Last night’s trade of Corbin Burnes took baseball by surprise. With spring training less than two weeks away and the Brewers having just spent $34MM to sign Rhys Hoskins for the next two seasons, the general expectation had been that the team planned to hold onto top stars like Burnes, Willy Adames and Devin Williams, despite the trio inching closer to free agency. (Burnes and Adames are free agents next winter, Williams after the 2025 season.) The Orioles, however, clearly came through with an offer that Milwaukee general manager felt he couldn’t turn down, and in the wake of the trade Arnold acknowledged that he’s “certainly open to more conversations” and “wouldn’t shut any conversations down at this point in the offseason” (link via Adam McCalvy of MLB.com).
That’s a far cry from a declaration that the Brewers are open for business, but both Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic and Mark Feinsand of MLB.com report that Williams, in particular, is also a possibility to move. Rosenthal writes that the Brewers have already “entertained” the possibility of moving the star righty.
Williams, 29, is among the game’s most dominant relievers. Over the past four seasons, he’s logged a 1.75 ERA while striking out a staggering 40.5% of his opponents. Williams’ 11.9% walk rate is well above the league average, but his prodigious strikeout ability, strong 49.5% ground-ball rate and knack for inducing weak contact (85.1 mph average exit velocity, 28.2% hard-hit rate) have all combined to help him mitigate that shaky command.
Excellent as he’s been, Williams isn’t the prototypical power-armed closer we see so often in today’s game. That’s not to suggest he’s a soft-tosser, but he doesn’t brandish the triple-digit heater that’s become increasingly common in modern baseball. Williams averaged 94.2 mph on his fastball in 2023 — an exact match with the league average for relievers — and sits at 94.8 mph dating back to 2020. However, Williams has one of the game’s best pitches, an 80-grade changeup nicknamed the “airbender.” Nearly a quarter of the changeups Williams has thrown in his career (23.1%) have generated a swinging strike. Opponents have batted just .137 and slugged only .199 against the pitch in his career.
Beyond his sheer dominance, Williams is eminently affordable. He agreed to a one-year, $7.25MM deal last month and tacked on a $10.5MM club option for the 2025 campaign, thus avoiding the need for an arbitration hearing this year or next. The value of that club option will likely increase based on some escalators that are baked into the contract. Pitching in 52 games would bump the option value by $200K, while reaching 57 and 62 appearances would add $250K each, plus another $300K for 66 games (which would establish a new career-high, topping 2022’s 65 games). Even if Williams unlocks that full $1MM worth of escalators, an $11.5MM option on a reliever of this caliber would still be a clear bargain.
It should be noted and emphasized that there’s no indication Milwaukee is aggressively shopping Williams or anyone else on the roster. This, however, is the manner in which the Brewers (and Arnold’s former organization, the Rays) have continually operated: maintain an openness on star players as their club control dwindles — particularly those who are likely beyond the organization’s comfort level in terms of asking price on an extension.
Flexibility when it comes to moving short-term players with one to two years of club control is a driving factor in how the Brewers have remained competitive regularly despite perennially ranking in the bottom half of the league in terms of payroll. The trade of Josh Hader at the 2022 deadline netted the Brewers left-hander Robert Gasser (one of their current top pitching prospects) and outfielder Esteury Ruiz, who was subsequently flipped for William Contreras, who won a Silver Slugger as Milwaukee’s starting catcher last season. Hader himself came to Milwaukee alongside Adrian Houser in a trade sending Carlos Gomez to Houston. Right-hander Freddy Peralta, now the Brewers’ top starter, was acquired as a 19-year-old in a trade sending first baseman Adam Lind to Seattle. The list goes on.
Any trade involving Williams will surely require a steep asking price — arguably a comparable or even greater return than Burnes commanded, given his extra year of club control and more affordable contract status. And Williams, like Burnes, figures to be a qualifying offer candidate once he’s able to reach free agency, meaning a new team would know that so long as he remains healthy, there’ll be some draft pick compensation to help recoup the value surrendered in order to acquire him in the first place.
It stands to reason that with Burnes out the door and at least a willingness to listen on Williams, the Brewers have similar thoughts on Adames. The 28-year-old broke out almost immediately after being traded from Tampa Bay to Milwaukee in 2021, when the Brewers sent righties Drew Rasmussen and J.P. Feyereisen to the Rays in exchange for Adames and righty Trevor Richards.
In two and a half seasons as a Brewer, Adames has slashed .242/.319/.454 with 75 homers, 86 doubles and a pair of triples in 1668 plate appearances — all while playing strong defense at a premium position. He’s walked at a 10% clip against a 26% strikeout rate and established himself as a power threat who can hit anywhere in the order, evidenced by 2022’s 31-homer showing. Adames has turned in 17 Defensive Runs Saved and 26 Outs Above Average in the past two seasons alone. He’ll earn a reasonable $12.25MM in 2024 before becoming a free agent ahead of his age-29 season.
As with Burnes, Adames will be a slam-dunk qualifying offer candidate next season. He’s extremely likely to receive and reject a QO, and he’d surely sign a contract worth more than $50MM in total with his next team. That’d give Milwaukee a compensatory pick at the end of the first round of the 2025 draft. Any trade offers would need to eclipse that value — and likely by a strong margin.
That said, the acquisition of Joey Ortiz in the Burnes trade makes it easier for the Brewers to listen to offers. Ortiz himself is a shortstop — and an MLB-ready one at that. He struggled in a tiny sample during last year’s MLB debut (34 plate appearances, .212/.206/.242) but is an accomplished upper-minors hitter who’s considered a good defender at shortstop. The 25-year-old Ortiz spent the bulk of the 2023 season in Triple-A Norfolk, where he slashed .321/.378/.507. That marked his second stint in Norfolk, as he also finished out the 2022 season there and hit well in a sample of 115 plate appearances. Overall, in 504 trips to the plate at Triple-A, Ortiz is a .327/.383/.521 hitter with 13 homers, 37 doubles, six triples and 17 steals.
Of course, as a plus defender at shortstop, Ortiz is more than capable of breaking into the big leagues as an everyday second baseman or third baseman. He and Adames can absolutely coexist on Milwaukee’s roster, and Ortiz could easily slide over to shortstop in 2025 if the team hangs onto Adames for the upcoming season. The Brewers surely don’t feel they need to trade Adames, but as Arnold strongly implied, he also won’t be turning anyone away on principle, either.
That willingness to listen could set the stage for another splashy trade or even two between now and Opening Day, but this isn’t an A’s-esque situation where the Brewers will be selling everything that’s not nailed down. Burnes commanded a pair of immediate big leaguers who both have six years of club control remaining. Any trades of Williams, Adames and/or anyone else on the roster would presumably need to afford similar near-term help.
The Brewers’ recent signing of Hoskins and focus on MLB-ready talent even in trading away their ace highlights the fact that this isn’t a team punting on 2024. Rather, they’re trying to thread the needle of remaining competitive on an annual basis without needing to undergo the exact type of teardown that Burnes’ new team underwent for a half decade prior to emerging as a powerhouse in the AL East. Teams will undoubtedly check back in on Williams, Adames and others in the wake of the Burnes blockbuster, but further trades aren’t necessarily a given.
Blackpink in the area
I like Adames going to either the Giants or Dodgers. Gavin Lux is from Wisconsin that might be a good fit there. Last night I was thinking the Giants could swap Keaton Winn for him but the Giants traded Stripling. Maybe Schmitt would make sense for the Brewers and Giants.
Mojo37
With Ortiz on board there’s no Brew need for Lux from the Dodgers for Adames (or part thereof). That’s now old news. Love to have Adames in LA but I don’t see a fit. Rather deal for Williams.
eddiemathews
You can have both for Emmet Sheehan…
Mojo37
@ eddiem Sold
Blackpink in the area
Sheehan isn’t any good.
LAKERS RULE!
Sheehan is one of the most valued young pitchers the Dodgers have
vtadave
Take this L
JerseyShoreScore
Please cite evidence to support a baseless opinion!
B-rocker
That is ignorant
gww4488
Id like to see the Phillies acquire Williams, maybe Bryan Rincon, Eduardo Tait, Rudolfo Castro and Dylan Covwy for D.Williams & a prospect in the 25-40 range for MIL?
Blackpink in the area
Brewers are using Ortiz at 3b. They have Turang and would add Lux. And you can always use 4 guys to cover those 3 spots 3b, ss and 2b. I think the fit for the Brewers is quite good. With Lux and Ortiz and a still unproven Turang they could easily fit 4 guys into those 3 positions.
Mojo37
I like your thinking.
eddiemathews
Black is playing third. Turang will be at AAA to get regular at bats. They have Dunne and Monasterio for utility.
Blackpink in the area
Black is a mid season call up. Turang will be on the roster opening day and most likely starting.
Seamaholic
Nah. Their 3B isn’t in the team yet. Ortiz is way too good a SS to play him anywhere else. Would be total waste.
Blackpink in the area
It’s not a waste to play a shortstop at 3b it really isn’t. And what other 3b is available? Not a lot left.
minor league guy
if the brewers clear out the salaries of adames and williams, it stands to mention that they could be in the market thsn for Chapman, who on a 3-4 year deal could solidify 3B and the middle of the lineup for years…
sandytolan
I’m guessing you don’t actually follow the Brewers. Turang is at this point a utility or back-to-AAA player until he proves otherwise. The Brewers also have Black who will likely start on the IF and DH. And Monasterio is excellent utility depth, Also they traded for Oliver Dunn.. They don’t need or want Lux. He also has only three years of remaining control. The Brewers would be looking for more – witness the Ortiz and Hall with six years of control each, coming back for Burnes.
Seamaholic
Huh? If they trade Adames it certainly won’t be for another SS. That’s why they got Ortiz. And the Giants best position player prospect is a SS, and he’s MLB ready. Neither make any sense. If Adames is available watch the Marlins, in exchange for a SP.
Blackpink in the area
Ortiz can play 2b and 3b. Turang can play multiple positions too. Ortiz is no sure thing neither is Turang or Lux. There is plenty of room for Lux.
The Giants have a good prospect at short but he’s not quite ready yet they could use a bridge to get to him.
The Marlins aren’t playing to win in 2024. No sense in trading young pitching for a 1 year rental.
Seamaholic
What makes you say that re Marlins? They’re coming off a playoff season.
Blackpink in the area
They lost Alcantara will lose Soler and have done almost nothing this offseason. They dint look like a team trying to contend at all.
sandytolan
Honestly, there’s zero chance that happens – see my post above about why the Brewers would not want Lux. BUT how about Adames for Dustin May and RHP prospect Kyle Hurt?
MLB Casino
Ask Vegas why the odds are 3 to 1 to make the playoffs, the under over at 78.5 for the Marlins. Don’t the oddsmakers know about last years playoffs?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dodgers trade Frasso, Stone, Ferris, Sheehan, Knack and Vargas,
In return for Williams and Adames.
Who says no?
Blackpink in the area
Probably the Dodgers but that seems pretty close to me. I don’t think the Dodgers can afford to give up all that young pitching that’s at least 4 not sure who Knack is.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
London Knack is a 26 yo RHP prospect, former 2nd rounder, so yes, 5 quality pitching prospects plus Vargas, for one year of Adames and two years of Williams
vtadave
The fact it seems pretty close to you says a lot about you.
Blackpink in the area
I made my own suggestion. Perhaps you should address that instead of a comment I made about someone elses.
Trotski
There is no way the Dodgers are trading 4 pitchers of their 40 man roster, not with the uncertainty in the MLB rotation. I think it’s more likely those 4 combine for 30+ starts this year than that.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
You are getting one year of Adams and two years of Williams at cheap (arbitration) salaries. You will not get both of them without paying through the nose. Stone, Grasso and Ferris would need to be in deal, along with Vargas. Maybe either Sheehan or Knack could be replaced with Cartaya.
Rotation could be Yamamoto, Glasgow, Miller, Buehler, Yarborough, with Kershaw and May coming back in second half of season to kick Yarborough into bullpen.
Or maybe the Dodgers don’t need Adames – maybe just Stone, Ferris and Frasso for two years of Williams. And Dodgers hold onto Sheehan and Knack for depth, and Vargas and Cartaya can be moved in a separate deal mid-season. But Williams to the Dodgers would be really helpful come post-season. Brewers should only trade Devin is they are over-whelmed because he has both 2024 and 2025 with them.
Blackpink in the area
Ferris is very valuable Cubs should not have traded him. Trade simulator says the Dodgers are giving up far too much but they do tend to overrated Dodgers prospects.
its_happening
Grasso, or Nick Frasso?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Frasso
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Plus Paxton!
Seamaholic
Brewers don’t have enough roster spots for all those guys.
Butter Biscuits
That is an obscene return amount for Devin plus Dodgers don’t need adames
Blackpink in the area
Who’s the Dodgers opening day shortstop?
They could use Adames.
leftcoaster
Lux
Blackpink in the area
And Lux is a complete unknown at this point. Dodgers could use Adames.
leftcoaster
That a wild overpay for the Dodgers, especially for a 1 year rental.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Even better if it takes less than Stone, Frasso and Ferris from Dodgers for Devin Williams.
But the Dodgers clearly have a team that makes the post-season, now they should focus on what could help them on the post-season. Trading three top starting pitching prospects for two years of Devin Williams at a cheap salary is not unreasonable.
its_happening
If the Dodgers are looking at the Brewers they should consider Adames too. Stabilize D at short. Once he walks in free agency they can focus on Bichette either by trade or find a stopgap in 2025 before they sign him.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Well, Frasso is injured and out in 2024.
mustache101
Williams is not a one year rental and there’s no arb for his second year he’s signed to avoid arb so it’s 2 years plus you can then offer a q offer
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Brewers didn’t get much for Burnes. They ain’t getting all that for Adames and Williams….
mustache101
Burns is a rental Williams is not the price will be higher he’s cheap and there’s no arb for him he signed a pretty friendly deal for his talent for both years for the best reliever in baseball let alone you can get the cheap price and you can offer a qualifying offer yet…. Not the same burns was a rental that’s representative is Scott Boris he’s going market period
gww4488
I think an Adames deal to LA is a good fit for Lux & one of Sheehan/D.May/Graterol(or a top 10-15 prospect?
acoss13
I didn’t think the Brewers would be so quick to trade Burnes, I figured they’d wait until the trade deadline to see if they were in contention, which by all accounts should be since they still had a really good team, but now, everyone is on the table I suppose.
I guess this is the way they best operate, trade them when it’s time to restock the farm and retool for another run down the road with a new group.
Blackpink in the area
Once Woodruff got hurt they were in trouble. I think they did the right thing. If Hoskins bounces back he will be dealt mid season I imagine. Adames is as good as gone and Williams probably gets moved here soon too.
How about this trade idea?
Cease
Robert
Santos
For
Armstrong
Horton
Cassie
Wicks
Rivas
That would make the Cubs the clear division favorite and legit contender. Lot of prospects but Cubs have 8 guys in the top 110 right now so losing 3 of them isn’t going to destroy the farm.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
Probably not enough
Joe Robbins
Definitely not enough.. Nice dream though.
acoss13
You make a valid point about Woodruff, he’s a guy that the Brewers could have really used in 2024, but shoulder injuries are hard to come back from.
I think Hoyer would pull the trigger on that trade, but the White Sox say no because Robert alone is quite valuable since he’s affordable, young, and has years before hitting free agency but it’s nice to dream haha!
Blackpink in the area
How often does a top 20 prospect get dealt these days? And 3 in the top 50 when was the last time that happened? I suppose you could leave Santos out or replace him with Crochet instead.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
Remember the Soto deal? There were a bunch of those dealt.
Blackpink in the area
Highest ranked prospect in the Soto deal was Thorpe at 85. This is 3 top 50 guys.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
I meant the year before. Gore was top 10, Abrahms was top 10, and Hassell was somewhere near that.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
Wood was top 10, too.
Blackpink in the area
I don’t believe both Gore and Abrams were top 10. Perhaps at one point and time each were but not when dealt. And I think the Padres overpaid for Soto.
Blackpink in the area
I think you make a good point that the package for Soto was comparable. And Robert and Cease is better than Soto. I just think the Padres overpaid.
Seamaholic
Admittedly I don’t know the Cubs system very well, but Robert on his own is one of the most valuable assets in the game, and then you’re piling the best available SP on top of that. If the guys from the Cubs you’re suggesting aren’t at least 3 of their top 5 prospects, fuhgettaboutit.
Blackpink in the area
That’s definitely 3 of the Cubs top 5 prospects. Like I said 3 of them are top 50 prospects in all of baseball. And Wicks and Rivas aren’t junk they are both valuable too.
drasco036
The Cubs wouldn’t deal Horton, for Robert, most likely they would be willing to part with PCA though.
Oddly enough, I’m a pretty big Cubs fan but not sure who Rivas is.
MLB.com has 7 Cubs in their top 100, other sites have Wicks in the top 100 and Ballesteros.
Cease to me isn’t a need for the Cubs, they have Horton and they are not trading Horton but in this scenario, I would could see the Cubs package look similar to:
PCA
Brown
Cassie or Alcantara
Morel
Wicks or Assad
And then you would get into the lesser but still valuable guys like Canario (almost certainly), Hernandez, Mervis, Davis etc.
If you look at the trade package, it would give the White Sox a really solid return with a few negatives, most those guys are 40 man roster players, several are major league ready (wicks, Assad, PCA, morel, Canario) so the Sox would have to make several other moves to accommodate that type of trade.
drasco036
Both the Cubs and White Sox say no.
Blackpink in the area
If the deal includes Cease and Robert then Horton certainly wouldn’t be off limits.
drasco036
It certainly would be off limits. Robert is very good but really has only had one healthy season. There is risk involved in dealing for him. While Cease is a 2/3 starter, you’re not going to deal Horton who has ace upside for a 2/3 starter.
Cease has value but the Cubs don’t need him ergo, they are not going to break the bank for him. Robert also isn’t going to get the Cubs to let go of Horton, PCA they will because Robert would make PCA redundant. Cease doesn’t make Horton redundant and the Cubs have plenty of quality prospects to offer instead. Horton would be a deal breaker
Blackpink in the area
Cease has ace upside to say he doesn’t is silly. When you finish second in Cy Younf voting you have ace upside.
Cubs could get Cease and Robert and be instant legit contenders for the next 2 years.
You could take Horton and Cease both out of the proposal. But then the Cubs don’t have the pitching to make them legit contenders.
drasco036
Cubs have more than enough pitching to be contenders. Steele, Imanaga, Hendricks and Taillon are a solid group of four, Steele is every bit of a 1/2, Hendricks and Taillon are solid 3s and Imanaga is a wild card.
Wicks is considered one of the top lefty prospects, Assad has done nothing but be good and the Cubs have Brown and Horton in the minors, both have potential to be TOR starters, Horton has a much higher floor than Brown though.
Ceases upside to me is 2/3. I get he had an amazing year but had a more pedestrian FIP and XERA that season. He’s Thor, he’s good, great when he is on but you pencil him at three. Two only if you are desperate.
Blackpink in the area
Steele is an ace. But after that it’s a lot of question marks. Imanaga is a complete unknown. Hendricks is at the end of his career. Taillon wasn’t good last year. Wicks is a solid number 4 or 5 but nothing more.
In 2022 Cease was 2nd in Cy Young voting. That’s ace upside whether you like it or not. He would be a great number 2 and completely change the Cubs rotation from decent to good.
drasco036
Hendricks is 34 and not at the end of his career. Taillon pitched well in the second half. Assad has 18 starts and an era under 3 in those starts. Wicks, again, is one of the top left handed prospects in the game. Imanaga you can say the same about Wicks having success against even better competition. You can say question marks all you want but the Cardinals would be doing back flips if they had those same “question marks”.
The Cubs do not need Cease. The Cubs would not give up Horton to get him nor would they need to.
Blackpink in the area
Neither the Cubs nor Cardinals have a legit number 2 starter. If you want to keep pace with the Cardinals then sure the Cubs are doing a good job this offseason. If you want to be a legit contender bigger moves are needed.
drasco036
And in the Cardinals case, they don’t have a 3 or a 4 but they have a bunch of 5s! Cubs are at least stacked with 3s.
IF the Cubs need more pitching, they will address it at the deadline.
If the Cubs miss out on Bellinger and Chapman, then they can worry about dealing a bunch of prospects but before I even consider sending a bunch of prospect to the White Sox I’d have to see both those guys sign elsewhere.
I like Robert but he doesn’t get on base and strikes out a ton. Trading for him is just as risky as signing Bellinger
Blackpink in the area
Mikolas and Matz is darn similar to Hendriks and Taillon. I can be honest about what the Cardinals are. If you can’t be honest about the Cubs no sense in talking to you.
Signing Bellinger to an enormous contract looks like Heyward 2.0. That’s far riskier than trading prospects. And Chapman is no longer a fit.
drasco036
Well, given Bellinger hasn’t signed yet and he suitors are down, “enormous” seems highly unlikely and I also don’t see how it’s far more risky, because Bellinger was hurt for two years?
We will revisit how bad Bellingers contract is in a couple years when everyone is eating crow.
I am be honest about what the Cubs have, Taillon is a three, Hendricks is a three. Imanaga is most likely a 3 with 2 upside. We have two pitchers in the five hole with 3/4 upside. On top of that we still have Wesneski who will be battling for that last spot along with Horton and Brown in the minors.
The Cubs rotation is just like their offense, better than average but not great. They do however have a great defense behind them
Did you learn how FIP was calculated yet?
Blackpink in the area
Taillon isn’t a 3. Hendriks is maybe a 3 not a particularly good one. Imanaga is a complete unknown he could be the pitching version if Fukudome for all we know. No way he’s a number 2. Anyone on the planet would take Cease over Imanaga.
Maybe the Cubs sign Bellinger. And if it’s for the right price I would say good for them. But it’s probably going to be an ugly contract.
its_happening
Cubs may not need Cease but they need a SP if they want to be contenders. This is a .500 team even in that division right now.
Blackpink in the area
It’s happening I agree. Their rotation simply isn’t good enough.
Could sign Montgomery and trade for Robert. Not sure they want to spend that much but if so that could work. Armstrong, Cassie and Wicks seems about right.
its_happening
Yep. Too late in the offseason to soft rebuild.
drasco036
You’re right again, let’s look at what their era+ has to say:
Steele 146= Ace
Hendricks 120 = number two
Assad 147 = Ace
Wicks 102 = third starter
Taillon 93 = fourth starter just outside three but has pitched to a 3rd starter or better his entire career outside of last season
Hum…
Oh and the Fukudome of pitching? You realize Fukudome posted an ops+ better than league average every year he played for the Cubs outside his rookie season right? Of course not. So I’ll take it, the Fukudome of pitching, a guy who posts better than league average numbers, ie a third starter.
Blackpink in the area
Lol Assad is an ace?
Yeah we are done. Take it easy.
its_happening
Assad was an ace character in 24.
drasco036
Does it hurt when stats do not back your opinion since you’re mister stat man? Mr FIP, Mr Exit velo?
Womp womp, maybe you should stop popping off at the mouth about stuff you don’t understand.
Blackpink in the area
You said Assad is an ace. You are clueless. Again I can talk to a Cubs fan with sense but this loser homer stuff I can’t do. Take it easy.
Joirgro 2
If Adames were to be traded, it would have to be for young pitching, the Brewers do not need another young shortstop. For all the Brewers disappointment over the years they’ve always been able to find a closer. I certainly wouldn’t shop Williams but if an unbelievable offer came along they should listen.
Mojo37
With Ortiz on board there’s no need for Lux from the Dodgers for Adames (or part thereof). That’s now old news.
Blackpink in the area
Mojo
What kind of loser comment is that?
You have no clue what you are talking about.
Mojo37
Lighten up expert.
Blackpink in the area
That was a loser comment. Old news??? Grow up little boy.
Mojo37
Always enriching to have a civil conversation. Have another drink..
Blackpink in the area
We were having a conversation. But you decided to stop and reply to this guy here instead.
Loser
Simbosargos
What comment are you talking about?
Blackpink in the area
This guy and myself were discussing Lux to the Brewers in a different chain of comments. Then he went here and mentioned it in a weird way talking about how it’s old news.
People are kinda lame sometimes. We all have opinions but there are ways to share them.
Simbosargos
Agree. Plus, Lux isn’t very good and has less control than the Brewers would probably like.
Blackpink in the area
The Brewers could certainly use another infielder who plays short and second. Yes that is definitely a need if they trade Adames.
Seamaholic
2nd is locked up and Ortiz is playing short if they trade Adames. They need a 3B.
Blackpink in the area
Black and Ortiz can man 3b long term.
30 Parks
Adames will be a steal if he’s dealt.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
Devin Williams Texas Ranger – Make it happen!
kripes-brewers
Wouldn’t that be cool?
Simbosargos
You can have him for Langford.
Draw up the paperwork.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
That’s Mike Trout we are talking about here. Take Duran, White, and Harris for him instead.
Go Go Power Rangers
Langford isn’t being traded.
Simbosargos
Yeah I know. It was a joke.
Heels On The Field
They need another real starter who can make 30 starts. The Brewers really need that guy to be a #1 or #2, but they don’t have a #4 to replace Burnes. In fact it seems they need two guys who can make 30 starts.
The Hoskins signing makes no sense.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
It does solve the mystery of why they basically caved and reached salary agreements with everyone, particularly Burnes, and avoided arbitration entirely. No sense arguing over a few dollars when the real plan was to trade him all along.
The Hoskins signing made no sense based on the now obvious approach that basically everyone is available, and paying a guy that kind of money when you’re cheap to begin with and he’s coming off a lost season. The only part that fits, as I understand it, is that he’s not a great defensive 1B.
Seamaholic
Yeah the Hoskins signing was VERY strange, especially in retrospect. 1B/DH’s are hard to trade, especially mid-season. What would make it make sense is if they now sign Montgomery or Snell and trade Adames for another SP. Burnes and Adames’ money together is probably about Snell money.
stymeedone
Why does coming to a mutual agreement mean they “caved?” Maybe it was the player who “caved?” Could it be they were just being civil and fair employers?
AlBundysFanClubPresident
@sty ok, use whatever term you prefer. The point is, why so accommodating this year after last year’s arbitration…disagreement? And with everyone-they didn’t go to arbitration with a single player this year.
Simbosargos
@AlBundy None of this post makes any sense.
Blue Baron
@Heels: They don’t need any such thing if they’re punting this year and rebuilding.
VonPurpleHayes
The division is theirs for the taking. This a shame really.
kripes-brewers
Hoskins hopefully comes back and makes an impact. Him playing well, on its own, would not have been enough to push this squad further than they got last year, even if Burnes and Woody were still around. There wasn’t enough offense. This is where the Crew needs to go to remain competitive. The rotation is suspect, but the defense behind them isn’t, and the offense is marginally better. I think they were pegged for about 85-1/2 wins anyway, so I’m not sure how badly they’ve hurt those odds with the trade, maybe 1-2 wins less without Burnes. And they saved $15M so far so we’ll see what’s next!
VonPurpleHayes
I love the Hoskins move. His defense is terrible, but he has power and walks a bunch. It could be one of the better signings of the offseason.
kripes-brewers
Vegas still likes the Cards to win the division, but let’s face it, they still have Mo and Marmol dragging them down. The Cubs haven’t done anything, so even if they get Belli back they’re not scary. Reds have some talent, but I’m not sure they’ve figured it out yet and pitching isn’t their strong suit either. Still wide open as far as I see it.
VonPurpleHayes
I can’t fall into the Cardinals hype. They were so terrible last year. They improved their pitching staff, but I still don’t see that as enough to put them on top. But what do I know? Not much.
stymeedone
I like Gray, but Lynn and Gibson? If they had waited until now, and missed on their real targets, I could understand signing those two, but not for the amount they paid. That these two were their initial targets is just so disappointing.
kripes-brewers
Agreed, I like Gray, but they didn’t get better with the other two. Pretty good defense, the potential of the offense remains potent but unchanged potential from last year. I don’t see what they did besides hope it works better this year. Marmol can’t keep his mouth shut, so I can’t wait to see who he decides to throw under the bus this year.
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Pottowattami has the Brewers at 76.5 Wins, they have the Cubs at 84.5 Wins. To win Central , Cards +150, +200 Cubs, +375, Reds, +650 Brewers, + 2000 Pirates.
These are the realtime odds, you can to go paybig.com sportsbook to see the odds.
pdxbrewcrew
Take the over on the Brewers.
kripes-brewers
Did you happen to see how that line moved pre/post trade? Just curious. I’d take the over as well. It’s gonna be fun watching these kids put it together this year. A lot of talent and I think Murph will have them playing loose and having fun.
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I know the Brewers were projected by the oddsmakers below .500 before the trade.
The Brewes have a lot of young talent at C, OF, IF, and few pitchers, the starting rotation could be a total disaster this year. Miley is good every other year, if you look at his career, Peralta got injured in 2022 ,pitched 78 innings. Everything after that is hope and prayer in the rotation. Burnes was 7 plus era , before he turned it around, you cant pencil in automatic success for rookies like Gasser or the 100 mph+ prospect.
HBan22
I would not be happy if I were a Brewers fan right now. They could have made a legitimate run in 2024 with the team they had, especially after landing Hoskins. Then again I’m a Red Sox fan, so I’m still not happy.
Rsk3228
Dombrowski needs to bring the Airbender to Philly. It would make up for a lackluster off-season.
Simbosargos
Mick Abel will get the conversation started.
Simbosargos
Adames needs to go asap.
I’d be happy with a Williams deal, but teams better come heavy. And it be better be pitching or corner IF.
mad1
They won’t have come heavy, brewers are giving away players
Simbosargos
Lol.k.
mustache101
Just like they gave away players to get hader they gave away players to get Adames they gave away players to get wp there new ace they gave away players for yelich they gave away players to get contrais they gave away players that have done nothing and they got a lot in return there’s a reason you don’t work in an mlb office we call you a moron….
mustache101
Honestly tell me any of them prospects that have worked out that they “gave away” I can go back to cc how many have them worked out did the brewers win every trade…..
eddiemathews
Brewers have a very deep pen. Maybe they’ll go the opener route for a couple of spots in the rotation.
mad1
I am sure teams are lining up to fleece Arnold on other deals. Completely gave Burnes away. Should have came away with one of the Oreos top 5 for Burnes. Mark A fleeced Wisconsin for 500 million now gutting the roster.
Simbosargos
Terrible take on all fronts.
mad1
Ok, keep drinking the cool aid from Arnold that team still plans to compete
Simbosargos
He’s obviously not done.
Seamaholic
Nah. Burnes is a rental coming off an off (for him) year when he lost more than a mph on his fastball. The O’s are only getting 3 or 4 wins in the one year they control him, unless he bounces back, and he’s expensive. I thought the Brewers did very well. Ortiz is a legit 10 year starting SS, Hall adds another huge arm to an already deep pen, and they got a pick around #30 on top of it. Very nice haul.
Butter Biscuits
I agree they did deserve a better prospect talent than Ortiz for burnes
Seamaholic
You have no idea how well Ortiz is thought of. In most other systems he’s be top five easy.
Butter Biscuits
Neither do you, calling him a legit 10 yr starter ss is what’s really foolish
LordD99
There are enough questions on Ortiz’s bat that he is viewed more as a defense-first player. He turns 26 mid-season, which is on the older side for any player’s rookie season, and plays a position, SS, where those over 30 are often viewed cautiously. I’ve seen some evaluations refer to him as a starter for a second-division team, or a utility player for a contender. Not someone who is projected as a 10-year starter.
It’s difficult to get *great* value for a pitcher with a single year of control. Hall might end up the better value if they can harness his command. They’ve certainly developed some good arms recently.
They got a decent but not great return. The one year of control coupled with some worrying red flags restricted the return on the Burnes package.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
I’m not going to question the talent of Ortiz, as it relates to how long his career may be. Because with the Brewers, he’s likely to only be around until his final year of arb, or he becomes more expensive that they want to pay, whichever comes first.
Bobcastelliniscat
I agree it was a terrible return for Burnes. Basically punted on the season
James Midway
Is Bob Uecker on the block?
This one belongs to the Reds
He’s in the front row.
kripes-brewers
Never! He’s the best. But I do wish they could get a WS win while he’s still around. Could all these young kids figure it out at the same time to make it happen? That’s why they play the games…
kurtman20
Marlin’s and their starting pitching staff could be a partner for Adames and The Brewers, Marlin’s need a SS, Don’t count out Woodruff coming back to The Brewers as ge goes forward with his rehab. He has been loyal to Milwaukee, Mets or Cubs could step in for Woody …which would not be good for us Brewers fans.
Blackpink in the area
Marlins need a long term shortstop not a rental.
Seamaholic
They can extend Adames. Almost nothing on their books.
CleaverGreene
They can and they won’t.
Bobcastelliniscat
And Miami wouldn’t want a guy with a .700 ops.
dajuba
Why no extension rumors for either Adames or Williams? The Brewers and Williams should be working something out right now..
Simbosargos
I’d be shocked. Brewers can’t pay 15MM to a guy who pitches 60 innings.
kripes-brewers
They have this flame throwing kid, Abner Uribe, that I’m guessing they’d like to see in that role eventually. Williams has has some success when he’s on, but boy does he seem to love putting guys at 1st and 2nd before shutting them down.
YourDreamGM
Prospects better than extension. I wouldn’t extend neither. Give Ortiz shot at SS. Not enough payroll for free agent reliever contract. Probably made enough $ that a team friendly extension isn’t likely. Brewers need to do team friendly or stars. Unless that star is already on a team friendly contract from the Marlins.
Butter Biscuits
Hey Friedman get on the phone lazy bum and bring us Devin the dude
Cheeseman Forever
It’s simple: brewers need starters.
Candlestoked
This off season is like watching turtles mate.
tangerinepony
They may as well try and trade Hoskins then . SMH
YanksPhan42
Cashman should be on the phone trying to get Williams. Especially with the starting staff still questionable
Barb C
I would be extremely upset if they traded Devin Williams now. There’s no one else in the bullpen who can do what he does. He was the NL Reliever of the Year in 2023, won the Rookie of the Year and the NL Reliever of the Year in 2020, and is a true lock-down closer. The Brewers have him at a bargain rate, too…as a huge Brewers fan, I really don’t want to see him go. (Especially now, right after Burnes was traded.) If the Brewers have any hope of winning the NL Central, they must have Williams.
Also, the Brewers front office needs to be very aware of the backlash that could result if they trade too many people, all while saying they are “just trying to win.” Trading Williams would mean that the Brewers are not trying to “win now” as they said they were when they signed Hoskins.
sandytolan
Honestly their bullpen is so deep, that if they got players who could help this year AND in future years, they could pull off trading Williams. I think Uribe is ready to step into the role, and they’d still have Payamps, Milner, Peguero and Megill, who were all excellent last year.
pdxbrewcrew
The Brewers won the division with Jhoulys Chacin and Chase Anderson as their top starting pitchers.
mad1
Not with the sad offense they plan to throw on the field this year
Chris Koch
2nd year players Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer, and Turang. Add Chourio. There is bound to be improvement put out on the field. Hoskins vs whomever they batted at 1b/dh. But knowing how these offense signings go Hoskins will resemble Winker at the plate. Adames
had a bad year by his standards.Offense will be better. But pitching now?
leftcoaster
Williams and Adames to the Dodgers for Lux and Bruns. Despite what some people have said here the Brewers would be wise acquiring Luxbin an Adames deal. Lux and Ortiz could form a formidable middle infield for years. There’s a good chance both will end up being plus hitters.
pdxbrewcrew
Include one of Frasso or Stone AND one of Knack or Hurt and then, maybe.
Chris Koch
You know a player sucks when Dodger fans include same player in every trade idea they list. Lux plus. Lux plus. Just like Miguel Andujar for NY several years back.
Nobody wants him. But milw’s next dfa you can trade him for that player.
SharksFan91
Ridiculous how many foolish Brewer fans here have this fascination with acquiring Lux over the past couple years just because he’s from WI and fits their typical image of a Brewer player.
I’d rather have Adames despite the acquisition of Ortiz.
Williams & Adames are probably the next ones leaving town thanks to Arnold, Murphy, and company. Yet somehow, players like Wiemer, Frelick, Miller, & Ashby continue to wear the Milwaukee uniform.
Don’t be surprised if Arnold’s next acquisitions are Jim Bob Cooter, Chandler McReynolds, and Walt Kachynski.
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N. Castellanos (3/60 remaining)
D. Hall
S. Muzziotti (#8)
G. McGarry (#7)
S. Aldegheri (#22)
For:
C. Yelich (6/150)
D. Williams (2/18)
O. Miller INF
Brewers would save 108 mil over the next 6 years, with long term flexibility. Phillies get another long contract on the books, but the final year of Yelich is only 20mil and he’d bat 6th or 7th and play LF- they don’t need him to be a star. Plus they get their RH closer, and didn’t have to give up any top 5 prospects to do it.
Then sign Adam Duvall to compliment the LH OF’ers (Marsh, Yelich, Schwarber) and 1B (Bryce)
Lineup:
B. Stott 2B
T. Turner SS
B. Harper 1B
K. Schwarber DH
A. Bohm 3B
C. Yelich LF
J. Realmuto C
B. Marsh RF
J. Rojas CF
Bench:
A. Duvall OF/1B
C. Pache OF
E. Sosa 3B/SS
O. Miller 2B/1B
G. Stubbs C
Rotation:
Z. Wheeler
A. Nola
R. Suarez
T. Walker
C. Sanchez
Bullpen:
D. Williams CL
J. Alvarado LHSU
G. Soto LHSU
S. Dominguez RHSU
O. Kirkering RHSU
J. Hoffman MR
M. Strahm MR
M. Mercado LR
That can realistically happen and satisfy needs for both organizations on the field and on the books…
juice04
Yelich is not include in a williams trade as a salary dump.
D-Nice
Duvall could possibly play CF instead of Rojas. I’m not familiar with Rojas’ bat so forgive me if it’s good. I doubt Duvall will sign for a platoon/bench role tho. Schwarber will probably lead off too. Milwaukee could possibly get more from someone for 3 of their better players.
609Collectibles
Rojas has minor league options, plus the Phils have Pache on hand. Regardless, I still see at least 500 PA’s for Duvall in this hypothetical. Yelich value is probably negative at this point but I still think he has something left in the tank. He’s just not a centerpiece anymore, and the Phillies are one of maybe 5 teams that could absorb that contract. Milwaukee still getting back a decent player (Castellanos), offsetting almost 1/3 of salary obligations for the Phils. Does make sense
AlBundysFanClubPresident
Yelich playing LF 6 years from now sounds like a horrible idea, for any team.
Barb C
I agree, especially with his bad back (that flares up several times a season). The older he gets, the more likely it’s going to be that his back will go out.
As far as his defense, though, last year he was much better than the previous year. Still not outstanding, but not terrible, either.
D-Nice
Seems like just a couple years ago that Detroit traded a 19 yr old Adames (along with Austin Jackson), in a 3 team trade that netted Price. Times flyin.
Chris Koch
Adames involved in a trade makes sense. I’d hope Arnold values Williams like they did Hader. If Milw is a 76win team then
Williams at trade deadline would net quite the return. Course with Milw’s luck Williams will require TJ surgery 3 days before the trade deadline.
franklinstubbsghost
Brewers need new ownership if this team ever reaches the next level. Winning divisional titles and then flaming out in the playoffs is getting old and predictable. The Brewers are routinely among the top 10 or 12 clubs in terms of attendance, which is remarkable, given that they have the smallest market in MLB. Ownership just received a half-billion $$ in State funding to make improvements to their ballpark. This current ownership group are not holding up their end!
brewcrewfan82
I wouldn’t mind seeing them move on from Adames for a good return. Last year he looked lost at the plate and if he fell behind in the count, he’d chase something off speed and look horrible. Let Ortiz get a shot to start at SS. If Turang struggles at the plate he either gets sent down or comes off the bench. If Black has a strong spring, let him man 3rd. Assuming Mitchell and the rest of the young speedsters in the OF stay healthy and take that sophomore jump, the offense should be much improved. I think you gotta get a SP for Adames unless they think Hall is starter material and/or gasser is ready for the rotation.
SharksFan91
“… take that sophomore jump…” Ever heard of what’s called the “sophomore slump?
Bobcastelliniscat
What type of return do you expect the brewers to get for Adames and his .700 OPS. Lottery ticket at best.
Chris Koch
List a few teams and I’ll give trade ideas.
Bobcastelliniscat
Adames and his .700 OPS is not going to bring much.
wtfCheeseheadChuck
He had 3WAR last year, his worst offensive season, his 3-4war skill set will net then plenty.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
Come on, Adams. “Excellent as he’s been” isn’t proper English. You can’t just leave out the word that needs to begin that sentence: “AS excellent as he’s been.” Use grammar, for heaven’s sakes. Also, there should NEVER be a comma before “either.”
Fire this guy and hire someone who actually knows how to write.
Jswag
Would SF deal Whisenhunt for Adames and a lesser player/prospext?
Would Yankees deal Hampton for Adames and something ?
I’d like one of these types for Adames. Also would love to deal with Phillies in a big Williams and Adames and maybe Wiemer for Abel McGarry and a Comp Pick