1:32PM: The numbers continue to escalate for Ohtani, as Jon Heyman of the New York Post writes that “Ohtani is believed to already have received multiple bids well north of $500MM, and some speculate he could even wind up as baseball’s first $600MM man.”
11:49AM: Shohei Ohtani’s free agent sweepstakes have been largely shrouded in mystery, as Ohtani and agent Nez Balelo have specifically prioritized a low profile approach to perhaps the most high-profile free agency in baseball history. As such, there has been a lot of speculation and relatively little facts about Ohtani’s market, though there are some indications that the two-time AL MVP might be coming somewhat closer to a decision.
MLB Network’s Jon Morosi (X link) hears from a source that Ohtani “is likely to” make his choice within the week, though this timeline could indicate that the news could come after the Winter Meetings have concluded. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale has a slightly different timeline, indicating that Ohtani will make his choice “certainly before the Christmas holidays” but also more than a week from now, so roughly mid-December.
It isn’t a stretch to say that whenever Ohtani does make the call, it will automatically become the most pivotal day of the offseason calendar. Ohtani is widely expected to sign the largest contract in baseball history, and thus his free agency has to some extent held up the market as a whole. Such known suitors as the Angels, Dodgers, Blue Jays, Giants, and Cubs have largely held off on any other major business until they know if they’ll be adding a $500MM+ Ohtani contract to their long-term payroll plans. As such, several top players have yet to make their own free agent decisions, waiting for these big-spending potential suitors to more fully engage in the rest of the market — and possibly be more eager to spend elsewhere after missing out on Ohtani.
Since it’s only December 3, it’s worth reminding that the offseason isn’t even at the halfway point yet, and Ohtani is hardly taking any sort of unusually long time in deciding on his next team. Given the sport-altering amounts of money involved and how any free agent decision big or small is a life-changing decision for a player, it would’ve been more surprising if Ohtani had already made his choice this relatively early into the winter.
So little is known about Ohtani’s thought process that it is hard to say whether or not the aforementioned five teams (or any possible mystery teams) could be true finalists. However, the last few days has seen the Red Sox, Rangers, and Mets reportedly all step back from the Ohtani sweepstakes in some sense, perhaps indicating that the bidding has either gotten too high, or that Ohtani’s camp has given some indication that these three clubs are no longer in consideration.
He knows where he’s gonna sign just do it already
If he’s made up his mind, I can see the announcement happening during the Winter Meetings. If he needs to meet further (in person), then this doesn’t happen until after the meetings. I’m still having a difficult time seeing any team not named the Dodgers being his next team.
I guessed LAD, so it def won’t be them. SF couldn’t land a free agent if they were the only bidder. I’d think Angels have a better shot than SF.
I hope the Angel’s have learned from their crazy contracts. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
Arte learn new tricks?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz…. then more zzzzzz’s
SO’s low key approach suggests to me that he doesn’t want a conference with everyone at the hotel and I’m thinking he’ll announce his decision immediately after the winter meetings end.
I’m like Rip Van Winkle, wake me up when it’s over
Some team will overpay & then start complaining about it 5 years later.
Complain in 5 years Curly? How about complain in a few months? Lolol!
You are correct gooch, 5 years was way too generous an assessment.
If picks SF he can poop wherever he wants.
The Angel’s what?
Oh Lloyd, wow that is such an original take, I don’t know where you ever came up with that, it is ingenious! NOT! So sick of the same stupid comment over and over and over. SF is gorgeous! Yes there are homeless people like any big city but only on a few streets, the rest are beautiful! I live here, I walk and bike the streets every single day. Come and see for yourself instead of cowering behind your keyboard and repeating tired pablum.
And get free sandwiches for life at Ike’s. That tips the scale for me!
@agnes gooch — it’s a great comment if mentioned out of irony, considering it’s actually a talking point in a major political forum right now. When a candidate brings out a poop map of a city to make a point — what great metaphor of the current state of politics than that? As someone that’s run a business in a major hub of NYC for years — it could have its own map, but is that really the low-hanging fruit that we’re focusing on instead of issues that do warrant time during a debate? Middle school debates wouldn’t even venture into that area.
It’s a pile
If so, why would US President and Chinese counterpart chose SF to have a meeting there?
aragon – It’s been widely reported that SF cleaned up the streets specifically for their visit. SF is not close to the city it once was. It’s a wreck, like the rest of California, Chicago, NY, et al.
@Run Wake up. Giants sign FA every year.
If he picks SF personnel security will cost 250,000 a year or more.
Once a team signs him they’ll make it all back on apparel sales.
If Ohtani had been with the Dodgers from the beginning, I can just hear the Dodgers writers & fans saying “don’t sign him to that huge of a contract, it’s an albatross!
Two Tommy John surgeries already?
Let him walk, he not worth that kind of money. However, the shoes on the other foot now. He supposedly worth 500 mil or more! CRAZY!!
Vegas odds has the Dodgers as favorite so it won’t be them. I’m guessing the Blue Jays or Giants and rangers as a dark horse.
Buyer beware on this used BMW. Those things always break down
Toronto would be a fabulous story that would run for months. So it won’t happen either.
Cant imagine he would choose all the hassle that goes with playing in Canada. Also far from the west coast. He has a Home in Hawaii so i would guess he wants to be only a few hours away on the west coast.
If he gets 600 million I don’t think he’ll care if he has to fly a extra 3 hrs a couple times a year. Also maybe the jays be like here take our PJ to wherever you want whenever you want
He is being deliberate, making the best decision for him and his family, as he knows it will most likely be his last contract…or the last big one.
He knows what he wants and if it’s been offered, his agent understands the earlier he signs, the better it will be for his team with respect to other subsequent moves. Obviously, though if the money and years haven’t been offered, I’m wrong and it will drag out until the agent believes no better offers will be made.
He is attracted to Cleveland’s Chinatown area
Toronto has a large Asian community.
‘for sure eh, I mean Asia has a large Toronto community…
Why would that be? He isn’t Chinese.
Really, really poor taste.
Racism lives in you.
Great a player with no position is goin get $600 million?
The Yankees are paying Judge, what? $100,000 per plate appearance?
Judge is predicted to have 658 plate appearances in 2024. At 100,000 per, he would make $65.8 million per season. Because of injuries, Judge had 458 plate appearances in 2023. At $40 million, AAV, he made about 87,000 per plate appearance. He smashed into and destroyed the right field wall in Dodger Stadium and rehabbed from it for free!
They certainly are, but keep in mind Judge can play multiple positions right? That was my point and it went right over your head but not surprised though. Smh. Ohtani is a player with NO position in 2024.
Judge has never had more than 600 ABs in a season.
No it didn’t go over my head. Sure he plays multiple positions but for only about 65% of the games
You should let Fangraphs know that their projections are wrong! 2017= 678 PA, 2021= 663 PA, 2022 = 696 PA,
As a red sox fan i consider David Ortiz worth that in hindsight…every penny
I’m sure he knows, but his agent may be trying to drive the price up.
Not until he squeezes them for every last nickel.
ohtani demands privacy, where are they getting these numbers?
He’s an average player for at least 1 season. He’s going to be a DH coming off surgery. No one is interested… he has only been offered 1 year contracts by 3 teams. That’s why the “talk are being kept quiet” because no one is talking. No one is calling his agent. No 1 team has offered a multi year contract. He will likely stay with the angels and waste another year in the footsteps of Trout. .
@178iq … you have no idea what you are talking about.
178IQ? lol pure dream
ohtani has TWO unanimous mvps, + a 2nd place finish over the last three seasons. He also has a 4th place cy young to go with his 420 fantastic innings.
Here’s the news:
There is no news.
Yeah more clickbait
Perhaps the news is that there is no new news about this news topic.
Really, the title of the article should have been, “Nothing new news, but feel free to comment anyway, we need the ad clicks”
We would have posted there just as we did here lol
DBH – I think I won another bet, my friend … it’s after December 2nd ;O)
If I recall, I said the winter meetings, no? o.0
Thank you. Just wasting everyone’s time. I love the offseason for all of the trades and signings but HATE the “rumors” that don’t provide any sort of meaningful information.
If they didn’t provide this article we’d all be wondering what’s going on with Ohtani.
“Is he close to something or is he not” Etc “Who’s he talking to, who fell out” etc.
Come on guys, you’re being so critical.
If you want only transactions that have transpired, go to ESPN.
If you want the word on the street and the latest info every day, even if there’s no new info, you come here.
ohtani to the cowboys? We’ll debate it for 2hr then debate it for another 2hr with the same people but different host. After that we’ll find out what LeBron thinks about it on sportscenter. Stay tuned to ESPN
what was the name of this website again…?
Damn these “rumors” on this rumors website!
[FREE] rumors website
Curious to see which team will pay half a billion dollars to be working for Ohtani.
“Working for Ohtani”…You almost made me lose my coffee. That was funny.
Maybe he’s not that far off?
He’s going to take his talents to Miami
South Beach
And announce it on a lame TV special?
Where he will sing karaoke?
Sorry, couldn’t resist, knowing my Japanese friends’ love for that.
And what song will he pick? Hopefully not “I Love LA”!
He seems like such a decent guy. I hope he chooses a place where he will be happy and not the highest bidder. I watched Albert return to STL where he was invigorated and had so much fun his last year. He should have stayed in STL
Yeah maybe Albert wouldn’t have coasted for six years if he had stayed in StL.
Maybe cards introduced chit supplier to him.
Media wants to milk this all they can. They would be happier if this thing drags out until spring training.
I know I’m not going out on a limb here, as this may be an obvious take, but I would be very surprised to see him sign with anyone other than the Dodgers or Angels. If he truly wants to win, he’ll pick the Dodgers. They offer him a contending club every year and the west coast.The only thing the Angels offer is that comfortable feeling. When you’re talking about a long-term deal at more than 500M, don’t discount his being comfortable as a strong factor. That said, it’s going to be the Dodgers. I’d like it to be my Cubs, but why would he pick them over the Dodgers? It just doesn’t make sense.
Yeah my guess is he likes the area, the money isn’t going to be much different. That’s why he picked the angels in the first place. the only difference is the dodgers have a dh spot now.
dodgers don’t get past the first round though
I’m not sure if he really cares about that just going off his past destination list, and the fact he picked the angels the first time because he doesn’t leak anything it’s all speculation.
This is gonna be the most boring Winter Meetings of all time if both Ohtani and Yamamoto want to decide after they’ve concluded.
The longer he waits the more pressure there are for trades. And it couldn’t be more boring than last years meetings
I don’t really feel like he impacts trades that much as a DH/SP. Teams aren’t gonna be pressured to get Glasnow or Soto cuz Ohtani is taking his time
If there is any legitimacy to young Yamamoto being like Pedro Martinez, I may be in the minority who finds his decision to be more compelling.
Hes publicly said he doesnt want rumors. Yet yall run with every tweet that says sources said….
There are no sources.
I shamed him by clicking on this click bait lol. I couldn’t help myself !
John Heyman just tweeted that the Giants have signed Arson Ohtani
*Shoehorn Ohtani
As per autocorrect anyway
Nice now he can join Arson Judge and @gfan- your favorite player tough guy!
Member that time you thought of something new ?
Ya, me neither.
Yes…sure seems like the tea leaves are pointing to Miami..sorry LA
Better chance of signing with the Miami Heat than the Marlins
LOL
one guy holding up the majority of off-season activity , come on buddy, make your decision
Incredibly high risk and IMO, a foolish signing. The odds of him being a starting pitcher are long. Paying that money for a reliever (maybe) and an OF, is asinine. Of course MLB thinks he is thr greatest thing so the marketing money will help. Hard Pass.
Yet people want to trade prospects for Juan Soto so you can pay him 33 million this year and then either lose him or “hope” to pay him 450 million next winter.
Ohtani is the better deal. Especially after you add the stuff he can bring to your brand off the field
IMO Soto is a more valuable player IF Ohtani can’t pitch. so, there is that.
Thanks for wasting my time with a useless article. Knock it off please.
If you want TRANSACTIONS only, go to Yahoo sports. If you want daily updates of things happening or not happening, but to know the latest, come here.
And why was this a waste of time? Headline says latest on the dude. You now have the latest on the dude. Where’s the misrepresentation? I don’t get some of you people.
While I agree with the sentiment, please tell me what new rumor was listed in this article? I don’t see anything that hasn’t already been reported on this site, do you?
I do. The timing info from Morosi and Nightengale. Pretty sure that was new.
It has been reported repeatedly that he would make his choice around the time of the winter meetings. Again, nothing new
It was new to me. I don’t do X. So I’m thankful.
DBH, but that’s exactly it. There’s been no movement. If there was you would have known it because MLB trade rumors is on top of it almost every single day.
If you just want the transaction go to Yahoo, go to SI, whatever. But over there you won’t know if there’s any traction developing.
That’s all I’m saying. I come here to see if there’s a sniff of anything, perhaps he’s narrowed it down to a couple of teams? Whatever the latest “RUMORS” are.
I agree on that, Gary. We come here, browse topics, and forum hore lol. This site is still 10000% better than the MLB site or fox or yahoo. It is fun to debate, argue, bounce different ideas and views.
Hi Gary, some people are just miserable and like to spread their negativity to bring others down too, this is mostly prevalent online in social media, less so in real life but true there too. I’m appreciative of all the hard work that they do at MLBTR and for the informative posters here too. It’s hard to ignore the doomers but move on if you can and spread joy to counteract them. Happy winter meetings to everyone!
@alaska No, thank YOU sir for wasting OUR time reading a comment complaining about YOUR time being wasted.
Winter meetings about to get reallll busy. Powder keg about to explode and pivots will be made.
The teams that rule themselves out may have a leg up with the “other” free agents over those who are waiting for him to commit, Will be interesting to see how they use it.
Cmon Jed. Bring Ohtani home to Shocago
I predicted LAD. And right now, I’m 0-for-2023.
Farhan offered to rename Mcovey cove Shohie’s Pond
Along with a blank check, a contract with fill in the blank years section, and multiple opt outs.
Yes and we can throw in the bay bridge he can collect all the tolls for life
That will be a heck of an expense for koi fish to fill that pond!
Its going to be the Cubs.
I actually have the same feeling right now weirdly
I hope so. Any team but the Dodgers would be better for baseball.
Sf sf sf sf please sign him!
The team that is signing him will work to keep it off of the airwaves so it doesn’t create leverage opportunities.
Whatever Bob Nightengale says it usually ends up being the opposite so…
Probably the Dodgers but Giants will likely make a strong push.
I think the longer this logjam of free agents goes on, the less and less chance a team like the Giants or Cubs have of signing Ohtani. Ohtani has made it clear he wants to win; and both those teams need multiple pieces to be considered a perennial contender. You’d think it’d be in their best interest to try and go get another big signing on the books to demonstrate to Ohtani that they mean business about competing.
He’s signing with Seattle.
Not a chance at North of 500 Mil.
He must Honor Ichiro San.
I don’t mind articles like this at all. This sight has given many a happy an hour of reading.
The latest on Ohtani is that today is Sunday.
Dodger fan hoping he does not sign with the Dodgers – too much to invest for a one dimensional player – offensive numbers are great but would prefer using the money to sign 2 arms and maybe reunite with Bellinger
One dimensional player? Wut?! He’s literally the opposite of that, pitches and hits. MVP caliber pitcher and hitter. It’s like having two players taking up one roster spot, your top starter and top hitter account for one spot. Sure he’ll be a DH for the first year out of probably a 12 year deal around 550-600MM, with I’d imagine an opt out or three. Bellinger on the deal MLBTR estimated for him would be a way bigger risk, even at half the commitment than Shohei gets, imo would be regretful concerning Belli. A guy who they just non-tendered?! I don’t see it. Spending 25M per over 5-6 years on Montgomery or Snell (he’ll cost more) annually, coupled with Bellinger at 5-6 years at 25M per, I’d *still* prefer Ohtani over a pitcher and a hitter at the same price Ohtani gets. He’s electrifying.
He’s like a 6 dimensional player
I’m with you. too much money for one player. not with you on reuniting with Bellinger though.
saw too many years of blah to want it back.
Ohtani is great but two arm surgeries gets to everyone. No clear position, especially with Freeman solid.
I’d pass if it was up to me but play along and Jack up the price for SF.
LA has too many needs for that kind of outlay for one player.
Rumors has it that this is just clickbait.
Which is one of the reasons why most teams have moved on from the window display candy! The Dodgers have been quite regarding Ohtani which means they think they’ve reeled him in
Nippon-Ham Fighters will shock the baseball world and sign Ohtani
As a fan of a team that definitely won’t sign him, I hope Ohtani re-signs with the Angels so there’s no risk of him crushing my team in the playoffs.
Your Mets will eventually find water.
Did they buy a horse?
Nor a Mets fan. And I doubt they will.
I hear Tampa Bay and Baltimore are dark horses.
If he’s holding up the market he needs to get signed so YY can get signed and the rest of the market gets going
I’m sorry, no one is worth that much money. Whoever signs it will regret it as he’s turning 30 and has already been sidelined as a pitcher. Good for a fanbase though, if that’s the goal.
I’m still doubting that it’s Toronto. Let me be wrong.
I wouldn’t give him 300 million, let alone 500-600 million. He’s already had a tommy john surgery and now another elbow surgery. It won’t be long before he starts breaking down completely.
DDC – mlb players are paid on a ridiculous scale few can relate to..but do you truly believe any team would commit that amount of money without A. Having thier doctors fully evalute him and B.obtaining some sort of insurance or at least building in an injury out clause to mitigate at least some of the financial risk? Your post kind of implies these team would not cya..maybe you are right but that seems hard to believe
Those numbers are bad for baseball and for the fans.
Wrong
If he was that great how come he couldn’t get Angels to playoffs in his 6 years there. It’s a team sport not just one guy.
Imagine how bad they would have been if he played somewhere else for those 6 years…..
Who knows, maybe they would have been better?
After all, the Nationals won the World Series after Harper left.
Baseball is unlike hockey and basketball were 2 or 3 great to elite can get you to the playoffs were anything can happen
Because the Angels sucked.
With the Home Runs and Pitching Factor, He’s the most Watchable Player int he game right now. $50 mil a year for a team to invest in that with Local TV opportunities, National TV opportunities, Merchandise, Butts in the Seats, everything else you can use him to sell your team to the World ! Totally worth it. As long as he keeps hitting Home Runs.
There comes a point where it’s too much of a risk to throw that much money at 1 player. Good luck with that “first $600MM man”
Well, all the usual suspects bidding for Ohtani have been quiet, so there is some truth to the fact that all these other free agents won’t sign until Ohtani picks someone and then the teams that didn’t sign him, will start to pivot to other players.
I think the money ends up being between 500 and 600 million. Still a glimmer of hope my Cubbies sign him.
$500-plus million for a DH seems crazy. He’s already entering his age 29/30 season. For how many more years can he stay elite with the bat? Two? Three? Five? Huge huge huge gamble for the acquiring team.
Its insane for sure. I thought about it last night and if you pay 25 for a top tier pitcher and 20 for an elite DH then your at 45 a year for him. It depends on each team value on what 1 WAR is worth. Teams value it from my understanding anywhere from 7-12M per war, so lets say he averages 5 WAR over the next 8 years at 9m per 1WAR thatS 45M per season for 8 years. I think he gets 9-12 years so 600M is insane but he brings insane value in marketing so theres that. 12M per WAR gets you to the 600M range but theres no way he keeps this insane carrer stat line going anywhere past 6-7 years. Then he likely goes to starting fulltime, batting those days and DHing maybe 80ish games. So the back 3rd of his contact your going to be getting #1-3 starter pitching and a good bat for 65% or so of your games. This is how i see everything how does anyone else feel?
Tiny Mind!
Ohtani will sign with the Marlins
Ohtani to sign with the Marlins
Hey, I ain’t paying no 600
Hey, I ain’t paying no 500….
Hey, I just am not paying anything
And his own tears winning 70-75 games a year.
Rumor has it my softball team is really kicking his tires. Literally.
Is Matt Stairs on your team
Ha! No, but the offer keeps escalating!
=)
The water’s warm… 650! Do we hear 700?
Anything under $650 million is a bargain. You’re getting a frontline SP and one of the top power hitters and run producers in the fame.
Difference in Stanton and Ohtani is that Stanton was already getting injured when he was in his early 20s. And not any of us Marlins fans, at least those of us with common sense, supported that contract for him.
With this said, I would say that really no contract longer than several years ever works out. You end up with the backend of those deals with the player getting far more than they’re worth for at least a couple of seasons.
Lol after 2nd TH surgery the odds drop significantly especially for a player used to pitching every 6 days.
OK, I’ll play Devil’s Advocate. Let’s say the second surgery affects his pitching upon his return. With the salary commitment, you think they won’t exhaust all sorts of pitching roles to salvage a great deal of the contract from the pitching side? Let’s say he no longer can start, but goes either into a high leverage relief role like a Closer or a super reliever like Andrew Miller mastered? You think Shohei couldn’t handle getting outs for a few or even just one inning? If he does that, he’s worth the current market value of what a Closer (see Edwin Diaz) or what Andrew Miller would command in the current market (see what he made in his time).
“Ohtani is believed to already have received multiple bids well north of $500MM, and some speculate he could even wind up as baseball’s first $600MM man.”
That’s a lot of money for a guy that’ll be a career DH.
An elite DH who is also a frontline SP.
Who has had 2 TJ surgeries in a span of 4 years before age 30.
There have literally been 2 starting pitchers in the history of the game that have had some level of success after 2 surgeries. The likelihood that Ohtani will be a 3rd for any reasonable amount of time moving forward is so incredibly low, you have to assume he’ll be a career DH.
Ohtani is one of the best athlete’s in the world. He will either pitch and DH for most of the contract or he will be an above average OF. The idea that Ohtani is just a “DH” is a very low level thought process…
He’s had 2 TJ surgeries before age 30. Dude will get a 3rd in a couple years and be a career DH.
And when throwing out a “low level thought process” criticism, perhaps its wise to consider the thought before criticizing the person.
Everyone keeps saying that but if he can’t pitch he will likely play OF. He regularly played 50 plus games a year in the OF in Japan and was considered to be very good defensively. I believe he is considered good enough to play CF. A CF with his offensive stats would be worth a ton of money.
Ok. Let’s throw a list of teams that realistically can afford to pay 50-60 million AAV for Ohtani. I would see Braves are out.
Jays will offer him the $$$ and his own TV channel lol
wait… like, I don’t get it eh
600,000,000 loonies?! That’s a lot of coin!
Jays always pay players in USD
$600 million for a guy that has never played in the postseason. It is slightly more understandable to see ridiculous amounts of money paid to quarterbacks in the NFL or NBA superstars because those guys can basically take a team to the playoffs just by being on the team. But baseball is the ultimate team sport. Ohtani is very good, but he is not 10 times better than the average DH you can get for $5-6 million per year.
In baseball, one guy is not enough to get the club to the postseason. But one guy (and the consensus #1 in all of MLB) can certainly move the needle for a team that’s got the other pieces in place.
Remember, too, that any team that signs him is signing the Babe Ruth of our time. The excitement of that, let alone the merchandizing, is worth its weight in gold.
Check your history. Babe Ruth stopped pitching after 5 years. Ohtani will likely never pitch again after this latest injury. The human body can only take so much. He is not a super hero. Someone is going to be paying $50-60 million per year for a DH.
And even if he does pitch, with his expanded rest schedule you still have to have 5 other starters. Just not worth the money, except in merchandise sales.
And he is not “consensus” #1 in all of MLB. He is definitely top 10, but let’s not pretend that some people would not prefer Acuna or Judge or Betts or Trout or Harper or anyone else.
Insane amount of money for one player (while is both a starter and position player) who’s arm apparently breaks down every couple of seasons restricting him to either DH or a fielder. If he wants to win, then asking for the kind of money he is apparently asking for (or being offered) will restrict any teams ability to sign other players that will be a good supporting cast around him. Never mind the reports about him really wanting to stay on the west coast. My guess is a West team lands him, but will need to insanely overpay in which case his dream for playing for a contender will likely not happen. Lets be real. The Angels had both him and possibly the other greatest ball player in Trout and the Angels did nothing because they other moves either did not pan out or they did not have enough left for the rest of the roster to be built. While it may hide some warts on a club it does not remove them. I get that teams are also looking at the marketing aspect, but if you want to be a legit club always in contention year in and year out, a guy like Ohtani is not going to be make that happen unless he happens to find an insanely well run org that has the ability for bringing in good prospects year in and out.However, if that is the case does that team want to risk not being able to sign its other stars to bring in a guy who at this time is a two way player, but another arm injury and Im guessing he will be a great position player only. If I were Ohtani and really want to win Id go to Atlanta, but again since its on the east coast I doubt it happens..
I’m still waiting hear about the players who didn’t get an overpay. According to posters here, that’s exactly none.
Giants and angels have no chance
If he wanted dodgers he could have picked them when he came here. Cubs aren’t good enough yet.
Jays will outbid everyone they have 5 year licenses to sell this year. They will give him vlads cash, jays can’t count on him. They will trade all their prospects if they have to, players don’t care about prospects
They will double down on soto to keep him away from yanks if manoah is good enough for SD. SD wants players not prospects
Jays wanna bring back the 90s
Sorry, any team that does 600 million is stupid.
I love MLBTR, but I wish you guys could just ignore Heyman, or at least add a disclaimer! He’s such a shill for Boras and other agents. It’s ALWAYS about “more teams bidding up the price” on ANY free agent. And usually he even turns out to be full of crap.
Why does everybody here treat Shohei Ohtani like he’s just another free agent
Do me a favor and find out for yourself what Shohei Ohtani would mean to Rogers Communications. While you’re at it look at who rates the highest on TV, is a huge market that feels like a small one (not nyy, lad), has cutting edge technology and renovating further — i got that this was probably most important to him from the many things I’ve seen.
Discounting Toronto and the unique differentiation they have in multiple ways is something that needs to stop being overlooked. I’d handicap at 33% jays.
And what’s the odds he tops judges homers in Toronto
People grossly overestimate the tv deal/merch sale stuff with superstar FAs.
But it’s also a high number. If this is about money, which I don’t think it is, the Jays could win that too.
Of course there’s risk. But the potential for unprecedented things is also there.
He’s secretive but several things about him have all lined him up as a perfect fit. What does LAD actually substantially have going for it that Toronto doesn’t other than its out West? A seemingly trivial factor given known information.
Im not saying they’re the favorites but I’m saying they are being vastly underestimated
This will be a long term contract, undoubtedly he will falter as a pitcher before he falters as a hitter. Someone is going to wind up paying a lot of money for a DH.
Rez, the answer to your question about Japanese values can be summed up in one of their old sayings: “The nail that sticks up will get hammered down.” Japanese kids are taught to not intentionally make a spectacle of themselves.
My gut says nobody has made any offer of significance. Yes everyone would love to have him, but who wants to tie up that much of their payroll for one player. If gets hurt or declines during the later years your screwed.
We all know they are trying to hype the numbers. 1/2 billion for a guy who is going to be a DH for a year? And possibly have a crap year coming off surgery… his agent with the garbage- low profile talks etc… it’s because no one is calling and / or no one is close to 1/2 billion. Great hitter, put him at DH yes, or wear him out like Trout in the outfield? And come on, he’s good for what 8-9 wins? If anything that’s just going to wear him out early too. He’s an average pitcher at best and clearly puts up Judge numbers, but hasn’t hit 50 HRs yet. Let alone 60! I predict he will sign a 1 year contract for 30-50 million if someone is desperate to sell tickets and see where his arm in in a year.
Just walk away from Ohtani. Way too much money for him not to maybe pitch ever again.
He’s not even a 15 game winner. He’s not worth it as a pitcher. He’s a great DH. That’s all. maybe use him as a 5 or 6 pitcher to give an ace an extra day off.
lol wins
If he can’t pitch he’ll transition and be just fine as an outfielder for quite some time
That’s why his agent is claiming that they want to keep the situation quiet… lol because there’s nothing to talk about. Not even the Mets would sign a $500,000,000 DH.
It’s a lie. He was paid to print that to try to get that money from Somewhere. He will sign with the Angels for 1 year again. .
Whatever team signs him to $500 or $600 million is a dumb franchise. That contract will be a train wreck. A good chance he can’t pitch to the same level after a second TJ, so you are basically paying all that money for a DH. Fans will get excited he signed, then complain in a couple years when he is declining and the contract can’t be moved.
This will wind up being the worst contract the dodgers have given out since Kevin Brown
Except that the Kevin Brown contract worked out very well for the Dodgers as he had five excellent seasons with LA. It was the Yankees that got burned when he was traded.
Someone not as likely to land him as LAD/Cubs trying to make it really hard to say no with a stretched out 12/540mil (45 AAV)….like Giants or Toronto?
600 would be asinine, especially with his pitching in question
It only takes one a$$ who will pay it.
15/850 Kansas City Royals! Salvy is the bridge to the future!
500m to I hear 510…510 do I hear 520…520. Do I hear 550…600 going once going twice
If I were a team trying to win him over, I’d go outside the box in my pitch (pardon the pun) to him. He isn’t pitching next year so I’d offer him a contract that is split between his hitting and pitching. Just throwing out random ballpark numbers but instead of a flat 10 years/650 million I’d offer him a contract that pays him the equivalent but split say 35 mil a year for his hitting and 30 mil for his pitching.
I’d also decrease his pitch load and offer him to pitch only one day a week like he did in Japan.
Your offer would be turned down
Spitballing: $45MM base salary + $1.3MM per 15 IP. At 150 IP a season, he’d make $61.5MM.
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Dear Santa…
I find it hilarious that fans are appalled at contract numbers like it is their own money. These owners can afford it and marketing ohtani will make them plenty of bank. As a cubs fan, give him a billion for all I care. It’s not my money.
But it is our money. We pay in the end. Baseball tickets used to be cheap and player salaries used to be cheap. I thought you knew this?
You must have slept through Econ 101.
Do I hear a billion? A billion going once, a billion going twice…
Look at the number of comments on this piece. That’s what Ohtani brings to the team making the best offer: attention, status, recognition, all worth tons of money! He may get hurt and he may not ever bring a championship to that team but these folks know what they’re doing. Winning here is like winning a championship.
The giants and angels have no shoot of signing Ohtani. Giants stadium is not a hitter friendly , and giant won’t sign any free agents.
I don’t see how a 600 million dollar contract could work. Ohtani is 29 if you give him just a $45million 12 year contract ($540million) he’s there until he is 41. No way a contending team could afford this contract and be competitive in future years. Yet if you raise it to $600 million your in the $50 million a year range. I predict whomever takes on this contract will be having a fire sale soon afterwards..
A team like the Dodgers regularly run payrolls in the mid- to upper-200 million range, and the luxury tax salary level keeps increasing. It will be quite a bit higher 5, 6, 8 and 12 years on. They can also structure deferred payments as they did with Mookie to get to a total of $600 million, but in reality a lower luxury tax hit. Not entirely disagreeing, but it’s a select group of teams that can afford, or will opt to afford, to do this. I suspect he’d easily be worth $50 million (and more) a year in both on-field contributions as well as revenue from business and marketing contributions.
I must be the only person who understands that as we sit here today, Ohtani is only a DH. And there is a good chance he won’t be able to get back to a top tier pitcher after his second TJ surgery. There is no way I would pay him more than 15m for 2024 as a hitter only. Then, I would only agree to an AAV starting in 2025 riddled with innings incentives that would max out at about 40AAV for the remainder of the contract, assuming 10 years total. I would also get him thinking about playing first base. If he can’t pitch, then throwing from the outfield would be problematic too. 600m? That’s ridiculous. I don’t care how much revenue he generates.
You’d better get on the phone right away. Some team is about to throw big coin at Ohtani without your special knowledge.
blue – Snarky as always I see. I am not imparting some “special knowledge” that I am pretending to have, as many do on this site. I am rendering my opinion, which is based on objective facts: 1) As we sit here today, Ohtani is a DH only in 2024 – not worth 50m for the year. In my opinion, worth about 15m. 2) Ohtani’s future as a pitcher after two TJ surgeries in three years is very uncertain. So any team signing him to a huge deal is paying him for a short historic window of two-way success.
In the real world, any contract “should” have innings incentives and buy-outs for both player and team once he starts pitching again. In the non-real world of baseball player contracts, some team will pay him the 600m with no bail-outs and regret it soon after (again, my opinion). I hope it is not the Angels.
Ha. Sorry for pointing out that you are suggesting you know more about the business of baseball and how to evaluate player values than the people who own the teams and spend hundreds of millions of their own dollars on them. I mean, obviously! So, I humbly ask your forgiveness for questioning whether you posses the only objective truth. You are truly the only one who understands. My bad!
Again, blue, this is my opinion on how I would approach an Ohtani contract. The 2 points I made are objective truths about Ohtani’s current situation. 1) As we sit here today, Ohtani is a DH only in 2024 – not worth 50m for the year. In my opinion, worth about 15m. 2) Ohtani’s future as a pitcher after two TJ surgeries in three years is very uncertain.
Are you suggesting those two facts are subjective and open to interpretation?
Again, you are the one who said you are the only one who truly understands, so that got a response you should have expected. And you certainly don’t need to explain the Ohtani situation to me, let alone to the teams bidding on his services. I’m pretty sure they understand it too, along with a whole lot else that we don’t know. Accordingly… I am not going to guess at what he’s “worth” as this seems to be a classic fool’s errand. Based on what we know about his situation, my only guess is that he will get a creative contract including performance bonuses and opt-outs, and the earning potential will be huge, even if not guaranteed.
Ohtani had a .304/.412/.654/1.066 slash line, 184 OPS+, and hit 44 HR while missing a month because of an injury to his pitching arm. He has shown a steady increase in hitting skills over his time in the majors He is just about the best hitter in baseball. So even if he never pitched another game in his career, he would still be incredibly valuable.
Also, with his speed and athleticism, if he was unable to pitch he can still throw well enough to be able to play the field. Just because he can’t throw 100 times per game, doesn’t mean he can’t throw 5-6 times per game from the OF. Ohtani the RF?
He will be able to DH from opening day according to his camp, so his salary will not be depressed even a dime in 2024.
Either way he is worth at least as much as Judge in AAV. 12 years with a $40 million AAV is still $480 million.
Then you have to consider the value Ohtani brings off the field that Judge cannot approach. Ohtani made $37 million in endorsement money and Arte Moreno said he brought the Angels $30 million in sponsorship money. That doesn’t include the revenue that comes from people coming to the ballpark just to see Ohtani play. Its a higher percentage than any player in baseball. There were tour busses that brought Japanese tourists to Angels games.
So Ohtani will undoubtedly surpass $500 million. On top of that, I am sure that the team that signs him will take into account the possibility of not pitching and make incentives contingent on hitting milestones like 15, 20, and 25 starts per season.
Gotta be the Cards Goldy coming off the books/traded, Arenado can be traded that leaves payroll space. sign 2 pitchers on short contracts to cover Shohei Mo is up to something here read the signs people.
No player is worth that much
Then why would a team sign him for that much? Article says there’s already been offers well north of 500 million.
You get Ohtani, you get the whole of Japan following his exploits with your team. Over there, I am told he is a god to them baseball wise and they follow his every move. I have friends here who are asked if they got to see him play live.
Just think of what the superstations did for the Braves, Cubs, and Mets back in the day growing their fanbase. Those folks in Japan will buy your mechandise with Ohtani connected too.
Heck, I’d ditch Bally’s and start the Ohtani network, with English and Japanese versions, streaming worldwide. Give him 10 percent of the profits. (I get this picture of Jim Day dubbed in Japanese like an old movie suddenly.) Some PR genius probably has 100 more ideas.
So I get why folks are willing to lay out that kind of cash.
Except Bob. His cat told me he can’t get decent kitty litter and has to settle for the bargain brand instead of Meow Mix.
Its The Dodgers..He knows it will be 540 at 12 years Ohtani just hopes some other team is crazy enough to pay him stupid money like The Dodgers are willing to do….
This may sound crazy but I would not want Ohtani. He would suck up 20 to 25 % of a team’s salary even on big spenders. That rarely is a formula for winning.
Whatever team signs him (cubs) will have to hire an entire marketing team just for him. He’s baseball’s biggest draw, worth every dime. Poor angels, they really messed up by not trading him at the deadline.
Have a few things going to share from things we overheard while here for our anniversary. 1st one about Ohtani. On two different occasions I heard people say that he was not going to sign on the East Coast. One guy with a CBS polo said, “Not even with the Yankees? Thought they made a huge offer?” The guy he was talking to said, “especially not with the Yankees”. That was something I didn’t expect.
Never heard anything about him going back to play for the Angels though, so I think Arte is not in the running.
Shoot, closed it too quick.
Overheard a guy from MLB Network, Dan O’Dowd?, say “The Giants offered HOW much? Wow. I didn’t expect that. Will the Dodgers really match that?”
Couldn’t hear the amount, but whatever it was surprised the guy from MLB Network.
Nice inside information. Thank you for sharing.
Giants make a lot of sense from a lot of different angles. Perhaps especially since they swung at and struck out on a couple other massive contracts.
If that is true then the Giants may have eliminated themselves from the running by allowing that info to leak. Apparently he is holding any info leaked against the team that allowed it to leak.
Are you kidding? Some fan overhearing a conversation in a place crawling with reporters and FO people? No player or agent is stupid enough to cancel negotiations just because of something like that.
Now if the team came out and said something about being in negotiations with him, that might sway him some. But for a half billion dollars? Not likely.
That is not what I mean. Someone would have had to tell Dan O’Dowd that information. If that info is out then someone leaked it.
Ohtani met with the Giants on Saturday in San Francisco and was seen at Oracle Park.
Today he was in Dunedin at the Blue Jays spring training complex.
Both of those things were leaked, but its doubtful he is cutting both teams out. FAr more likely that those teams are among the finalists for his services.
Here’s what we know, in a nutshell
Whatever he signs for, it’ll be the worst contact in sports within 3 years
The man is definitely one of the best to ever play the game, but it’s hard to understand a team committing this much money to someone who’s proven he can’t stay healthy doing what he does.
He’d almost assuredly end up on an innings count within a few years.
I read in an article that experts have estimated that Ohtani would be worth roughly 15-30 million for off field contributions. Not sure if that is on a yearly basis or not.
The Angels said that Ohtani was worth $30 million in team sponsorships. He also was a huge draw at the gate with many people coming just to see him.