1:32PM: The numbers continue to escalate for Ohtani, as Jon Heyman of the New York Post writes that “Ohtani is believed to already have received multiple bids well north of $500MM, and some speculate he could even wind up as baseball’s first $600MM man.”
11:49AM: Shohei Ohtani’s free agent sweepstakes have been largely shrouded in mystery, as Ohtani and agent Nez Balelo have specifically prioritized a low profile approach to perhaps the most high-profile free agency in baseball history. As such, there has been a lot of speculation and relatively little facts about Ohtani’s market, though there are some indications that the two-time AL MVP might be coming somewhat closer to a decision.
MLB Network’s Jon Morosi (X link) hears from a source that Ohtani “is likely to” make his choice within the week, though this timeline could indicate that the news could come after the Winter Meetings have concluded. USA Today’s Bob Nightengale has a slightly different timeline, indicating that Ohtani will make his choice “certainly before the Christmas holidays” but also more than a week from now, so roughly mid-December.
It isn’t a stretch to say that whenever Ohtani does make the call, it will automatically become the most pivotal day of the offseason calendar. Ohtani is widely expected to sign the largest contract in baseball history, and thus his free agency has to some extent held up the market as a whole. Such known suitors as the Angels, Dodgers, Blue Jays, Giants, and Cubs have largely held off on any other major business until they know if they’ll be adding a $500MM+ Ohtani contract to their long-term payroll plans. As such, several top players have yet to make their own free agent decisions, waiting for these big-spending potential suitors to more fully engage in the rest of the market — and possibly be more eager to spend elsewhere after missing out on Ohtani.
Since it’s only December 3, it’s worth reminding that the offseason isn’t even at the halfway point yet, and Ohtani is hardly taking any sort of unusually long time in deciding on his next team. Given the sport-altering amounts of money involved and how any free agent decision big or small is a life-changing decision for a player, it would’ve been more surprising if Ohtani had already made his choice this relatively early into the winter.
So little is known about Ohtani’s thought process that it is hard to say whether or not the aforementioned five teams (or any possible mystery teams) could be true finalists. However, the last few days has seen the Red Sox, Rangers, and Mets reportedly all step back from the Ohtani sweepstakes in some sense, perhaps indicating that the bidding has either gotten too high, or that Ohtani’s camp has given some indication that these three clubs are no longer in consideration.
Wheeler Dealer
He knows where he’s gonna sign just do it already
RobM
If he’s made up his mind, I can see the announcement happening during the Winter Meetings. If he needs to meet further (in person), then this doesn’t happen until after the meetings. I’m still having a difficult time seeing any team not named the Dodgers being his next team.
RunDMC
I guessed LAD, so it def won’t be them. SF couldn’t land a free agent if they were the only bidder. I’d think Angels have a better shot than SF.
dpsmith22
I hope the Angel’s have learned from their crazy contracts. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
RunDMC
Arte learn new tricks?
Boxscore
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz…. then more zzzzzz’s
deweybelongsinthehall
SO’s low key approach suggests to me that he doesn’t want a conference with everyone at the hotel and I’m thinking he’ll announce his decision immediately after the winter meetings end.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
I’m like Rip Van Winkle, wake me up when it’s over
Some team will overpay & then start complaining about it 5 years later.
agnes gooch
Complain in 5 years Curly? How about complain in a few months? Lolol!
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
You are correct gooch, 5 years was way too generous an assessment.
Lloyd Fries
If picks SF he can poop wherever he wants.
RedFraggle
The Angel’s what?
agnes gooch
Oh Lloyd, wow that is such an original take, I don’t know where you ever came up with that, it is ingenious! NOT! So sick of the same stupid comment over and over and over. SF is gorgeous! Yes there are homeless people like any big city but only on a few streets, the rest are beautiful! I live here, I walk and bike the streets every single day. Come and see for yourself instead of cowering behind your keyboard and repeating tired pablum.
scottn59c
And get free sandwiches for life at Ike’s. That tips the scale for me!
RunDMC
@agnes gooch — it’s a great comment if mentioned out of irony, considering it’s actually a talking point in a major political forum right now. When a candidate brings out a poop map of a city to make a point — what great metaphor of the current state of politics than that? As someone that’s run a business in a major hub of NYC for years — it could have its own map, but is that really the low-hanging fruit that we’re focusing on instead of issues that do warrant time during a debate? Middle school debates wouldn’t even venture into that area.
Lloyd Fries
It’s a pile
aragon
If so, why would US President and Chinese counterpart chose SF to have a meeting there?
prov356
aragon – It’s been widely reported that SF cleaned up the streets specifically for their visit. SF is not close to the city it once was. It’s a wreck, like the rest of California, Chicago, NY, et al.
Candlestoked
@Run Wake up. Giants sign FA every year.
larry48
If he picks SF personnel security will cost 250,000 a year or more.
johnnynoitall
Once a team signs him they’ll make it all back on apparel sales.
l9ydodger
If Ohtani had been with the Dodgers from the beginning, I can just hear the Dodgers writers & fans saying “don’t sign him to that huge of a contract, it’s an albatross!
Two Tommy John surgeries already?
Let him walk, he not worth that kind of money. However, the shoes on the other foot now. He supposedly worth 500 mil or more! CRAZY!!
Shadow_Banned
Vegas odds has the Dodgers as favorite so it won’t be them. I’m guessing the Blue Jays or Giants and rangers as a dark horse.
Buyer beware on this used BMW. Those things always break down
WestVillageTiger
Toronto would be a fabulous story that would run for months. So it won’t happen either.
SimbaHOF2019
Cant imagine he would choose all the hassle that goes with playing in Canada. Also far from the west coast. He has a Home in Hawaii so i would guess he wants to be only a few hours away on the west coast.
bigdaddyt
If he gets 600 million I don’t think he’ll care if he has to fly a extra 3 hrs a couple times a year. Also maybe the jays be like here take our PJ to wherever you want whenever you want
This one belongs to the Reds
He is being deliberate, making the best decision for him and his family, as he knows it will most likely be his last contract…or the last big one.
deweybelongsinthehall
He knows what he wants and if it’s been offered, his agent understands the earlier he signs, the better it will be for his team with respect to other subsequent moves. Obviously, though if the money and years haven’t been offered, I’m wrong and it will drag out until the agent believes no better offers will be made.
OIC2021
He is attracted to Cleveland’s Chinatown area
Bobcastelliniscat
Toronto has a large Asian community.
THEHOUSETHATMOSEBYBUILT
‘for sure eh, I mean Asia has a large Toronto community…
Mike Rubin
Why would that be? He isn’t Chinese.
maxim1
Really, really poor taste.
Racism lives in you.
Captain-Judge99
Great a player with no position is goin get $600 million?
LetTheGoodTimesROFL
The Yankees are paying Judge, what? $100,000 per plate appearance?
larkraxm
Judge is predicted to have 658 plate appearances in 2024. At 100,000 per, he would make $65.8 million per season. Because of injuries, Judge had 458 plate appearances in 2023. At $40 million, AAV, he made about 87,000 per plate appearance. He smashed into and destroyed the right field wall in Dodger Stadium and rehabbed from it for free!
Captain-Judge99
They certainly are, but keep in mind Judge can play multiple positions right? That was my point and it went right over your head but not surprised though. Smh. Ohtani is a player with NO position in 2024.
LetTheGoodTimesROFL
Judge has never had more than 600 ABs in a season.
LetTheGoodTimesROFL
No it didn’t go over my head. Sure he plays multiple positions but for only about 65% of the games
larkraxm
You should let Fangraphs know that their projections are wrong! 2017= 678 PA, 2021= 663 PA, 2022 = 696 PA,
Poolhalljunkies
As a red sox fan i consider David Ortiz worth that in hindsight…every penny
rememberthecoop
I’m sure he knows, but his agent may be trying to drive the price up.
prodave
Not until he squeezes them for every last nickel.
tuna411
ohtani demands privacy, where are they getting these numbers?
178iq
He’s an average player for at least 1 season. He’s going to be a DH coming off surgery. No one is interested… he has only been offered 1 year contracts by 3 teams. That’s why the “talk are being kept quiet” because no one is talking. No one is calling his agent. No 1 team has offered a multi year contract. He will likely stay with the angels and waste another year in the footsteps of Trout. .
tuna411
@178iq … you have no idea what you are talking about.
178IQ? lol pure dream
ohtani has TWO unanimous mvps, + a 2nd place finish over the last three seasons. He also has a 4th place cy young to go with his 420 fantastic innings.
King Floch
Here’s the news:
There is no news.
Bobcastelliniscat
Yeah more clickbait
sosaspelledbackwardsisasos
Perhaps the news is that there is no new news about this news topic.
DBH1969
Really, the title of the article should have been, “Nothing new news, but feel free to comment anyway, we need the ad clicks”
We would have posted there just as we did here lol
Fever Pitch Guy
DBH – I think I won another bet, my friend … it’s after December 2nd ;O)
DBH1969
If I recall, I said the winter meetings, no? o.0
Travis’ Wood
Thank you. Just wasting everyone’s time. I love the offseason for all of the trades and signings but HATE the “rumors” that don’t provide any sort of meaningful information.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
If they didn’t provide this article we’d all be wondering what’s going on with Ohtani.
“Is he close to something or is he not” Etc “Who’s he talking to, who fell out” etc.
Come on guys, you’re being so critical.
If you want only transactions that have transpired, go to ESPN.
If you want the word on the street and the latest info every day, even if there’s no new info, you come here.
deuceball
ohtani to the cowboys? We’ll debate it for 2hr then debate it for another 2hr with the same people but different host. After that we’ll find out what LeBron thinks about it on sportscenter. Stay tuned to ESPN
Taejonguy
what was the name of this website again…?
AndyWarpath
Damn these “rumors” on this rumors website!
One Bite Hotdog
[FREE] rumors website
RobM
Curious to see which team will pay half a billion dollars to be working for Ohtani.
mlb fan
“Working for Ohtani”…You almost made me lose my coffee. That was funny.
AngelsFan1968
Maybe he’s not that far off?
marlinsfan818
He’s going to take his talents to Miami
baumann
South Beach
I.M. Insane
And announce it on a lame TV special?
This one belongs to the Reds
Where he will sing karaoke?
Sorry, couldn’t resist, knowing my Japanese friends’ love for that.
scottn59c
And what song will he pick? Hopefully not “I Love LA”!
anotherdamncardinalfan
He seems like such a decent guy. I hope he chooses a place where he will be happy and not the highest bidder. I watched Albert return to STL where he was invigorated and had so much fun his last year. He should have stayed in STL
baseballteam
Yeah maybe Albert wouldn’t have coasted for six years if he had stayed in StL.
aragon
Maybe cards introduced chit supplier to him.
Susannah
Media wants to milk this all they can. They would be happier if this thing drags out until spring training.
rememberthecoop
I know I’m not going out on a limb here, as this may be an obvious take, but I would be very surprised to see him sign with anyone other than the Dodgers or Angels. If he truly wants to win, he’ll pick the Dodgers. They offer him a contending club every year and the west coast.The only thing the Angels offer is that comfortable feeling. When you’re talking about a long-term deal at more than 500M, don’t discount his being comfortable as a strong factor. That said, it’s going to be the Dodgers. I’d like it to be my Cubs, but why would he pick them over the Dodgers? It just doesn’t make sense.
Rexhudler86
Yeah my guess is he likes the area, the money isn’t going to be much different. That’s why he picked the angels in the first place. the only difference is the dodgers have a dh spot now.
Neon Cop
dodgers don’t get past the first round though
Rexhudler86
I’m not sure if he really cares about that just going off his past destination list, and the fact he picked the angels the first time because he doesn’t leak anything it’s all speculation.
Kapler's Coconut Oil
This is gonna be the most boring Winter Meetings of all time if both Ohtani and Yamamoto want to decide after they’ve concluded.
Big whiffa
The longer he waits the more pressure there are for trades. And it couldn’t be more boring than last years meetings
Kapler's Coconut Oil
I don’t really feel like he impacts trades that much as a DH/SP. Teams aren’t gonna be pressured to get Glasnow or Soto cuz Ohtani is taking his time
cwsOverhaul
If there is any legitimacy to young Yamamoto being like Pedro Martinez, I may be in the minority who finds his decision to be more compelling.
birdmansns
Hes publicly said he doesnt want rumors. Yet yall run with every tweet that says sources said….
There are no sources.
Big whiffa
I shamed him by clicking on this click bait lol. I couldn’t help myself !
reno24
John Heyman just tweeted that the Giants have signed Arson Ohtani
coloredpaper
*Shoehorn Ohtani
As per autocorrect anyway
Captain-Judge99
Nice now he can join Arson Judge and @gfan- your favorite player tough guy!
gfan
Member that time you thought of something new ?
Ya, me neither.
Poolhalljunkies
Yes…sure seems like the tea leaves are pointing to Miami..sorry LA
Perksy
Better chance of signing with the Miami Heat than the Marlins
oldmanblue
LOL
gvnbuist
one guy holding up the majority of off-season activity , come on buddy, make your decision
dpsmith22
Incredibly high risk and IMO, a foolish signing. The odds of him being a starting pitcher are long. Paying that money for a reliever (maybe) and an OF, is asinine. Of course MLB thinks he is thr greatest thing so the marketing money will help. Hard Pass.
Aces5
Yet people want to trade prospects for Juan Soto so you can pay him 33 million this year and then either lose him or “hope” to pay him 450 million next winter.
Ohtani is the better deal. Especially after you add the stuff he can bring to your brand off the field
dpsmith22
IMO Soto is a more valuable player IF Ohtani can’t pitch. so, there is that.
alaskajdw
Thanks for wasting my time with a useless article. Knock it off please.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
If you want TRANSACTIONS only, go to Yahoo sports. If you want daily updates of things happening or not happening, but to know the latest, come here.
And why was this a waste of time? Headline says latest on the dude. You now have the latest on the dude. Where’s the misrepresentation? I don’t get some of you people.
DBH1969
While I agree with the sentiment, please tell me what new rumor was listed in this article? I don’t see anything that hasn’t already been reported on this site, do you?
foppert1
I do. The timing info from Morosi and Nightengale. Pretty sure that was new.
DBH1969
It has been reported repeatedly that he would make his choice around the time of the winter meetings. Again, nothing new
foppert1
It was new to me. I don’t do X. So I’m thankful.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
DBH, but that’s exactly it. There’s been no movement. If there was you would have known it because MLB trade rumors is on top of it almost every single day.
If you just want the transaction go to Yahoo, go to SI, whatever. But over there you won’t know if there’s any traction developing.
That’s all I’m saying. I come here to see if there’s a sniff of anything, perhaps he’s narrowed it down to a couple of teams? Whatever the latest “RUMORS” are.
DBH1969
I agree on that, Gary. We come here, browse topics, and forum hore lol. This site is still 10000% better than the MLB site or fox or yahoo. It is fun to debate, argue, bounce different ideas and views.
agnes gooch
Hi Gary, some people are just miserable and like to spread their negativity to bring others down too, this is mostly prevalent online in social media, less so in real life but true there too. I’m appreciative of all the hard work that they do at MLBTR and for the informative posters here too. It’s hard to ignore the doomers but move on if you can and spread joy to counteract them. Happy winter meetings to everyone!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@alaska No, thank YOU sir for wasting OUR time reading a comment complaining about YOUR time being wasted.
DugoutJester
Winter meetings about to get reallll busy. Powder keg about to explode and pivots will be made.
Mikenmn
The teams that rule themselves out may have a leg up with the “other” free agents over those who are waiting for him to commit, Will be interesting to see how they use it.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Cmon Jed. Bring Ohtani home to Shocago
I.M. Insane
I predicted LAD. And right now, I’m 0-for-2023.
GSWfanklay
Farhan offered to rename Mcovey cove Shohie’s Pond
gfan
Along with a blank check, a contract with fill in the blank years section, and multiple opt outs.
GSWfanklay
Yes and we can throw in the bay bridge he can collect all the tolls for life
This one belongs to the Reds
That will be a heck of an expense for koi fish to fill that pond!
desertbull
Its going to be the Cubs.
Ma4170
I actually have the same feeling right now weirdly
Augusto Barojas
I hope so. Any team but the Dodgers would be better for baseball.
GSWfanklay
Sf sf sf sf please sign him!
Braveslifer
The team that is signing him will work to keep it off of the airwaves so it doesn’t create leverage opportunities.
dshires4
Whatever Bob Nightengale says it usually ends up being the opposite so…
Buzzz Killington
Probably the Dodgers but Giants will likely make a strong push.
AndyWarpath
I think the longer this logjam of free agents goes on, the less and less chance a team like the Giants or Cubs have of signing Ohtani. Ohtani has made it clear he wants to win; and both those teams need multiple pieces to be considered a perennial contender. You’d think it’d be in their best interest to try and go get another big signing on the books to demonstrate to Ohtani that they mean business about competing.
Old York
He’s signing with Seattle.
ballgawd
Not a chance at North of 500 Mil.
9er78
He must Honor Ichiro San.
Texas Outlaw
I don’t mind articles like this at all. This sight has given many a happy an hour of reading.
JPR
The latest on Ohtani is that today is Sunday.
OCTraveler
Dodger fan hoping he does not sign with the Dodgers – too much to invest for a one dimensional player – offensive numbers are great but would prefer using the money to sign 2 arms and maybe reunite with Bellinger
AmericanRedneck
One dimensional player? Wut?! He’s literally the opposite of that, pitches and hits. MVP caliber pitcher and hitter. It’s like having two players taking up one roster spot, your top starter and top hitter account for one spot. Sure he’ll be a DH for the first year out of probably a 12 year deal around 550-600MM, with I’d imagine an opt out or three. Bellinger on the deal MLBTR estimated for him would be a way bigger risk, even at half the commitment than Shohei gets, imo would be regretful concerning Belli. A guy who they just non-tendered?! I don’t see it. Spending 25M per over 5-6 years on Montgomery or Snell (he’ll cost more) annually, coupled with Bellinger at 5-6 years at 25M per, I’d *still* prefer Ohtani over a pitcher and a hitter at the same price Ohtani gets. He’s electrifying.
Niceee
He’s like a 6 dimensional player
cencal
I’m with you. too much money for one player. not with you on reuniting with Bellinger though.
saw too many years of blah to want it back.
Ohtani is great but two arm surgeries gets to everyone. No clear position, especially with Freeman solid.
I’d pass if it was up to me but play along and Jack up the price for SF.
LA has too many needs for that kind of outlay for one player.
fonz13
Rumors has it that this is just clickbait.
WillieS
Which is one of the reasons why most teams have moved on from the window display candy! The Dodgers have been quite regarding Ohtani which means they think they’ve reeled him in
One Bite Hotdog
Nippon-Ham Fighters will shock the baseball world and sign Ohtani
baseballpun
As a fan of a team that definitely won’t sign him, I hope Ohtani re-signs with the Angels so there’s no risk of him crushing my team in the playoffs.
RunDMC
Your Mets will eventually find water.
This one belongs to the Reds
Did they buy a horse?
baseballpun
Nor a Mets fan. And I doubt they will.
AmericanRedneck
I hear Tampa Bay and Baltimore are dark horses.
geauxbraves
If he’s holding up the market he needs to get signed so YY can get signed and the rest of the market gets going
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I’m sorry, no one is worth that much money. Whoever signs it will regret it as he’s turning 30 and has already been sidelined as a pitcher. Good for a fanbase though, if that’s the goal.
I’m still doubting that it’s Toronto. Let me be wrong.
DarrenDreifortsContract
I wouldn’t give him 300 million, let alone 500-600 million. He’s already had a tommy john surgery and now another elbow surgery. It won’t be long before he starts breaking down completely.
Poolhalljunkies
DDC – mlb players are paid on a ridiculous scale few can relate to..but do you truly believe any team would commit that amount of money without A. Having thier doctors fully evalute him and B.obtaining some sort of insurance or at least building in an injury out clause to mitigate at least some of the financial risk? Your post kind of implies these team would not cya..maybe you are right but that seems hard to believe
richmond20657
Those numbers are bad for baseball and for the fans.
AndyWarpath
Wrong
azmacky
If he was that great how come he couldn’t get Angels to playoffs in his 6 years there. It’s a team sport not just one guy.
Dotnet22
Imagine how bad they would have been if he played somewhere else for those 6 years…..
AngelsFan1968
Who knows, maybe they would have been better?
After all, the Nationals won the World Series after Harper left.
Murphy NFLD
Baseball is unlike hockey and basketball were 2 or 3 great to elite can get you to the playoffs were anything can happen
AndyWarpath
Because the Angels sucked.
JayRyder
With the Home Runs and Pitching Factor, He’s the most Watchable Player int he game right now. $50 mil a year for a team to invest in that with Local TV opportunities, National TV opportunities, Merchandise, Butts in the Seats, everything else you can use him to sell your team to the World ! Totally worth it. As long as he keeps hitting Home Runs.
Youtube.com/@PINGTR1P
There comes a point where it’s too much of a risk to throw that much money at 1 player. Good luck with that “first $600MM man”
acoss13
Well, all the usual suspects bidding for Ohtani have been quiet, so there is some truth to the fact that all these other free agents won’t sign until Ohtani picks someone and then the teams that didn’t sign him, will start to pivot to other players.
I think the money ends up being between 500 and 600 million. Still a glimmer of hope my Cubbies sign him.
beyou02215
$500-plus million for a DH seems crazy. He’s already entering his age 29/30 season. For how many more years can he stay elite with the bat? Two? Three? Five? Huge huge huge gamble for the acquiring team.
Murphy NFLD
Its insane for sure. I thought about it last night and if you pay 25 for a top tier pitcher and 20 for an elite DH then your at 45 a year for him. It depends on each team value on what 1 WAR is worth. Teams value it from my understanding anywhere from 7-12M per war, so lets say he averages 5 WAR over the next 8 years at 9m per 1WAR thatS 45M per season for 8 years. I think he gets 9-12 years so 600M is insane but he brings insane value in marketing so theres that. 12M per WAR gets you to the 600M range but theres no way he keeps this insane carrer stat line going anywhere past 6-7 years. Then he likely goes to starting fulltime, batting those days and DHing maybe 80ish games. So the back 3rd of his contact your going to be getting #1-3 starter pitching and a good bat for 65% or so of your games. This is how i see everything how does anyone else feel?
JerseyShoreScore
Tiny Mind!
rocknwell
Ohtani will sign with the Marlins
rocknwell
Ohtani to sign with the Marlins
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Hey, I ain’t paying no 600
Hey, I ain’t paying no 500….
Hey, I just am not paying anything
ballgawd
And his own tears winning 70-75 games a year.
Candlestoked
Rumor has it my softball team is really kicking his tires. Literally.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Is Matt Stairs on your team
Candlestoked
Ha! No, but the offer keeps escalating!
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
=)
YankeesBleacherCreature
The water’s warm… 650! Do we hear 700?
MarlinsFanBase
Anything under $650 million is a bargain. You’re getting a frontline SP and one of the top power hitters and run producers in the fame.
MarlinsFanBase
Difference in Stanton and Ohtani is that Stanton was already getting injured when he was in his early 20s. And not any of us Marlins fans, at least those of us with common sense, supported that contract for him.
With this said, I would say that really no contract longer than several years ever works out. You end up with the backend of those deals with the player getting far more than they’re worth for at least a couple of seasons.
Anthony maresca
Lol after 2nd TH surgery the odds drop significantly especially for a player used to pitching every 6 days.
MarlinsFanBase
OK, I’ll play Devil’s Advocate. Let’s say the second surgery affects his pitching upon his return. With the salary commitment, you think they won’t exhaust all sorts of pitching roles to salvage a great deal of the contract from the pitching side? Let’s say he no longer can start, but goes either into a high leverage relief role like a Closer or a super reliever like Andrew Miller mastered? You think Shohei couldn’t handle getting outs for a few or even just one inning? If he does that, he’s worth the current market value of what a Closer (see Edwin Diaz) or what Andrew Miller would command in the current market (see what he made in his time).
Sadler
“Ohtani is believed to already have received multiple bids well north of $500MM, and some speculate he could even wind up as baseball’s first $600MM man.”
That’s a lot of money for a guy that’ll be a career DH.
MarlinsFanBase
An elite DH who is also a frontline SP.
Sadler
Who has had 2 TJ surgeries in a span of 4 years before age 30.
There have literally been 2 starting pitchers in the history of the game that have had some level of success after 2 surgeries. The likelihood that Ohtani will be a 3rd for any reasonable amount of time moving forward is so incredibly low, you have to assume he’ll be a career DH.
JerseyShoreScore
Ohtani is one of the best athlete’s in the world. He will either pitch and DH for most of the contract or he will be an above average OF. The idea that Ohtani is just a “DH” is a very low level thought process…
Sadler
He’s had 2 TJ surgeries before age 30. Dude will get a 3rd in a couple years and be a career DH.
And when throwing out a “low level thought process” criticism, perhaps its wise to consider the thought before criticizing the person.
Jaysfansince92
Everyone keeps saying that but if he can’t pitch he will likely play OF. He regularly played 50 plus games a year in the OF in Japan and was considered to be very good defensively. I believe he is considered good enough to play CF. A CF with his offensive stats would be worth a ton of money.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Ok. Let’s throw a list of teams that realistically can afford to pay 50-60 million AAV for Ohtani. I would see Braves are out.
Whyme
Jays will offer him the $$$ and his own TV channel lol
THEHOUSETHATMOSEBYBUILT
wait… like, I don’t get it eh
Candlestoked
600,000,000 loonies?! That’s a lot of coin!
Whyme
Jays always pay players in USD
hiflew
$600 million for a guy that has never played in the postseason. It is slightly more understandable to see ridiculous amounts of money paid to quarterbacks in the NFL or NBA superstars because those guys can basically take a team to the playoffs just by being on the team. But baseball is the ultimate team sport. Ohtani is very good, but he is not 10 times better than the average DH you can get for $5-6 million per year.
scottn59c
In baseball, one guy is not enough to get the club to the postseason. But one guy (and the consensus #1 in all of MLB) can certainly move the needle for a team that’s got the other pieces in place.
Remember, too, that any team that signs him is signing the Babe Ruth of our time. The excitement of that, let alone the merchandizing, is worth its weight in gold.
hiflew
Check your history. Babe Ruth stopped pitching after 5 years. Ohtani will likely never pitch again after this latest injury. The human body can only take so much. He is not a super hero. Someone is going to be paying $50-60 million per year for a DH.
And even if he does pitch, with his expanded rest schedule you still have to have 5 other starters. Just not worth the money, except in merchandise sales.
And he is not “consensus” #1 in all of MLB. He is definitely top 10, but let’s not pretend that some people would not prefer Acuna or Judge or Betts or Trout or Harper or anyone else.
nrd1138
Insane amount of money for one player (while is both a starter and position player) who’s arm apparently breaks down every couple of seasons restricting him to either DH or a fielder. If he wants to win, then asking for the kind of money he is apparently asking for (or being offered) will restrict any teams ability to sign other players that will be a good supporting cast around him. Never mind the reports about him really wanting to stay on the west coast. My guess is a West team lands him, but will need to insanely overpay in which case his dream for playing for a contender will likely not happen. Lets be real. The Angels had both him and possibly the other greatest ball player in Trout and the Angels did nothing because they other moves either did not pan out or they did not have enough left for the rest of the roster to be built. While it may hide some warts on a club it does not remove them. I get that teams are also looking at the marketing aspect, but if you want to be a legit club always in contention year in and year out, a guy like Ohtani is not going to be make that happen unless he happens to find an insanely well run org that has the ability for bringing in good prospects year in and out.However, if that is the case does that team want to risk not being able to sign its other stars to bring in a guy who at this time is a two way player, but another arm injury and Im guessing he will be a great position player only. If I were Ohtani and really want to win Id go to Atlanta, but again since its on the east coast I doubt it happens..
BlueSkies_LA
I’m still waiting hear about the players who didn’t get an overpay. According to posters here, that’s exactly none.
Truthhurts
Giants and angels have no chance
If he wanted dodgers he could have picked them when he came here. Cubs aren’t good enough yet.
Jays will outbid everyone they have 5 year licenses to sell this year. They will give him vlads cash, jays can’t count on him. They will trade all their prospects if they have to, players don’t care about prospects
They will double down on soto to keep him away from yanks if manoah is good enough for SD. SD wants players not prospects
Jays wanna bring back the 90s
getrealgone2
Sorry, any team that does 600 million is stupid.
spiritof67
I love MLBTR, but I wish you guys could just ignore Heyman, or at least add a disclaimer! He’s such a shill for Boras and other agents. It’s ALWAYS about “more teams bidding up the price” on ANY free agent. And usually he even turns out to be full of crap.
Foxxfire
Why does everybody here treat Shohei Ohtani like he’s just another free agent
Do me a favor and find out for yourself what Shohei Ohtani would mean to Rogers Communications. While you’re at it look at who rates the highest on TV, is a huge market that feels like a small one (not nyy, lad), has cutting edge technology and renovating further — i got that this was probably most important to him from the many things I’ve seen.
Discounting Toronto and the unique differentiation they have in multiple ways is something that needs to stop being overlooked. I’d handicap at 33% jays.
Truthhurts
And what’s the odds he tops judges homers in Toronto
getrealgone2
People grossly overestimate the tv deal/merch sale stuff with superstar FAs.
Foxxfire
But it’s also a high number. If this is about money, which I don’t think it is, the Jays could win that too.
Of course there’s risk. But the potential for unprecedented things is also there.
He’s secretive but several things about him have all lined him up as a perfect fit. What does LAD actually substantially have going for it that Toronto doesn’t other than its out West? A seemingly trivial factor given known information.
Im not saying they’re the favorites but I’m saying they are being vastly underestimated
luvochka
This will be a long term contract, undoubtedly he will falter as a pitcher before he falters as a hitter. Someone is going to wind up paying a lot of money for a DH.
Jack Dawkins
Rez, the answer to your question about Japanese values can be summed up in one of their old sayings: “The nail that sticks up will get hammered down.” Japanese kids are taught to not intentionally make a spectacle of themselves.
Eric Olson 2
My gut says nobody has made any offer of significance. Yes everyone would love to have him, but who wants to tie up that much of their payroll for one player. If gets hurt or declines during the later years your screwed.
178iq
We all know they are trying to hype the numbers. 1/2 billion for a guy who is going to be a DH for a year? And possibly have a crap year coming off surgery… his agent with the garbage- low profile talks etc… it’s because no one is calling and / or no one is close to 1/2 billion. Great hitter, put him at DH yes, or wear him out like Trout in the outfield? And come on, he’s good for what 8-9 wins? If anything that’s just going to wear him out early too. He’s an average pitcher at best and clearly puts up Judge numbers, but hasn’t hit 50 HRs yet. Let alone 60! I predict he will sign a 1 year contract for 30-50 million if someone is desperate to sell tickets and see where his arm in in a year.
niched
Just walk away from Ohtani. Way too much money for him not to maybe pitch ever again.
178iq
He’s not even a 15 game winner. He’s not worth it as a pitcher. He’s a great DH. That’s all. maybe use him as a 5 or 6 pitcher to give an ace an extra day off.
AndyWarpath
lol wins
AndyWarpath
If he can’t pitch he’ll transition and be just fine as an outfielder for quite some time
178iq
That’s why his agent is claiming that they want to keep the situation quiet… lol because there’s nothing to talk about. Not even the Mets would sign a $500,000,000 DH.
178iq
It’s a lie. He was paid to print that to try to get that money from Somewhere. He will sign with the Angels for 1 year again. .
soxfan4381
Whatever team signs him to $500 or $600 million is a dumb franchise. That contract will be a train wreck. A good chance he can’t pitch to the same level after a second TJ, so you are basically paying all that money for a DH. Fans will get excited he signed, then complain in a couple years when he is declining and the contract can’t be moved.
Slider_withcheese
This will wind up being the worst contract the dodgers have given out since Kevin Brown
BlueSkies_LA
Except that the Kevin Brown contract worked out very well for the Dodgers as he had five excellent seasons with LA. It was the Yankees that got burned when he was traded.
cwsOverhaul
Someone not as likely to land him as LAD/Cubs trying to make it really hard to say no with a stretched out 12/540mil (45 AAV)….like Giants or Toronto?
phantomofdb
600 would be asinine, especially with his pitching in question
This one belongs to the Reds
It only takes one a$$ who will pay it.
baked mcbride
15/850 Kansas City Royals! Salvy is the bridge to the future!
Simm
500m to I hear 510…510 do I hear 520…520. Do I hear 550…600 going once going twice
maxorange33
If I were a team trying to win him over, I’d go outside the box in my pitch (pardon the pun) to him. He isn’t pitching next year so I’d offer him a contract that is split between his hitting and pitching. Just throwing out random ballpark numbers but instead of a flat 10 years/650 million I’d offer him a contract that pays him the equivalent but split say 35 mil a year for his hitting and 30 mil for his pitching.
I’d also decrease his pitch load and offer him to pitch only one day a week like he did in Japan.
Ezpkns34
Your offer would be turned down
YankeesBleacherCreature
Spitballing: $45MM base salary + $1.3MM per 15 IP. At 150 IP a season, he’d make $61.5MM.
THEHOUSETHATMOSEBYBUILT
(ahem)
Dear Santa…
BigGarg
I find it hilarious that fans are appalled at contract numbers like it is their own money. These owners can afford it and marketing ohtani will make them plenty of bank. As a cubs fan, give him a billion for all I care. It’s not my money.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
But it is our money. We pay in the end. Baseball tickets used to be cheap and player salaries used to be cheap. I thought you knew this?
BlueSkies_LA
You must have slept through Econ 101.
LordD99
Do I hear a billion? A billion going once, a billion going twice…
Candlestoked
Look at the number of comments on this piece. That’s what Ohtani brings to the team making the best offer: attention, status, recognition, all worth tons of money! He may get hurt and he may not ever bring a championship to that team but these folks know what they’re doing. Winning here is like winning a championship.
larry48
The giants and angels have no shoot of signing Ohtani. Giants stadium is not a hitter friendly , and giant won’t sign any free agents.
JBBooks1901
I don’t see how a 600 million dollar contract could work. Ohtani is 29 if you give him just a $45million 12 year contract ($540million) he’s there until he is 41. No way a contending team could afford this contract and be competitive in future years. Yet if you raise it to $600 million your in the $50 million a year range. I predict whomever takes on this contract will be having a fire sale soon afterwards..
RobM
A team like the Dodgers regularly run payrolls in the mid- to upper-200 million range, and the luxury tax salary level keeps increasing. It will be quite a bit higher 5, 6, 8 and 12 years on. They can also structure deferred payments as they did with Mookie to get to a total of $600 million, but in reality a lower luxury tax hit. Not entirely disagreeing, but it’s a select group of teams that can afford, or will opt to afford, to do this. I suspect he’d easily be worth $50 million (and more) a year in both on-field contributions as well as revenue from business and marketing contributions.
prov356
I must be the only person who understands that as we sit here today, Ohtani is only a DH. And there is a good chance he won’t be able to get back to a top tier pitcher after his second TJ surgery. There is no way I would pay him more than 15m for 2024 as a hitter only. Then, I would only agree to an AAV starting in 2025 riddled with innings incentives that would max out at about 40AAV for the remainder of the contract, assuming 10 years total. I would also get him thinking about playing first base. If he can’t pitch, then throwing from the outfield would be problematic too. 600m? That’s ridiculous. I don’t care how much revenue he generates.
BlueSkies_LA
You’d better get on the phone right away. Some team is about to throw big coin at Ohtani without your special knowledge.
prov356
blue – Snarky as always I see. I am not imparting some “special knowledge” that I am pretending to have, as many do on this site. I am rendering my opinion, which is based on objective facts: 1) As we sit here today, Ohtani is a DH only in 2024 – not worth 50m for the year. In my opinion, worth about 15m. 2) Ohtani’s future as a pitcher after two TJ surgeries in three years is very uncertain. So any team signing him to a huge deal is paying him for a short historic window of two-way success.
In the real world, any contract “should” have innings incentives and buy-outs for both player and team once he starts pitching again. In the non-real world of baseball player contracts, some team will pay him the 600m with no bail-outs and regret it soon after (again, my opinion). I hope it is not the Angels.
BlueSkies_LA
Ha. Sorry for pointing out that you are suggesting you know more about the business of baseball and how to evaluate player values than the people who own the teams and spend hundreds of millions of their own dollars on them. I mean, obviously! So, I humbly ask your forgiveness for questioning whether you posses the only objective truth. You are truly the only one who understands. My bad!
prov356
Again, blue, this is my opinion on how I would approach an Ohtani contract. The 2 points I made are objective truths about Ohtani’s current situation. 1) As we sit here today, Ohtani is a DH only in 2024 – not worth 50m for the year. In my opinion, worth about 15m. 2) Ohtani’s future as a pitcher after two TJ surgeries in three years is very uncertain.
Are you suggesting those two facts are subjective and open to interpretation?
BlueSkies_LA
Again, you are the one who said you are the only one who truly understands, so that got a response you should have expected. And you certainly don’t need to explain the Ohtani situation to me, let alone to the teams bidding on his services. I’m pretty sure they understand it too, along with a whole lot else that we don’t know. Accordingly… I am not going to guess at what he’s “worth” as this seems to be a classic fool’s errand. Based on what we know about his situation, my only guess is that he will get a creative contract including performance bonuses and opt-outs, and the earning potential will be huge, even if not guaranteed.
outinleftfield
Ohtani had a .304/.412/.654/1.066 slash line, 184 OPS+, and hit 44 HR while missing a month because of an injury to his pitching arm. He has shown a steady increase in hitting skills over his time in the majors He is just about the best hitter in baseball. So even if he never pitched another game in his career, he would still be incredibly valuable.
Also, with his speed and athleticism, if he was unable to pitch he can still throw well enough to be able to play the field. Just because he can’t throw 100 times per game, doesn’t mean he can’t throw 5-6 times per game from the OF. Ohtani the RF?
He will be able to DH from opening day according to his camp, so his salary will not be depressed even a dime in 2024.
Either way he is worth at least as much as Judge in AAV. 12 years with a $40 million AAV is still $480 million.
Then you have to consider the value Ohtani brings off the field that Judge cannot approach. Ohtani made $37 million in endorsement money and Arte Moreno said he brought the Angels $30 million in sponsorship money. That doesn’t include the revenue that comes from people coming to the ballpark just to see Ohtani play. Its a higher percentage than any player in baseball. There were tour busses that brought Japanese tourists to Angels games.
So Ohtani will undoubtedly surpass $500 million. On top of that, I am sure that the team that signs him will take into account the possibility of not pitching and make incentives contingent on hitting milestones like 15, 20, and 25 starts per season.
Big cheese G stands for grilled
Gotta be the Cards Goldy coming off the books/traded, Arenado can be traded that leaves payroll space. sign 2 pitchers on short contracts to cover Shohei Mo is up to something here read the signs people.
jkoko
No player is worth that much
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Then why would a team sign him for that much? Article says there’s already been offers well north of 500 million.
This one belongs to the Reds
You get Ohtani, you get the whole of Japan following his exploits with your team. Over there, I am told he is a god to them baseball wise and they follow his every move. I have friends here who are asked if they got to see him play live.
Just think of what the superstations did for the Braves, Cubs, and Mets back in the day growing their fanbase. Those folks in Japan will buy your mechandise with Ohtani connected too.
Heck, I’d ditch Bally’s and start the Ohtani network, with English and Japanese versions, streaming worldwide. Give him 10 percent of the profits. (I get this picture of Jim Day dubbed in Japanese like an old movie suddenly.) Some PR genius probably has 100 more ideas.
So I get why folks are willing to lay out that kind of cash.
Except Bob. His cat told me he can’t get decent kitty litter and has to settle for the bargain brand instead of Meow Mix.
Rightout
Its The Dodgers..He knows it will be 540 at 12 years Ohtani just hopes some other team is crazy enough to pay him stupid money like The Dodgers are willing to do….
Nats ain't what they used to be
This may sound crazy but I would not want Ohtani. He would suck up 20 to 25 % of a team’s salary even on big spenders. That rarely is a formula for winning.
Moneyballer
Whatever team signs him (cubs) will have to hire an entire marketing team just for him. He’s baseball’s biggest draw, worth every dime. Poor angels, they really messed up by not trading him at the deadline.
outinleftfield
Have a few things going to share from things we overheard while here for our anniversary. 1st one about Ohtani. On two different occasions I heard people say that he was not going to sign on the East Coast. One guy with a CBS polo said, “Not even with the Yankees? Thought they made a huge offer?” The guy he was talking to said, “especially not with the Yankees”. That was something I didn’t expect.
Never heard anything about him going back to play for the Angels though, so I think Arte is not in the running.
outinleftfield
Shoot, closed it too quick.
Overheard a guy from MLB Network, Dan O’Dowd?, say “The Giants offered HOW much? Wow. I didn’t expect that. Will the Dodgers really match that?”
Couldn’t hear the amount, but whatever it was surprised the guy from MLB Network.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Nice inside information. Thank you for sharing.
Giants make a lot of sense from a lot of different angles. Perhaps especially since they swung at and struck out on a couple other massive contracts.
Jaysfansince92
If that is true then the Giants may have eliminated themselves from the running by allowing that info to leak. Apparently he is holding any info leaked against the team that allowed it to leak.
outinleftfield
Are you kidding? Some fan overhearing a conversation in a place crawling with reporters and FO people? No player or agent is stupid enough to cancel negotiations just because of something like that.
Now if the team came out and said something about being in negotiations with him, that might sway him some. But for a half billion dollars? Not likely.
Jaysfansince92
That is not what I mean. Someone would have had to tell Dan O’Dowd that information. If that info is out then someone leaked it.
outinleftfield
Ohtani met with the Giants on Saturday in San Francisco and was seen at Oracle Park.
Today he was in Dunedin at the Blue Jays spring training complex.
Both of those things were leaked, but its doubtful he is cutting both teams out. FAr more likely that those teams are among the finalists for his services.
Candlestoked
Here’s what we know, in a nutshell
johndietz
Whatever he signs for, it’ll be the worst contact in sports within 3 years
AMiCk ĐOGEron
The man is definitely one of the best to ever play the game, but it’s hard to understand a team committing this much money to someone who’s proven he can’t stay healthy doing what he does.
He’d almost assuredly end up on an innings count within a few years.
Jaysfansince92
I read in an article that experts have estimated that Ohtani would be worth roughly 15-30 million for off field contributions. Not sure if that is on a yearly basis or not.
outinleftfield
The Angels said that Ohtani was worth $30 million in team sponsorships. He also was a huge draw at the gate with many people coming just to see him.