The Padres are known to be on the lookout for outfield help and spoke to the Brewers about Sal Frelick at some point, per a report from Dennis Lin of The Athletic.
The San Diego offseason has largely been defined by financial concerns. The club’s aggressive spending in past offseasons, as well as the collapse of their TV deal with Diamond Sports group, left them having to cut payroll this winter. The largest chunk that they cut out of their spending was when they traded Juan Soto and Trent Grisham to the Yankees for several young pitchers. Soto eventually agreed to a $31MM salary in his final arbitration year and Grisham agreed at $5.5MM.
The Friars have since signed a few relievers but the payroll is well down. Roster Resource has them at $159MM in terms of pure payroll and $216MM in terms of the competitive balance tax, the wide disparity owing to some backloaded deals, since the CBT is calculated by a contract’s average annual value. Per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, the Padres had an Opening Day payroll of $249MM last year, which they are now significantly below. The club reportedly prefers to keep their CBT under the $237MM threshold, giving them about $20MM of wiggle room, which tracks with recent reporting that the club has about $20-30MM left to spend this offseason.
But they still have many holes to fill. The rotation could use another arm or maybe two. There’s room for a designated hitter or potent bench bat type, while the two outfield vacancies still remain. The club recently re-signed Jurickson Profar, but he would be best served to be in a bench/utility role rather than an everyday player.
Given the number of spots to fill and the tight budget, the club has naturally explored cheap external options. It was reported last week that the club had interest of Jarren Duran of the Red Sox. Both he and Frelick are still in their pre-arbitration years, meaning they could potentially provide the Padres with many years of cheap control. However, the flip side is that the acquisition cost in terms of players heading the other way would naturally be higher.
Frelick, 24 in April, made his MLB debut last year and generally performed well. His 16.6% strikeout rate was well below league average and his 12.2% walk rate a few ticks above. He only hit three home runs in his 57 games, but his .246/.341/.351 slash line still got him close to league average overall, a 92 wRC+. He also stole seven bases without being caught while getting strong grades for his glovework. He produced six Defensive Runs Saved and seven Outs Above Average in that brief showing last year, while also getting a mark of 4.5 from Ultimate Zone Rating.
In addition to that promising debut, he also carries prospect pedigree with him. He was selected by the Brewers with the 15th overall pick in 2021 and was been considered a top 100 prospect while pushing towards the big leagues. Even though his power impact is considered limited, he is still expected to be a viable gap hitter who provides value via his on-base abilities, speed and defense. If the power were to develop later as he matures, that would only improve the equation.
It’s understandable that the Padres would be interested in such a player, as he is clearly talented and also comes with six cheap years of control. That also makes him attractive to the Brewers, however, and they are undoubtedly setting a high asking price.
It’s possible they have some openness to a deal based on their roster, as they have plenty of other outfielders on hand. Prospect Jackson Chourio could be in the picture this year after signing an $82MM extension. Christian Yelich is still a regular in left. Frelick would be in the mix for playing time alongside players like Garrett Mitchell, Joey Wiemer, Blake Perkins and Chris Roller. It’s possible to subtract Frelick from there and still have a decent outfield. Frelick, Wiemer and Mitchell are all glove-first types but Chourio is expected to cover center field for years to come, so perhaps they would be better off trading someone from that group and getting a typical power bat to put into a corner.
It’s unclear when these talks took place or if anything got close. Despite their recent Corbin Burnes trade, the Brewers aren’t tanking, as they targeted MLB-ready pieces in that deal and have spent money on players like Rhys Hoskins, Gary Sánchez and Jakob Junis. If they were to consider any kind of Frelick trade, they would likely be looking for players who could help them compete in 2024. Whether the Padres have the pieces to get that done, and the willingness to give them up, remains to be seen.
Elsewhere in Padres’ notes, Lin adds that it’s unclear if Ha-Seong Kim would be eligible for a qualifying offer if traded between the Padres’ Seoul Series and the resumption of their season. Players are normally ineligible for a qualifying offer if traded midseason. The Padres have an unusual start to their schedule, with two games in Seoul against the Dodgers March 20 and 21, then a gap until they play the Giants on the league-wide Opening Day of March 28 in San Diego.
Kim is an impending free agent, as his deal has a mutual option for 2025 but those provisions are almost never picked up by both sides. With the Padres looking to cut some costs, Kim’s name has popped up in trade rumors. The Padres could move Jake Cronenworth back to second base and then use the money saved by trading Kim to find first base help. Speculatively speaking, it’s possible that they may prefer to hold off on such a deal until after the Seoul Series so that Kim can play in front of the fans of his home country.
But taking such a path may not allow them to market a future QO to a trading partner. Hypothetically, a team acquiring Kim might plan on making him a QO at season’s end and recouping some the value that they gave in the trade. Such a situation has never previously occurred and Lin reports that MLB and the MLBPA would have to discuss it if it came to pass, which would seem to muddy the waters a bit on a possible trade.
towinagain
“Interest”
Ha-Seong Kim
Add one or two of: Frelick, G Mitchell, Duran, Moniak, Duvall, etc and let’s ride
Gwynning
Minute chance, but if we trade you please come back HSK! SD ♡ HSK
Ha-Seong Kim
Man, I’m not looking forward to changing the handle! Haha
FanDan
Duran and Moniak are pretty worthless. Can’t afford Duvall unless they trade some substantive salary away.
Simm
The padres have 20-3 still available to spend, Duvall doesn’t cast much at all.
FanDan
$10 Mil
Simm
I doubt Duvall cost that much. Prob closer to 6 than 10.
FanDan
Phillies just gave Whit Merrifield $8 Million. Duvall gets at least $10M.
Pads Fans
The rumors Lin is talking about were all over the place during the Winter Meetings back in December. He is a little late in reporting it.
IMHO Frelick would be a good addition to the team. MLB ready. 23 years old. 6 years of team control. Hit for average but no power in the minors. Great speed. Might improve his play to someday be an above league average hitter and plays good defense at all 3 OF positions. For now he is a guy that was a good prospect before last season but hasn’t proven himself at the major league level.
He would be a great 4th OF. I would like to see Preller trade for him but since he is not a MLB starter either on the Brewers or the Padres, the Padres should not have to give up much for him.
wtfCheeseheadChuck
He has proven himself in the majors, he’s already proven he has the floor of a major league regular 1-3WAR type of guy with his speed, glove, on base/base stealing abilities and he has a decent arm as well, he’s shown power at times in the minors, this article failed to mention last year he had broken bones in his hand/wrist (can’t remember which without looking it up) and came off the IL in the minors for a week or two then made his major league debut, im thinking it’s safe to assume that sapped some of his power and hoping a year to heal/strengthen back up gets that slug% back into at least the low .400’s which he’s shown he’s more than capable of doing, he’s actually pretty jacked just on the shorter side but anyway the Padres would have to offer the Crew immense treasures for Sal and I’m really thinking there’s no real way it’s happening
tigers182
Is Joey Wiemer really a “glove first-type”? Dude can mash, when he makes contact
marrtho
When he makes contact
HBan22
He has solid power, but he hasn’t really “mashed” since A-Ball. As of now, he stands out more for his glove than his bat.
swagsuperawesomeepiccoolman123
you answered your own question lol
BrewCrewBraz
He can only hit the fast ball
marrtho
We’re good thanks tho
Gwynning
K byeeee
Sharocko
Questionable exit velocities?
Gwynning
Yeah odd phrasing- they’re not questionable when they’re right there in black & white. Stats aren’t “negotiable”
Brew88
Alternative facts?
Gwynning
Jumbo shrimp!
Sharocko
I believe in AJ in his crew…they often gets things more right then wrong whether ppl want to believe that or not…and Padres do need more OFers to complete their roster. As you read the names padres are talking about you start doing your homework on em… seems SF started out like gangbusters but as the league started catching up to him…ppl noticed his hard rate contact and exit velocities were a lil down…that’s all I’m saying. He’s still a very talented player.
wvsteve
What would they be able to give up for a solid OF with 6 more years of control ?
Gwynning
What is MKE looking for? Hot lava ovah here, get yer hot lava!
wallabeechamp
And AJ is just the man to get fleeced for more prospects whilst taking on more bloat for the top of the roster. He’s willing to give up anyone from his newest ‘future core’ for another shortstop that’s willing to play out of position for a chance to ‘slay the Dragon to the north’. Straight idiocy
RIP Pete.
Seamaholic
Preller’s history has some bumps when he traded someone that turned out to be really good (Trea Turner) but actually he’s usually right about his own guys and keeps the right ones.
mustache101
You want a top 100 prospect you have to give up a top 100 prospect and probably more brewers are not looking to move him your the team that wants him…. A top 100 prospect a high upside young prospect and all your international money would probably get it done if Padres don’t like it boo hoo…. Brewers keep an outfielder dirt cheap with 6 years of control with options
Seamaholic
Brewers won’t want a prospect. They’d want someone who can help them right now. In 2024.
Pads Fans
Frelick wasn’t a starter last season and he won’t be if he stays in Milwaukee this season. 4th OF there with Chourio signing that huge deal and moving up
He has no power. Legs and glove type of player. May eventually hit for average because he has a good eye at the plate. That is not a player that a team gets a huge return for in trade even if he was once a top 50 prospect.
Russell Branyan
Either Sal or Garrett will be starting. Yelich & Chourio will take up 2/3 of the OF spots. That’s leaves Frelick & Mitchell to fight for the other spot, with Wiemer possibly getting starts vs LHP
Also, Sal was a starter after getting called up. Mitchell was hurt, and Chourio wasn’t up yet obviously
BrewCrewBacker
Your take is stupid. He played less than half of his rookie season. Why would the Brewers unload him to the Padres cause they have interest in how? How many at bats did you see him take last year? How many Brewer games did you watch last year? He was a starter when he was up for good. He will be in a brewers uniform for years to come. He is lead off material.
wtfCheeseheadChuck
In ‘22 he was called up to AAA and in over 190pa had a slug% over .500, u don’t have a slug% over .500 at any level at any time post 100pa if u have “no power” get outta here with your slandering making crap up nonsense, do u really think you’re so special u can just make crap up about people/reality and it’s just true if u say it cause maybe someone believes u, well it’s still not reality and reality is Sal had broken bones in his hand or wrist last year and apparently it sapped his power, but he still had 1.2war in under 200pa/57games, that’s a 3.5+war guy over a whole season and that’s with his power sapped, he’s a special player no matter how you smear that dooo you call a “take”
wtfCheeseheadChuck
The Crew needs your Muscle…..
Pads Fans
In 2022 he had 4 HR in those 215 PA Legging out doubles and triples does not mean he has power. It means he is fast.
Total production in AAA – 6 HR, .432 SLG in 398 PA.
Total production in minors – 15 HR and a .451 SLG in 921 PA
He has no power.
Pads Fans
Frelick started 49 of 64 Brewers games at 3 different positions. He hit 3 HR in 223 PA and played good defense. He was the definition of a 4th OF.
In 2024 he will be a utility guy because there is no starting spot spot in the OF for him with Chourio taking CF and Yelich in LF. Weimer has serious pop in his bat and both Frelick and Mitchell are LHB so Frelick is the odd man out. That is why he is working out at If position in camp.
HBan22
It’s too bad the Padres didn’t get to Tyrone Taylor before the Mets did. The Brewers traded him to them for almost nothing, and he looked really good in the second half last season (.900 OPS over the final two months). He can play a passable CF and controllable for three more years. Would have been a good fit in San Diego.
FanDan
Heck. They could have had Aaron Hicks for less than what they are paying Profar. A whiff.
Longtimecoming
Fan, I like to respond to posts like this with a friendly / non-combative reminder that the players have a say in where they sign too just to Lee perspective on free agency signings.
Wheels & The Leg Man
@longtime. Wait, are you saying baseball players are humans with free will and not just named machines that fulfill their main task of playing baseball regardless of environment?
enricopallazzo
I like Taylor but he’s a 4th OF. A good one but have seen enough to highly doubt he’s everyday material
wtfCheeseheadChuck
Taylor is better than passable in CF, dude has straight cannon for an arm but offensively just can’t seem to find consistency however wouldn’t be surprised to see him break out more in ‘24, kinda been a bit of a late bloomer
El Niño
The Padres CEO said they will be able to maintain this years payroll figure for years to come based on their revenue for years to come. Their goal this year was resetting the luxury tax. Framing it as “financial concern” isn’t really accurate.
Seamaholic
Not the CEO’s call. It will be the new owner’s.
El Niño
@seam the CEO was speaking on revenue figures for the organization which he is absolutely in a position to do. People on this site don’t understand the padres have revenue streams outside of the product on the field during the season.
Seamaholic
Maybe. I’d bet he is constrained by the ownership situation (unless it’s just passing to heirs who have already weighed in). That’s their profits he’s spending.
Longtimecoming
Seam, “New owner’s”
What new owners?
Seamaholic
I guess I’m assuming there will be new owners after the last one passed away.
Simm
He put the team in a trust, said it would remain in his family for decades (supposedly) to come.
Though let’s face it stuff happens that could always change that.
CrikesAlready
Their weak media deals (including an FM flagship radio station) could hurt if they continue their path.
Simbosargos
Good luck.
amk1920
Typical Preller. Trying to acquire a teams former 1st rounder young top player. You giving up Merrill, Salas or the kid you just signed? No? Brewers laugh and hang up
Seamaholic
Frelick isn’t that good. Thought of now as solid regular ceiling, not a star. Not enough pop and unlikely to develop it due to his size. His main value is his CF defense but he almost certainly will never play there regularly in Milwaukee.
drewm
True, Chourio probably sticks in CF and Frelick in the corners. He won’t hit for a lot of power, but he makes contact and has great place discipline. You want something, you give up something. Good chance he hits about 100 points better than your former CF
Seamaholic
Yeah he’s a good player, but there’s no way the Padres even think about Merrill or Salas in a trade for him. Especially not Salas, who I suspect is about as untouchable as any player in minor league ball. Superstar catchers are so rare. I honestly don’t think they trade him straight up for Chourio.
winniejones31
I would LOVE to acquire Frelick and his good CF defense, good speed and good on-base skills. I would actually try to acquire BOTH Garrett Mitchell and Frelick. Put them in Left and Centerfield
mustache101
Are you kidding???? Chourio is the #2 prospect in the game!!!! And he’s signed for dirt cheap!!! Only 19 years old… the brewers are the team that would hang up!!! If you offered both them players the brewers would hang up… by the way the brewers have a catcher In the minors rated HIGHER….
Seamaholic
Salas is the 8th ranked prospect in all of baseball by mlb.com and everyone ahead of him will graduate this year. He’s not even 18 years old yet and is already the best catching prospect in the game, after being the best international signing candidate in years. Which is basically unheard of. I don’t know what world you live in. Chourio’s a great prospect but young good CFers are not uncommon.
Platoon Advantage
Salas hasn’t hit above A ball. Massively overhyped without the production to back it up.. He’s the type of prospect you prop up by pushing him quickly then trade him to a sucker while his value is at it’s highest. It’s hilarious that the Padres thought he deserved a promotion after 9 games in A+ ball with a .472 OPS.
My how the turns have tabled
Well your takes are usually bad. Add another one to the list
Brewers have a surplus of OFs need pitching
Padres have a surplus of pitching need OFs
They can get someone like Frelick with Lesko or Snelling heading back to the Brewers in a deal with other pieces involved.
Makes 0 sense to trade Merrill when he can play OF to begin his career and none of the Brew crews OFs are worth Salas or De Vries as catcher is much more premium position than CF and
Seamaholic
I would say the Brewers are even more in need of a third baseman.
Gwynning
3B Graham Pauley straight up seems fair, but I’d rather keep Pauley and see how he does in LF. Dude is gunna mash
Ha-Seong Kim
@Gywnning
Pauley looks legit. I’d be upset if we moved him for just about anybody. He may be the best hitter in our farm—superbly underrated imo.
One of Zavala, Mazur, Lizaraga, I’d be ok w/.
Brew88
@HSK. Agree. Of Marsee, Merrill and Pauley I think Pauley’s hitting game is the most mature and ML ready at this point M &M still need more toning ( in minors ). Staying level through the strike zone, Pauley’s swing reminds a little of Jake Cronenworth BEFORE Jake experimented with trying to loft the ball. If he can handle LF while also playing some IF positions, he could have an impact with the Pads in 2024.
Ha-Seong Kim
@brew
I too think if one of those 3 make an impact in 24, my money is on GP
wallabeechamp
Pobres have three question marks and a bunch of dudes no one questions because we aren’t aware they exist in their rotation.
But sure, call others’ takes bad.
My how the turns have tabled
Internet tip: don’t use alt accounts to back up your bad takes.
Padres have depth you didn’t disprove a single thing I said. Do better.
amk1920
Having a surplus doesn’t automatically mean you will get him at a discount. Padre fans are funny thinking teams want their 2nd tier prospects for a guy who at worst will be a really good defender with an average bat and under team control for 6 years. Preller could obviously get it done if he really wanted to overpay but it’s a feeble attempt to save his job
My how the turns have tabled
Who said discount?
There you go again with the bad takes. You have 0 idea what was/has been offered lmao.
You follow up your bad take of “trade top 10 prospects in baseball” for a glove 1st league average offensive CF with “omg padres want a discount idk why they just do”
Dude. Get better material. Be a better troll.
amk1920
Padre fans acting like having interest in a small market teams controllable top prospect 1st round pick from less than 3 years ago is normal lmao. I’m sure the Brewers are in a rush to trade him to San Diego. Might as well throw in Mitchell and Joey Ortiz too. Any more top rookies the Padres have interest in? Preller going to call the Reds about Matt McLain?
My how the turns have tabled
They have interest in a cost controlled cf. Durran is also on the list.
Breaking news: team with positional need looking into cost controlled solutions rather than pay aging Cody Bellinger 20-30 mill he wants.
You’re new to baseball huh? Explains all the bad takes.
“ Padre fans acting like having interest in a small market teams controllable top prospect 1st round pick from less than 3 years ago is normal lmao”
Actually yes. It’s quite normal. Teams have interest in other teams players especially current and former top prospects. You don’t know how trades work do you? Team a has interest in team b player(s). Team b had interest in team a player(s). They rabble rabble rabble and agree on a trade.
Padres literally traded for Grisham a former 1st rounder of the Brewers a couple years ago. White Sox just traded Aaron Bummer to the Braves for some of their former 1st rounders. How are you this bad at this amk?
Pads Fans
Frelick has no starting spot in the Brewers roister in 2024. Chourio is the CF. Yelich is the LF. There are 4 guys that are competing for time in the roster beyond those 2. Frelick has no power. He did not hit for average in Milwaukee or AAA last season.
He was a 55FV prospect, so regardless of where he was on the Brewers list or where they took him in the draft, that means his ceiling is slightly above league average or 2-3 WAR.
The Brewers were the one actively shopping him at the Winter Meetings in December where they obviously found out that no team, including the Padres, was willing to give them what they were asking for.
Brew88
Snelling or Lesko? Friars roll their eyes
My how the turns have tabled
Straight up? No
In a deal with 2-3 players from brewers coming back including Frelick, probably.
When the Cardinals and Rays traded Libratore for Arozarena there were other pieces involved in the deal.
OldSaltUSN
I don’t know the Brewers team salary limitations or position needs. However, if there was a package for someone like Frelick that included SOME money and Croneworth back, with maybe a good Pads prospect included (can’t name which one), that might work. In that case, both teams are getting major leaguers with promise and upside, the Pads are taking care of the salary to some extent, and the Brewers score prospect(s) in the deal. I personally believe Cronenworth has a career year this year, returns to more of his mean, this year, particularly if he’s a second baseman. It solves a Padres problem. It benefits the Brewers, but I don’t know if the matchup (do the need an IF?!) would work.
Oh, and yeah, I don’t think Salas or Merrill would be the guys coming back. They’re high floor, high upside guys, too close to the bigs to trade. Not sure what package would work, but it’d have to be Pads prospects in the #3 thru maybe #11, that the Brewers might need to balance their farm.
Seamaholic
Pads have been trying to GIVE Cronenworth away all off-season. And you think he’s gonna be a piece of a trade for a solid CFer with 6 years of control?
Pads Fans
You are drunk, aren’t you? Frelick wasn’t a starter on the Brewers last season. He has no power. He didn’t hit for average in his first 220 PA in the majors or in AAA last season
If you were talking about a kid that had the prospect of being an impact player and not just a 55FV prospect last season, then maybe the Padres give up Merrill. Not for Frelick who has a much lower ceiling than Merrill.
Salas is a generational talent. There isn’t anyone in MLB worth trading him for. From what I understand, De Vries can’t be traded yet.
Brewers should keep him. Every team needs a fast 4th Of that can come in as a defensive replacement for the starters at all 3 Of positions.
Platoon Advantage
He was a late season call up and started as soon as he made the majors. Do the math on 57 games and 223 AB’s.
Pads Fans
49 starts after being called up on July 22nd for team game #98. So with 64 games left on the schedule. Played games at 3 different positions.
That is pretty much the definition of a 4th OF.
Platoon Advantage
49 starts in 64 games (77%). Sounds like the strong side of a platoon which is a starter. Your 4th OF would be the weakside of the platoon….
“Players who do not routinely start games, but often substitute as a pinch hitter or defensive replacement in the outfield are referred to as fourth outfielders”
You’re one special (Ed) Padres fan.
Pads Fans
That is EXACTLY the % of starts a 4th OF that can play good defense or a utility player would get.
That you have to stoop to failed attempts at insults shows even you know the lack of validity of your opinions.
Platoon Advantage
There’s fulltime players (start everyday against RHP and LHP)
Starters (play the majority of time 70-80% as strong side of platoons)
Part time players (weakside of platoons start 20-30% of games)
Bench players (Pinch hitters / runners & defensive replacements)
Frelick started the majority of games he played when he was called up. You consistently say he’s not a starter when he did start and started from day 1.. The fact that Craig Counsell is a conservative manager and didn’t move Wiemer (another great defensive player off CF) doesn’t mean that Frelick can’t handle that position. It just means the Brewers have several CFer’s who are elite defensively and didn’t want to mess with Wiemer’s head, when he was already struggling offensively.
Right now Frelick is a 3 war player with the upside for even more. It’s not hard to see him as a .280/.360/.420 hitter with 30 SBs and elite D. He’s got a much safer floor than Lesko who could be great or could be just another flameout. I’ve seen far too many pitchers like him who get injured and never are the same. I’m 10x more enamored with Adam Mazur who will actually stick in the rotation.
Wiscokid#frackle
I would offer them Mitchell before Frelick. They offer similar profiles, but I think Frelick will strike out less. Mitchell still has 5 years of control left so he can man center for years to come. The brewers could use rotation help or another high end reliever.
Burritobeast22
Ive actually been thinking a lot about Mitchell but i think the brewers would be selling low as he was hurt most of last year.
Jeremy320
Mitchell has 6 years of control.
brewfan27
Padres can have Blake Perkins
Gwynning
Deal, those 2 dozen fish tacos and 24pk Stone IPA are headed your way…
minor league guy
I still think the brewers are coming out on top on that one…
Gwynning
Big Perk required the overpay
Longtimecoming
Gwynning – no way! I value a good fish taco and an IPA too much for that trade!
OldSaltUSN
Well, I looked up Sal Frelick. Not just his MLB debut last year, but his background. Boston college, 2021 draft. RF. 1.2WAR, .246/.341/ .351/ .682 Apparently, he made one top 100 prospect list for one year, but that’s it.
Basically, he’s Trent Grisham, without the centerfield, 2x gold glove defensive skills. I’m guessing that Brewer fans will be much more excited with anyone the Padres sent back, then Pads fans would be seeing Frelick in a Padres uniform.
(Ok, ok, I looked up and revised his stats. Maybe he’s another Profar, I dunno. I’d rather take a chance on Jakob Marsee and Merrill before trading prospects for Frelick.)
I don’t hate Padres prospects more than other teams prospects. I’m guessing that ANY deal that Preller makes for the lowest level prospect (or MLB level untility player) will cost us one, or probably at least two, of the 5 or 6 Padres top 100 prospects. Certainly, a few of the Pads top 30, while the guys coming back may have never made the mlb top 250 or 500. Wonder why that is.
MLB Casino
Old fair and balanced you posted his stats during the 2020 Covid season, where he had a total of 58 At Bats. You somehow ignored all his other stats, the 2021 season stats, .443 on base percentage, .559 slugging in 195 At Bats. Then there was the 2019 season, . 447 on base percentage and .513 slugging in 150 at bats. In 71 At Bats for the Carolina Mudcats, .437 average, .497 on base percentage, 1085 ops. In 2022, in 224 ABs hit .317 ,380 OBP in double A southern league, noted as a pitchers league, then in triple a , hit .365, .430 obp, .508 slugging.
Seamaholic
He’s literally hit 30 HR’s in his life, including college. He’s very small, and not a kid (24 years old). Guys like that with the gaudy OBP but little HR pop tend to be minor league phenoms, because major league pitchers will just feed him strike after strike, not being scared of him at all. That will reduce his walks and make the whole package much less attractive.
Brew88
Odds aren’t outrageous Merrill or Marsee are better MLers than Frelick by August.
OldSaltUSN
@JoeLahoud.
2023 Career stats – 191 AB’s, 1.2 WAR
baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=fre…
I got the stats from there. I didn’t manufacture them. I did post stats from ’21 or ’22 (can’t be sure) because I was swapping pages, and corrected it within about 3 minutes.
If the Brewers like him, they should definitely keep him, extend him to 6+ years. He’s certainly not worth Kim. He’s certainly not worth any of the Padres ranked in the top 100, IMHO. He’s a bit like Cronenworth, absent Cronie’s contract. He’s done some things, but he’s still more “suspect”, with MLB time, no longer a prospect, and a team trading dearly for him would have to be expecting something from him that the Brew crew have yet to see. He MIGHT develop into a 3 or 4 WAR player, but he’s not close to there yet, and he’s not worth that kind of trade capital.
Here’s another take. H. S. Kim was worth what, his first year, with a big contract and a yet to be proven, .200 bat. Second year, yeah, a servicable, defense first utility IF. Third year, teams can’t come up with what it takes to pay for his value. But Kim wasn’t there his first year, was he? Neither is Frelick.
Seamaholic
Cronenworth pre-contract was a far better hitter than Frelick. Obviously not as good a fielder.
Brew’88
though Cronie is a helluva glove
Simm
The padres aren’t trading 2 of their top 6 for Felick.
mustache101
Then you don’t get him won’t break the brewers heart… your team is the one that wants him…. Brewers are happy to keep him
OldSaltUSN
@mustache101
That’s SUCH a hilarious reply. I recall all the fans from other teams who much like you, said “Hey, we don’t want Padres ‘junk prospects’. It’s either Tatis or nobody for ….(any of THEIR junk prospects).”
I posted at the time, something to the effect of, “If 29 other GM’s wouldn’t trade Tatis if they had him, why would you expect Preller to do so.” If ANY team comes to a GM proposing a trade (or replying), who has a prospect at the level of Salas or Tatis, or some of the other very-high-ceiling prospects in other franchises, with the demand, “Hey, it’s your top, future HOF prospect or we don’t wanna talk anymore.” They’ll hear back a polite “Thanks”, just before the “click” and dial tone, and there won’t be anymore calls to or from that GM. That’s because GM’s won’t work with a***h**les. It’s like you walking into a dealership, looking at a truck priced at $70K retail, and telling them, “Look, I want to buy that truck, I have cash in my pocket, and I’ll pay $39,000, not a nickel MORE, or I walk.” The sales guy is #1, gonna be insulted, and #2, hold the door for you as you walk.
Honestly, it’s just not a mature view of how the world works. When AJ Preller talks about “matching up”, that’s EVERYTHING when teams do in fact, match up and do a deal. Neither GM is trying to stripmine the other team. They want a win-win situation (emphasis on their own team winning, of course), and to establish a lasting relationship for future deals.
Pads Fans
They aren’t trading one of their top 6 for Frelick. A No power 4th OF that play good defense and did not hit for average in AAA or the MLB last season are not extremely valuable.
Platoon Advantage
You should be jumping for joy if the Brewers took Dylan Lesko off your hands. Good look being anything other than a reliever with his control issues.
Brew88
Lesko is a future HOFer
Pads Fans
19 years old and struck out 14.2/9 in his first pro season, a 55FV or 60FV depending on the scouting service (MLB/BA/BP), and a Top 50 prospect on BA and BP today.
I am thinking that they are correct about Lesko and you are dead wrong. .
Platoon Advantage
The scouting services you’re citing also rated Frelick the same LOL. Coming into last year he was rated 34th on BA, 30th on MLB and 41st on BP.
I’ll say it again, Lesko will be lucky to be anything other than a reliever with his control issues. He had a BB/9 of 8.3 in A+ ball. Tell me the success rate of pitchers who nearly walk a guy per inning in the majors.
Pads Fans
Frelick.
MLB – Hit: 70 | Power: 45 | Run: 70 | Arm: 55 | Field: 55 | Overall: 55
45 is below average. He showed he had NO power and didn’t hit for average at any level across 405 PA in 2023. .247 with .675 OPS at AAA and .246 with .692 OPS with the Brewers. Frelick has no starting position in the OF so he is having to work out at 2B and 3B hoping to secure a utility job with the Brewers come OD.
“Frelick has gotten work exclusively at second base and third base this spring and will be used in the infield during Cactus League games, Brewers manager Pat Murphy said.”
Lesko
MLB: Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 55 | Changeup: 70 | Control: 55 | Overall: 55
Notice the 55 under control. That is above average. He HAS no control issues. That is all in your mind. .He had 12 IP in Ft Wayne so Small Sample Size Theatre.. Lesko will be assigned to AA San Antonio to begin this season at age 20. Get a grip.
Platoon Advantage
Good try but that’s not the quote from Murphy, whatever narrative you’re trying to create is completely false.- “Frelick has gotten work at second base and third base this spring and will be used in the infield during Cactus League games, Brewers manager Pat Murphy said”
With the Brewers potentially carrying 3 catchers they would only have 1 backup infielder. If they had an injury or ejection after a double switch they would be SOL. He’s learning to play the IF for emergency purposes.
And your boy doesn’t have above average control. MLB pipeline just makes an excuse for him after coming off TJ surgery. “The 6-foot-2 right-hander did walk 22 batters in his 33 innings, but any control concerns should go away the farther he gets from surgery and the more he stays on the mound.”
He used to have good control before his injury but he’s not the same pitcher. What you have is a guy with great stuff without the ability to harness it at all. He should return to A+ ball until he learns how to find the strikezone on a semi consistent basis. If you continue to rush him then enjoy your relief pitcher.
Pads Fans
Are you really going to double down on that lie?
Pads Fans
Grisham without any power.
rickoppelt
Any team that’s “not” interested in Sal Frelick is nuts. If he’s available, the mariners better start talks. Starting with woo. That’s a good match given the similar controllable years of each player and the mariners abundance of young pitching paired with Milwaukee’s plethora of outfielders.
Gwynning
I think Woo straight up is an overpay, so maybe a little balancing and you got a deal working out? MKE and SEA do seem like a good match on paper.
Seamaholic
That’s a massive overvalue of Frelick.
Simbosargos
It really isn’t though.
Seamaholic
To each his own. But it really is. He’s in a physical and production category (polished, older prospect with a very small frame, little HR pop, and massive OBP numbers with speed) that tends strongly to decline once it arrives in the majors. The Luis Arraez’s of the world are really rare, and he’s a lot bigger and stronger than Sal.
Simbosargos
They’re basically the same size. Not that that means much of anything because it doesn’t.
Seamaholic
Of course it does. Both guys have essentially no HR power unless they load up and swing for the fences because they know what’s coming. To be an impactful major league hitter with that profile is incredibly hard. It requires off-the-charts bat to ball skills and an ability to direct the ball into holes like you see a few times a generation (including Arraez). Hell, even Arraez, who flirted with hitting 400 most of the season, only had a 132 wRC+, about the same as JP Crawford.
The problem is pitchers don’t fear you, so you stop walking. Minor league pitchers aren’t as reliable as strike throwers, so you can still work walks if you’re patient. But Frelick will have to earn his way on base every time, and with no power that makes it ridiculously hard to be impactful. Still a good player because of his glove and position, but there’s almost no chance of him being a star.
Simbosargos
I’ve read your thoughts. I disagree.
I’m not even a huge Frelick guy. He’s like my 4th favorite Brewer OF prospect.
If he doesn’t have an OBP above say .320, he’s still a plus defender and plus baserunner.
But if he does hit, he’s a 5 WAR guy for peanuts.
He’s extremely valuable.
FanDan
Frelick woundbe a better choice than Duran. At least he can play some defense. Still not a stellar option. Depends on what goes the other way. No one in the Padres top 6.
MLB Casino
Keep your top 6. The last padres acquired by the Brewers in a trade stunk, the Brewers dont want your failed under achieving prospects
Simm
Worked out pretty well acquiring a Ruiz
they were able to flip for Contreras.
mustache101
You didn’t know that was going to happen…. I tell brewers fans the same thing different trades they don’t intertwine if Padres knew that was going to happen they wouldn’t have made the first trade to begin with that’s a poor opinion
Longtimecoming
I’d wait a few months for Marsee or Zavala before o traded away much for this guy.
CrikesAlready
What a fine mess the Padres FO has left us in.
Shields, Kemp, that first baseman that sucked, that pothead outfielder, the Manny threatened opt-out…
Longtimecoming
Crikes – oh yes, let’s pine away for the days of yore wher everything was fruits and berries in the good OL’ days of the Padres before AJ came along and wrecked everything and tore down the house blah blah blah.
los_leebos
Does Chris Denorfia deserve a multi-year extension?
Gwynning
Xavier Nady raised his hand ✋
Old York
Who? Never heard of him.
drewm
This guy
mlb.com/brewers/video/joel-payamps-in-play-out-s-t…
Old York
@drewm
What’s so special about catching a fly ball?
drewm
It was a memorable play, I thought you’d recognize it. He’s made a number of great plays already, he’s a fast, smart, fearless outfielder.
llokokokok
Defensive outfielders that aren’t doing much on offense are not memorable. That’s why we traded a far superior defensive outfielder as a throw-in in the Soto trade.
Jeremy320
Padres traded Grisham because he is making $5.5m and the team is broke.
Old York
@Jeremy320
If the billionaire owner of an MLB team can’t pay $5.5M, clearly, he’s bankrupt.
Brew88
The Pads aren’t broke and $5.5M isn’t much at all. The Padres traded Grish because the Yanks requested he be included in the trade conditionally. He hit .185 over last 1100 ABs, I get why Pads fans became impatient. But if he can return to .240 15-20 HRs, it’s a steal for Yankees.
Pads Fans
You have to wonder why when the Dodgers, Yankees and Red Sox dipped under the CBT threshold that it was a genius move but when the Padres do it they are “broke”.
DonOsbourne
If the Padres pass, I would gladly take Frelich on the Cardinals. I don’t know if Milwaukee would make a deal with a division rival, but we have players that could help balance both rosters.
Seamaholic
The Cards have like 8 outfielders. What the frick?
DonOsbourne
I would start him in CF against RH pitching. Perfect platoon situation with Carlson and it means Noot never has to play CF which is good for him health wise.
Mo says Tommy Edman is the CF, but I think Masyn Winn is going to need some more time at Memphis. That means Tommy is the SS.
If Alec Burleson goes to the Brewers in the trade, our OF picture gets pretty clean. And I think the Brewers would have interest in Burleson as a LH hitting compliment to Hoskins.
Seamaholic
Brewers didn’t stretch their budget to sign Hoskins to be the short side of a platoon, lol. Not to mention that he has no particular platoon splits. Brewers need an SP but especially a 3B. If you’re offering Gorman or Walker I’m sure they’d listen.
DonOsbourne
Never said anything about Hoskins being a short side platoon. I’m sure in an ideal world, the Angels would like a LH hitting CF to compliment Trout, but I doubt that makes Trout the short side of a platoon.
Hoskins is basically on a one year deal. The Brewers would probably be interested in a player with control beyond ’24.
The Brewers have Black coming up at 3B.
But never mind any of that. We’ll send over Gorman or Walker. No problem.
Jeremy320
The acquisition of Bally’s by Amazon released a $50m overdue payment from April 2023 and secured a $50m April 2024 payment. Hence, all of Milwaukee’s recent FA signings.
Platoon Advantage
The Brewers are like $15M below last years payroll. The idea that they stretched their payroll for Hoskins is hilarious.
drewm
The Cards can f*** right off.
websoulsurfer
Lin keeps reporting things that happened months ago. This was at the Winter Meetings.
Simm
Normally when you hear about preller trades it’s because it’s not happening.
Though preller said they are in active trade discussions so perhaps something will eventually pop.
It’s pretty clear they are looking for a left handed hitting center fielder. If they land one they likely leave left field open for battle this camp.
Think they then add another starter on the free agent market. That’s my best guess.
Joirgro 2
Young high ceiling pitchers or nothing. Padres seem to have a few prospects like that. Nothing else.
Pads Fans
Iriarte and Nett.
Simm
With Frelicks lack of power and Chourio as the center fielder to be I could see the brewers trading Frelick.
The question is would they take a prospect or two that is likely a year or two away from being mlb ready.
It would likely be one of the padres pitching prospects going back to the brewers. Lesko is at least a year away and prob two years. While iriarte, snelling and Thorpe maybe up at some point this year.
There is a zero chance Salas or Vries would be moved, very unlikely Merrill.
Be interesting to see who is more available Frelick or Duran.
Seamaholic
They are some much better fits if the Brewers want to trade Frelick. They need a cheap major league third baseman for one (Andruw Monasterio ain’t it). And an SP who can pitch this year. Padres have neither.
Brew88
Eguy 3B and Brito straight up
Seamaholic
I was thinking more like someone like Ryan McMahon of the Rockies, who need a lefty CF and have a stack of 3B in the minors. And of course are not planning on winning this year. McMahon is a gold glove 3B (who can also play a mean 2B) and lefty power hitter who strikes out too much, which the Brewers don’t seem to mind. Good fit.
Simm
Brew, eguy doesn’t have a lot of value right now. It will likely take more than that. My guess is eguy or Pauley along with a pitching prospect or two. Maybe the brewers would have interest in one of the padres 4 5th starter types as well. Like Avila who could help them now. We just don’t really know what the brewers are prioritizing. Is players that can help them now more important than a more talented player that can help them later.
Brew88
Eguy just a throw in, Pads need to move him so he can find playing time. U down on Brito Simm? Or I may not be as high on Frelick as some. I agree with previous assessment someone made that he’s Grish with better batting eye, but no power. They can probably do as well with Marsee without giving up a Pauley or Avila.
Simm
I think you are a little low on Frelick and a little high on Brito. Though these are all young guys so who knows how they will develop. Center field is a big hole for the padres and while Frelick may not provide much more value than Grisham. Grisham has two years left and was making 5.5m where as Frelick is dirt cheap with 6 years of control left. I also think even without the power Frelick has a better chance of being a plus offensive player. His contact skills and speed has higher upside to me than Grisham.
Frelick based off last years production would have put up a 3.6 war or close to it over a full season. That has a lot of value when he has 6 years of control. Highly unlikely Brito or eguy combine to add that much value. Anyways I could be wrong, just my opinion.
Brew’88
I’m actually not that high on Brito or Frelick, ha! But I’ll look closer at Frelick. And you’re right that Frelick’s value greatly exceeds Brito – though you say he’s dirt cheap?
WAR is nice but that alone doesn’t factor into roster construction. I don’t see a big need for low-power Frelick (or Taylor) UNLESS the Pads bring in a LF and DH with slug to compensate. I mean, Azocar gives them solid CF defense and so would Marsee or Mercado. Right now they have only 3 hitters likely to have a better than .775 OPS, which is far below league average and teams will pitch through their lineup without a lot of fear.
If the Brewers want a pitcher for 2024 in exchange, who would that be? Avila doesn’t carry enough value/interest I would think.
Pads Fans
Both have warts and are expendable. Chourio will be Brewers CF and Rafaela in Boston.
TomToms
Flip King for Frelick. Done.
Simm
The kim situation is interesting. I don’t think the padres would be asking about the QO situation after the series in Korea if they didn’t have some offers they would do.
Wonder if they get that answer back before the series starts. If it’s a no or no answer and they have a deal they like would they trade him before the Korean series. The QO situation would definitely affect his value. Would be pretty wild for him to play that series and be traded the next day.
Of course there is also talks the padres are trying to extend him. Though preller when he said that sounded an awful like how he sounded about Soto before dealing him.
Fraham_
Cronenworth for Hoskins and Frelick
Simm
As a padres fan make sure you pass that around because whatever you are smoking is too much.
OldSaltUSN
Anything is possible, but given Cronenworths’ stats last year and $80M contract, there’d have to be cash going back to the team that trades for him. That would add to the Padres AAV problems (i.e. another Hosmer type problem). Better to let Croneworth try for a better year, and see where the teams need (and Crone’s worth) stands next year.
For sure, if a team CAN offer a trade for Cronenworth that AJP could do, it’d solve a Padres problem. If it was easy, it’s have already happened, because GM’s specialize in trying to solve OTHER teams problems via win-win trades. (And I’m not claiming that Cronenworth is worthless, just depreciated, a little overpaid at present, and rightfully undervalued by the rest of the league.)
tangerinepony
Trade him. Brewers aren’t starting him anyway.
kripes-brewers
There’s a chance. They actually have Chourio listed as a RFer, along with Blake Perkins and Chris Roller. Garrett Mitchell and Joey Weimer are listed as CFers, Yelich as the LFer. Sal Frelick is listed as OFer, which suggests he’s slated as the 4th outfielder as a floater. We need a 3B pretty badly, as Vinny Capra is the only guy on the 40 man currently listed as a third baseman. The rest of the infielders that can play all over are listed as 2B (Turang, Miller, Joey Ortiz, Monasterio, Ollie Dunn. Yikes.
tangerinepony
Exactly the reason to trade him. If Arnold I’m trading him asap. He’s a floater OFer. The brewers value Mitchell more than him and they love the upside of Weimer. Frelick is just another average Joe undersized outfielder.
kripes-brewers
I can go along with that, although the contact skills and potential OBP around .400 is appealing. He made a few really impressive running catches last year. He’s a kid that turns heads on the field for sure. But the Crew has some glaring holes to fill.
Welp
So basically they just want Trent Grisham back but this time the Brewers young OF didn’t commit a season-ending error the previous year…
straightuphonestguy
I’d much prefer Frelick to Duran if given the choice. He profiles as a 3-4 win CF even with a below-average bat. Feels like David Eckstein in CF, and there’s a lot of overlooked value in defense/discipline guys.
Pads Fans
He doesn’t have the power to profile as anything more than a 2-3 WAR player.
Simm
I think he can get to be a 4-5 war player. He had 1.2 war in a third of a season. Which could be a 3.6 war over a full season. That’s with a 92 ops+. If he can get that to 110 ops+ he could be a 4-5 war guy. Most of his war coming from defense but center is a highly valued defensive position.
He reminds me of Kim a little bit where glove, speed and postion played is most of his value. Won’t hit for the power Kim does which caps his ceiling.
Worse case he is a 2-3 war player that fields, makes good contact and steals some bases. With 6 years of control that’s a very valuable player.
Brew88
Kim has power, big difference. I see Frelick as a nice piece though on a team that already has plenty of slug ( which isn’t the Pads at this point )
Pads Fans
He didn’t play CF full time after being called up and won’t be playing that position in 2024 or anytime in the future in Milwaukee. Chourio will.
Because of his complete lack of power, best case is Frelick becoming a 3-3.5 WAR player. His 55 FV as a prospect highlighted that ceiling.
Multiply his offensive numbers times 3 and factor in his 12 DRS/1200 innings in CF and last season was between a 2.3-2.4 WAR if he had played a full season in CF in Milwaukee. That mediocre ceiling and the fact that he won’t have a spot in CF is exactly why Milwaukee was shopping him at the winter meetings and that mediocre ceiling combined with their asking price is why he was not traded.
Having 6 years of control and having a ceiling of slightly above league average does have value, just not the ridiculous claims of needing Merrill or Salas in trade. Iriarte and another prospect would be a fair trade, but I am not sure that the Padres are willing to give up someone that close to the ,majors for Frelick.
Grisham was a 2.0-3.3 WAR player that fields and he had the power to run into a pitch.
straightuphonestguy
I disagree, but 3 pre-arb seasons of 2-3 CF WAR is still an incredible value. Michael A. Taylor is going to get ~$10M for similar production with a riskier bat and a steadier glove.
Simm
Straight, plus bats from the left side which helps balance the padres heavy right handed lineup. Padres I imagine don’t want to give up one of their top pitching prospects so that may make it difficult to lineup on a deal.
straightuphonestguy
Hadn’t even noticed, another plus. I don’t think there’s a move — there’s a lot of value for a young guy who is cheap and far away from FA. I’m not sure what a former top-50 prospect who hit the ground running would cost, even if his profile doesn’t get fans worked up. Prohibitively expensive, I’m sure. It’s probably best to be patient and see if there’d be a good buy-low/roster match-up opportunity.
Simm
Yeah I agree. Really tough to matchup on these young player for young player type of deals.
Pads Fans
Taylor has power as evidenced by 21 Hr last season.
straightuphonestguy
True, but awful plate discipline. Sub-.280 OBP is hard for me to swallow.
DJ62
No. That will tick off the fan base
Jswag
Snelling and Kim for Frelick and monastRio
Gwynning
Absolutely… not!
Jswag
Snelling Jacob for Mitchell and Wiemer both might work
Gwynning
You’re higher than a kite if you think that’s happening!
zeuz1
Never heard of him. Might as well though…..the Padres will win 70 games max.
Brew88
Those offers would get a sniff of a stud prospect like Snelling
Brew88
Wouldnt
estevesj
Frelick isn’t going anywhere they can interested all they want
straightuphonestguy
I agree. It’d take a huge offer to bowl Milwaukee over and I’d imagine a lot of teams would be interested in Frelick. He’ll still be plenty valuable as a depth piece even if he’s not starting.
estevesj
See I think the starting OF is Chourio in CF Yelich is LF and Frelick in RF. With Contreras, Sanchez, and Hoskins needed DH days yeli is going to have to play more of the field. That leaves Mitchell, Weimer, and Perkins as depth that’s where I think teams could pry one of them away from
The brewers but not Frelick he will be an near everyday player this year
Simm
Maybe but Frelick doesn’t profile as a right fielder. Most teams will want more power from the corner outfield positions. His value is much higher at the center field spot.
estevesj
Brewers don’t have a power bat profile to put in right so might as well take the stellar defense and onbase high contact type hitter at the top of the lineup. Could be worse
Pads Fans
That won’t be Frelick. He said so himself.
Pads Fans
4th OF are not “plenty valuable” and they teams don’t receive a “huge offer” for them.
Pads Fans
You got it backwards. Padres were not interested, the Brewers were shopping Frelick at the Winter Meetings and the Padres talked to them about him.
He has no spot on the Brewers roster in 2024 so it makes sense that they would be shopping him. The Padres need Of so it makes sense they would talk to a team that was shopping one.
Its February and Frelick is still a Brewer and the Padres have moved on to other options 3 months later, so its pretty clear that he was not at top of Padres list.
estevesj
He has no spot on the roster? He’s the starting right fielder
Simbosargos
@Pads Fans
You’re quite clueless
Pads Fans
Nah, I actually pay attention. Maybe you should try it. Frelick was told by the Brewers in the offseason that he won’t have a starting position in the OF, so he started working out at infield positions to give himself a better shot at making the roster. HE said that, not me. You can find it on the @620WTMJ Twitter feed. twitter.com/620wtmj
At the winter meetings there were many rumors flying that the Brewers were shopping him. Now we find out he is working out at infield spots in camp to try to stay on the major league roster as a utility guy,
Simbosargos
Stop. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Pads Fans
Seems like you are desperately trying to convince yourself of that when I obviously do know what I am talking about and gave you the receipts.
But whatever floats your boat.
Simbosargos
Tripling down on your nonsense.
Cite a source.
You can’t because everything you’ve said is from your imagination.
Avg. Tim
Sweet photo for Sal with his helmet flying off. Might need an adjustment on the helmet in ‘24.
I am interested in getting a limousine but unfortunately I cannot afford one. I also am not interested in Sal being a Padre as a Brew Crew fan.
bdpecore
I think a package of Cronsworth (Padres send $24-30MM over the next 6 years) and Randy Vasquez is fair value for Frelick.
Pads Fans
Stop huffing glue.
Simbosargos
That is horrid for Milwaukee.
Jbeck29
I’d rather give up Joey Wiemer, Blake Perkins or Chris Roller than Sal. The guy hits gaps and plays old school ball (SBs and great D). There are enough power hitters out there. I like him playing RF in MKE for the next 5 years.
Jeremy320
Article should note Frelick has been training with Pedroia at 2nd and 3rd this offseason.