you still don’t get:
-Varsho isn’t a good hitter
-Varsho is SO good in CF he’s still a LF
-You still can’t answer what Varsho can fetch in a trade
-His 2022 season was not all-star material if you take WAR away, a flawed stat with holes
-DRS also flawed with many more holes to poke
-29 other teams wouldn’t give up much to trade for Varsho. That is a fact
You are the problem; a “Jays fan” that applauds mediocrity, pretends a guy who’s not very good is an all-star and then cannot understand why the team underachieves. It’s overrated, underwhelming players like Varsho being elevated to a standard he’s never met, and you buy it.
its_happening
Qeost trade?
It was an awful trade, and you proved its in the Top 3 worst of all-time in an organization in existence for nearly 50 years. Thank you.
Jaysfansince92
That was just off the top of my head. At any rate I’m done conversing with you. Have fun believing back of the baseball card stats are all that are important.
dkhits20
I don’t mind it but he’s not much of an upgrade over Vierling/Ibanez/McKinstry. I hope we still see Jung sometime this year.
For Love of the Game
I’m not particularly a fan either, but at $1.5 mill. it won’t break the bank if they decide to let him go at some point.
tigers182
I’m sure this is just a 2-3 month commitment if everything goes to plan and then trade or release he or Vierling midseason.
top jimmy
He’s a huge upgrade defensively. He’s a quality stopgap until Jung is ready to take over.
R1vJ4
Uncle Gio!!!
84LeFlore
How much you wanna make a bet he can throw a baseball over them mountains?
HatlessPete
At this price it’s a great deal for a stop gap player with the track record to suggest there’s genuine possible upside and surplus value not to mention a potential deadline trade chip if Jung starts knocking on the door mid-season.I’m kind of floored that the tigers got Gio at this price honestly. I mean I get that there are injury and metrics concerns from 2023 but I expected him to get more than this and have a more competitive market.
Motor City Beach Bum
Or maybe…he’s a one year stopgap and they sign Bregman next year!!!!!!!
stymeedone
Defensively, Gio is an upgrade. Sucks for Ibanez and Veirling (the last remaining player from the Soto trade), who also are right handed and were told to prep for 3B opportunity. So its now a battle for the bench for Vierling, McKinstry, Malloy, Baddoo, Ibanez, and possibly the OF they just picked up. I would have liked more power, but its not like any of the others were going to provide it either.
Motor City Beach Bum
I don’t know if it is much of an upgrade offensively over what they had honestly. His defense is good but otherwise? Hopefully he is recovered and has a good year and gets on base be ause they could sure use that. He’s just a band aid until Jung shows up or they sign or trade for someone next year.
tigerfan4ever
Yet another informative post by STYMEEDONE, way to go dude! Vierling isn’t the last remaining player from the Soto trade. Catcher Donnie Sands is still in the system. He can’t come up with the name of the newest waiver claim (TJ Hopkins, who was DFA’d to create a spot for Urshela). Vierling and Ibanez are highly likely fine with the signing as neither one of them were going to be full time at 3B….they both are super utility infielders. Gio has more power than both of them combined and is a veteran player who will help with the youngsters. But STYMEEDONE doesn’t care about accuracy of his comments. Pretty sad you’ve become a truly hot mess of a commenter. I think Scott Harris lives in your head rent free as much as you thoroughly hate him and you’ve got no room in there to actually do homework on your comments. Again, it’s truly sad because you used to be knowledgeable before your obsession with Scott.
stymeedone
Wow, guess you’ve never been an employee. This is like getting passed over for promotion, and you don’t think they mind? As a starter, Veirling would earn higher pay in future years. Now, he is the RH platoon OF, looking to get 200-250 ab most seasons. He will actually be in a battle to make the roster. Yeah, I’m sure he doesn’t mind. As for Sands, with the shortage of quality MLB catchers, I assumed he didn’t pass thru waivers. That he did is even more telling. He’s at minimum salary and is optionable, yet not one of the 29 other teams felt he was worth claiming! May as well be gone. He won’t even be the starter in the minors.
tigerfan4ever
Guess you’re an idiot. Nice try though STYMEEDONE, nice try. Being that Urshela will improve the team, of course, they don’t mind the move. Sands did pass through waivers, another nice try to vindicate yourself. Since you are too lazy to do any homework anymore, because he passed through waivers means he’s still around, doesn’t mean he may as well be gone. Your Scott Harris brain amoeba continues eating away at what’s left of the little bit of grey matter that’s left between your ears. Maybe it’s time for you to take a break, STYMEEDONE.
stymeedone
Veirling spent the past 5 months taking grounders. Keep telling yourself he doesn’t mind.
tigerfan4ever
Naw, because you hate Scott Harris and he’s in your head, you can keep your dissatisfaction fantasy, but to yourself STYMEEDONE. Vierling is like any other guy who is a team player, he’d do anything for the betterment of the club. Your stupidity knows no bounds.
D-Nice
If he’s healthy, he’ll play good defense and usually hits around .300. I’ll take that over the others any day. I agree on wanting to see Jung at some point soon though.
Chemo850
I’m guessing he was waiting for the marlins and signed with the Tigers as soon as TA decided 5 million was enough
charlie 6
These mediocre infield vets are really not getting paid much this year. Rosario and Anderson too.
Hammerin' Hank
Cuz teams know they’re mediocre
nukeg
Thought he’d make a solid Rendon (3B) and / or Schanuel (1B) insurance policy. Again.
kellin
Im really unhappy the Angels didn’t re-sign him. He was a solid, although unspectacular hitter.
orange2001
A little surprised he didn’t resign with the Halos as most players seek stability and playing time. It would have been easy to stay with the same team, and we all know that Rendon will go down and miss a chunk of the season.
Halo11Fan
Rengifo can’t play second or short. The Angels need to find out if he can play 3rd If the team is looking to contend in 2025. It absolutely is the right move not to sign him.
Angels & NL West
Do you think the Angels are going to play Rengifo at 3B over Rendon? Are you working under the assumption that Rendon will be hurt by the end of May? Will you know how good a third baseman Rengifo is if he plays 3B once or twice a week while also playing 2B, SS, LF, CF and RF?
Halo11Fan
No. I think they should use Rengifo at 3rd as a backup
This is where I differ from group think. The Angels have to fish or cut bait on Adel, Moniak. Rendon and/or Rengifo.
Rendon and Rengifo both need to be able to play 3rd. And Adell and Moniak need to control the strike zone. If these players don’t do that, then they should not be utilized in 2025.
nukeg
Wash has hinted that Rengifo will play 3B at times to get Rendon in the DH slot. He’s also hinted at leading off Rengifo against LHP.
I think Rengifo will see plenty of 3B at times this season.
I like Urshela because he started all 4 IF positions last season (even at 2B) and is a quality AB. There are a lot of questions and injured body parts in that IF.
Rexhudler86
@halo11 I just don’t think rengifo can be fixed, he’s had plenty of time. He’s a designated hitter with a average bat, and usually has a good game when it’s garbage time. He’s a mlb player but he will be bouncing around on one year deals. I agree with the outfielders and the rotation you need to see what you got with better coaches.
Halo11Fan
Rex. We so agree on Rengifo. I don’t think he can be fixed either, but since 2024 is the year of discovery, let’s find out.
I don’t think Moniak can be fixed, but let’s find out.
I have my doubts regarding Adell, let’s find out.
I have my doubts Rendon can play a full season, let’s find out.
This is the fish or cut bait year. This isn’t the year to add band-aides in an attempt to win a couple/three extra games.
Rexhudler86
@halo11 I agree with everything you said, but urshela for 1.5 would’ve been a nice player for depth purposes and to sell off at the deadline while keeping the angels competitive. They need to sign one year deals to restock the farms unless they go full rebuild. Also sounds like the angels offered him a deal and he chose elsewhere so I guess it’s irrelevant been campaigning for it for months
Halo11Fan
I don’t think the Angels are going to be competitive.
I think the only way they can be is if Rendon and Trout turn back the clock five years, Enright happens to be a great pitching coach, and Adell breaks out.
I don’t care if Urshella takes AB away from Rengifo, I care about taking ABs away from Adell.
If Adell is given a chance to play consistently, and still stinks when Summer rolls around, then say goodbye to Jo. But playing him a couple three times a week doesn’t do anyone any good. .
Angels & NL West
Imo, every MLB team would love to have a guy that can play 2B, 3B, SS, LF, RF and CF and who was one of the best hitters in MLB over the second half of the 2023 season and finished with a 111 OPS+. That player would get regular ABs as a super utility player on every roster in MLB including LAD, NYY, Texas, Houston, Atl, Phil, Tampa and Baltimore.
I have no questions about Adell. I doubt any of the teams mentioned above would have a roster spot for him. Adell would be targeted by a team like Oak, Chisox, Wash or Colorado.
I agree the jury is still out on Moniak. He is a solid defender and looks like he can probably hit RHP, but he will have to cut down on the Ks.
Imo, the Angels are stuck with Rendon until they release him. I have no more questions about him.
Halo11Fan
Rengifo can’t play second or short…..That’s the problem.
And since you haven’t noticed Rengifo can’t play second or short, it’s hard to take you seriously regarding player evaluations and what other team’s may or may not do.
Angels & NL West
You want to play Rendon and Adell over one of the best hitters in MLB over the second half of last season. You dont see that Adell is an athlete with zero baseball instincts or skills. So I disagree with your assessments and believe my thinking is more in line with MLB teams.
I guess in a few weeks we will see who’s right. Will Rengifo get full-time ABs or backup Rendon? Will Adell be a 5th OF or get consistent ABs?
Rexhudler86
@halo11fan I’m not sure where he can play tbh, he was passable at 2nd and the jury is still out on 3rd. That’s why I want them to trade him. his value is at the highest get rid of him before his bat drops off like Rosario.
Halo11Fan
No player can play middle infield when his range is in the 3 percentile. Go look at his stat cast page.
To put that in perspective, Drury is 89. Drury’s problem is he can’t throw.
On a one hopper to his right or left, Rengifo doesn’t have the feet to get in front of the ball.
I’ve been talking about this for years.
Since range at third is not as important, he may be able to play the position.
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Angels & NL West
If you have an OPS+ of 111 and are one of the best hitters in MLB the last three months of the season, you will play regularly and get full-time ABs. Rengifo will play regularly and get full-time ABs as a super utility player. He will not be used solely as a backup 3B getting one or two starts a week when Rendon rests or DHs.
Adell will be the 5th OF only because he is out of options and the Angels are concerned about Trout and Hicks health. If Trout, Hicks, Ward and Moniak stay healthy thru May, Adell will be released or traded. Adell will not be playing regularly or getting full-time ABs.
Halo11Fan
You think Rengifo is good, I don’t.
The first 3 months of the year, he was hitting 202/292/298 and playing horrible defense.
If Adel was given 200 ABs in a three month span and did that, you’d want to tar and feather him.
Angels & NL West
If Adell gets 200 ABs in the first three months of the season, something has gone horribly and irrevocably wrong. If he has an OBP remotely close to .300, I would trade him at peak value – take a flyer on a Low A guy.
Halo11Fan
I know you would. But if you think Rengifo can play defense, your opinion doesn’t matter to me.
Go look at Rengifo’s statcast page. It’s pretty ugly and has almost no chance to get better. His speed has now drooped to the 51 percentile.
Angels & NL West
The Angels believe Rengifo can play 2B, 3B, SS, LF, RF and CF as evidenced by the fact that they have done so the past three seasons. That’s not an opinion, that’s factual. The Angels want Rengifo’s bat in the lineup and have deployed him around the diamond to make that happen. I believe they will do so again in 2024 given that Rengifo had an OPS over .950 the second half of 2023 and an OPS+ of 111 on the season.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I don’t know who’s right, but I enjoyed this back and forth and I will remember to pay attention to this situation when the M’s play the Angels this season.
JoeBrady
I don’t think Moniak can be fixed, but let’s find out.
I have my doubts regarding Adell, let’s find out.
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Absolutely. The downside to giving those two 162 games is a better draft pick. The upside is a better player. So long as you are not expecting to make the playoffs, you have nothing to lose.
84LeFlore
Yep. They must not have been aware that Rendon doesn’t place much importance on baseball. That kind of malaise is a cancer, which doesn’t bode well for the Angels. Ohtani bolting didn’t help, either. Their best option may be to blow things up. I’m not sure I’d want their current decision-makers doing that, though.
Halo11Fan
LeFlore, it’s his job. Family should come first for everyone of these players. You think Ron LeFlore loved baseball? It was a way out of prison.
Mike Trout left the team twice to deal with family matters. It did for Stassi when he left the team for a year. They believe family comes first.
You’re criticizing Rendon for thinking exactly what every good family man thinks. But unlike others in baseball, Rendon vocalized it.
For Love of the Game
The 40 man roster is full, so somebody’s getting the heave-ho (60-day IL or DFA).
dkhits20
Lipcius DFA?
I UglyFish
The newly acquired T.J. Hopkins.
Luke Strong
I think it’s gotta be McKinstry
Jm207* 2
Don’t think so. For some reason they love him
Gwynning
Did somebody say McKinstry DFA?
*Waiver claim submitted*
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
Tigers have too many utility infielder types as is but Urshela has a high floor.
stymeedone
Tigers seem to think every young player has to be utility coming up. It would be nice to see them leave an IF at one position and let them develop defensively.
tigerfan4ever
Again, some more wisdom from STYMEEDONE! You’d rather not see versatility. Nice! Every young player? Ever see Torkelson play 2B? How’d Carpenter’s stint at catcher go? I expected more from you. My bad.
stymeedone
No, but if you did your own research, you would have found Torkelson at 3B. I did specify IF in my comment. I’m sure Carpenter has shuffled between OF positions, though not quite the same as what IFs go thru.
Why do you fell you need to be hostile to me? A comment was made with many upvotes, that my spelling HARRIS was ticking people off. I said thank you. It was never my intent, and I stopped doing it.
tigerfan4ever
You lie like a rug. You were being sarcastic with the apology. You can stop this, but you’re dragging it on. Just admit you don’t know what you’re talking about, own that fact and it’s over. As I told you many times before, I used to have a great amount of respect for you….but since you decided to meltdown on the president of the Tigers, who is still learning on the job, the respect is gone and so is your credibility. You obviously expected a world championship team in his limited amount of time and he didn’t deliver, you threw an immature hissy fit. I’m not being hostile towards you, I’m reacting to your unjustified Harris hatred and calling you out on your shortcomings. You just can’t take criticism, admit you’re wrong and expect everyone to join in on your vitriol. You’re on an island by yourself, thus people reacted positively to my comments.
tigerfan4ever
Also, I was looking at earlier comments and someone mentioned Jeff Greenberg. I’ll be the man you’re not and admit he’s a forgotten piece of the story here. I forgot all about him, I own my oversight. I’m sure now he’ll be the STYMEEDONE co-whipping boy now that I brought him up. Let’s brace ourselves for the era of “HARRIS GREENBERG” delusions of failure in your empty head. Let them dance and live rent free in there now. Yep.
Tigers3232
They are set at 1st with Tork and stuck with Baez at SS. That leaves 2B and 3B open, they ve been doing the right thing seeing where these young guys will fit and try and build a sustainable IF.
I think they were really hoping Malloy could be serviceable at 3B, but it looks like he’s destined to be DH and backup Tork. Keith at 3B and Jung at 2B appears to be the future.
I like this signing and I was hoping they’d target him. Didn’t think they’d actually be able to sign him especially for that cheap. He should be a serviceable 1 year stop gap and hopefully in Spring and maybe Aug on can be a valuable veteran presence for Keith.
D-Nice
Other way around. Jung at 3B and Keith at 2B. Keith had an injury last season so they don’t want him throwing that far. Malloy will be in LF. Apparently he can’t make an accurate throw to 1B. If Malloy, Meadows, Greene and Carpenter all keep developing, Detroit will have a good problem on their hands because CFer Max Clark is rising fast. Though he won’t be up this season unless he keeps rising by tearing the cover off the ball and he becomes undeniable. One can’t expect that though. Even though he has so far.
Tigers3232
Jing won MiLB Gold Glove for 2B last season. He’s played almost 140 games in Tigers system at 2B and 9 games at 3B. Almost 120 games at 2B in college to 17 games at 3B. Keith has played 130 at 3B to 70 at 2B in Tigers system.
I think Keith at 2B is just temporary to get his bat up this season as Jung not quite there yet.
I went to a few Mudhens games last season, I just don’t see Malloy playing OF in MLB. His range is pretty limited. Seems like he ll be Delmon Young 2.0 if they try and make him an everyday MLB OF.
Jubilation
Nah. Keith is there for the long haul.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
This is a good move for the Tigers.
NewYorkSoxFan
John Henry will only green light minor league deals lol feel bad for Breslow.
SadHaloFan95
For 1.5M.. the angels couldn’t re sign? What is Perry doing lol
Dotnet22
He has a better chance to play in the postseason in Detroit. Perhaps that swayed him.
SadHaloFan95
In that division sure. The A’s could even make a run in the AL Central. The postseason digs are irrelevant lol
orange2001
@dotnet Nobody signs with Detroit to play in the postseason.
For Love of the Game
Says the guy whose team hasn’t won a single playoff game in 14 years! That’s even worse than the Tigers!
stymeedone
No, that’s the Angels your thinking of, said Ohtani.
Tigers3232
@Dot, while I agree he’s got a better shot at playing in Postseason with Det over Angels, I think his choice came down to playing time. He ll be 33 next season and likely last shot at a multi year deal. Playing time is paramount for him right now.
kellin
Seriously, he’s a better option than Stefanic.. I don’t get it.
SadHaloFan95
I might be the only Angels fan that does not believe in Rengifo. Urshela was consistent which is one thing this Angels offense hasn’t been in years
kellin
You’re not. There’s a few that arent high on Rengifo. I’m indifferent, but I really liked Urshela for his consistency, and at that price its practically a no-brainer to re-sign him. I guess I’ll just be happy with the surprise that Moore came back.
Gwynning
What’s wrong with Rengifo? The games I’ve caught at the Big A or on the road and he’s looked great, perhaps All Star level. His feet seemed “slow-ish” but hiding him at 2nd Base doesn’t seem like the worst plan? I don’t know??
Rexhudler86
@kellin I think the only person that didn’t want urshela because it would cut into rengifo’s playing time was halofan11. 1.5 was a bargain they definitely could’ve squeezed urshela in the lineup until Rendon goes down. Was surprised with moore as well figured they were done after Stephenson.
orange2001
@Gwynning he’s more of a bat-first and defense-second player. It doesn’t bother me much as long as he’s playing 2B and not SS.
Rexhudler86
@orange yeah that’s I wanted urshela he could’ve played the utility role. Rengifo at 2nd and drury at 1st. Schanuel to the minors until someone gets hurt. They don’t have anyone to backup ss or 3rd. Unless schanuel is going to play 3rd
Halo11Fan
According to statcast, Rengifo range is in the lower 3rd percentile. He has horrible feet. He also consistently inconsistent.
Gwynning
Consistently inconsistent is still just inconsistent, right? Haha
Halo11Fan
Rex. It’s more than just Rengifo. It’s the big picture.
To be honest, I’d be very happy if the Angels traded Rengifo. The only use Rengifo might have is 3rd base. He can’t play short or second, and doesn’t hit well enough to DH.
But the Angels are likely to give Rengifo 500 ABs, which makes it tougher for Moniak and Adell to get enough ABs.
SadHaloFan95
He’s just a very Inconsistent player. He has stretches of excellence albeit during a time the Angels are going absolutely no where or the game is well out of reach. As many players, the Angels just don’t utilize him correctly and they continuously waste any talent players do have. Like Rengifo will destroy the ball and then get benched. Hopefully Ron can keep some consistency in the lineups.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Minasian is only focused on middle relievers this offseason…it’s all he has eyes for, and all he can handle.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I seem to remember hearing Phil Nevin gush & praise Rengifo to the moon in post-game pressers. Since Phil’s gone, maybe Rengifo not the Golden Child anymore.
JoeBrady
Gwynning
Consistently inconsistent is still just inconsistent, right?
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It’s a pretty good grammatical question. If someone was incredibly inconsistent, would that not imply a certain level of consistency?
Halo11Fan
@iSOB. Wash wants to bat Rengifo lead off. Rengifo is not fast, Last year he was 51 percentile in sprint speed, and year by year he’s getting slower. He doesn’t get on base, and he wants Schanuel to bat second, who doesn’t run well or drive the ball, and hits a lot of ground balls. Guess what’s going to happen….a lot.
Adell is 90 percentile in sprint speed, Moniak is 83 percentile in sprint speed. Hopefully the later two will do enough in Spring to change Wash’s mind.
Hopefully Wash will also notice Rengifo has the range of a geriatric with a knee brace and scrap the the idea of him playing middle infield.
Angels & NL West
Rengifo’s career OPS+ noted below:
Batting 1st – 144
Leading off an inning – 132
1st AB of game – 148
Any questions?
Rexhudler86
@angels/nl west I don’t think anyone is questioning his bat. It’s the defense, two left feet and if you put his brain in a bird it would fly backwards.
Angels & NL West
Halo is questioning the Angels plan to bat Rengifo leadoff. His post is above mine on my feed.
Halo11Fan
In high leverage situations 658 OPS. As a second baseman 677 OPS. As a LF, 1036 OPS.
I don’t pay much attention to such splits. He’s an insanely hot and cold hitter, it’s nice to know that management will move him up in the order when he’s hot and lower him in the order when he’s not. Duh.
And he’s a horrible defensive second baseman. Again…Duh.
Halo11Fan
Oh, and by the way, first half of the year when the Angels are battling to stay in contention…. 235/302/351.
His best numbers the first three months of the year is June. 223/270/376. That’s his best month!!!!!
So he can’t play second and doesn’t start hitting until July and can’t hit in September 245/286/392. Hard to believe we lose with players like that…
Angels & NL West
You don’t pay attention to granular stats yet suggest Rengifo shouldn’t bat leadoff due to his sprint speed? Just curious, what is Kyle Schwarber’s sprint speed?
The Angels belive Rengifo is a super utility guy that should be in the lineup everyday due to his .950+ OPS from late June to seasons end last year. You believe Rengifo should be a backup 3B due to his defense.
The Angels believe Rengifo can bat leadoff due to his career 144 OPS+ as a leadoff hitter. You believe Rengifo should be a backup 3B due to his glove.
We will find out if Rengifo is a backup 3B in a few weeks.
Angels & NL West
Halo, you dont believe in granular stats that don’t support your narrative. Conversely, you do a deep dive into the obscure to discredit a player you dislike.
The Angels management, including Minasian, Madden, Nevin and Wash, like Rengifo. Sorry, it’s going to be a long season for you.
Digdugler
Ross Atkins is the absolute worst! $1.5M For gio! Instead you pay $14+ for IKF! Could have non-tendered Espinal, signed Gio, not signed IKF and made money!
Gwynning
Always takes two to tango, (Player A) must want to play for (City A).
Ducey
Stop with that logic stuff. This is the internet! Digdugler is way smarter than any GM!
I am guessing with the number of teams that passed on Urshela that he may have some residual issues from his pelvic fracture.
Gwynning
That was my first thought, too. “What are the medicals?”
Rexhudler86
@gwynning probably came down to playing time, even though angels could’ve squeezed him in, and heck even sit Rendon a couple games a week to stretch him out.
Chemo850
Normally this makes sense, but ain’t nobody picking Detroit over Toronto. Heck I wouldn’t even pick Detroit over Ukraine right now
Gwynning
Upvote for humor Chemo, but we’ll almost assuredly never know if he got a Blue Jay offer. A single player might have a thousand reasons for picking one city over another and most of the time we’ll never really hear about it.
D-Nice
You realize that Detroit still has a ton of rich areas. It’s the inner city that’s bad,but Royal Oak is the 4th wealthiest County in the country.
Chemo850
Cuba has nice areas as well. I wouldn’t want to live there either.
D-Nice
They’re communist so neither would I. I guarantee every city that has a team has dilapidated areas. The teams would’ve moved long ago if there was no money here. Alas, we have a team for every major sport.
stymeedone
Royal Oak is a city. You’re thinking of Oakland County. The Grosse Points are elite also. Downtown Detroit is Beautiful! Its the outskirts more so that need help.
D-Nice
Yes, my mistake. He clearly doesn’t understand Detroit though
Chemo850
I don’t understand Detroit? Dude you can’t even get the cities right lmao. Detroit has an overall violent crime rate three times higher than the national average and one of the highest on the entire planet including higher than some areas declared to be literal war zones and you’re over here acting like it’s a golden palace lmaoooo.
D-Nice
K
Surgery?
Detroit around the stadium is nice but quickly changes
tigerfan4ever
And bingo, STYMEEDONE with another intelligent post. It’s Grosse Pointe not Grosse Point. Sloppy.
stymeedone
I like the rent free space you provide me. Its so roomy up here. Glad you’ve been upgraded to spelling police. Are you still in training, or have you made cadet?
I UglyFish
Please share where you got those statistics from, I would love to read them.
tigerfan4ever
Now you have me confused with yourself, STYMEEDONE! It’s Scott Harris who is living rent free in you head…you are so pathetically brain dead that you have to steal the “rent free in your head” from me? I pity you and how far you’ve fallen. But oh well, the old, knowledgeable STYMEEDONE is dead and gone, the mumbling bumbling pile of melted garbage who is obsessed with “HARRIS” is here to stay. Sad but true. As for the rest of your silly little nonsensical comment….you claim you know metro Detroit and when I schooled you on the spelling of Pointe, instead of saying “my bad, thanks for teaching me the true spelling”, you attempt to cover up your ignorance by a sad attempt to blame others (me in this case) for your lack of knowledge. It just shows everyone how stupid and classless you are, even in non-baseball comments. Time for you to quit while you’re behind….way behind!
Chemo850
The FBI uniform crime report statistics on the official FBI page.
stymeedone
Detroit and Toronto aren’t in the same division. Detroit has to be better than the Twins. Toronto has Baltimore, New York, Tampa Bay and all the wild card hopefuls to contend with.
Digdugler
In some cases, in this case, I am sure he would choose Toronto. You could also offer, 2, 3 or 4 million and it is better than IKF. In most cases at the low end of FA, it is that City A did not have interest in Player A,
Rsox
Gives the Tigers a decent 3B until Jung is ready. If Keith opens the year at 2B the Tigers Infield should definitely be better than last year’s
HalosHeavenJJ
Our third baseman is made of tissue paper and we can’t get Urshela for a measly $1.5 million?
acoss13
I mean, for 1.5 million Perry should have brought Gio back for the inevitable Rendon injury.
SadHaloFan95
Don’t understand what Perry is cooking or what Arte has planned but Urshela was a no brainer.
orange2001
I have a feeling that they did offer him more than $1.5M as it was reported that the Angels had made the highest offer between them and the two NY teams. Unless the NY teams offered $1M and the Angels offered $1.25M lol.
mlb fan
Gio is a low maintenance, good clubhouse guy who can help either a veteran or a young team. Nice signing.
acoss13
I would have liked Gio for either the White Sox or Cubs.
swagsuperawesomeepiccoolman123
tbh gio could’ve fit in for most teams
CKinSTL
Not a big splash but another solid move by Detroit this offseason.
Seamaholic
One 3B left. At least Cubs and Brewers, and I’d add the Blue Jays, really need one. Chapman must have SERIOUSLY overpriced himself to still be out on the market.
Digdugler
Jays blew their wad (of cash) on KK and IKF
JoeBrady
The RS fans should’ve waited a day. Instead of complaining about the RS maybe signing Urshela, they could’ve complained about the RS being too cheap to sign Urshela.
Good signing by the Tigers.
KingKen
What makes you think the same people who were complaining about the reported interest by the Sox aren’t going to switch gears and now complain that he wasn’t signed. They’ve been doing it all winter with other players. Why stop now?
JoeBrady
I haven’t seen any, but it is still early.
But TBH, this is shockingly low. Pure guess on my part is that this signing is contingent on no medical, or a medical exempting some residual hip damage.
HiredGun23
Game changer…BAM!
Gwynning
I’d have taken him in LF, bar none! Haha
pando8888
Wow, could have been a depth piece for the Yankees for that price. I have to assume they have one more move and are trying to save money for it.
swagsuperawesomeepiccoolman123
yankees don’t need him, their infield is already full. But good signing for the tigers though!
stymeedone
No, because he wasn’t looking to be a depth piece. He wanted a starting job.
El Chupacabra
Great value for Detroit.
Mrski
He had a nasty injury at then end of last year. Good luck. Low cost
CJRed73
Q: What have we learned this offseason?
A: when it’s reported that the Red Sox are interested in someone, they’ve asked if they will take minor league money.
JoeBrady
when it’s reported that the Red Sox are interested in someone,
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Cotillo made two posting a few weeks back, listing some FA that we were interested in and missed, and shortly after, maybe even on the same day, that the RS had no conversations with the guy.
The writers are just winging it.
Mikenmn
Rosario signing probably set (or reset) his market downward, so he took what he could get. It’s one year. If he has a decent one, he’ll do better next offseason.
LordD99
A pelvic fracture is something teams will want to see evidence that he’s recovered without a loss of skills. As you noted, a return to form will net him a good deal next winter.
JoeBrady
That’s my hypothesis. Maybe the agreement is that the contract is pending medicals, except for the hip.
stymeedone
Every signing is pending a physical.
Tom the ray fan
Tigers to win the AL Central HAMMER IT
LordD99
I can see it if a couple things break their way, meaning breakouts! It’s a very winnable division.
Tom the ray fan
HAMMER IT
MacGromit
@Tom
Let the race to 0.500 and the AL Central start!
Tom the ray fan
Exactly why the Tigs are gonna win, HAMMER IT
Motor City Beach Bum
And then pull a Texas and go to the Workd Series. Well maybe not but anything can happen in the playoffs.
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
LMAO. I just read that the Red Sox were interested and thought ppphh. Knew it.
JoeBrady
If healthy, he’d have been a good signing.
stymeedone
Boston was never going to give him the starting 3B job. They paid Devers. Accept it.
LordD99
Rumored to 20 other teams over the last three months. Signs instead with the Tigers.
For Love of the Game
It’s one of the few I got right on the MLBTR free agent prediction contest!
jammin464_
I think the most interesting thing about this acquisition is what The Tigers will do with all this (mediocre) depth….????
Motor City Beach Bum
Win the Division for starters.
D-Nice
Package Baddoo, Meadows, Manning and a couple minor leaguers for Brian Reynolds and Bednar of Pittsburgh!!!!! I’m dreaming, I know.
For Love of the Game
Depends on the names of the minors leaguers. If they’re Jobe and Jung, the Pirates will do it. If it’s Smith and Jones, no way.
the guru
Great sign! I’ll be shocked though if Jung ever plays 3rd base from what i’ve been reading from the prospect gurus. Saying he is not like his brother physically or athletically. To be fair their is some that don’t think his brother can play 3rd still…at least above avearge….so who really knows. ha
Hard to walk with four balls
Jung is going to get traded
Motor City Beach Bum
I wonder about that too. I could see them taking a run at Bregman in the offseason and using Jung and pitching to get another big bat to upgrade elsewhere.
84LeFlore
I suspect that, too. Works for me.
stymeedone
Gotta hope he can handle it defensively. I agree that if 3B is not his position, he may not be a good fit for the roster. His brother looked pretty good for Texas, and Wade Boggs was not very good when he came up and got better. It can happen.
Wagner>Cobb
Basically budget Machado. He’s a good player. Hope he stays healthy.
Salzilla
Tigers > Sox who’da thunk it.
Fraham_
First off all, that is a crazy low guarantee and IKF deal looks wilder every day.
Second off BOOM 2/2 TODAY in free agent predictions in anderson/Urshela after not getting one right since Gurriel. Up to 7 so watch out leaderboard once JD martinez joins the Mets I will be even higher!
whyhayzee
That’s 4 contracts today and they all have the same agent: NotBoras.
Jubilation
Possible Tigers OD Lineup
CF Meadows
DH Canha
RF Greene
1b Torkelson
LF Carpenter
3b Urshela
2b Keith
SS Baez
C J Rogers
Underrated aspect of this signing. Tigers were a -22 DRS at 3b last year.
GeronimoSon
…and the Tigers have a top five pitching staff in the AL Central ! w/o regard to health !!!
D-Nice
My lineup….
CF- Meadows
RF- Greene
1B- Torkelson
DH- Carpenter
LF- Canha/Baddoo (bench)
2B- Keith/McKinstry (bench)
3B- Urshela/Veirling (bench)
SS- Baez
C- Rogers/Kelly (bench)
D-Nice
I wouldn’t mind Canha and his 350 obp hitting 2nd either though.
tigerfan4ever
My projection fwiw:
CF Meadows
DH Greene
1B Tork
RF Carp
LF Canha
3B Gio
C Rogers
SS Javy
2B Keith
Bench: Vierling, Kelly, Baddoo or McKinstry, Ibanez
But I can be satisfied with yours as well. Urshela, if totally healthy would be a great upgrade at third, I agree. I was a bit uncomfortable settling on Vierling as the opening day starter at the hot corner and platooning with McKinstry. Urshela adds a *little* bit of pop to the lineup but that can go a long way and extend the lineup. If the Tigers can fix Baez both offensively and defensively they can become very competitive for the AL Central, if not, win the division. Even with the 2022-23 version of Javy, the additions of Canha and a healthy Gio improves the team, with a good chance of a winning season. I like this signing obviously. I also think the starting staff has been upgraded with the addition of Maeda…my jury is out on Flaherty, but if he doesn’t work out, they are very deep with starters. Bullpens are so volatile and unpredictable year to year, but the addition of Miller and the return of Chafin could be very beneficial too.
Motor City Beach Bum
There is no way Baez can be as bad as last year. Even 2022 numbers would be okay and an upgrade.
Dogs
My Lineup Prediction
3b- Gio
LF- Canha
DH- Greene
1B-Tork
RF- Carpenter
SS- Javy
2B- Keith
C- Rogers
CF- Meadows
WeTheOnes
You know AJ will have different lineups all the time based on the opposing pitcher and then pinch hit when they go to the pen…Another possible lineup though…
(R) Canha (gets on base a lot)
(L) Greene
(R) Tork
(L) Carp
(R) Gio
(R) Baez
(L) Keith
(R) Rogers
(L) Meadows
dkhits20
I like yours the best
84LeFlore
This looks like a probable lineup to me. I think the Tigers are going to protect Meadows in the 9-hole for a while. Ideally, one day he’ll be a weapon at leadoff.
CTS4
Hello Useless atkins are you asleep ?? Gio would’ve looked alot better at 3rd. than IKF….and a bunch of slugs filling in…
Good signing by the Tigers ….
dasit
love the guy and knee-jerk pissed at the yankees for not matching the offer despite the fact that we have a mini-logjam in the infield. not hard to envision a scenario where djlm or rizzo gets hurt and gio comes over at the deadline
YankeesBleacherCreature
There are still Peraza and Cabrera.
Captainmike1
Excellent deal for the team
warnbeeb
I’m a fan of Andy Ibanez. While McKinstry is a + defensively, his bat is simply not acceptable.
Verling has to stick around, right? I don’t see much coming back in a trade.
Urshela, Veirling, Ibanez, Baez, Keith cover 2B, SS, 3B..
Who is the backup 1st Baseman?
Kelly? Ibanez? Veirling?
the guru
keston h
basedonamadeupstory
Canha.
For Love of the Game
Canha.
warnbeeb
I see Urshela has played some 1B in the past as well.
I like this move. I liked him when he played for the Yankees….even though I loathe the Monkees with every fiber of my being.
tigerfan4ever
Monkees? They were decent as the headliners at my very first concert in ‘85, even without Jones and Nesmith. lol
Motor City Beach Bum
Monkees…hehehe. I hope we get to play them in the playoffs and send them off golfing 😉
stymeedone
Canha is back up at 1B.
phenomenalajs
Didn’t see that one coming and I’m sure the MLBPA is none too happy about these last two FA signings.
phenomenalajs
I meant Urshela and Rosario. Tim Anderson got a deal that wouldn’t upset them.
YourDreamGM
Can’t go wrong at 1.5m.
Big Hurt
Today feels like the end of my fantasy auction, when everyone spent like $258 of their $260 and people are getting decent players for $1 or $2 because everyone’s out of money.
JoeBrady
That’s the best part of the auction. I once got Severino with the absolute last pick in the draft just before his 2017 season. The traded him for Urias about two weeks before Urias had TJS.
Melchez17
I still don’t understand Carson Kelly as backup catcher… They need to call the Dodgers about Hunter Feduccia. Solid defense… lefty bat that doesn’t K a lot. A little power. He would be a solid bench guy behind Rogers.
Kelly is AAAA material.
Motor City Beach Bum
I think Rogers will regress some and Kelly will step up closer to what he used to be. That’s still a pretty good combo but I’d like to see them go out and grab a surefire replacement for the future like Kevin Parada. I’m not sold on the multiple minor league catchers in the system.
Gwynning
Call us if you’re looking for potential 100+ game catchers. Our stable is flush, but we probably won’t move Campusano (need him now) or Salas (too studly). Another young buck C Brandon Valenzuela might be running out of roster options in SD… whatchu got in the OF or SP ranks for swappsies?
Motor City Beach Bum
Tigers are flush in pitchers. Guys like Bigbie in the OF who are close. Not sure if Valenzuela would hold appeal. I was actually surprised how many catchers made the back end of Detroits top 30 list on Motor City Bengals, although most did not sound super intriguing, or seem destined for other positions (Briceno). The guy I find intriguing in their system who was not on the top 30, is Czernowyk (sp?). They drafted him last year and signed him for overslot.
The Tigers have some surplus in the areas that the Padres have needs and vice versa. They certainly match up on paper.
kingsfan1968
Angels should have brought him back at that price! Played really good until the injury! Besides, Redon will miss 1/2 the season or longer!
Halo11Fan
Urshella played well? He had a wRC+ of 92. Average rang (55 percentile) poor arm (22 percentile). at 3rd.
He’s a band-aide, and I’ve had enough of band-aides.
D-Nice
Hit .299 with the defensive metrics liking him. When healthy, he’s always around 300. I’d take him and his 1.5 mil over Rendon and his ridiculous contract. And he was supposed to be the healing that turned into the gash that you’re sick of putting band-aids on, lol. And besides, Tigers have Jung hitting 30 bombs at AAA anyway….just marinating.
Motor City Beach Bum
I don’t hate it if he plays like he has in the past. I guess he should get somewhat of a mulligan for his 2 HR year since he got hurt and the price and length of the deal sure was right. Who gets cut or sent down now is the big question. I see Hopkins 40 man spot opened up for him. Does Vierling move back to backup OF and Baddoo goes down? McKinistry going to be cut? Interesting times.
Next year…Tigers sign Bregman!
D-Nice
They’re not forking him over 300 million (probably) just to go on the IL twice a season when they have Jung just sitting there jackin 25-30 bombs at Toledo. I have Bergman on my fantasy teams, which means nothing, I know…except that I always have him stashed on my IL constantly, it seems.
D-Nice
Bregman, sorry. Auto correct got me.
Rightout
Nice signing.. Gio can play all over the place.would expect a platoon with Mckinstry at 3rd and if and when Javy struggles Gio to slide over to SS..guy can bat in the 1st, 2nd, or 7th spots in the order…Tigers are maybe an 83-87 win team with what they have..still not good enough to win in this garbage Division… Which is inexcusable at this point..
D-Nice
Assuming both teams young players take a step forward, Detroit’s have more upside. Minnesota has only subtracted this off-season, sans Santana, DeSclafani and Topa. Meanwhile, Detroit has Maeda, Flaherty, Shelby Miller and Chafin, a healthy Greene, Mize and Manning, a full season of Skubal, .350 obp Canha and a .300 hitting Urshela when healthy. I’ll go with the Tigers by a slim margin. It most def will depend on health and development though, obviously.
Rightout
I like Vierling, I hope he stays up…Baddoo would have to be waived I believe he is out of options..so Vierling may go down..Not sure on Bregman signing..Jung is peciled in next year at 3rd…still would like Tigers to find another bat on a one year deal…just don’t see it happening.. JD Martinez would be an option but he is DH only at this stage in his career..
Motor City Beach Bum
I think Baddoo still has options. Pretty sure I read that somewhere. If Urshela has a decent year, that helps plug the only real hole in the lineup. Then him and Canha are gone next year so the young guys can play or maybe they sign or trade for a big name. Every other position is full up this year. Keith, Meadows and hopefully Malloy will give them some extra offence with full seasons.
tigerfan4ever
You would be correct regarding Baddoo. Actually, I think I saw a podcast state that Akil still has two options. Don’t forget, the rule 5 season, they couldn’t option him.
D-Nice
Only way there’d be another bat is if they package Manning, Baddoo or Veirling and either Meadows or Carpenter for an All-Star OFer and maybe a better closer. Preferably Brian Reynolds and Bednar of Pittsburgh since someone like Chisholm or Robert would cost way more. I know, I’m dreaming. Then they could sign JD Martinez. I’m content with what we have now though. Urshela is around .300 if healthy.
tigerfan4ever
They shouldn’t sign JD. Yes, he’s a good power guy but he’s a DH only player who never really had all that great of defense. He’s going to command quite a commitment and frankly, I’d like to see the DH spot be more flexible. I’m tired of the long DH only contracts. Think how Victor and Miggy did at the end of their respective careers. I’m sure JD is headed in their direction. I’ll
tigerfan4ever
Continuing on…as I prematurely pushed the post comment….I’ll be curious on how they deal with Manning. I like the suggestion about Brian Reynolds. It’s crazy the Pirates keep the drama alive every year about him. The Tigers don’t need to trade for a better closer though….not while they have Holton and Foley. They both proved to be better than Lange last season.
dkhits20
I think they see Shelby Miller as our highest leverage guy. He’ll very possibly get more save opps than Lange this season.
Non Roster Invitee
Scott Harris pulling a Farhan. Like he was taught.
WeTheOnes
Baddoo has options and unless there are injuries, he is probably headed to Toledo and the trade block. Malloy will spend a lot of the year if not all in Toledo learning to be a Marcus Thames type of player. DH and occasionally left field. He can’t play anywhere else in the field.
Motor City Beach Bum
I’m hoping Baddoo has a good showing this year. I’d hate to see him go elsewhere and blossom into a 20-20 guy. Sometimes he just looks lost at the plate, but when he’s on he’s exciting. Inconsistent unfortunately.
I was really looking forward to Malloy getting some playing time. Seems like he needs more test driving in the OF at AAA though.
WeTheOnes
Love Baddoo, just can’t see where he fits with Greene, Meadows, Canha, Carpenter and Vierling as a RH utility guy who can play all 3 outfield spots.
GarryHarris
Akil Badoo has poor reflexes; he makes diving catches on balls hit in routine play areas; his defense has not improved. An organization built around pitching requires good defenders. Badoo doesn’t hit enough to offset his liability on defense.
Habeto
The Tigers just got a fine player for basically peanuts. Solid move.
I believe Urshela left some money on the table to play for a team where he could play everyday; if he can go close to his 2019-2022 average, he will for sure get a multi-year deal next offseason.
Detroit now has a sneaky-good lineup (specially if Baez somehow comes back… big IF) and they are maybe a frontline starter of competing in a weak division. Maybe Montgomery on a 4-year deal? Or maybe bringing back both Lorenzen and Boyd?
Motor City Beach Bum
It would be a great move to sign Montgomery to get their number 2 starter, but they will probably hold the fort and wait on Jobe next year or a comeback season for Mize or Flaherty. Montgomery would be the cherry on top of the offseason!
GarryHarris
So who gets cut to make room?
tigerfan4ever
That ship has sailed. The cut was they DFAd TJ Hopkins shortly after the news broke about Gio.
sergefunction
Mister Reckless Chris Ilitch will pounce once again if Blake Snell agrees to $1.75M.
Don’t get too excited, Blake. There are 2 periods in that sentence.
To be fair, the Tigers will escalate that to a 2-year guarantee if Snell is a good boy. And wins 40 games.
Augusto Barojas
You can’t possibly get more upside than Urshela has for the price. He’s not great and might not do well, but just a season removed from a very productive 3 WAR season. Hard not to like the move for the Tigers, if it doesn’t work out they barely risked anything.
LambchoP
Solid player for a great value. I think he’ll earn his 1.5 million and then some…
HEHEHATE
Really had a major down year on his terms . I think he’s more of a 3b than he’ll ever be a ci, but he’s gonna get the pt to hopefully bank on this and rebrand his value.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Steve Adams: you absolutely stink at writing.
“Solid as his career has been” ISN’T PROPER ENGLISH. You can’t just leave “as” out at the beginning of the sentence because you feel like it. Grammar isn’t optional if you’re being paid to write.
Furthermore, when talking about Ilitch’s son, you don’t need commas around “Chris.” This is flat-out unnecessary. Are you being paid by the comma?
tigerfan4ever
Don’t let STYMEEDONE see this post about your criticism of Steve Adams. He’ll try to hurt your feelings, call you the grammar police and ask you if you made cadet yet.
GarryHarris
My spelling and grammar on this baseball forum is often criticized. The criticism is always mean spirited and sometimes even incorrect.
Can I detect a flaw in the grammar of this self appointed editor’s correction?
jerg22
Tigs need to grow a pair. This division is for the taking.