With the A’s and Rays nearing resolution on their long-running stadium disputes, expansion could become a more pressing topic for MLB in the second half of the 2020s. Rob Manfred said earlier this month he hoped to have the next couple major league cities agreed upon by the end of his tenure as commissioner. Manfred plans to retire at the conclusion of his term in January 2029.
ESPN’s Jeff Passan writes that while there are no current expansion plans in place, many high-ranking team and league officials consider it inevitable the league will move to 32 franchises. Passan suggests that’s unlikely to occur before the early portion of the 2030s, a timeline that generally aligns with Manfred’s goal of getting the ball rolling before leaving office in five years. There are clear logistical issues — expansion fees, stadium construction, etc. — that’d need to be sorted out between narrowing the field of cities and putting two more MLB teams on the field.
While the league could get a jump on that process, expansion isn’t yet a priority. The A’s are still figuring out where they’ll play between 2025-27. Manfred said this month that MLB also needed to “get our footing on local media a little bit better” before making significant changes. That’s a reference to the uncertain broadcasting revenues facing a number of teams as cord-cutting has threatened the viability of many regional sports networks.
There will also be another round of collective bargaining negotiations before the expansion process kicks into gear. We’re two-fifths of the way through the current CBA, which expires in December 2026. The last round of collective bargaining resulted in a 99-day lockout over the offseason, the first official MLB work stoppage since the strike in 1994-95. Labor issues also delayed the return to play during the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020. It’s possible the next round of CBA negotiations could be similarly contentious.
Once expansion does become a more immediate concern, various cities could make a push for teams. Passan reports that early planning is to choose one team each from the East and West. According to Passan, Nashville and Salt Lake City have emerged as preliminary frontrunners.
Music City Baseball was established in 2019 with the goal of bringing a franchise to Nashville. Don Mattingly, Tony La Russa, Bruce Bochy, Dave Stewart and Dave Dombrowski are among a host of high-profile people who have been associated with the project.
Salt Lake City’s push didn’t begin in earnest until last April. Big League Utah, a group led by former Utah Jazz owner Gail Miller, began the process of seeking an expansion franchise. SLC is one of three cities — joining Oakland and Sacramento — that is in contention to host the A’s before their planned Vegas stadium opening in 2028. Landing the A’s on a temporary basis would presumably boost their chances of securing a franchise of their own in the future.
Of course, plenty can change in the intervening few seasons. Nothing is anywhere near set in stone. The process hasn’t yet begun, but it could come into focus within the next couple years. MLB has been at 30 teams since adding the Diamondbacks and Devil Rays in 1998, the longest static period since the league first expanded from 16 to 18 teams in 1961. Passan’s column is worth a full read, as he lists a few other cities that have been floated as possibilities and covers a number of challenges that groups could face as they try to secure a new franchise.
sfarstad
Guys, I need to raise $10 billion dollars before they announce the expansion. Any suggestions??
long-suffering
Phase 1: collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: profit
tedtheodorelogan
That’s a pretty good idea if you gnome what I mean.
robluca21
Hey guys what’s phase 2 again ?
Lloyd Emerson
Go down to the crossroads and sell your soul.
Monkey’s Uncle
I tried that, but I couldn’t even flag a ride. It was like no one knew me, everybody passed me by…
deepseamonster32
Private equity. Depending on how ruthlessly willing you are to destroy people’s livelihoods, you could raise billions.
Treehouse22
Gold sneakers. You could charge something crazy like $399 per pair. Or maybe some crappy red ball caps.
tedtheodorelogan
Reselling for close to 10 grand on ebay.
hitztheball
I have seen $2 baseball cards listed for $10k on eBay. List it for whatever you want, just need 1 idiot to come along
unpaidobserver
Marry money. Works every time.
Paleobros
Lemonade stand.
Manfred’s playing with the balls
MLB owners would just threaten to move the team unless they got tax payer funds to build shopping malls and hotels next to a new ballpark.
The best baseball parks are old but somehow we let billionaires get welfare to build crappier versions. Just doesn’t make sense
SCOTTG3
Jerry Reinsdorf…”Did someone call me?”
I.M. Insane
Start a YouTube channel and do Try-On hauls. I don’t know. I’m trying to help.
User 401527550
A lot of parlay bets on March madness.
Daryl Pauley
GoFundMe.
Arnold Ziffel
A massive yard sale or take over a Mexican cartel.
Seymour Buttz
Wild Idea….I know that it’s not a popular idea but… Due to New York City being a baseball town(rather than LA a basketball town). The population of the city and with NJ population included would be a more financial stable situation for a 3rd NYC team in my opinion. Plus it would be interesting to see how a new fan base would react. Building a baseball complex at the Meadowlands or expand the MetLife stadium where the Giants/Jets play would be a very interesting idea. Your thoughts about this?
User 401527550
Why when there is so many untapped markets out there? It’s not just the local area but the region as a whole. The southeast is so underdeveloped for Major League Baseball it is amazing.
kje76
First, the Mets and the Yankees would never agree to an expansion team in their territory (for the same reason, likely Austin/San Antonio will not get an expansion team despite the large and underserved market). Second, the MLB wants to expand the market – bring in new and relatively untapped markets. They already have a longterm presence in NY/NJ.
Plus, and this is more of a nitpick, North Jersey’s population. Below roughly the mid-point of the state, South Jersey tends to be Phillies.
kyletw
There’s always money in the banana stand
JRW 2
Easy Peasy, just overvalue your House and take a mortgage like Trump
KingZeke8
MLB already has attendance issues with several clubs. Maybe it’s just me but my gut tells me expansion right now would not go well for MLB.
aragon
Nashville will be another beggar cities. Its own TV market is barely 1 million and surroundig area have a lot of Cards fans and Braves fans.
Tigers3232
Nashville’s media market is the 26th largest in the US with 2.45M people. That 2.45M is estimated to be composed of 1.2M households with TVs.
aragon
Check the teams in 25th and 27th largest media markets. Beggar teams.
Tigers3232
The 27th largest media market is Salt Lake, which if you read the article is the other city believed to be getting a team in expansion.
The 25th largest market is Indianapolis which has been mentioned in the past. The issue there it’s very close to Cincinnati, it’s close to or overlapping numerous media markets, and it’s an area that’s not seeing significant growth compared to other areas.
Not sure what Indy or Salt Lake have to do with you using false #s as facts. But ok
aragon
The Reds are not getting the handouts? News to me!
rondon
Do you seriously believe Don Mattingly, Tony La Russa, Bruce Bochy, Dave Stewart and Dave Dombrowski are seriously involved in bringing a team to Nashville because it’s a “beggar city”? Right.
aragon
Let me re-phrase. A beggar team in a nice midsize city.
Lloyd Emerson
I guess it depends on the location. I’d love to see Charlotte get a franchise but I don’t think the market would support it.
Nosferatu Zodd
Charlotte and Raleigh among fastest growing cities. I think Raleigh might be better. Split the 4 major sports between them.
User 401527550
There is a minor league team in almost ever city in NC. They are almost full on a nightly basis. Good weather, good economy and good population. They will have zero problem filling seats.
User 2079935927
Owners are not worried about butts in the seats. They see those HUGE expansion fees coming in.
Manfred’s playing with the balls
MLB doesn’t have attendance issues. Profits and revenues are at all time high and so is competition level.
Expansion is long over due and the only reason we haven’t had it yet is because billionaires love ripping off taxpayers.
MLB is a corrupt mafia who extorts fans with threat of moving to salt lake or Nashville.
Everyone here knows this is true
This one belongs to the Reds
Under the current fouled up system, anyone who starts an expansion franchise is foolish. MLB has a lot to fix before they even think about expanding.
mrkinsm
4x valuation in a decade or two says you’re wrong.
This one belongs to the Reds
KingZeke described it perfectly below.
Value is on paper. The reality is what someone actually pays. The last two teams for sale were pulled off the market because no one was willing to pay that price. That should tell you something.
mrkinsm
That’s great, now show a sale of a club in the past 40 years that has sold for less than valuation. Valuations get you loans, just ask Trump. No team for sale was pulled because they wouldn’t reach valuation.
KingZeke8
Except it does. Profits and revenues don’t tell the whole story (similar to saying that the stock market doing great = the economy is doing great) considering now more than ever, owners are cashing in on new revenue streams.
MLB total attendance has been on a downward trend since 2012, seeing it’s lowest point since 2003 in 2019 (I am discounting 2020-2022 as we can all agree outside factors were involved). Granted, we did see a boost back up above 70 million during 2023 which could very well be a sign of things to come, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. Add in inflation and the costs associated with going to the park, MLB losing popularity, more entertaining options, MLB is in a precarious position right now. I’m not saying baseball is dying but it sure isn’t thriving.
mrkinsm
Baseball is doing just fine, all time revenues. Just because they aren’t showing up to the ballpark, doesn’t mean they aren’t watching from their couch at home.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Average attendance per game has barely changed since 2009.
Avg attendance per game 2009: 30,324
Avg attendance per game 2023: 29,293
with attendance beginning to normalize since 2020. I would imagine it will continue to increase this year to get back to the average from 2009.
People have been saying baseball is “dying” since the 1950’s.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Profits and revenue tell a much better story than how the stock market is performing.
Arnold Ziffel
The Colorado Rockies draw well ove 2 million a year and they suck.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
It doesn’t mean they are watching from the couch either. Blackouts are still a thing and have driven people away from watching.
bpskelly
We are sorta at that point where NFL teams were at two, three decades ago trying to extort cities and regions for a new stadium.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Not really. 2 of the teams with attendance issues (Oakland and Tampa) are finally having their stadium issue addressed, which will likely improve attendance (although Tamp still chose a bad location).
The rest of the teams that are in the bottom 5 are just performing badly. If they start winning attendance has proven to increase…just look at Baltimore/Washington/KC/etc. for current/past results.
drewm
Build a stadium with only a few luxury boxes in the middle of a shopping mall, don’t even bother with attendance, focus on having a AAAA broadcast experience
Lanidrac
So a broadcast experience that is better than a AAA team but lousy compared to most MLB standards?
drewm
It’s a gaming reference
Seymour Buttz
I know that this is not a popular opinion but…would and/or could New York host a third team but they would be based in New Jersey(Giants stadium sports complex or the Meadowlands complex). Hear me out: the Rays franchise would transition to NY/NJ. But would or could this work or even an Expansion team in the NY/NJ area?
unpaidobserver
I think you’re right but neither New York team will ever agree to split its market with a third team.
Seymour Buttz
What do you think would need to happen in order for a 3rd NYC/NJ team to play out? I was thinking population wise and financially a new team would most likely be the most successful team when considering all of the other cities and options.
elmedius
Georgia is the state with the highest population that doesn’t already have two teams. Atlanta has no problems with attendance. So if we’re adding to already covered markets; let them have a second team before giving NY a third.
Nashville and Montreal seem like the obvious choices to me. SLC as the back up.
BravesFan2024
No this would be a terrible idea. Atlanta has been fine filling the stadium with the team at peak levels but it wasn’t that long ago they couldn’t even fill SunTrust when they were middle of the division type team.
Braves fans as a whole are not bad fans if you span across the entire country. The city of Atlanta itself does not have a great fanbase for baseball though.
In no way could that city support two baseball teams. Nashville would be the better option if you want another team in the south.
If I was to give another city a second team it would be Boston.
Also the state of Georgia having the highest population without a second team means nothing. You’re talking about the city supporting two teams, not the state.
JRW 2
Portland making a bit of noise with the Diamond project commitments and they are in the mix, and Mexico City is gaining some traction which would be good for the sport..
unpaidobserver
Problem with Mexico City is travel. Wouldnt envy that West Coast Swing.
JRW 2
Completely agreeable with that (X EC) but on the other hand making that swing down the east coast starting in Canada probably isn’t to envious either. LOL…
Lanidrac
You still need a location. The Atlanta metro area isn’t big enough to support two teams on its own, and what Georgia metro area other than Atlanta is large enough to support even a single MLB team?
If we’re talking about a market that already has a team getting another one like NY, LA, Chicago, and Baltimore/D.C., the best choice would actually be Toronto (if judging solely by market size rather than spreading the wealth to a second Canadian city).
Seymour Buttz
Due to New York City being a baseball town(rather than LA a basketball town). The population of the city and with NJ population included would be a more financial stable situation for a 3rd NYC team in my opinion. Plus it would be interesting to see how a new fan base would react. Your thoughts?
mrkinsm
Vancouver would easily support a team.
elmedius
Fair enough. Didn’t think of Toronto. Just definitely don’t think NY would be successful with a third team. Just know the Braves aren’t technically in Atlanta and that metro area is huge and still growing in size and population pretty rapidly. You’re totally right that Georgia doesn’t really have a relevant second city. And honestly don’t like the idea of cities having two teams. Just really hated the NY idea lol.
I stand with Nashville and Montreal as being the most obvious and logical. Puerto Rico could be cool too, but I’m still on SLC as the backup.
Nosferatu Zodd
North Carolinahas basically same population with zero teams. Texas and Flotida seem logical for 3rd team. Tampa isn’t the problem itself. It’s location of stadium.
cuffs2
Just no!!!
TheHighCheese4Me
The talent level isn’t good enough to dilute it at this point. The new franchises would be dumpster fires.
unpaidobserver
Agree.
User 2079935927
It hasn’t been good since the 70’s but you would think with the population bigger and bigger their would be talent . I mean 60 more players out of millions of people. Need more scouting.
unpaidobserver
Scoutings not the issue its the cost. It’s a lot of money to train to be a baseball player and the payoff is waaaaaay too far out.
Tigers3232
@Winsolw, I hope this is a weak attempt at humor and not some utterly false statement driven by nostalgia.
The current US population is roughly 340M opposed to 216M in 1975. MLB has expanded to 30 teams from 24 in 1975. Not to mention the immense growth in international talent in the game. And that’s just the statistics pertaining to the size of current talent pool.
As for scouting, it’s reach is currently exponentially larger than at any point in the games history. In the 70’s a scout would have to be tipped off on a player, personally stumble upon, or in a few cases have video sent. In today’s world we have what is called the “internet”. There are numerous pages dedicated to tracking prep talent, many games can be viewed real time from nearly anywhere, scouts can be easily reached via email or cell phone. Not to mention the numerous academies dedicated to producing young talent both here and abroad.
Then there are the statis, nearly every metric shows players hitting and throwing harder, as well as more movement on the ball. The notion that talent is diluted or there’s a lack of scouting is laughable and outright false. Teams have larger scouting staffs than ever as well as employ entire analytics departments to track scouting and every metric imaginable.
drewm
Every word of that.
Ben T
Not enough talent? That’s a bonkers take. The level of competition has never been higher. Drop any current regular into 1973 and he’d be an all-star.
Os1995
The talent difference between a replacement level player and an average mlb player is about 2 WAR. When compared to the number of games per year, the difference between an average mlb player and a replacement level player is much smaller than in the NBA or NFL.
Lanidrac
The NBA only plays 5 players at once and also has an overall smaller roster size. Of course the difference is much higher in the NBA!
I’m not sure, but the NFL could just be a matter of the sheer difference in games per season not being directly comparable on a linear basis.
Os1995
The point is that the depth is a strength in the MLB. The drop off in talent isn’t as huge as in other sports which makes the MLB prime for expansion because the talent dilution would be barely noticeable and the increase in opportunity for in-person attendance for people who don’t live near a MLB city will bring new fans to the game.
dave frost nhlpa
The owners will love that expansion fee revenue.
Let’s face it we are not talking about rocket scientists but if they were smart they would add 3-6(one per division)
They also need to have the stadium BUILT before first pitch. Construction delays are one thing. The liability of breaking ground is another.
SLC Nashville Montreal Vancouver Charlotte Portland Albuquerque Las Vegas all have a chance. I’d give Oakland one last shot but that building has to be in place.
You can chuckle at Vancouver all you want but it’s huge here. Also the Asian population is huge and can pull players to Canada far easier than the U.S.
imagine if every Sunday home game was family day where they made it affordable-tickets and snacks.
NickTheDev
Why would you go from 30 to 33 or 34 or 35? Those are all logically stupid… when they go to 32 they won’t keep 6 dividions, it will be 4 like it used to be or perhaps 8 (like football does). 36 obviously also maths quite nicely but that would be a ton of expansion and the people saying it would dilute talent would be right about expanding by 6 teams at once like that.
Lanidrac
I don’t think they need to modify the divisions. It’s not a big issue (aside from the schedule makers) to have an extra 6th team in a couple of divisions like the NL Central had from 1998-2012.
John Kappel
I’m really having issues with SLC or Albuquerque getting a team. They are both at higher elevations than Denver and are really small. ABQ is the 32nd largest US city, and SLC is 117th. If the goal is to go to larger cities that can support a team from a population and TV market perspective, San Antonio, Charlotte, Indianapolis, OKC, Nashville, Montreal, and Vancouver should be the cities considered, along with San Juan in Puerto Rico. Large cities, bigger media markets, at not competing with other teams much.
AHH-Rox
SLC is about 1000 feet LOWER than Denver.
And you have to look at the metro area, not just where they happened to draw the city limits.
Lanidrac
True, but the Salt Lake City metro area is smaller than at least a few other options, and MLB would prefer not to have another team at a rather high altitude.
C Yards Jeff
Get creative MLB
I say take it out to 6 teams, but instead of playing at the MLB level they start out playing at a secondary level. The MLB creates a world league that these 6 teams are a part of. The two teams with the best records in their division, the United States division, get promoted to the MLB and the 2 teams with the worst MLB records get “relegated” to this world league (for the up coming season).
Lanidrac
Relegation is one of the stupidest ideas in the history of sports. Keep that junk out of North America!
C Yards Jeff
Disagree Lanidrac. Discourages team owners from tanking.
Lanidrac
Yes but at WAY too great of a cost to the franchises and their cities and fanbases that do wind up getting relegated at various points.
C Yards Jeff
They’re still playing. More importantly, because the competition is from around the world, IMO it draws enough interest to not hurt the investment made by ownership and the city. The fan base will continue to follow thus support it’s existence.
Lanidrac
An inferior league with teams in the same country *NEVER* draws the same kind of interest and *DOES* hurt the investment greatly. That’s partly why minor league teams don’t draw anywhere near as much support as Major League teams.
That’s with or without world competition, which is completely unfeasible in a league setting with the extreme differences in time zones, anyway. For world competition, that’s why we have the World Baseball Classic and sometimes have baseball in the Olympics.
marinersblue96
Portland will never get a MLB franchise. They are squarely in the Mariners media region and there is 0.0% chance they sell those rights. MLB cannot force an owner to sell those rights, their owners are not cash poor like the Orioles who needed the $ from DC.
The article also mentioned San Jose, again 0.0% chance that ever happens. The Giants will never let go of those media rights, if they would then the A’s would of moved there years ago(which is total BS since the A’s owned those rights and only gave them to the Giants so they could get their new stadium built and SF reneged on their deal to give those right back to the A’s after they were able to procure financing)
WillieMaysHayes24
AL East
Baltimore
Boston
NYY
Toronto
AL Central
Chicago
Cleveland
Minnesota
Detroit
AL South
Colorado
Houston
Kansas City
Texas
AL West
LAA
Las Vegas
Salt Lake City
Seattle
NL East
NYM
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Washington
NL Central
Chicago
Cincinnati
Milwaukee
St Louis
NL South
Atlanta
Miami
Nashville
Tampa Bay
NL West
Arizona
LAD
San Diego
San Francisco
NickTheDev
It can be done even better if they are willing to redo the AL/NL into geographic leagues.. Of course all the 90 year old fans will freak out about that, though so probably no way they are willing to go that far.
Appalachian_Outlaw
@NickTheDev- I’m nowhere near 90, and I hate the idea of moving into geographic leagues. Just saying…
pd14athletics
This is cool because 2 weeks ago I sent my friend basically the exact same concept for divisions with expansion. The only variance was I had Oakland being granted an expansion team with the A’s leaving (I’d hope they would be leaving colors and name behind) so Oakland stayed instead of SLC. I had Nashville in a new NL South and I had the exact same new AL South. Only other variance is I had Twins and Reds switching for some reason… probably got too caught up in a map view instead of respecting current division rivalries. Anyways, I thought it was pretty cool to see someone else propose nearly exactly what I had discussed with my friend.
Not a clever name
Willie, not bad, as an alternative I would suggest New Orleans in the AL south and Colorado in the AL west. Salt lake for me just has to many hurdles. You have another issue like Colorado with the elevation, and liquor laws would need to be changed, though they may have already I haven’t been to salt lake in the last 10 years. Also I don’t know if the broadcast market is sufficient, New Orleans has its issues too, but I suspect they could support a team with out cannibalizing Atlanta or Houston’s market to the degree salt lake would Denver’s.
kje76
You realize the Jazz sell alcohol, right? I can’t see that being an issue.
its_happening
Make it 8 teams per division. Old school, old rivalries.
Melchez17
AL West champion with a 60 and 102 record…
Just have an AL and an NL. Take the top team in each and have a world series. The best team over a 162 game schedule against the best team in a 162 game schedule.
People will always complain, but at least we won’t have a .500 team winning the series.
its_happening
Uh, sure. AL and NL one division is fine, but your point is inaccurate. AL West winner wouldn’t be 60-102 and justifying your position here will need serious help.
User 401527550
Replace Charlotte with Nashville and you got a winner.
Lanidrac
The Rockies and the Rays aren’t going to switch leagues just to make the geography a little neater. Plus, if the Rockies are going to weirdly be in a southern division, it might as well be the NL South.
pd14athletics
Switching leagues isn’t that big of a deal in my eyes with universal DH. Bigger thing to me would be switching divisions and rivalries. Maybe unfair to the Rockies and Rays, but I think keeping their NL West/ AL East counterparts in the same division would be more important. More history there between the other teams. Rays I do see some perks – in state rival is now in division. Braves would be a draw. They’d also have an expansion team in Nashville that would be exciting. Rockies swap wouldn’t be as exciting for the team or fans. But some things would need to change up to accommodate 2 new teams. Baseball would most likely go to 4 divisions of 4 teams in each league if they brought the count up to 32 teams. Maybe they’d do a NBA style East and West but I think the 4/4 is much more likely. Anyways division rivals aren’t what they once were. Teams play the rest of the league more than they used to. In division went from 19 times against each division rival to 13 I believe. And with the new format they could map out the schedule however they see fit. Anyways this was just an exercise for fun, I just thought it was funny/cool the original poster had basically the same league layout that I envisioned. I’d be curious to hear your alternate layout.
mgomrjsurf
Not really geographical more like NFL. Orlando already has a Stadium in place.
Lanidrac
Here’s my version with better geography and no league switching:
NL East
Mets
Philliies
Pirates
Nationals
NL Central
Cardinals
Cubs
Brewers
Reds
NL South
Braves
Marlins
Diamondbacks
Nashville/Charlotte
NL West
Rockies
Giants
Dodgers
Padres
AL East
Yankees
Red Sox
Blue Jays
Orioles
AL Central
Twins
Tigers
White Sox
Indians
AL South
Rays
Astros
Rangers
Angels
AL West
Mariners
Las Vegas Athletics
Royals
Salt Lake City / Portland / Vancouver
its_happening
Would rather 8 teams per division, reignite old rivalries and balance the schedule. Eliminates more have-not teams that play in poor divisions.
AL East is still stacked. Divisions are more balanced with more teams.
Lanidrac
OK, with the current 12-team playoffs, that would leave enough Wild Card spots that 8-team divisions would work well enough, certainly a lot better than when there were only 8-team leagues with no Wild Cards.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
Oklahoma. Put them in same division as the two Texas teams and sell it as mlb red river rivalry. Profit
Should also look at states without professional teams. Alabama comes to mind.
mgomrjsurf
Orlando other then cities that have a NFL Team and wi,long to share their Dome/Stadium.
websoulsurfer
Orlando market is owned by the Rays.
Not a clever name
I think New Orleans would beat out any city in Alabama and take less broadcast and merch revenue from Atalanta
Melchez17
“Should also look at states without professional teams. Alabama comes to mind.”
Michigan and Colorado too.
pd14athletics
Detroit Tigers and Colorado Rockies?
Cleon Jones
Weird Al on the wholesome folks of Bama:
“I was feelin’ pretty down
‘Till my girlfriend came around
We’re just so alike in every way
I gotta say
In fact, I just thought I might
Pop the question there that night
I was kissing her so tenderly
But woe is me
Who would have guessed
Her family crest
I’d suddely spy
Tattooed on her thigh
And son-of-a-gun
It’s just like the one on me
Tell me
How was I supposed to know we were both related?
Believe me, if I knew she was my cousin we never would have dated
What to do now? Should I go ahead and propose
And get hitched and have kids with 11 toes
And move to Alabama where that kind of thing is tolerated?”
Lanidrac
There are good reasons why places like Alabama don’t have any top level pro teams.
marinersblue96
You also have to think in terms of corporate $$. There isn’t enough in Alabama to support a professional franchise, better chance for Arkansas to land a team than Bama.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
If there’s enough in Bama to make it a top 5 profitable college in the entire college football system there’s definitely room for an mlb team
marinersblue96
Revenue is one thing, but their NIL is seriously lacking. Saban mentioned that a few times. They don’t even rank top 15 in NIL, that money comes primarily from corporate $.
Alabama would lack in media rights, their TV deal would be the worst in MLB.
Lanidrac
College teams are mostly watched by their alumni (and current student body) regardless of geography. College teams also don’t play 81 home games each year.
Harrison Butker's Mount Rushmore Worthy Speech
NIL money is based on name image likeness of players that a third party corporation pays to said player. Individual players not being marketable is completely different than bama having a huge tv deal because they’re a winning program and separate from corporation money that goes into bama from commercial deals and advertising. Bama got into the 24 playoffs cause they were more marketable than Florida State would have been.
Like everything stars are marketable. That’s true in any sports college minors or pros.
Zerbs63
This is just what we need more areas that blackout MLB games.
NickTheDev
Read the article, they want to fix that FIRST.
deepseamonster32
Hoping for Portland. I know they’re buying a golf course down there hoping to build a ballpark.
JRW 2
Kinda hoping also since I do not really see any Mariners support and it’s just to far. Hoping to catch a Giants Yankees game one of these days.in SFO. I wish Portland understood what a decent complex could bring in the form of solid jobs and business, Not stadium jobs but the solid blue/white collar jobs behind the scenes.
mlbh
Any chance San Diego gets a second team so I can stop rooting for the Padres
websoulsurfer
Oakland has the A’s over a barrel. Both Sacramento and SLC would see Fisher losing $50-70 million per season in TV money and force him to come up with significant cash upfront to make it possible to play in those minor league ballparks.
It appears that the city of Oakland is insisting on two things to extend the A’s lease at the Coliseum. #1 that Oakland be given an expansion team. That is on Manfred and the other owners. #2 that Fisher sell his share of the land that the Coliseum sits on to AASEG. He refused to do so when they offered him $115 million. (He cannot sell without the city’s approval, so who it gets sold to is up to the city)
Fisher holds no leverage in the situation. He either agrees to sell his share of the Coliseum property or he has to move out of Oakland, he loses his TV money, and has to come up with $15-22 million right now for upgrades to the minor league ballpark he moves to.
Fisher would benefit by keeping the $70 million annually from the TV deal and not having to come up with millions he can never recoup for upgrades to a park his team will play in only 3 seasons plus he will get enough money to cover the $55 million he still owes Alameda County for the Coliseum property and another $60 million he can use to build the park in Las Vegas.
So the honus is now on MLB. Will they approve the 1st expansion team going to Oakland and Joe Lacob as the owner?
Tigers3232
They ll negotiate TV contracts with wherever they end up playing if it breaks current media contract. It ll likely then be composed of 3 deals; 1 for temp location, 1 for OAK, and 1 for Vegas. Yes it ll be for a fraction of current deal. TV deals in general are worth less in wake of Bally’s fiasco. OAK’s market is clearly diminished. The temp location will probably do well ticket wise bit be a tough draw for broadcasting, and Vegas’s enthusiasm is probably not all that strong at this point. I could see them salvaging $35-40M tho with 3 new TV deals. The other $30-35M will be wrote off which will lower the loss significantly by lowering taxable revenue.
As for OAK ever receiving another franchise, I’d say there mayor has slammed any crack in that door. This will be 3rd pro sports team to leave. The local government does not seem easy to deal with, and if/when A’s leave SF will vehemently lay claim to that territory from that point forward.
I’m not trying to be a naysayer or talk down on the hopes of A’s fans, I’m just stating reality. As far A’s fans, I truly feel horrible for them. I’d be irrate I’d any of Detroits teams left, especially the Tigers. It’s beyond unfortunate how the sports landscape has shifted on them.
John Kappel
I also heard that Oakland is saying to stay for the next couple of years, Fisher has to give up the rights to the name of the A’s and all the team records. it would be a if Vegas was a brand new team, and whenever baseball comes back to Oakland, they would just be the A’s again.
Tigers3232
OAk’s Mayor has tried to use that as leverage. SEA did the same thing and was successful with the Sonics. I don’t see MLB or A’s Franchise even entertaining that option. The A’s name and brand has a rich history, far more valuable than any potential media deal losses. And it’s unlikely OAK is ever going to get another Franchise after their local governments hard line negotiating stance.
LordD99
But the new team won’t be the A’s. The Athletics as an organization have been around since 1903. Philadelphia, Kansas City, Oakland, and next Las Vegas. Why would the city even care about the name. They should care about getting a team. Their concern should be in trying to get MLB to consider them as a future expansion or relocation city, not in keep an historic baseball name that doesn’t belong to the city. Even if the Athletics gave up their name, they can move to Vegas, call themselves the Aces, which will become quickly the A’s!
Os1995
Las Vegas already has a professional sports team called the Aces.
elvis26
I hope Nashville and Portland Oregon get expansion teams!!!
LordD99
The current owners will not want to split their revenue pie with two new teams unless they’re sure they can add to the pie.
mrkinsm
They absolutely will…because of the ridiculous expansion fees that each new owner will have to pay to the current 30 ownership groups.
LordD99
That’s the balance. It will happen, but it’s been a key issue on why expansion hasn’t happened in a long time.
mrkinsm
Expansion hasn’t happened because the clubs that currently exist have to have stadium deals first. If TB and OAK had locked in stadiums 10 years ago MLB would have already expanded.
its_happening
The injection of new cash was needed 2-3 years ago. Did not need to wait for the Rays and A’s situation to be fixed when new money would have helped the league as a whole. At least $3-billion divided by 30 teams would have gone a long way.
User 401527550
Yes those Billionaires sure needed the money two years ago.
its_happening
The entire league couldve used the money. This goes beyond owners and players (grounds crew, stadium workers, office people day to day, renovations etc).
But hey, if you want to go crowdless and fire a majority of workers by all means. I don’t agree with your position to get rid of jobs but you’re entitled to that stance.
User 401527550
Do a majority of workers get fired? When did that happen?
its_happening
Can happen. What, you really think hourly workers didn’t get hit hard in 2020 with only 60 games played? I know for a fact some Blue Jay employees were let go in 2021 thanks to no ballgames, while others didn’t work for nearly 2 years.
Stop making this about owners. You don’t know the game’s history if that is the BS stance you want to take.
User 401527550
What would have expansion done to change that? They got covered just like everyone else by government programs when people didn’t go to work. So they got extra unemployment benefits of more then what they were being paid for two years for not working. Not sure what that has to do with baseball expansion fees. That money isn’t going to hourly workers.
its_happening
Job creation? 10 more minor league affiliates? New money? Think beyond the players, please.
Your billionaire owner point is useless but thanks.
Lanidrac
They did need to wait simply to see if one or the other was going to relocate to a potential expansion city. Now MLB can cross Las Vegas off their list of options.
its_happening
That’s the claim. I hear you, Lanidrac, but there are a good 5-6 viable cities for MLB teams IMO. As much as they needed to deal with the Rays and A’s, I believe they should have done both. Or, expanded and hoped the new money could have assisted those two teams in-particular.
I think it was more a want than a need.
Lanidrac
The point is that it would’ve been extremely awkward to suddenly need to cut off expansion negotiations with one or two of those candidate cities when it turns out that another team is going to relocate there instead. Then they’d suddenly need to start negotiating with Oakland and/or Tampa/St. Petersburg as new candidates to get an expansion team by trying to replace the team that just left.
Meanwhile, the people in those cities trying to land a team would find it very difficult to simultaneously lobby and negotiate for a relocated team and an expansion team at the same time.
BadlyBent
Boston should get an expansion team. There used to be a team there and they were quite popular.
deweybelongsinthehall
Yes but MLB would fix it as to who the owners would be. They would get the fans going by winning at first, spending and creating buzz only to then switch things for corporate greed…
BadlyBent
Maybe if John Henry plays nice and sells the Sox, they will help fulfill his dream of owning Tampa Bay.
John Kappel
I really don’t think red Sox fans have and reason to complain. Your team has 4 titles in the last 20 years. You average a title every 5 years……
Thec’s
Half the league is floundering and several teams can’t even compete because of payroll. There is not enough quality pitching to go around now and you want to add more teams? The best thing that could happen is to reduce the number of teams. This version of baseball that the MLB is producing is very sub par and is going to demise the game. People can’t afford to take their families to the games or pay for TV subscriptions. This is a joke!
Manfred’s playing with the balls
Yeah just make it Yankees vs dodgers every year.
I swear some of you arguing less teams make it harder for big markets are foolish. Expanding the field increases odds of upset no matter how your simple brain wants to frame expansion
deepseamonster32
Less quality pitchers = more runs!
joeseadog
In 1962 there were 500 players good enough to play major league baseball, and 400 players in the 3 AAA league’s of top farm teams. Now in year 2024 there are still 500 players good enough to play major league baseball spread through out 750 Major League roster spots, with 750 more waiting in 30 AAA minor league affiliates. The dilution of talent is stunning, yet they seem hell bent on expansion. Why not dissolve some cities on the list and move them to the preferred expansion sites. Does anyone really believe that the Rays or Marlins will still be in Florida in 5 years, that the A’s will find success in Las Vegas? The locals will have to support the A’s, because no one goes to Vegas to see a baseball game, they go to gamble and cheat on their spouses. Locals won’t support baseball in Vegas, at least to the tune of 1.5 million fans a year. The Rays, Royals, Marlins and A’s drew less than 1.5 million fans last year, the finished 3rd, last, 3rd, and last respectively in their divisions. Unless things change, they should each begin exploring moving. I actually believe the Royals will turn things around, but the other 3 chances of that is hoping against hope. Once the hot weather hits, no one wants to sit out in a game in Florida. The Rays have a domed ballpark, but it is a cold, dank dump. When I lived in Albany, NY I went to 10 MLB games between Yankees, Red Sox, and Orioles (at times The Mets, or Nationals) Each is at least 3 to 4 hour drives, but I love baseball. Here in Florida I can get to The Trop in 20-25 minutes, I’ve been 3 or 4 times in my 6 years here, a terrible place to see a game. I buy the MLB baseball package through Spectrum to compensate. No expansion please, just move failing franchises to better locations. The talent pool can’t suffer another diluted hit.
cah011381
How about Montreal and Mexico City? One in the east, one in the west, and gives each team an entire country as a fan base.
aragon
Do you want to go to Mexico City to watch a game? Good luck!
John Kappel
Even more than wanting to go, it’s at a higher elevation than Denver ……
cah011381
I don’t, but I guarantee people there would show up and that place would sell out every game. There are a lot of places I don’t want to go to watch a game, but it’s not really about me.
User 401527550
How about not. Let’s take care of People here that want to watch baseball.
LordD99
Players and their families will have little interest in making their careers in Mexico City.
HEHEHATE
Nashville is next. Way too much momentum on that one not to make it happened. Surprised orioles didn’t go that route considering the media split with Washington. Might have been in their best interests financially, but I’m glad the 2nd best part in baseball is t going anywhere anytime soon because of it.
TigerFanFromIndiana
San Antonio has the largest population without a team and should strongly be considered. Nashville should be able to support a team
D Backs GM
I think the divisions should be based on revenues. Putting teams of similar revenues together. That way all teams will be forced to maximize spending because when only 4 teams and 1 in 4 each year guaranteed playoffs and then wildcards as well. Then maybe the need for luxury tax would not be as great. Picture dodgers, Giants, Astros, and rangers all in same division. Yankees, Red Sox, Toronto, and Cubs. Braves, Mets, Phillies, and Nationals. Dbacks, Padres, Rockies, Angels. Baltimore, marlins, rays, expansion. Cleveland, Red’s, Milwaukee, Minnesota. White Sox, expansion, Detroit, royals. This would help to keep teams competitive and give lower revenue clubs a shot.
wylie K MITCHELL
instead of expansion, replace some of the cheap teams. you know the ones that get 30 mil in revenue sharing but their payroll is $50mil?
I.M. Insane
Expansion is the last thing MLB needs right now.
splooz
Great….2 more teams that won’t sign anyone during the offseason!
Old York
I’d prefer a relegation system to move bad teams out of the league but if the league wants to expand, it needs to expand to Tokyo, Osaka & Seoul not cities like Las Vegas & Salt Lake City.
BrettPhillips for Prezident
The titans picked a bad time to build a city funded stadium. Hopefully they can get it built ahead of schedule and still have plans in place for Nashville.
joeseadog
I mentioned before about diluted player pools, can you imagine when you were growing up, everyday players batting low .200’s or below and playing every day? I believe we always made exception for Clete Boyer who usually hit around .225-.240 because he was such a great fielder, he was a regular. Now he might bat 5th or 6th in todays game.
LordD99
Access to player talent is higher than it’s ever been in the game’s history.
Cleon Jones
Dyersville Iowa would welcome a franchise. They have a stadium and plenty of corn.
drewm
If we weren’t so racist and nationalist we would immediately drop a franchise in Mexico City
jhanley108
MLB Teams want to move, replace perfectly fine 20 yr old stadiums w/ public $, gambling in stadiums, .215 hitters are considered “great” because of stat nerds, pitchers can’t throw complete games and finally over 3/4 of the teams are terrible because owners don’t care about winning and they want to add more teams. Yay
Os1995
The expansion of MLB seems like a no brainer. MLB has the deepest talent pools of the professional sports leagues (in terms of difference between average and replacement level player). Additionally from a financial model it makes sense because MLB has the largest fraction of it’s revenue coming from stadium ticket sales which are known to increase with the additional sites. The additional teams give people in the new cities a chance to watch MLB games without having to travel.
Enrico Pallazzo
Nothing against Salt Lake City itself or the potential fans there but this seems like a terrible idea. How have we not learned our lesson from the Rockies? Trying to play MLB at that elevation is an entirely different game. You might as well be playing on the moon.
LordD99
Moon? Elon Musk enters the chat.
Seymour Buttz
MLB Realignment
AL East
NYYankees
Blue Jays
Red Sox
Phillies
Pirates
AL Central
Guardians
Tigers
White Sox
Reds
Brewers
AL West
Angels
Mariners
Athletics
Diamondbacks
Rangers
NL East
Mets
Orioles
Nationals
Marlins
Rays
NL Central
Cubs
Cardinals
Royals
Twins
Braves
NL West
Giants
Dodgers
Padres
Rockies
Astros
Thoughts?
LordD99
I don’t see them breaking up the rivalry between the Mets and Phillies. I expect they could create some form of a “south” division in each league. Astros, Rangers, Rays and O’s in one, Braves, Nashville, Miami, Diamondbacks in another, or some intermix between the two. Eliminating the AL and NL entirely and creating regional divisions has been tossed about, but I don’t see that happening.
Bucsfan4ever
Nashville will definitely be one of the expansion teams. Salt Lake City, Portland, Vancouver, or Sacramento could be the second team. Oakland will never get another team
CarolinaCubsandKush
North Carolina needs MLB more than other markets. All metrics are there. No teams within 4-5 hours. Tons of good college baseball and recruits in the area. End this tragedy please.
Hamhock
I’d like to see an expansion to 36 teams over a ten year period (two each in 2029, 2034, and 2039). It would cross off all of the most likely/viable cities and we’d finally stop arguing about it.
kje76
I can’t see this working. 2 is a big deal, but 6 might be too far a split for the owners.
Are there any functioning major sports leagues this large?
cuffs2
Both Nashville and Salt Lake City are very small markets for major league baseball. More suitable markets include Charlotte, San Antonio/Austin, Portland, Sacramento and Montreal. All of which have larger markets. Important when trying to sell tickets to 81 home games . Now Nashville and Salt Lake do have the population to support other sports. Baseball however has historically needed a population in excess of 3 million to support a team.