The Pirates last reached the playoffs in 2015 and haven’t had a winning season since 2018, as the team embarked on a long rebuild process that might be slowly approaching the end. Through a lengthy downturn in the middle of the season sunk Pittsburgh’s chances in 2023, the team played well at both the very start and very end of the year to deliver a 76-86 record — the Bucs’ highest win total since their 82 wins in 2018. The Pirates also avoided the NL Central basement for the second consecutive year, as the Cardinals surprisingly tumbled to last place.
On paper, the Buccos still seem a few pieces away from at least a couple of division rivals, and in the National League as a whole when it comes to a push for a wild card spot. However, given the lack of certainty within the division and some of the young talent on Pittsburgh’s roster, it wouldn’t be the biggest shock if the Pirates are closer than we might think to being legitimate contenders in 2024.
This is the view of Pirates owner Bob Nutting, who told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette’s Jason Mackey that he was “very enthusiastic to see another step forward” for his team.
“I’m not gonna pick a number of games or wins, but for the first time in what feels like a decade and maybe on the calendar is 6-7 years, we’re within striking distance of a good team. We’re short of that still, but the progression is clearly going in the right direction. My expectation is we take another meaningful step forward [in 2024]. With the current playoff system, another step forward means we can be in contention throughout the season. That’s a minimum expectation we should have and one we should be building on.”
Bryan Reynolds, Ke’Bryan Hayes, Jack Suwinski, Mitch Keller, and David Bednar have become building blocks, while such former top prospects as Oneil Cruz and Henry Davis are viewed as cornerstone players once they receive more seasoning at the Major League level. Losing another key prospect in Endy Rodriguez for all of 2024 is a blow, yet some other top minor leaguers might soon be emerging as the next wave of talent, including 2023 first overall draft pick Paul Skenes if he continues his rapid rise up the ladder.
Andrew McCutchen was re-signed as the veteran leader and face of the franchise, and the Pirates have looked to add more experience by acquiring the likes of Rowdy Tellez, Marco Gonzales, and Martin Perez. The latter two in particular are needed additions to a thin pitching staff that got even thinner this offseason when Johan Oviedo was lost to Tommy John surgery.
The reinforcements aren’t exactly rock-solid, given how Tellez, Gonzales, and Perez were all either ineffective or injured during the 2023 season. In fact, in adding this group of veterans but losing Oviedo and Rodriguez, it can be argued that the Pirates haven’t really much advanced their talent level, considering that McCutchen was already on the team last season.
Nutting is “very pleased with what Ben’s getting done” to date, one of a few instances where Nutting praised the work of GM Ben Cherington. That said, Nutting also noted that “I wish we were further along in this offseason than we are. I’ve seen how hard Ben has pushed. I’ve seen how close we’ve gotten to some deals. But we’re only halfway through. I think there’s still time. There’s still a lot of work to be done. I think Ben understands the expectations.”
Of course, Pittsburgh fans might certainly observe that Cherington could do more to restock the roster if he had more financial support. Since Nutting bought the team in 2007, the Bucs have regularly been at or near the bottom of the league when it comes to payroll, and have only once (in 2016) finished as high as 20th in Opening Day payroll. Cherington said in December that the Pirates were going to raise their spending level from 2023 to 2024, and Nutting reiterated to Mackey that Cherington “has room to make moves that we need to make,” even if the owner didn’t specify any exact dollar figure.
In modest fashion, the Pirates are on pace to indeed surpass last year’s spending levels, considering that most moves still need to be made to upgrade the roster. Pittsburgh had a $73.27MM Opening Day payroll in 2023 and Roster Resource projects their current 2024 payroll at around $69.2MM, so one more significant signing could alone put the Pirates well over last year’s mark.
Considering how the Pirates have been linked to such names as Shota Imanaga, Yariel Rodriguez, and Jack Flaherty, the Bucs seem to be willing to stretch the budget a bit further than usual to make a somewhat bigger-ticket expenditure. It can be assumed that the Pirates won’t yet break the bank for a Jordan Montgomery or Blake Snell, but such second-tier names as Mike Clevinger, Hyun Jin Ryu, James Paxton, and other remain on the open market. Several more options exist in possible trades, though Nutting seemed to caution against the idea that Pittsburgh would deal significant prospects at this point in their rebuild.
“We need to make the team better now and make sure that we’re not mortgaging the future going forward, [and] that we’re not making decisions where we’re giving up so much talent in a trade that we end up watching former pitchers thrive elsewhere,” Nutting said.
bucsfan0004
“Contention thruout the season” would certainly be better than 2023’s “Contention for 5 weeks, then a slow spiral to 4th place”
scottn59c
Oh, he’ll be getting contention, all right.
McGrundle
I’m not sure, but I don’t think that word means what he thinks it means.
unpaidobserver
“To Some Bucs Fans, Nutting’s Contention Claim Source of Contention”
MLB Top 100 Commenter
By Easter, Pirates will be in dire straights, “Money for Nutting and the chicks for free.”
jorge78
They better be free!
Nuttiness to cheap to pay…..
case
He’s definitely in contention for most revenue sharing funds embezzled,
Chuck from Uniontown
They finished strong, 18-13 down the final stretch. I hope they do more, but I think 80-85 wins is already a realistic target for this team.
Buff Barnacles
Agreed! And they started off like fire last year as they played like a team
kingcobra1979
Not with the current starting pitching staff. Trade has to happen.
solaris602
Agreed. Even in best case scenario that rotation is pretty raggedy. Wouldn’t mind seeing them add Ryu who should fit into the budget. Tellez is the disposable 1B du jour. Some day they’ll have a long term solution there, but how and when is anybody’s guess.
TheMan 3
considering that they still need a starting pitcher and another first baseman, the decent free agents are becoming scarce
TheMan 3
Nutting said they are only half way through, regarding adding pieces to the team
Last week he and Cherington were in Puerto Rico busy signing 17 international players
But while signing kids for the future is important, they should be focusing on this season too
RahRahRah
Not with the current pitching staff, imo. Need at least one more SP, but 2 more SP would be ideal.
roob
He has a strange way of showing this.
TheMan 3
Nutting wishing they were more ready for the upcoming season? They could be if you opened up your wallet and allowed Ben to sign significant players
I could see it he had said this a month ago but ST starts in about a month and the choices are becoming scarce to sign anyone decent that he’s willing to pay
tangerinepony
Well said.. I can’t see them winning more than 80 games this coming season
JackStrawb
2024 shorthand for “meaningful games in June.”
DarkSide830
lol
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Bob has really done Nutting to vastly improve the team
Black Ace57
The team does pretty well considering he refuses to spend Nutting for talent.
Unclemike1525
As long as I don’t have to dig into that sweet revenue money all things are on the table.
ohyeadam
Maybe if a Boras client or two are forced into short term deals it could be worth it. Division is wide open. Brewers and cardinals aren’t the teams they have been recently. Like Nutting says, if they can make the playoffs in the new format who knows what can happen
JackStrawb
How do people miss that the whole point for Nutting is to run a major league team?
His goal is to just stay in the game without risking going broke. That’s it.
wvsteve
Hopefully this is a purposeful timely interview prior to a few moves. I was really hoping they would add a young controllable starter or bat to get excited about but that hasn’t happened yet. Hopefully do something soon and add at least 2 to 3 more players to this team.
Let’s Go O’s
I wouldn’t hold your breath
JackStrawb
@wvsteve Sure. It’s about to happen. Any moment now. Any moment. Any moment now…
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Bob has recently released his new cd called “The
Basement Tapes”
It’s a documentary on paying little & getting the expected results.
TrumboRedux
Curly, why does it sound like the title of a damn snuff film?!
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
……people are dying to know
cpdpoet
Might have to alter the name?
It was actually a cool documentary @bob dylan’s “lost songs”. Not a huge dylan fan, but he does deserve better than being potentially linked to that grifter?
Burned Faceless
It was a Bob Dylan and The Band collaboration. It’s an excellent album.
Cosmodogs
I didn’t realize they had legalized hard core drugs in Pittsburgh?
mazbilleroski
Translation: the 2024 season will suck, just not as bad as last year
McGrundle
Thus, the “contention” that will manifest within the fanbase about how effective the off-season efforts were.
Simm
While a lot of pirates fans don’t seem to like Nutting I do think he hired a good baseball guy in Ben Cherington which should give them some hope.
runningwithnailclippers
Hahah.. I think that most fans really do like Nutting just not in the sense you speak.
Simm
I see what you did there and I definitely have to agree.
slidepiece
If Ben can pitch, then you’re correct
Cincyfan85
I think the Pirates add Michael Lorenzen.
Baseball Purist
And he will hit cleanup.
Fenway 1
Saying “We’re short of that still” when it comes to having a good team is kinda harsh to the players.
big_balls_mahoney
Same old pirates. Don’t spend, hope for a winner, pocket the profits. Last time they made the playoffs, the next year they slashed payroll and raised ticket prices. I refuse to spend money on them
Scott Kliesen
That’s not true. In 2016, the year after winning 98 games, they raised payroll to over $100 million for the 1st and last time.
The issue with BN is he’s risk adverse to the Nth degree. The Chris Archer deal turned him from ultra conservative to scared shitless.
Melchez17
How will they do that? They haven’t improved the team at all. Just by wishing and hoping?
Rsox
The Pirates don’t have enough pitching depth to contend for “the whole season”.
A rotation of Mitch/Keller/Martin Perez/Marco Gonzales/Quinn Priester with Bailey Falter/Luis Ortiz/Roansy Contreras competing for the 5th spot is still probably the 5th best rotation in their own division
joew
Priester, Keller and Contreras have fairly high ceilings but I doubt they’ll get close to it with the current development at the MLB level.
Ma4170
I would actually expect Skenes to be up this year.
YourDreamGM
They don’t have enough pitching to even go into spring training. Better get 1 more.
Rocker49
Fans should want nutting more than that!
mario crosby
Nutting is incapable of telling the truth when it comes to the team and providing the necessary resources to actually compete. How many owners would admit they haven’t fielded a competitive team in six or seven years that feels like a decade?
TheMan 3
actually it’s rare for Nutting to even comment on an upcoming season
poppopts
Nothing has been done to improve the roster over last year. In fact, I would say at this point in time, the roster is weaker. Last place,,,,here we come.
Bounty Hunters IA
Nah no need to worry about that. The east Missouri team is far worse than your Pirates. Their laughable roster will keep you out of last place
DonOsbourne
We got Matt Carpenter! What more do you want?!!!
alwaysgo4two
You have a point, with Carpenters history against the Pirates, that alone could keep the Cardinals out of last.
DanUgglasRing
Sure. The Rockies ownership seemed pretty sure they’d at least go .500 too.
acoss13
Considering how the Dodgers, Padres, Giants, and Diamondbacks are all fielding competitive teams, Rockies won’t be sniffing 70 wins. Monfort was just hyping ticketholders last season. Nutting is just doing the same.
its_happening
Might want to get to work then, guys. Pitchers and Catchers report in about a month.
Human Being
“Contention Throughout The Season” = “Crack Pipe Dreaming”
Joeydonuts
It doesn’t matter who the pirates add. If at least five of the dozen+ prospects theyve been auditioning aren’t able to contribute, they’re toast.
User 4095290658
And if they click they’ll walk that division.
runningwithnailclippers
Nutting is doing exactly what his name implies to the Pirate fanbase.
njbirdsfan
I am going to laugh and laugh when they win 83, sneak in and win the whole thing.
Citizen1
Broken system. Dodgers skirt the luxury tax, pirates don’t spend the luxury tax money they get.
Didn’t the cba pass minimum payroll?
Gwynning
Nope
filihok
Citizen
“Dodgers skirt the luxury tax,”
The Dodgers are in no way skirting the luxury tax
They are, for example, paying Ohtani $2 million this year and it’s counting $46 million against the CBT. That’s a weird damn way to skirt the tax
joew
Fillhok. They are counting 46M against the CBT instead of 70M or so.
It really isn’t skirting, just creative contract structor that lowers the hit on the tax amount.
Not demonizing anyone with this comment it is a win-win for player and team just saying how some might consider that ‘skirting’
joew
teams do not get ‘much’ from the luxury tax. before the new CBA teams that didn’t pay the tax received half of the total tax paid. I think that is still true but i’m not sure. so a total of around 105m gets distributed among 22 teams assuming it is the same.
Now the revenue sharing is another whole can of worms. I believe the amount of sharing received dramatically increased the past couple years.
Note that all teams get the revenue sharing. Many if not most or all do some manipulation on spending that by putting money into areas that are not MLB player payroll. It is way more noticeable on small market and rebuilding teams. All the money gets spent, how it gets spent is the part in question. Since MLB teams do not have to show the books in most cases it is hard to say what is happening.
Tacoshells
I hope I’m Nutting throughout the season
Greg.white
Which season though-off or regular?
TrumboRedux
It would be hard to hate on a team that did that..
holecamels35
Team needs to be competitive for sure but it will be nothing more than a flash in the pan if they don’t get better at developing their prospects. First round picks need to produce, a few of these young pitchers need to work, and Skenes and Temarr absolutely have to be very good/great players or they will never be good. That’s how small market teams win, then you lock these guys up to favorable deals and go after a few pieces to round out the squad.
dshires4
He’s way too young for senility.
Enrico Pallazzo
What a crazy concept! So crazy it might even work. Imagine running your team in a way such that you actually try to win! Mind absolutely blown. Someone give this guy a trophy or something. This is going to change the way everyone thinks about professionals sports.
Grumpofm
The pirates have never been big players in free agency. Since 1976, not just the current owner/GM. These articles and comments make me laugh. When people act like the owner of a team is going to go out and say “we plan on sucking this year and finishing last.” Then throw the people they hired under the bus.
SupremeZeus
Abolish divisions. Salary floor. Force sales.
Gwynning
You’re batting .667, no reason to bench the Divisions. The other 2 are difficult and really only amended through agreed-upon CBA verbiage… and Manfred growing a pair. Tough sell to other Owners, I get it.
PiratesPundit51
Tough sell to the owners making $100+ million off their local TV rights, which is like 8 teams.
A fair proposal would be something like this:
1. Share all TV money equally.
2. Institute a floor that’s equal to at least the TV revenue.
3. No hard cap, but rather a cap on the number of $30 million+ AAV contracts per team. Each team must also have a $10 million+ AAV player.
4. Service time becomes “professional service time” – 4 years for college juniors/seniors; 5 for college soph/freshmen; 6 for HS draftees; 7 for international signees. Once you sign, the team control clock starts ticking. Revamp team control/arb system.
swinging wood
Narrator: “They won’t.”
joew
they need to be connected to Trevor Bauer if they’re adding starting via free agency
User 4095290658
I don’t like the guy or what he did, but I’d have no problem if BC signed him tomorrow.
joew
no one proved he did anything except for being a jerk. In at least one instance it was reasonably proved to be BS. Being a Jerk also depends on your point of view.
If he actually got charged with any of the alleged crimes then I may not want to sign him. Only trial i know about was civil and it was settled and the way it was settled was a win for Trevor.
The only punishments he received was a Suspension from the MLB, being blacklisted from the MLB and lawyer fees.
JoeBrady
Being a Jerk also depends on your point of view.
==========================
A lot of this has to do with the type of s=x they engaged in. If he was gay, no one would say a word. If he was trans, the same people would want a holiday named after him.
There are the same biases that people have had for thousands of years, just a different target.
ClevelandSpidersFromMars
Actually, there’s an idea. I think the Pirates rotation would actually be much improved if they just hired all the former Indians/Guardians pitchers on the market. Bauer and Clevinger would surely bolster their starters. And Kluber and Carrasco would have as much chance to start a few games as the guys they’re considering. All cheap, too. And the p.r. hit would be diminished by signing all on one day.
luckyh
On an unrelated note. I love their vintage caps. My dad was born there, and always remember they would bring them out on occasion.
User 1404051815
I swore off calling Nutting a cheapskate. Maybe “politician” is a better term. This was an interview in which he said absolutely nothing. Instead of Mackey doing the interview and it appearing in the PG, you’d have thought this emanated from the Pirates crack PR Department
Just another opportunity to sell some more tickets. At least Mackey had the chance to go to a warm weather site for the interview
Big whiffa
Pirates can take a big step forward w a youth movement like reds had last year. Skeens Oneil Davis are the big names to start. Pirates also have several top pitching prospects that are ready for trial. I’m excited even if their fans aren’t lol. If Miami can make playoffs in the east surely the bucs have a chance
westcasey
I’d like to see Pirates to sign (SP)Clevinger, (C) Gary Sanchez and then (2B) A. Rosario in that order.
mrflimflam
I’m not a Pirate’s fan but I don’t root against them. I believe they will have a season like the ‘22 Orioles and ‘23 Reds. Pitching is the only thing holding them back.
joew
Their chief weakness is pitching. Pitching and a horrible offense. Their two weaknesses are Pitching Horrible offense and a bad defense. Three their three weaknesses are Pitching Horrible offense and a ruthless devotion to profits FOUR….
Amongst their weaknesses are Pitching, offense.. .ah i’ll come in again.
User 4095290658
Nobody expects the north shore indecision.
Joe Robbins
I feel like the Cardinals and the Pirates need to make a trade. Both teams could actually help themselves out. Matthew Libratore, Andre Pallante, Giovani Gallegos, Luken Baker, Dylan Carlson for David Bednar and Bubba Chandler. This way the paths are clear for Libratore, Baker and Carlson. They can get a chance to play and produce. Pallante can spot start or help out in the bullpen.
YourDreamGM
Pirates aren’t trading for that trash.
alwaysgo4two
Seriously…..spare parts for one of the best closers in baseball?
runningwithnailclippers
But it’s the Cardinals and they think all their players are just the best because Cardinal fans are just the best..
JoeBrady
they think all their players are just the best because Cardinal fans are just the best..
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Same with every team, except the RS.
stan lee the manly
You think the Cardinals are going to send what could be FIVE players from their major league roster if Baker is up for a lateral move from Gallegos to Bednar and a guy who hasn’t played above AA? They are going to compete for the division lol, they aren’t stripping their roster.
Joe Robbins
Gallegos for Bednar is no lateral move. This does not strip their roster. It gives them Helsley in the 8th and Bednar in the ninth. Chandler will be a major league starter in 2025/26 at some point, and a good one at that. The Pirates wouldn’t miss him with the other guys that they have coming up. You sound like the Cardinals front office. Trying to convince yourself that those guys will be good with the position players experiencing part time play at best at the major league level. With the Pirates they would play, and the Cardinals would get a real closer.
joew
Its more likely Bednar extends on a team friendly rate. Most likely for 2024/5 Bednar stays put and status quo as the pirates want to attempt to contend. he has control so no rush.
Trade doesn’t make sense for either team. Pirates need a mlb ready starter and offense. They’re not going to give up an All-star closer and a quality pitching prospect for really what amounts to one quality closer (which they already have) and a handful of really questionable players.
BC is more of a quality over quantity guy so with that thinking, Bednar, Chandler and Mitch Jebb for Jordan Walker. No? I didn’t think so.
PiratesPundit51
The Pirates would never trade for Gallegos, he’s worth 2-3 wins for the Pirates as a member of the Cards’ bullpen.
RandorBierd
I’m aiming for an intense physical relationship with Emma Stone. Set your goals high.
TrumboRedux
Jennifer Love Hewitt circa 2001 here we come!
YourDreamGM
A+ owner
TrumboRedux
And YOU are an A+++ GM! I would be proud to have you as my POBO. You have earned the promotion!
mlb1225
Can we just add one more pitcher, and one who might make an impact beyond what youd expect from a 4th starter? The trade market and free agent market still have guys available. Please, just make a move to address pitching.
IndyNorm
I believe the Pirates have indeed made some pretty decent offers to FAs this year, however no one wants to play for a loser. They have to exceed the going rate to get a good player and have never accepted this idea. Thus players go elsewhere where they have a better chance to play for a championship. Since money talks, they need to go above the market rate.
With Nutting, he doesn’t want to get to market rates so they don’t get good players. Cherrington has no recourse but to do bargain basement shopping.
Nutting’s comments are meant to excite the fan base, but never achieve anything worthwhile.
holecamels35
It’s kind of funny the Royals who have been a very bad team over the past few years, signed the two top pitchers I wanted the Pirates to sign. And for the most part, they keep their players around for a long time. Even if they can operate like that, I would be happier.
User 2079935927
KC knows if those pitchers don’t pan out, they will flip them for draft choices.
Niekro floater
So he wasn’t really trying b4 or those other seasons ? 2many greedy turd owners ! 2busy counting all that revenue sharing coin. Owners did it 2themselves when they green lit them 4joining the club.
User 2079935927
Hey you Pirate Fans have a beautiful ballpark to watch games. Nuthead knows this. So why $pend when you don’t have too.?
He knows he couldn’t get away with is if they were still playing at 3 Rivers.
bucsfan0004
Yea its a nice ballpark, but no energy in the stadium. None. Just a place to go for a cheap night out. Buy anywhere-tickets and slip an usher a few bucks and he/she will guide you to empty seats in the section you prefer. Because Nutting doesnt pay the ballpark staff either. Google that story for a chuckle
IndyNorm
I have long thought that BC could talk Nutting into signing a higher level FA with the idea they will trade him at the deadline. They have some arms which will be ready by then.
jorge78
Nutting is delusional…..
Windowpane
Nutting blowing smoke up people’s fannies. Contention? Lmao!
runningwithnailclippers
I am pretty sure that is not how Nutting works. I mean, he may accidentally do that.
martras
Then OPEN THE WALLET, miser.
Mendoza Line 215
The Pirates will probably add one more starter but at the prices being paid they will be content to wait to see if the young pitchers develop quickly.
I don’t really blame them too much.
The season will depend on the development of players like Suwinski,Davis,and Cruz,and whether Tellez and McCutcheon can hit this year.
Nutting is putting Cherington on notice that he needs to win as many games as possible.
Given their lack of talent in coaching I doubt that they will win more than the 76 games that they won last year.The Cards and Reds have improved themselves by actually adding starting pitching,and the Cubs and Brewers will once again have decent teams.
Cherington will have one more year after this so if he does not win he better make some big time changes.
User 4095290658
I’m not so sure the pitchers the Cards have signed are going to improve their team. I really hope BC has a trade brewing for another SP or signs Clevinger/Lorenzen.
Mendoza Line 215
I think that Mozeliak was so ashamed at how poorly the Cardinals played and pitched last year that he went full force early to sign starting pitchers.He overpaid and for mediocrity to some extent but at least they tried,the same as the Reds.
Lorenzon is too up and down.
It seems that the Pirates May be interested in Ryu and Clevinger or both if the prices are cheap,with the idea of trading one or both at the trade deadline as the youngsters mature and Brubaker and possibly Velasquez come back.
I do not see any point in signing the bottom of the barrel starting pitchers at this point.
PiratesPundit51
The proof will be in pudding as far as the Cards and Reds. Both of those teams have pretty volatile bullpens, which they haven’t really fixed in any meaningful way. IMO, the Reds have some sophomore slumps coming as well.
Every single team in this division is basically hoping for a few breakouts, none are truly separated in either direction from the others. Whoever has the most guys injured/underproductive will be last, and it truly could be any team in the division, as none have great depth. Conversely, getting a big season from an unexpected source or sources is going to propel a team toward the top. The Pirates probably have a few less candidates in that respect, but even getting last year’s production + 2022 Rowdy Tellez + a reasonable facsimile of a healthy Oneil Cruz probably puts the Pirates well into the mix heading into September.
User 4095290658
ESPN see the Pirates as one of the best candidates to be a ‘breakout’ team.
espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/39336308/mlb-top-5…
SteveM7
Bob Nutting is human garbage. He continues to hold the fans of Pittsburgh hostage with zero opposition from MLB.
TheMan 3
Connor Joe will be 32 this year and wasn’t a consistent hitter even in his prime so he probably will be platooned more this year
Jack Suwinski must cut down on the 175 strikeouts from last year and if he still can’t hit lefties, he shouldn’t be batting against them
Will Keller be pre 23 AS game or post? If he’s post, they won’t have a chance.
Many people here like Delay because he can handle pitchers but has no power and swings at pitches nowhere close to the plate
And of course there’s the question of starting pitchers
JoeBrady
I don’t think so. They had 71 wins on a Py W/L. Cruz should add 3 wins, maybe Davis (less Endy) adds another 2 wins. They played better down the stretch, but I don’t see where they are adding enough WAR to even finish .500.
octavian8
Big difference between aiming for contention and doing something about it. Fans deserve better.
Katahdan
I love owners. All Nutting needs to say is, “I’m committed to winning a Championship.” Instead, they use strange sentences like “aiming for contention throughout the season.”
Doublespeak at its finest. Sorry Pirates fans. You ain’t gonna contend. He just wants your money for tickets.