The Mariners have interest in first baseman Rhys Hoskins, according to a report from MLB Network’s Jon Morosi. Hoskins is considered unlikely to return to his longtime club in Philadelphia after the Phillies shifted Bryce Harper to first base full time earlier this offseason.
Hoskins, 31 in March, missed the entire 2023 season due to a torn ACL but was one of the league’s premiere power hitters since his first full-season as a major leaguer back in 2018. Over that time, Hoskins’s 130 homers tied with slugger J.D. Martinez for 15th among all MLB hitters while his isolated slugging ranks 24th, just below the likes of Giancarlo Stanton and Matt Olson while clocking in just ahead of players like Ronald Acuna Jr. and Juan Soto.
That sort of prodigious power production would surely help the Mariners, particularly after the club saw Teoscar Hernandez depart for free agency while parting ways with Eugenio Suarez, Jarred Kelenic, and Mike Ford. Those departures have left Seattle in position to improve their contact rate relative to last season, but short on power. The four aforementioned players combined for 75 of the club’s 210 home runs last season, leaving Julio Rodriguez and Cal Raleigh as the lineup’s only reliable sources of power. Hoskins could improve the club’s power potential while also offering a palatable career strikeout rate of 23.9% that wouldn’t conflict with their goal of a more contact-oriented offense in 2024.
That said, the fit between the Mariners and Hoskins isn’t perfect, as the club currently has Ty France as their everyday first baseman. France was one of the Mariners’ better contact hitters in 2023 as he struck out at a clip of just 17.6%, but the 29-year-old’s 104 wRC+ indicates that his overall production left something to be desired, particularly given his offense-first position of first base. If Hoskins were head up north to Seattle, it’s possible that France, who has logged occasional time at second and third base throughout his career, could pitch in all around the infield while also spelling Hoskins at first base, allowing him to ease back into an everyday role with DH starts after his lengthy absence due to injury. Of course, it’s also worth noting that the club fielded trade offers on France in the run-up to the trade deadline last summer, though it’s unclear if any such conversations have occurred this winter.
Hoskins isn’t the only power hitter the Mariners have been attached to in recent weeks, as free agent sluggers Jorge Soler and Martinez have both been rumored as potential targets for Seattle as well. Martinez is a somewhat questionable fit for a team looking to prioritize contact, as he posted a strikeout rate north of 30% in 2023, but Soler could prove to be an even better fit for Seattle’s needs than Hoskins given their dearth of outfield depth. Hoskins also has more suitors beyond Seattle, as he’s been connected to the Nationals in recent weeks while also reportedly discussing multiple potential contract frameworks with the Cubs.
lol
I guess Ty France isn’t quite cutting it at the power position.
Ty France playing 3B now?
I mean Ty France is a 3rd baseman playing first
Ty France was 4th percentile in arm strength last season. Don’t know if I would want that on the left side of an infield.
Ty is a poor 3rd baseman playing a mediocre 1st base. I’m not sure Hoskins is healthy enough to play 1st instead of DH though. Ty should not be moved up the defensive spectrum. He needs to focus on hitting or he’s probably getting salary dumped.
France a surprisingly good 1B in the field. But no, at this point, he can’t play anywhere else. If they pick up Hoskins, it’s as a DH/1B share. But as we all know, they’re not really interested in signing Rhys Hopkins. Just another leverage attempt by his agent.
All of you who are trying to imagine Ty France at the hot corner in 2024 just google Driveline Ty France! Haha Ty may have played 3B a number of yrs ago in MiLB but as you’ll see in that Driveline video, Ty is committed to having the physique of a 1B!! His days of playing 3B every day are long gone. I mean….he could play it. Just not very well
If the Ms ownership would stop fiddling around with their RSN Network they could maybe spend $$. If they do, a very big if, buy Hoskins- 1) good problem to have 2) Since both players have had a ton of IL time the last 3 yrs you will almost certainly see Ty and Rhys sharing the 1B/DH role. If Ty is not traded of course!
No sense trying to put the cart in front of the horse here- get to work Stanton!!
Yeah, I’m sure he could throw a baseball to a fan if he caught the ball in foul territory. What’s sad is that the ball might get to where it’s going faster, if France was running with it… For those who aren’t aware, when France runs, he looks like one of those little kids who comes in the gym with their parents and puts the stair climber on the highest difficulty.
The only way we should have Hoskins, Urias, France, and Rojas in the same lineup, would be if they were playing best ball and only the best hit counts for the team!
ayrbhoy,
Don’t do that man, nobody needs to see him smuggling a role of nickels in his underwear to understand why he can’t play 3B in a real and meaningful way defensively. He’s a thicker dude who clearly cares nothing for conditioning. As a guy with that body type, you can make changes in your workouts to adjust for a thicker body type. He just refuses. Part of this may be the fact that his best friend (J.P.) is a rail and needs to add weight, while he would be beset served by dropping 20 lbs. immediately.
Hahaha – its good to see that he is comfortable in his own skin (there’s a lot of it mind you,) in front of the entire planet. If anyone hasn’t seen it- imagine the Pillsbury dough boy in spandex.
You have to think that Driveline Video is part of a before-and-after series! As long as he hits like the dough boy who hit .400 in AAA: keep the middle age man body!
And the writers to drum up fans support to read their articles.
France is a lousy third baseman but a pretty good first baseman. Hoskins can also play outfield, though he hasn’t in recent years.
Hoskins can NOT play outfield. That was very much a failed expirement. He’s a below average defensive first baseman, never mind as an outfielder.
Hoskins is only slightly better than Scotty Smalls in the outfield. I’d rather he go somewhere like Colorado, where they could use eithe a 1B or DH, and he could re-coup some value, far away from Seattle. So help me God, if the Mariners sign Hoskins for $15M, instead of ponying up $200M/10 years for Bellinger, I’m going to pull out my hair. Bellinger just feels like the best free agent deal in years. He’s totally underappreciated on the market because of Boras being a jerk and he fills two major needs for the Mariners. The first being a guy who can take over for France when Ty is dealing with the legal fallout of posting video of himself online in skin tight boxer briefs at Driveline! (insert vomit emoji) The second being he can backup CF if and when Julio needs a day to either rest or DH. He also adds a solid LH bat to compliment J.P., Cal, Julio, and I guess Ty (insert vomit emoji again). I feel dirty for even trusting France to have a bounceback year.
Who told you Hoskins can play the OF? Did you ever see him play the outfield? Schwarber plays the OF better than Hoskins. And we all know how well that is, not.
They need a DH.
But it’s hard to see Hoskins being interested in Seattle.
If he wants a one-year deal to re-establish his value, the AL West isn’t a great place for that.
I think Hoskins will be interested in whoever is willing to guarantee him a lot of money coming off that injury.
Do you think Seattle is a team that would guarantee him a lot of money?
I could see him going to number of teams, but Seattle is tougher to envision.
“Seattle is tougher to envision”…Seattle does have money and a chance to win playing time at 1B(and DH). Not many teams are looking to replace or upgrade their 1bman, but Seattle potentially is.
T-Mobile isn’t a hitter-friendly stadium and teams don’t typically hand out tons of cash on multi-year deals for players coming off a missed season with no defensive value.
He’s probably looking at, and for, a one-year deal, and the AL West isn’t a great place for most hitters to re-establish themselves.
Never say never, but it shouldn’t be hard to see why Seattle doesn’t look like a great fit.
Central teams, sure.
I should add that it isn’t surprising that Seattle may have checked in with his agent. I just think Seattle isn’t in his best interests.
Seattle has multiple holes to fill and – at most – $30 million to fill them with. Right now, Dipoto’s highest reasonable hope is just that he doesn’t find himself picking up another Jesse Winker or Kolton Wong..
Do I think they’ll be the winning bid for his services? No. Do I think the financial aspect is a little overblown and we’ll be legit contenders for his services? Yes.
The bar is low, but somehow, that still isn’t comforting!
I really wonder if we’ll see an infield prospect swapped for an MLB-ready player. At this point, I’m kind of hoping for that.
I think they’re more likely to make trades.
Yeah, but are you wanting to sign a short-term, prove it deal, while playing in T-Mobile 81 times a year?! I think that’s probably a hard no.
Stevil,
I totally agree and could see the Royals adding him to DH and play a little 1B to rest Vinnie against tough lefties in a division where he would be facing a less robust group of pitchers. The only advantage to playing in Seattle is not having to face their staff.
You make Hoskins sound like an 1870s hooker with syphilis. His value is down, sure, but he should have a lot of say on where he plays and I’m willing to bet he’s not planning to take the Oregon Trail to the Pacific Northwest and put on a Mariners jersey. Remember, offense is harder to find in modern baseball than an Ohtani jersey at the Dodgers team store!
Our organization should change the logo from a compass to a hazmat symbol, switch the Mariner Moose for a mascot that runs around in a hazmat suit. We could change our team to the Seattle Toxics, where we make lemonade out of lemons by leaning into the universal hatred we deserve as a team and as a last ditch spot for free agents with no chairs left to sit in when the music stops!
TGWAA, that was exactly my point. It doesn’t make sense for him.
And if you’re a team like Seattle, are you going to risk a multi-year, high AAV on a guy with no glove and coming off a missed season? That’s probably what it would take if he’s willing at all. Much easier to see him with a central or eastern team on a one-year deal.
None of it adds up to a likely match. Seattle will check in with just about everyone, but I don’t think anyone should read into this.
Or worse yet- a Tommy La Stella/ Cooper Hummel acquisition
Stevil- with this Ownership Group It’s hard to see Bob Hoskins playing 1B/DH, let alone Rhys Hoskins!!!
I am hopeful that Rhys Hoskins could potentially fill that DH role simply because Washington is the other team listed as an option.
Is it Spring Training yet?
VonPurple, say it ain’t so? Where’s the loyalty?
As a Braves fan, sorry to see him go…
The Phillies roster isn’t a fit for him. He’s a DH/1B. He Phillies have about 3 DH types already. Hoskins provides significant pop, great ABs, and he walks a bunch. He stretched out any lineup. He can’t field though.
Wow, a post that doesn’t mention LAD…
Shocking.
But apparently people in the comment section can’t resist!
@neon. Dodgers have already won the next several World Series even before the games have been played. That seems to be the jest of things on here the last week.
Yeah, doesn’t he realize we’re still talking about the hypothetical championship hierarchy from 2028 right now!
“Interested in”?
Want more “signed”
So much for reducing k’s
Lowering K/0’s? Hoskins does lower the K/%! If you think of the 1B/DH profile- a power bat who is going to get you around a .500 slg% with a 30HR or more ceiling, when healthy, his 24% K/% avg is not bad. In fact Its about a 20% improvement over all 3 former M’s players traded away. You’re talking about an improvement with a significant source of power over 1/3 of the 2023 lineup!
Course, you’d be hard pressed to find a trio of players from one team with such a high collective K/0 rate- Suarez, Teo and JK sources of power. I cant think of a trio of players on one team with a worse collective K/0 %. Can you?
Oh yeah, it’s going to be a dumpster fire year. We’re going to be half a lineup of Adam Fraziers and Kolten Wongs. This is what I think the Mariners will end up doing….
DH Carlos Santana $5.5M/1 year deal
OF Randall Grichuk $6M/1 year deal
3B/OF Brian Anderson $6.5M/1 year deal
UT Donovan Solano $5M/1 year deal
With France at first would Hoskins and him just take turns between DH and 1B?
Do people actual believe anything Moron(si) says anymore? Especially about the M’s…
Yeah, that’s a negative red leader, Morosi and Passan are tool bags, over and out!
Well… no one in their right mind believed anything he ever said anyway, so…
Unsurprisingly the trash merchant Padres aren’t in on Hoskins.
The Padres are a dumpster fire in a train wreck.
A return the Werner era economics for this franchise.
All that goodwill earned by Peter Seidler down the drain during in one off season. A shame.
Sure the Bogey signing was stupid to pay a premium for a position they did not need with Kim in the team. Sure the Machado signing was probably an overbid.
But the Padres still have a hefty payroll and a fun offense to watch. I think they are ahead of the Giants right now and an above 0.500 team. They are way ahead of the Rockies. So you can mock the occasional blogger who attacked Acee saying that payroll would be cut, but they are hardly a dumpster fire. The Padres are like the Mets in that they went for it but faced tough division competition. Some poor signings, but still above average teams and better than the cheap owners who do squat.
The problem with the padres is AJ Prellers roster construction. Hes a tremendous talent evaluator but lacks the ability to build a legit contender. The padres have no leaders.
Are you going to whine in this thread, too?
Stating the obvious with the Padres is speking factually.
Sign some free agents, Padres.
Peter Seidler must be Egyptian, they used to bury large parts of their empire with them when they died. Seems like the Padres are following that process!
27 teams weren’t listed in the article, so why complain about the Padres when they’ve had huge payrolls the last few years?
This is the present. The Padres don’t get credit for last year.
It’s possible they’re in on Hoskins and it hasn’t been reported.
That’s a good point. I’ll beleove it when I see it though.
This current ownership group, post Seidler, has gone full reverse and has to earn support.
My beloved Pads have 8 vacancies on the 40. Guaranteed they’re still in on everyone. Peeps need some optimism.
Lol…. The current ownership group is still the Seidler family, with an appointed person making decisions. Stop acting like some scrub bought the team. They’ll be fine,and contend.
The Seidlers aren’t running the club. Other investors have stepped in. Arctos Sports Partners has taken the lead.
Yeah, just like the Mariners didn’t get credit for 2022 last year and it appears justifiably so, because the team was as bad as everyone imagined and it’s only getting worse.
@towinagain
I think Padres are struggling to get credit anywhere at the moment…
Not to throw gas on the fire, but what do Padres fans expect when they spent close to $250M and still missed the playoffs. Criticism is inevitable. Even if Preller is reeling in the spending, at least the Padres fans got to know what it was like to have an owner who wasn’t such a f-ing accountant and gave a crap about the on-field product.
The Mariners have ridiculous amounts of money and they bargain shop. I’d rather have $25M go to a guy in his prime with a chance of earning his contract like Bellinger, than to a couple retreads that have a suboptimal chance of success in Wong, LaStella, and Pollock. I firmly believe that unless a rare oppotrunity presents itself,
I would use the bench for prospects, DFAs, NRIs, and bargain hunting. The bullpen should have three or four dudes, and the rest should be like the bench in that they are prospects, DFAs, NRIs, and bargain hunting. There are enough low stress opportunities to give these guys a try and it creates space to find hidden gems.
The only place I’d be serious about investing money is the starting lineup and the rotation, however the 5th starter should be a young guy with options, and there should be at least two young guys ready to eat innings in AA or AAA. As far as bats, the Mariners feel like they need plug-and-play bench players, and they benefit from platooning, but is Urias and Rojas saving money? Then why do it?!
No worries, The DH. is covered. With one or more of Ford, Torrens, Murphy, and Vogelbach,
Don’t jump! step away from that window lets talk about it.
I don’t think he’s a good fit for SD, crowded infield and RH heavy already. If they’re going to add a 1B/DH type it should really be a left hander like Brandon Belt maybe.
The obvious choice here is the Cubs, who need a bat to replace Bellinger, who have realistic aspirations to contend, and who have a void at 1B (sorry Mervis and Morel).
I think Chapman is a better fit for the Cubs. They have no 3b short or long term.
Matt Shaw would like a word with you…
Matt Chapman is a better fit for a $30M/3 year deal, which is why he has no market and probably shouldn’t in all fairness.
I don’t wanna hear about the cubs getting better until the reds get pitching
The Cubs make a ton of sense. He could have fun, win, and rebuild his value and try free agency again next offseason in a potentially better position to negotiate.
Now we wait for the “Dodgers sign Rhys Hoskins” article. Any minute now.
So the Mariners trade away a righty 3b in Suarez who strikes out a lot and hits for power in order to sign a righty 1b who strikes out a lot and hits for power?
Over their last 3 season Hoskins strikes out 6% less and has 0ver .040 point higher ISO. So while both re above average in terms of both K’s and power. Hoskins has more power and strikes out less.
Why look at the last 3 seasons and not their entire careers? That’s an odd thing to do.
Hoskins has played half his games in a small ballpark. Suarez used to play in a similar ballpark but Seattle is a pitchers park.
Seems like you are cherry picking stats to make your point.
Because what a guy did 8 years ago is hardly an indication of who he is now. 1500 PAs is a large enough sample size to see a current trend and is too large to be considered “cherry picking”. Also if I used entire careers then the gap shrinks to 4% and it only does because before 2019 Suarez was a different hitter. To stretch the sample size into a phase where we know it isn’t a representative of who he is now, is cherry picking.
They are darn similar hitters. The GM very publicly said they are looking for guys who take good at bats not guys who strike out a bunch. Hoskins has led the league in strikeouts before I am pretty sure. He’s exactly the type of guy the Mariners very publicly said they are trying to get away from.
The difference is the Mariners had Suarez at 3B, he was playing GG defense, and he cost less than Hoskins would cost and it would be for a shorter period of time. I’m sure Hoskins can be a good dude, but only a couple years ago he was doubting himself and struggling a lot, so how is he going to respond to a year away from baseball?! There isn’t a person alive who is a better clubhouse guy than Geno, so it’s another point for keeping Geno over Hoskins. This is why you don’t trade players until you already have their replacement. Jerry knew this and would run the front office this way, I think Justin Hollander is far to green for this and shouldn’t be trusted to handle the reload.
But darn different defenders with different positional values!
So much for cutting down on Ks for the Mariners offense I guess. I mean his K rate is “palatable” but certainly not very good. Whether they should be doing that or not is purely an opinion but that’s what they said they wanted.
Rhys is easier to pronounce than Eeyouheeneeo.
When he first came to the reds I thought it was Eugene ee oh
If Dizzy Dean was behind the mike today, it would be “Gene Sure is”
Ee=uh-hen-ee-oo, just saying. My wife is from Peru and so I learned a lot of Spanish while living there. Now I have to teach my English speaking Latino children to pronounce words in their other native language, so we use phonetic spelling!
For what it’s worth Rhys is spelled wrong…. Not by you, but by his parents, someone should fix that.
I do see why someone would think it would be fun to have him play in Seattle…. I can hear the call from Rick Rizz in honor of Dave Niehaus, “Get out the Rhys Bread and Mustard Grandma, it’s a Grand Salami Time!”
It should be spelled Reece or Reese. Rhys is just very irritating. It’s like his parents had four tiles left in Scrabble and said, “let’s make our son’s name from these letters!”
This isn’t going anywhere, in my opinion; just more “due diligence” snooping around by the Mariners.
The word is Vogelbach has sign a deal with the M’s he and Ford will compete as DH.
As a long time Atlanta Braves fan I had on my Christmas list that we sign Solar but I just Matt Carpenter Is better the Solar. Thanks a Lot Santa
Mariners trade idea
Logan Gilbert
Robbie Ray
For
Dylan Carlson
Zack Thompson
Steven Matz
Mariners downgrade their rotation from Gilbert to Matz. Add 2 lefties Matz goes into the rotation and Thompson is the 6th or 7th starter who can also pitch in the pen. Mariners save money long term by getting away from the Ray contract.
I don’t think the mariners would use logan gilbert to offload salary. But, then again, they did use kelenic to do it, so it really would not surprise me.
Matz could potentially be better than Gilbert. I wouldn’t bet on it but it’s not impossible.
I could see why fans wouldn’t approve of this trade. But I still think it makes sense. Mariners can save the money and use it for when they actually intend to contend again.
I dont really like it but its not as crazy as it sounds. Carlson could still break out.
Strongly disagree there. Matz has no “potential” anymore because he is 32. He had a 3.86 ERA last year, which is solid, but still lower than gilbert, who does have room to grow because he is only 26.
Matz actually has a lot of potential but he’s a bit of a head case. He pitched great for a month or 2 before going on the IL last year.
He was pretty darn similar to Gilbert last year. Of course Gilbert is better that’s why Robbie Rays contract would come with him. But it’s not crazy to think Matz could outperform Gilbert in 2024.
They’ve been telling fans since 2020 they’ve been saving money for that… They’re liars. They spent all of their money hiring millenial front office workers and paying gameday staff the highest minimum wage. The rest of the money went in the silent partners pockets and will never go towards payroll.
Matz better than Gilbert? lol come on dude I’m a fan of both teams and thats awful.
@Joel P
“But it’s not crazy to think Matz could outperform Gilbert in 2024.”
That’s where you lost everyone on the comments board.
Matz FIP in 2023
3.75
Gilbert’s FIP in 2023
3.85
Of course Gilbert is the safer bet. But Matz actually pitched better than Gilbert last year. So no its really not that ridiculous to say he could do it again.
Mariners fans think Gilbert is God’s gift to pitching. He’s good I think he’s a solid number 2 starter. But he’s not amazing.
If the Cards DFA’d Matz nobody would claim him, seriously.
Matz has a backloaded contract and has had some injury issues the last couple years. But as I just pointed out he actually pitched better than Gilbert in 2023.
It’s ok to acknowledge that part. Heck I didn’t even know it until I looked it up I knew it was close but I didn’t know that. Obviously you didn’t either.
Bro. You’re just like lil stevie janowsky. None of us are saying gilbert is God’s gift. We are saying he is a solid starting pitcher with fantastic stuff who has 4 years of control and therefore has a lot of trade value. It does not matter what their FIPs were last year.
Cardinals fans apparently do not understand trade value. I’m just thankful none of these idiots are in the front office.
Matz pitched BETTER THAN GILBERT in 2023. I didn’t make it up. That happened.
Robbie Ray has a TERRIBLE contract.
Trade values says the deal is fair. The problem is I am arguing with a bunch of Mariner homer fans here. And of course the deal involves cutting payroll which fans don’t like. I get that. But stop saying it isn’t a fair deal when it is.
I did not say it was not a fair deal. What I am saying is that the mariners value logan more than some random cardinals fan in a trade rumors comment section, and therefore they will not use him to dump salary.
You talk about us being “homers”, but can you please explain to me the weird cardinals fans obsession with lars nootbaar? How is that any different from us valuing gilbert like he is?
The Mariners used Kelenic to dump salary. Why is it ridiculous to think they would do the same with Gilbert?
I suggested many times trading Nootbaar 1 for 1 for Gilbert. It doesn’t make sense now that the team signed 3 starters but it could have. Nootbaar is a good player. The Mariners want guys who take good professional at bats and don’t go up there hacking for homers. That’s EXACTLY who Nootbaar is. He also has Japanese ties which I think the Mariners ownership likes. But it doesn’t make sense anymore ONeill is gone and he was needed to play left if Nootbaar was dealt.
Because, exactly like you said in your explanation, they are trying to dump strikeouts. Kelenic had one “good” year, and even that is in question. He hit around .250 with 11 homeruns. Plus the front office was fed up with his personality.
Gilbert has been inconsistent at times, which is why his numbers aren’t as good, but he has shown flashes of being an ace.
Kelenic and Gilbert are not even close to being on the same level. Maybe it’s time to consider that you aren’t as knowledgable about how good mariners players are as the mariners fans are.
Yeah fed up with Kelenic because he got mad when that goofball guy from the Mariners said they were manipulating his service time. That’s nonsense dude.
Nootbaar has shown flashes of being an all star. Similar to Gilbert really. Same number of years of team control too.
Did you predict the Mariners would give away Kelenic and Suarez in salary dump moves? I bet you didnt.
First of all, this argument is not about whether i’d trade gilbert for nootbaar (which i might consider). It’s about whether i’d use gilbert to offload salary. And the answer to that is unequivocally no.
Dipoto said coming into the offseason that he wanted to significantly cut back on strikeouts. And while i did not exactly predict that those two would be traded, it did not surprise me that it was the two biggest strikeouts on the team. He killed two birds with one stone in those trades.
Of course you wouldn’t use Gilbert to shed salary. You are a fan you don’t pay the bills. Of course you wouldn’t do that deal unless it was followed by a Snelll signing.
Suarez was a salary dump. Urias sucked last year the team didn’t get better just because his K percentage was lower. That trade was a salary dump plain and simple. Just like the Kelenic deal was.
You’re just wrong. Did you even read my last comment? Dipoto said he was going to cut back on strikeouts. That is a fact. Look it up if you want to. Another fact is that the mariners needed to shed salary. Yes, those two trades were partially to dump salary, but that’s not it. Let me explain:
The mariners had no extra money to spend this offseason and therefore could not get better. Last year, they were not good enough and a big part of that was the strikeouts. So dipoto got rid of ALL of the big strikeout guys (traded kelenic and geno, no QO to teo) in addition to shedding salary.
Now, instead of being in a position where we have no money and a ton of strikeouts, we have some money and less strikeouts.
The reason we will NOT use gilbert to dump salary is because we are NOT also trying to dump young, controllable pitchers.
Dipoto cut back on salary and talent. Strikeouts were just an excuse to feed the fans.
How do you know how much the Mariners have to spend in 2024? You don’t have a clue.
So dumping young controllable outfielders is totally cool but young controllable pitching isn’t?
Nonsense dude. You are making it up as you go.
I can tell you right now that as a fan who watched most of the mariners games last year, it was getting extremely frustrating watching geno or teo strike out with a runner on 3rd and less than two outs. I was pretty excited when i found out that dipoto was tired of it too.
You are right, i do not know how much money the mariners have, but again, dipoto said that at most our payroll would only be slightly higher than last year, so i have a pretty good idea.
And yes, dumping controllable strikeouts is totally cool but dumping solid #3 starters isn’t.
I am not making this up as i go, and i feel that as a dedicated mariners fan i would have a better idea about what’s best for the team than you would.
I never said I know what’s best for the Mariners. I said it’s a fair trade that fits a pattern the Mariners have shown this offseason. And that’s 100% true.
Again I understand why you wouldn’t want the team to make this trade. But that’s you being a fan. I will ask for the third time now if they did this deal then signed Snell would you be good with it then???? No clue why you can’t answer that question.
If you want to talk with nothing but Mariners fans and like each others comments all day do it.
Alright, you’re angry, please just calm down here. You did not ask me that question before, but i will answer it anyway:
I would not. Snell is 31 and is bound to regress soon. While he might be better than ray, i’m not swapping matz into gilbert’s place.
Yes, salary dumps has been the pattern this offseason for the mariners, but the concept that you can’t seem to grasp is that the people in those trades have 30%+ strikeout rates, something dipoto said he wanted to eliminate. Dipoto also said that he will only trade the young pitching if he has to, and if he does, you’d better believe we’re getting a haul.
I am clearly not talking with only mariners fans because i am talking with you. Maybe take a step back and look at your trade proposal from a mariner perspective, both from a front office and fan perspective, think of the logic i have presented, and reevaluate your argument.
Snell might be better than Ray???? Snell just won the Cy Yong. Ray is still recovering from surgery. Come on dude.
You can’t seem to see things from any point of view except your own man. Trade values says the trade is fair because Rays contract is terrible. That’s why and they are an unbiased source unlike you or me.
Why did the Mariners dump Sewald? Because he struck out too many guys????
I mean, I’m not sure I’d declare that Matz pitched better last year. You’re just cherry picking one stat. Gilbert has pitched at least 185 innings in two consecutive seasons and is still improving. Matz has never pitched that many innings, and going into his age 32 season, is more likely to decline than improve. If the Mariners are super desperate to dump Rays contract, there are probably worse ways to do it. But I doubt they would entertain this scenarios imo.
FYI, we signed ray right after he won the cy young as well. But no matter.
I am not upgrading from ray to snell by downgrading from gilbert to matz. simple as that.
Again, i already told you i believe you that the trade is fair. But it is not something the mariners are not going to do. They would rather take the risk on keeping ray than giving up gilbert for the 32 year old matz.
Alright, i will look at it from the cardinals fan perspective: if i am a cardinals fan, i will do this immediately because i am getting logan gilbert and taking on a little salary for absolutely nothing in return.
Seems like you are the one who needs to look from a different perspective.
I do like Carlson though…. What else would you take for him? Emerson Hancock perhaps?
I always use FIP to judge a pitchers performance I dont cherry pick stats. And that’s not the point anyways. People said there was NO WAY Matz would be better than Gilbert and it clearly is possible. I never said Matz and Gilvert are equally valuable you Mariners fans just got defensive and dug your heels in without actually doing any research.
Matz was really really good for roughly 8 weeks before he got hurt last year. He started the season terribly but was really good for a while. Like really really good look up his game logs and see for yourself.
You can doubt they entertain this scenario all you want. I don’t think it’s going to happen I just made a fair trade proposal that fits the pattern for what the Mariners are doing this offseason and also makes sense for the Cardinals.
What’s wrong with doing this deal and then signing local boy Snell? Doesn’t that ultimately make the Mariners a better team?????
I hope you show up to some Carinal posts in the future. I guarantee you I won’t like their comments and gang up on you. I guarantee it because I am a person of high character.
Cardinals don’t need Hancock at all. They have lots of backend maybe starters they need a number 2 starter. Like Gilbert…..
You take everything so personal. I’m just saying I wouldn’t declare he pitched better last year just because of one stat. I mean Matz came out of the pen some last year, so at least gimme his starter fip. And he hasn’t ever pitched as many innings as Gilbert has, and it was 190- 105 innings wise last year. That matters a lot. So how about Carlson for Hancock? You’re getting an extra year of control to offset the volatility/injury risk of taking the pitcher. Seems reasonable
I can understand that. I like Carlson but I like Gilbert more.
Man, you don’t have to be all butt hurt about this. No one was ganging up on you (until bobby just barely came in) and i am not liking anyone’s comments (not sure why you have such a problem with that either).
You are angry. And you’re angry because why? Because you know you’ve lost. Dude, it’s ok that mariners fans don’t like your trade proposal. It happens to everyone. It wouldn’t have been this whole thing if you just kept your mouth shut. But you doubled down, so i’m gonna call you out.
You arguing with me at midnight over a trade that will not happen in a million years, insulting me and the playing the victim shows me you are not a person of high character. I have no clue why you feel ganged up on, and i’m sorry that you feel that way, but it’s not happening.
If the mariners sign snell, it will be for the same if not more than what ray’s contract is. So, us trading ray and signing snell is a net zero or negative from a financial standpoint. While snell is better than ray right now, there’s a chance he could get injured too. You never know. But the difference in value of snell and ray does come close to the difference in value of gilbert and matz.
You proved nothing. You’ve played the victim, that’s your whole argument. “Oh, im being ganged up on! Poor me!” Buddy, it happens to everyone.
I am not aware of what sodomojo did, i might have been there at the beginning but not when you were getting ganged up on.
I haven’t been rude to you once. I respect that you clearly like baseball a lot, as I do. Sometimes it’s totally fine to say, hey, this is what I think, and not have try to prove everyone wrong. I keep trying to just ask you baseball questions and every time you sound defensive and angry. You ever wonder why so many people get into it with you? I look forward to actually talking baseball with you without it being an argument. Also btw I went to your park last summer it was awesome. A lot of nice fans. Very hot though.
I have been in two major arguments on this site: one with you, and one with your buddy lil stevie janowsky. Both times were about logan gilbert, and both times i have been accused of being biased, when in actuality the opposite is true, and both times you guys ended up just insulting me and my team. I am convinced you are the same person, but whatever.
Insults and playing the victim show that the person arguing knows they’ve lost and are trying to win pity from bystanders.
Tough guy.
What did I lose????
I gave you a like. Just for fun…..
Uhhh… the argument we’ve been having the last two hours.
Not sure why you think likes are the reason we all post on this site.
Still no logical argument presented from you. Just admit you are wrong and let’s all go to bed.
I didn’t know we were keeping score…..
I’ll be there, buddy boy, and you, king of cards and stevie janowsky and you guys’s combined 35 IQ can insult me to death. I thought you said you were a man of high character and would never gang up on someone else.
So you only present logical arguments when we are keeping score?
If you want to have a spirited debate with me, i’m all for it, let’s do it. But at this point we are not even talking about baseball.
@Joel
You over look Matz’s extensive injury history and age. Matz has more potential to be the league’s worst pitcher than to pitch an effective full season. His ridiculous contract also makes him untradeable.
I said Matz MIGHT be better than Gilbert. Because on a per inning basis he actually was in 2023. If you want to ignore that great. Of course Matz isn’t as good as safe of a bet as Gilbert to have a better 2024. Nobody said otherwise.
Good lord. The deal is about the Mariners getting out of that stupid Robby Ray contract. Because the Mariners are cheap and have been since July.
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That makes literally 0 sense. As in none. Our payroll is low enough already and gutting our only strength makes no sense at all.
I want to hear from pessimistic Ms guy on this. I bet he can see the logic here.
Payroll is low enough already haha. That’s not what Pessimistic Ms guy would say…..
Are you nuts??? No way M’s even remotely consider that deal, not even as a starting point for something bigger…..
India from the Reds so Reds get Cabrera,Garrett from Marlins,Mariners get India and Marlins get Prospects.
I mean no offense personally, but that is not at all a good trade proposal. The Mariners won’t even consider trading Gilbert for anything less than a young, elite hitter. They’re certainly not going to trade him for so little just to dump Ray’s contract.
Rays got a really bad contract.
Weird how when I suggest trading Arenado to the Dodgers all the Dodger fans think it’s a great idea. But this trade suggested to Mariners fans they say it’s no good.
Money matters folks. The Mariners have been dumping salary since July. I think it fits with their prior actions.
Horrible awful putrid trade you are outta your ever loving mind. Kapiche?
I was attempting to be polite… but this is more or less what I was thinking in my head too.
I don’t think the M’s view Robbie as a bad contract, yet. He got hurt. He’ll get better.
I don’t think the M’s are dumping contracts for the sake of saving money. I can see why many think that, but I think they were just cutting their losses on players they no longer felt comfortable with. Most like to blame cheap ownership, and I don’t think that’s the issue either. I think they are trying to build an affordable, continuous, playoff contending team utilizing a strong farm system for the major league team as well as supplementing their roster via trades.
I like it.
I personally wouldn’t trade any of the starters, yet. Remove two games from Gilbert’s season, and you’ve got an ACE. You can pretty well say the same for all of their young pitchers. Obviously you see something in Gilbert, or you wouldn’t be suggesting it.
I also like that they were willing to get rid of the cooler kicker over character issues, regardless of potential.
@Danelvoones I really like what you said. More of this please. That’s called “good vibes only” and I dedicate your post to Eugenio Suarez.
So agree. Shocking how many people underestimate Gilbert’s ability. A young, contract controlled pitcher who throws strikes and does not land on the IL.
Do you truly not understand the trade?
The Mariners have made move after move to cut payroll. Robbie Ray has a terrible contract that’s why the Mariners would do this. Not because it makes them a better team.
Trade simulator says its a fair deal. Why? Because Rays contract sucks that’s why.
Do you REALLY not get it???
@Joel NOBODY would pair Gilbert with Ray’s contract just in order to move it. If they were to trade Gilbert, it would be for at least one BIG BAT that we have control over for multiple years. And most likely another bat, and a sure-thing reliever and another young starter. You don’t waste Gilbert by coupling him with Ray.
The Mets will trade Marte, Quintana and Jarvis for Gilbert and Ray lol, we did it for Diaz and Cano years ago lol
The Mariners aren’t that hard up for salary relief. For Gilbert it is going to have to be Walker coming back.
I would trade Walker for Gilbert sure. Walker is overrated he can’t play defense.
Every move the Mariners have made since July suggests the Mariners are hard up for salary relief.
Ray’s contract isn’t as horrid as you’re trying to make it out to be, either. He was actually quite good during his first season in Seattle, and then got hurt. I could easily see him returning to being a solid #3 starter after he gets fully healthy. And he’s only signed for two more seasons beyond next year.
He’s making basically what Sonny Gray makes the next 3 years and Gray just finished 2nd in Cy Young votes for 2023. And Ray isn’t even healthy he’s out until at least midseason. That’s an ugly contract.
What if the Mariners didn’t take Matz and used the savings to sign Snell. Does it make more sense to you then? I bet it does. But the Mariners seem to be dumping payroll.
I’m interested in a Ferrari but it doesn’t mean I will be willing to spend the money on one! No way they will pay what he wants…
Can he defer some of his strike outs, Dipolo asked asked his agent.
Im kind of disgusted with Mariners ownership. As a die hard Stros fan i want to beat them but they have a tremendous rotation. If they added Cody Bellinger and Josh Hader they would be absolutely disgusting. They need hitting. Their time is now. Not adding to that team makes me sick as a fan of MLB
I’m a Red Sox fan and I agree. They are built to win now. It’s time to trade a few prospects and spend some money to bring in the hitting they need to go along with a very good pitching staff.
Anyone predict the 2024 record for the Mariners? Think they’ll make Wild Card? As a Padres fan I can confirm Seattle Native Blake Snell eagerly wants to sign a contract with his home town Mariners. Sucks for us, but if he signs with the Mariners they may turn around.
Signing him would allow them to trade one (or more) of their young SPs for more hitting. I’d be pretty surprised if they were willing to pay what it would take to land him after the past few months, though.
Like I said in the other comment how about trading Gilbert with Ray in a salary dump and using the savings for Snell. Snell is better than Gilbert that’s an upgrade.
It would be a start…
Hopefully they are interested in someone
Big long term contracts are not normally, Jerry’s thing. If he could sign Hoskins to a show-me one year plus and option I could see it. Better off going after Soler.
He’s got to be worth at least 20. Two year opt out deal. Maybe 18. Opt out 4. Opt in 22 ? Seems very player friendly.
Terry. Big long term contracts are not really any gms thing imo. But its the nature of todays game. stros will probably lose bregman because of their hesitancy. This mariners team could win a championship with 2 more legit hitters and a star reliever. George kirby is an absolute star. Luis castillo is terrific. Logan gilbert as a 3? Very nice. It’s criminal they aren’t adding
Lots of off season to go. What’s your rush?
Trader Jerry about to do magical things!!!!
There’s zero chance that France plays more than a handful of innings at 2B or 3B. That being said, Hoskins would be valuable as a DH/1B. There’s no guarantee that France figures things out and the M’s don’t have any replacements unless they do something like move Canzone there. The bad thing is that Hoskins doesn’t have as much power as someone like Soler and could lose some homeruns to the marine layer.
Check is splits.
Home/away
vs L/R
mashes Leftys and hit good at home(Phi)
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The Mets should be in on Hoskins to DH and backup 1b, sign him for 2 years in case if they can’t resign Alonso
I’ve been saying it all off-season. Hoskins is a perfect fit for Seattle.
Hoskins isn’t a bad pick up if the contract is right. He crushes left handed pitching and would add balance to the lineup.
He’s a walks machine too. He could make the lineup longer in a couple ways.
Is Rhys going to agree only if he’s given veto power over future team moves like the aging shady phony ohtani (ohtani will be the worst contract of all time and the fans will turn on him within 4 years) has with the Los Angeles mlb team?
This could be the worst offseason in Cubs history. They have glaring needs and are whiffing on everyone! If this continues, front office jobs need to be purged and replaced. Jed, grow a pair!
Dude they will land Belli.
Less “reportedly interested”.
More “acquire” and “officially sign”.
Ms are reportedly interested in any players with a pulse. Problem is, Stanton is too cheap to pony up for a couple decent bats that’ll make a difference.
I’d like to see Hoskins in Mariner colours but it’s looking more & more like they’re bargain hunting; that’s fine when filling the DH role – a Santana reunion wouldn’t be all terrible— but they seriously need to address 3B and OF. Need real guys with solid bats there… Urshela is as low as they can go
They didn’t acquire Urshela.
The need two outfielders, a DH, and I agree, a better third base option than Urías, who should be in a platoon at second. And they need a closer.
They would still be a threat with just two star hitters and a high-leverage reliever/closing option, but I don’t think we’re likely going to see an upgrade at third to start the season…nor two star hitters.
Would much rather see JD Martinez or J. Turner.
How about those Dodgers?
Kind of sad if Rhys Hoskins doesn’t have a place on the Phillies team and that is coming from a Braves fan.
I think Cubs might actually get Bellinger back
Please come back to the Phillies.
Him and Garver should be DH/1B options for the Rangers.
Since 1B isn’t a very demanding position when compared to, say, 2B, SS, C or CF, Hoskins can surely be a winning team’s 1B. Hey, my Phillies went to the WS in 2022 with him playing 1B.
Much as I would like to see him return to Philly, there appears to be no room in the inn for him. Would much prefer Harper in RF and Rhys at 1B with Castellanos or Schwarber moving on via a trade.
That said, if Rhys’ days with the Phillies are over, then I believe the Cubs would be the perfect landing spot for him. Plus, that would not preclude the Cubs from bringing back Bellinger (CF) because I don’t believe Crow-Armstrong is quite ready for an everyday MLB job.
Think about it every time the M’s extend a contract they get in trouble. There better off doing what they do best, shopping in the discount isles.
Would love to see Hoskins playing 1st base or Soler playing left field for the Twins this year. If we sign Soler we could trade Kepler for pitching help. We sign Hoskins we can trade Polonco or Farmer for pitching help…… Doubt either will happen with management crying poverty, but it’s nice to dream::)
Sounds like the perfect mariners player. Low risk high reward that won’t work.
The slow way Dipoto is moving. M’s will probably end up with players like :Duvall, Pham, Peralta and a minor deal with Donaldson.
Gurriel jr would have beeen nice-thought he’d get more years and $.