The Reds have had a fairly busy offseason to this point, headlined by the surprise addition of switch-hitting infielder Jeimer Candelario on a three-year, $45MM deal. Beyond that, the club has addressed its pitching staff by picking up Frankie Montas and Nick Martinez as potential rotation options while shoring up the bullpen with Emilio Pagan. GM Nick Krall suggested to reporters, including C. Trent Rosencrans of The Athletic, today that the club is unlikely to make any more “major moves” this winter, though it’s possible they’ll look to bolster their bench or bullpen depth before Spring Training begins.
It’s not necessarily a surprise that the Reds don’t expect to make any other significant additions in free agency, as the club has made more than $100MM in salary commitments this offseason after much smaller offseasons in recent years. On the other hand, RosterResource projects the club for a payroll of just $101MM next season even after all of that spending. That still leaves a healthy amount of room relative to the club’s all-time high of $126MM back in 2019 (per Cot’s Baseball Contracts), though it does represent a significant step up from the club’s $87MM payroll in 2023 and roughly in he same ballpark as 2022’s $107MM figure.
Somewhat more surprising than the idea the Reds may not look to sign additional free agents of significance is the fact that Krall seemed to indicate the club doesn’t expect to swing a significant trade throughout the remainder of the offseason. The club’s infield depth is the envy of the rest of the league, and Cincinnati appears to have more position players ready for an everyday role in the majors than they can afford such an opportunity to. That’s caused Reds infielders such as Jonathan India to generate plenty of buzz on the offseason rumor mill, with India even landing at #11 on MLBTR’s list of the Top 25 Offseason Trade Candidates.
Of course, an unexpected opportunity cropping up on the trade market or even via free agency is always possible, but it seems as though the club will now shift its focus to fine-tuning the roster with minor moves. Giving the aforementioned deep positional group the club has at its disposal, the bullpen seems like a more likely place for additions at the margins than the bench, though it’s at least conceivable the club could look to add a right-handed hitting outfielder to its bench mix to help balance the trio of Jake Fraley, TJ Friedl, and Will Benson alongside Spencer Steer and Stuart Fairchild.
As for the bullpen, Alexis Diaz looked like a capable late-inning arm last season and a supporting cast of Pagan, Lucas Sims, and Sam Moll should help the Reds field a competitive relief corps next season. With that being said, the club’s bullpen ranked in the bottom half of the league in terms of ERA (16th), FIP (23rd), and xFIP (29th). While the addition of Pagan and a healthier starting rotation could take some of the load off a relief corps that threw 652 1/3 innings last year, it’s easy to see where the group could benefit from further reinforcements. The Reds seem unlikely to play at the top of the relief market with players like Josh Hader, Jordan Hicks, and Robert Stephenson, though lower-level arms with late-inning experience such as Brad Hand or Adam Ottavino could make sense to add a veteran arm to the late-inning mix.
vaderzim
Hopefully the trust in their youngens pays off in 2024.
Shadow_Banned
Some teams are okay with being morbidly obese. Some teams are okay with completely sucking.
The reds are one of these teams.
runningwithnailclippers
You have just made one of the least comprehensible comments I have read on this MLBTR in a very long time. Congrats.
Shadow_Banned
How can you look at yourself in the mirror and think “yeah this is the team we’re putting out there“?
runningwithnailclippers
Usually when I look in the mirror I wonder how I got so old and fat.
paddyo furnichuh
But put your favorite team’s cap on then….No wait, shadow’s comment is still a bit nebulous.
Shadow_Banned
@running it’s an honor to age my brother died young. There’s a lot of life left to live especially if we approach each day with curious wonder.
Sometimes when I think that I just get a change of scenery.
dhud
Because they put 4 players on the field last year who received ROY votes
User 1404051815
As a Pirates fan, I root for the Reds as the next best thing in the NL Central. They’re a lot alike, with the Reds having better young talent, at least to my eyes. But like here, there seems to be this reluctance to push a bit harder to strengthen their pitching and roster in a division that’s winnable
Guess I get @Shadow_Banned’s analogy. The highlight of our summer is the annual trade deadline
Very Barry
Cincinnati is not serious about winning.
VegasSDfan
Yes, they are hoping for a WC spot.
Domingo111
The reds ownership has been bad the last couple years but this year they have spent the 6th most money of all 30 teams so far.
They also have one of the best farm system and good young mlb players so that is a good start.
Obviously they have had talented cores in the past and not kept it together and that could very well happen again but the next 2-3 years could be quite good for the reds standard maybe it is like the early 2010s again or even a bit better.
drasco036
I don’t quite understand why Reds (and Cubs) fans are complaining about their ownership being cheap.
The Reds were a wild card team in 2020, due to Covid they had to cut payroll and it was a flawed team to begin with, in 2023 they competed for a wild card spot, now they have the best farm system in baseball and are ready to compete again.
I’m just saying it could be a lot worse than just a couple year rebuild, look at the White Sox, they rebuilt for a decade and made the playoffs twice and they are already back to the drawing board.
This one belongs to the Reds
“Done making major moves”? You actually have to make some first.
Cincyfan85
What would make you happy exactly?
Wrian Washman
What would make me happy is for the Reds, Pirates, Rays, A’s, and Rockies to stop bottom feeding
runningwithnailclippers
Wrlan/Whatever aka Mr. Trollster: You do realize the Reds are not bottom-feeders currently? They finished 3rd, and after checking my information again, that is not last place.
They have a bright future by making smart trades and holding onto their youngsters. Such a bottom-feeding mentality. (That is sarcasm in case you cannot comprehend it).
Franklin Nitty
They traded away 2 Cy Young candidates last year for prospects.. Both would have been affordable. Saying those are smart trades depends on where you sit on the fence. They also let Wade Miley walk for nothing in return. Not sure how smart that was.
runningwithnailclippers
@Franklin Nitty: They didn’t trade any potential CY youngs last year. You are maybe thinking bout 2022 when they were bottom or close to it record-wise. The players they got for those starting pitchers are pretty much regulars or will be soon on the MLB team. Almost every review of the trades say they Reds won them. Check your info first before misjudging.
It made a ton of sense when those trades were made in 2022 to make them. They were going nowhere.
JoeBrady
What would make me happy is for the Reds, Pirates, Rays, A’s, and Rockies to stop bottom feeding
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In other words, you don’t have the foggiest idea what the Reds’ and the Rays’ records were.
Is this like millennium thing where kids have to come in and demonstrate their ignorance?
JoeBrady
They also let Wade Miley walk for nothing in return. Not sure how smart that was.
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He went 2-2 for $10,000,000.
And you don’t think that was a smart move?
Wrian Washman
And then as soon as Elly, Lodolo and company cost anything more than $5 dollars to keep or extend they are traded and the cycle continues for all the teams I mentioned. Having a 3rd place finish (sad that reds fans are even proud of that) doesn’t mean these franchises aren’t known for bottom feeding. Particularly the Pirates and A’s.
cguy
Reds emerged from an obvious rebuild at least half a season early after losing 100+ games the previous year. They posted a winning record in 2023, which they should be proud of. BTW Reds did extend Hunter Greene last year. In any objective contest to name ML Most Valuable GM/PBO for 2023, Nick Krall would at least be on the podium. LM teams that just buy veteran FA don’t have to spend time at the ML with development, but small market teams like the Reds do. 2024 season will necessarily be a development season – but as a competitive team.
cguy
Also , in my humble opinion, the 2024 version of the Cincinnati Reds (wirh a host of young very talented players/prospects) will provide some of the most exciting and entertaining baseball avaiable next spring/summer.
JoeBrady
will provide some of the most exciting and entertaining baseball
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I see them being this year’s Orioles. They won 82, and I think the entire rotation has more talent than they showed. They ran out 4 SPs, with 92 GS, whose ages ran from 23-25.
Those guys could make a massive improvement this year.
drasco036
Who were the two Cy Young candidates? Castillo and who else? Gray certainly wasn’t a Cy Young candidate when he was traded.
Shadow_Banned
Go after snell, Hader.
I can’t understand why owners are good with having s.hitty teams.
I guess some owners view their team more as a business that makes them money while other teams do that AND are relentless at winning.
Like the Dodgers
paddyo furnichuh
McCourt n Murdoch called to remind you how the Dodgers were fairly mediocre when they owned the Dodgers.
I’m agreeing with you btw.
It seems that some owners say they have so much pride about winning and some owners show through action their pride in funding a winning team.
That characterization may be unfair to Castellini. But for Monfort , Nutting, and Fisher-it seems accurate.
paddyo furnichuh
But the Diamond sports debacle makes many owners look just cheap now to some fans ( eg: Padres and Twins)
JoeBrady
I can’t understand why owners are good with having s.hitty teams.
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1-They were > .500.
2-Teams can only spend what their fans supply, and you don’t strike me as the type to actually attend games.
Wrian Washman
Fans only supply when there’s a consistent product worth watching with success in consecutive seasons. The Reds don’t strike me as a team to actually do that. Bottom feeders. Congrats on 3rd place in the second weakest division in the MLB.
JoeBrady
Shadow_Banned
Go after snell, Hader.
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So your idea here is to spend $100M+ on Hader to replace Diaz?
padam
A major move.
Big whiffa
What would u have done differently if you were the gm this offseason ?
And let’s say the Red Sox would have taken india for sale. Would u want sale or montas next season ?
Joel P
I think there was room for both Sale and Montas. Reds could have traded an infielder with similar value to Grissom which is probably India.
vtadave
Or they could have gone after a guy like Montgomery
Bob Sacamano 310
Nah Grissom has twice the control.
Joel P
The problem with Montgomery is Boras. He’s trying to get every penny he can from every possible suitor and unless a team overpays by a lot Montgomery isn’t going to sign yet. The team has to be willing to wait and risk missing out on other free agents and I could understand why they wouldn’t want to do that.
I would definitely rather have Montgomery instead of Martinez and Candalerio if I was the Reds. But it’s not that simple.
1984wasntamanual
The years of control aren’t even close
Cincyfan85
@Joel P You’re right about Sale, but you also have to keep in mind that he also had a no trade clause. He may not have been willing to waive that to come here. Atlanta is a Top 3 team and also closer to his home state of Florida.
Joel P
Yeah I didn’t realize he had a NTC good call. I still think a trade for a Bieber or Cease would make sense for the Reds.
Cincyfan85
@Joel P I would also love that trade, but Bieber’s arm does worry me. The talk of Clase needing to be included seemed to scare the Reds off. I don’t get that. I think Clase is better than Alexis Diaz. In fact, I think Alexis Diaz is kinda overrated. He’s good, but not great.
VincentChase
The Reds were definitely inquiring about Cease until they heard the White Sox asking price for him.
outinleftfield
EVERY AGENT is trying to get EVERY PENNY they can from EVERY possible suitor. It’s literally their job. If they didn’t do that the player would move on to an agent that did.
SHOW ME THE MONEY!!
ShannonL
What I would have done differently instead of $8 million a year for 2 years for a relief pitcher who is not going to be our closer or even likely our 8th inning guy; or $13 million a year for 2 years for a 32 year old “swing man” someone who can function out of a bullpen which as mentioned we already have a closer & set up man or can function in the back of a rotation which we already had several to fill that roll; or $15 million a year for 3 years for a corner infielder when we already had Marte, steer, EDLC & CES all cheaper younger and probably just as good; and instead of $16 million next year for a pitcher who if healthy could be the type of pitcher we actually needed 2 of but has not pitched in a year.
Instead of spending that $52 million additional next year and beyond I would have signed sonny gray for 3 years $25 million a year and Eduardo Rodríguez for $20 million a year for 4 years and then got another left handed middle relief pitcher and a right handed outfield bat to platoon with Benson/fraley with the other $7 million. Might not have cut senzal and let him function in that roll plus utility infielder.
Joel P
Your team has been as active as anyone has in free agency. Not all the moves are what you would have done I get that but the Reds are certainly spending and making an effort. Gotta give them credit for that.
JoeBrady
Your team has been as active as anyone has in free agency.
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He strikes me as the sort that doesn’t know what moves his team made.
This one belongs to the Reds
He knows EXACTLY what moves his team made and how they actually improve it or not so much.
Just because some moves were made doesn’t mean it necessarily changes anything.
Po Boy used the term “major moves”, not me. Still waiting to see that.
pohle
with the payroll constraints due to ownership’s wallet size, you have to commend the reds this offseason for where they have allocated payroll space. if you want to say they should have spent jeimer’s money on another pitcher, fine, but giolito just got similar money over less years. this pitching market does not have all that much supply, but montas could be good value and martinez could make 20 decent starts. plus, the more time they take to evaluate their current glut of position players, the more likely they are to make the right personnel decisions down the line.
This one belongs to the Reds
You all are getting bent out of shape for no reason.
You night be Reds fans, but you do understand the meaning of “major moves”, right? None of these could be termed major.
Joel P
Montas could be a number 2 starter. Martinez a 3 or 4 starter. Pagan is a pretty good pen arm. Candelario is a good 3b the Reds didn’t need but good player nonetheless.
How many teams have improved more than the Reds have this offseason? You can count them on one hand.
rememberthecoop
You may be right, although “major” is a subjective term obviously. However, for what its worth, a big market club like the Cubs passed on re-signing Candelario even though they have nobody to play third base. At least, nobody I’d want.
outinleftfield
Montas could be a #4 or #5 starter. Martinez could be long relief or a #5 starter. Candelario is a mediocre 3B that can hit decently well even if he is bad defensively that the Reds didn’t need.
How many teams that signed as many FA have improved less than the Reds this offseason? You can count them on one hand.
There. Fixed your comment. .
runningwithnailclippers
You don’t need major moves to make a team more competitive. The Reds have a very solid core and have literally just improved their team. They were never going to spend $100 million on a pitcher in the first place. And Krall is smart for not slashing his minors into pieces for overpriced starters.
cguy
Rweds have signed 3 of the top 50 FA out there this offseason. I would venture by definition that those are major moves.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
Texas never made any medium or major moves. At least Cincinnati made a few moves that are somewhat significant.
FletcherFan69
PO BOY
stymeedone
Well, trading India would not be a major move, for either the team he’s going to, or what the Reds would get back.
Joel P
India and Williamson for Manoah and Pearson would be fun.
pohle
just saying this buys him huge leverage in any potential trades, i still would see one as more likely than not but if they really would rather hang on to all of their position players then any of their asks for a return are likely to be sky high, as in top pitching prospect or young potential starter who has already touched the majors. either way, solid job of taking care of some business this offseason, earlier than most other teams. the reds may still have some ways to go but they do look improved
stymeedone
Yeah, right. His statement absolutely does not effect the reality of where the team is, and where it needs to be. Does this make the fans more understanding when he says “sure, we could have gotten Cease, but I said we were done with major moves.”
Cincyfan85
If the Reds sign anyone else for the bullpen, I expect it may be Brent Suter. He is a LHP that could replace Alex Young. He’s also a local guy, and he’s good at limiting long balls, as we saw last year in Colorado.
They really do need to add a right-handed OF bat that can hit lefties. I think Kike Hernandez would be an interesting guy to add because of his versatility and (from what I’ve seen) he’s a good clubhouse guy. Adam Duvall would be my preference, but I think he’ll be too expensive and want more playing time than they can offer. Playing CF to backup Friedl is preferred.
Bdonnell
Maybe give Kyle Lewis a shot for RH backup OF? GABP could be good for him to try to regain health and make a comeback.
EnglishM
With his knee now he’s DH or bust I’m afraid.
yeasties
I like the idea but look into his injuries; I got the impression earlier that his knee is ruined but that might be premature
HBan22
I’ve been expecting the Reds to sign Suter all offseason, for all the reasons you mentioned. He’d be a good fit as another proven lefty out of the pen.
ohyeadam
Micheal A Taylor is still out there. GG caliber glove and league average RH bat with some decent pop. Shouldn’t cost too much, I prefer him over Duvall for the defense and health concerns
Cincyfan85
@ohyeadam I prefer Michael A Taylor too, but he just had a great season. He’s going to want to play everyday AND I think he will cost more than the Reds can pay for a platoon bat/backup OF.
octavian8
What are the chances we could pry Luis Robert from the ChiSox? Friedl, India and Petty or Williamson?
Cincyfan85
Slim chance. They’d want something nuts. Arroyo, Petty, Lowder, Collier, and Hinds.
This one belongs to the Reds
They’d be nuts to trsde Friedl.
ShannonL
Agree on that. Here is a very cool stat on Friedl. Last year he had 18 home runs and 18 bunt hits. Has not been done since 1974 I think.
JoeBrady
Last year he had 18 home runs and 18 bunt hits.
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I think FG had an article on his bunting. It was insane. There are some lefties that fall off the mound towards 3rd, which leaves the right side completely open for a bunt.
Friedl didn’t even try to be cute about it. He would square and bunt it right at the 2B, and it was game-over. He had a .708 OBP on bunts. Combined with his SBs, that’s a huge weapon.
Shades of the Alou brothers.
Poolhalljunkies
Maybe abbott , marte and india plus some smaller pieces ,..robert has an insanely team friendly deal and mvp caliber talent
ohyeadam
If the price for Cease is true I don’t think any team has what it takes to get Robert
mad1
What “major” moves have they made?
octavian8
We seem to be getting hung up over the word “major”. But there’s little question than this team is better than last year.
Joel P
Seems like the team needs to trade an infielder. Maybe for pen or outfield help.
BPrice's 77 F-Bombs
According to C Trent – makes me run away in the opposite direction! youtube.com/watch?v=pTu-5iiJpb4 – he’s the reason i started swearing.
southi
I still feel that the Candelario signing was unnecessary. It only succeeded in potentially adding to a position of strength and failed to address any true need. I don’t even see him approaching his 2023 success either.
outinleftfield
In the Great American Bandbox he should hit well. He will still be a bad defensive 3B. No way around that.
stymeedone
He’s not bad. Just average.
outinleftfield
Bad as in -26 DRS as a 3B. -5 last season.
baseball-reference.com/players/c/candeje01.shtml#s…
earmbrister
Of course the career numbers you cite are largely a result of 2017 and 2018 were he was -8 and -11 respectively.
In their top 50 FA predictions MLBTR said that Candelario is “a roughly league average defender at third base and should be able to stick there for a few years”.
Maybe it’s a LF vs IF thing.
outinleftfield
What part of -5 at 3B last season did you miss?
earmbrister
What part of the widely accepted conclusion that mlb defensive metrics are inaccurate and flawed did you miss?
The three MLBTR writers that put together the top 50 FAs have him ranked #13 (the #5 position player) and say that his 2023 numbers stand “at an impressive .251/.336/.471. Candelario hit 22 homers and 39 doubles, three off his league-leading 42 doubles from two seasons prior. He draws a decent number of walks, strikes out at a roughly league average clip, and has solid power. Candelario hits at a slightly above-average level from both sides of the plate and owns a .254/.328/.437 slash over the last four seasons.”
As for his defense they say that “Candelario can play either corner infield spot. He’s a roughly league average defender at third base and should be able to stick there for a few years”.
However, we should ignore the guys who write about baseball on a daily basis and listen to some guy with an anti Reds bias who plays LF in his beer softball league.
Yeah, you’ve got it all figured out.
Cincyfan85
The following post on X from @bryce_spalding made me rethink how I felt about it because I felt the same as you:
3,474
That is the number of plate appearances the #Reds had last season from all Infielders and DH.
CES
Candelario
McLain
De La Cruz
Marte
India
You take 3,474 divided by 6, that’s 579 PA a piece. Steer will DH some, Benson some, Fraley some, but I think the “log-jam” was greatly overexaggerated. 162 is a long ass season.
1 single person had more than 579 PA last year for the Reds and that was Steer.
HalosHeavenJJ
Love this post.
Having more good players than starting spots is a great thing. Worst case scenario is you have guys taking a day or two off each week and staying healthier.
As of now the Reds are set to be able to overcome an injury or down year from a guy or two. That’s a good place to be because odds are that’s what will happen.
earmbrister
Candelario can play 3B, 1B, and is a quality DH bat. The Reds will no longer rely on the Senzels, Myers. and Newmans of the world for significant ABs. If injuries occur, or one of the sophmores falter, Candelario capably mans a corner infield position. Otherwise he and CES battle between 1B and DH. JC is a significant bat for the middle of the lineup. That’s why MLBTR has him as the 13th best FA this offseason and the 5th best position player.
As for you not seeing him approaching his 2023 numbers, perhaps glasses are in order. Candelario is moving to a much more hitter friendly ballpark and has OPS+s of 137/121/81/119 over the last four seasons. I wouldn’t bet against him bettering his 2023 age 29 OPS+ of 119.
There won’t be any weak spots in the Reds 2024 batting order.
octavian8
If CES or Marte struggle and find themselves in Louisville Candelario will be very handy. Krall should be commended on building a versatile team.
Bucsfan4ever
Small market teams such as the Reds and Royals doing anything to improve themselves through free agent signings and trades and increasing payroll is good for baseball. I wish the Pirates would do more. I would love to see a Pirates/Royals World Series but my second favorite would be a Reds/Royals World Series
sfes
Id vote for one of those NL teams vs the O’s
runningwithnailclippers
I hope your Bucs get back on track soon. They do have some good young players but the injury bug has been killing you guys.
Mikenmn
Surely there has to be some money left over for a Scott Boras client?
wvsteve
As a pirates fan, the reds had a great off season and really made their team better. Assuming the asking price for Cease and some of these other so call available SPs was simply ridiculous
RobM
Big-market teams can breathe a sigh of relief knowing the Reds are standing down, conveniently with a payroll funded by the national TV contracts and local revenue sharing.
wvsteve
You mean local TV contracts and league wide revenue sharing?
RobM
Yes. National TV contract revenue is shared equally, even though they only exist because the TV networks want the major market teams. This is quite different than the NFL, which is a national sport with a limited number of games, so even the “smaller-market” NFL teams are contributing significantly to the national TV contract. There are no regional sports networks for the NFL because they’re not needed. That’s the part that those who want to mimic the NFL model in MLB ignore.
Meanwhile, every MLB team also contributes just under 50% (it was 48 percent before the last CBA, so I doubt it decreased!) of local revenues, which includes tickets, concessions, local TV revenue, parking, and I’m sure other items I’m not thinking about. That money gets put in the pot and is divided equally among the 30 teams. So a team like Oakland contributes very little to the pot and thus gets paid significantly more than they put in, while a team like the Dodgers gets a much smaller share. MLB’s revenue sharing system basically allows a team like the A’s to not care at all that much about ticket sales since they can fund themselves by contributions from other teams. This allows some teams to build toward the revenue-sharing number, but doesn’t give them much incentive to go over it. Why this is allowed at this level is a mystery, but the ownership of a team like the A’s (and Reds) love it.
stymeedone
Each team has an equal stake in MLB. Each had to pay a franchise fee (if expansion), or pay an exorbitant purchase price for that equal stake, but are not given equal sized markets. If LA and NY wish their markets to be divided up for other teams to move into, I’m sure the revenue sharing could be reduced or eliminated. However, I’m also sure they don’t wish to give up their advantage, and work with the market size of a Detroit, or Seattle, or Washington.
RobM
I’m not sure each has an “equal” stake in the sense that some teams are worth significantly more and are responsible for carrying a greater weight revenue wise. The smaller market teams love the current system, so they have no incentive to change it. They know they can operate at a profit off of the current revenue sharing system, meanwhile the value of their franchises continue to escalate. The larger market teams also have no incentive to change as they want to maintain their high profits and don’t want it to be divided up further.
An “error” MLB made was creating a tiered tax at the top, but not creating an equivalent tiered tax at the bottom. There’s no incentive for those teams to spend. Now, I put error in quotes because both the high-revenue teams and the lower-revenue teams are fine with this, and meanwhile the MLBPA doesn’t want a tiered tax at the bottom either because then it’s trending too much towards a salary cap system.
I’d be fine if MLB’s anti-trust exemption was removed, so let’s start by introducing a tiered tax at the bottom while also removing the anti-trust exemption. Let’s go from there. Not going to happen because everybody’s making money under the current system of a closed club group of billionaires.
Cincyfan85
Just want to point out a few things:
-The Reds barely missed the post-season in 2023.
-They started the season with a very different team that included Wil Myers, Kevin Newman, and Jason Vosler as starters. They were terrible to start the year.
-The pitching staff was often injured, young, and overused.
-They’ve added lots of depth to the pitching staff. They have healthy young guys who were good when healthy coming back. Nick Lodolo and Graham Ashcraft could be huge additions just by being healthy.
-Jeimer Candelario gives them some great insurance at 1B/3B. They are very deep in the infield. If there is any injury or someone regresses, they have the depth to replace them.
holecamels35
Stop making sense, not allowed to do that here. Spending money is all that matters, playing games be damned. Every team will just beg for mercy and refuse to play the Dodgers, making them undefeated.
hoof hearted
For the Reds, they’re off season gets an A+. they added without sacrificing young position players.
They just became the Fav in NL. Central in mybook
Alan Horn
I agree and they didn’t lose any of the young talent. That gives them more time to check their youngsters out.
Jabronie23
3rd place team. 4th if Milwaukee holds onto Burnes/Adames
Cincyfan85
I wouldn’t bet too much on that.
HBan22
I still really would have liked to see them land a top tier SP (Cease, Luzardo) through trade because to me their one glaring need was a true ace type pitcher, and they still have an overflow of good young trade chips. It’s a shame that they just barely missed out on Sonny Gray, as he would have been a perfect fit for them. The Candelario signing was completely unnecessary.
But with all of that said, I still give them credit for being willing to spend money and actually making a legitimate effort to compete next season. There is no doubt they have improved since the beginning of the offseason, and they can always make more moves at the deadline if needed.
Bobcastelliniscat
But how much will they actually spend? Have they really spent $77 M this off season?
On the surface it appears the Reds have spent $16 M on Montas, $45 M on Candelario and $16 M each on Martinez and Pagan. It sounds like a lot but….If the Reds struggle this year Montas will be traded after 4 months so the $16 M will be more like $12 M. It’s very unlikely Candelario will make it three years with the Reds. He most likely be traded in the summer of 2025 so instead of the Reds paying him $45 M it will be more like $22 M. Both Pagan and Martinez’s have an opt out after this season instead of the Reds being responsible for $32 M they will cost the Reds about $16 M. So the Reds haven’t really spent $77 M dollars. They have really only spent about $50 M. That is basically what they were spending on Votto, Moustakas and Shogo.
octavian8
Or, the moves work out well and we have an exciting and entertaining summer of great baseball and make the playoffs. No one knows the future and that’s why we play the games. Sit back, grab your favorite beverage and enjoy a summer of competitive baseball.
This one belongs to the Reds
Like they made moves at the deadline last year?
Good points above, Cat. They didn’t really spend what they are claiming.
Saint Nick
The Candelario contract feels like another Moustakas contract for Cincy. Not sure I like that one. Overpaying Montas was risky too. Weird offseason for them.
Jabronie23
Montas deal was good. It’s a 1 year deal and they’re paying for upside. I like it a lot more than the Martinez deal for sure
Saint Nick
I hope Montas has a great season just to throw it in the Yanks faces.
ShannonL
Montas is the only signing I am ok with. It has some risk sure but with starter era ranking 14 out of 15 teams last year he should be an improvement if he is healthy/
Alan Horn
I am scratching my head over the Cadelario signing myself. We are stuck with it for 3 years. Montas is a good risk if he is healthy. The contract is for only one year, so that is a plus.
octavian8
As a Reds fan I think we did enough for now. Are we headed for the World Series this year? I don’t expect to. Are we a better team? No question yes! We addressed the bullpen. We got a starting pitcher who has potential to be very good. We got a proven middle of the order bat who can play 3B, 1B or DH. All while retaining a deep roster and farm system. Who knows how it will turn out but dang, this is a far cry from where we were two years ago.
sss847
they don’t want to pay money or prospect capital for actual starting pitching, so this is the result. they might have the offense to mask that weakness though.
HalosHeavenJJ
I’d be happy with the Reds IF and DH mix and wouldn’t trade from it. That group will carry Cincy to whatever success they have next year.
There’s still plenty of time for a bullpen guy, maybe a minor or mid level trade to add depth.
Motor City Beach Bum
When you end up with two starters, two bench players and a bunch of nothings from your infield prospects aren’t you going to wish you had made some trades? You’ll know how the Yankees feel overvaluing their prospects…well, not the Yankees this year, they traded those magic beans all away for Soto. Make the trade for Cease. I want to see a small market NL team beat out the LAD and my money is on you guys! Prospects are fools gold. Let someone else get gold fever.
stymeedone
NY prospects get hyped because there are lots of clicks to be gotten by hyping them. When Cincinnati prospects get hyped, its not for clicks. Its because they can’t be ignored.
Motor City Beach Bum
That’s what they said about Nick Senzel and many others once upon a time. Can’t miss prospects miss all the time.
mad1
Cincyfan85 is drinking some serious reds cool aid today.
Cincyfan85
It’s a good team with as much potential as any team in baseball.
holecamels35
Sure some folks will complain but they had a great offseason. Maybe they could have traded a prospect or inifielder for an ace, but they kept everyone, added to the rotation and bullpen and got a very good bat. As a Pirates fan, I wanted Montas badly and would have been satisfied with this or the Royals offseason. Team can also improve as well considering they played without Lodolo most of the season.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #ConsistentlyBannedBaseballExpert
Word on the street is that David Stearns is also “done making major moves this offseason”. These small market teams like the Reds and Mets really need to watch their spending
RocDog19
Welp, the NL Central should be fun. Brewers shedding payroll(+a manager) the Cubs treading water, the Reds getting better on paper(can the youngsters keep the mojo going?) Can the Pirates maintain the first quarter of a season for 162? And the Cardinals….Can’t believe that a Club that needed pitching traded away Montgomery (who somehow every team wants now) and stocked up on old arms that were 4.5+ ERA last season. Maybe Walker will turn into the “homer machine” as advertised (Maybe he’ll find somewhere on the Diamond that just keeps the glove as something one can live with). Fun.Fun.( My Wonderful Wife is a huge Cubs fan so my Fandom is vicarious)
Datashark
Am awaiting til A’s announce they are done with off season signings. – They have really changed from a 50 win to 40 just like that.
Catuli Carl
The competitive balance in this league is so good. Every fan, no matter the team, has a chance to see baseball’s biggest stars put on their team’s jersey.
runningwithnailclippers
Are you paid by MLB to say that stuff?
Catuli Carl
What do you mean? Look at the even distribution of stars. No one team has too many more than the others. Any team could have signed Shohei Ohtani, he just really liked the Dodgers.
619MetroFriars
Pagan could be moved to closer for the Redlegs I’m thinking….
ShannonL
The reds had the 2nd best closer in the NL last year. Diaz is still on the team as far as I know.
jimd-2
Reds have improved in off season mainly in adding depth. The Montas move had the potential for big upside but he has to show he can pitch in Great American which is a home run haven… Big issues for Reds are EDLC hitting and David Bell managing. EDLC was lost at plate at end of season and Bell has never shown he can handle a bullpen. Lastly, Reds are a team that spends money in off season but sits on there hands during season under the Castellini’s ownership run…will that change this season?
This one belongs to the Reds
People think I am crazy when I say I can see EDLC going back to Louisville for a refresher.
Might be a big reason Candelario was signed and India is still with us. They are not sure either.
tonyinsingapore
As a 4th generation Reds fan, am fine with Ride or Die with Greene & Co. That includes a couple of guys that likely won’t hit the rotation until mid-season.
Better than trading Marte, Phillips and more for a vet…
redhaze1
Still think a reunion with Aroldis Chapman makes sense.
619MetroFriars
Redlegs have enough dough left to sign Matt Carpenter to replace Joey Votto at 1B/DH for a much more reasonable cost. He would be brought in to bat cleanup and corral the young Redlegs coming up in the system.
b00giem@n
I’m a Reds fan, am I happy with some moves? Sure, but just as confused with others or the lack of. At the end of the day though, I’m just ready for a new season. May it be at least half as fun as the last.
ShannonL
So here is where we are:
We have to “hope” montas can be healthy and pitch like he did with the A’s.
We have to “hope” that either Greene, lodolo or Ashcraft can out of nowhere become like Spencer strider and one of the others can be a mid rotation type with an ERA right at 4.
We should be able to count on Abbott or Williamson one or the other to be a mid rotation type.
We have enough options that at least a couple should work out but if we see ourselves at the deadline at .500 and half a dozen starting pitchers with ERA’s in the 4’s and 5’s we should be willing to trade for a big time pitcher rental or not.
ScoBoe
Wild Trade for Reds.. Do you say yes??!?
Reds get SP Luis Castillo from Mariners back..
Mariners get Noelvi Marte and Spencer Steer..
octavian8
No!
This one belongs to the Reds
How about this one? Elly for Castillo straight up.
He may end up being A Rod 2.0, but you know Elly will go for the bright lights eventually anyway and in the meantime you have a few years of Castillo plus plenty of other shortstops around.
titanic struggle
I’d do that..
MVottoP76
Major moves mean free agency…Cease will be a Red imo but not for everything they asked for