9:06pm: Yamamoto could make his decision within the next 48 hours, tweets Mark Feinsand of MLB.com.
7:55pm: MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that Yamamoto has at least one offer of $300MM or more in hand.
6:59pm: The Giants have been informed they’re out of the running for Yoshinobu Yamamoto, reports Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area (X link). While there’s no indication that Yamamoto has made his final decision, Pavlovic adds the Giants expect he’ll sign with the Dodgers or one of the New York clubs.
Andy Martino of SNY tweets that the Mets have not received any indication they’re out of the running. That’s also true of the Yankees, according to Jon Heyman of the New York Post (X link). Heyman indicates the Yankees have put a “significant bid” on the table.
Crossing San Francisco off the list technically leaves six known finalists. In addition to the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees, the Blue Jays, Phillies and Red Sox have been involved. Philadelphia has made an offer this week. That said, reports have cast the Phils, Jays, and (to a lesser extent) the Sox as longer shots.
Yamamoto has been weighing offers throughout the week. While he technically has until the evening of January 4 to sign, the expectation is that he won’t take things to the wire. That his camp is now in the process of whittling the field lends credence to the idea that a decision might not be far off.
The bidding seems as if it’ll surpass $250MM, before accounting for a posting fee owed to the Orix Buffaloes that could tack on another $45-50MM. That fee is in proportion to the contract size, calculated as 20% of the deal’s first $25MM, 17.5% of the next $25MM, and 15% of additional spending. That reflects Yamamoto’s atypical youth for a free agent pitcher (25) and his sheer dominance in Japan. Named NPB’s best pitcher three years running, he’s coming off a 1.21 ERA while striking out nearly 27% of opponents in 164 innings.
It’s a tough blow for the Giants, who come up short on another top-tier free agent. The Giants have missed on pursuits of Aaron Judge, Trea Turner and Shohei Ohtani within the past two offseasons alone, while their deal with Carlos Correa fell through because of the physical. Yamamoto will join that list. San Francisco did land KBO star Jung Hoo Lee on a six-year, $113MM pact — the largest deal of Farhan Zaidi’s tenure as baseball operations president — but they haven’t gotten a truly elite free agent in some time.
San Francisco still has plenty of spending capacity as they decide on their next steps. Roster Resource projects their 2024 spending around $158MM. That’s about $30MM below this year’s Opening Day figure. From a luxury tax perspective, they’re almost $45MM south of the base threshold. That opens the possibility for a run at any of the top remaining free agent talents. Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery headline the rotation class, while Matt Chapman was on the radar earlier in the offseason. So was the top available hitter, Cody Bellinger, although the Lee signing seems to rule out a pursuit of another lefty-swinging center fielder.
Andrew Martin
lol
sangroazul
lol… LOLOLOLOLOLOL
FSF
Really though. One has to be in the bidding before being out of it. It really should read “Giants never in bidding for Yoshinobu Yamamoto”
99CaptainJudge99
I heard the Giants offered $400 million for 10 years for Yoshinobu Yamamoto. At least they have Arson Judge though, in the fold- the trusted Jon Heyman.
JoeBoe
I am very glad they didn’t get judge, even if he’s great for another year or two.
Never made sense to me that he hit like babe ruth suddenly.
Wrian Washman
Suddenly? He went through a tough time his first year adjusting to major league pitching. He’s adapted and been awesome ever since.
Tigers3232
@Joe, Suddenly?? He hit 52 HRs in his first full season in 2017. Followed by a couple years he missed time and shortened Covid 2020. Judge has produced alot offensively when healthy, nothing sudden about it. He’s also 6-7 280 LBs he’s just a big dude.
JoeBoe
Tough first year? When he hit 52 hone runs?
There’s a reason judge didn’t debut until he was 25. He was never a top prospect.
Most of his career, he was 140 – 150 wRC+. 209 wRC+ (ruthian) in 2022, at age 30. Not a typical age for a career year.
I would not bet on him, even if I was sure he was clean.
Wrian Washman
Tough first crack at the big leagues 2016 when he hit .179 and wrote that down to remind himself to work hard and pop off the FOLLOWING year. Judge and Severino were highly regarded prospects teams kept insisting on having during the ’15 trade deadline. There have been plenty of players who found their stroke in or near their 30s. I’ve never seen someone be so wrong so many times with one comment on here. No excuses to be this ignorant in the internet age with so much easily accessible information. Unless of course you’re like under 18 in which case excuse my language young sir/ma’am. Last but not least what does 25 have to do with anything most prospects debut at 23-24 that’s why most first time free agents are 29-31 because 6 years service time you do the math. Oh my goodness wow Aaron Judge debut 1 year later than average he must have never been that good. This is what happens when your first sport is the NBA or NFL and your second sport is the MLB but you want to comment on MLB sites.
Tigers3232
@Joe, he was not a member of Yankees organization til he was drafted on 1st rd at age 22. And his MLB debut was at age 24.
And when looking wRC+ #s you should also look at the games played. When he has played he has produced, the low #s have came in seasons he has missed time. So again his production did not come out of nowhere. He has produced when healthy, that has been the issue not his talent or ability.
And again the dude is 6-7 280 LBs. He is very big for a MLB player. You act as though he is 5-7 180 LBs putting up these #s.
Yanksfan1030
Judge was ranked in the 30s in the top 100 prospect rankings. Then his ranking went way down.
spooky
Captain Judge’s mind is so simple he can only think about the same thing all day every day
Tigers3232
The Arson Judge thing is beyond old. Wasn’t even remotely funny initially let alone every time he responds with it.
Pete'sView
FSF — That’s not true and you know it. Why Yoshinubo turned down the Giants we may never know. And certainly people on this post are going to spit on SF. But I’d rather live in San Francisco (greatest city in the world—and I’ve traveled) despite the piling on by the media and fans of other teams.
Still, stats show—and we know—LA and Seattle are more dangerous than SF. And every major city including New York, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Denver have the same issues, but fans from other cities enjoy dumping on SF and the Giants because of their history of success since the beginning of MLB.
So go on, hate if that makes you feel better. But it’s not about baseball, it’s about you wanting to feel superior.
Chris from NJ
Their success began in New York.
Boxscore
SF…a real shiatehole
Jabronie23
So what?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
WeedBedWilly
You are a big-ot for using that word as a pejorative
metslvt17
I just visited San Francisco with my girlfriend last year. It’s one of our best trips to date. Denver was a disappointment. But man, San Fran was gorgeous. And Oracle is a nice stadium too. Not as nice as the hype I got (I still prefer Citi Field’s atmosphere to anything) but it was a lot of fun exploring the city and doing all the things.
fox471 Dave
Geez, relax.
sirchaseph
Bro, they have to lock up shampoo and conditioner in SF stores because of the rampant thievery. People leave their trunks and doors open so their cars don’t get smashed into for the 7th time. Every major company is shuttering their stores and pulling out and your PD has been on a quiet strike for years now.
Please, spare us the smoke up our ass, we get enough of it from Manfred.
He probably didn’t go elsewhere because of those reasons, but don’t try to convince us SF isn’t a total hell hole lol
Snellzilla #7
He turned down the Giants because Farhan sucks. Pretty simple
FSF
Pete’sView, I’ve lived all over the SF Bay Area for the past 45 years and I wouldn’t consider SF anything close to a real world class city and certainly not the greatest city in the world. I’ve never thought much of it and that was before the ugly downturn of the last many years, which really started even well before the pandemic.
Bart Harley Jarvis
@sircha,
It’s perfectly reasonable that some unsophisticated folk are frightened by big cities. It’s no different than others being frightened by the thought of spending most of their evenings and weekends at Olive Garden, Applebees, Cheesecake Factory, and the like.
dubtastic
Couldn’t agree more Pete, I live in the city too near Twin Peaks..ppl love to hate on those who sit atop of the pedestal..there’s a reason why it’s expensive to live here..real estate knows there’s value in beauty w/limited space like Hawai’i, where I was born and raised!
Bart Harley Jarvis
@Chris from NJ,
Yes, at one time all MLB teams were located east of the Mississippi, and teams traveled city-to-city by train.
OIC2021
Ahhhhhh … so ????
Enrico Pallazzo
Pretty funny that he hasn’t said flat out no to any other teams. And giants were supposedly one of the highest bidders
Moneyballer
Ok then
ClevelandSteelEngines
kinda funny how this big city can’t attract big names cuz their city is belongs to the streets
HBRC1987
“Cuz their city is belongs” uhduhhrrrh
dubtastic
“cuz their city is belongs to the streets” LOL, so is your grammar..
HBRC1987
Dude is a clown. Lotsa jealous Frisco haters always on here. Mad because they could never afford to live here, let alone visit.
semut
His grammar could probably draw a bigname free agent before the Giants can though
Airbal
No amount of money is worth it to live in San Fran. Othani and now Yamamoto approved this message
carlos15
Apparently no one wants to live there, since they’re leaving in record numbers.
HBRC1987
You couldn’t even afford to spend one day in Cali. Keep chirping though. Shows how jealous you are.
dubtastic
Truth davey gee, San Francisco is by far better than Cleveland
HBRC1987
Leaving in record numbers? Lmao. Where do you get your news from you idiot.
Airbal
Living in California entire life. And to answer your next statement no I’m not one of the many San Franciscans using the streets as my bathroom.
HBRC1987
Comparing SF to cleveland is like comparing Yosemite to your local dump.
CantShadowBanFishersBlumpkins
For well over a decade Cleveland built its entire identity as a city around Lebron James.
Thats a little pathetic.
giacgara
I’m temporarily living in upstate NY and can’t wait to get back to California. Seen more homelessness and poverty here than in my native California. Stop watching Fox News. They won’t tell you what’s happening in rural Republican upstate NY, but are all over liberal Democrat urban California.
Dennis Boyd
Actually, it’s comparing a large landfill to a local dump. Yosemite is really nice and clean.
HBRC1987
So is San Francisco
CGG12
@gia
I’ve lived in “rural Republican upstate NY” my whole life. I’ve never seen one homeless person around here.
So please explain one(1) of two things:
a. Why you’re lying about temporarily living up here
or
b. Why you’re lying about homelessness here.
drasco036
According to public records, 41,000 people moved from San Francisco in 2022 and an additional 30,000 moved in 2023.
Ubaldo Jimenez
SF is absolutely gorgeous. Awesome city. People only leave if they can’t afford to stay. The streets are perfectly safe. Plenty to do, lots of fun, great climate.. Tell me you’ve never been and watch Fox News without saying so lolololol
drasco036
Go tell Buster Posey he’s wrong.
drasco036
“Something I think is noteworthy, something that unfortunately keeps popping up from players and even the players’ wives is there’s a bit of an uneasiness with the city itself, as far as the state of the city, with crime, with drugs,” Posey said in an interview with The Athletic.
HBRC1987
Fox news isn’t public records. An actual news story out YESTERDAY about how SF is the third highest population growth in California this year.
HBRC1987
Every time I see someone comment about how bad SF is its automatic that they a. Have never been here in their life, and b. they love jesse waters lmao
HBRC1987
Cool story bro
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Davey
Most of SF and its suburbs are beautiful. A few blocks are not. How is that unique?
But no need to pick on Cleveland just because there are SF haters out there.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Ubaldo
There are a few blocks in SF with lots of unhoused persons, I will concede that. There are not near the multi-million dollar homes the MLB stars would purchase.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Stop calling them homeless people they just have “deferred housing”
fox471 Dave
Smile.
HBRC1987
There’s always gonna be the low iq morons who watch fox news and think they know more about SF than people who actually live or visit there. Its hilarious. They literally are just exposing themselves as fools. I take my republican friend to Giants games and even he had to admit that San Francisco is beautiful and clean everywhere we drove. Didn’t see one homeless person down Van Ness, Bay and the Embarcadero. Nothing but spotlessly clean streets and buildings and thriving businesses.
sophiethegreatdane
I love reading the “no one wants to live in Cali” right wing crapola.
Yeah, because there are no millionaires or billionaires living in San Francisco.
News flash: it’s expensive because PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE HERE.
Do any of you Cali-haters wonder why it’s so cheap to live in place like Gary, Indiana? Hint: it’s because those places suck. You can buy into whatever nonsense narrative pushed by the right wing media but people vote with their wallets. All the time.
If San Fran was anywhere near as terrible as the people who have never been there make it out to be, it would be amazingly inexpensive.
Wolf Hoffmann
Hey may not afford to live there, but he won’t have to worry about contracting Aids either. From stepping on discarded needles.
HBRC1987
Just keep exposing yourself bruh
thegiantshark
Bakersfield doesn’t count my man.
thegiantshark
Baggerly wrote a whooole mailbag article for people like yourself who struggled to understand what the word perception is. (Try the audio version if the reading thing proves tricky)
drasco036
Fact is, Zaidi, like Hoyer, need to stop assigning market value to free agents and constantly looking for bargains. They need to bite the bullet and be the top bidder, offer that extra year the other teams won’t so you can change the perspective of the organization.
Either do that or trade for one and then overpay them to get them to stay. If you have a clearer path to the playoffs, the city doesn’t matter as much.
HBRC1987
Exactly. Thats how they were able to land Aubrey Huff.
drasco036
I don’t want to see it, because they are the Cubs targets, but the Giants should basically have the same blue print, sign Bellinger and Hoskins, and/or make a big big trade.
I want Bellinger because I 100% believe he is back. This isn’t a fluky guy who finally put together a good year, he’s an MVP level talented player who was hurt. In addition to being healthy, his skills evolved in Chicago, opting for contact over power with 2 strikes. In addition to that, you can tell he is naturally gifted in his baseball IQ. The dude was making gold glove level decisions at first base, a position he’s played but doesn’t have a ton of experience.
HBRC1987
If the Giants can only get Bellinger or Soto (next off season), I would 1000% rather have Soto for his age 25-35 prime of his career years over Bellinger. I think that is what the Giants are thinking.
drasco036
I’m sure a lot of teams are thinking that.. Dodgers are already budgeting a billion dollars with 900 million deferred
larkraxm
Ok. I will. If anyone really cares, here is the list of cities in America with the highest murder rates…
St. Louis, MO (69.4)
Baltimore, MD (51.1)
New Orleans, LA (40.6)
Detroit, MI (39.7)
Cleveland, OH (33.7)
Las Vegas, NV (31.4)
Kansas City, MO (31.2)
Memphis, TN (27.1)
Newark, NJ (25.6)
Chicago, IL (24)
Cincinnati, OH (23.8)
Philadelphia, PA (20.2)
Milwaukee, WI (20.0)
Tulsa, OK (18.6)
Pittsburgh, PA (18.4)
Indianapolis, IN (17.7)
Louisville, KY (17.5)
Oakland, CA (17.1)
Washington D.C. (17.0)
Atlanta, GA (16.7)
Sorry Buster Posey, but you’re wrong. This “crime is high in liberal cities” is right wing dog whistle horse poop.
drasco036
If you are going to make something political, check your facts and look at which political party leads those cities.
Also, he wasn’t referring to murder. It’s homeless and drugs. It’s not factored into violent crime.
You look foolish on both fronts
larkraxm
Rank City Crime cost per capita
1. Birmingham, Alabama $11,392
2. New Orleans, Louisiana $11,094
3. St. Louis, Missouri $11,055
4. Detroit, Michigan $9,281
5. Memphis, Tennessee $9,056
6. Baltimore, Maryland $8,160
7. Little Rock, Arkansas $7,781
8. Cleveland, Ohio $7,397
9. Milwaukee, Wisconsin $7,029
10. Kansas City, Missouri $6,398
11. Pueblo, Colorado $5,979
12. Oakland, California $5,710
13. San Bernardino, California $5,691
14. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania $5,570
15. Atlanta, Georgia $5,502
I’m not the one making it political. Buster Posey did. The facts are that the highest crime cities are not on the “left coast” they are in the bible belt. It isn’t Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco on that list. It’s Birmingham, Little Rock, St. Louis, New Orleans, Memphis, Kansas City. Those are the facts. The crime riddled “Left Coast” is a hoax perpetrated by the Fox News crowd, which Buster Posey is apparently a mouthpiece for. Looking at the list, you can see that it isn’t political, and I’m not trying to make it political. Saying that San Francisco has more homeless and drugs than other cities is the foolish statement. This is a problem that is plaguing cities all over the US and is not concentrated in San Francisco no matter how many times people say it. The numbers just don’t show that to be the case.
HBRC1987
Facts!!! Remember, the ones hating are the people who have never even been to SF. I drive through it all the time. It is absolutely gorgeous. Perfectly clean city streets and buildings. They are washed first thing every morning. Zero homeless everywhere I drive. Gorgeous babes everywhere. Yeah, a real dump lol
drasco036
A.) Posey didn’t make it political, you did.
B.)
1. Birmingham, Alabama $11,392 – liberal
2. New Orleans, Louisiana $11,094 – liberal
3. St. Louis, Missouri $11,055 – liberal
4. Detroit, Michigan $9,281 – liberal
5. Memphis, Tennessee $9,056 – liberal
6. Baltimore, Maryland $8,160 – liberal
7. Little Rock, Arkansas $7,781 – liberal
8. Cleveland, Ohio $7,397 – liberal
9. Milwaukee, Wisconsin $7,029 – liberal
10. Kansas City, Missouri $6,398 – liberal
11. Pueblo, Colorado $5,979 – republican
12. Oakland, California $5,710 – liberal
13. San Bernardino, California $5,691 – liberal
14. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania $5,570 – liberal
15. Atlanta, Georgia $5,502 – liberal
I’m not even political, you just keep spitting out wrong information.
drasco036
Also, it’s easy to sway stats when you do not make arrest or enforce laws.
larkraxm
Maybe I don’t understand what the word “liberal” means, but not usually associated with Birmingham. State law supersedes city ordinances, home brother. If you are saying the liberal mayor of Birmingham has more influence over the city than the conservative governor, who also lives in Birmingham, then I don’t know what to tell you. I don’t know how to help you except to say that there is a narrative being floated in conservative circles that the cities on the West Coast are crime-ridden, and it isn’t true. If you are telling me the liberals in Memphis are wrecking the city with their lenient drug policies, I’ll have to take your word for it because I don’t have the time or energy to dig into their municipal laws. But even you declaring all of these deep south cities liberal does not change the fact that San Francisco is not on the list.
larkraxm
It’s also easy to dismiss any stats that make you uncomfortable or challenge your perceptions by declaring them fake stats.
larkraxm
I’m not sure why you think the San Francisco 49ers and Golden State Warriors can attract the best players and put together championship rosters in the same damn town. It’s not any worse than other major city. They all have similar problems. Nobody is counting homeless people, then making career altering decisions based on the result. That is so silly. The Giants are not being selected by FA because of their baseball operations. That’s it and should be bad enough.
Moneyballer
All of this in response to….ok then, ok then!
drasco036
Salary cap sports. There is only so much money to go around for those sports, same reason why the Browns were able to attract free agents a few years back.
I don’t really follow basketball but the only big ticket free agent I recall was Durant, the rest were home grown. Durant came because that team was loaded.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Larktacm
I agree that SF is nice but in all fairness to those who disagree with me, the 49ers do not play in the city so they are not a counter-argument
dubtastic
49ers only been in Santa Clara for 8 years compared to Candlestick since 1971! Let alone they were in Bayview-Hunter’s Point..
VegasSDfan
Guys will play anywhere if the money makes sense. The Giants aren’t outbidding other teams. I would play in SF over NY. Between LA and SF, the Dodgers may be a better team. The Giants have won 3 championships to the 1 the Dodgers had on a half season.
flyingblindsquirrel
All your base are belong to us
THEY LIVE!!!
Funny!!!
Manfred’s playing with the balls
It’s starting to get sad for me. The Giants play in the same division as teams like LA and SD that are stacked with stars. SF fans are forced to watch Logan Webb and whatever platoon players Zaidi can find.
It seems like every offseason the giants are the butt of the jokes
JoeBoe
Would you have wanted SF to pay 46 million a year for DH ohtani? Who knows how recovery from his second tommy john is going to go, but pitchers with two generally don’t do so well.
I’d rather their resources go elsewhere, even if the giants win a handful fewer games in the short term.
Not a clever name
JoeBoe, I don’t totally disagree but the problem is that those resources going instead to stripling comfort and Haniger isn’t any better. If they passed on Ohtani or Yamato and got snell and bellinger I could accept that, if the tickets got cheaper and I could get a $7 beer ok.But it’s more likely they will get 3 guys who were all stars 4-7 years ago and the 2016 runner up for AL rookie of the year, or was that last year? Meanwhile tickets will “dynamically” get more expensive and beer will cost me $14 for a flat 8oz plastic cup of Rocky Mountain piss.
HBRC1987
San Diego is “stacked with stars”??? Really? Tatis and Machado and……???
Manfred’s playing with the balls
And Yu, Xander, even Kim to a smaller degree being a superstar in his home country.
That’s a lot when you compare it to SF.
douglasb
When I order a stack of pancakes I sometimes think two is enough,
HBRC1987
Yu Darvish and Xander Bogarts are stars!!!! Said nobody ever. A “star” means an ELITE level player who is in the mvp/cy young discussion every year.
HBRC1987
Also, a star is someone who people go pay money to see. Nobody is like, “I can’t wait to go watch Kim Ha-seong” lol. To be a star, the player has to be video game cover, magazine cover material, have major brand endorsement deals and is a household name. I’d even go as far to say Manny Machado isn’t really a star. He is a great player, but star?
douglasb
then the average number of stars per team is 0.5
Manfred’s playing with the balls
Yeah and the giants have 0 stars.
The padres might not be impressive to you but they’re impressive when compared to that dumpster fire in SF. Man you must be dense to argue for the garbage giants
VTGiant
Frankly I’d rather have Blake Snell. If cheap Giants ownership don’t agree to a significant SP acquisition, then expect another sub .500 season
Zerbs63
Rather have the guy who has had two good seasons out of 8 total. The guy has way too high of a walk ratio and is 6 years older? No thank you
stpofsd
even in Snell’s down seasons he’s put together stretches of elite production. àlways has that ace ceiling and when he does put it together for the whole season he’s shown that he can be the best pitcher in the world. how many active pitchers have multiple cy young awards? do you need more than 1 hand to count them on? keep hating
kodiak920
And one of the few to win it in both leagues.
carlos15
What does the win it in both leagues thing matter? I can see that having meant something 20 years ago, but not now.
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@stpofsd
Wait…so now you’re talking s–t about a pitcher your team hasn’t even signed (but may be forced to overpay)?
Or are you just a Snell Truther?
yogineely
Zero complete games in his career so elite level is a stretch. Is he good? Yes. Is he an ace? No
stpofsd
I’m a Padre fan and a Snell truther.
stpofsd
only aces win the cy
Zerbs63
Snell doesn’t even have two all star appearances. He’s consistently inconsistent.
thegiantshark
Rick Porcello
HankAaronDidGreenies
Future hall of famer Blake Snell you mean. There’s no guarantee Yamamoto will be a hall of famer. Snell is one Cy Young away from making it.
stpofsd
I’m a big Snell fan but even with another season like 23 or 18 he’s pretty far from the Hof
Chitown7
Hall of Fame? He’s got 71 wins!!!!!!
deweybelongsinthehall
Snell HOF? LOL. Way too early but without more consistency, no way. Living in NY, it reminds me of the Manning argument. Great big game QB but he didn’t get the Giants to enough big games to be enshrined. Just my take.
Bra Joni
Hah beat your crew twice tho
fox471 Dave
Ha!
HankAaronDidGreenies
Name a 3x Cy Young award winner not in the hall of fame.
Longtimecoming
“Good” – CY is a little more than “good”.
Also, until he proves himself in MLB he is a lot more of a risk than Snell.
Add in that he was projected at $200 max just a few weeks ago and now it’s $300 – no thank you.
Moonlight Graham
Yeah, I’ll take the guy with a career 3.20 ERA. A high walk rate doesn’t mean much if he has a low BAA (.214 career), allows a low OPS (.649 career) and strikes out a bunch of batters (11.1 K/9 career).
myaccount2
Snell has two Cy Youngs. Let’s not act like those are his only two good seasons
douglasb
Well, depends on your definition of “good”. His 3rd highest WAR is 2.1
myaccount2
His highest fWARs in order are:
4.7 in 2018
4.1 in 2023
3.6 in 2022
2.7 in 2019
2.1 in 2021.
So 2.1 was his fifth highest WAR by fWAR. Maybe it’s different for his bWAR results, but I’m going to address fWAR for context purposes and just assume you were going off bWAR or misread his fWAR. Regardless, the first four indicate a good player, the last indicates a very solid starter.
Of course, it’s still important to look at numbers beyond just WAR, too.
good vibes only
Since when is Giants ownership cheap? They’ve been in on the biggest FA all last year and this year too. Seems like the money is there.
deepseamonster32
being in on ’em ain’t the same as signing ’em
GASoxFan
The giants brass aren’t in charge of the city and surrounding areas. Unfortunately, this isn’t a video game, theres a HUMAN element on the player side and that guy has to want to live near the ball club. You can up the $ side of things and there will still be other factors that make someone not want to be there.
Reputations of crime, homelessness, drug issues, etc etc in the news and national media doesn’t help the cause.
Balk
GaSoxFan…New York is no better, Chicago is no better, it’s just the Giants system needs to start pivoting from there old ways and start trading to bring guys in and developing like they did in 2008
avenger65
GaSoxFan: SF, like all big cities, have their problems, but there are nicer areas for people who earn millions of dollars every year. I’m sure, if Yamamoto had signed with SF, he would never have seen a single homeless person
good vibes only
I think you are spot on. Those issues are just as bad in all major american cities. All are also amazing places to live for a millionaire athlete. Free agency is just a crapshoot, thats why you gotta develop.
horaceallen
I have spent a fair bit of time in many major American cities. It is true each has issues but what has happened to SF is beyond what you see in NY or Chicago.
agnes gooch
Balk—while the Giants might need to make a couple of savvy trades now, most of the championship year teams were all homegrown—Lincecum, Cain, MadBum, Posey, Crawford, Belt, etc.
Blue Baron
@agnes gooch: But replicating that level of success is difficult and rare.
Balk
Agnes…you are spot on. Great teams have great developmental ability.
Blue Baron
@VTGiant: Even if they sign Snell, they might have another sub-.500 season.
Balk
BlueBaron….last year if not for the injuries they would’ve been over .500…Snell at 6 war alone puts them above .500 if they had him last year. A healthy Mitch and Conforto, along with Yaz and Cobb staying healthy they should be a playoff contender.
Blue Baron
No way to prove that, and the same can be said of just about every losing team.
Balk
And there’s no way to prove they’ll only be a sub .500 team with Snell either.
tedtheodorelogan
Cobb is already going to miss a decent part of the early season recovering from surgery.
Balk
Yes, he’s going to miss some time for sure, which if the Giants plan on being in contention they’ll need Snell and one other decent pitcher. Along with some help at SS.
Blue Baron
@Balk: But you’re the one promising they won’t, so the onus of proof is on you, fanboy.
drasco036
If “ifs” and “buts” were candy and nuts…
Balk
Blue Baron…don’t put words in my mouth. Where did I say promise. It’s like me saying you were promising a sub .500 season, FANBOY. SMH
Blue Baron
You are correct. That was VTGiant. My error.
Jamie A
I don’t care who surlongs as its not the dodgers.
Snellzilla #7
I’d rather not have the guy who walked more batters than any other pitcher in MLB last season
HBRC1987
Agreed. Snelly is a lefty and coming off a stellar season. Seemed like he struck out 10 or more a night. Guy will be a perfect top of the rotation ace to go with Webby. Go big on Soto next off season and we will be a World Series contender once again.
Captain Dunsel
Middleton still at the table.
avenger65
And I doubt he’s going to leave it.
PhanaticDuck26
Ahhh as much as I’d love to watch YY in Philly for the next decade, I unfortunately think LAD is gonna come away with this one. I’d be happy if he went to the Yankees, though – keep him out of the NL.
Pete'sView
I think he goes Mets. And as a Giants fan so so disappointed.
Snellzilla #7
He went dodgers. That disappoints me far more
boblowlaw2
Dodgers or a NY team, duh.
PhanaticDuck26
New Rule: Can’t have more than one Japanese player on the team at a time. Or, you can’t add 1 BILLION dollars of new money in one offseason. I think that’s fair – Dodgers disqualified from signing YY
Pete'sView
Something has to be done or they’ll be no real competition for FAs or the WS.
Blue Baron
@PhanaticDuck26: That’s discrimination based on nationality. Not cool.
BennyGiant
Hope he is a massive bust for $400 mill
horaceallen
You want the dude to fail since your team can’t sign him?
BennyGiant
Yes
gardyparty
I also want him to fail if my team doesn’t sign him.
horaceallen
I cheer great performances in baseball. It’s great for the game. Not a Dodger fan, but seeing Ohtani continue to perform at historic levels would be great.
gardyparty
Ohtani is different lol.
BonjourMadam
No wonder no one wants to sign with the Giants.
Pete'sView
BS.
agnes gooch
Right on Benny!
Moneyballer
You’re a massive bust.
Javia135
I wouldn’t pay $300 million to any pitcher nowadays. There are no more Greg Madduxes, guys who can be counted on for 200-270IP and a 2.00-3.30 ERA per year over a 10 year stretch. Those pitchers don’t exist anymore.
Poolhalljunkies
Kinda like Barry Zito ?
BennyGiant
Game 5 2012 NLCS, worth every penny.
MTG
and Game 1 of the 2012 World Series
Javia135
Is Barry Zito still playing?
PhilliesFan91
Don’t sleep on the phillies , it’s the best fit for him. He won’t win in NY or LA
Misfit0620
I’ll bet you a beer the Dodgers win the WS before the Phillies do
Hexbreaker
Unless there’s a 60 game season, the Dodgers run out of gas like they always do.
Doesn’t matter who’s on the roster.
DeusSexMachina
Do people that say “60 game season” actually think this is true? Or do they know it’s just copium because they’re team couldn’t win it?
petefrompp
When the Dodgers win in a regular season – we will acknowledge the achievement. To call a 60 game season playoff win a World Series is BS – Every baseball fan knows this –
Dodgers are loaded – they probably should have won a WS series by now, but they haven’t. Still have to prove it
DeusSexMachina
For you it’s clearly copium. I’m not sure why it upsets you so much that the Dodgers won in 2020 that you need to feign denial. When the giants won three times 10 years ago I never complained about how they “lucked into because they never even won more than 90 games.” They won them fair and square. Good for them. In 2020 the competition was set and the Dodgers were going to October anyway. They played the best team in the AL and even had to go through one more round than any team has ever had to. It’s okay. Don’t be mad about it.
CeruleanDrew
“Copium”. Well said, DeusSexMachina. That might be a first on MLBTR. And other sites as well. Unless you had used it previously. My nominee for post of the day although that can be a low bar at times. Hat’s off to you.
lfcredsox
they have though, your 60 game season argument is one of the most asinine things I have ever heard
stpofsd
the 20 season had the toughest playoff road to the series. hate the dodgers but that was absolutely as legitimate a ship as any other and maybe moreso
Rsk3228
You do realize it was, in fact, a 60 game season?
baseballpun
No it wasn’t. The marathon is part of the championship, not just the tournament.
cpdpoet
DSM, been a Phillies fan since I didn’t know any better and they were winners in the mid 70’s! As a genX, still HATE the dodgers more than the braves (have forgiven the reds due to the wheeze kids yrs).
However, for the life of me, the only reasons I see @hate for the pandemic season is jealousy/bitterness or need to troll. They played the hand dealt them and went with it. Yet quite a bit of people either blame them for it OR dismiss the title altogether?
DeusSexMachina
You do realize it was still the World Series, right? Go look at the trophy, it’s real. Not even made of plastic or anything. Don’t be mad, just let it go. It’s okay.
amk1920
Phillies had a worse NLCS collapse than anything Dodgers have done in the past decade. How do you go home up 3-2 and lose twice lmao
Fernando P
Totally disagree and I’m not a Dodgers fan. Should we discount teams winning because it was a steroid era, or because players were away for WWI or WWII or if it was a strike season? Flags fly forever.
cpdpoet
amk, I am on the dodgers side…..
Re-read my post. Have hated them most of my life, but their trophy was legit and always will be. What I DON’T get is the dismissal from so many fans? Yet….I offer possibilities.
And I state 2 reasons why. Too sensitive or comprehension issues?
Ranger Danger19
I’m sure he’s good but the Yankees are really going to pay $400 mil for a dude that’s 5’9” and hasn’t ever thrown a pitch in the big leagues? This is a go big or go unemployed move by Cashman.
Anthony maresca
Freeman and Betts not exactly spring chickens anymore and on the downside of their careers.
avenger65
I have mixed feelings about 2020. On the one hand, all teams played the same amount of games. It was either 60 or nothing. On the other hand, 60 games just doesn’t have the same feeling about it. If there was to be asterisk next to the Dodger’s title, it should be for explaining why the season was shortened. But I think the Dodgers have to win a WS championship in a 162 game season to earn legitimacy
DeusSexMachina
You can “feel” however you like. But as you said yourself, “all the teams played the same amount of games,” and the record books treat it as a legitimate World Series. I vividly remember how happy fans were that we were getting a season to begin with. It wasn’t until after the Dodgers won it that the “it doesn’t count” crybabies started up. I bet had the Rays or Brewers won you wouldn’t see half the amount of denial we see about the Dodgers winning. This has more to do with Dodgers hate and bitter fans than anything else.
VonPurpleHayes
The only thing that wasn’t really there were homefield advantages and crowds. But the Dodgers would’ve had homefield throughout anyway. So full credit to them.
cpdpoet
Thnx av65, at least your response is thoughtful. Agree with it a bit, but I kinda liken it to a “friendly” poker game. If you win a hand on 5card stud, nothing wild vs a hand with maniacal amount of one eyed jacks, suicide kings etc caveats….
Either person who wins either pot, still wins.
horaceallen
Thank you for understanding baseball.
Habitual Truth Teller
“absolutely as legitimate a ship as any other and maybe”
Not really
Division were realigned significantly to reduce travel
No fans in stands
Players opted out or were ruled ineligible to play if they tested positive altering outcomes of games
Toronto wasn’t even allowed to play in its home stadium
60 games
Rules were changed a lot in many ways such as 7 inning double headers among others
Its not a legitimate trophy. And never will be.
Congrats on winning it someone had to but to celebrate it like they played a regular 162 game season and endured pressure of post season games at away stadiums (in front of fans) is by far and away the dumbest thing people say on this site.
filihok
DSM
“had to go through one more round than any team has ever had to. ”
This is the thing about the “Mickey Mouse Championship” idiots that makes the lease sense (of course, maybe expecting idiots to make sense is the problem).
If the Dodgers win 100 games in the regular season, and lose in the playoffs, the c9mplaint is that they can’t win in the playoffs
When the Dodgers win in the longest playoffs ever, when the playoffs makes up the largest portion of the season ever, the idiots complain that the regular season was too short
Idiots.
baseballpun
It’s almost like they have to do both, like all the other champions ever.
filihok
bbp
“It’s almost like they have to do both, like all the other champions ever.”
What exactly is it that “all the other champions” have done?
Be specific
semut
I always like “well your team COULDN’T win a 60 game season”
filihok
JNaR
Nah
The dumbest thing people say is that the team that won in the weirdest season ever didn’t face any pressure.
Venn diagram: people, who think the Dodger WS doesn’t fully count because it wasn’t a normal season and people who complain about platoons, openers, etc because it messes with players” routines.
baseballpun
Make it through 162 games and win the playoffs.
DeusSexMachina
Make it through 4 playoff rounds and then come talk to me.
Habitual Truth Teller
I dont think you know what a venn diagram is cause you didn’t even explain use a venn diagram analogy correctly.
baseballpun
Texas just made it through a real season and 4 rounds.
Enrico Pallazzo
And the Dodgers routinely win the marathon. With expanded playoffs the postseason is pure chaos since half the league now gets in. Getting into the playoffs isn’t that different today vs a 60 game season . If you can’t see that then none of us can help you. Any rational fan who isn’t a dodger hater can see that. I’m not a Dodgers fan but they earned that ring the same as any other year.
JoeBoe
I used to root for the dodgers.
Not since they became the West coast Yankees, though (obviously in terms of throwing money around, not winning championships).
I’d rather root for the A’s and the rays.
buya
Dodgers don’t win WS’s all they do is buy the WS.
Roger Beshen's Patented FootballSlider
No that’s the yankees, every dodgers team that won the world series has always been mix of trades, free agents but mostly their own draftees. Too bad your team isn’t willing to invest. more sour grapes.
DeusSexMachina
Again, we both know this isn’t true. So is it that you’re just bitter that the Dodgers won in 2020 or are you bitter that your team couldn’t win in 2020? Because it’s one or the other.
Balk
Look, the Dodgers won in 2020, it’s just not the same as a 162 game season. It’s just a fact. History will always say “shortened pandemic season.” It is what it is. No matter who won in 2020.
DeusSexMachina
The trophy doesn’t look any different. The game was played the same way. The record books don’t put an asterisk next to it. The only people I ever hear complain about 2020 are Dodgers haters that can’t accept they won. The Brewers, padres, braves, and Rays players all looked pretty devastated when they lost. You’re the only one that’s pretending.
Balk
Buddy, I could care less, but the facts are the facts. 162 is not the same as 60…I’m not going to argue with you or anybody else about it. It’s old news, and a shortened season. History will always reflect that. Stats will always reflect that. Period
DeusSexMachina
But there was MLB in 2020, there were playoffs and a World Series. And your team had a shot at the title. Unfortunately, they couldn’t win it. But the Dodgers did. And you’re mad about that.
lfcredsox
that is so stupid, your argument just makes you look idiotic
DeusSexMachina
You don’t want to argue about it because you know you can’t change the fact that the Dodgers won the World Series in 2020. Why are you so bitter? It’s just a game, you don’t have to be mad about it. Also, saying you “could care less” means you care.
Balk
I’m not mad about anything. Shoot, there wasn’t even any fans that’s how off it was. But you do you homie. Like I said, I could care less about it. Facts are facts. They won a shortened season World Series. Period
xtraflamy
the 2020 pandemic 7 inning no-hitters aren’t considered no hitters by MLB.
Johnny Devil
I recall Bryce Harper a lock to the dodgers, I recall your dodgers offer topping 40 million avg. Who did Bryce choose ? This kid looks at a star studded Philly lineup, a top of the league rotation ,the top fan base in baseball and most importantly my friend they got the money.
King Donk of Punchstania
You had a good point til you mentioned top fanbase in baseball. Philly fans are just as bad as yankee fans
cpdpoet
Right phillies fans are the worst? Guess you were avoiding baseball the last two post-seasons?
All baseball fans are often delusional @their squads. And I respect your opinion, but Phillies fans are no better OR worse than anyother organizations. You just made a lazy assumption.
Slow day at work
@cpdpoet
Philly fans were booing their team at the bottom of the 9th in the World Series. They are the worst.
cpdpoet
Did their performance deserve a “boo”?
King Donk of Punchstania
True fans stick by their team no matter what. With that argument you sound like a fair weather fan. Cheer when your team is good boo when they suck. Try being a real fan it’s much more enjoyable this way
DeusSexMachina
Clearly you care and clearly you are mad about it. It was still the World Series and your team couldn’t win it and now you’re bitter for whatever reason. Perhaps Shohei, or how well-run the Dodgers are, or maybe you hate LA. Whatever it is you’re mad otherwise you wouldn’t complain like a kid who just lost at tetherball crying “it doesn’t count!” Fact. Period. Exclamation point!
Balk
There’s nothing to change. It was a shortened season with zero fans and 7 inning no hitters! Are you a Dodgers fan? Only a Dodger fan would care so much! Haha!
DeusSexMachina
The MVPs, RotY, Cy Youngs are so…
King Donk of Punchstania
The dodgers like every other year are overrated choke artists. 1 title since the 80s and it came during the pandemic. Let’s all clap for the dodgers. NOT
DeusSexMachina
Of course I’m a Dodgers fan. That’s why I am calling you out, Balk. You don’t need to be so defensive about it. Your team had a shot and choked in 2020. And you hate the Dodgers so try to live in a bubble of “it doesn’t count” because you’re bitter. And I’m here to burst your bubble because I think it’s fun.
Balk
And those mvps and cy young’s and roy awards were all based off of how many innings pitched? How many abs? Just stop man. You win. It’s the same as grinding out 162 game season! NOT!
King Donk of Punchstania
Okay so they have good players who choke every year. Thanks for proving even more how much the dodgers are overrated
Balk
I think it’s fun Deus watching you try to convince everyone that it’s the same. Well I’m here to burst your bubble, it’s not the same. I actually don’t hate the Dodgers at all. My favorite pitcher is Kershaw.
DeusSexMachina
Okay, Balk. I’m just happy to call you out. Good luck to your team in ‘24. And if the season is shortened, and your team win the World Series, I promise not to cry about it after the fact.
stpofsd
I see everyone other than the couple of haters agreeing that 20 counts and is absolutely a legitimate ship. coming from a Padres fan that hates the dodgers
DeusSexMachina
Kersh is your favorite pitcher, eh? If you ever see him tell him face to face how you feel about his 2020 ring. Unless, you’re only willing to move the goal post in anonymity?
avenger65
There pretty much had to be a season in 2020. NHL, NFL and NBA all play in the winter (not counting the NBA playoffs). Baseball is the only major sport played in the summer. Considering the pandemic and most people staying indoors, we needed baseball.
avenger65
xtraflamy: Yeah, another blunder to add to the forever growing list of manfred’s blunders. If you’re going to make a rule that doubleheader games are only 7 innings, you have to acknowledge 7 innings no-hitters. Too simple for manfred to comprehend.
kodiak920
Sometimes, when he says he could care less, it really means he could care less.
baseballpun
Dude, nobody was ever going to view the 2020 championship as legitimate except (maybe) the fans of whatever team won. It’s not Dodgers hate, it’s just the truth. They don’t play the WS after May.
It’s FUNNIER that it’s the Dodgers because the Dodgers can’t win in the playoffs after a real season, despite being the best regular season team in baseball for the last decade. Absolutely HILARIOUS that they can’t get it done after a real season. Pure comedy.
baseballpun
You are never going to convince anyone. You are better off letting this go.
DeusSexMachina
I don’t have to “convince” anyone. That’s where you’re confused. I’m bursting your bubble of denial. The record books reflect its a legit championship whether you like it or not.
baseballpun
Ok. Great.
You seem to want recognition from everyone else for some reason, as the “record book” isn’t enough for you. That’s a you problem, bro.
DeusSexMachina
I just like calling out retroactive bs. But go ahead and act as though it’s me that can’t live with the results of 2020.
Habitual Truth Teller
Mlb doesn’t recognize 7 inning 2020 no hitters as no hitters
King Donk of Punchstania
While I agree the dodgers are overrated how does 2020 not count? All teams played with same rules and the same conditions and the dodgers were the last one standing. You sound like the people who say the astros 2017 championship didn’t count even though they won every single World Series game on the road
Hexbreaker
Kershaw can’t last a full season. He’s done by September. That’s why he gets shelled every post-season.
But hey, a 3 month season in 2020… that he can handle.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
What is with this “all teams played by the same rules” BS, as if that proves something? There was so much about 2020 that was abnormal. Players opted out, there were no minor leaguers, there were no fans in the stands and teams didn’t even play in their proper venues. The whole 2020 fiasco needs to be stricken from the record books. It was a circus clown show act, just a cheesy tournament to get our minds off COVID. If my team had one that rinky dink asterisk “championship” I would be embarrassed and want them to achieve it during a regular season. I don’t understand how Dodgers fans can be proud of that and think it’s legitimate in any way, shape or form. It’s a laughingstock and embarrassing to baseball. MLB needs to just wipe out everything that happened in 2020. Absolute joke.
fathead0507
He won’t win in Philly either.. playing for wild card every yr yawn
Blue Baron
@PhilliesFan91: You don’t know enough about him to judge his best fit. Being a Phillies fan doesn’t count.
Shadow_Banned
People buy based off emotion instead of lofic.
And Farhan probably gave him some stale logical pitch.
That combined with the goofy Murphys, Barts, and belts and the Giants are a cold no go destination.
JoeBoe
I seriously doubt any of the big free agents they missed out on would have ended up being a good contract.
I do hope they try for Soto next year, but it’s still one club out of 30+.
THEY LIVE!!!
Giants missed out on Flaherty too which was more their speed anyways.
Pete'sView
Where did you hear that?
mad1
Count your lucky stars Giants
WSnotAstros2017
He will go with Ohtani. Or Yankees. Not sure on Mets but could surprise.
andsc
Add a Giants fan, I say … ahh, fudge!!!
cainer18
Fudge, indeed. It would have been fun for the Giants-Dodgers rivalry to have Yamamoto-Ohtani matchups for the next decade
stpofsd
with darvish bouncing back in 24 with the Padres. arguably the 3 best Japanese pitchers of all time
Sad_Sox
You think Ohtani will be pitching for another decade?
cainer18
@sad_sox I was thinking about Ohtani hitting against Yamamoto moreso than games where they both start on the mound (though those games would have been cool too)
cinredsfan
Yamamoto to Dodgers. Stop with the stupid suspense.
No, if, and’a or but’s.
Wisdom shared
If Yamamoto tells the Dodgers he signs for 300 million, with none of it deferred, the Dodgers won’t sign him. They only get players they can coerce to their own advantage at the detriment of baseball. Yamamoto isn’t going to defer 298 M until 2045.
TheGr8One
Yeah that’s just chock full of Hater-Aid must be a Giants fan. Padres maybe? The Ohtani deal broke absolutely zero rules. Why you so mad? Mariners fan btw, what the Dodgers do within the framework of the rules doesn’t affect me.
Zerbs63
It was Ohtani’s idea to defer the money. It makes sense when you think about it. Ohtani makes about $40 – $50 mil now in just endorsements, so he doesn’t need the money now. When he’s done playing in ten years the Dodgers will still owe him $680 million. He can move out of the state of California and not pay state income tax.
Seamaholic
He can move out of USA and not pay federal taxes either.
BaseballisLife
Its not that easy. You pay taxes where its earned, not where you live. Where its earned will be California for Ohtani after he retires and starts getting all that deferred money.
Fred2023
Unless it’s defined as some sort of “pension” under federal law, I can’t imagine. that the California Franchise Tax Board will let that just happen. I would bet that they are already looking into it, given the size of potential tax liability.
BaseballisLife
MLB income is earned where each game is played. Deferred salary is considered earned where the team is located. Ohtani will pay taxes on that income in California. If his place of residence is Japan he will also pay income tax in Japan. jetro.go.jp/en/invest/setting_up/section3/page7.ht…
disadvantage
@wisdom
As a Giants fan, I can’t believe you’re making me defend the Dodgers, but that is complete hogwash. The Dodgers have money and will make a competitive offer to Yamamoto. Deferrals are likely given his contract looks to be headed to the $300m range, but not to the ridiculous degree of Shohei’s, who came up with the deferment structure in the first place (not the Dodgers).
omahamadness
So you’re saying there’s a chance…..
cpdpoet
Upvote for the great reference….
stpofsd
it’s a dumr reference, how can you up vote? sarcasm btw
cpdpoet
“Excuse me Flo”………and one for you.
THEY LIVE!!!
Newsflash
Giants sign Zack Greinke to a 4 year contract paid out over 29 years. No other details released yet.
bjhaas1977
Mo’Money Mo’Money Mo’Money!
wvsteve
Interesting article in MLB.com where Mayo would rate him around 13 to 18th top prospect if he was one. I’m not sold on this guy
Balk
I don’t think they ever put a good offer on the table from recent reports. Sounded like the New York teams had it locked up so why waste time. Go sign Snell and Montgomery.
DanUgglasRing
Snell Montgomery and Stroman still out there. I think they could put together a decent rotation and still get someone via trade
Balk
Absolutely! Trade from the backlog of outfielders and throw in Bart with a prospect or so and land a solid SS, maybe Hoskins to go along with it.
Airbal
J Bart has absolutely no trade value and hurts any deal giants could make.
Balk
Not true, but wouldn’t even be mad having Bart as a backup if one goes down. I think the kid can still make it happen.
Airbal
He struggled the entire year at AAA and looked disinterested on the field. Still waiting for him to run out a grounder. Saw multiple AAA games
King Donk of Punchstania
Interesting trade idea bust for bust. Forrest Whitley for Joey Bart who says no?
agnes gooch
Don’t forget we have Harrison who looked great and is only going to get better. Whisenhunt, Black, Birdsong all who also look really good and could be up this year, Winn and Beck were not chopped liver either.
99CaptainJudge99
I don’t think it a lock Yamamoto is coming to the Mets or the Yankees. At the end of the day you got to ask yourself is Yoshinobu Yamamoto worthy of a contract $300 million or over? If I’m the Giants I would definitely try to sign Blake Snell who should be a lot cheaper then Yamamoto. It’s not the end of the world.
TigersLoveCinnamon
They’re one of two teams known to have offered him 300mill. Neither were the dodgers or either new York team
Balk
I think that was false reporting but you could be right. My take was that they weren’t willing to even place a bid and be used for building up his price. I think they’re tired of being used! Ha
Yankee Clipper
If you’re referring to Yamamoto, reports surfaced a couple days ago that the $300MM claim was false. No team offered him close to that. In fact, there was a story after that about the LAD contemplating an offer to him that was less than $250MM.
Balk
Yankee…that’s what I read also. I don’t believe they really came to the table, but I could be wrong.
tangerinepony
2010,2012,2014 seems like a long time ago. Poor giants
dirtholio
It doesn’t seem that long ago when they crushed my Rangers. Had to coerce their coach to get a ring. I still fear the beard.
JoeBoe
Lol, sounds jealous
kershawsgrandma22
As a Dodger fan, seeing how much FA hate San Fransisco is hilarious to me lol
Hexbreaker
@kershawsgrandma22
162-game-season championships since 1988….
Giants: 3
Dodgers: 0
Hilarious.
Truthteller#1
Since coming to Cali
Dodgers:6
Giants:3
More hilarious
kodion
Hilarious …is stupidly ungrateful!
It doesn’t matter which of those two teams you support.
MilkSteak1995
Funny how 3/6 were in less than full seasons. Also, didn’t y’all only win one in all those years in New York? Cause that sounds too. One more thing, 8>6
Hexbreaker
All time…
Giants: 8
Dodgers: 7 (including 2020*)
buya
FA loves LA just pay FA up their butt and they will come.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Grant Bisbee wants everyone to know it’s due to cable news.
theathletic.com/5137862/2023/12/16/sf-giants-recen…
“Eight days ago, at the Winter Meetings, I was told that Shohei Ohtani wasn’t a fan of San Francisco. Not the organization, but the city. I still don’t know if that means someone close to him watches cable news too much, that he’s deathly afraid of sea lions or that he’s allergic to fog and/or Huey Lewis. But it was relayed to me by someone I trust, and my guess is that Buster Posey was aware of this skepticism about San Francisco, which is why it came out in his chat with Andrew Baggarly.”
horaceallen
SF used to be a beautiful city. Rampant homelessness has certainly made it less desirable. I can see not wanting to live there.
MilkSteak1995
Yet the 9ers and warriors have no problem signing free agents. (Yes 9er’s stadium is in Santa Clara but warrior’s is balls deep in San Francisco)
Yankee Clipper
Ironically, people still try to say that FA are dissuaded from signing in NY because of the facial hair policy. While that policy’s efficacy is a different discussion on its own, there’s simply no proof whatsoever that it has precluded NYY from signing any notable FA.
Murphy NFLD
Im not a yankee fan but i agree completely. People just hate on them cuz there the greatest of all time like my Montreal Canadiens in hockey. The only thing IMO that would scare people off would be how crazy the media is. According To sonny gray that played a major factor on why he didnt do well as a yankee. The media asking him everyday why he was playing horrible or whatever. He says it in an interview he did with Bauer when they both were with the reds
Airbal
San Fran is an absolute dump and that’s being kind.
agnes gooch
Airbal—do you live here? I don’t think so. I do. It’s stunningly beautiful and full of kind people. I love it here. Quit repeating a stupid mantra you read online, get out and see for yourself in real life.
Pete'sView
You know, some fans just hate on other teams for the joy of it. You are one of those. You don’t wear it well.
Pete'sView
kershawsgrandma22 — You know, some fans just hate on other teams for the joy of it. You are one of those. You don’t wear it well.
tangerinepony
Laugh it up but they have won more WS championships than the dodgers on the last 15 years 3-1
Brian frigging Downing
Is Lincecum still available?
scjohn92
Madison Bumgarner is still available.
Datashark
I heard he comes with a horse
agentx
If you’re talking about Bumgarner’s left shoulder, you may have meant “hearse.”
HatlessPete
I hear they’re working on a reanimated Christie Mathewson
5TUNT1N
Price must be high enough don’t need anyone’s help driving it up from here. Now go snag imanaga and snell.
wbz41
25 year, 440 billion contract with the dodgers. Deferred salary until 2095-2120. Luxury tax hit of 497K per season based on present day dollar value.
CaseyAbell
This is like a reality show where they send one team off the island every day. Eventually only one team is left, only they don’t get a million. Instead, they have to pay $300 million.
Captainmike1
He is a better option than paying Soto half a billion dollars.
Soto is such an over rated player.
When he performs like Miquel Cabrera and bats in 130 runs and hits 330 every year I will call him great
Dirkdiggler2398
Oh wow maybe Phillies did offer a ridiculous amount
cpdpoet
Here’s hoping!
WS caliber team and can establish himself as the first japanese player of consequence in a major city. Guess we’ll find out out what he values after he signs, CAVEAT, like the Werth to Wash. signing, while I hated it for my Phillies won’t ever bash a player for taking the biggest bag.
Dirkdiggler2398
I’d love for the Phillies to land him one thing I’m kinda thinking to myself does he wanna live in the shadow of Ohtani? I think that’s one thing a lot of dodgers fans aren’t asking themselves
AndyWarpath
Stanton, Ohtani, Judge, Correa, Harper, Gausman, Senga, Ohtani again, and now Yamamoto
5TUNT1N
Love this, Correa accepted the money then had his contract fall through based off his ankle in the medical exams. Giants dodged that one.
TigersLoveCinnamon
They also didn’t even offer gausman a contract.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Hello Blake Snell then, I would assume.
The Dodgers making a Death Star of Ohtani and Yamamoto and the Giants getting Snell and Jung Hoo Lee while the Padres lost Soto and are dumpster diving is a pretty rough offseason for SD. Oh well. Here’s to letting some kids play for once.
petefrompp
Hard no on Snell – thats going to be a bad contract in 2 years at most
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Non-zero chance. His market has been pretty quiet for a Cy Young award winner.
I almost want the Pads to try to take a shot on him if they can wait it out. Almost. Doesn’t seem like the money is there for that at all though.
cash3w
It’s hard to use the term lightning in a bottle at the perceived rumor cost, but $300M+ for someone that hasn’t thrown a pitch in MLB seems a bit risky. I get Ohtani, but doesn’t his original deal with the Angels feel more like the probable lightning in a bottle scenario? If I’m wrong I’ll own it, but happy not to see the Braves involved.
Captainmike1
I think its smarter than paying a 10 million dollar bonus to a 20 year old kid drafted first in the yearly draft
So many of them turn out to be busts who still got millions for doing nothing
JoeBrady
From 2000-2016, 17 picks, 9 stars, and 8 busts. Interestingly, nobody in-between where you think “okay but nothing special”.
Mikenmn
Good odds when you think of the value, particularly early career, of a star, I’d take that bet
This one belongs to the Reds
It’s a lot risky, especially considering different skill sets are needed to succeed in each league.
phillies012tg
Soooo youre saying there’s a chance? (For philly) (even tho there’s not, but a girl can dream) (f***)
Johnny Devil
Yo it’s going to happen.
SupremeBacon
As a lifelong Giants fan, trust me, I’m not shocked anymore. I just laugh.
Captainmike1
Sounds like he is making a very intelligent decision based on gathered facts, getting a feel for the teams and cities and his personal feelings.
I salute his integrity and wisdom
Datashark
what intelligence he is going to biggest market team with most money to spend.
buya
Farhan did it again all jaws and no action.
Strike 5 on Farhan.
TigersLoveCinnamon
Is he supposed to hold him hostage until he signs with them? Nothing to do with Z
CaseyAbell
Yamamoto is also not going to a Rams game with Ohtani. But he might be flying to Toronto (just kidding). This really is getting beyond a joke.
James Midway
Next week he will eliminate another club. He will then eliminate one club a week for the next 6 weeks.
Captainmike1
The deadline is January 4
NashvilleJeff
@James Midway: I get the joke, but he has to sign by 4 PM January 4 2024 or he’ll be playing in Japan again next season.
178iq
He’s not a 300 million $ pitcher in the mlb. He’s a 15 mil a year for 5 years. Grossly untested against REAL bats. Whoever pays more than $150 million is going to regret it.
Zerbs63
In a small sample size he did pitch in the WBC against all star teams of MLB talent and had a 2.45 ERA in 7 ⅓ innings with 12 Ks.
Johnny Devil
His stuff is nasty in any league. I highly doubt though anyone will commit 10 years nor will this kid want 10 years. I expect a contract 6-7 years 200-210 million. My only concern is his size and durability.
Cedric Lee
It will be a long term contract with opt outs
filihok
17iq
“Whoever pays more than $150 million is going to regret it.”
If he’s untested, how can you know his value?
[Hint, you can’t]
Johnny Devil
His stuff is nasty and his value is whatever the market will pay him . He has faced mlb hitters and guess what they all say ??? This guy is NASTY !!
Fred2023
Mr. Cohen spent the last year burning Benjamins. YY probably runs to Cohen’s money bin and gets a few truckloads. 10y $250+, then we’ll see about “real bats.”
Ma4170
This is easily going 10/300 in my opinion
Murphy NFLD
Ive only been watching baseball for about 20 years but i always assumed, just like in hockey, that players want to play for the most storied franchises. In hockey its the original 6, Montreal, Toronto, Boston, NYR, Detroit and Chicago. In baseball i guess were talking about the Yankees, redsox, black sox, dodgers, giants, braves and cubs. Alot of the oldest ball teams are cheap kike the twins, pirates and reds. Anyway my point being is the giants havnt beed able to sign anyone of not for awhile now
Fred2023
Interesting definition of “storied” when both the red sox and the cubs endured century-long “curses.” And you really can’t leave the Giants out of your story. I think the stories of 40, 000 No. 2’s on SF’s streets probably chill their market currently.
THEY LIVE!!!
The best FA signing the Giants never made was Correa.
Consider yourselves lucky to have missed out on him.
The Giants have too many holes to fill to acquire a marquee type player.
How about Julio Urias and Trevor Bauer on one year pillow contracts?
Airbal
Urias and Bauer in San Fran on one year pillow contract I hope you’re not serious. Attendence on days those guys pitch 5. That includes the announcer.
Fred2023
until they win.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
They live!!!
Julio the wife beater and Trevor the fool who was set up to hit a woman sounds like you have a fetish for a certain type of guy.
Central Valley
May as well trade everyone of value, including Webb. Turn into the Tampa Bay Rays for a couple of years.
There is no denying that top tier free agents do not want to come to SF, warranted or not.
Datashark
SF owners own their own stadium, so they are not about to push for low attendance when their own city is already facing many vacant buildings and great showcases of used tents on sidewalks,
norcalblue
And I would respectfully suggest that reason has something to do with elite players, wanting to join organizations that are prepared to: 1) win in the short term 2) help them to grow as players and get better.
Attracting elite players, does require money. There are probably more than a dozen organizations in major league baseball that have the resources and financial wherewithal to pay players like Ohtani, Yamamoto, judge, Harper, etc. The San Francisco Giants are one of those organizations.
Again, I would respectfully suggest that the Giants problem has more to do with not having a core of young and outstanding players, who other elite players want to play with. It’s not about the filth or the crime in the city. Others here have addressed that issue as being fraudulent and it is. Elite players will play anywhere that meet the above conditions. Right now, the Giants are lacking of talented young players, and there is not overwhelming evidence that they have the capacity to develop players to a high level. Personally, I respect Farhan, and I think he knows how to do that, but he hasn’t delivered. Until he does, he’s going to be under the gun.
cmanson
no worries, Yamamoto will still have the opportunity to duece in the middle of the street or a random grocery store and rob a walgreens when the Dodgers play in SF.
Ezpkns34
Or when in LA for home games
DBH1969
I really wanted the Red Sox to get this guy. But at this price I am a hard ‘NO’
A 15 to 20 million buck risk for a big market teams is doable.
30 mil plus for a guy who hasn’t tossed a big league game? NOPE!!!
I am buying my bus ticket out of Silly Town.
Suitcase Simpson
how demoralizing it must be to hear you’re out of the running and that he’s probably going to the dodgers
Datashark
I think it was obvious when they made their offer and agent kept looking at biggest market teams on “where is your offers”
User 401527550
Odds are he’s not going to the dodgers. He’s taking multiple meetings with the New York teams and staying on the east coast.
Datashark
if he paid around what the rumor is around $300m he could be a huge weight for that team (if its the dodgers then he will hurt plenty in deferred years)
Datashark
Oakland A’s are ready to swoop in….Beane ball is back!
PabloSanchez
Yankees signed him to a 9 year contract you heard it here first
Captain Dunsel
Respectfully, I predicted 9/275 a while ago….to Philly.
Yankee Clipper
I got the Yankees at 10/330, but wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees went out to 12 because of his age and the fact they love to extend players well past their utility.
kingbum
google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/y…
Boston a couple days ago offered a contract north of $300 million. This could get really crazy, given the teams involved and what offers already presented, I think this goes over $400 million pretty easy.
Yankee Clipper
That report was debunked. It was not true. The only known value to this point anywhere near the $300MM mark was the LAD reportedly “considering” an offer less than $250MM.
Not that it won’t get there, but that report was incorrect.
Johnny Devil
Considering priority number one for yamamoto has been complete secrecy and mum is the word during this entire process, I doubt your source.
Yankee Clipper
Coincidentally, Jon Morosi is reporting tonight that Yoshi does in fact have at least one offer north of $300MM – I stand corrected… there’s now a sourced report of $300MM.
Datashark
Farhan readying the signings for Snell, Hader, and JD Martinez
TigersLoveCinnamon
They have no need for Hader at the price, the other two make sense though
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
Good riddance! Giants fans would probably rather have Snell/Montgomery and a few relievers or good bats like JD Martinez or Mitch Garver.
ElysianPark
Yeah,sure they would…..lol
HighOnPineTar
According to a source, the Red Sox and Yankees are in an aggressive bid war tonight with Yankees currently leading at 9/325.
Come on Breslow, don’t let the Yankees get this guy!!
PabloSanchez
Yanks signed him 9/326
baseballteam
The Red Sox are one more bad contract away from nuclear winter…
Ma4170
If that happens, cole is definitely opting out bc he’ll be pissed
Ezpkns34
But where is his plane headed?
Yankee Clipper
Okinawa….
acoss13
The Man From Okinawa…
onbase_plus_hugging
Please let it be NYY or NYM. FTD.
AL B DAMNED
Well, at least they had Arson Judge last year for a little while! Per: (You know!), Good thing the Giants GM got cold feet, or whatever on the Correa deal (or no deal!), and dodged a bullet! Anyway, I think they are lucky they are out of the running on Yamamoto because I personally don’t think he is worth the amount of money that reports have generated! So consider yourselves lucky and keep dodging those Bullets!
Cleon Jones
He should sign with the KBO.
10centBeerNight
LAD or NYY incoming. Those 100+ year logo traditions a hard to beat combo
Brian frigging Downing
I hopes he takes his talents to South Beach.
Mickey Solis
This is so sick. He’s just going to be a sellout loser like Ohtani and sign up for the easy ring with the super team Dodgers in a city where no one is real and no one actually cares about or knows baseball.
Datashark
think about it — go to Dodgers they will shell out big $$$$ and you have a quality line up with 3 super stars — which means he will be leading games= less stressful situations .more often
Giants – have no hitting stars, every game almost seems like the pitcher has to throw ZEROs every inning to stay in the game, or its a nail biter 1 run to play on – knowing your team wont score much in a tight game.
TrumboRedux
Makes sense to me
Go Go Power Rangers
I wouldn’t say Ohtani sold out. He took the deferrals so the Dodgers could improve, which is what they are trying to do.
YY just didn’t want to go to the Giants. Doesn’t mean he signs with the Dodgers. Personally I think the Yankees get him.
CommentsSectionCommenter
@GoGoPowerRangers
100% this. Every word. (However unfortunately, when it comes the part about the Yankees….)
Airbal
How many fans did giants have show up at the park last year? Dodgers are consistently top 1-3 in attendance every year.
King Donk of Punchstania
Have you not watched the dodgers lately ? They CHOKE. They won the most unique season in baseball history I give them credit but they’ve shown in normal years don’t bet on them.
Human Being
The Giants are excellent of assembling a team of veterans. They will get their starting rotation. It’s okay they missed out on Yamamoto. They will improve in other areas.
Yankee Clipper
I believe that this may be more beneficial to the Giants, honestly. They’ve been going after the top guy for a couple offseasons in a row; but, they would make marked improvements if they invested the same money into tier-2 players and acquired a greater quantity, imho.
If they went for Monty (I think he could be a great fit there), Snell (not tier-2, necessarily), and Hader they could be appreciably better. Hader and Duval could be devastating out of the ‘pen, and there are still plenty of position players available through trade and FA that could improve the ball club.
I could also be very, very wrong.
TrumboRedux
Clip, I am so afraid to say anything regarding Yoshi and the Dodgers…I value our friendship more…haha When do you think he signs though (wherever it may be)? In 2023? Before Xmas? Haha It is starting to wear on me..
Yankee Clipper
Lol, now that’s a true friend, Trumbo! Well, it’s interesting because I was certain he would decide before Christmas, but this week I really get like it was going to be pushed until the week after.
Now, I hear the Yankees have made their formal offer, and it’s supposedly a big one (obviously) to Yoshi. Knowing the LAD were pondering their offer to him a few days ago, I’m inclined to believe he will decide tomorrow or Saturday. Honestly, I think he’s already decided and just going through with his due diligence.
TrumboRedux
You are saying this could basically happen ANY MINUTE NOW!!!!!!! WOOOOoooooOooooo!!!!!!!! Let’s go Yosssshhiiii!!!!!
TigersLoveCinnamon
*doval. Giants aren’t gonna spend the likely 15+ mill on Hader after they used 11 mill on rogers last year. They talked up Chapman early in the off-season. They’ll sign him, snell, and make a few trades
Yankee Clipper
Ooof. How do you feel about Chapman? His defense is amazing, but his bat is impotent. My bad on Doval.
TigersLoveCinnamon
I think he’ll be an incremental upgrade for too much money. JD Davis was a very good third baseman defensively, with comparable offense. If they can trade him with a prospect for a starter, then cool. If they do anything more than 5/125 it’ll be an awful contract though
slider32
Pitching Ninga says he has a Gausman fastball, Darvish curve, Ohtani splitter, and Burns cutter, all he needs is a change. That shoulld get him 300 million.
Yankee Clipper
And his locker with #18 is patiently awaiting him in the Bronx.
bestone
Is this in the visitor’s clubhouse?
Yankee Clipper
Lol! Touché….
bestone
Sorry…low hanging fruit ripe for the picking…
Yankee Clipper
Still funny though… I just hope it’s not true!
bestone
It sounds like it will be the Yankees…at least he won’t get booed when he comes to the Rogers Centre….
Yankee Clipper
Haha! Ouch, man, lol… But, to be fair, we literally boo everybody. As Reggie said, “They don’t boo nobodies.”
carlos15
The Giants, always the bridesmaid
User 401527550
Bridesmaid, they weren’t even top 7.
Groucho
Probably because Buster Posey told him about all the poop.
DarrenDreifortsContract
No one wants to play for a fourth placed team.
Dumpster Divin Theo
No joy in Frisco, thanks to Buster
sfjackcoke
I do not have a problem with this. It’s up to the player and his wants. I’d rather have the risk of those $’s spread over multiple players. The Giants are so well setup to add future payroll plenty of talent to target and where needed over pay.
I think Yamamoto comes with outsized risk, his youth and dominance gets him both $ and years, but that dominance came in Japan. Even Ohtani for all his dominance and the LAA running at times a 6 man rotation to accommodate him still has 2x’s now had TJ, Yamamoto is JUST a pitcher.
I front load a deal for Bellinger with an opt out after 4yrs and pay LARGE for his 28-31 years. Over pay for Montgomery, get Woodruff on a 2yr deal so he can rehab and IF the SF staff think they know how to Giolito right, sign him too. Their track record on fixing starters is impressive. I think an overpay of Robert Stephenson is warranted. This guy has never been paid, hell I’d sort out whether there’s a starter in there and his want to start
Chemo850
Even ball players from other countries don’t want to set foot in San Francisco. Sad state of affairs.
619MetroFriars
Why would Yamamoto slight the Padres when he could have been closer to his original home while being next to our “Big Three” of Stars: Joey Musgrove, Yu Darvish, Mikey King (former Yankee), and soon to be top prospect: Drew Thorpe?
swanhenge
I hope they don’t announce each team one by one. Seems weird SFG was singled out.
Tune in tomorrow for the next unlucky team to bow out!!!
Central Valley
Reclamation projects and or players that are from the Bay Area.
That’s the pool of players that will consider SF.
Simm
I feel really bad for the giants. Padres maybe broke but at least players will take their money.
bestone
He left his chart in San Francisco….
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
The Giants just don’t seem to have the mix of farm system and current 26-man roster to attract high end free agents who want to win now. Since the fantastic Baumgarner/Posey/Wheeler trifecta, the Giants’ first round draft picks have been abysmal, with only the traded Arroyo and Joe Panik with over 2.0 career bWAR. Hunter Bishop still can’t get to AA, Heliot Ramos doesn’t really make a FA get excited, and Joey Bart is on his way to being a backup on a rebuilding team like the White Sox.
There needs to be a better plan than just trying to outspend the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, and Phillies.
iBleeedBlue
The who? Oh right, the Giants. I forgot the Bay Area had any teams left.
giacgara
Ouch. Nice. Topical, too. This orange bleeder likes this comment. Can’t think of a good comeback (Covid Championship doesn’t quite cut it). Good job.
iBleeedBlue
Just pretend the Giants won the COVID trophy and how legit it’d be in your mind because everyone else played 60 games too.
cpdpoet
Have lost track of all the comments and replies I’ve got, so I’ll leave this thread with the folowing:
….but it’s still kinda cool that for a guy with almost 1k career ip, his whip is under 1……
Wherever he signs, I’ll check his boxscores for sure.
MacGromit
amazing that the Giants keep whiffing on their big targets. wowsers.
HBRC1987
Good. That money should be saved for Soto next off season. A guy with an actual MLB track record. Not some “might or might not translate to the MLB” type guy.
BaseballisLife
Wouldn’t a RHP be best for that ballpark in SF.
gvnbuist
Morosi has an update – does this guy have any credibility left?
Bucket Number Six
It’s on a flight with Herjavec to Toronto.
Murphy NFLD
Bauer deserves a shot again now. Urias is a great pitcher but hes going to have to go the Roberto osuna route and play in Mexico or something. Do the Saudis have ball teams now? Baseball united its call thats were Bauer and Urias should go to make some good money and play against former big leaguers. Guys like Didi, big sexy, pablo Sandoval, robby cano and androlton simmonds are playing there in that 4 team league. I dont what there actually being paid but if its UAE and saudi related there should be big dollars there and likly the biggest deals outside mlb
ChuckyNJ
Aaron Boone is teasing a potential Christmas gift for Yankee fans — another superstar wearing pinstripes. The Yankee manager told reporters today (12/21) in The Bronx that the Bombers have set aside a #18 shirt for Yamamoto. (18 is a number associated with Japanese pitchers.)
ric7744
I think Giants fans have given up, I live here and the interest in the Giants is low and that is being kind.
halloffamernobodycares
in before ten responses telling you how wrong you are, even though you’re right
tangerinepony
Really?? They’re not that far removed after they won 3 WS in a 5 year span
JayRyder
I wanted Snell anyway.
ric7744
They won’t get him
CardsFan57
Am I being too skeptical to think the representing agents may be paying for these reports of huge offers?
'Tang It
Zaidi just realized he needed to add another zero to be in the conversation
Rob66
If he signs with LAD, all hell will break loose from baseball fans around the country
fox471 Dave
Get ready because he did!
LordD99
They could have upped their bid!
CaseyAbell
Hilarious stuff is happening on Twitter. There’s a clip of Curry on YES’s hot stove show teasing that Yamamoto to the Bombers may happen before the show is over. This is almost better than the Ohtani private jet nonsense.
LordD99
Jack is rarely wrong. Not before the end of the show, but he seems very confident and he’s wired in to all Yankee moves.
LordD99
Jack now says Dodgers.
Daryl Pauley
In my heart, the Cardinals are still in the running.
Dotnet22
You need to see a doctor.
CardsFan57
I hope not if the reports are true. It sounds like someone is paying Cole money for a pitcher who has never thrown a pitch in MLB.
CaseyAbell
Of course, there’s also that tweet from some guy on the Pat McAfee show that it’s a done deal with the Yankees at 9/326. If you believe that, I’ve got a private jet to Toronto for you. But who knows? It might be true.
Nevrfolow
He was gonna be kinda boring to watch to be honest
LDilbert
Mariners are shedding payroll and have two aces available in Luis Castillo and Robbie Ray under team friendly contracts.
Most don’t want to get rid of Castillo yet but mariners are no longer in a win now mode.
Might be worth a look for the giants
LordD99
Mariners are no longer in a win-now mode?
CaseyAbell
Now Jon Heyman – yeah, I know, the Arson Judge guy – is tweeting about an ongoing bidding war that’s gone over $300 million. Phillies are a “dark horse” plus the usuals (Yankees, Mets, Dodgers).
Sounds like the agents have managed to stir up a wild war between the biggest spenders in the sport. Insane.
acoss13
You just the mystery team tweet, and you have a full Jon Heyman report.
KHE
LMAO, Here we go again hahahaha. The Giants were going to be Big spenders this off season and have lost out on the top 2 so far FAs. They are not going to get anyone else, period. Not as long as Zaidi is in charge !! Fire the Chump and get a real GM in there that knows what he’s doing. Basement dwelling, AGAIN here we come !!
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Any man with hair is bad is Zaidi who doesn’t just shave it off is suspect on decision making.
bestone
As one of the few Jays fans left, I would like to thank the world of mlb rumors for not involving planes to YYZ, sushi restaurants, or dogs named Kensington in the creation of this fiction….
acoss13
I’m waiting for the “Yamamoto is on a plane” tweet and a decision is “imminent” tweet, or are we not at that stage yet?
Cknyc
the plane to toronto with ohtani…hasnt landed yet. according to sources.
kukuchi is still waiting at the restaurant with reserved sushi.
AshamedMethGoat
My final guess: This Dodgers fan thinks he’s gonna be a Yankee. Not gonna be a Met because they’re still the Mets (Cohen notwithstanding), and won’t be a Dodger because he wouldn’t be the only Japanese sheriff in that town.
So, Yankees money it is.
LordD99
There is a premium Cohen can pay to buy him out of wanting to be a Dodger or a Yankee.
acoss13
We’re at the “a decision is imminent” stage. Need that plane tweet and we’re full circle.
bestone
All the planes to Toronto are overbooked…
Poolhalljunkies
Dont count out boston
377194
Mets 10/$400M
619MetroFriars
Old News. The decision of Yamamoto to slight the Padres where: 1.) he’d be much closer to his original home. And 2.) he’s giving up the opportunity to toss side by side a trio of starting pitching stars in: Joey Musgrove/Yu Darvish/Mikey King and upcoming top prospect- Drew Thorpe. His loss.
CaseyAbell
Ben Nicholson-Smith (I love hyphenated names) is the Blue Jays guy and he’s tweeting that Toronto is probably out of it. Not a surprise but who knows what is true right now?
Jabronie23
Not a Giants fan, but the narrative that players are scared to live in San Francisco is really dumb. Rich people are pretty much completely insulated from the bad parts of any city
Snellzilla #7
Well said. It’s just people who are swayed by political propaganda
vivalosdoyers
Except when you step foot outside of your house even in the heart of Pac Heights.
This one belongs to the Reds
There were only 5 or 6 teams in baseball who could afford to sign this guy at that ridiculous price and everyone knows it. Stop pretending this posting system is anything but a farce for large market teams to exploit.
CaseyAbell
Meanwhile, Alex Speier is the Red Sox guy and he just tweeted that Boston is moving on to other pitchers. Sounds like the Red Sox are pretty much out of the Yamamoto derby, too. But the usual caveat: nobody knows for sure.
Poolhalljunkies
Sounds like something they have already been doing..cya
LordD99
There will be a decision on this no later than Saturday. I’ve been saying all along that the Mets will prevail because of Cohen’s money, but the deciding factor here is does Yamamoto want to be a Yankee. I’m beginning to suspect he does. He will be a Yankee.
LordD99
And in a matter of minutes, it appears he’s a Dodger.
towinagain
Hoping for a Yamamoto present for my Padres!
frankiegxiii
I wonder if rocker49 knows why Yamamoto didn’t want to sign with the San Francisco Karens.
Snellzilla #7
Because FARHAN sucks
Snellzilla #7
PLEASE Giants ownership FIRE FARHAN!!!
SFG.1
I agree with that, there’s a lot to be said when he can’t close a deal. He may just not have the personality that appeals to most.
piratedan
as a DBacks fan this is kind of disheartening, watching the team slowly assemble a competitive squad to compete against the Dodger empire and then the Doyers’ get a bit of comeuppance and they go out and do this…. glad for the guys that get paid, but how long is it going to be before we watch Baseball introduce their own SUPER League for only the deepest pocketed Franchises to ensure that they can eliminate the sharing of revenue and pennants.
oldgfan
Every SFG fan should have seen this coming when Ohtani deferred his salary.
Now can we please get on with the offseason now that the billion dollar manipulation of the Fodgers is complete?
SFG.1
I never really thought he’d sign with the Giants anyway.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
300 million for a pitcher who’s never thrown a MLB pitch? Mets must be the high bidder.
TrumboRedux
I guess you were close? He is now a Dodger.
SFG.1
I wasn’t holding my breath that the Giants would sign this guy. I’m on the fence on this one, if they can just use all that that money they tossed around and sign a few decent players they can compete. The Dodgers fold in the playoffs anyway.
TrumboRedux
Do you think the Giants bring Joc back?
HBRC1987
Not bringing Joc back. Too expensive. More likely to get Matt Carpenter as the DH. He is basically free. Could catch lightning in a bottle and if not, dfa him and keep picking up reclamation project guys for cheap like we always do.
oldgfan
No need for DH.
Flores, Haniger, Conforto, Yaz, Murphy will all rotate in.
Yussel
No chance. The Giants have the cornered the market on DHs.
snowyphile1
Sad but true.
JoeBrady
As a RS fan, I am fine with this. I don’t like Snell long-term, but I think he will have a better season in 2024 than YY.
drasco036
I didn’t watch Snell so my question is, where did he get his walks?
I don’t mind a pitcher who pitches the best hitter(s) on the team cautiously but if you are allowing walks to 7/8/9 hole hitters, that’s a problem.
This is where commutative stats lie, like Bellingers exit velocity. What’s his exit velocity with no strike and one strike? I don’t care if he’s not hitting the ball hard on strike 2 if it’s out in play.
HBRC1987
Yamamotos numbers in mlb debut season: 5-7, 4.68 era.
Michol
Giants were never ever serious about signing these players. They were just pretending and making sure Dodgers pay as much as possible. Giants ownership gunshy about spending for sure.
Breck68
Now with Yoshinobu Yamamoto signing. I think the SF Giants need to do the following. In my opinion the Giants need to do the following.
Sign Blake Snell for 6/$150 million,, Marcus Stroman for 4/$80 million and Matt Chapman for 5/$125 million. Then they can play Chapman at 3rd, move JD Davis or Wilmer Flores at 1st and then either Davis or Flores at DH. Then the Giants can trade LaMonte Wade Jr. , Austin Slater, and another extra outfielder or combination for a backup shortstop/second baseman . Then make another trade with the remaining of them for a 4th or 5th starter. Again this is just my opinion.
Michol
Boras wont allow it
Cknyc
imagine if both ohtani and yama blow out their elbows and get tommy john surgery….
oh wait….ohtani just had his 2nd tommy john surgery…
i hope they never win a championship and curse the dodgers for 20 years.
oh wait, wrong article.
ehhh might as well just leave this here.
AK415
It’s ok, we at least got TJ Hopkins.