Arbiters have ruled in favor of the Marlins in their arbitration hearing with infielder Luis Arráez, per Daniel Álvarez-Montes of El Extrabase. He’ll make a salary of $10.6MM this year as opposed to the $12MM he was seeking.
Arráez, 27 in April, is the best contact hitter in the game. Last year, he struck out in just 5.5% of his plate appearances, easily the best rate in the majors. Jeff McNeil of the Mets was second among qualified hitters at 10%. Arráez flirted with .400 for a while but ultimately finished the season with a batting average of “only” .354. Again, that was easily the best in the majors, with Atlanta’s Ronald Acuña Jr. second at .337.
The other parts of his game are a bit less impressive. He’s never been a huge power threat, with last year’s 10 home runs a new personal best. His second base defense is also questionable. Defensive Runs Saved considered him to be four better than par last year but Outs Above Average had him at a dismal -10. But thanks largely to his bat, FanGraphs considered him to be 3.4 wins above replacement on the year with Baseball Reference at 4.9.
He first qualified for arbitration going into 2022 as a Super Two player, then with the Twins. He and that club avoided arbitration by agreeing to a $2.125MM salary. He and the Twins didn’t agree to a 2023 salary prior to that year’s deadline but he was traded to the Marlins prior to the hearing. He ended up beating the Fish in that case, earning $6.1MM last year instead of the $5MM filing figure.
Going into the 2023-24 offseason, MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projected him for a $10.8MM salary this year. The club and the player’s camp filed on either side of that figure, but arbiters have to choose one figure or the other and can’t choose a middle ground number, siding with the Marlins this time. Arráez will be eligible for one more pass through arbitration for his 2025 salary, after which he’s slated to become a free agent.
Well, it was nice seeing him play a season for the Marlins.
Go against the man and you’ll lose !
Tbh the Fish offered him a pretty fair deal, and he definitely asked for more than any existing data points would justify.
Because that .354 and 5.5% k rate are not valid data points right? *rolls eyes*
An individual performance is only half of the equation in arbitration. It’s largely based on previous arb year contracts of players with similar career and platform numbers. MLBTR has a really good formula and came up with $10.8M which is closer to the teams $10.6M offer than the $12M player request. Maybe he could’ve gone for $11M, but no way was he ever getting $12M.
@Ubaldo Jimenez
Remember, hitting the ball and getting a high average doesn’t mean anything and is antiquated…according to every guy that batted last for his rec league team, who the coach had to pacify his feelings with the “walk is as good as a hit” myth that mommies wanted their kids to hear so they wouldn’t feel bad about getting their trophy for everyone that only the best players on their teams earned.
Yeah, but Arraez is a phenom. This reeks of a slap in the face against the best contact hitter of… the last 40 years.
Yeah I know. It’s pretty sad. When we see Arraez hit, we’re talking about something that only the likes of Tony Gwynn, Rod Carew, and Ichiro (in his prime) were capable of doing. Sad.
And we had one of the guys that could hit HRs while striking out a ton and not hitting for much average. Yet, he got good money from the Giants in the last couple of days.
Ask any Marlins fan who was more valuable – Arraez or Soler. It’s not even close.
Oh I’m sure. I consider myself a Soler fan too, but there’s no comparison. Arraez is a special. And yet, folks here would say he has… “asked for more than any existing data points would justify.”
I love modern baseball, but seeing that kind of stuff said about such an incredible professional hitter drive me to drink.
UJ
Who cares if he’s a “contact hitter”?
For arbitration it he had to show how good of a hitter be was.
They probably largely looked at his overall numbers. Which are good, but not great
UH
Every hitter is a professional hitter. What?
Guess you failed to read the article.
I don’t feel the need to explain my “incredible professional hitter” comment since you didn’t do me the courtesy of utilizing the quote fully. But as a person who loves baseball: Plenty of articles on this very site have used that term to describe exceptional contact hitters. Numerous replacement and sub-replacement players may be professional, but are only dubiously “hitters.”
Also – 132 WRc+ at age 26 hitting north of .350 is fuggin special. “Who cares if he’s a contact hitter” – who cares if he’s 32% better than league average? Are you serious?
Insanity on here sometimes.
@Banned, it’s almost like Soler was a free agent and his and Arraez’s pay scales aren’t even comparable til he also hits free agency….
Retired in 2001
baseball-reference.com/players/g/gwynnto01.shtml
UJ
Yeah. It’s s nebulous term that has no defined meaning
So I was asking what it means to you
To understand the point you are trying to make
That’s how reasoned discussion works. Perhaps you’re not familiar. Most people aren’t
UJ
The instantly appears to be on your part
Arrosez is a very good, maybe great (though those terms are subjective), hitter.
What matters is how good of a hitter he is. Not how he gets there. A 132 wRC+ is the same whether it’s through a bunch of singles, a bunch of walks, or a bunch of home runs.
So, yes, who cares if he’s a contact butter? What matters is how good of a hitter he is. And he’s a very good one
You can’t even spell. Troll.
UJ
Wut?
MLBTR, please do an article on arbitration so your readers will know something about it
UJ
Can’t counter the points, so you deflect
I’d rather make some typos than be as clueless as you.
Again, how a hitter gets to a 132 wRC+ isn’t as important as that they got there
Why do you think he deserves some extra credit for being a contact hitter?
Trolling. Always the trolls who take counterpoints, ignore them, and then accuse someone else of deflection when said troll keeps yammering on incoherently.
UJ
You made no counterpoint. Lol
Just regurgitated some platitudes (professional hitter) that reveal you have no real understanding of what you’re talking about – the arbitration process.
Yes, non-sluggers get jobbed. While the whole pay structure jobs every player m.
But you’re here spouting off like someone who’s so sure of someone’s legal guilt or innocence without ever seeing any evidence.
You haven’t seen any evidence, so how can you say if he was robbed or not?
You can’t.
And no, that he took the lower salary isn’t evidence. Both salaries underpay him.
None of what you said is accurate, you’re inventing your own sequence of events 🙂 run back to your bridge, troll.
@TheOtherMikeD
Ichiro came to MLB in 2001 and retired in 2019…the year Arraez made his debut.
Oh yeah, and Gwynn started in 1982 and won his first batting title in 1984, a year before Rod Carew retired.
I wonder how far this chain can go if I trace back the start of Carew’s career.
So, if the goal is to say guys like that are a thing of the past, there is a chain that says different.
I would love to see the reasoning with the hearing on this one
He made $6.1M last season. A $4.5M raise doesn’t seem unfair.
it isn’t a matter of the raise, I am curious to see how the moderator of the arbitration settled on the marlins number. They bring out all kinds of info in the hearing that we aren’t privy to
Defense was meh and low power numbers. The only thing Arraez can do is put the ball in play a bunch.
Putting the ball in play a bunch is a big deal. Something Kelenic could stand to learn something about… when he’s not busy breaking bones during tantrums
My thoughts exactly ! One of the best hitters in the league!
Sadly Arraez is no darling of current sabremetricians or the game of baseball in general. Rod Carew and Tony Gwynn today would be considered “nice players”, but not elite. Nobody appreciates that somebody has to get on base so the middle of the order can drive them in. Even at his peak Dee Gordon got dissed like nobody’s business.
The reasoning is that guys who never played the game say that hitting the ball regularly is an overrated and antiquated skill. They know because their Little League coaches told them “A walk is as good as a hit, so that’s why I’m batting you last ahead of the top of the lineup.”
Of course, they didn’t realize their coaches were just trying to not hurt their feelings so they wouldn’t feel so bad about getting the trophy for everyone that only the good players truly earned.
Arbitration loves HRs and RBIs
Hey kid, forget about getting so many hits to help your team. Just swing for the fences, don’t worry about going hitless for so many games while you strike out a ton. As long as you get a HR enough times, you’ll get paid…no matter how little true value you have given up by abandoning good hitting.
The more to come is that he is being traded?
Awe, gee he’ll just have to get by on that $10.5 m Its a hard knock life!
$10.6 million.
The cost of living is no joke in Miami
Those poor, poor billionaire owners you’re boot-licking.
Grow up.
Bonehead
Dotnet
Muted
Aw shucks, lol
What billionaire owns the Marlins? Not the principal owner…..
Re BB
“Awe, gee he’ll just have to get by on that $10.5 m Its a hard knock life!”
Google says Bruce Sherman’s net worth is $550,000,000
Google saya the median net worth of an American was $77,000 ($193,000/2.5).
The $1.4 million that Sherman saved is the equvilant of $197 for the average American.
Areaez lost out on (1.4/10.6) 13% of his salary.
The median US salary is $56,000
13% of $56,000 is $7300.
Are you sure you’re mock crying for the right person here?
Sherman lost out on the equivalent of $200
Areaez lost out on the equivalent of $7300
It’s only about $5M after taxes.
Hits almost 400 1/2
The year and loses
Must be someone didn’t recognize your clown ass
With Fish perpetually shedding $ and acquiring prospects, I wonder if they’d be interested in moving Arraez/injured Alcantara in a package deal?
Would Brooks Lee / Gabby Gonzalez/ David Festa or Marco Raya do the trick? Marlins get 2 top 100 prospects, Twins best pitching prospect, and salary relief.
If so pirates should be all over that ! Termarr johnson package w a couple pitching prospects
3768902
Try the baseball trade values calculator
It literally exists for (helping with) these types of questions
Don’t need it friend – johnson held his value even w the low ba while showcasing power. He’s an intriguing centerpiece. Partner him with solmeto and chandler – that’s more than enough to get it done
BW
Why on earth do you think we are friends? We are not
Which further puts your judgement in question.
I have no reason to believe you are better at valuing players than the BTV model is. Nor should anyone else. Including yourself
BTV value system is trash tbh, it only helps sometimes…
Eim
So, you’re also trash?
Every major,league front office also trash?
Explain your thoughts jn more detail. It should be interesting
don’t take it personal fil, i said the sites valuing system isn’t the greatest, if you can show me where i said that ANY MLB FO is trash that would be greatly appreciated, it’s nothing to be pressed abt, i just don’t care for it’s valuing systems.
Sim
“i said the sites valuing system isn’t the greatest,”
Wrong. You said it was “trash”
And you said ir was trash because “it only helps sometimes…”
So, zip ask,you, are you always correct? If not, is your opinion also trash?
Is every major league front office always correct? If not are they all trash?
If your opinion in only sometimes correct and it’s not trash, why is the BTV model trash?
Of major league front offices are only sometimes correct, why aren’t they trash?
I await your answers to these questions
best friends : D
BW
Nope
Don’t think so
Nothing about you seems like a person I would tolerate. Let alone be friends with
nobody will ever value players correct, we all are trash at valuing players. you seem to be a very pleasant individual according to your responses friend, calm down it’s not that deep, it’s not like you are a MLB GM or anything
eim
“nobody will ever value players correct, we all are trash at valuing players”
Ok. LOL
I’d be willing to bet the BTV model, though it may be trash by your definition, would easily outperform you.
You’re not my friend. I’d definitely go out of my way to avoid interacting with you.
bros pressed over a simple statement, as many of the others on here you’re acting like you know more than you actually do, im gonna mute you cause i have better things to do FRIEND. hope you have the best day 😉
Eim
Just trying to get you to think logically
It’s probably too late for that. Hard to undo years of dumb thinking
What’s the “simple statement” that I’m “pressed” over?
I disagree with the idea that the BTV model isn’t better than the average MLBTR comment at valuing players
Why would the twins ever do that? They just traded away polanco to make room for Julien at 2B. No need to add Arraez to that mix
Better question is, why would the Marlins give up on their best hitter and SP’er even if he’s OFTY.?
It’s a heck of a country when people no longer have shame to show how stupid they are with comments and suggestions on boards.
I agree, Banned. Who are these guys? Let’s get out of here, man. This board is OVER.
Thank you for confirming. This is just awesome that YOU answered.
You know it, Dogg! Us cool dudes gotta stick together.
Wins 2 batting titles but not arbitration. On a side note I thought it was odd MLB network ranked him #43 in their top 100. What does this man have to do to get some respect? He has to feel like Rodney Dangerfield.
It’s because the guy whose only major tool is to hit has never really been real valuable. The league is all about power and speed. That’s why that Lee guy from overseas the giants signed will be a bust- he profiles a lot like arraez
BW
“That’s why that Lee guy from overseas the giants signed will be a bust- he profiles a lot like arraez”
Wut?
Arraez is not a bust
Wut?
Arraez was never called a bust fili, they said they profile alot like Arraez, key word: profile, you need to read these things before you post please
The power is coming. If he continues to hit the way he has in his career, the added strength that comes with she will help him hit 10 to 15 more per season and his value will continue to grow. Whichever team who signs him to a longterm contract will benefit from having one of the greatest values in baseball history.. 350 Average, with 20 Hrs his enormous value no matter what age of baseball we are in. This eventually happened to Wade Boggs and Tony Gwynn. Gwynn could also steal bases, biggest difference.
Eim
How does profiling like Arraez, an above average hitter and solid hitter, make him likely to bust?
Trout
“350 Average, with 20 Hrs ”
I’ll take the under
@Trout, you havent watched Arraez swing much have you? He’s rarely swinging straight up through the ball. His gift is adjusting quickly and getting the barrel on the ball. That type of swing is not conducive to generating power.
fil,
because today’s game is about contact and power, if you don’t have power you’ve got to have good contact along with good fielding, you also have to know what it’s like to play at the MLB level because if you don’t adjust fast then it’s gonna be over, as me and my step dad always said, it’s usually a 1-2 year development process to get that adjustment to the MLB if you’re not a top tier prospect, and sometimes they even struggle.
Eim
Cool story?
If you thought a player profiled like Arraez, would you give up on them after 2 years?
If no, do you not think that teams are smart enough not to either?
Arraez is an equivalent to Tony Gwynn and he’s getting screwed over by the Marlins.
“Screwed over”…Can I sign up to be “screwed over” and get a 4M+ raise too?…
Guerrero Jr. asked for nearly 20 million and got it.
Arraez had a way better season than Guerrero and gets paid 10 million.
@clo
Arb is also based on the player’s previous salary. Vladdy signed for $7.9mm and earned $14.5mm last year, so he was always better positioned for a larger payday than Arraez, regardless who had the better season.
gettin fish hooked
Although I don’t necessarily see this as being screwed over, it does seem that he’s being paid less per WAR value than the average, which according to FG is $3.4MM per WAR. Holding to that value, his asking price of ~$12MM was right in line with arb increases for arb 3 players.
Cf
“Arraez is an equivalent to Tony Gwynn”
Hmm. How is he an equivalemt to Tony Gwynn?
Gwynn had a career 132 wRC+
Arraez has a career 124 wRC+
Close-ish. But not equivalent.
What am I missing?
I did not expect that outcome at all. If Guerrero Jr. won over an additional $1.8 million coming off a down year, than Arraez deserved the $1.4 million.
Hopefully this doesn’t damage the team/player relationship because the infield already needs improvement.
“I did not expect that outcome at all. If Guerrero Jr. won over an additional $1.8 million coming off a down year, than Arraez deserved the $1.4 million.”
Hey MLBTR
Maybe an article on how arbitration works is in order. Your readers obviously don’t know anything about it
This coming from the most obnoxious reader in the room. Malcontentedness is a bad look for you.
dy
I understand the basics of arbitration
That’s what’s at play here
Also, muted
In your own words, MLBTR readers don’t understand how arbitration works.
The mental gymnastics that inexplicably make it through the muting should be amusing.
You’re pathetic filihok
This may end up a wee bit ugly.
Sadly, yes it may.
As if the owners will be charging fans less
First this has very little to do with inflation. And the only reason why they would do that, was if the occupation of the stadiums starts reducing to extremely low levels, otherwise they will, most likely, just be absorbing the extra profits…
Soto is a Free Agent next year. Arraez has one more trip through Arbitration
And Soto was through agreement, not arbitration
Nice to see another win for the poor Billionaires over the greedy players.
Do the acronyms TARP, QE and PPP mean nothing to you?
Always better off settling, especially if team wins. The team may have won the battle but not the war. Seems like a lot of players get bitter after losing arbitration, and don’t re-sign with the team. Then again, the smaller market teams may already know that they can’t keep them and will eventually trade them for prospects and cheaper MLB players. So, these players are just a figure.
He’s a one dimensional player: no speed, no power, marginal defense, doesn’t draw walks. Plus he plays on a weak offensive team that suppressed his counting stats. If he had more rbi and runs scored, he might have won his arby case.
@bhambrave
#16 overall in 2023 for wRC+. of 132. For his short career since 2019, he has a career wRC+ of 124 or 24% better than the league average. I don’t know about you but I’d take someone that creates runs over someone who doesn’t.
We’re talking about arbitration, and I just mentioned arguments the team would use against him.
@bhambrave
And I just pointed out that none of that is true, based on his wRC+ data. He even has a career 1.2 dWAR and only one negative year in his rookie year for dWAR. Even Vlad Jr. won a gold glove with a -0.7 dWAR. Imagine playing terrible defense and the league still hands you the award?
It’s not his fault the team isn’t well built. Fortunately, stats like wRC+ exist to better understand the value of a player.
Rafael Palmeiro won a GG in 1999 despite only playing 28 games at 1B. A lot of flawed defenders have won GG because of their offense. I’m not arguing that he’s not valuable, I’m just talking about what the team’s likely arguments were that led to them winning the arbitration. The team would have played up the traditional stats and played down the advanced stats. You might have a problem with that, but the team did win.
@bhambrave
I didn’t know you have to draw walks when you get hits better than anyone in MLB, while rarely striking out.
It would help.
How would it help? He sees a pitch that is good, he hits it. What is he supposed to do? Take those pitches for strikes so he can increase his strikeout total on called strikeouts for the sake of getting a marginal increase of walks considering that he swings at the good pitches, not the bad ones?
JD
“Soto WAR: 5.5
Arraez WAR: 4.9
Soto definitely deserves three times as much in arbitration.”
FG DC projections for 2024
Soto 6,3 WAR
Arraez 2.3 WAR
But,,that’s not what determines arbitration salaries.
Arbitrators, as impossible as it sounds, probably know less about baseball than MTBTR commenters.
Th3y are given a bunch of tables and charts, listen to a presentation from each side and chose the more persuasive argument. Its largely based on comparable players. HR hitters have gotten paid more,than contact hitters. Soto gets compared to contact hitters, Arraez,gets compared to contact hitters. Soto gets paid more
There’s also,that Soto is in his 3rd year and Arraez in his second.
Most importantly, the arbitration system is a joke. It’s just a way to underpay players.
@filihok Soto is in his 4th arb year. He was a Super Two.
Anytime he wants to play for the Yankees I’ll grab him… arraez Soto judge 1,2,3… 3-0 after 1st inning many many times
Btyf
“arraez Soto judge 1,2,3… 3-0 after 1st inning many many times”
I’m assuming you’re saying Arraez and Soto,reach base and Judge homers. How many times do you think that is likely to happen in a season?
4
Arraez wins back to back batting titles & Miami low balls him. That’s pathetic.
Or, did he not properly value himself within the context of arbitration? His ask was well over a million above his expected arbitration contract. The arbitration panel can only pick one of two numbers.
I’m torn on this decision. On one side I feel he deserved to win his case. Being one of the best hitters in the game.
I will take a well balanced team with multiple hitters like Arraez with one or two big 25 – 40 HR hitters and some average hitters who are capable of hitting a couple of HRs a year. Over a team stacked with all HR hitters.
But it is obvious this arbitrator is favoring HR stats over batting average stats here.
I used to love watching the Cardinals back in the Whitey Herzog days where the team would just keep moving the players around the bases like a pinball machine bouncing a ball off of the bumpers.
But today MLB is hung up on hitting the HR. They’re nice when they are hit. But only hitting 1, 2, or maybe 3 a game “IF” a team is lucky to catch a good day. Gets to be boring watching players regularly swinging for the fences at every pitch thrown and striking out or rolling over a pitch to ground out.
But, on the other hand, I feel he deserved to lose his case. I feel all players are paid too much to start with today, and to ask for that much of an increase is ridiculous.
Players should be paid on what they “DID” for the team the past season or the years with the team. Not on what they expect to do in their upcoming years or what the market will pay them. What other profession sets your salary on what is your expected capabilities going 2, 5, 7, or more years down the road? Or is set on what your friends, co-workers or clients think you are worth? Only sports players get this luxury.
I understand players feel it’s a lot of hard work to be a major sports player….playing in the heat of the summer on a hot field in 90 to 100 degree days. Or traveling around the country away from your families for most of the year. I do feel for you and your families in those hardships. BUT!!! “You” chose that career for yourself. You knew what you were getting into when you wanted to be a sports player. “We” didn’t choose that career for you. If you can’t handle that lifestyle for your career as a sport player. Then don’t make being a sport player your career. Quit your crying about needing more money!!! No one deserves making multi-millions of dollars a year.
Baseball players are entertainers. Do you begrudge Dwayne Johnson getting $100M per year? Plus, a baseball player’s professional window is relatively short, and could end on any play. I have no problem with players milking as much as they can from the game.
Yes I do. I feel all entertainers who make over a million dollars make too much money and are overpaid too.
As I said, no one should feel they are valued that much to make that much money. Everyone is replaceable. Yes, even the Judge, Harper, Trout, and Ohtani. Yes these, and some other players, are exceptional, but will they all be guaranteed to be really that exceptional X amount of years into their contracts? No.
Take Ryan Howard as a prime example. Commanded a huge $125 million dollar 5 year contract extension in 2010 and then in 2011 tears his Achilles tendon and had his “playing baseball” career ended. Yes, that was sad to see and for it to happen to him. Take note, I highlighted his “playing baseball” career ended. He wasn’t maimed for life that he could not perform any other job for the rest of his life. So, was he really worth the $125 million? No. Did the injury cause him to never work another day in his life doing any type of job? To make that $125 million dollar salary an acceptable benefit for his baseball injury taking his working career doing any other type of job from him for the next 33 or more years of his life? No!
As stated, absolutely NO sports player or entertainer is worth a million dollar or more salary. Not a single one of them. You will not ever be able to work any other type of job the rest of your life.
If you love what you do for your career, you should not expect to paid a ridiculous salary for doing it. As said, if you feel you deserve it because of the hard work and hardships it cause on your body, to your family and playing on a field in 90 to 100 degree days. Then choose another career where you work in the town you live in, in an air conditioned office, and are able to come home each night to spend time with your wife and family.
But don’t cry the blues to your fans you deserve the millions of dollars contracts. NO, you don’t!
And quit crying the blues, owners are greedy and make millions of dollars too.
Would either players or owners be making a cent if there were no fans? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
So you don’t believe in free market capitalism? People are worth whatever other people are willing to pay them.
ayeah”
“As stated, absolutely NO sports player or entertainer is worth a million dollar or more salary. ”
Fans are willing to spend billions of dollars a year to MLB
Why don’t you want the players to get it?
Yes I do believe in free market capitalism. But in the sports world, the businesses (MLB and the owners) aren’t controlling the salaries. The players and their agents are controlling the salaries. Or at least in the player’s minds who keep complaining that the owners are holding back on paying them the salaries they feel they deserve. Or their market value is demanding.
And a lot of us fans are complaining players are getting paid too much, and we can’t afford to pay the cable and streaming networks to watch or the stadium ticket prices and parking fees to go to the games and the food prices to eat. Then isn’t that telling you the true market value (you the player and agent is demanding) is way above what the people are willing to pay?
There are millions of people who spend way above their means and out of control of what they can afford. Racking up their credit cards and taken out second mortgages to pay to see you play a game. Does that make it right that the exorbitant salary the players are seeking and getting is fair market value? No.
Is it right that you can live off a multi-million dollar salary for the rest of your life without ever having to work another day in the next 20-30 years of your life after your baseball career is over. While the fan, who you feel is saying you are worth that multi-million dollar salary because they are willing to pay you that salary. Even though they can’t afford it. Are living in debt, can’t afford to take their family to a game without paying in cash out of their pocket. But have to use a credit card to pay for the $500+ it costs them to take their family to a single game and will have to work years past retirement age to pay for your so-called free market capitalism salary?
Players keep crying the same stories… owners are making too much money and way more than the players are making…Fans are willing to pay us more, so pay us what we rightfully deserve by our market value.
What you all keep overlooking is what is obvious will eventually happen. The true fans who made the sport great will eventually no longer be able to afford it and the sport WILL come to an end. Because if the product out prices itself there will be no consumer (fan) who will purchase that seat ticket, parking ticket and food because they eventually won’t be able to afford the market value “you” created for yourself to go to or watch a game. GAME OVER! Everyone loses. I guarantee you the day is coming and it WILL be a sad end to sports.
ay
Learn basic economics please
Your local community college probably has a 101 level course that you can sit in on
It is NOT THE PLAYERS’ FAULT that tickets cost so much.
It’s the “fault” of the free market.
Baseball fans are willing to spend billions of dollars on baseball. Companies are willing to spend billions of dollars to advertise to those fans.
The owners are, not surorisingjy, willing to accept all of that money
If the owners don’t give it to the BB players they are going to keep it. They sure as [heck] aren’t going to just turn it down
“People will spend $100 at s gave. Let’s just charge them $29”. That ain’t happening
I, for une, would much rather see that money go to the players. The people that I watch display their amazing skills on the field. Not some hedge fund finance bros sitting in a fancy officer somewhere.
@ filihok
“Your local community college probably has a 101 level course that you can sit in on”
Yes, I am sure it does. But I don’t need the course. I am not in debt as the others and the players crying I am not getting paid enough and need more money. I am comfortable with my salary and life. Oh, and I am not making even anywhere near the minimum player salary.
“The owners are, not surorisingjy, willing to accept all of that money”
“I, for une, would much rather see that money go to the players.”
They also taught spelling in elementary school. Maybe you should go back and learn how to spell.
ateah
“On one side I feel he deserved to win his case. ”
♂️
You didn’t even hear the cases. How can you say that?
Easily, I said why I felt it. “Being one of the best hitters in the game.”
I didn’t say I was basing it on what was stated in the hearing. I was only stating “my” feelings of why I felt he could have deserved it based on seeing him hit and his stats.
My guess is the arbitrator is someone that probably never even watched a baseball game and is making their decision on what is said by each side in the hearing.
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“the arbitrator is someone that probably never even watched a baseball game and is making their decision on what is said by each side in the hearing.”.
That is, as I said, exactly what arbitration is, yes.
Yet Vlad got almost 2 mill raise when he was meh smh
They’ll either trade him at the deadline or next winter. Even though he’s at $10.6M they’ll still want to shed that salary no matter what he does on the field.
This was a bad win…a really bad win…a really bad, dumb win.
Not sure why everybody is losing their minds over this. Arraez was a great player for the Marlins last year, but arbitration doesn’t look at the previous season performance alone.
Arbitration exists to smooth team cashflows/payrolls while simultaneously allowing the player to make money more fairly tied to production. Previous 2 years of performance, and the previous year salary go into the results which is why it’s so important for players to have a great season in year 1 of arbitration. Arraez’s first year of arbitration came after 2021 where he had a slightly better than league average bat overall while playing as a utility guy. His slash line of .294/.357/.376 OPS .723 wRC+ 105 netted Arraez $2.125MM for 2022 as he avoided arbitration that year.
Teams generally don’t cave in because it influences the price they have to play for every single other player who becomes arbitration eligible.
The big difference between him and some of the best contact hitters of the past is the lack of speed. It’s still incredible that he got on base less that 40% with that batting average.
Wow. I hope Marlins fans(many of you I know there are judging by attendance)enjoy Arraez while you have him because he’s gone. They probably wouldn’t have paid him anyway. But what are the Marlins doing? First with Jazz and now Arraez I mean find some middle ground. All your doing is showing every prospective player how you reward good performance in Arraez’s case at least. They always find a way to run the team into the ground.
@Chris from NJ
I may be totally wrong, of course, but I have a feeling the Marlins’ll try to extend Arraez, offering something in the neighborhood of 5 YRS./$75M. Why? Because you don’t trade guys like him. He’s an elite, franchise-level player who’s only going to get better. You can’t replace his skillset in a trade. The Marlins can easily afford a modest deal like this – and it would definitely indicate to the fans that management is committed to building a sustainable winner in South Florida. And don’t talk to me about money. The Rays spend less than we do. They’re just smarter than everyone else. That was the reason, you understand, for overhauling the front office. We had to get rid of those clowns. They were the ones who were “running the team into the ground”.
I didn’t think they are gonna try and trade him yet. It’s such a bad optic. I’m not sure if Arraez will take a deal from Miami unless it tops every offer. From what I’ve read and it’s not much Arraez wasn’t happy about how arbitration went. That’s a real risk you take when your file and trial and they quibbled with Jazz over a 200k now Arraez. I would think he’s going to leave town as soon as he can unless they overpay. Miami can afford it but will they overpay? I doubt it. The Rays aren’t a great comparison aside from they both play on Florida. The Rays fix pitchers find hitters who produce year in year out with Bendix Miami can hope to try and build it. I just don’t understand why they couldn’t work out a 2 year deal with Arraez where they met in the middle. With the way this off-season has gone and I was a Marlin fan with my eyes on another playoff run. I’d be worried. The optics are terrible and it looks like things are being poorly ran. Just my thoughts. I hope the Marlins compete. It’s better for baseball if every team has a genuine shot at winning.
@Chris from NJ
I have an update for you. Per Christina DiNicola (Marlins MLB.com beat writer), Luis Arraez is very happy in Miami, loves the organization, and wants to remain a Marlin. He is 100% ready to sign any solid, fair and reasonable extension offer. The loss in arbitration? No big deal and no hard feelings. “That’s just business”.
Arraez is a very positive force on the team – as well as a gem of a human being. He’s first class all the way, and management knows this. This is why I believe he’ll be extended.
I just read the article you referred to and I what I read was a player who is saying all the right things. He’s not going to say there are hard feelings. You do know the nature of an arbitration hearing is a player states why he should be paid X and the team then lists all the reasons why the player isn’t worth X. It’s contentious by nature. Arraez said he’s open to an extension. He never said he’s ready to sign one. And if a “fair,solid and reasonable extension” is out there why wasn’t it mentioned?And who is it fair and reasonable to? Arraez or Miami? If they were truly looking to extend him you would think they would want to buy out his last remaining year of arbitration. Arraez has said he hasn’t been approached. It’s great that he loves Miami and he seems like a solid citizen but if he comes up big in 24 and they take him to arbitration again he’ll be as good as gone. It’s gonna take at least 5/125 to resign him and I hope Miami does manage to lock him up but what your saying is wishful thinking.
Maybe wishful thinking – hopefully not. 5 YRS /$125M? Seriously? We’ll have to wait and see. Been a Marlins fan since ’93, a true believer from the jump – so I’m well aware of how dysfunctional the franchise has appeared throughout the years.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.