For the second time this month, the Dodgers have made a record-setting free agent strike. Los Angeles announced the signing of Yoshinobu Yamamoto to a 12-year contract. The NPB star lands a reported $325MM guarantee, an all-time high for a pitcher. The deal comes with a near-$51MM posting fee to the Orix Buffaloes of Nippon Professional Baseball, bringing the overall commitment north of $375MM. Yamamoto is represented by Wasserman.
“I’d like to thank everyone in the Orix organization, the Dodger organization and all the people close to me who have given me so much support throughout this free-agent process,” Yamamoto said in a statement released by the team. “I am truly excited to wear Dodger Blue and can’t wait to play in front of a packed Dodger Stadium.”
Yamamoto receives a massive $50MM signing bonus and a pair of opt-out opportunities. Those are conditional on the status of his elbow but would allow him to retest free agency after the 2029 and ’31 seasons if he stays healthy. If he doesn’t incur a serious elbow injury, he’d be weighing whether to opt out of the last six years and $170MM once the 2029-30 offseason arrives. The deal does not contain any deferred money.
The right-hander has been the best pitcher in Japan for the past few seasons. He spent parts of seven years with the Buffaloes. By his age-20 campaign, he’d emerged as one of the top pitchers at the second-highest level of professional baseball in the world. Yamamoto turned in a 1.95 ERA that season, kicking off a run of five straight years allowing no more than 2.20 earned runs per nine.
That includes sub-2.00 ERA showings over his final trio of seasons. Yamamoto has won the Sawamura Award as Japan’s best pitcher in all three years. He worked to a 1.39 ERA over 193 2/3 innings in 2021, followed by a 1.68 mark in 193 frames the next season. Yamamoto somehow turned in an even better year in his final season, pitching to a microscopic 1.21 ERA through 168 frames.
Among NPB pitchers to reach 100 innings, Yamamoto’s ERA was more than half a run lower than anyone else’s. (Shoki Murakami finished second with a 1.75 mark in 144 1/3 frames). Only Shota Imanaga, who is also available to MLB teams this offseason via the posting system, topped Yamamoto’s 169 strikeouts. He punched out 26.6% of opposing hitters against a tidy 4.4% walk rate.
It’s about as dominant a body of work as a pitcher can build before he faces any MLB hitters. The elite production is supported by both scouting and quantitive evaluations of Yamamoto’s arsenal. Evaluators are nearly unanimous in projecting him as a high-octane major league starter. Conservative estimates on his upside point to a future as a high-end #2 starter, while other scouts have pegged him as a potential ace.
Eno Sarris of the Athletic recently broke down Yamamoto’s repertoire. He suggested Yamamoto brandishes three plus or better offerings highlighted by a split-finger that should be among the best in the majors. The righty worked in the mid-upper 90s with his fastball in shorter stints during the World Baseball Classic. He also sports a promising curveball and a cutter as his third and fourth offerings, while evaluators praise his athleticism and command.
Yamamoto would have been in high demand even if he were in his late 20s or early 30s, the standard age for a free agent pitcher. That he debuted in NPB as an 18-year-old and was made available via the posting system only adds to the appeal. Yamamoto turned 25 in August, making him the first marquee free agent pitcher that age since Masahiro Tanaka signed during the 2013-14 offseason. He’ll be paid through his age-36 season.
To the extent there are concerns about Yamamoto, they’re limited to his lack of MLB experience and a smaller 5’10” frame. That hasn’t worried many evaluators, though, and they’re clearly not issues for the Dodgers.
Entering the offseason, it was widely believed Yamamoto would land the largest contract ever for a player coming over from NPB. It’d have been a far bolder prediction to peg him for the largest deal of any pitcher in major league history. That’s what he’ll receive, though, setting the mark in both contract length and guarantee. He’s the first pitcher in recent memory to reach even the 10-year mark. The guarantee edges past the $324MM which Gerrit Cole landed with the Yankees during the 2019-20 offseason. Yamamoto’s deal stretches three more seasons than Cole’s does, but his camp is surely pleased with the guarantee record even if it required slightly lowering the annual salary.
The deal comes with a $27.08MM average annual value. Regardless of the precise salary distribution, that’s the relevant factor for the Dodgers’ competitive balance tax picture. That pushes L.A. well into the third tier of luxury tax penalization. Roster Resource calculates the club’s CBT number in the $282MM range.
The Dodgers are set to pay the tax for a third consecutive season. They’re taxed at a 50% rate for spending between $237MM and $257MM, 62% for their next $20MM, and a 95% clip for spending between $277MM and $297MM. (They’ll be taxed at a 110% rate for any dollars above $297MM.) By pushing the Dodgers from around $255MM to $282MM from a tax perspective, the contract adds roughly $18.2MM in tax payments. It also means that future acquisitions will come with an elevated tax height.
On top of the money to Yamamoto and the tax payments, the Dodgers are on the hook for a huge sum to Orix. Under the terms of the NPB/MLB posting system, a posting fee is calculated as 20% of a deal’s first $25MM, 17.5% of the next $25MM, and 15% of further spending. That comes out to $50.625MM which the Dodgers owe to the Buffaloes.
It’s a staggering outlay, one that pushes near the $400MM mark in aggregate. It’s the kind of massive strike the Dodgers envisioned in the wake of the Shohei Ohtani signing. The defending AL MVP deferred $680MM of his $700MM deal until 2034-43. That left plenty of money at the front office’s disposal to fix the starting rotation. With Ohtani unable to pitch until 2025, he signed with a team that only had Walker Buehler and Bobby Miller as locks for the Opening Day rotation.
Within a couple weeks, the Dodgers have constructed a star-studded pitching staff to complement their strong bullpen and loaded lineup. Los Angeles acquired and promptly extended Tyler Glasnow. Adding Yamamoto to the group gives them a potentially elite front four. There’s still some risk. Glasnow and Buehler have concerning injury histories, while neither Yamamoto nor Miller has pitched a full season in MLB. Yet it’s also not difficult to see the path to excellent results regardless of whomever takes the final spot. Ryan Yarbrough, Emmet Sheehan and Michael Grove project as the top internal options, but it’d be foolish to rule out the Dodgers adding a veteran arm to continue their all-in push.
Aggressive as the signing is for L.A., they weren’t meaningfully above their top competitors in the bidding. Martino reports that the Yankees put forth a 10-year, $300MM offer, while the Mets put the same $325MM figure on the table. According to Martino, Yamamoto’s camp had sought opt-out provisions after the fifth and eighth seasons in those discussions. The Giants, Red Sox, Blue Jays and Phillies were also in the running down to the final week.
In the end, it seems Yamamoto preferred the Dodgers to the other clubs that were seriously involved. The Athletic’s Will Sammon reports that the Mets first presented the $325MM offer, which the Dodgers agreed to match. He’ll join Ohtani, Glasnow, Buehler, Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman and Will Smith on a team that’s likely to enter the 2024 campaign as the most popular World Series pick.
The rest of the clubs will look elsewhere. The Mets seem likely to have a fairly quiet offseason, as they reportedly viewed Yamamoto as a unique free agent based on his youth and talent. They’re not expected to pivot to the next tiers of free agency. The Yankees, Giants, Blue Jays and Red Sox could all still be in play for top-of-the-market talent, either on the rotation front or at other positions. Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery now stand atop the starting pitching class, while Cody Bellinger is arguably the best remaining overall free agent. The market could also now accelerate for Imanaga, the #2 NPB pitcher who has until mid-January to sign with an MLB team.
Jack Curry of the YES Network first reported that Yamamoto would sign with the Dodgers for more than $300MM. Jeff Passan of ESPN reported the 12-year, $325MM term. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale was first with the $50MM signing bonus, while Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic reported the absence of deferrals. Passan reported the two opt-out possibilities.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
Lol yeah baby!
Congratulations to the Dodgers!!!
Dodgers fans deserve this.
Baseball isn’t gonna be worth watching unless you like the dodgers, but man they will be cool
huh?
Why?
Was s a s Q2
I can’t think of any other fan base that bothers to spend 4 to 5 innings at the game. Super great fan base. They deserve nothing but the best.
They should change their name to the Los Angeles Dollars
What an entitled thing to think.
MLB is a microcosm of the wealth inequality in America. The Dodgers are Elon Musk, the Yankees are Jeff Bezos and the A’s are homeless. ⚾️
Yeah. Too bad by time they show up he will be at 75 pitches.
Ruining a sport just to lose to an 85 win team…
They deserve $hit all. What a bunch of entitled little princesses.
Go cry more communist.
Wait until injuries occur. imagine new prices for seats, parking, hot dogs and beer. Shylocks will be standing in the food court…
“Shylocks”.
No tf they don’t. No one does
Also, the Northeast can be tough. Fan rebellion when he comes to visit could be rough, especially from those who may believe he played the system and always knew where he was going (once Ohtani signed).
Spare us all your sanctimonious drivel.
I guess when all they have is one fake championship in the last 30 something years they can at least have the best regular season teams ever.
Lmao why is he a communist?!? Your right wing nut job is showing.
Clever character. Demands 50MM signing bonus up front and 1st opt out at year 5. So if he opts out then LA would have paid w/ the posting fee 215MM for only 5 seasons or 43MM per season. Nice work.
ASap – Not a good comparison, Elon has reached the top of the mountain since 1988.
And he moved FROM California, not to it.
Dodger fans also deserve the financial drain these contracts will have on this team for a generation.
That’s great
@Dewey – Time for Boston to pivot to Imanaga & Montgomery/Snell. “Full throttle” begins today!
dewey – Not to worry, they lock up batteries in Philly stores now.
There will be no JD Drewing of Yoshinobu.
Excellent comment, ASaps!!
That’s kinda funny
They don’t even have that going for them every year.
They’re still going to lose in the 1st round.
When you have nothing intelligent to say, call someone a communist!
What ACTIONS in the last 4 years tell you that. Odds are firing Bloom and replacing w/ Breslow is a head fake to placate fans. Henry has reduced the club to second tier status.
“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”
“Won’t get Fooled Again” –The Who
Who?
What?
Yeah yeah
Lil Jon
You do realize they have the biggest stadium capacity and have by far the biggest attendance year after year. More people have seen a Dodger game in person than any other sports team in the world.
As opposed to the warm and fuzzies the Northeast is always known for
So in the future, base a decision around where you’d like to settle for family, livelihood, around how the Northeast feels, because you know, feelings butt hurt and all. Got it.
Clever character- as in what. Charlie Chan? Where was the faux outrage when Gerrit Cole signed? cue the Asian peril comments to go along with the Jackie and Shylock comments we saw earlier.
If the A’s were homeless they’d live in San Francisco… but I agree with your analogy, lol
What??? Met and Yankee fans are going to riot??? That is really silly.
Ah here we go. The toughest season in MLB history and the clown patrol calls it a fake championship. How did your team do in 2020 or any other recent year?
Classy Freddie!
Actually Moonpie they’d live in LA, which has the highest homeless population by far in California.
Elon reached the top of the mountain on the backs of the slave labor from mommy and daddy’s emerald mine.
As the economy proceeds toward its inevitable crash, people will not be able to afford tickets to the Dodger games. And these wealthy putzes who thought they were bullet proof will be humped.
Dave – Sorry but that’s a clown comment bro.
60 game regular season schedule
42 of the 60 regular season games played in Cali
Farthest regular season trip was to Houston.
Neutral site postseason games in all but the first round
16 of 30 teams qualifying for postseason
7-inning doubleheader games
No playing in front of hostile road crowds
60-man player pools for each team
Many star opponents not playing because of Covid
Yeah, really “tough” season for the Dodgers. Clearly you didn’t even follow baseball that year, if ever.
Funny thing is many of the people you’re attacking for not recognizing 2020 as a legit championship would also support MLB if they ever decided to award the 2017 championship to the Dodgers.
Something tells me you became a Dodgers supporter about 2 weeks ago.
wow, literally the dumbest comment I have ever seen on her
Fever – I get your point but every team was in the same boat that year and they made the most of it while others gave up.
Dodger concession stand: “I’ll have a Dodger dog and a 16 ounce Coors light.”
“OK, that’ll be $68.00.”
A’s stand: “I’ll have the footlong dog and a Bud.”
“Sorry, we didn’t stock any hotdogs today. We didn’t know anybody would show up. And no beer because our refrigeration is out park wide.”
“What can I get?”
“I can make you some peanut butter toast.”
“OK, that’ll be $1.38.”
grnmtn – Competition is highly dependent on fairness.
No season in MLB history was as inequitable as 2020.
The scheduling has never been as unbalanced as it was in 2020.
As for giving up, did guys like ERod “give up” because Covid gave him a severe case of myocarditis? You’re a good guy, so I don’t think you really mean that.
BTW – I’ve defended the Dodgers spending, because they are playing by the rules. I’m just saying their MLB-leading revenue is a huge advantage that allows them to make these expensive acquisitions.
I thought Bluto said it was the Germans.
I thought the highest homeless population by far was in Colorado. Where the clocks are always set at 4:20
I don’t get it
Why?? What the heck of Dodger fans done that so special?
Really…. Do you have to buy yourself a world series ring? Do you really feel you earned it? when you have an unfair advantage over 1/2 of the other teams (unlimited money to spend). Many of them, small market teams like the Royals and the Brewers can’t even come close to what the Dodgers spend. The Dodgers don’t even have to develop their own players, because they have enough money to outbid most teams for the available top free agents. So while the Dodgers can buy themself an All Star team, teams like the Royals and Brewers can only hope to make the playoffs and wish to get lucky. Baseball sucks because it does not have a salary cap. As one person who has always watched baseball, I am at the point that I am about to stop going to the games and watching them on TV. No one (other than large market teams) want to see the same teams year after year, after year in the Championship or World Series games.
Dodger fans don’t deserve anything when they show up 4th inning and leave the 6th.
Atlanta is way more complete of a team.
Musk would be the Mets
It’s really as much about their TV deal. They essentially own their own TV Channel that I’m forced to pay $5 or $10 a month for even though I never watch it. Same thing with the Yankees and YES Network. Dodgers TV “deal” was something like $8.35 billion for 25 years in 2013 – right when the deferred contract money is starting to come off the books.
@Zerbs
“More people have seen a Dodger game in person than any other sports team in the world”
If that is true – and I have no reason to doubt you – given 81 home games a year and a huge stadia – that does illustrate the hinterland. I had a great time at Dodger stadium, and met some great fans and good people. The English accent and cute European wife helps…
No, Musk’s sports owner counterpart was Dan Snyder. A more appropriate analogy would be the Dodgers being Warren Buffet/ Berkshire Hathaway.
LA draws better than any other team in baseball, so yeah I guess their fans suck…. espn.com/mlb/attendance
Latest valuation puts the Ohtani contract at $1B SURPLUS value. Dodgers are projected to be most valuable franchise of any sport on the planet by the time the contract is up.
How is wealth inequality in any way a bad thing? Do you actually think all wealth should be equal regardless of the things people do and don’t do? And how long do you think that equality would last before everyone was right back where they were to begin with?
Unless we live under a communist totalitarian regime (and even then it will still exist, just with less rights), there will always be some form of iNcOmE iNeQuAlItY. Its inevitable. People have different skillsets, interests, work ethics, and a plethora of other variables that effect this. To just expect there to no or minimal income inequality, or that its even some inherently wrong outcome is naive on an epic scale.
pray tell what losing squad do you support?
The same Elon that makes anti semetitic claims on X?
That Elon?
Ok Princess. You forgot your glass slipper with your man
While your mom hollas
so you’re what now? 12?
Toughest season? You can’t be serious. That 60-game schedule was a real grind. Sorry, it was a tainted “championship”, always will be and nothing can change that.
Perhaps you haven’t checked the Dodgers’ record at the end of the day, when Championships matter. The Dodgers would be Sam Bankman-Fried.
Ha yes. They have struggled for so many years with such poor, poor teams. I assume this is sarcasm.
You can buy players, but you can’t buy a team.
Third. I mean Seventh
What? I thought he was headed to NY! Lol!
NY needs some pitching bad! No panic though!
He was…. LAD offered him money and winning; Mets offered him money, Yankees offered him less money and a Yankees jersey.
They are no longer “‘dem bums” that’s for sure. Walter O’Malley would turn over in his grave.
I think Friedman has finally flipped. Ohtani is a beast but also a 29 year old whose value is a two way player that just had his 2nd TJS. He is going to have to baby that elbow or they will be paying $70m a year for just a DH. There is hardly any bone left to drill the new holes with a 3rd TJS. Think Chris Capuano when imagining a pitcher with his 3rd TJS. Then they go and sign another Japanese pitcher for crazy money. In NPB pitchers throw once a week and go deeper into games. They throw hard all the time like MLB relievers. That is why they have such crazy stats in Japan and they always seem to have elbow trouble their first year in MLB. Tanaka is a perfect example. His first few months he pitched like he was in Japan and was crazy good. Then he developed elbow problems and never pitched the same again. He was a solid #3 but not the TOR he was expected to be. Yamamoto will be the same way or he will keep having TJS like Ohtani. Either way the Dodgers are not getting what they are hoping for. I am glad Cashman wasn’t able to sign him. I think Imanaga is a lot closer to what the Yankees need. Strong steady veteran that can slot into the #3 spot. He is a command pitcher in the mold of Kuroda that won’t spend half of his contract recovering from TJS.
Wow, the Dodgers are going to be a very good team. Congratulations to Yamamoto.
A super team!
why though?
A super team that crashes and burns in the post-season, as they do every year.
Lol….why do you think they are working to delete your narrative?
Yeah… they’re pretty questionable at SS, 3rd, and arguably in the outfield… and there’s some serious injury history hanging out in the pitching staff beyond just Ohtani, Glasnow, May, Gonsolin, and WB.
They do look a lot like a video game team right now and could be awesome, but I’m not completely sold on it all coming together. My money is still on Atlanta.
Yes but WHY will they crash and burn this year. Stay tuned.
This what the Dodgers do. They spend so much money on superstars and building up one aspect of their team that they create holes elsewhere.
They’ll still be the best team but there’s no doubt there will be some holes in positions where they didn’t spread the wealth.
Let’s see if it pays off this time.
Lets call them Western Yankees
The wankees? I like it
Braves aren’t much better in the post season cept for ’21
Every team has a couple of duds. Look at the worst regulars on some of the great Yankee teams, or what some of the greats get from the back of their rotations.
Yes, from a baseball construction basis you raise good points as usual Cora explorer. From a business standpoint, $70 mill annually on two global superstars when you’re already generating so much annual revenue is ingenious. The Dodgers generated $605 mill in revenue last season and their market valuation is already $5.24 billion. That’s before these signings. Let that soak in. Think the global impact of signing these two cats at $70 mill per will be somewhat north of the seismic impact of the $31 mill spent on the Seth Lugo-Wacha doll in Kansas City. Then again, I’ve heard Lugo-Wacha, like Citizen Dick from Singles, are big in Belgium so maybe KC gets some bang too
Yeah, three WS appearances in seven years. One they won and one was stolen. You are right, crash and burn in the postseason.
One ring in seven years with that payroll is atrocious. Going and losing doesnt count when you have those resources. If the Astros would not have cheated they never would have made it the WS and someone else would have beat LA that year.
Wankees, Asmunch, and Red Strokes
Of course, our Cards had no chance at signing him, Francy. I guess the jury is still out on our pitching pick ups. Not very excited.
Weren’t people saying the same thing about the Mets last year?
Ok I’m not salty as I don’t really have a favorite team, just love baseball…. but seriously this is what pushed me over the edge of “baseball is broken”
I agree. It’s not really on the Dodgers. They should be aggressive in putting the best team forward. I just hope more teams step up and do something to put competitive teams on the field. What we’ve seen so far isn’t good for baseball
The Dodgers are rational actors maximizing their position. It’s the CBA that is broken resulting in a competitive imbalance system, and there’s no end in sight for a fix.
I’m not sure we are too far off saying the same thing. I’m just hoping teams get creative to build teams in the short term.
Yeah that’s exactly what he just said.
Yep, backing up what Let said.
This deal is tolerable but the defreerd Ohtani deal? Not sure how that one is tolerable but the price tag will cripple the Dodgers ten years from now at some point. Hopefully they don’t mindlessly spend through it.
Broken system? There hasn’t been a repeat WS winner since the last century. Gtfo
@boxscore, that’s hardly a valid measurement of a competitive system. Large revenue teams have more and higher revenue streams and longer competitive windows. When was the last time the Yankees or Dodgers had a Reds, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, etc. complete rebuild?
I don’t get why some of you feel this way. All teams had the same chance. As reported, the Mets offered the same contract. Yanks offered 300M for 10yrs. Giants, Cubs, Boston etc all were pushing to sign him. What it boils down to is you have a few owners that love the game and are willing to put out winning products while others just satisfied with making money for themselves. Baseball ⚾️ is not broken. It’s the team owners who are the problem. You put quality players out, fans are coming to the ballpark. Besides, you still have to play the game. Dodgers having won anything yet. Teams like the Braves, Padres, Dbacks, Giants, Cardinals, Mets, Rangers, Yankees and others are still competitive teams and it still has big time free agents out there. Padres and Mets went all in the past 2 seasons and didn’t win anything. Miami Marlins shocked the world by winning WS with a team that no one even knew. You still have to play the game.
Or Ray’s right? Too funny.
The Dodgers will make back most of the deferred money in a few years, with the marketing alone. Watch!
Every naysayer clamors for salary caps, yet they still can’t explain how super teams are occurring with *more* frequency in NBA/NFL when they have salary caps.
Dammit I can’t believe I agree with you clipper! lol
Would have to be with a salary floor too. But both sides are greedy.
That’s what she said
How exactly is baseball broken when the dodgers who reset their tax the last couple years didn’t sign big free agents the last couple offseasons and they sign two big free agents and now baseball is broken. Give me a break. You morons who think a cap is going to solve anything. Players want to play in big markets and live in big cities. You can’t make players play in Cincinnati, they play in LA for less money. All a cap does is cost players money.
Calling people morons because you don’t agree with them is childish. Calm down, this is just a discussion about baseball. Get a life.
Telling someone to get a life is childish. Settle down, it’s a discussion about baseball.
@iverbure. Didn’t sign FA last couple of years? What do you call Freeman, Martinez, Peralta, Syndergaard, Heyward? Please stop with the myth. LA uses $ to build its roster and has spent more than any team over past 15 years.
Why the heck would I care how much a player makes or what a cap might cost them? I aint getting a piece of their check. I care more about competitive balance, like say, football is. Without a cap the Green Bays of the world would never see the playoffs
As far as you calling others morons I imagine its how many Dodger fans react to the negative reaction to their spending. You would look a lot better if you just enjoyed being a fan of a team with unlimited resources
A cap is needed. MLB playoff teams predictable. NHL 2-3 teams. I wonder how you would feel if you were a Royals fan?…
@dp I get what youre saying but MLB always has surprises. I know I sure didn’t have the Rangers winning the WS.
@Brew88 Indeed…..At the time of the monster deal with Boston for Gonzalez 10-ish years ago, the writing was on the wall.
The LAD were taking the reins the Yankees held in the mid-90s to the late oughts. Now, if the don’t win at least 2-3 WS before Ohtani retires, they’ll be more associated with the Braves of the 90s and Oughts.
Royals fan here! We’re thinking, “It’s still football season and we have Mahomes.” Don’t worry about us. NFL has taken over MLB for America’s Pastime. It’s moves like this that will make it sink even further for the majority of the country.
But they aren’t taking less money, unless you think Cincinnati has been secretly offering people $325M.
@iverbure
Players don’t care if its a big market or big city. They just want to be paid. Give one example of Cincinnati losing a FA to LAD when they offered more money! You can’t, because they aren’t able to offer more than LAD. You are right in that a cap would cost the players money, which is why they won’t agree to one.
@paddyo I disagree. That 90s Yankee team was home grown in it’s core and it won 4 out of 5 years. The Dodgers are more like the Yanks of the eighties.
Honestly, the Royals have done a great job with moves and staying relevant. They are looking to compete in a weak division.
They’ve done more than my Red Sox. All we have basically done is replaced Verdugo with a player who may not even get 500 at-bats and may get less WAR overall if he’s not healthy.
Dodgers didn’t reset the tax what are you talking about
I’m not surprised really just glad it’s over
Agreed. M also stands for Mute
Yeah Royals fans are jumping for joy they finally attempt to add some talent outside mostly failed prospects spending over 100 mil this offseason, and it winds up less than 10% of what the richest team spends.
Telling someone to settle down is childish. This is a baseball discussion.
After they signed deGrom to an already good team that to advance needed a reliable postseason starter rather than a brilliant question mark I thought it was an absurd bet with 15% of their payroll.
If that is true….Yankees are a close 2nd !
The players are broke man.
Iverbure doesn’t waste time with trivial things like facts. lol
iver – Being ignorant and arrogant at the same time is not a good combination.
You call people “morons” in the same paragraph that you falsely state the Dodgers “reset their tax the last couple years”.
No, they did not. This year they exceeded the threshold for the third consecutive year.
ocregister.com/2023/01/22/dodgers-on-track-to-exce…
“The trade for veteran infielder Miguel Rojas (who will make $5 million in 2023) moves the Dodgers’ projected payroll for 2023 to approximately $237 million, putting them over the CBT threshold for a third consecutive year”
You’re the moron if you can’t see how baseball is broken. A salary cap would mean more teams have a chance to sign guys. If a star player becomes available and the Dodgers already are close to the cap, then Cincinnati could offer more money if they have room. Also, it’s a joke that the Padres and dodgers keep giving out out 10 and 12 year deals, no way to know how a player is going to perform. They are doing that to lessen the AAV, which shouldn’t be allowed.
Are you delusional? Freddy Freeman?? Mookie Betts??? If there was a salary cap, teams would only be able to afford 1-300 million dollar contract. Not 4. Idiot. Also ask Joe burrow, Deshawn Watson, Patrick maholmes, if they need to play in a big market or big city. You sir are a fool.
Exactly, ibervure.
Brew – He also falsely stated the Dodgers “reset their tax the last couple years”.
This was the third straight year they exceeded the tax threshold!
And the only reason it’s not more than three straight years is because 2020 was impossible for any team to exceed the threshold due to the Covid joke of a season.
What’s really needed is a floor. There shouldn’t be a cap if there isn’t a floor.
This country has a distribution of wealth problem which have intruded upon our escapist pursuits like baseball. That said there is enough hate in the world and if you have a problem with the Dodgers better energy is spent on fixing what’s wrong with our country.
When the going rate for a Seth Lugo Wacha doll is $16 mill then Yamamoto at $25 is already kinda a bargain, no? And in 6-7 years, won’t the $25 mill be already common place for a 32 year old starter? Compare where salaries were in 2014 to now before clutching your pearls. Consider that Tanaka and Ellsbury got $22 mill ea and David Price a whopping $31 mill at age 31. Would you rather have a 25 yr old Yamamoto or 31 yr old Price?
@Fever yeah, his was a classic la la post.
Lol you think most players wanna go to LA or New York and deal with those fans and media versus going to a city like Cincinnati or St Louis and live a nice quiet life? No. They do it because they will pay more and have the resources to do so. Noone plays in LA for less money. And you call people morons hahaha!
You showed him!
LOL it’s cute that you think that high profile, young athletes want to live “a nice, quiet life” in cities like Cincinnati or St. Louis. Oh the sheltered life you must lead…
@dps If I was a KC fan I’d feel better w/ the more recent ’15 WS than a NYY fan w/ their ’09 WS. Nice try.
Tru dat Cora. Body builder fullback body types don’t age well in baseball see Mike Trout.
Verdugo at least stayed on the field. Breslow so far? Not impressed.
Having lived in both LA and Cincinnati, I would never again live in the hell hole that is Los Angeles. I won’t even visit there. San Diego and San Francisco are nice. But LA, no thanks. It’s a cesspool.
By the way, Cincinnati is a great place to live. Your comments shows you have never been there. I don’t know anyone who would choose LA over Cincinnati. No one.
I’ve lived in both and would choose LA every time. You must not have been able to afford the nice parts of LA. Every city has run down parts.
He’s getting a $50M up front bonus, and can opt out after 5 years. So effectively, it’s a 5 year $33M deal followed by (at his option) a 7 year $23M. If your beliefs about future FA prices are accurate, if he’s healthy and performing, he’ll opt out. So basically, the Dodgers either are paying for a 5 year $33M/43M contract ($43M includes the posting fee), or they end up stuck with a long contract on a pitcher who no longer is providing comparable value.
grnmtn – I thoroughly enjoyed my time at The Big A this year, in and around it.
I refused to go to SF, based on what I’ve heard. Which is sad because I know I would love the ballpark.
Petco Park was awesome as well.
I would love to go to SD; seems like it would be a beautiful place to live.
Calling someone childish is childish
Oh please I lived in Silver Lake, but yeah LA is expensive which is another reason not to like it. I bought a beautiful 3,000 foot home in Cincinnati for $500,000. You would be lucky to buy a dump in LA for that amount. The biggest difference though are the people. People here in Cincinnati are down to earth and would do anything to help a stranger. It has the highest rate of volunteerism in the country. In LA the people are all fake. It has the highest rate of cosmetic surgery in the country. People pretending to be something they are not. If you like LA it says a lot about you.
You shouldn’t be afraid of SF. It’s a very charming city and has the best ballpark in the country.
Instead of basing your avoidance of SF on hearsay, go there and admire one of the greatest cities in the world.
PS— All major cities have problems and parts that you should avoid. For instance, a recent survey shows LA and Seattle far more dangerous that SF.
@Bob you obviously don’t fit in with those down to earth people and they most likely know that you don’t, the way you stereotype a whole city’s population based on a small group of people. That says ALOT MORE about you. Fwiw, I now live in a small remote town of less than 300 people so you don’t have to tell me about down to earth people. They’re the real deal here.
@pete they’re only repeating what their faux “news” gurus are telling them
Pittsburgh has the best ballpark in the country.
I hear PNC is beautiful, but until I see it, Oracle is tops.
Pete – recommend you get Petco on your next to visit list. It is a beautiful park as the voting suggests.
Camden is one that I want to visit soon. SF also for that matter.
Yes, Petco is on my list. I’d been to Jack Murphy.
No comparison my friend – at all. Not even on the same planet.
I’ve seen a lot more at the Murph since I lived in Mission Valley back in my younger years. I enjoy my semi-regular visits to SD and always include a game at Petco. No to think about it, it’s been too long so I’ll try to get there in 2024.
I’ve got Peoria for the first week of March on my calendar and can’t wait!
Obviously you’re the moron because they signed Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts(resigned). You’re stupid if you think a baseball player deserves to be paid 700 million dollars. All sports should have a salary cap.
Nope I’m right
Im right and whatever I say is a fact
@Paul5484
“You’re stupid if you think a baseball player deserves to be paid 700 million dollars.”
A baseball player deserves whatever someone is willing to pay him.
It is, But the Dodgers have just become Chelsea (same owner) and I hope the Dodgers (and I used to like the Dodgers) have similar poor results. Throwing money is not always the answer.
You’ll be happier when they win 110 games and lose in the first round of the playoffs.
Dodgers spent 1 billion on a guy coming off his second major arm surgery and a guy who’s never pitch in the mlb.
Very high risk
This is true. I wonder why every one is so mad?
It’s because they wanted their favorite team to get him and that the Dodgers got him. I know it’s ridiculous, but I really believe that is why they are so mad.
When the money is irrelevant, the risk is minimal.
The money’s not irrelevant, of course. Imagine YY out for 2 years with TJS and Ohtani’s arm woes turning him into a good but hardly brilliant 3-win DH. They’re paying roughly $78m for those 3 wins.
Now what? They’re not going to go out and add another $78m in payroll as if those things hadn’t happened.
Yes they would. That’s what you don’t get. They don’t have to worry about an albatross contract like many teams do.
AND they traded a good young starting pitcher for a guy who average 8o IP per & extended him. Last I checked the Dodgers rotation will consist of 2 guys who were 120 ip last year and that was thier most ip ever. Bueler didn’t pitch, Yama is undersized and will now be throwing an entirely different ball, with shorter rest in a longer season, May is out til after the ASG. Kershaw is a hurt FA til August… Ohtani is replacing JD Martinez who was .893 OPS with 33 HRs. Coming off TJS surgery he, like Harper, probably will be a little low on power. and lower than his career .923 OPS.
1 billion dollars on two players and they still don’t have the most complete roster in baseball. Reminds me of the early 00s Yankees. Big money for 1 or 2 championships. Let’s not forget the dodgers only championship comes from a 66 game schedule.
Your ignorance of history is showing, Paul…
How is $325 mill out of line for a pitcher when 3 other teams are reported to have offered the same thing? Isn’t that market price? It’s like going into Best Buy and throwing a hissy fit over paying $1700 for the latest Sony 65″ 4K Bravia TV, claiming you saw a TV available for $200 at Walmart. As five other people walk out with their purchases of Sony 65″ 4K Bravia TVs.
PaperBag – You forgot Glasnow, another big money risk that only a large revenue team could take.
It’s high risk if you’re not looking at the perks the Dodgers will get from Ohtani alone and simply looking at injury risk etc. It’s been reporting that in his 10yrs in LA, the Dodgers will make over a billion dollars from all the incentives Ohtani bring along with him. It’s already reported his jersey sales are off the chart. You have stores in Japan selling Dodger wine by the bottle and his sales are off the chart. You also have every TV station in Japan paying to stream LA games. What it turn out to be is a smart business move by any team that paid him that money but the Dodgers were his choice so they will reap the benefits. That’s more than enough money to pay both their salaries.
I can see it now. Ohtani can’t pitch in 2024, Glasnow has a permanent spot booked in the medical rooms, Kershaw is out for most of the season and Yamamoto fails to adjust to MLB and the larger ball. Dodgers don’t even make the playoffs.
You forgot Bobby Miller wins the Cy Young and leads the Dodgers to another World Championship.
Bobby Who ?? It is 35 years since the Dodgers won a real one so I suppose Dodgers fans can dream.
I think you’re getting ahead of yourself. The Dodgers easily make the postseason but what they do beyond then is questionable.
That would be beautiful
Exactly what I was thinking. I want the Dodgers to be the power in the NL but the money they dished out just isn’t going to get them where they want to be.
The Glasnow signing in particular seems odd. The chances he’ll be healthy AND effective in October can’t be even 50-50. Where’s the Kyle Gibson or 2 x Adrian Houser to keep them afloat during the year?
And Betts and Freeman have to decline some day, right?
Ohtani should be able to tell him the difference. He has a sub 2 era in the last three years, bauer called him the best pitcher in baseball, and was studying his games to get adjusted. he should be just fine unless his arm falls off
From the department: If you can’t raise your own spirits, lower the countryside.
Lmfao, I wish I knew you personally. I would bet you anything but hey, that was a blind man’s comment so you can’t see anyways!
Hahah let’s goooo!
Told yall he wasn’t signing in cold NY where the rats are the size of cats.
Shadow: Yes you did and my prediction of NYY came right back around and bit me.
Congratulations on Yoshi, he’s going to be excellent. You guys have one heck of a team.
I think the Giants have a pretty good shot in the NL West this season!
Yeah a shot at finishing last in the division
@Buzz Saw…Nah, Rockies have Last on lockdown. SDP and SFG are competing for 3rd and 4th
I dont think DBacks will repeat their 2024 success either. There’s no guarantee… I think San Diego might come in 2nd and Dbacks 3rd but it’s kind of hard to tell at the moment. Giants could also surprise. It would be ironic if their foreign pick up ends up contributing more than the Dodgers’s.
Only if both the Dodgers and Diamondbacks team planes crash in April.
off your meds?
Hmmm … If Darvish was a 25 year old jumping from Japan, would you sign him for 12/$325MM?
@Uncle George
Darvish is 9th in fWAR among all qualifying pitchers since 2012, a five time all-star and multiple top 10 CY finalist. Wouldn’t have been a terrible investment. Could have been a lot worse over that span
( Matt Harvey?)
Over a billion dollars in one offseason? Yuk! Enjoy while it lasts, it’s gonna be rough if those contracts don’t pan out. Especially if this pitcher gets smacked around
It’s not over a billion, it’s ***deferred***
Almost a given, barring a miracle, that THE PADRES WILL NEVER WIN A WS.
MLB loves LA and NY.
MLB has about 6 to 8 favored markets and the rest are NPCs.
This is simply a fact.
No real reason to have a baseball stadium in SD.
Petco should go the way of Qualcomm and the area used to house the homeless.
Exactly how I feel with the Ms. Except we have a roof to keep the on field homeless encampments dry inside T Mobile.
The Chargers went to LA and became homeless
Spanish pushes all fans away-giving the Bolts a dwindling fan base.
Spanos*
The Padres have a great team, great fans and a wonderful stadium. They just need to work on team chemistry and bringing in players who play for the team and not themselves.
@twa Tell everyone your theory on disparate use of juiced & dead balls in Pobres games nefariously brought about by MLB to suppress specifically the Pobres offense & run production.
Didn’t San Diego just beat the Dodgers in the playoffs a year ago?
The problem with with the Padres now is they are doing a 180. They were paying to win and now completely changing their approach. Mets are the same. They need to eye young talent and building longevity, not throw all their chips in to lose.
To say they are never going to win is a little absurd. Look at what the Rangers did this year. They came out of nowhere. What did the Dodgers do? SD still has a chance. I’d agree with you more if you said this about the Rockies before the Padres as that organization doesn’t have a foreseeable plan as far as I can see…
I still keep asking myself if the Dodgers can maintain all this money moving forward. In 5 years when they’re big names are declining, good luck to them.
Please stop with MLB hates the Padres. The Padres hate the Padres. Even with a star studded lineup and the best rotation on paper they couldn’t even win the NL West with everyone else seemingly having lesser of a lineup. Roster composition hardly works with 6 guys who all think they are the best. They don’t play as a team. Chemistry has more to do with a team winning.
There’s no parity in baseball unless you’re the Dodgers, Yankees, or Redsox. The rest can get in the back of the line. If you are not a good farmer you’re out of luck.
Try to pay attention. NYY no WS since 09 and LA’s 66 game schedule WS doesn’t count in many ppl’s opinion.
As a Sox fan, we haven’t had an aggressive push to sign anyone since Chris Sale. We have nowhere near matched the Yankees or Dodgers in those respects.
In the last 15 years these 3 teams have won 3 WS. That’s if you count 2020…….just having high payroll does not equal WS trophies.
Congratulations to Dodger Fans who have Owners who want to win at all cost!!!!!!
HOWEVER—- IT’S RIDICULOUS THAT MLB WOULD ALLOW A TEAM TO SPEND $1 BILLION DOLLARS ON JUST 2 PLAYERS!!!!
ESSENTIALLY CAPABLE OF BUYING A
WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP
—- ANY YEAR THEY WANT——
(What’s happened to parity in the MLB???
Has that theory been bought off too???)
In 1968—- the Cardinals became the first team to have a combined total salary of the 25 man roster of over $1 million dollars.
Lou Brock said all of the other teams called them the “Fat Cats”
Salaries are totally out of control in Major League Baseball now!!! No going back!!!
Disgusting and bad for baseball. The Dodgers are just “playing” within the rules, but the rules need to change or they’ll be no competition in MLB. It’s a microcosm of wealth inequality in this country.
Second. I mean 1278th
How much deferred?
As a Giants fan, I’m ready to defer to the Dodgers for the next decade.
Giants will be fine they need to build not grab at the stars
Giants have empty seats. A superstar would fill them. A pitcher not as much as say Ohtani Judge I would guess.
Like they should’ve been doing all along and haven’t been doing? We are decades behind (as in 10-20 years behind)
I started boycotting Giants games this year. As much as it hurts me to boycott my lifelong favorite team, I cannot with good conscience spend another dollar on them until FARHAN is gone
They are building a loser around Farhan Stripling Hanniger etc….
No worries just sign Blake Snell and Cody Bellinger for now. It will just take a little while longer for the Giants to catch the Dodgers.
Yeah but hiring at least a couple guys to play baseball might be a good idea…
F Snell and Bellinger. And Farhan Zaidi
I think those two guys signed already
Like they’ve been doing for the past half decade? The team is a disaster.
I boycotted them but not due to the team. Their usher staff at the games is trash. Some lady tried to kick me out with zero reason. Pathetic.
#FF—you are so misguided, this is not Farhan’s fault. There are 28 other franchises, are they also all failures? How long have you been a fan? Get some perspective. Some franchises have never even won a World Series, ever! We Giants fans are spoiled in comparison. Look at life with a longer lens or you will forever be disappointed in everything.
You sound like me with the Halos. Except I can’t bring myself to abandon Trout. Praying he trades himself to the Dodgers sooner than later!
You’re not a real fan. Real fans don’t “boycott” teams
I didn’t though. I said I can’t bring myself to abandon Trout…He is the entire team…
The problem with SF liberals is that it is always someone else’s fault. No personal responsibility. And yes, the 28 franchises are failures. There is only one winner – no participation ribbons. No comfort dogs. Fire Farhan and his loser staff.
What in the f@ck does this have to do with “liberals”? And Agnes DID NOT say the other teams were “losers.” You’re making up a narrative that is clearly false!
The Giants will be lucky to catch the Diamondbacks let alone the Dodgers. If
Does that include the Rangers?
Agnes is Farhan’s lapdog and/or mistress. She needs to go eat a nice big juicy steak and some genetically modified veggies. In life, there is one winner, everyone else is a loser.
@agnes gooch That line of thinking is delusional. (Btw there are 29 other franchises, not 28.) Now even FARHAN himself is taking responsibility and saying that it’s his fault. It’s nice to see him actually taking some responsibility.
@Yanksfan1030 I still watched from home. I just didn’t spend money on tickets and merchandise last year. I’m not boycotting the team per say, just the front office.
@Pete’sView I agree it has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives, or any of that crap made up to divide people. I wish people wouldn’t try to interject politics into sports conversations, they’re completely unrelated subjects. That said, you did bite at his bait. Let’s try to not feed the trolls.
@True Giants Fan You’re pretty much right about Agnes and the constant emotional defense of Farhan.
But the 10 years after that, the dodgers will be paying 68 million a year to the ghost of shohei ohtani past. Just something to look forward to i guess lol
& probably something to Yamamoto. I’d be surprised if a portion of this wasn’t deferred.
Crazy price for a non proven MLB player. I’m shocked. You’d think the Dodgers are about done now though.
Oh no! Some billionaire will be spending money 10 years from now!
I meant that in the payroll sense
Actually they won’t be. An insurance company will be.
They’ve already trademarked that day: Sho-hei The Money™️
Come on Scott… take solace in the fact they’ll run out of gas in October like they do every year.
As a Rockies fan I wanna jump off a cliff
@JR I’m sure he can get lit up playing a mile high just like most other pitchers.
Oof. That’s rough. I’d love to see the Rockies get competitive. Wish you luck dude!
Plenty of cliffs out there. I do think there are support groups available just for Rockies fans though. Or at least asylums, haha
You are a bandwagon fan and not a Giants fan sir
I’ve been a Giants fan since 1979. Farhan has to go
Doug Fistered…I grew up in Merced, and played against Doug Fister when he played for the Volunteers…I hit a bomb off him at the Merced Jr College before he left to Fresno State. Only time I made the newspaper! Haha
I liked Fister with the Ms. Cool story.
C Us Sink…I seen him at Raley’s grocery store in Merced after he retired, and had a good laugh about that ball Sandoval bounced off his head in the WS. He’s a good dude, gave back to the community.
And now you’re telling strangers about it on line. Strangers discussing MLB.
As a Giants fan all you can do is watch the Giants smack them around. I don’t care who they have, play the game right, you win. Dodgers are in a spot where there’s nothing but a target on their back…every team is going to want to beat them down. When I was young and playing ball, I always wanted to face a stacked lineup. Just so there’s no excuse for when we beat them down.
Unfortunately for the Giants, they don’t seem to have any direction as to where they are going. I like Logan Webb alot, but I don’t see much around him on that staff or in the lineup. Too many complimentary players and not enough impact players.
Edub…there’s a lot of good pieces coming up especially pitching. Giants need a heavy hitter, which they can trade for, sign snell and grab another decent pitcher. They’ll compete if they can make that happen.
Lotsa luck with that
The Giants are Sylvester Stallone vs Dodgers Ivan Drago…David beats down Goliath!! Haha
Not much of a fan then I guess.
I see what you did there
It says zero
None
Zero deferred.
No money deferred. Can almost guarantee you the reason why Ohtani deferred so much of his salary. I’m sure getting the chance to be on the same team as Ohtani was a big factor.
Said $0 deferred much later than my post.
Bingo Sean!!
ugh
Ugh is right. The gap is growing.
The gap is even bigger since the dodgers last real ws win.
Cold blooded tang it…
Baseball is broken.
It’s your team (insert name here) who doesn’t spend. The Dodgers are in the same spot as any other team
For Christ sake no they are not. The Dodgers Mets and Yankees are financially in a league of their own. It the the responsibility of both the writers and pundits as well as the fans to acknowledge this.
Are the owners billionaires? They can afford it. If the team can’t or won’t try to make deals then the teams should be sold! MLB forced McCourt to sell the Dodgers for the same reason. So cry me a FN’G river
The Dodgers are in the same spot? Never have any lamer words been spoken. LOL
This is a billionaires sport. If teams like the Yanks, Dodgers, Mets didn’t exist and spend like they do the smaller teams wouldn’t get the tv revenue and ticket revenue that they do. Your owners are just being cheap and they draft and hire poorly.
No it’s truer words. That you don’t see that is on you
Misfit coming in strong with the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in ages.
Yep, the Miami Marlins, Milwaukee Brewers and LA Dodgers have exactly similar revenue streams.
Adorable.
Its a widly unbalanced system. In what world would a team like the Rays who drafts well and is at the top of league in developing players have to trade their best starting pitcher? Or even think about trading Randy? They just cant compete dollar wise.
Rooting for the Dodgers and Yankees is like rooting for Amazon and Wal-Mart against your local mom and pop store.
All those teams are owned by billionaires so yes same page. The Dodgers are constantly getting taxed and draft late year in and year out. So you’re right I’m wrong. The Dodgers are at a disadvantage. Thanks for making me see the light.
Calsurf,
I’ll let a famous character sum up a worthy response:
“And When The Doctor Said I Didn’t Have Worms Anymore, That Was The Happiest Day Of My Life.”
Ralph Wiggum
But Amazon and Walmart have the cool candy, not the busted crusty pez dispenser from 1985 like the mom and pop store…
It’s up to the owners to compete on the business side of things, not just on the diamond.
Tampa Bay has zero fans. Their stands are always empty. That is why they can’t afford to keep their players.
Rays didn’t trade their “best pitcher”.
My local mom and pop doesn’t deliver same day to my door like Amazon. Go team Amazon!
CTMcB
“Rooting for the Dodgers and Yankees is like rooting for Amazon and Wal-Mart against your local mom and pop store.”
It’s like rooting for MLB against the NPB
It’s like rooting for the police vs a shopkufter
It’s like rooting for the US against the world
Stop. Baseball was always like this. 1927 Yankees. 2024 Dodgers. The sport hasn’t drastically changed. It’s not supposed to be “fair.” Upsets make it even more exciting.
Did you type that with a straight face?
Nope! Lol.
Of course they did.
So what you are saying is that it is Milwaukee’s fault their city is smaller and has fewer fans than LA or New York. Glad to see you are logical.
Tampa Bay has plenty of fans. But the Ray’s don’t play there. They play in St Petersburg which is across a toll bridge from 90% of the Ray’s fans. This adds an extra hour and a half each way to the journey to see the Ray’s. You might as we’ll be angry at Chicago fans for not supporting the Brewers. Or Cleveland fans for not attending Pirates games.
Baseball is broken? Except baseball has 16 different title winners since 2000, 3 more than any other major sport. The top 3 payrolls all missed the playoffs last year. How is it broken exactly?
Because (with a couple notable exceptions — well one, now that the A’s train has ended), only a handful of teams are competitive year in and year out.
@Rolup; because,,,,,,, the more teams added to the playoffs, the better the chance a lower seed team has of winning. Anything can happen in a short series! It’s meaningless to play a 162 game season, put the emphasis on winning the division and then let 2, maybe more additional teams in.
The NFL & NHL are even worse with their amount of playoff teams.
That’s pretty dumb to say when arizona just made the World Series. No one considered them a real contender all year.
Yet Nacho Cheese is indestructible!! Long live nacho cheese on carne asada fries!!
Yea look I’m all ‘Yay Yay for Capitalism’ and I’m even OK with the Luxury Tax “Penalty” serving no purpose whatsoever, but a team really should not be able to add ONE BILLION DOLLARS in contracts in one offseason. That’s fckn garbage.
To be fair, the Dodgers balance sheet was pretty low in debt going into this season so while $1 billion sounds crazy, it really is just slightly crazy.
PR
” a team really should not be able to add ONE BILLION DOLLARS in contracts in one offseason. That’s fckn garbage.”
Why?
It’s not like their 2024 payroll is a billion dollars
Ohtani and Yamamoto cost them $69 (nice) million a year.
So what if they signed them for a long time?
Ladies and germs: there can now be zero doubt as to what franchise is now the evil empire.
Why does there have to be just one?
Yeah I’m more of the mindset that LA is Mordor and NY is like the Death Star. More than enough room for multiple evil empires.
Right, those d*mn cardinals just made so many moves early and beat everyone to the punch. The poor dodgers were left with the scraps.
I do believe parity/competitive fairness needs to be addressed in MLB, but not by penalizing the high payroll teams monetarily.
To level the playing field, MLB should hirer some stats/actuary guys. They crunch numbers to determine various payroll ranges and then assign a value for each win.
Ex
Middle payroll range teams: 1.0 Pt/win
High payroll range teams: 0.975/win
Low payroll range teams: 0.975/win
Higher payroll range: 0.950/win
Lower payroll range: 0.950/win
Highest: 0.925/win
Lowest: .0925/win
My idea is to penalize draft picks with crippling selections the more egregious the offense. Any team that spends over a billion dollars should darn near not even get to pick the following season.
Potential to be great… but quality of players in Japan overall is like AAA to MLB. Dodgers better hope he makes the adjustment. Not saying I wouldn’t have wanted him but it’s a huge contract for a unproven
I know right
I’m done watching baseball, this is the final straw.
Byeeee
Final straw? What about Myles Straw? He still here
And available for trade.
Bye?
Oh no please reconsider don’t go
This isn’t an airport – you don’t need to announce your departure.
Byeeeeeee
How original
I think people are allowed to be frustrated. The Padres, an actual small market team, tried to compete financially with the Yankee and Dodger monopolies. How long did that last? I’ll be plugging my nose for the comments on this one.
See ya!!!!!!!
I don’t believe you. : -)
Nahhh not forever, but at least for a couple years. The dodgers having a monopoly on all the best players makes this kinda BS and not interesting to watch.
What’s interesting is that they don’t win despite this crap.
This is nothing new in baseball. The Dodgers are out yankeeing the Yankees at their own game these days.
I am taking at least 3 months off from watching baseball.
The Dodgers still have holes. I don’t think the Rangers had the best roster in baseball last season. D’Backs certainly didn’t have the 2nd best.
Doesn’t guarantee anything. They’re going to be extremely tough but all it takes is a couple bad games and you’re finished.
Blah blah. Sure they don’t. Basically the way the playoff system is set up, whoever’s hot wins. Instead of trying to get better they should probably fold up their tent and hit the road right?
TIm
“What’s interesting is that they don’t win despite this crap.”
Truly the dumbest take
Most wins in baseball over the last decade
SB
“The dodgers having a monopoly on all the best players ”
The Dodgers have Acuña? And Cole? And Seager? And Aranado? And Harper?
Damn. Break then up
They will still lose 50 games!
The Dodgers may have the most “wins” but they don’t win in the postseason. How many World Series wins in that time? ONE – in a short season. So no they don’t win. In fact you could make a case that the Dodgers are the biggest choke artists in pro sports. I don’t hate the Dodgers by any means. Good for them – but you are walking a tightrope with these two contracts. We’ll see…
So many dolts on here, filihok. They provide the most entertainment by winning so many games every year.
Me too
Thanks for announcing your departure.
– no one
@SupremeBacon: Don’t let the door hit ya where nature split ya!
Blue Baron Lolol that’s really good, I’m gonna steal that
Another cry baby. Omg the dodgers reset their tax last year omg more crying
People whine when billionaires don’t spend their money.
Dodgers spend an obscene amount and it’s a huge problem. At least they’re well capitalized and won’t have a debt issue like SD.
All that being said, I hope they get their @$s kicked in October.
Remember, Supreme. You promised.
Why, just every time the Dodgers come to town boo them. Let them know they’re the most hated team in the game. They want to buy a championship. Let them try.
No can do, their fans fill our ballpark
Then don’t go and boycott them. Ha
Ya that’ll show em. Ha ha
Haha!! Yeah it’ll really rattle them!
@Balk: It won’t accomplish anything other than you feeling like you’re doing something. Quite pitiful, actually.
Blue Baron…”other than me feeling like I’m doing something?” I’m not doing anything, but talking to “supreme” dude up there giving him some fun ideas. Not sure who you’re talking too?
Suggesting people go just to boo another team. Pathetic, and I’m talking to you.
I’m talking to you now and don’t care how pathetic you have to be side busting peoples conversations. If I wanted your opinion and ask for it blue moron. All your takes are for birds. Go cry somewhere else
For once the laughing crayon has got a point
And once again ole Baron, no one was saying JUST go to a ball game to boo, your full of assumptions aren’t you? It was a joke. You read one part of someone’s conversation and you think your input is needed or wanted. Move along.
Get over yourself. You’re just a pathetic fanboy.
Like I said Blue Moron, move along, you’re the only thing that’s pathetic. Have no life, just side busting on peoples conversations. I’ll tell you what, don’t speak unless spoken too when it comes to me? I got your fanboy right here! Haha
I’m pretty certain that the Dodgers opening day payroll is going to check in under the Mets last year…..
Oh no don’t go
Why? Dude hasn’t proved anything at the MLB level yet. Could end up a total bust. That will be fun to watch!
Exactly!
Doesn’t sound very supreme of you. I question your bacon.
SupremeBacon — I can understand your disappointment.
Bye Felicia
Oh damn that was sudden…
And disappointing…
But not surprised.
How’s this? Boo! Surprise!
Well, most figured it was LAD or NYY…
Congratulations LAD fans, looks like the team is going to be some fun this year! Ohtani AND Yoshi, wow.
Yankees have serious work to do now because Soto will not make up the difference alone.
I really hope the Yankees don’t go full stupid and make a bad contract decision in an effort to make up for this miss though…..
They need to avoid giving Montgomery #1 starter money when he’s a #3 at best
Matthew, 100%. And it’s precisely what worries me is going to happen. In fact, overpaying for lesser performers is Cashman’s wheelhouse.
I definitely think Monty can be a #2 for the Yankees now truthfully. He’s proven he can beat teams like the Orioles and the Astros. $150 million for 6 seasons definitely seems fair for Gumby.
99CJ99: Yeah, I’d take that in a heartbeat for him. I just assumed he’d be closer to $200MM because of Boras.
Truth be told, I don’t care how much the NYY spend on players, except I can see Hal drawing waaaaaay back over the next couple years.
He’s successfully achieved having NYY no longer be the baseball superpower, imo. It is now the Dodgers. And I congratulate their fans on having an awesome owner/team. Wish ours was as committed to winning.
Definitely bring back Montas. Maybe Jordan Hicks. There could be a trade for a starter in the works. There are some unused bats now with the crowded outfield. And it would keep costs low to then sign Soto.
a number 3 at best? so there are 60+ pitchers better than him? OK…
You mean like rodon?
Well, despite Rodon’s performance and the warning signs that came with him, I supported that signing. Yankees needed to grab a big arm and I’m hopeful ‘23 issues won’t define his Yankees career.
– perhaps I’m naive though….
Rodon is so talented if he can’t pitch in NY, some team will trade for him. I think Rodon will be comeback pitcher of the year in 2024 no worries truthfully.
Don’t worry. Y’all got Trent Grisham. He’ll be the difference. He’ll be 2024’s Aaron Boone of 2003. Game 7 PH Walk Off Grand Slam upper deck in right field. Against the Friars.
Yankees been making bad decisions for decades.
There’s nobody else worth getting. Snells peripherals stink and suggest he got very lucky. They also don’t have the high floor pitching prospects for Burnes or Cease. Our best option is Beiber and a string of several depth signings.
Super bullpen, by signing Hicks, Hader and a few other elite relievers
Yeah, outside of Cease, I’m inclined to think Cashman will defer (no pun intended) to his one strength using analytics: building a bullpen.
That said, you give me Hicks (been super high on Jordan for a few years now) and Hader, and we could have something cooking.
Dumb-dumb Boone can’t burn them out like he does every year though….
He’ll never be Joe Torre after Zimmerman left. Paul Quantrill, Scott Proctor and Tanyon Sturtze probably still have sore arms to this day.
Agree with you except for Bieber. He isn’t worth trading prospects for or spending money on. 2 seasons out of 6 with less than 30 starts (3 if you want to extrapolate the COVID season as 30 starts)
They will, they always do!!
The Yankees will be fine. Class organization.
One injured player and one unproven player in MLB okay
for a billion dollars
Plenty of options still available. Just hope all this was for a good player
Streaking: I think so. All available evidence (eye test plus analytics) points to Yoshi being a TOR arm. I think you guys got a good one.
Dang, man, I just realized that the LAD rotation, if they can stay healthy, is going to have some heavyweights. WB plus Yoshi at the top or the rotation is no joke.
Glasnow as your #3 with a developing Bobby Miller as your #4 is an elite rotation.
You throw Dustin May & maybe Kershaw in there by mid season and you really got something there.
Obviously, they can’t rely on Glasnow until he can prove he can stay healthy. But, I forgot about Miller…that dude is going to be so good. Their opening day rotation has to be considered one of the best now.
Yup. They can probably put the kid gloves on Glasnow though. Give him an IL break or 2 during the season. They’ll be good enough to get by without him. Just need to have him in October.
They’re going to be extremely tough to take out.
YC-
2024 -Yamamoto, Buehler, Glasnow, Miller, Stone/Grove/Sheehan til mid season when May and/or Kershaw arrive
2025- Yamamoto, Ohtani, Buehler, Miller, Glasnow, May, Gonsolin backed up by Stone, Grove, Sheehan, Knack, Frasso, Ryan…
Yeah, that’s a brutal rotation to face. And that’s if the LAD don’t make any more moves!
Well, I think it’s awesome for the fans. There’s no question about the management team’s desire to put an A+ product on the field and win it all. That’s awesome imho.
@clip
I think they’re done with long term contracts but an Adames/Burnes deal seems like such a great fit.
They don’t have to commit to another expensive pitcher and it rounds out the rotation for this year while Buehler pitches his first full season back and Ohtani can’t pitch.
plugs up their biggest question mark @ SS and lets Gavin Lux be used like Chris Taylor.
Man, BStro, looking at it from that perspective is interesting. They should have the prospect capital to acquire those two, and if they do something like that? Yikes, what a powerhouse they could be.
It’ll be awesome tuning in to them for sure. But, the games still have to be played on the field. I thought SD would win it all and they didn’t win with an incredible team.
Either way, what a nightmare it’ll be for the opposing NL teams this season.
Yeah, absolutely no certainties.
That bullpen could let them down (Of course they might have too many starters so that it won’t really matter) or the bats could go cold again.
I think this team is significantly better than any of those SDP teams though. You’re talking about a 100 game winner that just added all of this.
The Braves have been there and done that too though. They’re definitely no longer the favorite but that is a team that could get them.
The Yankees should sign Kershaw just to mess with them.
That’s assuming they don’t get hurt. Rays also had a solid rotation then lost Rasmussen, Springs, Baz, McClanahan.
Dodgers already have plenty of injury risk with Ohtani, Kershaw, Buehler, May and Glasnow.
Yankee Clipper;
I’m a long time Dodgers fan but there are some issues to watch carefully here.
Buehler, 2 TJ surgeries
Ohtani, 2 TJ surgeries
May, 2 TJ surgeries
Glasnow, 1 TJ surgery
Gonsolin, 1 TJ surgery
Kershaw, shoulder surgery, bad back.
This is not a shoe in.
In no way guaranteed!
IMO, a pitching staff walking on egg shells!
It doesn’t matter. they will just buy more pitchers if any of these break
Roki Sasaki coming in 2025
As a Dodger fan, thank you for kind words from most postings and let’s play ball!!!!!!
Dodger owners/Friedman had this off season in mind for years, and now capitalized!!!!
He and org had this blueprint for some time …. Dodgers and Atlanta gonna be fun watching these teams go at it next few years ….. Let’s go yanks lol plz don’t sign bellinger for 300mil
Should be fun watching the Dodgers crash and burn.
You rang? LoL.
Maybe those state farm commercials are legit.
Was that a b*tthole surfers reference? You know, Hairway to Steven?
Haha hahahaha haha
Just like the LOL Mets and LOL Padres this year
LETS GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
1.16+B offseason is an iceberg, a beauty that is awe-inspiring for good or bad. We’ll know when we pass it.
This is perhaps one of the best illustrations of this type of offseason I’ve ever read, ClevelandSteel.
$2 the first year… $299,999,997 deferred
Some teams defer money to 1 player. Jerry defers many players from 1 lineup. Maybe we can bat with a lineup of 5? Still no RF, LF, 3B, or 2B. I think I’ll watch the Dodgers in 2024.
Well, that’s not the Yankees and that is hilarious.
Unless you’re a dodgers fan, the absolute worst case outcome for MLB was him signing with dodgers. Yankees weren’t great last year so even with him, it’s not like they’re a bona fide contendor.
I’m a Yankees fan but this is getting pretty out of hand what the large market teams (Yankees included!) are able to do. MLB needs some sort of hard salary cap and salary floor.
I agree, but I’m a red Sox fan, so still hilarious. On the bright side, the dodgers still won’t win.
First round loss. and Yamamoto tears his MCL by the trade deadline
Please never speak out for a player to be injured. It’s just not a good look. No real sports fan wants players out for injuries.
I’m fine with you wanting a team to lose, but wishing/hoping injury upon a player is gross.
@Tang It, with all the problems up there in Beantown, what do you all focus about? Well, the Yankees of course.
Not wishing injury, but the Dodgers just signed a pitcher to a 12 year contract. He will be injured. Name one current MLB pitcher, around for that long, that hasn’t been injured.
MSL
“First round loss. and Yamamoto tears his MCL by the trade deadline”
I hope you get pancreatic cancer
PoS
Muted
Misery loves company
Celtics and Bruins.
Matthew De Douchebag
filihok – you’re angry at a guy that said Yamamoto will get injured, and you’re response is advocating for a death sentence? That’s hypocritical and counterproductive. Come on, don’t make the problem worse. You don’t have to wish terrible things upon everyone you disagree with.
as an expert in losing being a Redsox fan, you make this Dodger fan worried.
Fili – you muting someone. That is rich baby!
I can’t imagine that you or any other human could wish cancer on anyone. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here. In exchange, I ask you to re read your post and realize that when you hit “post comment” or “send” that ridiculous sh—t goes out into the world for everyone to see and form an opinion about you.
You can’t undo that.
Learn and improve my friend for your own good.
The Yankees haven’t spent a single dollar on free agents this season!
I suspect this isn’t a case of the Yankees (or Mets) being outbid. It’s a case of Yamamoto wanting to be a Dodger.
Hard cap? What the heck the Yankees overspending year in and year out.
I don’t see these larger markets wanting to share their revenue. They seem to enjoy spending it on players and putting it in their own accounts and investments. They try to pay as little as they can to revenue sharing as is.
Get a better owner. A hard cap is not needed because the big teams bring in the revenue. Don’t wanna spend but want to compete? Draft and trade like the Braves.
Seems to work well in other sports. Or is this a case of Dodgers exceptionalism?
Since when were the Braves in A small market?
I am a Dodger fan and have always admired the Yankees organization. Still the class of the American League.
Fox and I see Dodgers class of NL maybe yanks make it to WS B4 ohtani n Yosh contract up and go head to head with the dodgers
Hard cap, hard floor, and full revenue sharing.
Absolutely not at all surprised.
Booooooooooo we wanted him to go somewhere interesting
As a Giants fan, the only positive I can see is that the Dodgers will get torn to shreds if they don’t win more titles with him and Ohtani than the Giants even year BS. Also, they’re the new villains of the league. But I’d so much rather they were like the feckless Ned Colletti Dodgers of ten-plus years ago :/
Lol. Colletti did suck as GM. But you knew that, and that’s why you guys sent him to us!!!
I’m thankful that the McCourt days are in the rearview mirror
Amen
Mccheap
This is our good karma payback for having to endure the years of the McCourts. I say that as plural, because his wife was an idiot too.
Dodgers games will be in even more demand. Japans most followed team. Every world series they are in will be a ratings darling.
Giants will be begging reporters to keep reporting how they were right there in getting such and such free agent.
I need to find a new favorite sport.
There’s always pickleball.
Disc golf is pretty neat
I hear the WNBA needs some more fans & your softness will fit in perfectly.
@wiseguy
You jest, but WNBA has its own Immaculate Grid, so the transition would be rather smooth.
Oh fair point.
Rugby is a real man’s sport.
Jusr watch the NFL, its way better than MLB. Actually has competitive balance, complete foreign concept w the MLB
MLB has 16 title winners since 2000. NFL has 13. Lol clueless take dude. NFL has major issues because the only position that matters is QB
But MLB has a problem in that 15 of the last 16 WS have been won by top 8 payroll teams.
Ok? At least there isn’t a major competitive financial edge in football. If you break down the stats, 80% of world series appearances have been by the top 10 spending big markets. Every city is equql in NFL financialy. NFL is just able to keep dynasties better than MLB.
Cubbies stole your manager and a local boy that gotta hurt
Synchronized Swimming
Good luck w that. The heart wants what the heart wants
All that just to lose the NLDS every year.
The Diamondbacks are loading up, haha
3 NL pennants in 6 years neon sort of destroys your “every year” nonsense
We run the MLB!!!!! 3 peat on deck!
USA! USA! USA!
If you don’t you’ll be the laughing stock of the league, as you already are for getting bounced early last year
Golfing is golfing, regardless of when it happens. Nobody had more expectations than the Dodgers last year, and they blew it. The Dodgers are wasting what has been a great opportunity.. Dave Roberts is about as bad a manager as he was a player.
Both the WS teams and 3 of the 4 CS teams were wild cards this year. Wild cards have been made stronger than ever, there isn’t a lot of shame in losing to one anymore. Believe it or not I do enjoy watching the Dodgers win every day from April to September regardless of what happens in October.
Good!!! Now go get Gumby and Clevinger!
Cole, Gumby, Rodon, Clevinger and Nestor is deeper and probably still cheaper.
I worry they will overpay for Gumby and be saddled with another Boras mistake. That said, I like Gumby and think he would be a good add to the rotation again.
Seems like everyone is getting grossly overpaid right now. At least we know who he is and that he can play in the Bronx.
Even better would be to sign Gumby AND trade for Burnes!
Cole, Burnes, Gumby, Rodon and Nestor has the potential to be disgusting
Not everyone. Martin Perez was a bargain.
You get what you pay for
He had a 4.45 era and didn’t miss many bats.
Should have never left. Especially for the “can’t miss CF” who was traded elsewhere. The Yankees don’t deserve him.
I really want Burnes or Cease truthfully along with Gumby. Cease will be cheaper then Burnes. I would love to sign a healthy Montas if that’s possible? Lol. Hader or Hicks are needed as well.
Hey, Montas as a healthy 5th guy would be amazing. I really like Cease and think Blake could help him a great deal. He really fits well into the type of pitcher Blake unlocks well.
But, yeah, you give me a Montas, Gumby, Cease offseason with a side of Soto and I’m a happy camper.
I don’t think they’d grab all 3…..but I can see one of Burnes/Cease and one of Montas, Clevinger or swinging for Monty too.
Agreed YanksPhan. I don’t believe they will either. But, until it doesn’t happen I can dream……..
The Dodgers are the new Yankees, buy every free agent, first round exit
Mostly False with Five NLCS appearances in the last Eight Years… Three World Series Appearances and a World Championship. Other than that, the Dodgers get bounced in the first round.
Still doesn’t justify the payroll. They can’t get past bottom feeders in their own division
Payroll isnt that high, they can defer until everyone is retired!
Zero rings since the 80s
2020 counts. They were the best team that year.