The Mariners have acquired right-hander Gregory Santos from the White Sox in exchange for right-hander Prelander Berroa, outfielder Zach DeLoach, and their 2024 Competitive Balance Round B draft pick (#69 overall), according to Jeff Passan of ESPN. Both clubs have since announced the deals. To make room for the club’s additions on the 40-man roster, the White Sox announced that they’ve designated right-hander Lane Ramsey for assignment.
Santos, 24, entered the 2023 campaign with just 5 2/3 innings in the majors under his belt for his career but fashioned a strong rookie performance out of the White Sox bullpen last year. The right-hander posted a strong 3.39 ERA in 66 1/3 innings of work across 60 appearances for Chicago last season, and those already solid numbers are backed up by even stronger peripherals. Santos paired a solid 22.8% strikeout rate with a microscopic 5.9% walk rate last season all while generating grounders at an excellent 52.5% clip. Those quality peripheral numbers left Santos with a 2.65 FIP last year, a figure bested by only Felix Bautista, Tanner Scott, Matt Brash, and David Bednar among relief arms with at least 60 innings of work last year.
Given the presence of both Brash and flamethrowing closer Andres Munoz at the back of Seattle’s bullpen, it seems unlikely that Santos will find himself in line for many save opportunities with the Mariners after picking up five saves in eight opportunities with the White Sox last season. That being said, Santos appears likely to step into the void created by right-hander Justin Topa’s departure from the club’s late-inning mix. Topa, who posted a 2.61 ERA and 3.15 FIP for the Mariners last year, was shipped to Minnesota last week alongside Anthony DeSclafani and two prospects in exchange for infielder Jorge Polanco. While reporting earlier this winter indicated that Santos may not be ready for Spring Training after ending the season on the injured list with elbow inflammation, MLB.com’s Daniel Kramer relays that the Mariners expect Santos to make six to eight appearances this spring in preparation for Opening Day.
In exchange for parting ways with a quality relief arm with five seasons of team control remaining, the White Sox are receiving a pair of rookie-eligible youngsters as well as what should become a third noteworthy piece in the form of the #69 selection in this year’s draft. That will be Chicago’s third pick in next year’s draft as things stand, as they will also draft the #5 and #43 selections this summer.
Berroa, 23, was acquired by the Mariners back in May of 2022 in a deal that sent Donovan Walton to San Francisco. The right-hander was listed as Seattle’s #15 prospect by MLB.com last season on the heels of a 2022 campaign that saw him post a 2.86 ERA in 26 starts split between the High-A and Double-A levels of the minors. The Mariners converted Berroa to the bullpen in 2023 and he found considerable success in the role as he punched out 36.6% of batters faced while compiling a 2.89 ERA in 65 1/3 innings of work in a return to Double-A last year. Impressive as those strikeout numbers are, Berroa’s penchant for issuing free passes stands out as a possible red flag. The righty walked 14.1% of batters faced last season and has walked at least 11.8% of opponents every year since he made the jump to full-season ball back in 2019.
Though the youngster has yet to appear at the Triple-A level to this point in his career, he got his first taste of big league action last year, with 1 2/3 scoreless innings of work across his first two appearances in the majors. There should be plenty of opportunities this season for the righty to step into a significant role in Chicago’s bullpen, where they figure to rely on the likes of John Brebbia, Tim Hill, and Garrett Crochet as late-inning options.
As for DeLoach, the 25-year-old was Seattle’s second-round pick in the 2020 draft. Early in his professional career, DeLoach struggled to create much power with his swing, clubbing just 14 home runs in each of his first two pro campaigns. The right fielder managed to improve his power output this past season, however, as he slashed .286/.387/.481 in 623 trips to the plate at the Triple-A level. While that translates to a wRC+ of just 111 in the inflated offensive environment of the Pacific Coast League, where the Mariners’ Triple-A affiliate plays its games, DeLoach’s 23 homers last season still show the power potential necessary to make him a potential big league contributor as soon as this season.
While star slugger Luis Robert Jr. is locked into the everyday center field job and veteran outfielder Andrew Benintendi figures to get the lion’s share of starts in left for the White Sox this year, the club’s right field situation is far less certain. Oscar Colas was the club’s main contributor at the position last year, though he posted a brutal .216/.257/.314 slash line in 75 games with the big league club last year. As such, there’s plenty of room for either DeLoach or fellow recent addition Dominic Fletcher to seize an everyday role with the club during Spring Training later this month. That trio also figure to battle with non-roster invitees Brett Phillips and Kevin Pillar for the club’s fourth outfield role headed into Opening Day.
Making room on the 40-man roster for the additions of DeLoach and Berroa is Ramsey, a 27-year-old who made his big league debut last season. Originally acquired by the White Sox in the 23rd round of the 2018 draft, Ramsey struggled to a 5.85 ERA in 20 innings of work with the big league club last year as he struck out just 19.6% of batters faced while walking 9.8%. The club will have seven days to either trade Ramsey or attempt to pass him through waivers. If they are successful in doing so, they’ll have the opportunity to outright him to the minor leagues where he’ll remain with the club as non-roster depth headed into the 2024 campaign.
As a white sox fan: why.
Competitive balance picks are valuable, especially since it will add over $1 million to their bonus pool. Plus they added a quality minor league pitcher and outfielder
So you are most impressed by the 1 mil in bonus pool? They do have to use said bonus pool to sign the player as well.
But White Sox might be selling high. But definitely takes away from this years team
That is the whole point, they arent playing for this year. White Sox got nice value here, Berroa could be Santos + they got more on top. Love it for both teams.
I didn’t say any of that. But yeah, a competitive balance pick and two quality minor league players for a reliever is good for a rebuilding team. Relievers are highly inconsistent and do little for teams who aren’t in win-now.
Berroa won’t be anything. He can’t throw strikes and if Mariners pitching development couldn’t fix him, Sox won’t be able to.
White Sox still lost 100 games even with Santos as their setup guy. They have holes all over the roster.
Your not wrong, but they got a gigantic upgrade in RF.
Gigantic upgrade? I’d be surprised if Deloach anything more than bench guy in his career. Honestly hope all the guys pop for the Sox but I think we look back as they ending up with very little
A.trade is not the same thing as being waived. Both teams give up players of value. The White Sox aren’t saying just give us your crap. They are telling Seattle the players they are interested in. While its still to be determined how adept Getz is at getting actual talent, he feels that they all have what he’s looking for.
The M’s weren’t done with him. They never had a chance to fix him. That’s the upside. Seattle had high hopes for Berroa going into this season. He sported a 2.89 ERA in AA last year. We don’t know how well he was going to translate to the bigs. We were hoping he’d turn into Santos.
@tigers182 ” Relievers are highly inconsistent ”
—Routinely repeated, little understood.
Break down starting pitching into 50-60 inning chunks and you get ‘variation’ similar to that we think we see among relievers.
Add to that the greater variability in the hitters relievers face, et voila.
Pitching, in large, is pitching.
We had him for 5 , now u do. The guy we got has control problems that most likely will not be fixed here. It was a good trade… for u guys
Dom Fletcher is a huge upgrade bc Sox were ranked dead last in rf.
Yeah, but are these prospects actually more valuable than a guy who still has 5 years of service time remaining, while he has already proven to be at least a decent MLB pitcher?
Who knows if any of these 3 prospects/pick will actually sniff the Majors or be any better than AAAA players if they do? It’s not like they’re really saving any money with this deal, either. At what point do you hit the point of diminished returns?
Exactly. What are the Sox gonna do with a draft pick? What a waste. Get a player that another organization has developed since they clearly cannot draft or develop.
They didn’t just get a draft pick…
Sad, but true. They’ve developed squat so what does JR do? Promote the dude that was literally in charge of player development to GM, the most important job in baseball.
It would be comical if it weren’t so pathetic. Their dwindling fanbase deserves so much more.
I have no idea about any of these players, except for seeing Santos pitch a couple times last season. But knowing the White Sox FO, I sure like the chances that this trade works out well for Seattle.
Sox are just shuffling the chairs on the Titanic.
So Gregory Santos was a guy that the Giants dfa’d a while back for roster space and prelander berroa was a guy the Giants traded to the Mariners a while back for roster space….
To get any of that for Santos was a steal. To get all of it was a fleecing. Santos was a middle inning reliever at best. Getz is improving the MLB product while also gaining assets for the future. In other words, Doing exactly what he’s supposed to be doing. Let’s not forget he’s only trying to compete in the AL Central. They’ve improved a lot since last year. With more improvements hopefully coming. The real test will be on what he receives in return for the assets he has. Stay tuned.
Looking to get closer to the 1st overall pick. They need to work harder as they play in the worst division in baseball.
Picks! Picks! Picks! I’m so tired of picks! How many #1 overall draft picks have made much of a difference to their team?
Jackson Holliday, Adley Rutschman, Dansby Swanson, Carlos Correa, Bryce Harper, Gerrit Cole….
Worked real well for the Tigers
I hope the Illiches SELL THE TEAM.
Don’t forget Adrian Gonzalez, Joe Muaer who just made the HOF this year, David Price, Steven Strasburg,Justin Upton and Royce Lewis looks like he’s going to be a All-star caliber player.
The White Sox can’t pick any higher than 10th overall in the 2025 Draft, regardless of their season’s record, as a large-market team can’t be in the lottery for back-to-back seasons according to terms in the Collective Bargaining Agreement
First he lies to become a congressman, now he somehow schemed his way into becoming a major league pitcher?
Bigly!
I thought the same thing when I read the headline… He’ll look fabulous in Italian loafer spikes.
I’m equally surprised to see Zack de la Rocha taking time away from the Rage Against the Machine reunion tour.
You have to applaud the versatility of these athletes/politicians/musician-activists.
Rage Against the Machine cancelled their tours earlier this past month so Zack has plenty of time for his baseball side hustle.
Has there ever been a band to lose their front man, reform their band under a different lead singer, chris cornell. Become a different band, audioslave! Then go back and perform as their previous band as rage against the machine? Crazy
Yes, a few bands/singers have done that. Eddie Vedder did it with Chris in Temple of the Dog, and Scott Weiland (Velvet Revolver I think), Geddy Lee of Rush, Chester Bennington, and Billy Corgin are a few that have done something similar.
Thx YC. I do remember billy corgan forming zwan. But I thought it was crazy for the actual non frontmen portion of a band to become a different band and then going back to their original band. It would be like foo fighters becoming nirvana again minus kurt cobain ofcourse
For sure Astros. You’re right, I don’t think it happens very often.
Great point. But 41 consecutive innings pitched without a single batted ball getting to the outfield cannot be ignored.
I’m sure somewhere right now, the ‘other’ Santos is telling people he just got traded to the Mariners and is packing his bags to get ready when pitchers and catchers report.
He’s definitely a catcher…
bullpen catcher
My initial thought is that the M’s overpaid a bit here, but I like Santos a lot so I’m not mad about them doing so. Could be a win-win trade if Berroa develops into even half of his potential–and it wouldn’t shock me if they have similar levels of success in 2025 or perhaps even this season.
I like it. Berroa’s command didn’t really improve and DeLoach whiffs far too much. Seattle gets a hard-throwing reliever with the sinker-slider combo they covet. They’ll probably tweak it a bit and have him throw the slider even more.
Though he didn’t do that well in high-leverage situations, I could see that changing real fast.
Plenty of time for Berroa to improve since he’s only 23, but I’m a big fan of Santos so I don’t mind moving Berroa to acquire a win-now, controllable reliever. And I’m out on DeLoach anyway.
Yeah, and it’s worth noting that Chicago helped Santos with his command.
Katz may have been familiar with Berroa from his time in SF, so there’s that as well.
It’s easy to see how this could benefit both clubs, but a healthy Santos with his slider and ability to induce ground balls….
Yeah, this is big deal for Seattle.
Sox have at best an average track record when it comes to pitchers.
More likely is that Bannister was familiar with Berroa from his time in San Francisco.
The most valuable asset that the Ms are giving up is neither Berroa or DeLoach.
Fact, it’s the pick and pool money, which is a lot especially for a team that drafts well like the Mariners
It’s a good move if you believe the Mariners are contending for the division, and I think they will. Maybe they’re a SP or a bat away?
I think the M’s are certainly contending for the division. A late inning RP was arguably the biggest hole and they get a good controllable one at that.
It’s happening: Re: The M’s being “a SP away” If you read todays (The Athletic) Eno Sarri’s article on Starting Pitchers Rankings. He uses the Stuff+ Location+ and Pitching+ metrics to project and rank SP’s for 2024. It’s a very interesting article based on predictive stats. Anyone who reads it might think that Mariners Rotation is already one of the best in MLB.
That SEA rotation has 3 SP’s ranked in Sarris’s Top 11. They are Kirby #5 Castillo #7 and Gilbert #11. Even their 2 back end SP’s Miller and Woo are ranked at 41 and 42 respectively. Ahead of names like Merrill Kelly, Jordan Montgomery and Chris Bassitt.
The Mariners are absolutely committed to contending. The question is- can that lineup (and Rotation) stay healthy?
Really? Wow. Great trade for the Mariners. Berroa is a walk machine, good stuff, but a walk machine. The Mariners had no plans for Zach.
Yeah, and DeLoach won’t likely be the last outfield LHH Seattle moves. Trammell is out of options. They still have Marlowe, who is their immediate reserve, and Alberto Rodríguez in AA (and kind of quietly rebounded last season).
It would be great if Chicago can help Berroa with his command and DeLoach cut down on the Ks. But this shows Seattle’s really trying to give themselves a chance to compete with Houston and the AL East teams.
Good for them.
Good call! Marlowe was in front of him as well.. Thanks
Or maybe they are trying to compete with the team in their division that just win the world series?
I’ll be sure to note the most obvious next time, just in case anyone misses the point.
BRM- I have no issue moving DeLoach. There are plenty of 4th OF types in the system. I don’t even mind moving pick 69 much since the system is improving. I’m not even opposed to moving Berroa but apparently I’m higher on him than most. The control issues didn’t bother me so much given he’s 23. It’s more giving up Berroa in combination with the pick that probably would have resulted in another top 20 prospect in the farm. But like I said, I’m a Santos fan, so it’s definitely worth it to me.
I hear ya. Santos is only 24 and a much more polished pitcher than Prelander. With Prelander you have to hope he gets there, seems like Santos may already be there.
Exactly. The M’s need to be a contender now. No more just trying to be competitive and hoping it all goes right, especially after the 54% comments, as misinterpreted as they may have been.
Seems a little heavy. The draft pick might be the best player in the deal lol
They got the 69th pick? nice.
nice
What is going on? Santos is a nice RP, but DeLoach? He has huge upside and seems to be just putting the pieces together to get a call up this year.
Deloach doesn’t have that much upside. He’ll be 26 in august, hasn’t had a real good year other than last year, and even then he struck out 27% of the time in triple a, which would probably translate to over 30% in the majors. Plus, you have two other quadruple-A left handed hitting outfielders in canzone and marlowe, so he was kind of blocked anyway.
As for berroa, he has some pretty good stuff, but struggles with throwing strikes. As a fan, i really hate watching those guys. Santos has much better command and already has proven himself over an entire season.
The only one that really hurts here is the pick, but, hey, you’ve got to give up something to get a good player.
He’s their sixth or seventh outfielder. 183 strikeouts last year & slugged below .500 in the PCL. Nice to see he had a little trade value. Stop falling in love with mediocre players!!
DeLoach is the worst player out of the 3 pieces that the Ms are giving up. You’re worried about the wrong thing.
No way. DeLoach is 26 years years old and is behind Canzone, Trammell and Marlowe.
DeLoach is a better player than Canzone, Trammel, and Marlow. Covid really hurt his development and he is on track to becoming a solid MLB player IMO.
Let the White Sox fans crying begin. This trade should flood out MLBTR.
Honestly I’m fine with it. Santos is a nice pitcher but the Sox are going nowhere and his value might never be higher. Both guys acquired seem like guys who can compete for a spot.
They took a guy who was DFA’d last fall and got a nice return for him.
Prelander will evolve into Verlander with enough experience
Pokemon prospects
Quite a stretch
My ptsd has surfaced and I will binge eat
Hoping for that, along with some explosive diarrhea.
Prelander is a great name therefore White Sox win this trade.
Yikes, one of the few ML studs this team had. Probably the worst ML rosters in the game, Oakland even has more talent. Their farm is trash too. Reinsdorf being even more cheap than usual, he must be saving up for a new suit.
Getz is no different than Hahn, just another lap dog YES man for JR.
As an A’s fan, I laughed when you said our name. I could only wish we had any trade able players on our roster who could fetch this kind of return.
Hang tight, Getz isn’t done. Crade will go too maybe even Robert and then guys can compete for the most lottery balls in next year’s draft.
All that said, I’d still rather be an OAK fan. You guys have a better farm system and will probably actually start spending when you move to Vegas.
Crade? *** Cease
Their farm system is ranked #18.
Latest Mariner closer in waiting? Wish they’d kept DeLoach but at least Santos is young with some projectability… A step up on Topa.
There is nowhere on the depth chart for DeLoach. He’s behind Marlowe/Canzone/Clase in AAA.
Dano62 DeLoach is behind Cazone, Marlowe and in my eyes Trammel. Berroea is not ready this year
All that for a hard throwing, right handed reliever? Literally one of the most plentiful assets in the game… Why trade that much for that?
The 5.9% walk rate is definitely not common in baseball, let alone for a hard throwing right hander.
My critique has nothing to do with Santos. Nice arm, but a top strength of the Dipoto regime has been turning useless arms into useful relievers. Just seems like an overpay for an asset they typically haven’t valued.
Pull up his baseball savant page and you’ll understand why. If that’s too much, just watch him throw a 103 MPH sinker on YouTube.
Feels like a lot for a dude with a career 1.375 WHIP.
Ahhh…no.
Potential high upside move for the Sox for a guy that probably would have been dealt at the deadline anyways (assuming he didn’t get hurt)
Overpay. That’s one the Mariners will regret later I think. Nice pickup by the White Sox.
Which player will they regret trading? Do tell.
Probably whoever they take with the #69 pick but Berroa has a power reliever profile a la Gregory Soto.
That is not a good argument.. He profiles or hopes to be to be Gregory Santos?
Read the name dude. Gregory Soto was a starter for the Tigers who they turned into a power reliever. He was wild with lots of SOs and walks but was their closer before he was traded to the Phillies for Vierling, Maton and Sands…which has not worked out great so far. Berroa reminds me of Soto.
Cease has got to be on the move here soon?!
Sox might win the division, fighting it out with KC while everyone else sits on thier laurels looking at projections of stats…..
The Sox are by far the worst team in the central. They will not hang on to Cease and they definitely arent ‘going for it’.
At this point I think they might hang on to him and deal him at the deadline. Sounds like Getz is asking for the moon and nobody is biting.
Nice. Now that the Sox have Zach DeLorocha, they just need to get local Libertyville kid Tom Morello. Then they can truly Rage Against the Machine
That band was a bunch of commies!!!!!
Good
A lot of what I’ve seen from the M’s this off-season are just shuffle-the-deck lateral moves. Had they had a coherent vision they could have trimmed some salary(which they did with Suarez/R.Ray and others)and used their prospect capital to go after the premium bat they’ve long needed. Someone like the W.Sox’s Luis Robert. They could have done this and still stayed well under last years payroll if indeed that was the ownership mandate. Even now they’ll be paying a very fragile Mitch Hanniger about the same $ as Roberts makes.
mlb fan: they do not want to trade any of their high-end pitching. Or they would rather not. Would have to be wowee zowee of a deal. That, plus they are dealing with budget uncertainties.
There is zero chance the Mariners would be willing or able to meet the price on Robert. It would take Kirby+ and that isnt happening. I do think with all the moves this team is still only slightly better than last year.
@goodvibes I think on paper we are definitely better but it’s all going to come down to health and who can stay on the field. If Haniger is healthy he will rake. Raley as well.
54%
I like Robert but nobody in his right mind would give up 3+ years of Kirby control for anyone not named Ohtani. Based on deals in recent days it wouldn’t take a Kirby to land Robert. I don’t think it even takes a Gilbert. It might cost Miller & Woo.
Larry, you should keep your GED score to yourself , that’s supposed to be personal information.
I didn’t mean to trigger you. I have a problem with offending soft people. Working on it
If the Mariners could get Robert for Miller & Woo I have to imagine they would have done it. I’d do that all day.
Haniger hasn’t been good for quite some time and Raley only has half a season of good play, the second half was veru bad. Thats why I think only slightly beyter on paper right now. But if the corner outfielders contribute the lineup is much better. Pretty big if. Love the Garver and Polanco adds.
@goodvibe I hear ya brother, and maybe I am stuck in my Mitch Haniger 2021 fanboy stage; but if he’s healthy…I think he puts up those kind of numbers again. Raley is a wild card in that his track record is short, did pitchers figure him out, and that’s why he fell off a cliff last year? Or was it a nagging injury? We should definitely know where we stand with him by May or June, at any rate. Do not give up all hope ye who enter here.
Haniger should be a positive clubhouse impact even if he is perpetually hurt. If he returns to 2021 form this team is stacked!
Other way around. Robert++++ to acquire Kirby.
I think the Mariners did well to dump a lot of salary. Yes Hanigers salary sucks but they got out of the rest of the Ray deal and that looked nearly impossible. I hate all the cost cutting moves but they did good with the value they got back and the deals they made.
I agree the salary dump moves were all very shrewd for the most part. I wish we wouldn’t have had to dump Kelenic but he needed a change of scenery for sure.
I disagree.
Seattle would have had to cough up Ford and/or Young, or Emerson……guys like that to even get a conversation started for a guy like Roberts, who doesn’t exactly fit their control-the-zone profile,
They’ve done well considering they didn’t give up any of their best prospects, and I say ‘best’ because I’m aware that Gonzalez was a top prospect. I simply never believed he was one of their best.
Mlbfan Mariners would have to give up one of our young starting pitchers plus alot more for Robert’s
Zach DeLouch types are a dime a dozen. Prolander types the Mariners can manufacture at will from their secret pitching labs. The only think that stings is the Draft Pick.
White Sox got a nice haul.
This trade is just sad to look at as a Giants fan. Berroa and Santos both could’ve been bullpen pieces for the Giants for a long time to come, right behind Doval. Could’ve been nasty.
Zaidi is truly lousy. I was a long time Giants fan but couldn’t stand him from the start. Weasely! We will not be outbid. We will be aggressive at the deadline. Hiring Yes man Kapler in the first place then throws him under the bus to save his job. Zaidi should have been fired at the same time. Love the Melvin move except that he was Zaidi’s life preserver.
Berroa is an interesting lottery ticket but I have to believe the M’s became frustrated with his wildness and didn’t think they help him.
DeLoach could end up as a low-end starting outfielder but more likely a 4th OF. Don’t think he was in the M’s plans for 2024.
The draft pick brings the White Sox a lot of flexibility in building their farm.
Santos’ 2023 was an incredible turn-around considering his lack of performance in the minors. We’ll see if he can keep that up. If he does and with 5 years of control left, he’ll be well worth what the M’s paid.
Absolutely. Plus Jackson Chourio.
It’s amazing how much value high leverage relievers have become the last few years.
Great pickup for the M’s but it wouldn’t shock me if Berroa becomes better in the long run.
Nice pickup for the M’s. That helps the pen alot. Would be nice to get a another outfielder but they’re looking alot better.
Brash Munoz and Santos is a pretty good rear end of the pen
G Speier also! He really surprised me last yr. I’d throw him into that back end pile with Brash Muñoz and Santos. I wonder who earns the other 4 spots? Saucedo, Voth, Kowar and T Adcock?
I would put Trent Thonrton in there.
I think Thornton Saucedo and Adcock all have a good chance. I think Adcock looked pretty nasty and he’s buddies with Kirby. I think the guy we got for Suarez from the Dbacks also has a chance to earn a spot
Mojo and BigRed: Thats right! I Forgot about both Trent Thornton and Carlos Vargas! CV is another power arm with a big FB. Much like Voth, Trent Thornton can be stretched out. The other RPer from BAL: Eduardo Bazardo he also looked good at times last yr. They are certainly piling up the BP depth.
If this is how much a decent reliever costs, inage how much Devin Williams would cost! I would prefer Berroa over Santos alone.
Very Seattle trade to do’ imo Prelander>Sabtos
What I’m seeing is M’s now have 2 of the 5 best relievers in the game last year. GoMs!
who?
Santos and Brash (bottom 2nd paragraph about FIP)
That FIP was driven by an unsustainably low 4.8% HR/FB rate, normalize that and his ERA looks totally deserved (3.39 ERA/3.31 xFIP/3.32 SIERA).
Santos is much more likely to be a 1 year wonder than top 5 reliever. I mean who had heard of him before 2023?
I’ll risk those odds!
seattles strength is its pitching. JD didnt want to give up any of its SP to upgrade in other places-check. They just added a young, controllable, power arm to the back end of its PB-check. The MO is to shorten the game and turn over to the power arms in the PB-check. Its been workig for the past few years, to “let it ride”.
Not a Santos fan. A sell-high move on the part of the White Sox.
You have to hand it to the White Sox GM, he Getz players!
Getz must not be sold on Santos because this is really early on his career to trade him.
Both Santos and Berroa #foreverGiants
I did not realize Santos was a former Giant.
Had a few opportunities as a Giant. Came up around the same time as Doval. Doval stuck. Santos didn’t.
Gotcha Jesse F
Is this an AJ Peirzinski for Joe Nathan/Francisco Liriano joke?
Great trade for the M’s. They needed to add at least one more reliver. Well done! They do so well with relievers and Santos already comes in having a strong 2023 season and only 24 years old….Berroa is a walk machine. Good stuff, but a walk machine. Zach D is 26 and has a couple outfielders ahead of him like Taylor Trammell and Sam Haggerty that are not awesome so what does that say about the Mariners plans for him?
There are even more OFs in AAA ahead of him: Marlowe/Canzone/Clase.
Bigred, Randy Johnson was a Walk machine early in his career. Only guy I know that could walk the bases full , then strike out the side.
That is a great point. Randy could do that. . Prelander is not there,yet. I just like that we added another back end of the bullpen guy, We had not replaced Topa and for that matter we had not even replaced Sewald. This is something that they needed to do, get some help in the bullpen right now.
good trade by both teams
Agreed – It’s a good for the White Sox’s MLB and AAA team
Sox needed a decent RF for years. Hopefully Dom Fletcher solves the rf hole.
Is there a team that needs cody bellinger more than the mariners? I love the M’s roster. An impact bat who plays great defense on that team? M’s ownership fails that fanbase!
I’ve been so frustrated with ‘our owners’ offseason policy of shuffling the deck.
The trouble with the idea of an impact bat coming to Seattle is that many of them don’t want to hit in a park that was THE worst park for hitters (according to Statcasts Park Factor) in all of MLB.
Which is why Dipoto has literally traded hundreds of players over his time here.
I completely understand your point. Which is why Seattle is gonna have to overpay! Adrian Beltre and Richie Sexson rings a bell! Might be a different park but those are the moves they used to make.
The Mariners are too smart to sign Cody Bellinger. The contract he wants is stupid money. It’s the type of move Arte Moreno makes.
Unfortunately our ownership is trash, and Bellinger wants a multi-year deal. Thanks for nothing John Stanton!
At this point, not worth griping about it. Santos was a good pitcher for them, at least serviceable. These guys they are getting.. with this White Sox org that can barely develop a cold.. I’m not sure. Unfortunately its wait and see for the White Sox at this point..DeLoach also sounds like another ‘super ute’ guy, which Im tired of seeing the Sox get.
Too bad “The Chairman” cares more about trying to get a sweetheart deal from the city and state for his stadium than trying to put a winning product their fans could be proud of on the field.
who’s the sweetheart from the city?
I heard he was a star volleyball player at Baruch College.
Shocked. Way too much for a relief pitcher that was a great fit for the White Sox. I’m gonna miss Prelander Berroa as well. Can’t believe the Mariners also sent a competitive round balance pick. This is by far the worst offseason in MLB history for the Mariners. I’ve never seen anything like it. It’s really sad to see
Disagree. Last year was far worst by bringing in LaStella, Pollack, and Wong! They spent on a free agent: Garver. They got Polanco, Raley and Mitch Haniger back. AND They kept their young pitching! I still cannot believe the Rays traded Raley for Jose C.
Yep, loved Suarez but he and Tesocar did not put the ball in play a lot. Rooted for Kelenic and loved how competitive he was but same thing there. Lot’s of K’s. Excited about the new look. Sorry.
They dealt Raley because, outside of the first couple months, he was a dud. He has potential. He just has a REALLY hard time finding it. Caballero is exactly the kind of player they like. The M’s have had a horrible off-season. Treading water at best, while the rest of the division steps up. Third place and 2-4 games out of the playoffs. Again.
#profitsoverpennants
100% agree. Last season was the WORST. I feel that after the Santos acquisition that this by far has been the best and most impressive, especially with ownership sitting on its ass and not helping out. While most teams around the League are going through the same “tv rights crisis”, lol, and have just decided to just Run it Back. Seattle has had to improvise and made some very impressive moves this offseason. Well done Jerry and Justin!
You will miss that when he faced eight batters this past season he walked three of them? Oh and threw a wild pitch. My bad.
Well, that’s insane Benji.
Pull up Santos’s baseball savant page; or see him throw a 103MPH sinker on Youtube. Both Berroa and DeLoach are unproven/needs more exposure; the pick is tough to give away and is easily the most costly part of the trade for the Ms.
You will miss that when he faced eight batters this past season he walked three of them? Oh and threw a wild pitch.
Hang in there Benji. This was a great trade and Dipoto and Hollander have done an amazing job considering the ownership they have to deal with. Great pitching and defense wins championships.
Or, they will lead the league in “Felix’s”.
7+ip, < 3 runs, and a loss.
Can’t win if ya don’t score.
@Benji Your performative abilities in trying to convey disappointment with the Mariners offseason do not telegraph as authentically sincere. Instead they come across as bland catastrophizing, or just a blatant pander for “likes” from fellow low-hanging fruit keyboard jockeys.
Adam Duvall or Micheal Taylor for the last bench bat and we might be a real contender for the division…
Good call. I vote for Adam Duvall. he can get hot and carry a club at times.
You’re not gonna entice anyone to sign by telling them that they’re gonna ride the bench.
At 35 years old they both know that they are platoon guys I would think.,.
They already are a real contender for the division.
Hllywdjff. That top 3 in the rotation compares with any top 3 in MLB. George Kirby is my favorite pitcher not on my team. Seattle is a slugger away from a championship contender
The Mariners don’t need to add a slugger to win the world Series. They have great pitching and solid defense. All they need is minimal injuries, a little bit of luck and a few clutch hits in October. Oh, and look for Canzone to have a breakout season! And for Raley to rake.
Is this Jerry or Justin?
Good luck. Another summer of a full stadium, and a close but no cigar win/loss record.
I’d argue a slugger with solid defense is exactly what they need.
Their defense took a step back in RF and probably at 3B and 2B, depending on where Polanco plays.
Canzone & Urías aren’t that good, so they’re thin on late-innings defensive replacements.
They need SP depth as well.
@Stevil. I agree with everything you state here. Is Adam Duvall the answer? If my estimations are correct they stall have $5-$6 million to spend? That may get a power hitting Duvall on a one year deal who also has a decent glove and gets hurt if you play him everyday so have him switch off with Mitch H?
Duvall strikes out too much.
Payroll is likely around 126 right now. Spotrac is off. Cot’s has them just under 132, but that includes IL salaries (5m+). I’m not sure they’re correct, either.
The budget might be 140, but I wonder if that might be conditional. Perhaps they could stretch it another 10m for the right player, like they did with Iwakuma in the 2017(?) Offseason.
It’s easy to say Bellinger is a fit, but how many years and at what AAV.
Seattle might be more inclined to see how things play out and reassess at the deadline.
For the record, I’d like to see them push in the chips. Get Bellinger, get some SP depth, get another middle-innings reliever.
What are the Mariners doing? I hate this trade for them. I feel like Berroa very well might have a better 2024 out of the bullpen than Santos, nevermind the rest of what they gave up.
Trust. Watch Gregory Santos throw a 103MPH sinker on Youtube.
I will admit that the Mariners usually know what they’re doing when acquiring relievers, and will probably get the most out of Santos, but this still seems like a pretty steep overpay to me. I’m pretty bullish on Berroa and DeLoach, and to have to include the pick seems quite unnecessary.
HBan22- You said a very important word about Berroa: “might.” Sure the Mariners could bring Berroa up in 2024. He might have a good year but then again he might not have the kind of success Santos had in 2023.
Santos threw 551 sliders last yr – only one ball made it past the infield onto the grass of the OF. That is astonishing!
The M’s replaced a high leverage ground ball specialist RPer (Topa) with a much younger RPer (Santos) with better stuff. Berroa is also younger with better stuff than Topa but he doesn’t have sinking pitches that generate groundballs like Santos and Topa. Nor does he have the experience. I love this trade. You can’t hoard prospects.
Love the move-we needed to fill Topa’s spot and this did it. Berroa has some potentil but super wild and we have Trammell ,Marlowe ,Haggerty ,etc. so have plenty of # 4/5 outfielders.
Fair trade. If they thought they could improve Berroa they wouldn’t need to make this trade. DeLoach doesn’t scream star. Could be average starter or 4th outfielder.
Sox seem to be where they shouldn’t turn down prospects for a reliever. Pretty much got Santos prospect back IF they can improve control. Really like the draft pick.
Seems pretty even. SEA got the proven player. SOX got the pick and 2 near mlb players. If they can improve just one of them a lil bit they will come out ahead on this one.
They got a gigantic upgrade in RF. Both offensively and defensively.
This could turn out Ok, Santos with the sore arm delicate thing those hard throwing pitchers. The M’s trading of multiple players once again. Dipoto and his broad strokes perhaps too abstract?
The M’s off-season is questionable. They technically got worse despite being loaded with pitching.
They got worse? They are significantly better at 2B, DH, and LF. Equal at C, 1B, CF, SS, SP, and the Bullpen. I could even argue that the rotation may be better with the experience Woo/Miller got last year. I also tend to think France will bounce back so they could be better there. You could argue Geno over Urias/Rojas but I wouldn’t be surprised if they outperformed him and his regressing peripherals. Teo is probably better than Haniger, primarily due to the injury history of Mitch, but there’s options that could likely match what Teo did last year
As a M’s fan, I like it. Of the starting 9 hitters, I have questions about the Urias/Rojas 3B share (counting on Perry Hill to improve the defense of both, as he did with Eugenio) and Raley and Haniger being healthy and high OBP guys. Also,I’d rather not see a dozen UT on the team, But the pitching staff should be tight, barring injuries, of course.
Ugh…that’s where I think things could get ugly …defense. and it’s going to drive Scott Servais crazy because he prides himself on having teams who can catch the ball and perform the fundamentals like clockwork. But that’s where our outstanding pitching will save us from the worst of it. If we had craptastic pitching mixed with this defense on paper, we would be the White Sox calling up Elvis Andrus for help.
Urias is a slightly above average defender at third base historically, not sure what you’re referring too. Teo was a terrible defender and Raley is a far better athlete/defender. Polanco is at least a push at 2B.
Good trade for both teams. White Sox got more for Santos than what they gave up to get him from the Giants.
Lol @ Mariners…
Really?
White Sox did pretty well here IMO.
Well best pitcher on the team go traded… why ?
DeLoach is filler, but Berroa’s a good get on top of a valuable Competitive Balance Round draft pick. If the White Sox really believed Santos could close, or even be a high-leverage reliever, they’d have held him and sold at the deadline or next offseason when his value would be even higher after he showed the couple months at the start of 2023 wasn’t a fluke. Berroa has command issues but legit swing-and-miss stuff. More likely an impact arm moving forward than Santos. Add in the value of a competitive balance pick and an up-and-down OFer, and this looks like as easy win for the White Sox.
I must be losing it. I swear I read this as “Marlins Acquire Gregory Santos” literally 24 hours ago.
Trader Jerry at it again. Can Dealin Dipoto push the Mariners to a playoff spot in 2024???
Not bad. Guy’s K-BB% is 16.9, which is decent but leaves one expecting more from a guy who is a bullpen pitcher. Positive is he’s really brought down that BB%. He slightly outperformed his FRA last year, so we should expect a bit of negative regression, possibly an ERA around high 3 to low 4.
2023 ERA: 3.39
2023 xERA: 3.16
2023 FRA: 4.10
Are you factoring Statcast’s metric : Park Factor? T-Mobile Park was the worst park for hitters in all of MLB. Santos could actually improve on those numbers. He has a fantastic GB rate and he’s in that park!?
I’m pulling the data from BaseballSavant’s website.
In what is considered a “weak draft”, I’m ok with giving up the Competive pick and Bonus pool money. The M’s need to win NOW, and that costs a little more, when you push your chips in.
If I am Dylan Cease I would actually have my agent beg the White Sox for a trade at this point.
Chris would say nope.
Mariners got the better of this trade. Quality over quantity is the key and Santos is another Brash type pitcher which is coveted. The Sox got potential at best. Even pick #69 is potential at best.
Lol so true.
Rumor this: If the White Sox beat the Tigers this, somebody should get fired.
Idk what you mean by this