Angels owner Arte Moreno spoke to Jeff Fletcher of The Orange County Register this week, touching on various topics. Notably, he said that he has no plans to sell the team and that the club’s payroll is going to be lower in 2024.
Moreno announced in August of 2022 that he was planning to explore a sale of the club, but another announcement in January of 2023 indicated he was no longer pursuing that path. While some fans may have hoped he would reconsider, it doesn’t seem that is in his plans.
“I am here long term,” Moreno said to Fletcher this week. “There are some people that came back and some people that knew I had it on the market (in 2022). I basically said it’s not on the market.”
Moreno did leave the door open to being blown away by a crazy offer, suggesting if an interested party offers something “really stupid” he’d have to consider. Outside that scenario, it doesn’t seem like a sale is on the table.
That leaves questions about the long-term plan of certain elements, such as the club’s home ballpark of Angel Stadium. Moreno was hoping to purchase the venue with an eye on developing the area around it into a sort of ballpark village with residential and commercial spaces. That plan seemingly died in May of 2022 when Anaheim City Council voted against it. The process was marred by controversy, with Anaheim mayor Harry Sidhu resigning amid an FBI investigation alleging that he shared insider information with the club in the hope of soliciting campaign contributions. It was just a few months later that Moreno announced he was considering selling the club.
It doesn’t seem like there’s any momentum to revisiting plans for that development project, with Moreno suggesting city officials don’t have “an appetite” for the plan. Anaheim’s current mayor, Ashleigh Aitken, also provided a statement to Fletcher:
“We’re open to looking at the future of baseball and welcome a fresh start in crafting a proposal that is good for Anaheim and our residents. I’m all ears. We know what works, and we’ve seen what didn’t. We welcome a fair proposal. As a city, we’re committed to building on decades of baseball in Anaheim for generations to come.”
With Moreno seemingly not looking to purchase the stadium at the moment, the Angels continue to lease it. That deal runs through 2029 but with three-year options that go through 2038. Moreno demurred when asked how that would play out. “Do you know where you’re going to be in 2038? Do you know how old I am? This year I’ll be 78. That’s a long time.”
Turning to the near future, Moreno addressed the 2024 club and admitted that the club’s plan is to “set the budget lower,” but without providing specifics.
The Angels were willing to spend near the competitive balance tax last year and were even over the line for a time. But as they fell out of contention, they put various veteran players on waivers in order to shed their salaries. They also put Max Stassi on the restricted list as he was away from the club due to a personal matter, which was later revealed by his wife to be the premature birth of their son, which led to various health complications for the child.
In the end, the club successfully ducked under the tax line. Some observers wondered if the club would enter a rebuild with Shohei Ohtani hitting free agency, but general manager Perry Minasian quickly shot down those ideas in November when he plainly stated that they would not rebuild and would actually be aggressive this winter.
The club has indeed been active, though whether they’ve been “aggressive” is up for debate. The Halos have mostly been focused on the bullpen, signing Robert Stephenson, Matt Moore, Luis García, Adam Cimber and José Cisnero. Despite those signings, their payroll is at $173MM and their CBT number at $188MM, per Roster Resource. That puts them almost $50MM below the tax and almost $40MM below last year’s Opening Day payroll of $212MM, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts.
If they were willing to get back to those levels again this year, they would be a viable player for a late-winter splash on one of the top remaining free agents, with Blake Snell, Jordan Montgomery, Cody Bellinger and Matt Chapman still available. But perhaps that’s less likely if the budget is going to decrease, though it’s not clear how far they intend to drop payroll. Circling back to Ohtani, Moreno confirmed a December report that the Halos were not willing to match the heavily-deferred $700MM deal that Ohtani signed with the Dodgers.
With Ohtani gone, the club is no longer obligated to run a six-man rotation, something they did to limit Ohtani’s workload while serving as a two-way player. Rhett Bollinger of MLB.com reports that the club is planning to use a traditional five-man rotation this year, with Sam Bachman and José Suarez to be stretched out.
Those two figure to be in competition for a spot at the back of the rotation. If everyone is healthy, the front four should be Reid Detmers, Griffin Canning, Patrick Sandoval and Tyler Anderson. That leaves one spot for someone like Bachman, Suarez, Chase Silseth or Zach Plesac.
Suarez, 26, seemed to be breaking out as a viable starter over 2021 and 2022. He pitched around 100 innings in each of those campaigns with his earned run average finishing just a bit below 4.00 both times. But last year was challenging, as he missed significant time due to a left shoulder strain and only tossed 33 2/3 innings with an 8.29 ERA. He’ll look to get back on track with better health this year. He’s out of options and will need to be in the bullpen if he doesn’t win a rotation job, or else be removed from the 40-man roster entirely.
Bachman, 24, was selected ninth overall in 2021 and made his MLB debut last year. He made 11 appearances out of the bullpen in the big leagues, with a 3.18 ERA in those. He landed on the injured list due to shoulder inflammation in July and wasn’t able to make it back after that.
He was a starter on his way up the minor league ladder but has yet to build up a huge workload. He pitched 75 2/3 innings in college in 2019, but then was limited to just 23 2/3 in the 2020 season. In 2021, he tossed 59 2/3 in college and then another 14 1/3 in High-A after his draft selection, getting to 74 on the year. In 2022, he was in Double-A but only logged 43 2/3 innings as back spasms and biceps inflammation slowed him down. Last year, he threw 26 1/3 frames at Double-A before adding another 17 in the minors, combining for 43 1/3.
All told, he’s yet to reach 80 innings in a season and didn’t even get to 45 in either of the past two years. It’s understandable that the club still wants to develop their first-rounder as a starter going forward, given his youth, upside and full slate of options. But it’s likely going to be a long-term project since he’ll have to take gradual steps forward in terms of increasing that workload.
HopefulTwinsFan
Angels fans’ days just got worse.
Wagner>Cobb
I’m sure Trout is thrilled right now.
Boxscore
Baseball fans are slowly discovering one of the downsides to Manfred’s diabolical schemes:
The Expanded Playoffs!
Apparently because a few more teams can get into the playoffs some owners think they can reduce payroll and roll the dice and “hope” they can get into the playoffs.
Fans are seeing this in Boston as well.
Not cool.
MortDingle
Seattle’sGM did not spend to make the playoffs. They have a plan and that would be ruined by spending to go to the playoffs…then at the start of the season they say, new plan, spend less because the local broadcast money is questionable…
does that sound familiar?
JoeBrady
some owners think they can reduce payroll and roll the dice
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And other owners are going all-in. Isn’t this as it has always been?
roob
Rolling the dice has always been Jerry Reinsdorf’s plan. I wish the Sox would get moved into a real division so they would have to do something.
What am I saying? Even in the Comedy Central Reinsdorf will be fine losing 100 games again this year.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Come on, what are you smokin’ man?
Last year two 84-win teams made the postseason, how many times did even ONE team with less than 85 wins make the postseason?
MLB is sending a horrible message by saying you can make the playoffs with just 84 wins. Do you even realize that’s only 3 wins more than a .500 team????
Skeptical
Right, because we know that spending more money on payroll is a guaranteed way of making the playoffs and winning the World Series, which is why we all enjoyed the Mets beating the Yankees last year in the World Series.
It is not how much money you spend, but how you spend the money. Last year, none of the top three payrolls made the playoffs, but two of the bottom three did.
JoeBrady
MLB is sending a horrible message by saying you can make the playoffs with just 84 wins.
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They are sending the perfect message. If teams start thinking that they will need 90+ wins, half of them will quit right now.
Further, you are also telling teams that this will be a sport where only the rich need apply. Small market teams will sit back, collect revenue-sharing, and not spend a dime.
And lastly, 14 of 32 NFL teams made the playoffs.
16 of 32 NHL teams made the playoffs.
16 of 32 NBA teams made the playoffs.
Only 12 BB teams make the playoffs.
KiKiCuyler
They all have salary caps
txtgab
Technically 20/32 of nba teams make the playoffs lol
labial
We boo the Diamondbacks, yes we do. Down, boy!
LOL good one !!!!
So I guess the ticket prices will remain the same even tho the team we will watch isnt going anywhere ? how sad
NYCityRiddler
Arte’s off his meds again, “Yea you heard me right, I’m not selling & I’m not spending anymore dough either.. & if you don’t stop your b!tchin about it maybe I’ll trade Trout too!” Ahahaha!
Blackpink in the area
Trout had the Pujols contract weighing him and the team down for a decade. Now it’s Trouts turn turn to keep the team from competing. But this time there is no young superstar to help out. Good luck Angels.
Wagner>Cobb
Trout needs to move to a LF/DH role.
carllafong
This is the least of the issues. Not adding a starter and missing a big bat is the big issue.
outinleftfield
Angels have top 5 revenue which means more than the $576 million the Braves reported they had in 2023. Trout is not weighing down anything.
Arte can afford a payroll pretty close to $300 million. He is just a greedy fargin bastage and just doesn’t care about fielding a winning team.
Wagner>Cobb
He has a better chance of playing a full season that way. Such volume would do wonders for the team.
labial
He’s been burned too many times by his big outlays. Running scared
GarryHarris
The Anthony Rendon deal for the next three years doesn’t help.
ArrestArte
Yes, it did.
towinagain
Angels = Padres
I heart you Angels fans, feels the same with the Pads.
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
But, the Padres have Petco Park!
outinleftfield
@towhead You have been day drinking a bit too much. The Padres just got finished spending $290 million on CBT payroll with a $440 million in revenue and Arte just got finished doing everything he could to dip below the CBT including jettosing every player that was not tied down by a long term contract with revenue over $576 million.
The Padres tried everything they could to win and win now and Arte simply doesn’t care about anything but filling his bank account.
There is no comparison. Lay off the bottle. Its pickled your brain.
Beff Jagwell
Condolences to Angels fans. It sucks when your owner isn’t committed to winning, and isn’t willing to sell to someone who is.
Palehosed85
I offer mine as well. Jerry Reinsdorf probably wants to be buried along with all of his money in a sarcophagus when he finally kicks the bucket. I call him “The Pharoah”.
bkbk
Its not the same. The Angels are WILDLY profitable and he IS willing to spend, just not where his baseball people tell him to.
Being an Angels fan is the worst because we have all teh things; money, fans, luck, but the owner just refuses to have good things happen.
halo2afault
We have luck? We have bad luck. If it weren’t for bad luck, we’d have no luck at all.
BlueSkies_LA
He says he is willing to sell, but only to someone stupid. Sweet.
case
Compared to teams like the Rays, A’s, Pirates, Marlins, etc… Moreno has spent a ton of money. It’s just unfortunate for Angels fans that he’s not very bright.
Oh well, here comes another season with little to no focus on improving the starting rotation, surely it will work out this time!
dh4all
That’s it in a nutshell.
Gomez Toth
Cheer up Angels fans – you still have Anthony Rendon inspiring those young players in the clubhouse to give 5% effort on every play, every at bat, every game. Leadership!
kellin
If it wasn’t true, it wouldn’t be funny… *sigh*
UncommonSense
Anthony Run-down doesn’t give 5% on a good day
Edub23
Arte, this is no bueno! Please sell the team!
I can’t go to the stadium and keep watching a AAA lineup in September as we battle the A’s for last.
YaGottaBelieveAgain
His favorite walkup I mean wake up Groundhog Day song is by the Clash. I would be cautiously optimistic if I was a SD or LAA fan. Plus there could be a last minute shot in the arm. Playoffs a realistic possibility
Maybe Arte could convince the A’s to share his stadium till Las Vegas is ready in 3/4 years. There are always construx delays. Extra Revenue.
towinagain
The facts speak for themselves my friend.
Nearly a third of the Pads roster is gone due to “budgetary constraints”.
“Dipping below the CBT” exactly what the Pads are trying to do.
AngelBum
So what can’t you understand? The man said he is not selling so asking for him to sell just sounds dumb! Suck it up buy a hot dog and a cold beer and relax and watch the game!
labial
They could share the stadium?
Los Angeles Angels & Anaheim A’s
nukeg
Arte Moreno is that perverted rich uncle that shows up to the family Christmas party. He hands out shiity gifts and nobody wants him there. But every year you’re stuck with his crusty ass.
Palehosed85
He’s like the uncle in Home Alone. Cheapskate as hell.
i like al conin
He runs a top 10 payroll every year. He’s open to criticism but I don’t think “cheapskate” is accurate.
Blackpink in the area
He’s more like the rich uncle who spends a ton of money on your Christmas present but somehow it still sucks.
i like al conin
Haha that’s funny
dh4all
He was also one of the 3 owners who was holding up negotiations during the last strike.
i like al conin
Wonder if part of this is Arte’s concern about the Bally Sports TV deal.
Shadow Banned
The Jerry jones of baseball. Thinks he knows more than he does.
Jim T.
*Year, sigh.
Johnny Bravo
My worst nightmares has come true already Arte Moreno the worst owner in the major his decided to not sell the angel franchise, running the franchise into the ground who now holes the title laughingstock of major league baseball. The clown of the American league wants to run a lower budget for 2024 l guess the clubhouse spread this year will be rice and beans. Sad to be an angel fan. One day Moreno karma will catch up to you making that shady deal with the mayor of Anaheim trying to rip off that angel land and property to prosper for your greedy self
I will not attend Angel Stadium. I officially boycott. I’ll watch the games from home. Watching him win 70 games this year from home
carllafong
Moreno is 77. How long does this guy think he has left when he says LONG TERM? And he needs to be blown away by an offer? Do you live differently on $3,5 B as opposed to $3B? This guy is not very self aware.
James Midway
*cries into morning coffee*
Wagner>Cobb
Angels fans: siiiiiiick
ArrestArte
Vomiting
Wagner>Cobb
I do feel bad for you guys.
Buzzz Killington
Are you tired of losing yet?
Buzzz Killington
Because the Angels are just getting started.
Halo11Fan
I was tired of losing when band-aides were being applied to machete wounds.
This is much easier to take.
Buzzz Killington
You can at least enjoy Ron Washington trying his best to help out. I’ll pray for you.
i like al conin
Can Washington still hit?
Tim Stewart
i like al conin- “Can Washington still hit?” STILL ???
Johnny Bravo
I think Ron Washington could have a higher batting average than Anthony Randone this year
Johnny Bravo
Perry Minasian should just resign your resignation. You have nothing to work with a rundown farm system, a penny pinching owner. Who likes to make his own decisions personally picking to sign Josh Hamilton personally handpick Albert Pujols handpick Anthony Randon Moreno doesn’t realize pitching is the name of the game there is no I in team Arte moron all he had to do was look at the blueprint of the 2002 World Series champions Angels we had a good starting rotation and bullpen seriously Arte we could train a monkey to take over as the GM of all the boneheaded move you’ve made
Halo11Fan
I assume you mean Moreno is penny pinching regarding infrastructure. He certainly isn’t on player salaries and bonuses.
And the best pick the Angels had this century was wasted the moment it happened.
And the last four years the Angels were a lockdown bullpen away from competing. Minasian has been a complete failure in that regard.
I may not like Moreno, but I like him better than Minasian. I don’t want Minasian making moves. It’s better if our next GM makes them.
HatlessPete
Homer, just curious…are you posting vaguely like Homer Simpson talks as an intentional bit or is it just an amusing coincidence?
Johnny Bravo
As soon as Mike Scioscia appeared on the Simpsons, I Homer Simpson l am an angel Arte if we could have a Krispy Kreme in the concession stand, I might attend angel games again Doh!
HatlessPete
Lol okay. What’s your stance on the bold flavors they enjoy on their hot dogs in Albuquerque homer?
Tim Stewart
Homer Simpson- Or maybe we all got mixed up about Rendon. Didn’t he bat left handed till his second year in Anahiem?
Tim Stewart
Homer Simpson – 2002 The starting pitching was not what you think of . Washburn was the clear ace of the team and it’s not like he was a top flight pitcher. That’s how they had all those come from behind wins. They got behind early.
Tim Stewart
Halo11Fan- To say that Bachman is a total wasted pick is way to early to close the book imo. I give you credit he has been hurt starting out. I think he also has not been able to show he can handle a full season starting. I think he has shone good stuff in the majors so far. Most first round pitchers would not have produced more in this amount of time. Some first rounders never make it to the big leagues. The big thing to me is under Perry they drafted and or produced enough talent with real potential to start at every position they had a hole. Drury, Ward and Trout are solid players. Rengifo has improved with the bat and will get at bats. O’ Hoppe, Schanuel ,Neto and Moniak are all young players perry had a hand in developing, O’ Hoppe and Moniak produced markedly better than the team they came from. Adell has shown improvement under perry’s watch. A number of pitchers like Soriano , Silseth, Joyce. I even like Daniel . They have some more relievers with talent but less experence. When was the last time the Angels had this many young players with this much talent. .
Angels & NL West
After years of failure, Halo still thinks Adell can make it due to his young age, yet Bachman, who is younger, was a bust the minute he was drafted.
Halo11Fan
Bachman was a bad pick at number 9. He might make it as an RP. His 91 percentile fast ball is promising. But he’s a two pitch pitcher who short arms the ball, which is prone to arm injury.
I noticed this the day Bachman was drafted. Read my comment the day we signed him. Tell me where I was wrong.
If Adell can’t control the strike zone he won’t make it. But the combination of 9o percent sprint speed and a max exit velocity of 117.2 are very rare. Drafting for the sky at number 10 is something I like.
I wouldn’t cut either one of them. Give them a chance. You can’t get much for them in a trade.
archangel57
100%
Jackalopal
I would really love to know the offers they got at the deadline for ohtani
aragon
Prospective buyers wanted Arte responsible for Skagg lawsuit and he said no. And they said the offers were pretty hefty.
User 2079935927
Source?
Rexhudler86
@jack Probably what burnes got. The Orioles were interested as well
Baseball77
I do wonder if most GMs use “aggressive” as code for “prepare for a really disappointing offseason”.
ron_karate
I’ve been an Angels fan since 1974. For better or for worse, for richer or for poorer. I’ve been at the top of the mountain and dwelled in the deepest valleys. I’ll always have 2002, but here we go again.
Help us, Joe Lacob. You’re our only hope.
James Midway
That Spiezio HR is one of my favorite baseball memories. With Scheanel, O’Hoppe, Moniak, and Neto I like the young guys there. I hope Wash can put some life into the organization.
Tim Stewart
James Midway- I think Arte’s comments don’t really change much. It just dashes some dreams of a quick change of ownership. He just said basically that he won’t spend over budget for a player unless it was a difference maker player. Right now, they are well under the tax line. They could probably still sign Snell and would probably fit this mold. I think if they do that, and with the changes in the coaching staff as well as an improved bullpen they look like they might have a decent path to a wildcard. They were so bad in areas that I think can improve this year. Of course, the amount of injuries has to be more manageable. I also think the Padres were . in for a boost this year, but they were hurt more by offseason moves this year than the Angels. The Angel lost Ohtani , but the Padres lost Snell, Hader and Soto. That hits about every sector , but still have a lot of talent on that team.
James Midway
All good points. I just hope that they can break the cycle of what seems like running around in circles.
Clofreesz
John Fisher or Arte Moreno… You have to choose one.
Gwynning
I’d take either or both over the Spanos family.
RunDMC
Both better than Rachel Phelps, the former LV showgirl that inherited the beloved Cleveland I*****s from her dead husband, hoping to move them to sunny Miami.
Canuckleball
Fisher doesn’t try at all.
Moreno tries and is willing to spend money, but he uses the same broken flawed formula every year…
He’s like a safe cracker who keeps putting in the same code and is confused why it hasn’t worked yet, but believes if he just keeps entering that same code, eventually, the safe will open.
i like al conin
You nailed it, Canuck. The same strategy to sign several marginal FAs hoping they all reach their 90th percentile ceiling at the same time. Problem too is he has to spend to keep up his investment and franchise value. Hard to rebuild doing that, so here we are every year.
Jim T.
Arte’s running a circus. John Fisher is trying his best to get his own big top. Both fanbases lose.
outinleftfield
Arte knows the code and has said what it is. Spend money only on position players because fans can come to see them every game. He won’t sign long term deals for starting pitchers because they only play once a week.
acoss13
I’ll take Arte, at least he spends money, poorly most of the time *cough Rendon. Fisher is a hot mess.
Greg Searles
Couldn’t win anything when they had the two best players in the world on the same team.
Let’s see how they do now that one is gone across town, the other is injured all the time and they lower the budget
I think we already know how this is going to go…
chrish-8
I can understand a lower budget, but we have an unbalanced team with too many outfield backups and no clear #1 starter. It may not be a rebuild, be we hit the reset button, again. Here’s to hoping for better health and continued improvement from our younger players.
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
Of course they should cut payroll they’ve been expensive and bad even with Trout and Ohtani.
HankAaronDidGreenies
Because money was clearly the problem and not an idiot who gave the money to bad players.
Halo11Fan
There is no reason for the Angels to do anything. No player is going to make a difference.
The Angels literally need to evaluate a dozen players to see if and how they fit into their plans in 2025.
They don’t know which of these players are holes. They don’t know which of these players to replace.
Oh, and their farm is rated one of the very worst in baseball.
JoeBrady
Halo11Fan
There is no reason for the Angels to do anything.
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I understand the frustration on the part of the fans, but you are 100% correct. The Angels are better off trading anyone with one or two years of control left, and start planning for the future.
They went 17-38 from August on, and lost their best player. Damaging the future so that they can move from 70 wins to 75 wins is fruitless.
carllafong
I agree to a certain degree. Either do it right or don’t do it at all. And quit hyping how we are going to compete. How? Who pitches against Framber Valdez and Verlander? Estevez is our closer and Houston has Josh Hader. Bregman vs. Rendon. Go around the diamond and see where we come out on top– we don’t. If Moreno really wanted to win he could go sign Snell and Montgomery and Ryu– All three. Silseth and Detmers are your four and five. You trade Sandoval for a need– possibly to SD for Ha-Seong Kim. You sign Martinez to DH, Or Duvall to DH and play outfield. Moreno could do this. He can afford to do this. He won’t. He made money off Ohtani– that’s why he refused to trade him. Break it down and rebuild the organization through the draft. Trade Drury and everyone else over 27 for prospects. But what he’s doing is nuts. This roster is much worse than it was last year and we won 73 games. Saying you want to compete and putting yourself in position to win are two different animals.
Halo11Fan
Who is hyping how we are going to compete?
The only way the Angels can even dream of competing is if Rendon and Trout turn back the clock five years. What are the odds of that?
Kim? Oh my God. You should sometime
Drury was a free Agent. There isn’t a lot of equity in that contract.
And you want to trade pitching?
And What good is JDM? When you have 12 players to evaluate, what good is signing a full time DH?
And paragraphs are your friend.
Halo11Fan
I meant to say you should look at a statcast page sometime. I don’t know why that sentence broke off.
Anyway, Enright came form Arizona, three of their four pitchers have good to great extension on their delivery.
The Angels 5 starting pitchers all range from bad to very very bad. Improving that could make all the difference in the world.
Ashleyr
Just pointing out the obvious, but how is signing Chapman, Snell or Montgomery going to help the Angels in the future. It is exactly the same situation the Angels found themselves paying 30 M a year for ten years and it is a repeat of Rendon, Pujols, Hamilton and the team is still paying Rendon 38M for the next three years that could have signed 2nd level pitchers on short-term contracts. Bellinger wants 10 years, snell 9 years at 270M or Montgomery that wants 8 years 240 M. How do teams committ suicide each year, they sign contracts that will handicap the team so they can’t make improvements. The Angels did that and the fans scream sign more albatross players that are 50/50 if they will ever repeat what they did in the past.
Halo11Fan
Montgomery might help them in the future. But Snell you lose a first round pick, and you can pick up a Montgomery next year.
YankeesBleacherCreature
“I am in it because I believe we can build a team to win,” Moreno said.
Win what? You’re in it waiting for someone to make you a “stupid offer” to buy your team.
Pete Rose is innocent Fry Ohtani
Artie is trash, this organization is trash, and I hope Nobody shows up to that dump of a stadium to support this year. He needs to be shown that this is unacceptable. Fans want a winner and talent on the field if they are shelling out their money. They don’t want to see the AAA team currently assembled lose 90+ games. He’s an embarrassment to the league and an insult to the long time fans.
fred-3
Worst owner in MLB history
getrealgone2
Remember Loria?
fred-3
Loria at least conned a new ballpark out of Miami. Arte can’t even do that.
Cman-infinity
Loria has a ring
kellin
Nope. Manfort and Fisher are worse. And that’s saying a lot.
math
Frank McCourt paid hundreds of thousands of dollars over multiple years to have a Russian psychic watch the game on TV and send the team positive energy. I wish I was making that up. Arte sucks and is holding the team hostage, but the worst in history?
BlueSkies_LA
If we’re going back in history Dodger fans could nominate a couple contenders for that title. In fact Dodger fans can offer their sincere sympathy to Angels fans. We know what it’s like to have our team owned by a total jerk.
outinleftfield
John Fisher entered the chat
RyanD44
People keep saying baseball is in a better spot than it’s been in a long time, yet I see more big market teams scaling back, and small market teams aren’t doing much of anything.
You have teams like the Cubs, Red Sox and Angels refusing to make significant long term commitments, and you can blame the tv deals, but I don’t think that applies to them.
1984wasntamanual
The cubs game Swanson 7 years last offseason and Devers is playing on a 10 yr contract, what are you even talking about?
1984wasntamanual
gave* …won’t let me edit post.
RyanD44
Correct, and that was the biggest contract the Cubs had given out since Heyward. For a big market team to not be in the running for big name free agents is pathetic.
Outside of Devers, who else have the Red Sox signed out of free agency? They let Betts and Bogaerts go.
KiKiCuyler
So you think giving Bellinger or Chapman over $200 million makes sense? Or 5 1/3 and dive Snell? People are holding back because the remaining “top tier” free agents have all have question marks. The % of big time free agent pitching contracts that have worked out is small.
RyanD44
Eh, more big free agent pitching contracts have worked out than big free agent hitters.
Jon Lester, Gerrit Cole (current), Max Scherzer, Kershaw, Price, Wheeler, Greinke, Verlander, Sabathia, Hamels, Felix Hernandez (half good, half bad)
Ones that haven’t worked out: Strasburg, Sale, deGrom(current), Rodon (current).
Those are all the pitchers in the top 50 biggest contracts of all time. So which contracts are you talking about?
User 2161944466
California doesn’t need all four teams. Let Oakland leave, fold the Angels, and just have SF and LAD. I mean it’s basically that anyway.
jamaicajan
Padres?
Old York
@jamaicajan
I concur; the nomenclature “Padres” has not registered within my knowledge spectrum either. Perhaps they partake in an independent league, a niche within the intricate fabric of sporting associations?
User 2161944466
They must have been before my time. I’ve never heard of them
aragon
California is world’s 6th largest ecconomy. BTW, NY needs another teem. So do Boston and Phillie. That would be better than having beggar teams in small cities that cannot support a baseball team without handouts from MLB.
spudchukar
Talk about NE bias!
aragon
Big cities I could think of on top of my head.
good vibes only
Yeah.. no.
outinleftfield
4th largest.
This one belongs to the Reds
They are going to need those Angels in the outfield.
Gwynning
Filihok is here? Run, boys!
HankAaronDidGreenies
Such as yourself defending Moreno?
radhippo
The Angels offseason just keeps getting worse!!
FullMontilla
This just became a very interesting free agent market. Boras seems to have steered his remaining unsigned clients into a very tight corner. Those high demands are likely plummeting right now with the Angels and Rangers apparently out of the running.
YankeesBleacherCreature
The only Boras client they would have interest in is Cody Bellinger. Both Snell and Monty will require 3+ years contracts which Moreno won’t do as history has shown.
Tim Stewart
FullMontilla- I don’t think this means the Angels are out on players like Snell. They are players that can be said to “make a difference”. I believe they presently sit at $70 million under the tax. That helps too.
RunDMC
He stopped short of saying “over my dead body” considering the nearing possibility.
acoss13
Nah, he’s just like Jerry Reinsdorf, they’re going to live to 100 with how life goes lol
Deleted Userr
The city wept
Cman-infinity
*burbs bawled
okbud
I bet he and John Henry go to the same golf courses
Americanentropy
If you are committed to the future, trade Trout. Give him a shot and get a return while he still has value.
beyou02215
No one is taking on that contract. The Angels would have to eat money.
Rexhudler86
@my son. He’s not going anywhere, was recently quoted saying he’s staying with the angels for better or worse.
Rexhudler86
They definitely just need to ride it out until the deadline. They can trade the expiring contracts, maybe think about trading Sandoval, Ward, canning if the price is right well and if they perform.
getrealgone2
Aaaaand the Angels have already lost for 2024.
Americanentropy
Shades of Frank McCourt?
CaAngels
Arte is making it more and more challenging to remain an Angel fan. Miss the cowboy and never thought I’d say this: I “almost” miss Disney.
Emphasis on almost.
Im a big Ron Washington fan and hoping he can work some magic.
User 2079935927
Why don’t these sport writer ask Arte why he doesn’t invest more in the farm system ? He should take on some investors so they can build a new ball park.
outinleftfield
They did. He promised for the 5th straight spring training that he would invest money in the major league spring training facility and ballpark after spring training is over. this year He has said that before. I don’t believe him.
Old York
So, based on Fangraphs WAR projections for the Angels, they look like an 80-82 team but that’s assuming everyone stays healthy, which probably won’t happen with Trout and Rendon on the team. Their pitching always seems to underperform as well, so I’d guess probably another season around 70 to 73 wins. Probably good for another 4th place victory.
Tim Stewart
Old York – Not sure the exact projections, but I think that is with the amount of games projected. Trout for example IS projected play more games than last year but not EVERY game. The team as a whole is probably projected to miss les games. If the Yankees or really any team has the rate of injuries as the 2023 Angels They will have a hard time winning. Take in mind that only 2 players (no position players), from the opening day roster escaped the injured list as well as most replacements.
Aiden Awe
Angels need a rebuild badly.
AM21
Sad news for California baseball.
taco guy
This team is directionless, run by a road apple owner. Been a fan since 76′ and it’s now extremely difficult to even remain a casual fan. Except for one player, it’s not players fault. Choosing to spend my funds elsewhere until the road apple owner sells.
mlbgeek
What a travesty.. Mike Trout deserves and deserved a team that would get him into regular contention. Just a shame!
Cman-infinity
Mike trout can leave if he rattles the cage enough
Halo11Fan
The Angels need about 12 questions answered next year. Depending on how many are answered in the affirmative, then grading Trout might be the right thing to do.
But if a lot of those question are answered affirmative, then there is reason for optimism. A lot can go right, a lot can go wrong.
erickohli
I hate my team. They aren’t a serious organization at this point. If I was Trout I would demand out. This is dumb.
JoeBrady
he plainly stated that they would not rebuild and would actually be aggressive this winter.
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Some teams need a spokesperson. You can have some employees spouting off about big spender, and others saying that they are going to reduce spending.
Setzer
Yep, they said that before Ohtani signed with the Dodgers. It was all a lie and they only said it in hopes it would help their chances to retain Ohtani. They never intended on spending any money this offseason to improve the team.
Tim Stewart
That would be Perry and he said just the other day they were still in on some of the big free agents. Arte said he would go over budget for players that can make a difference. I think the top free agents fit that bill. I think they are like 70 million under the tax and that helps too.
vtadave
“Aggressive” is Snell and Bellinger, not Moore and Stephenson.
Angels are currently, per Cots, $45 million below last year’s CBT number of $234 million. They can still sign Snell and be comfortably below last year, but sounds like that’s not happening.
Rexhudler86
@vtadave Stephenson and moore were top of the reliever market. Spending money on Bellinger and snell is repeating past mistakes, contracts that won’t age well. They actually made a lot moves so I guess that means aggressive, and did anyone expect Arte to spend and go over the first tax, because I didn’t
SupremeZeus
Arte needed to strike (new stadium/sell team) while the iron was hot when showtime was on the roster. Now he’s effed on many levels. At 78 in August, looks like he will just put it on cruise control pocket a little dough until the long sleep arrives.
spudchukar
I am starting to believe there is some GM collusion going on. Many GMs/owners have made similar comments. Some with bigger budgets usually. While not necessarily nefarious still questionable since there have been so many. Too bad, deal with it until the next CBA.
JoeBrady
I am starting to believe there is some GM collusion going on.
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A little bit.
On one hand, there have been a few large contracts. And there are legit cable issues.
OTOH, public pronouncements like the RS, Rangers, and Angels (if not others) has a collusive effect on the market, even if it might not be true collusion.
And teams spending well below their norm, without a lot of reasons, looks funny as well.
Halo11Fan
Well, if reporters are going to ask questions, teams have every right to respond. It’s better than reading about that mystery team that Boras is always talking about.
Owners and GMs have every right to answer reporters questions. That’s not collusion.
JoeBrady
It is collusion if they are coordinating their responses. Having three traditionally big spenders all announce that they are pulling bac k, means other teams know that they aren’t bidding on Monty, Snell, etc.
Setzer
If the plan was to cut payroll then they should have traded Ohtani when they had him. Instead they kept him and milked him for every last dime they could, sacrificing their farm system in the process. He’s a clown owner with an incompetent GM. This team will not see the postseason for at least the next decade. Fans should voice their displeasure with their wallet – stop going to games and stop buying merchandise. F Arte Moreno.
Tim Stewart
He said he would not spend More just to show he will spend more because the departure of Ohtani. He also said he would spend on a player that made a difference. The part about Ohtani and Arte that I hate is when spring games started in 23 and Ohtani’s agent held a press conference. He said he wanted to talks started about an extension. He hoped to work something out before opening day. He said after opening day an extension would be more difficult. When asked around Opening Day Arte stated we have not made an offer yet. I think Arte thinks waiting is good to better gauge future health and performance. He doesn’t see is that the price can go up as well.
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
Poor Angel’s fans. Can’t catch a break. I’m beginning to feel this way as a RS fan.
Cman-infinity
Rs as in Red Sox as in 3 rings in like 20 years?
Enrico Pallazzo
MLB should force him and Fisher to sell their teams. Both are an embarrassment to the sport
JoeBrady
What about teams that are far worse historically? KC, Miami, Pitt, Reds, Rox, Padres, the Mets, etc.?
Oakland has been in the playoffs a heck of a lot more than those teams.
Jabronie23
So the Angels are F’d until this guy finally croaks?
LordD99
Yes.
SadHaloFan95
I’ll keep saying this till the end of time…. Until Arte sells this team and a new owner comes in and actually completely guts the organization from the players to the front office.. this team will go nowhere. I stopped going to games 2 years ago and have slowly stopped watching. Who knows what would have happened if Pujols got that treadmill he asked for and players weren’t stopping by McDonalds for a cheeseburger before the game started. Being a Fan of this team hurts my soul
SadHaloFan95
An add on to all that… I have high hopes for Ron Washington but with Arte meddling with everything… I just do not see this magic everyone seems to think is going to happen. Same bowel movement different toilet.
Thurman8er
Honestly, the only reason I’m still an Angels fan is because I own so much merch.
The Angels will lose a huge number of fans to the Dodgers this season, making the rich even richer. I’ll watch a lot more Orioles games because they are fun to watch and competitive. But I’ve still got all these shirts.
BadNewsUnicorns
I feel you on this one. I have to stay a fan thanks to this ink on my arm. I’m from Ohio (live in Cali now) and so last year, I spent the season watching the Reds. Even though they didn’t make it to the playoffs, they were a MUCH better watch for most of the year. They at least looked like they were trying to compete and were having fun. The Angels were just boring to watch. Bad defense, bad baserunning, bad pitching, zero energy, and zero aggression. It was pretty much HR or bust.
SadHaloFan95
I’m waiting for the Arte lovers
BlueSkies_LA
They are all gathering here: ____
SadHaloFan95
I guess no stuffed crust this time around since we gotta lower the budget
LordD99
Thoughts and prayers to Angels fans.
User 2079935927
If Arte had a true Baseball President to run the team the Angels would be in better shape.
But no he hires Carpino and Kuhl his buddies from his college days and when he had his Billboard Company.
They’re both happy to have their jobs and don’t want to make waves and stand up to Arte and tell Arte we need to invest in our farm system.
Because as you can see the Angels haven’t been in the playoffs since 2014 when they were stilll bringing players up from the farm.
Once the farm system eroded because Arte ignored it , they relied on signing cast offs.
Scioscia should have been team President.
outinleftfield
Arte STILL hasn’t made any improvements to the spring training facility 4 years after he promised to do something and everyone is crammed into the minor league camp without a permanent workout room. Last year it was under a tent outside.
Triangels
I am actually good with the plan of not breaking the bank this year and going all in to try to win this year. With a full coaching staff turn over, losing Ohtani, and a lot of newer/younger players, taking a year to reset and figure out who this team is going to be seems smart. Obviously I don’t like the mixed messages from Minasian vs todays announcement. The best teams would be on the same page – owner/GM/manager all in agreement.
So I hope to see the young guys play well and with excitement and for the veteran guys to play with confidence. Then we’ll see what happens and hopefully set a good foundation for next year so Moreno is comfortable spending again.
User 2079935927
@Triangle- I think Moreno is in a holding pattern over JWA until he finds out what’s going to happen with Ballys and the TV $$$$$$
Sorry for being an Angels fan
I hate him so much
BadNewsUnicorns
I have zero issue with operating on a lower budget IF you have a good scouting program, player development staff, plan, etc. The Angels seem to have NONE of these in place. Maybe Ron’s staff will help with some of it, but the Angels have so many issues from top to bottom that I don’t see much positive in the near future. The Rays are proof you can compete, consistently, if you have a good plan in place. They may not have the rings yet, but they have been right there numerous times.
Wren
wow what a poison this guy is. first Angel fan rejoices as he finally agrees to sell the team and now this. i was rooting for you guys from LA to finally be able move past his terrible reign but he’s living up to evil mccourt type status. just brutal. genuinely feel bad for the fans of the Anaheim team.
rockpile
Maybe if you removed Los Angeles from the team name the City of Anaheim might listen to your proposals. Jackass
outinleftfield
Arte is just pocketing money at this point. The commissioner said a few weeks ago that the Angels were in the top 5 in revenue. But the Braves aren’t. The Braves reported $576 million in revenue for 2023. Arte is getting more money than they are. He can easily afford to go well over the CBT but refuses.
Talk around town here is that Arte can’t sell unless he is willing to personally take on the liability of the many lawsuits against the team including the one by Tyler Skaggs family. That one may run into the hundreds of millions and there is no way that a new ownership group is going to want to pay Arte $3 billion for the team AND take on that liability. Its not that he doesn’t want to, he can’t without losing hundreds of millions out of his own pocket and not out of the team’s coffers.
THAT is why he is cutting back payroll so far in 2024 because he wants the team to have the money to pay off a lawsuit he is pretty sure he will lose once it comes to trial in April now that the judge ruled that all evidence in the Eric Kay criminal trial is admissible and .several former Angels players and coaches testified that they were aware that Skaggs had been using opioids.
Cman-infinity
When is the #savemiketrout campaign going to begin in earnest?
Cman-infinity
Trout needs to step up and take the remainder of his career into his own hands he’s too aloof
Oldhalo
I have no issue with this. Reducing payroll is the first step towards making better decisions on high dollar commitments. It could also imply that some of that money will be used to improve other areas of the organization. Everyone jumps right to the worst case scenario around here.
jabronieramone
This guy got to go. He makes Trump look coherent.
Tmandolfan
If Arte Moreno had half a brain he would have sold 40-49% of the team to a Japanese company or billionaire then turned around and used the money not just to resign Ohtani but to build a pipeline between the Japanese league and MLB. So dumb.
Halo11Fan
Yes, because threat worked so well when the Mariners were owned by Nintendo.
AngelFan 3
I have no plans on spending $$$ on a team still owned by Arturo.
sonorawind
Would an owner say this just to APPEAR to be out of the running for one of the Boras Four, yet trying to bring the price down?
HEHEHATE
It’s okay to be the La Clippers Arte. Seriously.
halo4life69
Nothing worse for a sports franchise than an owner like Moreno. People complain about Jerry Jones, but at least he’s trying to win. Moreno could have had some pretty good teams if he would allow a general manager to do what there suppose to do instead of handcuffed them. This guys about money, look at his farm system. I was so happy when I thought he was selling team. Guys awful for baseball and sports!
dh4all
I wonder how many Angels fans have left because of Arte?
Eatdust666
The man is a total loser, I’m sorry Angels fans.