The Orioles have shown some interest in free agent left-hander James Paxton, according to Jon Heyman of the New York Post. Paxton is the latest of many pitchers linked to the O’s on the rumor mill this offseason, largely in the middle tier of the free agent market — as Heyman phrases it, “every starter from Marcus Stroman on down.”
Paxton is theoretically a familiar AL East opponent for the Orioles given his recent time with the Red Sox and Yankees, though Paxton hasn’t actually faced Baltimore since 2019 when he was part of New York’s pitching staff. This speaks to both a quirk of the schedule and the simple fact that injuries have largely kept the southpaw on the shelf for most of the last four seasons. After pitching just 21 2/3 innings total from 2020-22, Paxton was healthy enough to toss 96 innings for the Red Sox last year, posting a 4.50 ERA, 24.6% strikeout rate, and an eight percent walk rate.
This 2023 work was bookended by two stints on the injured list. A hamstring strain delayed Paxton’s season debut until May 12, and his last outing came on September 1 before right knee inflammation shut him down for the remainder of the campaign. It is worth noting that Paxton had a 3.34 ERA over his first 86 1/3 innings and 16 starts, before getting tagged for a 14.90 ERA in 9 2/3 frames in his last three outings.
If the sour ending can be attributed to his knee problem or perhaps just fatigue from his first significant workload in years, Paxton’s 2023 results indicate that he can still find success against big league batters. Naturally injuries are always going to be a lingering concern for Paxton and he won’t be counted on as an innings-eater, but he could be an interesting fit on a young Orioles team.
Kyle Bradish, Grayson Rodriguez, Dean Kremer, and John Means seem locked in as the top four members of the Orioles rotation, and Paxton would therefore be the primary fifth starter. In order to preserve Paxton’s health, the O’s could manage his innings and usage by having any of Cole Irvin, Tyler Wells, Bruce Zimmermann, DL Hall, or Jonathan Heasley either take spot starts, or work in some kind of non-“starting” capacity (i.e. as piggyback starters or opener/bulk pitcher combinations) to cover innings.
Signing Paxton wouldn’t necessarily raise the ceiling of the rotation, yet if a frontline ace isn’t available in the Orioles’ price range (whether financially or in trade costs), a relatively smaller outlay for Paxton might at least help raise the floor of what the O’s could expect from their pitching. It would also leave some flexibility for Baltimore to perhaps pursue another starting option closer to the trade deadline.
Baltimore has seemed unwilling to make a splashy move in the free agent pitching market, as a source tells Heyman that such top available hurlers as Jordan Montgomery or Blake Snell aren’t realistic options on the Orioles’ radar “unless the market collapsed.” However, the O’s did at least check in on Aaron Nola before he re-signed with the Phillies, and they have reportedly had interest in such trade targets as Dylan Cease and Corbin Burnes. The team also looked into such upper-tier relievers as Josh Hader, Jordan Hicks, and Robert Stephenson before inking Craig Kimbrel to a one-year, $13MM deal.
oriolefaninva
Stop being tightwads, spend some money to push this team over the hump, it’s no secret that the orioles can’t develop pitching.
Seamaholic
Actually that IS a secret and you are the only one who “knows” it. Their staff is mostly home grown, and it’s solid.
oriolefaninva
Seamaholic you don’t pay attention because the only rotation members that were drafted and developed by the Oriles are Grod and John means. Bradish cane from the angels and Tyler wells came over as a rule 5 pick so try again.
Gwynning
Snell should be priority #1 for the O’s… I don’t get it.
King Floch
John Angelos ain’t opening his (daddy’s) wallet for Snell.
Simple as.
dankyank
GRod took a major step forward post demotion and was the top pitching prospect in the game entering the season. Operating under the assumption that the organization lacks an ace would be a big mistake for the Orioles. Even more so if it causes them to sign a pitcher with as many red flags as Snell.
Fred Lingenfelser
As an Orioles fan, I’d be very wary about getting Snell at the cost I believe he will demand. I’m not sure what it is about him, but he’s never really turned his stuff into wins. He’s had more losses than wins in about half of his big league seasons, and has really only had 2 amazing years (2018 and 2023). Those were also the only years when he’s pitched more than 130 innings. In the other years, he’s had WAR of just 1 or 2. So to me, it’s a gamble for a pitcher who will command a lot of money and a lot of years. I’d rather the O’s put the money into extending their future core.
CGG12
No, Montgomery should.
No QO attached, so they can continue building their already stacked farm.
Prettier peripherals. Coming off a great post season run, including knocking the O’s out.
Most importantly, he’s just consistent. Eats innings. #3 rotation arm for a floor, with an ace ceiling.
Guess it’s all irrelevant, since clearly the O’s won’t spend.
Os1995
In addition to financial restraints, I don’t think the Orioles want to lose a pick at the end of the 1st round. You lose your third pick when you sign a QO guy which just happens to be a 1st round pick this year since the orioles have 3.
CGG12
J-Mont isn’t a QO guy. He was traded at the deadline, so he can’t be.
King Floch
Actually, yes, the Orioles CAN develop pitching. It isn’t 2005 anymore, we actually have a competent GM and a coherent player development program now.
BrianStrowman9
The O’s don’t draft the pitching to develop though.
King Floch
We went heavy on pitching in last year’s draft and Elias has made a number of trades for pitching prospects since taking over- Bradish, Povich, McDermott, etc.
BrianStrowman9
He drafted a lot last year but they’re years off. Aside from Povich—I don’t think there’s an arm ready to come in and take a slot early this year.
McDermott looks like a solid pen arm to Me.
stymeedone
The Orioles have more non pitching prospects than any one. That makes every trade target within their range. They just need to make a move.
stpofsd
I’d rather have Wells in the top 5 than Paxton. why the hate for Wells? his first half was very good
Fred Lingenfelser
Exactly. Wells is younger, costs less, and less likely to be injured 3 games into the season. Orioles still need an innings eater, but no reason they need more 80-100 inning guys like Paxton.
stymeedone
I like Lorenzen for them.
OIC2021
Ridiculous story that his agent planted. O’s will NOT spend on often-injured SP
Boxscore
Wonder if the Sox can even outbid the O’s for Paxton. Talk about an off-season that’s turned to s**t. ..
just_thinkin
Wow an Orioles fan who somehow isn’t aware they developed Bradish, Rodriguez, Bautista, Hall… Yikes bro leave your fan card at the door
baseball99
An Os fan who doesn’t know DL Hall has 33 IP with a 4.36 ERA, didn’t realize that qualified as “developed” ♂️
I.M. Insane
Jury is still very much out on Hall. I just wonder what the O’s would have been like the past 5-6 years had they not foolishly wasted a decade going after home run hitters and not pitching or youth?
Just Rob
There’s no one available to spend on who will “push them over the hump” (note – they won 101 games last year).
Why waste money? Keep your powder dry for when real talent is available.
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
The days of the disastrous farm system and the inability to produce quality pitching ended a few years back. But getting some pitching help elsewhere should be a goal, for sure. The O’s have prospects tripping over each other down on the farm, but very few are pitchers.
dm867
Half right, half wrong. They do develop pitching now. But looking at someone like Paxton is par for the course it seems with free agents. Signing mid to low tier players to short term deals…
D-Nice
They are horribly cheap. If there was ever a team in the position to buy one expensive player, it’s them. And everyone has the money so that’s no excuse.
Arnoldpsufan
You haven’t been paying attention.
gorav114
The entire rotation was developed by the Orioles. Only exception would be Cole Irvin and he’s #6
Salzilla
Despite their success last year, the O’s still haven’t given any indication that the front office even wants to compete. It’s like they won last year despite that. It’s like when a wrestler got over in the WWE despite Vince McMahon wanting them to.
Ubaldo Jimenez
False
Salzilla
Show me the proof? Where are the moves that teams now in contention make to get them over the hump? Or do you think young inexperienced talent can get the job done on their own?
Just Rob
Of course young inexperienced talent can get the job done on its own. Doesn’t mean it will, doesn’t mean it’s exciting for off-season hot stove chatter, but it certainly can.
Internal change happens through off-season player development and natural body maturation. GROD, Bradish, Hall, Kremer, and Wells should all be better next year then they were last year – and they were all pretty good (Hall being the least good with his reset, but still pretty dominant out of the pen late in the season).
They signed Kimbrel to address Bautista injury. They’re not doing nothing; they’re just more interested in winning games than winning the offseason.
Salzilla
I addressed this below, but a bat and better rotation arm would be a heck of better improvement. It’s not about an exciting offseason it’s about understanding how young teams work. Maturity doesn’t happen overnight and second year blues are a thing. Sometimes grabbing a few good experienced players can help those players through. Yes, Kimbrall was a good move, agreed.
Arnoldpsufan
It got them 101 wins last year, they just slumped towards the end.
Joeydonuts
101 wins=not wanting to compete
Salzilla
What does that have to do with the FO? What did they do to get them to the finish line? I’m not trying to deflate O’s fans, because I’ve always liked the team as I have family there and have been to a lot of games, but I dunno.
Was Flaherty enough at the trade deadline? Ultimately no.
Signing Kimbrall was a good start for 2024, but a better arm for the rotation and another big bat would have been the things I would have expected as fans this offseason.
Just Rob
In theory, sure I agree with you. However, which big arm? Montgomery isnt a big arm. He had a career year and is trying to cash in. Snell is way too inconsistent for what he wants and in the back 9 of his career. The 25 year old the dodgers signed was the o lot big arm, but the is weren’t going that big.
As for hitters – what position are you putting a big bat in? Is rotate their DH and use it to keep Adley in the lineup and match up with O’Hearn. They don’t have room. Henderson, Rautschman and Mountcastle, plus Holiday – Westburg and Hayes are it. Santander and Kjerstead can mash. Mullins gets hot for streaks at a time. Their lineup is pretty set.
Joeydonuts
How does winning 101 show the front office doesn’t want to compete?
You forgot to say
C Yards Jeff
Hey Joeyd; I dig “Joeydonuts” as a handle. Ranks right up there with the guy who goes by “slapnuts”. If the 2 of you would join up to launch the podcast “Balls talking with Joeydonuts and Slapnuts”, I’d tune in.
Agreed, 101 wins is nothing to sneeze at.
Ubaldo Jimenez
You’ve yet to do anything but complain. The FO drafted Rutsch, Henderson, Kjerstad, Westburg. Developed them, and the guys leftover from the DD era. Built this team. Refused to part with guys just because you want them to. Have brought in unconventional contributors like O’Hearn, Perez, Coulombe, Mateo, etc that played great roles for us. The FO made OPACY an attractive place for veterans again. They modified the fence to cut down on the RH homer mashing, for christ’s sakes. They went and got Flaherty, even though that didn’t work out. The guys brought in via FA have been solid, and great clubhouse guys – Lyles, Gibson, Frazier, Odor. Houston wasn’t built on FAs. It was built on young, controllable talent. Clearly, that is the FO’s plan here. And to look at 101 wins and say the FO isn’t trying to compete despite this team being a direct result of the FO’s roster building with a focus on team cohesion and individual character make up… makes you sound completely tone-deaf. You’re just complaining to complain. It would seem you want the O’s to go the route of the Padres, and sell the entire farm for guys that are supposed to “get us over the hump.” But look how that went in SD… overextended payroll, bloated contracts, a barren farm system, and barely cracked .500.
The FO is doing everything right.
Salzilla
Hey yall, I’ll just say this because I can’t respond all day on it, but if you like what they’ve done as fans, great. It’s your team. As an outsider, it looks like this: keeping the talent is cheaper, the guys they brought in were plugs that luckily worked out. A lot of things went right last year for them. Can they sustain it? Do you believe all of these young talents will work? We’ll see, but teams that are serious about winning make the big moves to get their team there, and I’ve yet to see “the big one.” Whether it be a significant signing or trade.
Joeydonuts
Toxic fans equate spending big dollars with “wanting to win more”.
Enjoy the Mets!!! .
No one wants to win more!!!!!
Salzilla
eeew Mets.
How’s anything I’ve said toxic? Lol. Odd take. Just giving an opinion, and I’ve done so without any toxicity.
C Yards Jeff
Back in 2018 Elias interviewed with Os. He got offered the job and took it. He’s a bright guy, pretty sure he asked Angelos to describe the model/philosophy parameters he would be following (IE gut the team, rebuild and live cheap).
Obviously he took the job …, and like his boss wants, he does it on the cheap. From here out, IMO, one of two ways this could go down:
1. Angelos gives green light to spending
2. Angelos family sells
My bets on 2. As soon as they get what they want on the business side (real estate expansion/growth around OPACY), bye bye.
Will Elias stay?
Joeydonuts
Toxic fans equate spending huge dollars with “wanting to win”. Like you did.
I’d say winning 101 games in the toughest division shows the FO knows what they’re doing.
Salzilla
Thats toxicity to you? Again super odd and defensive take. A toxic fan would belittle and talk down to you, none of which I’ve done. I gave you an opinion on your team based on how a lot winning teams have done it.
Houston was brought up and they indeed brought in the guys via trade or free agency to get there, it wasn’t just young talent, and just to bring it around simply to the topic at hand: Paxton ain’t it.
You don’t have to agree, but toxic? Sheesh, come on now.
Joeydonuts
Where did I say the Os were my team?
Stupid take.
You still haven’t explained how a team that doesn’t want to compete manages to win 101 games.
Did you forget?
Did you mean they don’t want to compete for last place?
Ubaldo Jimenez
“teams that are serious about winning make the big moves to get their team there, and I’ve yet to see “the big one.”” – oooook. Because those big splashy moves always work out, right? Soto to SD? XB to SD? DeGrom to TX? Correa to MN? Story to BOS? Stanton to NYY? Baez to DET? Gallo to NYY? Pffffft. Ask the Mets and Pads and even the Rangers from two years ago when they were sub-.500 with BOTH Semien and Seager how those big moves helped them in the short term.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Wow Baltimore fans are a very sensitive lot. Don’t dare anybody criticize a 101 win team that couldn’t hack it in the playoffs. That looked like absolute dead canaries in the playoffs. It’s very obvious to anyone outside Baltimore , I guess, that a team full of young players who stayed relatively healthy last year is due for regression. Remember how lucky Baltimore got playing well over 8 wins beyond their Pythagorean Win-Loss Expectation last year??? Let’s see them duplicate that again. So far I see a 85-90 win team as-is , and that’s if everything rolls their way again. Baltimore fans need to show a bit more humility & living in the real world.
Joeydonuts
Lmao
You can’t even follow a thread.
Uh, the topic isn’t your inane predictions, or last year’s pythag or last year’s playoffs.
Swap out “obtuse” for “ignorant”, and you’ll have the perfect screen name.
My lord
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
You were the one hyping up the 101 win juggernaut. I was just providing fodder for why the 101 wins may have some smoke & mirrors behind it and definitely some luck due for regression. Not sure how that’s not “following the thread.” I do like the ring of ‘Obtuse SOB’ though, I will have to consider that one, thank you.
BrianStrowman9
I like this.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Orioles have the prospect depth to acquire a solid rental, not sure even Paxton will be cheap enough for them.
kripes-brewers
They really should go after Burnes. You only get so many chances at the big show, and this team is right there…
Just Rob
Brewers don’t seem to want to trade him. Takes 2 to tango.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
I don’t think Paxton on a one year deal would be a bad thing. If they get him cheap enough it would be low risk potential high reward. He should be able to match or better Kyle Gibson numbers minus the starts of course. You probably aren’t getting 30 starts out of Paxton like you would Gibson. If you can get 20 out of Paxton that’s the ceiling for him.
King Floch
I’d probably be fine with rolling the dice on Paxton if Chris Getz is going to hold fast to his unreasonable demands for Cease.
The Orioles’ rotation situation isn’t nearly as dire as the general perception outside of Baltimore would seem to indicate.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
I would like to see what DL Hall could do as a starting pitcher myself.
King Floch
Yeah, I would be okay with giving Hall the 5th spot in the rotation if a deal for a clear upgrade over Gibson isn’t feasible. He still has TOR upside.
Roidville Slugger
Interested, eh???
Old York
Teams are scraping the bottom of the pitching barrel.
King Floch
Paxton was a league average pitcher overall last year. I wouldn’t really call that “scraping the bottom of the pitching barrel.”
Rick Wilkins
He just has to comment on every article. Some are swings and misses.
Old York
@ZacharyP
I guess you’re not a fan of facts and data. Don’t worry, most baseball fans are in the same boat. They get more excited about the 7th inning stretch and their phones than the actual game.
Old York
@King Floch
He wasn’t League average. He was replacement level at 101 ERA+. His Wins Above Average (WAA) was 0.3, so he was essentially offering 0 wins Above the average player. He’s, as I point out correctly, bottom of the barrel.
King Floch
You literally just proved my point that Paxton was a league average pitcher last year.
Well done.
Old York
ERA+ is not league average. He provided League average wins above average, being 0. How does that prove your point? Hilarious!
King Floch
101 ERA+ (100 is league average)
0.03 Wins Above Average
So yeah, Paxton was pretty much exactly a league average pitcher last year. Case closed.
Old York
ERA+ is replacement level, so you can replace him with a minor leaguer. WAA says he provided 0 wins above an average MLB player.
Bottom of the barrel.
King Floch
League average isn’t bottom of the barrel.
I am sorry that you are having so much difficulty grasping that.
BigRedMachine
Talented Pitcher who is ALWAYS hurt. Worth the look but doesn’t it have to be on a “prove it” type of contract? The Mariners gave him $10 million two years ago and he pitched two innings…..Total that year
YankeesBleacherCreature
What type of contract are you suggesting for him from the O’s considering that there are most likely other suitors?
King Floch
Paxton should at least be able to command a contract in the same neighborhood as what Lance Lynn got this offseason.
YankeesBleacherCreature
I think that’s fair with an opt-out and/or ’25 vesting option based on IP similar to Giolito’s deal.
mlb fan
Say what you will about Lance Lynn, but he tends to always post up and be on the mound. That’s not something you can say about Pax and his never ending list of injuries.
YankeesBleacherCreature
No doubt but Paxton has the higher performance ceiling.
BrianStrowman9
@Floch
I’ll bet that Pax gets less than Lynn. Too many durability questions. Maybe something w/ incentives that gets him to Lynn’s salary. I’d bet the base salary is a few million dollars cheaper.
Motor City Beach Bum
The Orioles overvalue their prospects. They have the depth to offer three or four solid prospects for a solid young starter like Cease, Skubal or Gilbert but are unwilling to do it. Prospects are just capital to get what you need to win a world series and most of them don’t work out.
Mayo could end up being another Joey Gallo. Povich could end up as a depth bullpen piece. Basallo as Joey Bart. Norby and Ortiz as backup infielders.
Roll the dice Baltimore (you too Cincy).
King Floch
Just because you can afford to overpay for something doesn’t mean you should overpay for it.
Just Rob
It’s not rolling the dice with Elias and Sig. they know what they’re doing and are pretty good at it (Jack Flaherty trade notwithstanding).
Rolling the dice can result in trading away Schilling, Harnisch and Finley for Glenn Davis.
One of these centuries, O’s fans will forget about that and perhaps be more inclined to roll the dice, but not yet, and, until then, the O’s will (hopefully) be strategic and measured with how they value and trade their prospect capital and other people’s mlb capital.
Motor City Beach Bum
Once bitten twice shy. I get that. I still remember the short term happiness Doyle Alexander brought, and the long term disappointment of John Smoltz going the other way. But having said that there’s always the deals that swing the other way like Miggy for a bunch of players who were AAAA players, backups and an okay reliever. It hhappns to every team but that doesn’t mean you stop trying, IF you think you are getting the right piece. You guys are an ace away from a World Series win. I’m not sure that Cease is that guy.
Joeydonuts
4 prospects for two years of cease.
Lmao
Was ceases solid in 2023?
Motor City Beach Bum
I wouldn’t. But what about Skubal? Not that I want the Tigers to trade him.
Texian44
They need to sign Paxton to replace Flaherty to sit in the bullpen and do nothing.
Bob Sacamano 310
There’s gotta be some middle ground with the Sox for Cease. Westburg, Beavers, Povich, lottery ticket?
I’ve been thinking it’s going to be one of Cowser/Kjerstad, one of Ortiz/Norby, and then 2 lesser pieces but now I think it’ll be a different first piece (Westburg) and then a better players in the back part of the offer than in the first. More of a quantity than quality.
Ubaldo Jimenez
Westburg, Povich, and Kjerstad are going absolutely nowhere.
Bob Sacamano 310
Coswer (2), Norby (7), McDermott (10) or Beavers (9), Bradfield (8), Norby (7), Seth Johnson (15)? Keep your top 6 prospects and best left-handed pitching prospect.
YankeesBleacherCreature
What’s the O’s stance on locking up Rutschman and Henderson?
Ubaldo Jimenez
Expensive
C Yards Jeff
I can see Rutschman happening.
Henderson? Use him while you got him. Won’t be able to compete with big spenders for his services down the road. Trade him well before UFA status to maximize big haul in return. Os don’t need another Machado trade fiasco.
King Floch
Gunnar is a Boras guy, he is 100% gone after 2028. Holliday is also a Boras guy, so probably no extension possibility there either.
Adley might be open to it, but John Angelos seems to be completely unwilling to spend his daddy’s team’s money on payroll so he is likely gone after 2027.
MacGromit
@King
Not trying to be overly dark here but if Peter Angelos passes before 2027, the next owner might feel differently than John. Presuming John follows the wishes of his father in selling the team after his father’s passing so that his mother can enjoy “what they’ve built together”.
But outside of that small sliver of hope, I’d agree with you that the 2 Boras clients are likely to be wearing Dodger Blue or Bronze Pinstripes after their last yr of arb.
its_happening
Montgomery should be the lefty they pursue. Paxton isn’t durable enough.
O’s are in great shape to make a big move or two at the deadline.
dankyank
Health wise, Paxton doesn’t represent the greatest gamble but he has the potential to be a decent #3 starter. FWIW, it’s better for the Orioles to give GRod a chance to grow into the role of staff ace than meet anything close to the absurd asking price for Cease.
Goin' to Sheetz
This move doesn’t move the ceiling or floor of the rotation. The Red Sox can keep him. Elias is waiting the trade market out until February.
C Yards Jeff
Agreed, can’t see Pax moving the dial all that much. Switching gears here; interested in seeing how C McDerment (sp?) and S Johnson do in SP camp.
178iq
This guy is worthless.
178iq
Monty is the lefty to go after.
schwender
I’m being punished for my comment in the Red Sox interest thread:
“its stupid when the Red Sox say they cant find a pitcher, yet they ignore James Paxton. its like saying you’re hungry when theres a hot dog on the ground outside”
baseballteam
Beware the Ides of Kimbrel.
Bob Sacamano 310
Paxton is garbage and unreliable so makes sense they’d be interested!
Bobby Mongan
Think about this. The O’s have lost Kyle Gibson from the rotation that they had last year. Instead of paying excess money on high priced free agents or trading away prospects for pitchers that may or may not do well, this move would have less impact on their overall plans and may offer at least the same benefit as Kyle Gibson had on the staff last year. They could even add a second possible replacement at a small cost as well.
Mike Elias is sticking to his formula and it’s reaped benefits. Why fix something that isn’t broke?
Fred Lingenfelser
As an Orioles fan, I would rather them find a TOR / MOR pitcher via trading some of the glut of infield / outfield prospects, and could dangle guys like Santander, Hays, and Mountcastle as well. Put the money into extending Adley, Cedric Mullins, and Gunnar. Those guys are tough to replace both offensively and defensively.
Then sign the best innings eater they can get on a short term deal, and call it an offseason.
PiratesFan1981
Is Vince Valesquez going to be offered a contract before the season begins? His timeline for a return is June (the latest) after his UCL injury. I’d take a flier on him and see what he is capable of. He won’t be an innings eater and should be on a pitch limit. Guy looked really good before his injury in the 2023 season with the Pirates. I wouldn’t object to a reunion between the two. But I am very surprised that teams haven’t signed him to a minors contract until he gets to baseball shape for the season. Down the stretch, this guy has a legit shot to solidify the rotation of any team. Sign this guy now and wouldn’t have to trade for him later if a team is in contention while needing pitching.
hoof hearted
everyone talks about the O’s needing pitching. Looking at that list of pitcherrs, they have a pretty decent stable of pitchers.
King Floch
Hey look, someone actually paying attention!
Nice to see that not everyone just blindly accepts the popular narrative of the moment.
It would be definitely awesome if the Orioles added another good SP but it’s hardly a necessity. Bradish, Grayson, Means, and Kremer are a perfectly solid top 4 and Wells, Hall, and Irvin are perfectly solid 5th starter candidates.
D-Nice
The Orioles are cheap af. They’re right on the cusp and won’t buy one expensive player. Thank goodness it’s not my favorite team. Everyone has the money so that’s no excuse. Except for the apparent fact that the owner wants it for himself.
PiratesFan1981
Can you blame them? Chris Davis ruined them and I don’t think they want to do that again.
dave frost nhlpa
As a Yankee fan this is a huge mistake for Baltimore,even with that bogus LF wall moved back.
stretch123
They need a legit ace
Susannah
What is an “Ace”? Who is available right now?
stretch123
Cease, Luzardo & Burnes
Susannah
Not sure if Cease really is one. He had 1 year of that. I would think an “ace” should average more than 6 innings per start. Are Luzardo and Burnes really available?
dano62
They won’t spend the money; best move would be to target a Marlins pitcher & move some of Cowser-Ortiz-Johnson etc for it. They are 1 strong arm away from being a WS contender IMO
HBan22
That type of package for Luzardo could make a lot of sense for both sides.
Joeydonuts
Right. Those 101 wins last year don’t them a contender
cwsOverhaul
Why don’t the Marlins and Orioles line up on high end pitching for high end position players? They both seem to have what the other wants for staying competitive against deep pocket divisional foes.
Goin' to Sheetz
I’m assuming they will. Luzardo or Cabrera.
dankyank
The core issue is that Elias rightly sees trading these players in their current prospect state as giving them away for pennies on the dollar. The current strategy has been to let the farm system develop on its own timeline while simultaneously seeking out low cost, surplus value transactions.
Why jeopardize the future when the current strategy already has the rebuild ahead of schedule?
Goin' to Sheetz
Sure, but they going to run out of roster space and then you wind up letting Vavra and Stowers languish for nothing. That’s punting on the player value and capping your ceiling prematurely.
Trading Ortiz or Norby isn’t jeopardizing the system. But he’s not dealing Urias and Mateo either. There aren’t 9 infield spots.
dankyank
Urias and Mateo are both placeholder types from the rebuild and Vavra is a post-hype prospect at best. None of these guys are long-term pieces and opting to trade Ortiz, Norby or Stowers to keep any one of the aforementioned three would be a huge blunder in the long run.
Goin' to Sheetz
Not arguing with you there, but he’s not sending anyone. Cutting them and receiving nothing is just foolish. But I assume the roster will look different in a month.
highflyballintorightfield
Orioles have a ton of uncertainty because the future direction of the team won’t be known until Peter Angelos passes. I think the family has other plans for the team (like selling) that are limiting flexibility to make aggressive moves now. They can get away with it for the time being because of the arrival of top prospects, so fans just have to live with it (and chalk up another black mark against the Angelos family and their mismanagement of the team).
Niekro floater
Thats gonna B ur big offseason addition !? Team is loaded n ready 2bust w/young ready position players, right on edge of bein real force not only in AL East but in all of MLB n this is what u come up with ? Angelos family must go, get the “poor” owners out of league n do what’s in MLBs best interest. Puke ownership that has put out below avg effort in fielding competitive team 4decades minus a cpl yrs. Fans of Os deserve better, MLB deserves better. Should B kicking tires on Snell not sum ol beatup has-been w/long history of not bein healthy. Need a big horse stud to anchor that pitching staff, 1 u can count on to eat big innings in important starts. What a waste.
skinsfandfw
Anyone know the owners name? Sounds like a real tight wad.
Being facetious of course. Snell wouldn’t sign with us anyway. I think he wants to stay on the left coast. Paxton is meh, like Gibson and Lyles before. But at least those two guys stayed healthy and provided innings.
But why we’re not going after Montgomery is beyond me. Great fit for OPACY. Plus keeps him away from the competition (Rangers and Yanks). Give him what he wants.
Owner won’t allow that kind of coin to be spent though.
LambchoP
Even my Twins should be able to offer this guy a one year deal. Would much rather they trade for a more frontline starter, but we need to replace the quality innings Sonny Grey pitched for us last year somehow and so far we’ve done NOTHING:(
Crash_n_burn
Ryu would have been a fine pickup for the O’s
Won’t break the bank should accept a 1 year deal, and with the club contending he may be interested in joining them.
Niekro floater
Ryu would B a positive addition, an older pro 2show Os kid Ps the way. Like that move a ton more than Paxton. Rather they give rookies n/or cpl quality AAAA Ps the opportunity to get hot in spring than sink resources into ol unhealthy P that doesn’t really elevate the staff.
Baseball_dude
I gave up on Orioles after last season (yes I know they made the playoffs, Won over 100 games, and have a young team) but I’ve been watching them for over 30 years, I’ve practically watched every other team MAKE IT to the World Series in my lifetime except for the orioles, it’s the same story every year “we just need pitching” but truth is, that will never happen. Their last true ACE was Mike Mussina. The orioles were not swept in the regular season one time last year, but it MAGICALLY happened in the 1st round of the playoffs against a wild card team. They have a young team, but not that young at the same time, A couple of their bigger guys are free agents in the next year or two, they don’t have pitching, and it’s false hope every year. I’m not going to let them fool me for another 30 years. I’m done with them.
King Floch
They lost to the eventual WS champs, who were scorching hot at the time. It happens, no reason to throw a temper tantrum over it.
Baseball_dude
at some point you Gotta stop making excuses for them my man. It’s been 40 years since their last WS appearance. It’s not a temper tantrum, it’s called being fed up.
King Floch
It isn’t an “excuse,” it is simply what happened.
Blaming the current leadership (which is excellent BTW) for bad things that happened prior to 2019 because you’re “fed up” is silly and childish, which is essentially what you are doing. The Orioles are one of the best-run and most exciting teams in baseball right now, if you want to miss out on the fun times coming over the next few years, that is your business.
Baseball_dude
This goes way beyond 2019. If it was only a 10 – 15 year drought, I wouldn’t say anything, but 40 years is overdone. Maybe they’ll have some fun seasons in the next few years,but maybe not. The future isn’t guaranteed for any team, the teams that played bad in the east last year have gotten better this offseason while the orioles just sat there and watched as usual. They had a real shot last year and blew it.
King Floch
Nothing from prior to 2019 is relevant because the people making the decisions presently have only been in charge since 2019.
Niekro floater
Os window is wide open and u only get so many shots @WS w/good core group b4 Os will cry poor n start dealing players that R getn paid. Was obvious they didn’t have the horses on pitching staff in playoffs but have done nothing, not even a Gibson or Lyles lateral move 2help weakest part of team.
FanOfTheUmpires
Arguably the most underrated/underappreciated stadium in all of baseball.
Wrian Washman
For Christ sakes you have the number 1 rated farm in all of baseball you can get a Burnes, Cease, Luzardo WITHOUT having to concede Jackson Holliday.
King Floch
Burnes and Luzardo probably aren’t really available right now, and Chris Getz apparently doesn’t actually intend to trade Cease this offseason since his reported asking price is so absurdly high that it has seemingly scared everyone off.
Rsox
Maybe I’m too competitive or too “old school” but if a team told me “we want to sign you and use you as an ppener or use an opener in front of you” I’d have to say “no thanks”. MLB needs to implement the minimum innings for a starter rule thats been tossed around
top jimmy
Big Maple? More like Big Glass.
Stan Papi
Does anyone remember when the Red Sox were relevant? Me either.
Texian44
It is easy to say trade this or that prospect. Or this bunch. But today, the best reliever in baseball (by consensus) is John Hader. He was drafted by the Orioles but someone thought Bud Norris was the answer to all their problem. Just saying.
gr81t2
Please sell the orioles.
Texian44
You know all those “low risk, potential high reward” waiver pick ups over the past couple years. Those are now gone. And if Elias doesn’t trade some of his 40 man, there are a few that are not eligible for the Yo Yo to Norfolk and back. . They have to be kept on 26 man or DFAd. Webb, Baumann, Perez, Mateo, Urias, Hilliard, and Zimmerman. There is 38 on the 40 man today.
LordTeaboBaggins
G Rod needs his own fan section for starts. We can call it… “The G-Spot”