Feb. 14: The Angels announced their minor league deal with Pomeranz this morning. He’s in camp as a non-roster invitee.
Feb. 13: The Angels are nearing a minor league deal with left-hander Drew Pomeranz, reports Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register. The southpaw would be invited to major league camp if the deal becomes official.
Pomeranz, 35, spent many years as a quality starting pitcher in the major leagues. As his results started fading, he transitioned to the bullpen and seemed to be sliding into a nice second act as an elite reliever. But he has lost the past two seasons due to injuries and it’s unknown how much he can provide going forward.
In both 2016 and 2017, he tossed over 170 innings with matching ERAs of 3.32 in those seasons. But he got lit up in 2018, with his ERA finishing at 6.08 just as he was about to hit the open market for the first time. He settled for a modest one-year, $1.5MM deal with the Giants and had a 5.68 ERA as he was flipped to the Brewers at the 2019 deadline.
Milwaukee moved him to the bullpen which seemed to be a revelation for the lefty. He tossed 26 1/3 innings after the deal with a 2.39 ERA. He struck out an incredible 45% of batters faced while walking just 8% and kept 46.8% of balls in play on the ground.
The Padres believed in that mini breakout enough to give Pomeranz a four-year, $34MM guarantee going into 2020. That gamble seemed to be paying off for a while, as Pomeranz made 20 relief appearances in 2020 with a 1.45 ERA and another 27 in 2021 with a 1.75 ERA. He struck out 33.7% of batters faced over those two years and had a 45.8% ground ball rate. The 11.4% walk rate was on the high side but he was nonetheless one of the most dominant relievers in the league for a time.
But in August of 2021, he underwent surgery to repair a torn flexor tendon and hasn’t appeared in the big leagues since. At various times throughout 2022 and 2023, there were reports of him ramping up throwing, but each time saw him deal with some renewed soreness or inflammation that stopped his progression. He underwent “a cleanup surgery in his elbow” in May of last year and went out on a rehab assignment in August and September before being shut down again.
It’s hard to expect much after a couple of years completely lost to arm complications, but there’s no real risk for the Angels. They aren’t guaranteeing him a roster spot so they can bring him into camp and see how he looks. If he’s healthy and in good form, it’s a nice find, with no real downside if it doesn’t pan out.
The Halos have been very focused on their bullpen this offseason, signing Robert Stephenson, Matt Moore, Luis García, Adam Cimber and José Cisnero to major league deals. Pomeranz will come in as a non-roster wild card who could provide them with another boost if his arm allows.
luckyh
Blast from the past.
mlb fan
Getting paid millions to rehab, train and “ramp up” is a pretty good gig if you can get it.
JimEdmondsHOF
Giles and Rosenthal give two thumbs way up to this move by the Angels
Gwynning
Wayans and Grier gave 2 snaps in a big circle as well
mlb fan
Drew Pomerantz is exhibit #1 on why relievers should rarely be given multi year contracts and most definitely never beyond 2 years.
MrSeptember
Another of Preller’s stellar moves
JAD
Soon to be surpassed by the one Perry “we intend to compete in 2024” Minasian is about to make.
no soup for you
As the article said, “he was nonetheless one of the most dominant relievers in the league for a time.” Then he had to have surgery to repair a tendon. Rather harsh to fault Preller for that.
carllafong
Excuse me, but what is Preller’s brilliance? He traded away half the minor league system to get Soto when he knew that wasn’t long term. He has had many bad singings and extensions and wasted a lot of prospect capital. Bottom line is that SD has won nothing and was horrible last year despite having received huge financial backing by ownership.
mlb fan
“Dominant relievers”….Pomerantz wasn’t a “dominant reliever” for long at all. Maybe half a season or so because Drew spent the overwhelming majority of his career as a starting pitcher and only switched to relieve r as his starting days began to fade. That’s how I remember it anyway.
no soup for you
Hmm. I thought the article was about Pomeranz.
boltman
I am not a fan of preller either but I now wonder how much of an affect Seidler wanting to win before he died played a factor in all of the acquisitions. Regardless, Bogaerts and Hosmer are two awful contracts he is responsible for.
SalaryCapMyth
Glad to read that from other posters. It implies that you realize how volatile relief pitchers are. A good bullpen is typically rebuilt year after year because steady consistent relief pitchers are unicorns.
Halo11Fan
Relievers shouldn’t be given long deals? That’s only true if you don’t know how to read the data. ERA is volatile. In a small number of innings, it’s almost worthless in predicting future ERA.
But if you can read stuff, then smart decisions can be made.
Fans typically don’t dig that deep, so they make blanket statements that are quite honestly absurd.
mlb fan
“That’s only true if you don’t know how”…I remember how quickly Dellin Betances went from dominant, high leverage reliever, to out of MLB in a matter of months.
SalaryCapMyth
I think you’re making an assumption without looking into it. Ironic right? I agree sample size plays a a part but it’s not like all relief pitchers are equally volatile.
Halo11Fan
They are not. But mediocre RPs will have great years. Angel fans see that every year and they think pitcher X is going to turn the pen around. However, if you look at peripherals, pitcher X still sucks.
Estevez’s peripherals are not very good. It’s likely why he was so volatile.
Don’t give long term contracts to players with poor peripherals, period. To single out RPs is absurd.
For the most part, teams have gotten smart about that .
HalosHeavenJJ
I prefer the lottery tickets the White Sox picked up this morning but I can’t be upset at this one.
Rexhudler86
I would’ve taken pomeranz and Leone over Cisnero.
This one belongs to the Reds
Pomerantz is worth a gamble. It’s just a minor league deal.
Rexhudler86
@reds wasn’t knocking it just saying Cisnero was suspect when it’s looking like you can get a lot of shot in the dark picks for a minor league deal now instead of a major league deal
Brew’88
Shocking!
whyhayzee
Old lefty relievers never die, they just keep throwing pitches that fade away
Americanentropy
Ok to take a flyer, but what IMPACT moves has this team made to their everyday line up?
AngelsFan1968
I’m sure this will open up a can of worms, but as much as I’ve enjoyed watching the accomplishments of Ohtani, maybe the impactful move was not re-signing him?
Americanentropy
Then they should have traded him when they had the chance to get a stellar return.
AngelsFan1968
Well hindsight is 20/20. Playing devils advocate here, maybe the return wasn’t as stellar as people speculated to offset loss of marketing dollars?
Rexhudler86
They might’ve been able to get the burnes package, but it wasn’t going to be 5-6 players like some people were saying here. The orioles were one of the teams that were interested just imagine the hate it would’ve got. Injured a week later, and then signing with the dodgers
AngelsFan1972
AngelsFan1968
Really? Just had to one up me with he name? LOL
AngelsFan1968
Sorry about that AngelsFan1972. My family moved from LA to OC ’67 and my brothers and I became Junior Angels in ’68.
AngelsFan1972
we share a similar story.
Family moved from NorCal in 71, became a fan in 72 in large part because of Nolan Ryan.
M.C.Homer
Junior Angels….free reign of the upper deck.
I was there too
M.C.Homer
Ryan was my idol and mentor! And boy does my arm still hurt from trying to be like him
AngelsFan1968
Oh yes. My mom would drop us off in front of stadium, then pick us up an hour after the game while we waited for the players to come out and get autographs.
JimEdmondsHOF
What did you guys think of me when I was there?
RyÅnWKrol
Not really-signing Ohtani which opens up DH to to rest players more and allows starting pitching to get back to a 5 man rotation. 231 HR while losing Trout and Rendon for the majority of the season, with a lot of young players called up, means they don’t need to get a superstar bat. Their solid young core needs supplementing. The place where they could use a star arm and perhaps two is in their rotation.
cptitan10
If it means they can finally get rid of Suarez, do it.
prov356
We have hot dog vendors who pitch better than Suarez.
carllafong
Thank you! Extra mustard and onions next time I see you!
Rexhudler86
He might not make the team, probably between him and plesac. I would throw in Anderson in, but he’s not going to cut because of his contract.
Tim Stewart
Rexhudler86- Did you see that rumor that the new pitching coach said Anderson was tipping pitches with the Angels?
Rexhudler86
@tim no I didn’t see that, I know he saw some flaws in detmers delivery. Also ohtani was pointing out saurez tipping his pitches. Wise was garbage I can see the rotation bouncing back.
Alexpulido7051 2
It seams a lot of Angels pitchers were tipping their pitches last year. There a memorable moment of Mike Trout visibly upset after he spotted a pitcher tipping his pitches from the outfield.
Rexhudler86
@alex yeah it was happening a lot, it’s pretty bad when the center fielder is shouting to point it out, and ohtani is telling his interpreter, and the pitching coach has no clue.
James Midway
Over the past few years Drew and I have pitched the same number of MLB innings.
Gwynning
The 3 of us are all tied, what are the odds?!
Halo11Fan
I could be wrong, but isn’t it the last couple of years and not few years.
Gwynning
Twenty-somethin’ innings in ’21 I believe… but thanks for ruining our fun. 44.1 Innings (I’m pretty sure I’m remembering that correctly…) over the span of his previous 4 year contract.
Halo11Fan
One of those seasons was 2020.
It’s just as funny if you say the last couple of years.
MoneyBallJustWorks
breaking news: Arte in on big names, settles for garbage
mlb fan
“Arte in on big names”…Maybe drafting, trading and developing better and avoiding the “Big names” for a couple years is the best way for the Angels to go. After all, signing “big names” like Albert Puhjols, Josh Hamilton, Upton and Anthony Rendon is what got them into this mess in the first place.
carllafong
Then why wouldn’t they they articulate that plan? They say they are going to compete. If you want to break it down and build, great– then do it. But they’re not. And they’ll draft the player they think is quickest to the majors instead of the best player. A rudderless ship.
mlb fan
“Say they are going to complete”… Every team says this because you don’t want to give your fans a good reason to stay home. I don’t think public proclamations by sports teams should be taken literally, since often you need to read between the lines.
Halo11Fan
The only way the Angels can compete if Rendon and Trout play likes it’s 2019.
It’s why it doesn’t make any sense to replace Rendon.
Besides the fact Rendon is owed over 100 million dollars, the Angels would go from highly unlikely to compete to impossible to compete.
But if they can turn back the clock, it becomes a fun team. Granted, it’s very unlikely.
RyÅnWKrol
Why do they need to articulate that plan when they’ve already executed it. The Angels have more promising youth than they’ve had in about 15 years and haven’t signed a mega contract in 4 years now. That should make it obvious that the front office has already changed its tune and their GM is utilizing the type of roster building that his former club is known for.
Halo11Fan
You are higher on their youth than I am. If Schanuel can hit left handers and keep his OBP around 400, he can be a useful,
The only thing Neto did that was above average was not chase pitches out of the zone. He’s a shortstop with 59 percentile in sprint speed.
These are not difference makers. It doesn’t mean they can’t be useful major league players.
Halo11Fan
Oh and O’Hoppe rates low on framing, pop time and caught stealing. He chases, strikes out,
What he does do well is hits the ball hard,
I think he has a chance to get better, but he need to take a defensive leap.
Alexpulido7051 2
We saw what O’Hoppe could do offensively. One thing that’s hard to teach is work ethic, baseball IQ, and enthusiasm. O’Hoppe showed that he has those intangibles after he got injured, stuck around the team and worked hard to recover and return to play at a high level.
Halo11Fan
I like all three. If O’Hoppe can make the defensive jump, he can be a star. I think Neto can be solid. I think Schanuel can be useful.
I don’t know if O’Hoppe can make the defensive jump. That’s just beyond my knowledge.
Alexpulido7051 2
That’s definitely for O’Hoppe to prove. Can he win over the pitchers confidence in him to call a good game. Can he develop into a solid defensive catcher? What’s the pitching staff overall ERA with him behind the plate? For the Angels to trade away a proven veteran in Max Stassey and give the Starting job to O”Hoppe it shows that they have confidence O’Hoppe is fully capable and the guy!
Tim Stewart
Halo11Fan- They all 3 have looked great when you factor in the size of the learning curve. Neto had a very tuff 1st month or so with the bat then just kept improving. They both got hurt and both struggled upon return. I think both with the bat and glove. I think Neto was the 2nd most noticeable as far as drop off while playing injured after Jrury, both hitting and fielding. Both Neto and O’ Hoppe stuggled after returning but played better and better. That shows a lot to me. I don’t know how much power Schanuel will develop into, but I see no reason believe as I think you have said, the same power as Fletcher. I know about the low exit velo but he has played so few pro games had had nothing wrong with his collage exit velos. I think his power will be fine.
Halo11Fan
Tim, this all could happen. I just looking at their stat cast pages. I think the easiest one to improve is chase rate.
Neto and Schanuel are already there. If O’Hoppe ever controls the strike zone, he might be great. But he has work to do defensively.
With that swing, Schanuel will never hit for power. He’s almost great at squaring up the ball (sweet spot pct). yet he can’t hit the ball hard. If he changes his swing, then no one has any idea who he is.
Plugnplay
Good points by both here, but I don’t know if u change Schanuel’s swing. There’s nothing wrong with him trying to be a Rod Carew type player. There’s no need to try and change him into a Jason Giambi type player when he’s not. It could completely mess up his projectory as a solid MLB player.
Alexpulido7051 2
Tony Gwynn was a great player for San Diego. He hit for average. Can Schanuel eventually hit for power once he’s been in the majors for a while? His high OBP and average can help drive up opposing pitcher pitch counts and put pressure on opposing team’s defense. With Power guys like Trout, Ward, O’Hoppe, Drury, other potential players like Rendon and Rengifo also have some power. Schanuel does have to be a power guy. He just has to do what he’s best at and that’s get on base
Halo11Fan
Tony Gwynn never hit for power, he was able to hit 17 HRs once and had three seasons above 12 HRs
And honestly, I don’t care if Schanuel ever hits for power, but he’s not a gold glove outfielder and will not steal 300 bases. Since he plays the easiest position on the defensive spectrum and doesn’t play it well, his upside is limited.
That’s fine, he can still be a useful player, by playing everyday, working pitchers and having an OBP of close to 400. I’m curious to see where his skills will take him.
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
I still have never actually seen this guy pitch. I heard he was on the Padres, there’s been folk tales of his one time greatest but…I’m pretty skeptical about these tales!
Good luck Halo’s!
Gwynning
Dude, you got me rolling with the Pepe Le Frog pic already and then I see him sticking forks where they shouldn’t go. You’re killing me, Smalls!
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
You’re welcome! Yours is solid as well!
kellin
Potential to be an irrelevant signing, or a completely under the radar steal. Yes, replacing Suarez would be the best outcome.
shortstop
Headline: Angels woo LHP free agent away from the Padres.
prov356
SPLASH!!!
Yanks2
Yeah, if you could stop posting minor league deals on an MLB website that’d be great
SadHaloFan95
Such an ugly dog
Yanks2
You must not have a soul to look at a Pomeranian and not think it’s adorable
Smelly_Cobb
@dog Hope you’re not serious about either of your last 2 posts.
Yanks2
Which ones
Oldhalo
I have 3 and they’re great dogs. Weird that we’re discussing dogs here though.
Gwynning
Your other last two?
kellin
Then maybe you should find another site to read. It is a “rumors” site, after all.. but then, someone always responds like I am, to stupid comments like this.
Yanks2
I don’t know any other sites to read baseball news on besides ESPN
Gwynning
Dude, ESPN is greeeeaaaat, PomPom. You should really go check it out…
D-Nice
I understand your sarcasm, but I just wanna point out to anyone who may not have understood, that ESPN is not great. Especially with MLB. Everything on their site you have to pay to read. Thank goodness for MLB.com, though.
SadHaloFan95
You think Drew Pomeranz owns some Pom Poms? He’s got to right? Lol
Smelly_Cobb
@SadHalo
I’m going to say yes. He also has a Ferrari IIRC that he makes look tiny when he’s in the driver’s seat.
orange2001
No risk with this signing. We’ll see if he has anything left.
Halo11Fan
There is always risk. A team has a finite number of spots available. Someone always goes. I don’t think it’s much of a risk, but if he does start in the PCL, then someone in the Angel system wi.l lose a roster spot.
I.M. Insane
Drew Pomeranz = Red Woman Prez
AngelsFan1972
There sure is a lot of veterans on minor league contracts coming in.
Halo11Fan
The Angels have a lot of players that are likely to fail. This gives them a chance to pitch in the big leagues this year.
And there are worse places to play than the PCL.
My local team is a PCL AAA team. Not a bad place to play at all.
SalaryCapMyth
I’ve listened to enough baseball analysts say things like “Angel fans won’t stomach a rebuild.” Is that really true, Angel fans? Trout hasn’t played a full season since 2019 and that’s kind of understating how much of a struggle his health has been. Rendon’s contract is probably at least a top 5 worst. Between those two players not producing enough or in Rendon’s case just not producing combined with so much of the Angels finances tied to them, what is the way forward for the Angels?
If the Angels signed Montgomery AND Bellringer AND both of them produced what they did last season then that would addiquetly replace Ohtani but last season they won 73 games. I don’t think any Angel fans believe the Angels are going to go and add some $50 million dollars a season to their payroll. That wouldnt be enough.
A rebuild of some sort does seem to be in order. I don’t see how the Angels get out from under Rendon’s contract so I suspect you just have to wait for 2027. Trout I bet they can move but you’re going to eat some of that money if you do. It seems to me you simply have to waite out those processes while you trade your other talent to rebuild the farm.
I do think this would be a long rebuild and a difficult one but I wonder what Angel fans think. Would you guys be interested in a rebuild. If not than what is the way forward that the Angels might actually do. I say it that way because they aren’t going to go all Cohen and just buy as many star players as they can despite how poorly that has worked for the Mets.
Give me your thoughts, Angel fans.
ron_karate
the Angels have been rebuilding since 2015.
SalaryCapMyth
Rebuilding teams don’t bring in players like Rendon and Ohtani.
ron_karate
They got Ohtani cheap. Tony Two-bags is a bust. What the Angels have now is Mike Trout and an expansion team.
RyÅnWKrol
The Rangers disagree with you. How do you think they win the World Series? They locked veterans up ahead of time so that their young players were ready they didn’t have to go out get a bunch of guys. They were already there. Then that timeline was sped up. Might have been a fluke. Regardless, those veterans were already there.
SalaryCapMyth
They still payed $65M for his 6 years. That is considerably cheap for Ohtani but it isn’t nothing. Combined with them signing Rendon, it was clear they were not rebuilding.
SalaryCapMyth
When a team starts signing productive veterans, that is a clear sign the Rangers were no longer rebuilding but going for it. No disagreement there.
carllafong
A rebuild can be fun. It’s not the fans, it’s Moreno. He doesn’t want a rebuild. We haven’t had a .500 team the past eight seasons. We’ve won 73 games each of the past two-years. We are projected to win 74.5 wins this year as constructed and if the team remains healthy. We have not added a starter or a starting position player despite this. Even if they add Snell and Bellinger– where does that leave this team? Let’s give them 10 more wins– that’s essentially .500. So, yes, they should be selling off everyone and just keeping the kids and maybe Trout as the face of the franchise.
M.C.Homer
SalaryCapMyth, I want to see the kids play.
Signing Snell Or Bellinger would be a disaster IMO.
Trout still has a 2-3 really good years left, not buying any of that. His 2 injuries that were not bad luck might be attributed to swinging that golf club too much and too hard, I wish he’d save that for retirement. People harp on the starters, but they’ve been OK. Need more innings from them and to stop nibbling. Pitch counts turn it over to the blowpen too much.
The bullpen, I mean BLOWPEN sunk the Trout/Ohtani years. A decent bullpen would have surely had this team above .500 the last 2 years in my opinion.
Halo11Fan
MC.
Bellinger’s repeating those stats with that batted ball profile is highly unlikely.
Montgomery isn’t that good. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a solid starter, but is he really going to make a difference.
Next year the Angels, if the Angels think they can compete, they can start thinking about replacing Anderson and Rendon.
But right now is not the time.
Alexpulido7051 2
Montgomery will probably not be able to replicate his playoff performance. He’s a decent pitcher, but most likely get over paid for past performance.
Oldhalo
I think most fans would be on board with a full rebuild. Personally, I’m not opposed to trying to compete with what they have now with a couple of good starting pitchers here in the near future (fingers crossed). Baseball is weird…. You can spend all of the money in the world and fall out of contention due to injuries or have that unknown guy come out of no where and carry the team. Who knows. It’s true that Ohtani carried this team for stretches last year and the consistency that he brought will be difficult to replace but you just never know. For now, I am going to remain optimistic. Moreno will spend money and we shall see what happens. There are still a few nice pieces on the chess board.
Alexpulido7051 2
If Taylor Ward had not got hit in the head and the trade deadline pickups had just played to their capabilities. They were right there in the thick of the playoff race when they were playing Toronto it all fell apart. Name one team that can win when a team has 3 of their top 4 hitters are injured (Trout, Ward and Rendon)
Tim Stewart
SalaryCapMyth- I don’t think they need a full rebuild. They are not a good fit for a full on rebuild. They did a number of things really bad that cost them close games. Things like the worst bullpen management, line up managemen, moving runners over an in, bad baserunning and others. The bullpen was mostly bad , but not as bad as the outcomes were. I think there are a lot of wins with a more improved change in management. I think Washington will be light years better in this area.
They have a lot of young talent on this team already. Nearly all of this young talent was from Perry bringing them in and up quickly and successfully developed. The team hit pretty good last year when healthy. Part of the problem is a number of players played hurt and hit poorly in that time. Look at players like O’ Hoppe, Drury, Neto an others had big drop offs with the bat and also with the glove. They mostly ended up with solid numbers. Drury was one of the most productive at 2B in the AL. The problem was that from the opening day roster only 2 pitchers did not end up on the injured list. That is every single position player. Many of the replacement players went down too. No team is not affected by this kind of rate of injuries. With a much more manageable number of injuries you can expect a big jump in production.
The rotation is just lacking an Ace type at the top, but the rotation is mostly young talent. The bullpen has been revamped and looks to be much better. There are not really many spots for young players to plug in if traded for. I don’t see the Angels getting back in a trade anyone better than what they already have. I really think that if they sign Snell they real shot at the playoffs. I think this is based on real facts and not just fandom wishfulness.
Plugnplay
You nailed it Tim, with all of it. These people saying they need a full rebuild, just don’t know, or pay attention to the team and how it is currently constructed.
On Snell, this is the only player of need they should gamble on, even if you call this season a 1 year retool, you’ll still have him moving forward. Also, you never know, with a Snell add, they just might surprise this season and grab a wild card.
Alexpulido7051 2
Excellent overall assessment. Hopefully the Angels can sign Snell after he drops his overpriced Boras demands. Snell would definitely help increase the depth of the Angels pitching staff, considering expected injuries and underperformance due to slumps.
What are the odds that a Snell contract becomes a bust halfway through? Will 3 good years be worth the 3 bad years due to injuries or underperformance? Or will he be be at least consistent and a positive influence for at least the majority of his contract. Maybe his baseball IQ and ability to miss the heart of the strike zone rubs off on the young Angels pitching staff
Plugnplay
Well Alex, let’s say he does have his 3 excellent years and 3 meh..
Is it worth it for 6 years? I’d guess it all depends if the Angels make a couple deep playoff runs in there. I dunno, some might want more.
Alexpulido7051 2
If he has 3 good years and 3 ok years. I’d say it’s worth it. Rendon’s contract will be gone in 3 years and hopefully by then one of their young pitchers like Detmers will step up and be their new Ace. The Angels need a Veteran presence like Verlander was to Houston when they won the World Series. Unfortunately the Angels don’t have enough depth in their minor leagues to trade for a top of the rotation starter
Plugnplay
True that, We’ll see. Snell was looking for his 200+m. So that’s 7/210m. He already turned down the Yankees @ 5/150m. So they say? So I’d gotta think Boras is running out of time, and will have to meet in the middle at 6/180m. I’d do it because of a severe need, but would Arte? Never say say never, but we’ve never seen it.
RyÅnWKrol
They already did the rebuild. It was quick through drafting college players and trading for major league ready prospects. There’s no need to do it again. Anyone who buys into that narrative isn’t paying attention. They’re at the point where they can supplement, and they have. And they need to continue focusing more on their pitching staff. They’ve loaded up their bullpen. But could still use more in their rotation.
statman
It’s always incorrectly reported that the Brewers had this great idea to turn this struggling SP into an effective RP … newsflash: the Giants moved him to the BP for 4 or 5 outings that year and he was highly effective, thus prompting the Brewers to give up a decent prospect (at the time) for him.
BeeCarbo
Don’t know how the Red Sox missed out on this opportunity’ Exactly the type of move we’ve been making all winter.
filihok
Darragh
It sucks reading an article in 2024 and only seeing ERA for a pitcher and having to click over to FanGraphs to see how someone actually putched
I’m sure FG doesn’t mind though.
Plugnplay
Well I had to click over to Wikipedia to see what “putched” meant.. haha.. jk..
Kinda petty on ERA, it’s fine when u back it up with a couple stats. You have to, there’s not one stat that describes a pitcher. If you only had 1, and 1 only to do so, I’d go with ERA. Get off Darragh’s back. He’s actually one of the better ones.
filihok
0np
“it’s fine when u back it up with a couple stats.*
I mean, he didn’t do that, so…
“If you only had 1, and 1 only to do so, I’d go with ERA”
You can go with whatever you want. But you’d be objectively wrong. Either FIP or xFIP would be better. We know this because both are better predictors of future performance. And the only way to predict the future is to accurately measure the present. So, both must better measure the present than ERA.
Plugnplay
Well, each is there own. I did rip MLBTR, and there writers for not using WHIP anymore. Yeah there’s some better ones, but it’s still a quick good judgement when u throw it next to ERA. Hell, throw it with the other 2 with K’s/9, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the pitcher.
I’m on board with FIP and xFIP, as the new, but they still both have variance that comes with the 3 mentioned above, and u don’t have to read into why.
filihok
Pnp
WHIP is terrible.
Both ERA and WHIP tell you what the team did more than the what the pitcher did.
And using per 9,stats is definitely inferior to using %
Pitcher A: 1 inning, 3 K’s. 3 hits. 1 walk.
27 K/9. That’s awesome! But really doesn’t tell the story. Bad pitchers who give up more walks and hits have a higher K/9 because they face more hitters per inning.
Pitcher A has a (3/7) 43% K rate. That’s still awesome, but isn’t skewed by all the hits and walks.
FIP and xFIP are much better for judging what a pitcher did than ERA and WHIP.
Plugnplay
Again, each is there own. I got over it and adapted to the newer stats. Either way you can figure out what kind of season a player had.
As far as k% and k/9. There exactly the same, simply because average and % are the same thing.
But I can also flip your theory around on the k/9.
If u have a 9 K’s per 9, and a 3up, 3 down inning. It’s safe to say u had 1k. Now if u had a pretty solid 25% k/O %. I don’t know if u had a K/O that inning or not. Chances are u didn’t.
filihok
Pnp
“As far as k% and k/9. There exactly the same, simply because average and % are the same thing.”
Hol’ up
You’ve just seen two examples of how that’s not true at all
Let’s try another one
Pitcher A: 1 IP, 3 K’s, 1 hit, 1 BB, 5 batters faced.
What’s the K/9.?
What’s the K%?
Pitcher B: 1 IP, 3 K’s, 0 hits, 0 walks, 3 batters faced.
What’s the K/9?
What’s the K%?
Plugnplay
You can go back n forth on this all day to make points on both sides. Bottom line in one of your examples and what it tells me. If a pitcher did k/o 3 in any inning, percentages, or averages are, it tells me he won’t have any more for a couple innings.
johnnyangel
He was excellent out of the bullpen when he was healthy. But that’s the catch, isn’t it?
Minor league deal, no harm, worth a shot.
We’ll see if Wash and Enright can assemble this bullpen group – many with fairly recent MLB success, but all with question marks, too.
Still, if the manager has a deft hand, one could see a decent bullpen out of all these arms.
carllafong
I like the signing– no risk, but I’d actually like to see Snell and Ryu added to the rotation.. Add Eiether Bellinger, Duvall or Martinez.
Jeff Zanghi
Seems like an amazing low risk, high reward signing. He’s been elite-elite when healthy. Now whether he’ll ever be “healthy” again is another question but if he is… he’s a darn good pitcher.
Alexpulido7051 2
It’s inevitable that injuries will happen and the Angels will need guys to step up. Drew being a young veteran still in the physical prime of his life. If he’s recovered from his injuries and shows that he can pitch at the high level that he has proven to pitch in the past. He will get his chance to step up. If he can’t recover his past abilities then there’s no loss on the Angels. So it’s a plus plus. Depth is absolutely needed in a sport with such a long season.
LordD99
Angels now going all in on pre-injured players. Softens the disappointment.
Be a nice comeback story if it happens.
RyÅnWKrol
This is definitely a long relief/spot start option.
Alexpulido7051 2
Big name players bring the fans and give the team a chance to compete, but it’s the small moves and team depth that make a difference.