TODAY: Senga received a PRP injection in his right shoulder and won’t throw for at least three weeks, the Mets told Anthony DiComo and other reporters. This creates a rough timeline of late April/early May for Senga’s return if he returns from his shutdown period and is then able to ramp up as per usual, though things are still very fluid for a recovery plan. “We’ve got to be careful, but we’ll be flexible, as well,” Mets manager Carlos Mendoza said. “Senga knows his body well. He knows he’s going to be pretty honest, and this is the conversation I’m having with him — making sure he voices his opinion, so we will have to adjust as we get going with his throwing program.”
FEBRUARY 22: The Mets were dealt some difficult injury news on Thursday morning. New York president of baseball operations David Stearns announced that staff ace Kodai Senga was diagnosed with a moderate posterior capsule strain in his throwing shoulder (relayed by Anthony DiComo of MLB.com). Senga is being shut down until his symptoms subside. He’s out indefinitely and will open the year on the injured list.
Senga sat out the team’s workout yesterday after reporting arm fatigue. The Mets sent him for testing yesterday. That evidently revealed the shoulder strain. It subtracts the team’s best starter from the Opening Day rotation mix, although Stearns downplayed the urgency to go outside the organization for additional help (video link via the New York Post).
Senga, 31, signed a five-year, $75MM deal with the Mets last offseason after an 11-year run in Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball. The former Softbank Hawks ace outperformed even some of the more optimistic expectations for his MLB debut, pitching 166 1/3 innings of 2.98 ERA ball with a 29.1% strikeout rate and 11.1% walk rate. Senga made the NL All-Star team, finished second in NL Rookie of the Year voting and even landed seventh on the NL Cy Young ballot.
Following last summer’s trades of Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander, Senga stood as the presumptive favorite to take the ball for the Mets on Opening Day. He’d have been followed, in some order, by Jose Quintana and offseason acquisitions Adrian Houser, Sean Manaea and Luis Severino. Instead, with Senga sidelined, one of those four (Quintana, most likely) will take the ball on Opening Day, while a battle for the fifth spot among in-house options like Tylor Megill, Joey Lucchesi and Jose Butto plays out during spring training. Many Mets fans will surely hope that the Senga injuries spurs further activity on either the trade or free agent front, but that seems quite unlikely.
“I don’t thinks so,” Stearns replied when asked whether Senga’s injury increases the likelihood of adding someone from outside the organization. “We’re always going to be opportunistic and hear what’s out there, but I don’t think it really changes our thought process.”
The free agent market still features several notable names; each of Blake Snell, Jordan Montgomery, Michael Lorenzen and Mike Clevinger remains unsigned. Presumably, the agents for all of those arms will be reaching out to the Mets in the wake of an ominous injury to their top starter.
However, the team’s mindset throughout the offseason has been to avoid long-term investments ahead of what looks like a largely transitional season. (Yoshinobu Yamamoto was the lone exception to that thinking, due to the 25-year-old’s atypical youth relative to other free agents.) That aversion to long-term deals will surely rule out a run at Snell or Montgomery, barring a change of heart from owner Steve Cohen, and the Mets’ luxury-tax status might make them reluctant to spend further on back-of-the-rotation arms like Lorenzen and Clevinger. Any spending for the Mets at this point comes with a 110% tax, so they’d effectively be paying double for any rotation additions.
brooklyn62
AAARRRRGH…
Joe S
Why so upset? Mets weren’t built to win this year anyway. They were and are at best a 4th place team.
MetsSchmets
For the obvious reason of the best pitcher won’t be pitching
filihok
Shut up,Joe
JackStrawb
@Joe S Exactly. If this problem turns out to be a season-long issue it will knock three wins off the Mets 2024 projection and drop the Mets chance of making the postseason from something like 5% to 2%.
The real issue for non-delusional Mets fans is that Senga was a genuine pleasure to watch. The season loses real luster if he’s out for a long time.
There’s a weird upside to this for the Mets: Senga can opt out after 2025 if he pitches more than 400 innings in 2023-2025. If it’s a one-time problem, an issue requiring surgery and he loses most of the season, he won’t be able to opt out.
FlushtownFandom
@Joe S, @Jack Strawb … Some people actually enjoy *watching* baseball
JackStrawb
Er, that’s what I wrote.
Apparently you don’t actually read comments.
FlushtownFandom
@JackStrawb Some people actually enjoy *reading* comments in their entirety (my bad good comment)
GeronimoSon
Not opting out and not being able to opt out are two different things..
Fred McGriff HR
Filihack has told you to “shut up”, I’d mute the ‘muter’ for that, and I’d also flag the comment for his over aggressiveness and impoliteness, it seems he’s very triggered.
lemonlyman
Settle down, Crime Dog.
Mac Attack
You’re being kind
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I saw your comment and immediately thought of Charlie Brown getting hurt or being frustrated at something or by someone.
Smacky
Shouldn’t have given him the locker DeGrom used to use.
Gomez Toth
Sayonara Senga.
philliesphan77
A bit of a tasteless comment. From multiple angles.
808sAndMetsHeartbreaks
Shi like this is why I chose this name
Yankee Clipper
Haha! Great thumbnail …… I just saw Piazza brought up in a convo on here the other day – someone used him as an example of a high-testosterone LBGT sports athlete.
RoastGobot
Get me in the screencap
DanUgglasRing
All time photo
pogo
Mets and Knicks and even the Yankees have been bitten so hard by the injury bug. Damn… kind of ridiculous now. Sorry NY
Os1995
Don’t forget the Jets last year either.
ChuckyNJ
Dumb Sports Fans think one sport equals another.
LOLmets has no equal.
Fever Pitch Guy
Os – Sorry Winnipeg.
Rexhudler86
That might mean he’s out for the season. It’s the same thing woodruff has.
Idosteroids
Kyle Wright had something similar as well but ended up tearing his capsule and is out for the 24 season. He can rehab and pitch through it, but risk tearing it….like Wright did. Shoulder problems are bad news.
Rexhudler86
@idosteroids it’s bad however you look at it, hopefully he’s getting pumped full of stem cells. The surgery is about 12-16 months to recover from. If he sits out 4 months and tears it he’s looking at close to 2 years til he pitches again. I wonder if they can do a internal brace on it like the ucl, or Achilles.
Idosteroids
That is essentially the timeline for Wright. I’d be curious as well about the brace. Shoulder joint might be too complex for that. This type of injury seems just as bad or worse than tommy john nowadays with how far the medical advancement of TJS has been.
Rexhudler86
@idosteroids yeah people were bringing it up with woodruff that the successful rate with the surgery isn’t very high when it comes to pitchers. Atleast with tommy John you can have two and be fine. It just comes down to the million dollar question do you rest him, and hope it heals or have him pitch and tear it to start the recovery process.
Lars MacDonald
Strain equals Tear
808sAndMetsHeartbreaks
Severino/Quintana/Manaea/Megill/Peterson. This is definitely one of the rotations of all time.
808sAndMetsHeartbreaks
Forgot about Houser but i feel like that proves my point
Trotski
And Peterson is out until the ASB probably with hip surgery. Gotta sign Monty or at least one of Clevinger or Lorenzen.
Chris from NJ
Wow. This really sucks. Last season might have taken it out of him. He is slightly built. Now missing on Yamamoto hurts even more. I’m really hoping they don’t make a stupid move and give Snell top dollar. I’m ok with Montgomery just not at his price tag. If Monty would take 5/100 that’s where I’d max out. But I’m sure if that was his price he’d be signed by now. Cy Young or not Snell is not a 30 aav player. Neither is Monty for that matter.
808sAndMetsHeartbreaks
Stearns said they don’t plan to pivot to a free agent. So we’re stuck with this, but that’s probably better than committing to Snell or Montgomery until they’re 37+.
Rsox
That doesn’t mean anything. They could sign Jake Odorizzi to a minor league deal and it wouldn’t be a “pivot to a free agent”.
VonPurpleHayes
They should have went with a bigger rotation last year. Verlander and Senga were used to pitching on extra rest. I can’t say this is the reason for Senga’s injury. Sometimes injuries just happen. I hope he comes back soon. Senga is a fun pitcher to watch.
ChuckyNJ
And if Verlander pitches 140 innings for Houston this year his 2025 option vests — with NYM on the hook for half of it. That half comes out to $17.5M.
DeadMetFan
Have mercy….it never stops
King Floch
…and there it is.
nando390
Cohen curse.
MetsSchmets
Ikr, the Mets were the healthiest team ever before 2020…../
Ma4170
This one really hurts… the one player they couldn’t really afford to lose
Orlando Silva
We need to sign Trevor Bauer
DanzigInTheDark
lol no
MetsSchmets
Get ready for 1000 comments like this every day
B-rocker
And get Harvey Weinstein to manage
getrealgone2
The curse continues
Old York
The posterior capsular usually associated with a forward falling injury and catching the weight on one arm.
– Where did he fall?
DanzigInTheDark
you can’t compare how Joe Average would suffer this injury versus how a guy pushing the limits of the human body suffered it
Old York
@DanzigInTheDark
I’m giving you the information on how posterior capsular usually occur. So, my question remains…
geofft
@Old York His point is that your question is moot. We’re not talking about how this injury “usually” occurs because we’re talking about someone doing something extremely unusual.
padam
@geo – it’s possible his arm hurt while pitching because he fell prior to pitching in spring training.
Os1995
Where are you getting that info? If you look up capsule injuries in shoulder it says that these injuries are common with throwing athletes due to repeated stress on the posterior capsules.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
He probably didn’t fall. He probably hurt it throwing a ball as hard as he can, over and over and over and over again, ever since he was a child.
Unclemike1525
Well, That’s not good.
los_leebos
Mets now the favorite to sign a Boras FA pitcher?
getrealgone2
Seems like that’d be a knee jerk reaction.
los_leebos
Correct. Hence, the question.
getrealgone2
Well there’s your answer.
los_leebos
normally yes, but it’s the Mets…
KingKen
Seems like a dumb move to sign a free agent pitcher for 6+ years because you have a sudden 1 year hole in your rotation. That’s what Boras has been selling his big 4 on to this point, that some team will wind up with a need and do something stupid. We’ll see if that happens, but Stearns has already said they don’t plan to do that.
los_leebos
right, i’m not suggesting it’s a smart move, I’m wondering aloud if the Mets have too much money and not enough organizational restraint to avoid such a knee-jerk move.
KingKen
I think Cohen was humbled a bit last year and is past the “let’s throw money around and buy a championship” mindset. Reality reared up and showed him it’s not that easy in MLB. That should give him pause here and allow the seasoned baseball people the chance to weigh in and influence the decision making process.
geofft
The Mets may have too much money. That doesn’t mean it is available for spending. They’re not giving out multi-year contracts because they want to keep open the option of trying to get under the CBT cap in 2025, and thus stop incurring those non-financial penalties that lower their draft picks, band reduce their international pool money.
1984wasntamanual
I think signing any of those guys is dumb, but I’d also be hesitant to say this will only be a 1 year hole.
Citizen1
Several injured starters. Go ahead.
JackStrawb
Why would you do that and waste the heart of a FA signing (assuming you mean a _good_ Boras FA pitcher), where 60% of the value of a 5-year FA deal comes in the first two seasons.
The Mets aren’t remotely likely to make the postseason in 2024-2025, so why ‘load up’ now in order to win 79 games instead of 76, and burden yourself with yet another old player on an expensive deal for 2026-2028?
los_leebos
The suggestion was not an appeal to logic, quite the opposite in fact. Are the Mets able to show restraint with the money they have, combined with a likely aggressive push from Boras directly to ownership? I like Stearns, but he might be the voice of reason that gets drowned out.
JackStrawb
@los_leebos It’s certainly possible, given Cohen’s history of late lunges after star players.
Still, if it happens it’ll be primarily for show, not for building a perennial contender beginning in 2026—and it’ll be a very unfortunate data point towards the conclusion that Stearns has far from complete control over the roster. Given Cohen’s history of roster malpractice and dismal team building, that would be bad news indeed.
In that regard I’ll be interested to see what they do with Alonso. A serious GM/PBoPs doesn’t go near him for something like 7/200m. A team owner fearing bad publicity definitely will. TBD.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
They’re gonna draft the guy in June and then develop him for 2028.
MrMet86
There’s no reason to go out there and get a Blake Snell or Montgomery.
Wagner>Cobb
There is a very real chance they finish last in the division.
getrealgone2
Nah the Nationals are still pretty bad,
Wagner>Cobb
Agreed. Not saying it’s likely, but it’s a lot likelier than it was an hour ago.
MetsSchmets
MrMet86 one major reason is with luxury tax they’d cost like double
JackStrawb
True. There was actually some reason to do that if Senga was healthy, but assuming this is a serious health issue for him all you’re doing is getting the Mets’ projection back to where it was two days ago.
Why spend $150m+ just to be below average and keep your shot at the postseason at around 5% instead of 2%?
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Yeah there is, and it’s that both Snell and Montgomery aren’t enough to drag the Mets out of 4th place. Phillies and Braves are both much better, and the Marlins are decent enough that they could get lucky again.
Tom the ray fan
Senga, ya dead?
MetsSchmets
Ya mon
findingnimmo
Quick google search says could take 2 years for full (near full) motion and strength. Could be career jeopardizing.
Either way, opt out gets removed now for him since he likely won’t hit the inning requirement for it. Hope it ends up positive where he is healthy next year when they go for it and they have him for another two years after next year!
Oddball Hererra
Mets already in mid season form
Rexhudler86
@findingnimmo it’s 12-16 months for recovery, but it’s bad news because it’s not tore, so if they wait 4-5 months to see how it is. It could be pushing two years. Ucl would’ve been better news unfortunately.
Robrock30
Lol Mets $ 300 MM Payroll and no SP
What a mess
Robrock30
So the rotation now is:
1. Quintana
2. Severino
3. Manea
4. Houser
5. Megill / Luchessi / Butto
Just pray for Rain Lol Lol Lol
findingnimmo
Maybe Scott turns heads and gets a fifth spot chance to open season somehow
geofft
Not happening. As a converted reliever, Scott only reached 87 IP last year, so will likely be capped at 12 this season. They’re not going to add him now knowing that they will be forced to spend an option in August, and then another next spring for a guy who, BTW, only has 2 months in AA and might not even be ticketed for AAA to open the season.
EasternLeagueVeteran
More probable that Vasil, rather than Scott, with a good spring camp would prove to be the next man up after Megill/Butto/Lucchesi.
JackStrawb
@Findingnimmo As someone noted elsewhere, Stearns is fond of stalling on minor leaguers, preserving options, and waiting until they’re polished to bring them up.
Maybe that changes on a rich team, but it’s been his habit. If the Mets aren’t going anywhere this year, why burn a year of control? I’d like to see him up and going against MLB hitting after his brilliant, deGrom-like half season at AAA, but I’d wager ELV’s right and it doesn’t happen in 2024.
dalejr
Sounds like an MILB rotation
Robrock30
The Met bullpen is just as bad. Oh my!
JackStrawb
@Robrock30 Have to admit that, while I’ll miss watching Senga’s marvelous pitching, I won’t mind seeing more of Lucchesi and Butto (especially in lieu of Megill, should that come to pass).
Both seem to struggle constantly, always one pitch away from letting one reach the seats, but they’re gamers, they keep at it, and last year they got results.
I’m not happy Peterson got hurt, but I’m glad I won’t have to watch him suffer and muddle and suddenly groove one for no apparent reason. Well, that’s what happens when you’re always short a starter and push MIRPs like Peterson and Megill to do what they so obviously cannot.
Robrock30
JackStrawb,
Nice to see you brother. The Mets need to sign Montgomery or Snell pronto. They can’t match up vs. other Team’s aces or #2’s with the collection of pitchers they have. I was impressed with Butto at the end of last year but not a large sample size. Megill looks good for a bit but then crashes and gives up alot of homers. Luchessi looks good but isn’t durable. Severino how many innings can you expect? This rotation needed one of Montgomery or Snell prior to Senga going down. Now Mets are desperate and have always been pitching rich.
JackStrawb
That would make it a more enjoyable season, but it won’t happen. I see the path Stearns is on, and adding a 30 year old star now only causes problems (he believes) in 2025 and after.
I blame the 2023 punt.
brooklyn62
Luchessi looked great in the games he pitched in the last 2 months. The only FA pitcher that I would take a flyer on at this point would be Lorentzen just as a stop-gap for a 1 or 2 year deal on the cheap.
JackStrawb
I think it needs to be a 1 year deal just in case the young guys turn it around and a couple of the current minor leaguers look ready to take full time roles in the OF, with a couple more showing number 3 and 4 stuff on the mound.
Then they can squeak under the $243m threshold in 2025 but still add a couple of stars for the 2025 season and take a shot at the wildcard=–whereas if they have Lorentzen on the second of a two-year deal, that precludes signing one of those stars since they’re that close to the threshold
RunDMC
And a $100M closer…
Robrock30
Can’t make this stuff up Lol.
Mets now are the Wilpons with $ but the same incompetence.
MetsSchmets
How is an injury incompetence?
SoCalBrave
The incompetence part is being in a position where 1 injury can hurt your team this much.
MetsSchmets
It’s incompetent to be in a rebuild?
JackStrawb
The incompetence part was selling off your team at the Deadline just as it was rounding into form, and getting in return guys like Acuna who promptly collapsed, and in his case is currently rated a 40+FV prospect, ie someone who might, might make it as a bench player.
Even the scrubbed Mets went 25-26 over their last 51 games in 2023, and that was without their number 1 and 3 starters, two starting OFers, their closer, another competent bullpen guy, and odds and ends, but they waved the white flag setting up 2024 roster where, despite adding $130m to payroll ($60m in salary, $70m in penalties) they failed to add even one competent regular and put them in a position where just one 3-WAR player going down cuts their win expectancy from 79 wins to 76.
Call it the Cohen Incompetence Carryover.
brooklyn62
@JackStrawb, as a fellow long suffering Mets fan, I have come to appreciate your insights. The Mets needlessly blew up the team at the Deadline when had they just stayed the course, they had a legitimate shot at a WC.
I have been foolishly optimistic that they could go to the WC this year,and shrugged off your prediction of a 79 win season. Losing Senga is a dagger in an already precariously hopeful rotation. With this, 79 wins is looking optimistic.
Robrock30
JackStrawb & Brooklyn62,
Nice seeing you two long time as I have lost interest in the Mets who are punting 2024 with no real plan to compete.
Max was telling it like it was at the trading deadline.
They still have many Wilpon holdovers runnning the show even David Stearns worked under the Wilpons back in the day. Can’t make this stuff up.
mlb.com/mets/team/front-office
Take a look at the Met front office and you can easily see where the problems are. Should be easy to spot the elephant in the room. Lol
JackStrawb
@brooklyn62 Likewise, compadre. I enjoy your work here.
Fwiw, my projection for the Mets was carefully arrived at, with independent projections for all player including the ones who take wins OFF the board (those players cost the Mets over 9 wins in 2023, and some are returning). Those players figure to cost the Mets roughly 6 wins in 2024–Stearns rates to do a good job getting non-contributors off the field quickly, and he has the money at the margins to find respectable substitutes.
Still, it’s hardly impossible for a 79 win team to add 6 wins, say, and make the postseason. All it would take is decent years from Baty and Vientos, and Alvarez hitting for six months like he did the first two in ’23. That’s what I was hoping for as a fan, but losing Senga not only means losing an ace and losing the guy who can carry you through the postseason, if anyone can, but it means putting more below average pitchers on the mound throughout 2024, if the rumors of a lost season for him are true.
JackStrawb
@Robrock30 Hey, my friend. How’ve you been?
I’m guardedly optimistic Stearns will get this turned around in a few years. He doesn’t have to be brilliant, only above average at his job. That and being able to run the highest payroll in the majors year after year should get it done. He’ll have to be very good at all facets, though, to run with the Braves and Dodgers—that I’m less confident about, and in Cohen he’s dealing with a team owner who may be pushing him in directions that aren’t conducive to maximum success.
Cleaning out the minors and putting in the right people will be key. The organization taught a position to NONE of Baty, Vientos, Mauricio, and JD Davis. Acuna comes to the Mets and immediately crashes and burns. They put a huge emphasis on teaching Amed Rosario to take a walk, he took 6 BB in 3 games, and they promptly forgot all about it. Some of those people are still here, too,. It really seems like something’s badly off in the minors. We’ll see if Stearns can fix it.
Ma4170
Losing Senga gutted me as a fan, especially since he’s not just productive, but its fun to watch him pitch.
I feel im in the minority, but I’ve advocated all offseason to sign montgomery if they can get him at 5 years. I feel he’ll age well and stay at a solid number 3 level, which they’ll need 2-3 years out, not just now. And if it ended up at $25-27M annually, i bet that wont look like much for a 3 in a couple of years. Just my two cents
LordD99
It was a nice MLB career.
thickiedon
Earlier, there was discussion of an Eric Lauer/David Stearns reunion. This absolutely should happen now
Wagner>Cobb
They are firmly a 4th place team this year if they don’t sign Montgomery or Snell. They may even finish behind Washington if the Nationals young players break out.
Dirkdiggler2398
Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if marlins finish last they won a ton of 1 run games last year there SP and BP took a step back and there line up is weak
Wagner>Cobb
They do not have a weak lineup. Arraez, Anderson, Jazz, Burger, Bell, Sanchez, and De La Cruz can all hit. If guys are healthy and Anderson bounces back (not a crazy expectation) then they have a deeper lineup than NY. Their main issue, go figure, is the rotation.
CaseyAbell
The Marlins had a 94 team OPS+ in 2023. I don’t know if that qualifies as “weak,” but it ain’t all that good. Subtracting Soler won’t help.
Wagner>Cobb
A lot of that had to do with Gurriel, Wendle, Segura, Cooper, Stallings, and Garcia taking regular at bats.
Anderson > Wendle
Bell > Gurriel
Burger > Segura
Losing Soler definitely hurts (if they weren’t saddled with Garcia’s deal, they probably could’ve kept Soler) but getting full seasons from Anderson, Bell, and Burger should help a lot. De La Cruz and Sanchez should both be slightly above average. Arraez should still be excellent. Imagine if Jazz actually plays 130 games too. I see the makings of a surprisingly effective offense.
CaseyAbell
Lots of “should” in there. I’d be surprised if the Fish get to a 100+ team OPS this year. It’s possible but I think 97-98 is probably the upside for them. Of course, players could always take steps back and the OPS+ could actually worsen.
Wagner>Cobb
Every team has a lot of “should” though.
RunDMC
Not a massive upgrade, but:
Bethancourt/Fortes in ’24 > Fortes/Stallings in ’23
geofft
@Wagner>Cobb So?? What difference does 4th place or a weak 3rd place make? They’re not a championship contender this year. Just follow the steps towards building the foundation. Trade vets for prospects, see how the younger players develop so you can more accurately identify what you really need moving forward, and save the money for the free agents who are legitimate difference-makers in ’25 & ’26.
Wagner>Cobb
Depends on what the team’s goals are, but if you’re trying to make the playoffs this year (I believe Stearns said he expects them to be playing in October? Maybe I’m wrong though) then 3rd place still puts you at probably competing for a wild card slot.
geofft
The press cherry picks the quotes in a way that distorts Stearns’ real and entire message. Watch the interviews for yourself. He has said he believes this team can surprise. But he’s also said repeatedly (and unreportedly) that the goal is to have a team that can contend continually. He wants to contend this year, but not at the expense of future sustainable competitiveness.
Going back to 2016, it would’ve taken 86 to 89 wins in five of the seven non-COVID seasons. Even with Senga this wasn’t an 86-win team, regardless of what place they finish. And even if the make the playoffs, they don’t have the rotation to go anywhere.
This year is simply a moot point, IMO.
JackStrawb
@Wagner>Cobb If you haven’t noticed, GMs and PBoPs feed fans a lot of nonsense.
That’s like believing what your last car salesman told you, tbb.
Wagner>Cobb
I don’t get why it wouldn’t make sense to sign Montgomery. They obviously need a top half starter, and since Cohen is loaded, its not like signing him now would preclude them from having a big offseason next year, as is rumored. If anything, it seems like having Monty would give them a puncher’s chance this year and a cushion next year.
KingKen
Mostly because they’re already past the last CBT limit and any added contract dollars cost more than double the list price. If the signing is the difference to put them over the top as division favorites it might be worth the expense. To simply avoid last place but still likely miss the playoffs it isn’t.
LOL good one !!!!
bringing in Monty is a good move – one less guy you have to look for next yr — and isnt Cohen loaded – whats the problem with spending $$$$ when you have it like he does — afterall you cant take it with you
filihok
LOLGO
“whats the problem with spending $$$$ when you have it like he does — afterall you cant take it with you”
Many people who have nothing in their lives except money have to delude themselves into thinking money is more valuable than it ism. It’s they think anything else, they realize they’ve wasted their lives.
Thus, for them, wasting money is nearly a sin.
That’s why so many rich people are so stingy. Money is the only thing they have to represent their existence.
LOL good one !!!!
I know ur right – but why then buy a team – ego plays into this also – he promised to bring a WS to NY within 5 yrs so he tried to buy it and roll the dice – then do a rebuild later is my guess but …. and now he shuts down on the spending …. Mets will trade Pete and many others then Diaz this winter and will say they are doing a full rebuild …. so like I told the ticket office since the team and what the Mets plan to put out on the field is awful why havent the ticket prices come down?
filihok
LOLGO
“but why then buy a team”
Teams make a ton of money.
Ego also matters, yes.
“why havent the ticket prices come down?”
Because prices are determined by supply and demand
geofft
@Wagner>Cobb Because the rumors about next year are unfounded. They may or may not spend big next year, depending on how other things play out. IF they sign Soto and Burnes, then they keep spending to put the rest of the pieces in place. If not, and they only get one of them, then better to spend cautiously once again and get out from under the CBT.
SoCalBrave
the reasoning is twofold. First, Montgomery is way overpriced. Second, as it stands, the Mets will be able to spend up to 60M (maybe more) next year and still be able to stay under the CBT, signing Snell or Montgomery will take a big chunk of that.
JackStrawb
The Mets are committed to getting under the LT threshold in 2025. Hence $60m in one year contracts to below average players.
This offseason was all about not embarrassing Cohen again during the 2024 season. They didn’t sign a single good regular. Didn’t we notice?
Salzilla
Could be worse, but baaaaad.
Salzilla
*Meaning it’s not a tear. It still could be very bad, but possible to overcome without surgery. Let’s see how it goes.
As I said in the opener, for fantasy that severely drops him him the ranks. Folks will still grab him and IL him, but there’s risk for now.
YankeesBleacherCreature
A strain is a tear. Just not a complete tear so different wording.
Salzilla
A muscle strain is an injury that occurs when a muscle or a tendon is overstretched. It is different than a tear and definitely not as severe.
Echopark
Ugh – Dodgers fan here but also huge baseball fan. Sorry to see this – huge bummer for him, Mets and really baseball. Hopefully he has a speedy recovery and maybe even avoids surgery cause he’s a great pitcher and fun to watch pitch. The Met’s should absolutely pivot to Montgomery – and maybe even Snell. Look the cost this year will be 2x because of the 110% tax, but other than Burnes (also the Stearns connection), these guys would probably still be two of the top free agent pitchers NEXT YEAR – I am assuming Wheeler re-signs with the Phillies. And there is no guarantee Burnes is healthy next year and/or signs with the Mets – although Burnes definitely seems like a sign for the most money offered guy, and Cohen can do that. So, really, signing Snell or Montgomery makes sense because the Mets probably need one of them long-term anyway, and their price might be dropping to semi-deal point at this rate. But easy for me to say, not my money. I’d seriously consider Monty in particular.
wvsteve
I just pulled a numbered of 50 topps card of his hate to see this
jvent
Sign Bauer today, if not get Montgomery now
Hexbreaker
Far too many injuries on that team.
Medical/training staff should all be fired.
MetsSchmets
Level headed response
CaseyAbell
The Mets should change their team motto to “Money Can’t Buy Me Love.” Tough injury for one of MLB’s budding stars.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
And it begins for the Mets..
ASapsFables
Here’s hoping that Steve Cohen will now allow the Mets to sign Jordan Montgomery so I can add him and Tim Anderson to my pathetic tally in the MLBTR FA contest.
acoss13
That sucks for Mets fans, Senga is their best starter.
But with a potential DL stint, you know Boras is working the phones drumming up interest in his two pitchers to get the Mets’s front office attention.
sfes
Wasn’t this the injury that destroyed Santana?
memema7861
Santana tore the anterior capsule, not posterior
ChuckyNJ
Can’t get through spring training without another display of LOLmets.
cheapseater
It’s pretty crazy you list Clevinger as being available and not also include Bauer.
MetsSchmets
Not really. Clevinger is likely to pitch in the majors this year, Bauer is unlikely to pitch in the majors this year.
cheapseater
Why? They’re both controversial people accused of similar crimes, though Bauer’s already been cleared of one such case.
filihok
MS
“Mets are too puss to take on those personalitie”
Muted (misogyny)
Bill M
Please mute me. Be sure to give the reason because everyone is dying to know.
MetsSchmets
Filihok
pus·sy·foot
verb
act in a cautious or noncommittal way.
Muted (douchebaggery)
10centBeerNight
NYM look a borderline WC team with Senga up top. And that’s if most things break in their favor. So this is massive
padam
Mets aren’t signing anyone unless it is ridiculously cheap. Snell, Montgomery, etc. would be 2x or more what the contract calls for while the team is sitting in the top bracket of the luxury tax model.
Now may be a good time to take the medicine and move some of those players others would be interested in, such as Alonso. I’d even move Nimmo and Lindor provided those contracts are moved along with them. Would bring the Mets down on the tax chart, won’t get penalized in the draft (10 spots) and hopefully get some close to ready pitching prospects. Once the team vets through the process of which rookies are worth keeping, fill the needs with FAs going forward.
geofft
First, Lindor has full no-trade protection. Second, they are so far over the CBT that they cannot come under this year. I believe they will trade all the expiring contracts (including Alonso) at the deadline, and possibly Marte, as well. That puts them far enough under the CBT to add a big free agent (or two, depending), restock the bullpen, and stay under the CBT altogether and get a reset. Then they can go all in again on the ’26 FA market, which has a lot of FOTR pitching, and do so knowing a lot more about their prospect pool.
padam
I’m sure he’d be willing to waive that no trade if it’s the right team – just because he has it doesn’t mean he won’t be moved. He just has control over to where.
Also, which is it? Can they or can’t they get under the CBT? You said both.
geofft
Sorry about my lack of clarity on the CBT. They cannot possibly get under for 2024. So trading players now instead of at the deadline, or jut letting them go after the season will not change that.
However, once they let all of the expiring contracts go, they will be under the CBT for 2025 – far enough to add something, but not all they would need to be serious contenders.. So add a little next off season, stay under for ’25, then go all in the following off season.
JackStrawb
@geofft Exactly, with the only proviso being that the young guys would have to step up in 2024 and 2025 to warrant going all in for the 2026 season.
If no one particularly impresses, very possible since the Mets have only prospects of the type who take several years to get there—they have no one remotely resembling a Corbin Carroll, guys who hit the ground running—there may not be any real point to wasting the first year of FA deals to good players for the 2026 season.
Given the caliber of the farm (a lot of decent prospects who are either far away or will need a couple of MLB seasons to put it together), don’t be surprised if they’re not a seriious contender until 2027, particularly since their nucleus is post-prime age and will collectively decline by about 3 WAR a year.
That means they’ll need to develop a Francisco Alvarez every single year just to tread water. That’s incredibly hard to do.
Ma4170
I think I’m a little more optimistic on their prospects. Not that i disagree that there’s no one at Caroll level – theres definitely not. But i do think williams will have real impact as early as 2025, and feel mauricio and gilbert can too. I like scott, and amnot high on acuna baty vasil. Clifford and tidwell i see more as 2026-27 impact. But i could see alvarez jett mauricio gilbert being positives in 2025, meaning WRC+ 110-120 and acceptable defense.
JackStrawb
@Ma4170 Fair enough. Keep in mind I didn’t say I didn’t like the Mets’ prospects, only that they’re not the type to reach MLB and immediately become competent regulars. It will take most of them some time, hence my suggestion that 2027 is more likely to be the Mets year. Cheers,
Ma4170
@jack Yes, and we’ll need a few of them to pan out since none seem like elite impact players.
LOL good one !!!!
Problem with the Mets is they trade players get ok suspects in return and pay half the salary of players they trade away – Lindor and Marte would fall under that same thing cuz the Mets would want top suspects back which the front office doesnt seem to have the knack of pulling off – Diaz would be excellent trade bait but what could the Mets get in return or would they have to eat salary as I said to get top suspects
RunDMC
Trade Alonso now?
JackStrawb
Absolutely. If Cohen really did have stones he’d deal Lindor and Nimmo as well.
Depends on what you want as team owner, and the amount of aggravation you’re willing to tolerate.
memema7861
They should trade him at some point this season. He clearly doesn’t want to be in NY, despite the things he’s said. Just like deGrom… said the right things to the media, but he always knew he was leaving. Alonso seems to be the same.
RyanD44
….and so it begins.
This organization is something.
MetsSchmets
I hate how the Mets always posterior capsule strain!!!
Metsies
This sucks, but brings up something I’ve wonder about for a while. Why isnt the spot Lucchesi’s? Always wondered why he doesn’t get more opportunities. In his career, he has 75 GS and a 4.07/4.13 FIP and gets a K per inning. Not saying he’s a long term answer but that’s enough of a sample size to keep from casting him aside
geofft
Lucchesi had arm problems shortly after coming to the Mets. He missed most of ’21 and ’22 with TJ surgery. When he came back from TJ in late ’22, he pitched very erratically on his rehab assignment, and did not follow the normal progression. So he entered ’23 as an unknown quantity. i agree he showed well late last year and deserves more of a shot at this point.
That said, I suspect that Butto, who also showed well late last year, will get first crack, only because he is down to his last option while Lucchesi still has two (as does Megill). Butto’s just 25, so may still have a lot of unseen upside, and has almost six years before reaching free agency. Lucchesi is 30+ and less than 2 years from free agency.
Keeping Butto up and sending Lucchesi down preserves Butto’s last option (for now), and also may keep Joey L from reaching free agency until after 2026, rather than 2025.
Crash_n_burn
Trevor Bauer already tweeting about it hint hint
He already said he willing to pitch for minimum wage so why not?
THEHOUSETHATMOSEBYBUILT
Gosh.
‘really feel for you Metsies.
It’s like waking up every morning to your car freshly ‘keyed’…
~ somebody’s kicked the wrong baseball god’s dog…
stevetampa
Doesn’t change the thought process? Mets are in danger of becoming a silly organization.
johnrealtime
Even if they are going to be reactionary and sign/trade someone because of this, they would be fools to say so.
Best to say what they did and then make moves to sign/trade someone. Making your desperation known only gives those you are bargaining with leverage
Johnny utah
Muts being muts. Couldnt even make it to spring training smh
Mrski
The Mets need some credibility. They need to sign snell or Montgomery. To put this garbage on the field after signing verlander and scherzer is insane. Haven’t won since 86, you can be winners while also rebuilding
MetsSchmets
Lol
LOL good one !!!!
Well said and you are right – pieces needed to be added this yr but we heard the excuse of well next winter – thats bull – Cohen is loaded to the hilt and can spend plenty but all of a sudden he is cheap – so does he really have as much $$$ that has been said ?
Zheff F
If I had a say, I’d consider Montgomery for 6 with an opt out after 2. That gives him a chance to go back to free agency if he doesn’t like whatever direction the Mets are headed in at that point. We’ll have to pay, since we’re in a bad negotiating position right now. But I’d favor this move even if Senga wasn’t injured.
Nix Snell.
Nix Bauer, he’ll most likely never pitch in the majors again.
See the NFL and Colin Kaepernick…and all he did was kneel for the national anthem.
Birdieman2
And the injury parade has started
JackStrawb
“Pitcher Injured.”
What a surprise.
filihok
“166 1/3 innings of 2.98 ERA ball with a 29.1% strikeout rate and 11.1% walk rate”
3.63 FIP
memema7861
How did he get injured? He hasn’t thrown a pitch in months, aside from whatever work he’s done since the beginning of camp and that was only a couple of weeks ago. Maybe engaged in some non-baseball activity over the winter and got injured? Something doesn’t seem right here.
Os1995
Players have throwing programs in the offseason so it was likely an offseason throwing injury like Kyle Bradish’s. This type of injury is most commonly associated with throwing so it stands to reason this was just an unfortunate work out injury.
LOL good one !!!!
Mets wont tell us — they will lie to us thats for certain –
jmaggio76
Know we have options in minors… but I’m curious what you all feel. If we could play GM for a moment, and be reasonable… Julio Urias is available, Trevor Bauer as is Eric Lauer. Which would you grab? Relief: Aaron Loup, Ryne Stanek and I believe David Robertson is available. JD Martinez, Cody Bellinger and Matt Chapman… choosing ONE. What’s your choice for SP, RP AND BATTER? I’d be ok with Urias, Stanek and Chapman… what’s your thoughts?
LOL good one !!!!
Urias is still under going the MLB investigation I believe – so if he found not gulty then maybe he could sign later in the yr but if found guilty he would be suspended for how long who knows …. doubtful Mets dont sign anyone but scrubs to help fill in … Severino cant be trusted so thats anoher SP Mets need …
memema7861
He can kiss his 2025 opt-out goodbye.
memema7861
This also means the Mets are “stuck” with him through 2027. They need to hope he can be productive for 4 more years.
JackStrawb
Consider whether you’d sign Senga today for $4/60m (and assuming he won’t pitch in 2024).
Taijuan Walker and Jameson Taillon signed last offseason for 4/72m and 4/68m. A lot of clubs would jump at the opportunity to sign Senga for what is effectively 3/60m in 2025-2027.
memema 2
Senga’s ability to opt out only kicks in if he pitches 400 innings from 2023-2025. He pitched 166 in 2023. In the likely event that he doesn’t hit 400 innings, he can’t opt out and the Mets will have him to more years (’26 and ’27).
Jack Dawkins
Senga’s Japanese Wikipedia page mentioned shoulder problems in 2014 and again in 2019. Both times, he came back strong the following year. Let’s hope he keeps following that pattern.
JackStrawb
Great point, Jack. One other thing—prior to joining the Mets Senga had only pitched more than 150 innings once in the previous six years, and following that one year he pitched only 111 and 131 in the next two seasons. I wonder if he just has a… natural limit?
LOL good one !!!!
Except he is older now with extra mileage on his arm
Jack Dawkins
As far as I can tell, no special treatments were used for Senga’s previous rehabs. I’m sure that the Japanese teams have their own methods of dealing with shoulder problems but I doubt that they used this PRP injection therapy. If it works, he could be back sooner than later.
Tomas7
Just a shame, but feels like ground hog day. May be there is something in their drinking water. No matter whom they seem to get this happens to. I wonder how he got the strain, doing anything in the off season that injured him. I would go out and get another decent starter as we don’t know how long the revert will be. The fans deserve a competitive team paying the ticket prices they do.
icantstandyous
Meanwhile Stearns was bragging about all his wonderful depth moves. Yet options are still megill, Luchessi and Peterson. He’s really doing a bang up job.
LOL good one !!!!
a blind man could see what the Mets needed this winter – but lets face it Stearns gets his marching orders from Cohen and Cohen is doing an about face with spending
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
Dollar Tree David should go out and sign Bauer and Clevnger right now. They combined will cost less than Severino. Someone remind David that the offseason started almost 4 months ago
MLBTR needs to hire editors
As a Harvard grad, I would think Stearns wouldn’t say “I don’t thinks so.”
JackStrawb
@MLBTR needs to hire editors Someone implying, as you do in your post, that YOU are the Harvard grad might want to refrain from this kind of critique.
Just opining.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Obviously you don’t know that Stearns is a Harvard grad. Thought that was pretty common knowledge among fans.
LOL good one !!!!
Dollar Tree David – that is good !!!!!
LOL good one !!!!
What a waste of $$$ spent on Severino – 13 mil …. I guess Stearns thought that was a good pickup … too bad for us Met fans he didnt do his homework on that guy ….sad
SODOMOJO
What a bummer. Dude is a monster out there. Hope he gets back and stays healthy
acoss13
Senga is there best pitcher and he’s out a few weeks now. You know Scott Boras is working the phones now that the Mets don’t have their best pitcher to start the season.
HEHEHATE
Bauers beat everyone to the punch. Every injury his agents first one to make that phone call.
Braveslifer
Is it too early for LolMets?
cpdpoet
Nope, becuase we are in Spring Training – aka Phase I LOL.
During the season it becomes Phase II LOL and of course Phase III LOL is the off season.
Citizen1
Thoughts and prayers for a slow recovery. Wtg Mets medical evaluations staff for completely missing this on the physical exam during the free agency signing.
icantstandyous
Done for season and just like all decent Mets pitchers, will never be the same. What a mush of a franchise.
sacrifice
The Mets
mahalkita
As a realist Mets fan I think we’re focusing on 2026 to be competitive again so this is actually decent timing if he or anyone else on the team is going to miss time.
JackStrawb
The joke was, prior to this injury fangraphs had the Mets at 30% to make the postseason based on how few good teams there are in the NL, but that Stearns wasn’t bright enough to realize the Mets were one good player away from being a respectable contender so he added nothing but spare parts.
After the top tier (Braves, Dodgers), the case goes, the best teams in the NL project to 84-85 games, and there are only 3 teams like that, leaving the scrum around .500 all with a roughly equal shot as anyone else in that tier to squeak into the postseason.
Now, though… it’s possible Senga comes back in early May and is as good as he was last year, but who wants to bet on that at even money?
76 wins. Very little chance at the postseason, and no one able to go in a 3-game series given Quintana won’t be standing by the end of the year.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Never should have traded both Verlander and Scherzer. One was okay to trade but both wasn’t. Now they’re aceless. I think Mets will be 4th place behind the Marlins
iuo
As a Mets fan not very optimistic about this upcoming season. That said the Mets should’ve been the very first team to implement a 6 man rotation even before Senga was injured. None of the pitchers they have should be pitching every 5 days. Basically I see this season as a “here’s your shot show me what you got season” for the Mets prospects, rookies and 2-3 year veterans. See if Baty, Vientos, Megill, Peterson and others can improve and show they belong in the big league club or are just AAAA players.
neurogame
This is Pete Alonso’s walk year. He’s currently 29 yrs old and 2024 will be a wasted year of his prime since the. Mets don’t have the roster to be competitive. I wonder if the Mets will have to overpay him to stay given their window of competing isn’t even quite open yet?
If Alonso wants a taste of playoff baseball, I’d entertain trading him by the deadline to acquire some young talent, then sign him back in FA if he really does want to be a New York Met. Also, one needs to consider how many teams can actually afford and have a need for Pete Alonso?
JackStrawb
@neurogame The Mets are hugely unlikely to be contending in 2025, too, meaning they’re going to waste both Alonso’s age 29 season, and his first free agent season, his age 30 season.
Are they really going to pay at least 6/180m for the 5 seasons of Alonso where they might, might, be contenders—his age 31-35 seasons, and for a right-handed 1Bman who’s already 245 lbs??
neurogame
@ JackStrawb — You have to wonder which teams who will be competitive within Alonso’s prime, can actually afford him AND will have a need for him. If you look at the top 12 teams in payroll, only a small portion of them will/may have an opening at first base.
The easiest transition would be the Yankees as this is Anthony Rizzo’s walk year. The Chicago Cubs, who have just invested in Craig Counsell as manager, have given the first base job to newly acquired prospect Michael Busch. It’ll be sink or swim for him and if he’s sinks, Alonso would be a good target. The Cardinals currently have Paul Goldschmidt for this last season and if they don’t extend him, Alonso would be a star swap.
A plausible outlier is the Giants. They currently have Wilmer Flores penciled in at 1st base for 2024 and 2025. Alonso would be a huge upgrade and be the that FA star the organization has been looking to sign for the past few years.
Pete Alonso would definitely make any of the above teams playoff contenders but he would be languishing on the Mets for at another year or two if he stayed.
jvent
Just sign Bauer already, he’ll be our Ace till Senga is ready