The Marlins and outfielder Jazz Chisholm Jr. went to an arbitration hearing with the arbiters siding with the club, per Jon Heyman of The New York Post. The outfielder will make a salary of $2.625MM this year instead of the $2.9MM that he and his representatives were seeking.
It’s an unwelcome birthday present for Chisholm, who turns 26 years old today. He’s now played parts of four big league seasons, showcasing incredible talent but also having trouble staying on the field. He’s appeared in 302 games, hitting 53 home runs and slashing .245/.304/.452 for a wRC+ of 103. He’s also stolen 59 bases in 77 tries. His defense has been a mixed bag as he has been moved around the diamond to suit the club’s roster needs.
But health has been an ongoing issue, particularly in the past two years. A stress fracture in his back limited him to just 60 contests in 2022, while a turf toe injury to his right foot and then a left oblique strain capped him at 97 games last year.
Despite that missed time, MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projected him for a salary of $2.8MM this year, his first time qualifying for arbitration. He and the club couldn’t come to an agreement, with each filing a proposed figure just barely on each side of the projection. Arbiters can’t choose a middle ground figure and must choose one or the other, opting for the club’s number in this case.
The decision won’t have a huge impact on the Marlins in 2024, given the narrow gap between the two numbers. But it could lead to some modest savings in the next two years since Chisholm’s future arbitration raises will be calculated from a lower starting point. For Chisholm, that will give him a bit less earning power as he approaches free agency.
The Marlins still have two players with undetermined salaries for this year. Infielder Luis Arráez filed at $12MM with the Marlins at $10.6MM, while reliever Tanner Scott requested a $5.7MM salary as the team filed at $5.15MM.
Yes!!! Go team!
What a relief. I was worried that the evil money grubbing player would win and force the poor owner to sell off his one bedroom ramshackle house and live on the streets to cover costs…
Yes I’m pretty sure no one is hard up in this even with your sarcasm. I guess owners should just give players whatever they want.
My sarcastic comment was primarily directed at those misguided few who believe that driving down player salaries will allow the owners to lower ticket prices, as if player salaries in any way impact ticket prices.
It’s completely the other way around. Tickets are priced based on demand. If a team can sell a lot of tickets regularly and if they feel that will continue in the future, they raise prices.
Once they determine what their revenues are going to be for the year from tickets, merch, and tv contracts, they set their payroll budget.
The players are the reason we all watch, therefore, they have every right to fight for every penny they can get of the revenue that the league/teams generate. The owners are at little risk of losing money and they all make a major profit when they sell the team down the line.
/End of free markets rant.
That’s absolutely NOT true.
The Tigers went from 3M to 1.5M in attendance.
You think they care?
We are dealing with a monopoly that has a NONCHALANT attitude about presenting a sub par product on the field with NO FEAR of any significant reprecussions financially or socially.
They are a monopoly. They are not afraid of.the customer.
MLB has proven that beyond a doubt.
They have NO RESPECT for the fans.
And here I was more concerned about the player, as you should be. I suggest you take the Alyssa Milano route and start a Gofundme page. After all, he’s only made $5,000,000 during his career. He could probably extend for $100M pretty easily, but even then, how long does $100,000,000 last these days.
It just breaks my heart to see him struggling to put food on the table.
and here I WAS worried about those poor billionaire owners who are so hard up for cash they have to nickel and dime their employees because they’re so hard up for cash themselves.
JB
So weird to see people who are, presumably, baseball fans who seem to hate the players so much
Hate is a strong word. Not being able to relate to someone who plays baseball for a living and makes a ton of money doing so is not hate.
Sure but pretending to be able to relate to a billionaire who owns a baseball team is pretty strange.
5pb
So they relate to the billionaire Owners?
I’d think they would relate to workers getting screwed.
“Relate to workers”..Get back to us when you start caring about real working class people instead of just celebrities and celebrity athletes, you virtue signaling phonies.
So billionaires are working class people all of a sudden?
acell
Baseball players are (well-paid) working class people
That baseball fans are so ready to take ownership’s side on everything is
1) disturbing
2) not that unexpected since owners, you know, own the media and the production of education materials
filihok
So weird to see people who are, presumably, baseball fans who seem to hate the players so much
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Same with fans that hate the owners.
My own opinion is that no one should care what anyone does or has.
But even for those that have some internal motivation to hate people that they don’t know, what would the rational be for choosing to hate people that are gazillionaires or multi-gazillionaies?
Before I became rich & famous, I worked running an elevator on Park Avenue for incredibly rich people. Some were extremely sweet, and some never talked to us. Same as in real life.
I’d think they would relate to workers getting screwed.
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Even the beer costs $13-14, I always tip the lady pouring the beer, That’s because it means more to her than it does to me.
The other folks, that make more in a year, on average, than most people make in a lifetime, I don’t relate as well.
mlb fan10 hours ago
“Relate to workers”..Get back to us when you start caring about real working class people
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I root for the beer vendors.
JB
What if it’s not about hating individuals, but about recognizing the societal issues that leaf to gazillionaires.
JB
Again, what if it’s not about the specifics, but the grneralities of profiting off the skill and work of others.
but about recognizing the societal issues that leaf to gazillionaires.
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It is not an issue to me if Chisholm becomes a gazillionaire. Grouping him with the “artist” class, if you want more art, they have to be treated separately.
In addition, this is a voluntary payment. If Chisholm, or McCartney, or Tom Cruise perform a service that I willingly pay for, how is that a problem?
profiting off the skill and work of others.
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Exactly 100% of the people in this world profit off of the skills of others. When a carpenter puts in a new bathroom in my house, I profit from his skills.
When he charges me for his labor, he profits from my money.
I in turn profit from charging my employer for my skills.
JB
Uhh… Right
Tom Cruise, Paul McCartney and Jazz Chisholm are workers
So, it seems like workers would support them instead of the billionaires profiting off their work
@JB If there is a place to sign up, I will let you know how long I can make $100mil last
@Canuckleball
I love how all these annual articles exposes those who don’t know anything about the arbitration process.
Haha haha hahaha. Marlins
Why even negotiate over this. The marlins that worried over less than 300k
It’s money. The same reason players ask for more, and it affects future arb year salaries.
“Why even negotiate”..Whether to “negotiate” over this $300K is a two way street, is it not? Meaning either player OR team can just capitulate to the other and make a deal.. Incidentally, I’m running a little short this month and was wondering if you can loan me $300k?…I’m fairly sure you’ll agree with me that $300k is nothing.
Imagine running a business with that philosophy. 300k here or there doesn’t matter. I think you would be fired in any business besides the US government.
The real question is: with the $275K savings, what did the Marlins gain (freed up money to spend elsewhere) or lose (ill will to and from player)?
Arb hearings can be brutal. Not often does a team put their franchise player thru the process.
But is he actually a franchise player?
4 years in the majors and only one where he truly put up big numbers and it was a half season in ’22
At some point, with enough injuries, he might start to lose his abilities even when healthy.
Part of being a franchise player is being on the field.
“Part of being a franchise player is being on the field.” I agree. Mr. Trout, you listening? Find a way Mikey.
And I’m not sure if you guys have young kids, but Jazz was the poster boy for MLB The Show for 2023 and there was a lot of buzz around him and the Marlins. I think labeling him a franchise player is very fair. Alcantara is the ace; Jazz is the franchise hitter. Arraez is a stud, but he just got traded there…maybe in time if Jazz falters.
@nukeg
Unlike Trout, Jazz has never gone full seasons playing at an elite level. Try again.
It’s for future years, not just the 275 for now.
Don’t follow Marlins close, but he is nowhere near a franchise player based on results and so many games missed. Looks like an overhyped former prospect-which there are countless.
Clubs around mlb internally can feel ill will when players don’t live up to contract/draft signing bonuses for whatever reason…..but that is part of business. Once players are FA’s that sign for big $$, they don’t give money back when they are bad/hurt out of guilt. It is not a player (good guy) vs owner (bad guy) thing.
I’m kind of curious what your limits are? If you willing to concede because it is only $275k, how about $500k? If Miami thinks Arraez is worth $18M next year, but he asks for $20M, do you just give it to him?
Joe: how about finding a middle ground? Also why would anyone want wages to surpassed?
@Joe, fair question. But that question is for the Marlins. Are they willing to drag one of their stars through the mud for $275k? If they’re operating that close to the margins, maybe the answer is yes.
Now my response to the hypothetical “yes” would be perhaps Bruce Sherman needs to sell the team to implement an owner who does not operate on a $275k margin. $2M I can def see battling for, esp as the salary compounds, but $275k sounds like, *to me*, Bruce Sherman belongs in MiLB.
Nukeg: I agree with you to an extend but going to arbitration is a mistake no matter the amount of money being argued over. All it does it create animosity. Players are called greedy and owners are called cheap and 9 times out of 10 I’ll side with the players.
acell101 hour ago
Joe: how about finding a middle ground?
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Meeting in the middle results in at least one of the two parties exaggerating their position. When I bought my first house, I would offer a fair price, since I believe in starting 20% too low, and them starting 20% too high is a waste of time.
Inevitably, I would get the 20% too high counter-offer, which I would reject and counter with something slightly below my original offer. Meeting in the middle only works if both parties are reasonable, or both parties are delusional.
Joe: so your response to the counter offer is come back with an even lower offer? Just because you are being unreasonable doesn’t mean others won’t be and not for nothing that’s a crappy way to negotiate. I would hope that MLB owners and agents would hold themselves to a higher standard. Also more often than not smart teams doing end up at some sort of middle ground.
@acell, I agree 100%. Arb should be avoided at all costs. Normally it is. My posts are round-about ways of saying Bruce Sherman is known for being a needless tight ass and unfortunately lost talent like Jeter and Ng because of it. I’m sure right now Jazz isn’t a fan of the owner/ top brass right now either.
nukes: point taken
Just because you are being unreasonable doesn’t mean others won’t be and not for nothing that’s a crappy way to negotiate.
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I’m always reasonable. If I research property comps and think your house is worth $300k, maybe I’ll start at $285k just in case I am wrong. If you come back with $400k, I’m not going to play the “meet in the middle” game. I’ll counter with $280k, and if you want to walk away, it probably was never going to work out anyway.
I work for a multi billion dollar company and you can believe that if they can negotiate a cost savings of 300k with a vendor they are going to do it. Our customers are the companies that make up most of the Forbes 500, particularly the largest companies In that group. They always try to negotiate price down on every contract, which typically ranges from 20k to 100k for the work I do and quite a bit more for the hardware that is manufactured. Two companies I have dealt with in 30 years did not try to negotiate a discount. Solyndra of Fremont CA and RIM America of Irving Texas.
just because they can doesn’t necessarily mean they should
Did you ever buy a house, or a car, or a baseball card? Scalp tickets? In a 3rd party transaction, the will generally ask for more than they will settle for. Why should they have the money instead of me?
one could literally make the same argument and say the same thing about the owner.
I have no problem with that. Your aim is to sell your Ruth card for as much as possible. My job is to acquire it as cheap as possible. I’ve been on both sides and don’t mind losing.
If I offer you $285k for your $300k house, and you accept, good for me. If someone else steps up and offers you $290k, bad for me. It’s what capitalism is all about.
point taken
Happy birthday, Jazz!
Happy Bday Jazzy! Oh about thing you had with the club? Um no. Have a great one Bud.
lol @Marlins. They probably spent 200-300k to fight it in lawyer fees so they didn’t really save much in order to possibly upset a cornerstone player of their future.
The ripple effects are exponential in future arb years.
It’s not about the 200k now, it’s about the potential $5m savings over his arb years, depending on if/how he develops.
raisin
“The ripple effects are exponential in future arb years.
It’s not about the 200k now, it’s about the potential $5m savings over his arb years, depending on if/how he develops.”
This is true
But, if Chisholm were a free agent he might get 10 times what he’s getting paid this year
Teams are already getting HUGE savings on arbitration eligible players.
Verdict: greedy owners
But, if Chisholm were a free agent he might get 10 times what he’s getting paid this year
Teams are already getting HUGE savings on arbitration eligible players.
Verdict: greedy owners
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That’s just silly, imo. This is a contract. The owners win in the beginning, and the players win in the end. And this is actually like a lot of unions where the long-time members get more, at the expense of the newbies.
IMO, there is no greed. Players want the best deal. Owners want the best deal. And 99% of the population would do the same thing if they were in either group.
Only some players win in the end. Many players put up very solid years early in their careers that are underpaid by 10’s of millions of dollars. But if they never become superstars then they never get the mega dollar contracts later. They just get paid roughly at value later and never recover the lost earnings.
JB
“That’s just silly, imo”
Your opinion is wrong
“The owners win in the beginning, and the players win in the end. ”
As pointed out. What about all the playewho rs who don’t win in the end.
The majority of players only play like 4 years in the league. They never even get to free agency
And some players sign $100M contracts and get hurt or decline almost immediately. Often it is both. Someone like Bumgarner probably gave SF at least $100M of excess value. And then proceeded to give AZ a negative $80M+ value.
But regardless, this is the deal that both sides agreed to. And I don’t consider either side greedy for fighting for the best deal they could get. I willingly admit to doing the same.
Since this is a benchmark for future arb salaries, they’ll have saved more in the long run.
Oh, and P.S.: lol @ Joe Kerr
@raisin, good 1. Are you 10?
You could absolutely be correct in that it has its effects on future arb cases, but my point still stands. Some teams wonder why their homegrown talent wants to leave, well this is 1 of many reasons. It probably won’t even matter for them as he probably gets traded before he gets too expensive anyway.
If you have data that would suggest players are more inclined to leave in FA if they lose arb hearings, I’d happily look at it.
Thanks, bud.
I’m not your bud, guy. I don’t know why you feel entitled enough to ask others to do something for you, but I’m not your pet, so feel free to ask that kinda well known(and free) site Google. BTW Kris Bryant says hi.
IIRC, Bryant said he had no issues with the Cubs. Further, the Rox paid him about double what he was worth. So that was a win/win for the Cubs.
@Joe Kerr
Just say you’re illiterate about the arbitration process and move on.
Part time player going to be paid like a part time player. Try and play back to back seasons of at least 65 games Jizzy
I always thought Chisholm was one of the most overrated players in baseball. Gets hurt a lot and isn’t anything special when he plays. 2023 was typical. 1.2 bWAR and a lot of time missed. Apparently he overrates himself as well. That’s why he went to an arb hearing he was likely to lose.
Yeah, it’s news. But I don’t know why people get so emotional about this.
The team wins. The player loses.
The player wins. The team loses.
Who cares?
It’s all part of the CBA. If the players and owners don’t like the process, then negotiate the CBA.
Emotional like Vegas resident investor and Raiders/Red Sox/John Fisher fanatic JoeBrady?
How am I a Fisher fanatic? I don’t even know him.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Miami decides to wipe their hands clean of Jazz and move him. Especially if this becomes contentious.
I have a hard time figuring out his trade value. Has great upside but is never healthy and can’t hit lefties at all.
Kinda feels a little like a discount Byron Buxton…
Chisholm’s trade “value” is virtually non existent, unless you can find a team that likes his dance moves from “MLB The Show”.
I’d take a shot on him as a padres fan
Unwelcome birthday present? Getting to play baseball for a living and getting $2.6 million to do so doesn’t really sound like a bad birthday present to me. #firstworldproblems
“Unwelcome birthday present”..I’ll save my sympathy for disabled veterans, little old ladies and children living in poverty, not overpaid, spoiled, multi millionaire celebrity athletes.
Thank you so much for sharing.
Do you know where to find the Fox News comment section, or would it help if I gave you the hyperlink?
MLB fan: you left out the billionaire owners who saved a few bucks in your sympathy list too if that’s your take
“You left out the billionaire owners”..Wish you phonies cared about Main Street the way you “care” about celebrities and celebrity athletes.
As Walt said to Jesse in Breaking Bad: “Now let me get this straight: You just became a millionaire, and you’re complaining?”
It’s not personal Sonny, it’s strictly business.
“But I was on the cover of a Playstation game, I deserve more money”
Such an unwelcome birthday gift of a measly $2.625 million littler dollars.
rwnc
“Such an unwelcome birthday gift of a measly $2.625 million littler dollars.”
Reminder: on the open market he would make multiples of that salary.
Methinks you’d be unhappy if you were paid 1/5th of your current salary
Methinks Jazz Chisholm should be happy with the $5.06 million he’s made from baseball so far in his career, especially considering all the time he’s missed and his (at best) inconsistent performance when he plays. For a 26-year-old who is hardly at the top of his profession, that kind of money is pretty good.
CA
Again, it’s a fraction of what he’d get on the open market
If you earned a 5th of your salary, would you be happy?
I bet hundreds of millions of people around the world would
If you earned a 5th of your salary, would you be happy?
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You once again ignore the prize at the bottom of the Cracker Jack box.
If I were to do this all over again, I’d have walked into Yankee Stadium for a huge discount on my salary, just to get my start.
Or take a huge discount to work in the JPM currency trading desk.
JB
You once again ignore the prize at the bottom of the Cracker Jack box.”
I ignore ot because it’s a figment of your imagination
Getting paid your market value isn’t a prize.
Getting paid your market value isn’t a prize.
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My position is that players, as a whole, get exactly what they are supposed to get. How they chop it up between veterans getting more, and newbies getting less, is none of my concern.
But I hope you see that this is a union issue. The union could easily negotiate more for the newbies and less for the veterans. If the owners win up paying out $6B in salaries, in total, I doubt they care if the union wanted the minimum wage to be $1M in exchange for adjustments to the CBT.
Methinks I’d not have negotiated a labor agreement that would lead to me being unhappy, as alleged.
Raisins
Methinks you probab,y don’t know much about labor unions or negotiating.
I do know where the mute button is.
Good luck with whatever happened to you.
It appears the muter and mutant got muted.
Absolutely hilarious.
The older guys get more, and the younger guys get less. Is that about right?
And even if it isn’t, you got no dog in the race between the older and younger players. How they split their 50% is up to them.
shriveled grapes
If you knew anything about…well, if you knew anything, you’d know you can’t just negotiate and get whatever you want.
Again. It’s clear you know nothing about unions or negotiating.
Methinks what Methought but then Methunk thus Methinked.
Some of u people on here seem to know about stuff like this… why wouldn’t the team just give him that little bit more? He obviously is one of the faces of the team. Wouldn’t this create some bad blood between the 2? They could find this laying around the stadium. Maybe I’m wrong but him luis are the faces. On his birthday…
As others have noted, Chisolm’s ’24 sets a benchmark for the two other subsequent arb years he has remaining. For a big budget org., they’ll most likely settle for a difference in between for a popular player. I guess the Marlins don’t plan on keeping him past three more years. Some players take it personally, some see it as strictly business.
I once took a job a long time ago, and the guy that recommended me told me to be a little aggressive with the salary ask. So once we were just about finished, I told my boss that his offer was generous, but on the low end of the range. I suggested $5k more, and settled for another $2,500. It doesn’t sound like a lot, but I was there for ten years, so that was $25,000 plus whatever raises were added.
The same thing happened at my next job when my headhunter asked for another $3k on top of an already healthy salary. That ‘s how wealth is built.
In what world is a 103 WRC+ with a mixed bag of defense an “incredible talent?” That’s about the definition of an average major league baseball player.
I would say $2.6 M & a contract to play major league baseball is a pretty damn awesome birthday present, even if you really wanted $300,000 more
Rslfc
Would you say getting a fraction of your worth is awesome?
If so, let your employer know immediateky
It only makes sense for a team to go to arbitration over such a little salary difference if they don’t intend to keep the player past arb years. It can really sour a players view of the franchise come FA times.
If a player loses an arb hearing, they overshot. Unrestricted FAs pit as many suitors as they can to maximize their big deal later (often incl club they were on whether arb hearings were had or not)……as they should.
It is money/business both ways.
It can really sour a players view of the franchise come FA times.
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Are you aware of anyone that refused to re-sign with their team because they lost in arbitration?
Hes always sliding head first, just asking to get injured doing that. However, feel like the Marlins are penny pinching here, hes still a superb talent.
Baseball players shouldn’t be making more than teachers
Then tell the teachers to choose a job in MLB.
JB
“Then tell the teachers to choose a job in MLB.”
Dumb comment, of course
Teachers would still get paid less than MlB players
So? Teachers do a job for pay, just like I do. Same as doctors, nurses, lawyers, etc.
What you are suggesting is either a cap on how much entertainers make, or million dollar salaries for teachers. Both ideas are insane.
LS
By what mechanism would you like for this to happen?
A quick Google search says there are 4,000,000 teachers in the US.
Let’s say they average $50,000 a year.
That’s $200,000,000,000 total dollas
The average MLB salary in 2023 was $4.9 million.
If the average teacher earned that, it would be a total of $19,600,000,000,000
Where should that extra money come from?
Maybe you’d rather restrict MLB salaries.
In that case, you’ve lowered the average MLB salary by nearly 100 times. Why do you want the billionaire owners to make so much more money?
filihok21 hours ago
LS
Where should that extra money come from?
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That where the tire meets the road.
Just like I don’t care how BB cuts up my beer money, or whether the younger or older players should get paid more, I also don’t care if folks like LS want to pay more in property tax so that their teachers get paid more, I don’t care.
So, if LS wants to triple his property tax payment, in order to triple the teachers’ salaries, I am cool with that.
But first LS has to come up with the scratch.
That’s a shame. Jazz will never be able to afford a normal haircut now.
So he is Buxton light…he should hang in there Buxton somehow got twins to give him 100 million
Once he’s a free agent, he’s gone. Marlins not really thinking about the future here.
2 world series titles in their first 10 years of existence- unprecedented. Best venue in sports and arguably the best venue in the history of all of sports. Dont ever think a player can outwit or outclass this team.
That’s absolutely NOT true.
The Tigers went from 3M to 1.5M in attendance.
You think they care?
We are dealing with a monopoly that has a NONCHALANT attitude about presenting a sub par product on the field with NO FEAR of any significant reprecussions financially or socially.
They are a monopoly. They are not afraid of the customer.
MLB has proven that beyond a doubt.
They have NO RESPECT for the fans.
I can’t think of a single player that lost an arbitration case and then stayed with that team in FA or that signed an extension. I don’t think it’s a smart practice. Pay them the extra couple hundred thousand and save the hassle and keep the goodwill of the player.
That’s an argument in favor of drawing a hard line in arbitration. If you know the player is leaving anyway, there is no point in paying him extra.
And if the Rays plan on trading him prior to free agency, he is worth slightly more if his salary is slightly cheaper.
That whooshing sound you are hearing is the point going over your head.
When teams take players to arbitration instead of negotiating a settlement, they lose that player as soon as the player is able to leave.
Any intelligent person would see that as a reason to negotiate so you would at least have a shot at extending players you paid to develop.
He plays for the Marlins, not the Rays. Keep your eye on the ball. A couple hundred K will have exactly ZERO impact on trades.
When teams take players to arbitration instead of negotiating a settlement,
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You are assuming that the teams aren’t negotiating. Is it not possible that the team went above and beyond, but that the player was completely unreasonable?
Trade Arraez.
Too expensive!
Sherman will give you a gift card for a free small popcorn for saying it first. Arraez will win his arb hearing – he’s worth $12M.
You don’t trade a guy like Arraez. Never mind what happens at his arb hearing. The Marlins can still work out an extension w. Luis somewhere down the line. And as long as the money’s on target, all will be forgiven. As far as Jazz is concerned, he needs to stay healthy, before he turns into the next Byron Buxton. You guys are reading too much into the behind-the-scenes process. It’s just part of the game. No one is being disrespected.
Not your worst idea that the Tigers should try to trade for him Superfife. Offer Jung, Bigbie, Rogers and a good low minors pitcher. All three of those players help fill needs for Miami now or next year. Bendix looks like he is taking a year to assess like Harris did last year so I don’t see the Marlins making a lot of “win now” moves this year.
Arraez bats leadoff and plays 2B and Keith moves back to 3B (he’d be better than trotting out a mishmash of players, even with a wonky arm). Tigers go sign a placeholder to split time, bring up Dingler or make a trade for a young catcher that is blocked elsewhere (Cartaya, Parada). The Marlins had a young guy available in the Rule V draft that seems like a younger version of Jake Rogers, throw him in.
This proves that the Marlins organization are bigots. How dare they not give him every dime he asks for? Do they not realize he was placed on the cover of MLB The Show based solely upon the colour of his skin?
And that’s who they chose for the cover of The Show 23 over Aaron Judge and Paul Goldschmidt, the two MVPs at the time? A guy that can’t stay healthy and bats .245? Why?
You know why.
Corbin Burnes lost his arbitration case. Brewers had to argue in front of Burnes why he isn’t worth his asking price. Because he chokes in the playoffs. Burnes felt burned. Publicly aired his sentiments. (And then choked again in the playoffs.) He is an Oriole now. Brewers mode of operation? Save in arbitration and then sell before FA? Small (market) ball?
Probably. I’d suggest trading your best players after five years is good business for most teams.