The Padres have long been expected to pare down payroll significantly this offseason, with early signals indicating a target payroll of no more than $200MM for the 2024 season as they look to get back into compliance with the league’s debt service rules. The Athletic’s Dennis Lin reports that the club may plan to cut payroll even more drastically, suggesting that the club’s final payroll next season could come in “more than a little lower” than that aforementioned $200MM figure as club officials reportedly “prefer” to stay under the luxury tax threshold in 2024. Importantly, Lin notes that the club would be willing to go “slightly” over the luxury tax if the right opportunity were to present itself later this winter, though it’s unclear what sort of opportunity would be necessary to convince San Diego to push their payroll over the threshold.
While RosterResource projects the Padres for a payroll of just over $152MM as things stand, it projects a significantly larger $205MM payroll for luxury tax purposes. That would leave the club with just under $32MM of budget space remaining for luxury tax purposes if they intend to remain below the first luxury tax threshold, which will sit at $237MM in 2024. That roughly $30MM of wiggle room for luxury tax purposes tracks with Lin’s suggestion that a payroll of around $180MM could allow the Padres to duck below the threshold next year.
Lin goes on to report that the club’s pursuit of outfielder Jung Hoo Lee, who signed with the Giants earlier this week on a six-year, $113MM deal, was impacted by the club’s budget constraints. While Lin notes that San Diego’s offer to Lee was reportedly considered “competitive” but nonetheless was not especially close to the figure offered by San Francisco. Lee’s contract with the Giants sports an average annual value of roughly $18.8MM, meaning landing the outfielder would have required more the remaining space the Padres have available to them below the luxury tax threshold.
As Lin notes, the Padres themselves demonstrated as recently as last offseason that there are ways to creatively structure a deal to deflate its AAV. Right-handers Michael Wacha and Nick Martinez, for example, commanded salaries of $7.5MM and $10MM respectively in 2023 despite carrying AAVs of just $6.5MM and $8.7MM for luxury tax purposes thanks to the complex structures of their contracts. It’s possible that similar deals could allow the Padres additional room to maneuver this offseason as they look to rebuild their starting outfield after shipping Juan Soto and Trent Grisham to New York as well as a pitching staff that lost Wacha, Martinez, Seth Lugo, Blake Snell, and Josh Hader to free agency last month.
It’s possible some of the club’s holes can be filled internally, with Lin noting that the Padres see the likes of Jackson Merrill, Jakob Marsee and Robby Snelling, among others, as prospects who could impact the big league club in 2024. Even in San Diego manages to successfully embrace a youth movement, however, it’s hard to imagine the club being able to fill two outfield spots, one rotation spot, and restock the bullpen without making several external additions.
With so many holes on the roster and relatively little wiggle room in the club’s budget for 2024, Lin notes that infielders Jake Cronenworth and Ha-Seong Kim are both potential trade candidates for the Padres. Kim would surely be an attractive trade candidate if available on the heels of a strong season that saw him slash .260/.351/.398 while playing superb defense all around the infield, and a deal would allow the Padres to shed his $8MM salary in 2024 while potentially bringing back major league ready talent in return.
Cronenworth, on the other hand, would be far more difficult to deal, as MLBTR’s Anthony Franco explored earlier this week. The 29-year-old is coming off the worst season of his career in 2023 and is owed a whopping $80MM over the next seven seasons, making him a less-than-palatable trade target for the majority of clubs. While Cronenworth’s salary is just over $7MM for the 2024 campaign, his contract’s AAV of around $11.5MM counts as a more significant hit against the luxury tax. While Cronenworth is far from the only player locked up long-term the Padres could consider trying to move, others would like present even more significant obstacles.
Right-handers Yu Darvish and Joe Musgrove figure to anchor the club’s rotation next season, and dealing either veteran arm would be counterproductive for a club hoping to bolster its rotation depth. It’s a similar story for Robert Suarez in the bullpen. Meanwhile, the likes of Xander Bogaerts, Manny Machado, and Fernando Tatis Jr. are due hundreds of millions through at least the 2033 season, making them all far more complicated to move for fair value than Soto, who will be a free agent next season, was. Making a trade for any of the aforementioned names even more complicated is that each player is coming off a season that either saw them produce below their recent career levels, struggle with injury, or both. With plenty of holes to fill and few realistic options for shedding salary available, the Padres face a major uphill battle as they look to improve upon their 82-80 season in 2023 that saw them just miss out on playoff contention.
Padres currently waiting to see if their next payroll loan will get approved.
Dodgers payday loaned themselves
Maybe They will just sign another shortstop
It wasn’t a payroll loan
Penny pinching, cheapskates, fraudres
I feel so bad for Padres fans. Really wish they had gotten a WS or at least an NL championship.
Fans whinning about owners not spending like drunken sailors in 321…
deGrom…. I’m not sure why you think fans are making horse sounds-but it’s “whinnying”
*whining
I was just being facetious on a typo/not actually trying to correct your spelling
Charlie Sheen – “Winning”.
Nay.
Quit horsin’ around.
Here’s where all the naysayers and overvaluers on the Juan Soto trade say “We’ll just keep him then” right?
Will ’24 be the year of the Jackson rookies?
Or the year of Jackson Profile?
Not sure Bogaerts was necessary. Would’ve rather tried to retain Soto along with Tatis and perhaps move Machado if necessary.
We will be fine…
Here come all the Padres fans to claim the report is false lol.
I dint think people understand what the term “all in” means. It doesn’t mean you jack payroll up to never before seen levels and it just stays their forever.
Wow… just throwing ridiculous amounts of money around, is not the answer.
…who knew?
Well, it worked for the rangers. It’s a matter of chemistry and luck. Better to try though. I don’t see teams like the pirates doing any of this.
Yes, the World Series Champions do not regret how they spent their fans’ money.
The other 29 teams… not so much.
Better for the fans not the owners. Pretty sure the Pirates were more profitable than the Padres were in 2023. Again the owner is now dead so i don’t fault him for what he did but it wasn’t a great business decision.
Sports team ownership for some owners is boutique, it’s not their primary source of income, so naturally some are in it more for profit than others. We shouldn’t care too much who runs the best business, we’re just fans of baseball. It is cool though that Padre attendance went from about 25th in the league 10 years ago, to 3rd in MLB last year, behind Dodgers and Yankees.
It’s your right as a fan to want the team to spend money. The problems come with the entitlement. Like how the Padres raise payroll to astronomical levels and suddenly the fans think that’s the new normal. That’s kinda lame.
2nd at 40,390 per game. The Padres played “home” games in Mexico City and that attendance is not included in totals.
They also led baseball in number of sold out games and percentage of attendance to capacity.
No, they were 3rd behind Dodgers and Yankees (Ave 40,862).
As a Cardinal fan I can tell you those announced attendance numbers are total nonsense.
Entitlement from fans is lame. I can’t stand it. Cardinal fans do it too for sure. I really can’t stand it.
@Joel P
Attendance involves tickets sold, not how many showed up.
What does tickets sold mean? If the Cardinals sell 4000 tickets 30 minutes before the game to ticket brokers is that a legit sale?
Cardinals announced attendance numbers as 35k on many nights and it was maybe half that. I guarantee you half the crowd didn’t pay for tickets and simply not show up.
Those numbers are phony. They are designed, at least in the Cardinals case, to make it look like popularity isn’t declining when it is.
Dodgers – 47,371
Padres – 40,390
Yankees – 40,358
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If you can;t stand it, go away. We won’t mind one bit
If you went to a single Padres game, you knew it was real. It was standing room only at many games.
I was citing ESPN. I guess there are differing factors involved. But I care not if 2nd or 3rd, really, does it change the point I was making?
Joel are you an attendance denier conspiracist?
Is the Padres main accountant going to agree to stay with the team only if he is given veto power over future team moves like the aging ohtani (worst contract of all time) has with the dodgers?
Odd article. This news is at least two weeks old. Now let’s see what they do next.
I bet they spend about 30 million more to get close to the luxury tax line but not over it like the article suggests. Need a starter and 2 outfielders for sure. Pen help too I imagine.
The big question is will they trade some good prospects to increase their chances in 2024.
It would send mixed messages if they traded prospects, but Preller sees some he likes, I bet he’d go for it.
The Padres are cutting payroll but they aren’t rebuilding. King only has 2 years of control left they don’t trade for him if it’s a rebuild. And lord with the Machado and Bogaerts deals they kinda have to try to win now before those deals go south which they definitely will before they end.
Remember the 2020-2021 offseason when Preller traded for Darvish, Snell and Musgrove. Then 1 year later he traded for Soto.
Preller is not afraid to trade prospects and he has proven exceptionally good at restocking the farm system with exceptional players like Salas and Merrill.
They REALLY need a LH RP to replace the 4 that have just left.
A Chapman looked like he’s still got some fire in the furnace…maybe he and Cosgrove can fill that particular spot for ‘24.
Chapman is not the character that clubhouse needs
I actually think he’d serve as better for the team than Josh Hader did. One answers the bell for the team, while the other seemed to want to save his arm for FA (all the while making I guess what he assumed was chump change @ $14 mill a year.)
If you’re referring to Chapman’s past history of abuse…he’s seemed to do alright the past couple years and ultimately has helped two teams with a WS victories. Some ppl have trouble changing for the better I get it …ala Julio Urias…but others can change….as one mistake does not always define the person. As long as Chapman keeps his nose clean (which he has)…would it really be considered that detrimental to a team to add him?
Wonder what Chapman would cost?
Probably about the cost of what the Padres just trimmed in fat with the Carpenter trade to the Braves. I’d do it.
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Yes, we knew that the Padres had 30 million +/- to work with. This article makes it seem like we may be on a tighter budget than we previously thought.
But there isn’t a new source from Padre FO to verify, and the title of the article is that the padres would prefer to stay under the lux tax, meaning the have up to $52M to spend if they wish. So this is a huge nothing article, total non news. I doubt they will be maybe? They might like a deal and go over. Typically Preller doesn’t sign FAs before Jan 1, and most of his bigger offseason trades are later in Jan or Feb. we will see what happens.
This. 100%.
Hey Padres fans, I remember hearing from some of you that the Padres were definitely going to be drafting the #1 international amateur whenever that draft happens to be. How do you guys know the Padres will be picking first in that draft and that they will certainly be going after that one player? (Sorry don’t recall his name)
Generally, international signings involve unofficial agreements already made between player and team before the official signing period. Players and teams just have to wait for the official signing period when these kids are 16 and thus eligible to sign.
Brew889 hours ago
But there isn’t a new source from Padre FO to verify,
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Like I said at the time, I assumed Soto was being traded because Preller said he wasn’t trading him Same thing here. If the Padres had the cash and intent of busting the cap, I have to assume they would say so., It would be bad business to do otherwise.
@Joe. Get that, and this article states they prefer to stay below lux tax, So no real new information. But if they so choose they have about $52M to build around. I won’t believe anything till it actually happens (and that was my position leading up to the Soto trade). Seidler’s transparency and good faith to fans was something to behold but is in the past.
“because Preller said he wasn’t trading him ”
That was butchered almost beyond repair. “because Preller refused to deny the trade rumors”
Funny stuff going on here. Maybe wait until the season starts? Build a farm and don’t use it? There’s some very talented guys coming up. I think it’s time to put it to work on the field instead of trade capital.
Not Preller’s M.O. He and the recently deceased Padres owner were big believers that prospects are capital. To be traded as needed to get proven MLB talent.
Before the 2021 season he traded for Darvish, Snell, and Musgrove. During the 2022 season he traded for Soto, Bell, and Hader.
I wonder if Ken Rosenthal sticks his hand in Dennis Lin and works him like a puppet or if it’s more of a remote control thing.
Who cares. They got it right.
Got your last account banned so you had to create another.?
Yes. At least I’m not hiding behind another name Pads Fan ?
I am right here Fop, and there is a reason you got banned and I am right here under the same name since 2006.
@foppert2 Pads Fans muted me so he won’t see this but his accounts “Koamalu” and “YourDaddy” were banned previously. He also comments on here as “outinleftfield,” “BaseballisLife” and “websoulsurfer.” Do with that information what you want.
Pot calling the kettle black? I am not the one that gets banned.
Yes you are. Just on Koamalu and YourDaddy but not this account.
Got what right? All the article says is that they want to get below 200M but that they will also go over if it works for them.
Who are you? And you don’t know anything about me or Padre fans. Rosenthal puppet says they want to reduce budget to 200 or under. Then says lols just kidding they will blow past if if they want to. The Athletic is a joke.
What fact. Its a rumor since no one that actually works for the Padres has said anything of the sort.
First off that’s super creepy. Second Rosenthal and the Athletic have had an axe to grind with the Padres since they burned him on the Sherzer deal. Since then it’s hit piece after hit piece. I saw a reply to this post, something about you changing your name for being banned. I can see why.
Is this Ken? Look Ken I’m sorry what I said about your bow tie. It totally doesn’t make you look like you own a windowless van.
As if Ken would bother himself with you lot.
He is busy with Arson Judge of the Giants, Sherzer of the Padres, and Ohtani of the Jays. You seem like a sad fellow. Is yelling at ransoms on the internet your way of dealing with insecurities Ken?
Hahaha I hope you find the friends that you need or get the help you need. I see now that I have been enabling you Ken. You are begging for attention and I have been giving it to you. I would recommend getting a friend or a dog or something Ken. But for now I’m blocking you for your own good.
Of course you are.
Rosenthal is Lin’s boss, so Lin does what Rosenthal tells him to do.
What’s a hybrid between a moose and mosquito; a moosquito?.
signed ~ Kennis Linsenthal
Cronenworth is a good example of how the Padres put themselves in this predicament (as was Wil Myers and Eric Hosmer). They need to be more selective in who they dole out massive contracts to.
I’m not sure Cronenworth’s contract qualifies as massive in this era.
Not massive per se but unnecessary when the Padres still had at least 3 years of control.
Yes not massive, but a mistake, but not yet a massive mistake
Cronenworth was coming off 2 straight 4+ WAR seasons when he signed the extension that starts in 2024.
Based on those 2 seasons as the arbitration platform he was projected to make $4.5 million in 2023, $9 million in 2024, and more after that through 2025. The extension was said to be a club friendly deal at the time. He signed for $4.225 million in arbitration for 2023 and will make $7.3 million in 2024, $11.3 in 2025, and $12.3 million in each of the next 5 seasons
He had a bad 2023. His only bad season.
Calling it a bad contract before it even starts is putting the cart before the horse.
Lets wait and see how he does once the contract starts.
I like Cronenworth but he’s exactly the type of player you go year-to-year in arb with. Even with no extension the Padres controlled him through his age 31 season. Could have been age 32 if Preller had waited 6 days to call him up at the start of the 2020 season, but such is life.
Yeah, preller is bad at his job. At least ownership was willing to spend though
Explain why you think Preller is bad at his job.
The players he put together in 2023 were #1 in ERA, #4 in OAA and #5 in DRS, and #6 in OPS+. They did extremely well on pitching, defense and offense. That is their part of the job.
The farm system is back in the top 10 and he added another top 100 prospect to it in the Soto trade. Unless he trades some of those prospects, the farm system is likely to be top 3 or 4 when the season starts.
His trades for Darvish, Snell, Musgrove, Hader, Soto/Bell, and Cronenworth were very good trades for the team. The trades for Nola and for Clevinger were bad. So other than his first year as a GM, he has won most of his trades. Oh, and the trade for Tatis is one of the all time best trades.
Peter Seidler chose Melvin, so that is not on Preller. Green was during the rebuild, so its a wash. Tingler turned out bad, but was good enough to get the team to the playoffs in 2020. He seemed to wilt under the expectations of a WS in 2021 and it showed.
In the 2015-2016 offseason Padres majority partner at the time Ron Fowler, told fans that the team was going to rebuild with the goal of contending in 2020-2021 and beyond. We knew the team was going to suck for 3 or 4 years. They didn’t lie to us. The team made the playoffs in 2020 with the #4 seed in the NL, meaning they would have made it in any season there was a WC.
So please, tell me why you think he is bad at his job.
Uhhhh…point of his job is to win. None of that garbage you just listed matters. This dude can’t even make the playoffs. He is far and away one of the worst execs in the game. He has spent nearly a billion dollars in losing seasons. That is unheard of…ever. He is historically bad. You’re either related to Preller or you are Preller because defending him is borderline insane.
@Chemo. I’m certainly not a fan of Preller, I think he lacks the important qualities of strategic planning. But you’re not correct, the Pads have made the playoffs 2 of the last 4 seasons. Winning a WS isn’t easy and also the Mets, Yanks, Cards didn’t make the playoffs this past season. The Giants spiraled. Seems like Preller gets trashed more than GMs of other big payroll teams.
Not to mention he’s sleazy. He has been caught on 2 occasions I believe doing underhanded things. Pomeranz to Boston is the main one I recall.
Preller took the fall for the guy that got fired for that BS, Padres team president Mike Dee. Then after Dee was fired and Preller returned from his month long suspension, Preller was given all of Dee’s baseball operations duties and title of President of Baseball Operations.
@Brew88 but im not talking winning as in titles. Im talking just winning records during regular seasons. The guy hasn’t even been able to do that despite the resources. And you’re only looking at the last 4 years. You should look at his entire time there. He has had multiple attempts at burning resources beyond the last four years and it’s mostly been in seasons where they have had losing records.
without myers and hosmer preller never signs machado…
The narrative that will just never go away.
Myers and Hosmer not being there would be two reasons for Manny to not sign with the Padres.
They gave him 300 million reasons TO sign with them.
Of course, if Myers and Hosmer had never signed with the Padres, Manny wouldn’t know they never signed with the Padres and therefore wouldn’t have known he had two reasons to not sign with the Padres. It’s an unfalsifiable narrative.
Absolutely no evidence of that being the case. In fact, there is evidence of that not being the case as no Myers or Hosmer and the Padres have more money left over to pay Manny with. Even in a world where Manny wants $350m to sign with the Padres if they don’t have Myers or Hosmer instead of just $300m, Preller still would have been better off not signing those 2 dudes and then just paying Manny what he wanted.
Bring back Pete Seidler NOW.
Yep…..just bring him back…….
Insert creepy Disney CGI here.
Dr. Frankenstein, please pick up the red courtesy ‘phone. Dr. Frankenstein…
Mr Miyagi says wax on wax off. He also says team who spends the most don’t always win it all.
That would be the Dodgers who since 2012 have outspent the 2nd highest spending team by more than $400 million and the Padres by $1.1 billion.
Well, when you don’t have a single home grown talent on your roster, this sort of happens. I guess you could count Tatis but the point still stands.
You can’t try to grab everyone that is being signed or traded and have it last.
X signing was dumb. Reupping Machado was also dumb. There is a long list of dumb honestly.
They have front row seats to all the amateur talent in SoCal. They should be getting 1st dibs on all the home grown talent there is!
Homegrowns Campusano, Wilson, Batten, Knehr all on roster
Also, Cosgrove and Rosario but sad to say that only Campusano is a projected starter if he can stay healthy.
If you’re not including pitchers at all, then Campy is the only position starter who is homegrown, But I was responding to commenter who said they didn’t have a single homegrown on the roster. They have 6 (thanks for Cosgrove and Rosario), and Marsee, Merrill, Iriarte and Snelling have a good chance of being rostered this year bringing the number up to 10. Which would be a nice improvement over recent years.
Yes, I was referring to home grown position players and rotation pitchers. Definitely an improvement! Looking forward to seeing more! I might check out a few of them in AA since I live in the San Antonio area.
Tatis never played a game in another system, so in that regard he is home grown.
To add to your point…If he even played just a couple weeks in the White Sox rookie league…there’s a good chance they might’ve not made him available to another team because of all the loud tools he would’ve shown.
Homegrowns Campusano, Wilson, Batten, Knehr all on roster
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That could be part of the issue. That’s maybe about 6% of the ABs and IPs. There is something to be said about the camaraderie created when players have played together in the minors.
I meant starters. Should have said it better.
Not a single home grown player started for them in their playoff run year. That isn’t sustainable and now it has caught up with them.
Soto was repo’ed like the guy who buys a giant Mercedes and can’t afford it a few months later.
How many did the Dodgers have last season? 2. Outman and Smith.
How many did the Rangers have?
Soto was traded for 4 MLB players and a top 100 prospect after he turned down a huge extension offer. Far from a repo.
But hey, keep on trying to be a troll.
The X signing was a hedge against Juan Soto refusing to sign an extension, which turned out to be prescient. X produced 4.4 WAR in a down year. It’s way too soon to give up on that contract.
Manny was coming off a world-beater year and it made all the sense in the world to prevent him from testing free agency. He still played hurt until he could not play anymore. It’s way too soon to give up on that contract.
The Cronenworth extension was premature. That one I have to give the critics on. I think Preller and Seidler’s desire to keep players in San Diego happy can get the best of them at times. Preller famously has never taken a single player to arbitration.
What makes the Cronenworth extension seem really stupid is that they extended him then added and retained players to force him down the defensive spectrum. So it was early, but then they also made him superfolous.
I don’t get the X hate from so many, especially some Padre fans I bump into around town. Maybe a case of elevated expectations, or maybe he takes the heat on the team’s underperformance. But 4.4 WAR for a SS playing injured about 65% of the season can also be viewed as over-achieving for the AAV cost.. He’s the Pad’s best contact hitter by far, and they need him..
The Manny extension is the worst contract they gave out in the last 18 months.
Padres coming into 2024 with a $200M budget and at the tax threshold of $237M is an amazing testament to the man, Peter Seidler. Multiple superstar players combined with up and coming talent is the recipe to win, not paying a bunch of middling free agents 7 figure salaries.
Avila and Waldron showed something last year and have absolutely earned a spot on this team over overpaid guys like Lugo, Martinez, and Wacha. Young guys like Marsee, Azocar, and Merrill can outperform Carpenter, Cruz, and Grisham.
With $30+M to add, hopefully we find a couple hungry guys ready to compete with our core.
Hey everyone, the Padres owner died recently and they are experiencing bad times economically! They have been big spenders in recent years while signing top talent! Just couldn’t get them to mesh as a team to win it all! So I say give them a break! Most all Professional Sports Franchises go through some bad times, so if you’re a Padres fan, have all the hope that they can get it turned around soon!
Also, the collapses of TV/Radio Networks has a lot of teams in limbo concerning lost revenues from these entities! MLB-TV has been picking up the slack to ensure games are still being broadcast, so chill out people and be thankful we all have teams to root for! Thanks
How many passes is AJ Preller going to get? Now they are in this hole that he created due to his lack of foresight.
This has to be his lost shot I would think
Last shot
Gotta be the last.
Peter Seidler showed an incredible loyalty that called to question their relationship on local forums…
The new controllers will be about the bottom line, not winning. Think of it as an equity partners takeover.
Preller has nude photos of somebody. He just has to. I’m shocked someone this bad could still have a job.
Knowing what we know now, I’d be really curious how much of this is Preller’s fault and how much was ownership. I’m not trying to say Preller is a great GM or that none of it is his fault, I’m just genuinely curious how much he was pushed to make some of the moves that he made,
1984 – this. It’s pretty clear Seidler knew he didn’t have long left and Preller executed an all in strategy. The padres had the talent last year, it just didn’t come together.
Normally I might buy this logic, but the guy has been doing this all or nothing thing since I was in diapers. Not a recent thing since he’s been there.
Look at the fans here commenting. Yankees fans. Red Sox fans. Braves fans. Rangers fans.
You would think it’s an 8 team league.
Baseball isn’t in good shape long term.
Bc some fans of other teams aren’t commenting in this cesspool? For new members, it would take half a day to mute people to make the comment sections readable. I don’t blame them for staying away. Some would argue that baseball hasn’t been in good shape since Nolan Ryan signed the first $1MM contract in 1980.
I don’t think these fans exist is my point. Good gosh where were all the Padres fans 5 years ago? It’s just front runners here.
Joel, you’re getting a little weird or maybe I’m not understanding. Padre fan base is energized, 3rd highest attendance in MLB, is that such a bad thing? Tatis, Seidler, Chargers leaving town, have made it fun. Call it front running, whatever, but expect Padre fans to be present in a thread about the Padres, especially offseason with a recent history of active trading. I’ve been viewing Mlbtr for a very long time with 3 teams I follow closest, maybe longer than you’ve followed the Cards. There are infinitely more Padre articles now than there used to be.
What do you mean energized? Like you didn’t care about baseball but now that the team is spending tons of money you do? That’s weird.
Its not just Padres fans….m
Joel, You weren’t here 5 years ago. How would you know?
I have been on this board since 2006 and a season ticket holder for the Padres since the mid 1980s. Years before you were born.
I hate to be that guy, but there is a realistic chance that Musgrove doesn’t bounceback from the capsular surgery; that Yu Darvish is beyond his ‘sell-by date’ at his advanced age; that Machado doesn’t bounceback into form from his various surgeries & ailments; that Boegarts is on the declining side of his career with last season being the highpoint as a Padre. But HEY ! That still leaves you guys with phenom Nando Tatis, who is a stud (as long as he doesn’t run face first into the centerfield wall at 22mph full sprint.)
@Ignorant. Plausible, let’s hope not!
Musgrove didn’t have a tear in the shoulder capsule or surgery and Preller said that he could have taken the mound had the Padres made the playoffs.
Darvish might be done, but I doubt it. He was injured in 2021 and pushed through it. He put up a 3.10 ERA in 194 innings at age 35 after everyone said he was done. Last season he was ready to take the mound if the Padres made the playoffs, but was shut down instead. He may not put up a 3.10 ERA in 2024, but all the Padres really need from him is a 4.00 or lower ERA and 160-180 IP.
Machado had a 115 OPS= and hit 30 HR. The issue he had kept him from throwing and extending on pitches on the outside half. He may not play 3B to start the season because of throwing, but he will be fine.
Bogaerts had a 4.4 WAR season and hit .321/.364/.493/.857 in the 2nd half after having a cortisone shot in his wrist in June. No problem at all there. Projections have him at 5+ WAR and .290/.360/.455/.814 with the bat. Both in line with his career averages.
The last time Lin said this was in the 2020-2021 offseason. The Padres went out and traded for Darvish, Caratini, Musgrove, and Snell, He also signed Kim and Melancon that offseason.
So take anything he says with a huge grain of salt.
The Padres ownership and FO have said nothing about their plans and it’s not like saying something would affect revenue at this point. Season tickets are sold out. Single game tickets for all premium games sold out during the Holiday Promotion from Nov 20h to Dec 4th. Their local TV money is locked in for next season with the exception of the MLB.tv packages they are allowed to sell locally. As Boras said at the Winter Meetings, the Padres have no financial constraints.
Is that the same Boras that said he had spoken to the Padres and Soto was going to be in their 2024 line up ?
websoulsurfer is Pads Fans!
Yet 28 of the top 40 free agents ranked by FG remains unsigned. The offseason is still in its early stages. Once YY and Snell are off the board, I’d expect the Padres to be involved.
it’s time for preller to stop trading away the farm, let’s bank on great scouting and coaches through the entire org!
It’s a little too late for this.
So you would not want him to get players like Musgrove, Darvish, Snell, Hader, and Soto in trade?
You would rather take a chance that prospects will turn into top MLB players instead? Even though the odds are that less than 20% of top 100 prospects ever become a MLB average player?
I would rather win.
They did that in 2022 after making those trades. Did you miss the NLCS?
That’s not winning. Even if it was…that’s out of how many seasons and billions of dollars?
Oh, the mighty have fallen.
Bogearts deal was pure stupidity which should cost Preller his job. He will be an albatross of a contract when skills decline in 2 years. Money that could have gone to Soto.
It’s been reported through local media that Siedler was the one that pushed the contract for Bogaerts and the Machado extension.
4.4 WAR is somehow bad? Putting up a season that had Bogaerts ranking 6th best among SS should cost Preller his job? Or was it paying him just $25.45 million AAV that should cost Preller his job?
They could have saved that money for Soto and still had him leave in free agency, because there is simply no way Boras was ever having Soto sign a contract extension without testing free agency. And it’s looking like $600 million might be the price tag for Soto in free agency.
Now if you want to argue they should never have traded for 2 1/3 seasons of Soto knowing there was little to no shot of keeping him around longer, that’s a valid argument. But that’s what “going for it” means. It just didn’t pan out.
I guess you missed the part about the dying owner who knew he didn’t have long left.
The entire article is a repeat of the news over the past few weeks. But if it had to be written ( since there’s not enough other baseball news to report) it could have been just this:
“padres prefer to stay under the luxury tax threshold”.
Everything else in the article is fluff on fluff, and none of it is new, news, or newsworthy.
Well they sure went for it. Not a lot of teams on there financial level do what they did. Good for them. They’ll always have that.
That being said, they are doing the right thing by the franchise by looking at the numbers moving forward. So not to go bankrupt.
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Trade one year of Kim for a one year of a quality starter or many years of a back-end starter. Sign a second back end starter. Move Crony back to 2B. Sucks to trade Kim right before game in Korea, but it is the best card to play, since no one is taking contract of Bogey, Crony or Machado and foolish to sell low on Tatis, Mushgrove and Darvish. Sell Kim while at high.
Yep. Sucks, but it’s the best move we have on this chessboard.
I’d argue Kim has enough value to bring back good mlb-ready outfield prospects. In terms of WAR he was worth more than Soto last year, at a fraction of the price.
Machado will not be able to play 3B to start the season, so makes no sense to trade Kim.
Bogaerts 3B, Merrill SS, Cronenworth 2B, New Guy 1B. Rhys Hoskins is available and will be looking for a “prove it” contract.
When Machado comes back, you can so Machado 3B, Bogaerts SS, Cronenworth 2B, “Hoskins” or whomever 1B, and Merrill either gets sent down or gets the utility role. Only downside is whether or not they think making Merrill a starter then un-making him one will hinder his development.
Merrill is 20 and as mature as his game is I’m not sure he’s ready to be their opening day SS. Trading Kim only makes sense if the team plans to fold on 2024 to peak in 2025-2026, it’s not in Preller’s DNA to do that, combined with fact he. Ay not keep his job if Pads don’t get to playoffs in 2024.
Would love to see what Batten can do with more at-bats as well. No way Kim resigns here with Boras as his agent anyways. Also, as you pointed out, a decent first baseman is easier to get than a decent OF, and Kim can potentially help us land some good OF prospects.
Boras isn’t Kim’s agent.
I’m a huge Kim fan but it’s probalby the right move. But wished they signed him instead of crone or xander
Agreed.
Why not tear as much of it down as you can? This group has underwhelmed. Reset the tax, sell off as much of the bad investments you can and try again. Not a padres fan, but support it. Wouldn’t mind seeing Kim playing ss on my team…
They were in the NLCS last year. People have the memory of a goldfish.
EN
“They were in the NLCS last year. People have the memory of a goldfish.”
The thing about humans is that it is easier for us to perceive changes than for us to look at something in a vacuum.
Padres are getting worse = they suck
Padres (a few years ago) add Kemp et al and everyone thinks they are the best team in baseball.
This is still a solid team, if they fill in a few pieces and get some better health and luck, they could definitely make the playoffs.
Then, who knows what happens
I think kemp was like a decade ago at this point.
Joke of a franchise, back to Padresing. 10 years of a failed GM, failure after failure.
And I “prefer” to keep my income under $10,000,000 this year.
They did this backwards. I’ve sat in these meetings. You either have a competent GM or you can get what you want.
Should have wedged every bad contract in with Soto and asked for young prospects in return. Would have gotten rid of your financial hardship and still have that lefty reliever. Soto Cronenworth Carpenter Grisham for Perriera Thorpe Brito Higgy Schmidt would have been fine. And you would move on. Instead you burped up that lefty pitcher to Atlanta and you are still struggling with Cronenworth.
If Anaheim was smart,they would do the same with Trout. That club will not be better than Tex Houston Seattle for 5 years. And forget the wild cards. Trout Rendon and Odell out and as much as you can get coming back.
These clubs will never learn.
Soto Cronenworth Carpenter Grisham for
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That would’ve gotten you nothing.
Soto cost $33M, Cro is at least $25M underwater, Carp’ s underwater by $3-4M. The NYY weren’t going to pay $60M for one year of Soto and give up prospects.
We will be fine this year under “The Big 3 Arms.” (Joey Musgrove/Yu Darvish/Mikey King).
I think it would be easier for baseball if the Seidlers just sold the team to the Music City Baseball, LLC. Nobody wants a professional team in that city (3 basketball teams and a football team to boot left the city in less than 50 years) and it would be easier for the dodgers, angels, diamondbacks, giants, and athletics to get more fans. Right now is the best time to let someone with real experience lead the team rather than ownership that should take care of family first. I’m sorry for their loss, but it isn’t the time for them to think of superfluous dealings. The Tennessee market is larger than 1/2 the san diego market so it is a win for baseball and now is the right time. Manfred should force the sale now and let major league baseball come to Nashville.
Your logic is impeccable
Weren’t the Padres second in MLB in attendance? That’s generally a good idea of fan interest.
it would never happen.
The Padres are a very successful franchise.
Lots of billionaires in California if they ever want to sell the team to local based ownership.
Padres = Last place
Kcd
“Padres = Last place”
Wanna bet?
yes
Nah, the Rockies are still trashier.
It’s crazy just how much “fans” are overreacting to the Padres need to trim payroll. They still have a solid team and a really imposing middle of the line up. The top part of the line up of:
Kim
Tatis
Machado
Bogaerts
Is as good as any in the league (as much as I want my pipe dream trade for Tatis to happen) and Camp looked really good last year as well. It’s not like all is lost in San Diego
All is not lost but I think most people are worried about expecting improvement (actually making the playoffs) from a team losing 3 top tier all star players.
Ha-Seong Kim to the Red Sox please.
So. Many. Typos. They need a couple seventh graders on payroll as editors.
No problem. Just defer the payments until later and the league will let you pretend that they’re less.
Imagine Machado or Tatis taking less now to make the team better. Pretty sure Machado was already on a ~$300M contract before wanting a new one and the Padres were dumb enough to do it. These guys are more concerned about their bat flips.
Imagine the Dodgers paying Ohtani what he was worth for 10 years instead of trying to dodge the tax like the Padres did with Machado?
Unfortunately the league only favors that for teams like the Tax Dodgers:)
Machado to the Mets for Baty, Marte and a prospect with a lot of help with their $$ situation lol, this will give the power bat in front or behind Alonso.
Sign Montgomery and if the Mets lose out on Yamamoto, than make a trade with Cleveland for Bieber and Clase: McNeil, Vientos, Ramirez and Jackson , helps the Mets in starting and bullpen. Mets can put Acuna at 2b and Jett Williams in CF moving Nimmo to LF and Gilbert/Stewart in RF
Is someone is willing to take on that whole machado contract they should jump at it (but highly unlikely), Xander 3B, Kim SS Crone 2B problems solved.
Manny has a full NTC and has said he would prefer to spend the rest of his career in San Diego.
Is it actually true that the reason they spent wildly was because the GM knew he didn’t have much time left with his cancer diagnosis?
We only know that eventually all owners die
Brew – Not the Braves owner.
True!
Is it actually true
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Unless he was in a coma t the trade deadline, then it doesn’t make much sense. I already found fault with them not going all-in at the trade deadline. If they know he was terminal, but still cognisant, then there was no reason not to trade for more help.
Very likely. Peter didn’t care about signing these 10+ year contracts because he probably knew he wouldn’t be around to see the end of it as morbid as that is. It is pretty well known that Peter was very involved with the manny contract. I think after signing Xander Preller was planning on Manny leaving but Peter stepped in and caused this confusing logjam.
Quite the opposite. He signed the 10 year contracts because he wanted to build longterm and pass it off to his family.
What logjam?
Snakes spent $119M and played in the last game of the season. Payroll isn’t the problem with the Padres. We all know who the problem is.
Yes we do and he is gone. Melvin will be the problem for the Giants next season.
Might as well just trade Musgrove while they are at it. Padres should be pretty bad in 2024 with or without him. Probably get some nice prospects back.
Maybe these suddenly loud mouthed SD fans will finally pipe down for awhile. Back to scraping fecal matter off the bottom of the NL West. Whiny Machado back on a basement team where he belongs! Dude had his shot to make a good impression in LA. Nah bro, lol.
They’d clean house but nobody will clean up they’re bad decisions.
Lol, a couple of weeks ago it was criminal to say Padres needed to reduce payroll (according to a few adament Padres fanatics).
I guess San Diego Tribune and the Athetic have a better read of whats going on with the team, than they do.
That was before the owner died.
Your timeline doesnt line up:
1) Articles were written in Sept/Oct by Athletic/SD Tribune about Pads money woes
2) Owner died in November
3) Pads fans get belligerent in December posts
Weird flex bro. Do you have any evidence to support your “belligerent” assessment.
“Money woes” was unrelated and had to do with diamond collapsing. You’re conflating different topics.
What is the link to the Padres GO FUND ME Account ??
tickets-center.com/search/petco-park-tickets
mlb.com/padres/tickets/season-tickets/waitlist
The Padres had a holiday promotion and made single game tickets available from Nov. 20 to Dec 4th and sold out all premium and weekend games for the year. When the promotion ended there were no single game tickets available until the Reds come to town in late-April. There might still be a handful for the Tuesday and Wednesday games against the Rockies 2 weeks later. Pretty sure there were some available for the mid-week A’s series in mid-June, but after that the next games with tickets available is in mid-August when the Pirates come to town mid-week.
I think you get the point. About 90% of all tickets for 2024 are sold out and its December. No Go Fund Me needed.
If that’s their preference, then that’s what will happen.
Seriously, the balancing act here is keeping the core of a team so attendance and revenue remains high while bringing the payroll back in line. It can be done.
All this article says is the padres may spend under the tax or they may not.
Literally nothing new here.
Honestly, don’t know how this will turn out. I cant claim.to have any information as to a plan going forth. Any ideas are are just speculation and conjecture. I do sincerely apologize for the overreaction. I support the team and want the best for the organization. I can’t say enough how I hope to one day witness a WS parade for the city of San Diego.Go Padres!
As I suspected, Padres may cut payroll in ’24.
The Padres can still be very competitive for the playoffs and World Series with a lower payroll..
JUST SPEND SMARTER!
The Diamondbacks made the World Series with a 143M payroll!
Aggressively develop and promote the valuable talent currently in the system.
SS Jackson Merrill should be playing SS or LF in ’24
He is raking it in AA.
Many major leaguers just skip AAA.
LHSP Robbie Snelling looks like a lock for the Padres rotation.
Try AA CF Jacob Marsee in CF (nothing to lose, might be a “break out player”).
Kim could be traded for OF and pitching help (young cost controlled players).
If they Padres should that they are very hungry and want to contend for the Division and the playoffs, then, spending for trades and mid level free agents could increase in ’24.
The Padres will be better off in the short and long term by balancing great young talent with their star veterans and keeping that pipeline to the majors and promotions going every year.
Phenom, young catcher Ethan Salas could be ready for the majors by
The All Star break and is only 17-18 years old. He will be 18 years old in June
and is playing like a major leaguer already in AA and most of his skills are rated very high “60” or above.
Promote Salas after the All Star Break, move Campusano to 1B or OF for his big bat.
And, many of the Padres problems will work themselves out!.
Do it right and the Padres could be the surprise contending team of ’24!
Harrison Bader could be a short term, inexpensive free agent option for CF unless the Padres move Tatis Jr there or SS phenom Jackson Merrill.
Snelling, Marese and Salas barely had a cup of coffee AA, banking on them to be major contributors this year would be worst case scenario. Each of those guys probably needs at least another year in the minors.
The 2026 San Diego Padres starting lineup:
Jake Cronenworth 1B
Xander Bogarts SS
Fernando Tatis RF
Manny Machado 3B
Joe Schmo CF
John Doe 2B
Who Cares DH
Beats Me C
League Min LF
Padres Current Lineup Subject to Major Revisions
1) H Bader CF (or trade of Kim for new guy)
2) Xander SS/2B/LF
3) Machado 3B
4) Tatis Jr RF/CF
5) Campusano C/1B
6) Crone’wth 1B/DH/2B
7) Rosario 2B (Trade or FA)
8) Jacob Marsee (CF) (or trade/ FA)
9)Jackson Merrill SS/LF
If the pitching plays like they can, then the Padres should interesting.
Expect some holes to be filled between now and the end of Spring Training ’24.
The Padres greatly underperformed in 2023. Their run differential alone had them at 92 wins. Losses in one-run games and extra innings were statistically fluky. Run the same team back out there in 2024 and they win 90-95 games. Main issue is they won’t be running the same team out there, losing key pieces like Soto and Snell. Nevertheless, you don’t have to squint too hard to see a competitive team, especially is King is as good as he looked as a starter, some bounce back seasons from players like Croneworrh, etc. I’ll wait until they finish making all their moves, but I see a team that will be in the chase for a WC.
Well if Snell wasn’t out there throwing 5 innings a game, maybe there would’ve been a little less stress on that bullpen. As Cy Young as he was, getting pulled early doesn’t help the team.
Harrison Bader is not a Padre unless I missed the signing. Machado will be DH to start the season, so Kim will play 3B. Bogaerts will be the SS. 7-8-9 are obviously wrong. Azocar will play CF and Marcano in LF if they don’t pick up anyone else .
funny thing is i had the pads winning the past 3 WS. They had the teams to do it. Cant blame owners when they put the people on the field that were more than capable of winning. Injuries happen but personally i think they had to many egos in the club house. Just bc you are great players doesnt mean you can play together. Roster up and down, i would put against anyone. It didnt work so time to move on and try something else.
Over 400 posts regarding a rehash of information that had already been reported. The article in the AThletic is peppered with maybes and mights and prefers.
No one really knows what the Padres are going to do in terms of payroll and their interim control person Kutsenda is not talking. We do know some basic things. The owner died. They have over $100 million in salary hey have allowed to walk or that has been traded away this offseason. They took out a loan that was not for payroll. The Padres are a revenue sharing payor so in top half of revenue in the league and that amount is between $430 and $450 million. They made more TV revenue in 2023 than they would have from DSG. They have 8 spots open in their 40 man roster and few players on the farm ready to fill those spots. Those are the things I can verify. Everything else is opinion and hearsay with no legitimate source.
I miss anything Padres fans? Brew? Longtime? PadsFans? Jobu?
Wouldn’t it be funny if Red Sox reacquire Bogaerts via a trade? I know, not likely to happen, but one can think