Recent reporting on the trade talks between the Padres and Yankees regarding superstar outfielder Juan Soto have indicated that the sides have hit an impasse in their trade discussions. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reported this morning that the sides haven’t talked since San Diego requested the previously-reported multi-player package centered round right-handers Drew Thorpe and Michael King, though The Athletic’s Brandon Kuty suggests that discussions between the sides are expected to reignite during the Winter Meetings this week.
Kuty goes on to discuss the current state of discussions between the sides, with a few noteworthy updates to past reporting. While San Diego’s proposal was previously believed to be a six- or seven-player package centered around King and Thorpe plus salary relief in exchange for Soto and Trent Grisham, Kuty suggests that the Padres proposed an eight-for-two swap with right-handers Clarke Schmidt, Jhony Brito, and Randy Vasquez all included in addition to King and Thorpe. The other three players in San Diego’s proposal are not known, though Kuty suggests that top prospects Oswald Peraza and Everson Pereira both are “figured to be on the table” in discussions.
The mention of Pereira as a potential piece in a Soto is especially noteworthy as past reporting has indicated that the 22-year-old has not been part of discussions between the sides. The young outfielder has emerged as a consensus top-100 prospect in the sport after slashing .300/.373/.548 in 81 games split between Double-A and Triple-A this season, though he struggled in a 27-game cup of coffee with an anemic .151/.233/.194 slash line in 103 big league plate appearances down the stretch. The inclusion of Pereira as a big-league ready outfield option could make plenty of sense for San Diego, particularly if the club parts with both Soto and Grisham in a deal.
While the specifics of reports on the Padres’ requested return package have conflicted, it’s clear that San Diego is hoping to receive a hefty return with a focus on MLB-ready pitching. What’s more, there’s a clear consensus between reports that the Yankees are particularly hesitant to include King and Thorpe in a package for Soto. Despite the gap between the sides in trade discussions, Kuty notes that restarting talks makes plenty of sense for both sides. The impetus behind a Soto deal for San Diego is the club’s desire to cut payroll, and Soto’s projected $33MM salary (courtesy of MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz) limits the number of teams that could realistically fit a deal for Soto into their budget. Meanwhile, Kuty notes that the Yankees are facing considerable pressure to improve after missing the playoffs with an 82-80 2023 campaign.
While Kuty notes that Cody Bellinger is another star-caliber lefty outfielder who the Yankees have interest in, no outfield addition is appealing to the club as Soto. Likewise, Kuty suggests that the Blue Jays represent a potential suitor for Soto if the Padres can’t get a deal done with New York. It’s a suggestion further backed up by SNY’s Andy Martino, who describes Toronto as a “real contender” for Soto, with Heyman adding that right-hander Alek Manoah has come up in discussions between San Diego and Toronto. That said, Martino suggests that the Jays are believed to prefer to wait on a Soto deal until they know whether or not they’ll be successful in their bid for superstar slugger Shohei Ohtani.
Kuty suggests that waiting for Ohtani to make a decision could be a double-edged sword for the Padres. While another superstar-caliber left-handed slugger coming off the board could raise the pressure on interested clubs to acquire Soto, the Padres are likely to attempt to use the savings from a Soto deal to explore the free agent starting pitching market, and waiting to move Soto could leave San Diego with less options on that front. While the free agent market has largely moved slowly to this point in the offseason, the top end of the rotation market has been something of an exception to that rule with Aaron Nola and Sonny Gray having already signed on in Philadelphia and St. Louis, respectively.
vacommish
That’s a steep price for 1 yr and the hope/promise of signing an extension.
Joel P
Yeah just wait a year. I think Soto wants to play in New York anyways.
Captain-Judge99
At this point who really cares. The Yankees should just switch their focus to Bellinger and Yamamoto at this point. I’m totally fine with Soto being traded to Toronto or elsewhere. Cheers!
Brew88
Me too
stymeedone
Plus if the Yankees pivot to Bellinger, it removes a potential landing spot for Soto in FA.
outinleftfield
Signing Bellinger and trading for Soto are not mutually exclusive. Bellinger plays CF and the Yankees need two OF.
outinleftfield
Cap, Why can’t they?
Stop buying knock off jerseys from China.
Rob Schumann
That Dominguez kid is supposed to be ready next year. Pretty sure Cashman is gonna run him out for 3 years around his IL stints like he does with every prospect he gets a man crush on. With payroll the way it is the OF will get one big signing then a couple of minor league veteran deals. I am not big on Soto at all. You would think he was young Mike Trout with the Padres ask for 1 year. Preller is one of the best at judging prospect talent so if I was Cashman I would just ask Preller which prospects are the must includes then say no thanks and let Toronto have Soto. At least Cashman will finally have a clue which prospects he should hold. Just sign Soto next year after another year has fallen off the Rodon disaster and Miami starts kicking in on Stanton.
BaseballisLife
Dominguez had Tommy John and won’t be ready to play until the All Star break.
MoneyBallJustWorks
what makes you think that?
mlb fan
“What makes you think that”..New Yorkers always think EVERYone wants to play there, despite the NY Knicks proving over decades that this isn’t really true.
LostYankeeinexile
NY is where most players can make the money. Deepest pockets, most available side deals for advertising and the like, most skilled investment firms for making the most out of that money in Wall Street , most media exposure, etc. It’s still a business and it’s where the money is. That’s why players wanna play in NY.
mlb fan
“Where most players can make the money”…Guys like Lebron & KD will likely make over a BILLION dollars before they retire. And they went nowhere near NY. What you said was probably true in the 80’s, but with the advent of social media and regional sports networks players can cash in practically anywhere. You think MEGA stars like KD, Ohtani & LeBron James would SHUN NY if that were the only place they could make serious bread?
LostYankeeinexile
Ok of all those players you mentioned only Ohtani is MLB and since we’re on an MLB page let’s stay in that ballpark. Ohtani can go wherever he wants because he adds a whole new value. Foreign fan base and the Japanese ad market. As for the rest of your players, basketball is a different market. Baseball has been the sport to watch in NYC since Babe Ruth. Hell, Jeter was listened to more than the Mayor most times here. Even with social media, NY is still the top for the most corporate offices of the sports and News in the country. The home of most of the advertising corporation offices, and more investment firms. It’s a fact. I guarantee Lebron and KD and Ohtani all run through banks and firms and advertising with their home offices in NY just by simple statistics.
LosPobres1904
Times have changed like it or not there’s plenty of other places to make money.
LostYankeeinexile
True, Big markets just offer better odds is all I’m saying.
Joel P
I am not a New Yorker. And I don’t like New York at all lol. He just seems like a New York guy. I don’t know how to put my finger on it he just does.
LostYankeeinexile
Yeah … I am a New Yorker and I love NY, but Arod seemed like a New York guy too and bringing on Soto feels like bringing on ARod… with Judge being the modern Jeter in that social scenario
Bobcastelliniscat
It’s also one of the most expensive and overcrowded cities in the world. Not everyone wants to play or live there.
LostYankeeinexile
True, but show me a major city with all the business opportunities I mentioned above that isn’t expensive in this current housing market. I live near Nashville TN and the rents are almost as high there as when I lived in NYC and they don’t even have MLB here yet.
Killer of Ignorance
That’s twice you have brought up NBA players or teams to try and make your point about baseball. Lame. Maybe not to the extent that it used to be, but NY and Yankee Stadium was always the Mecca for MLB and it’s players. Now, no, not everybody wants to play in NY, but more players would gravitate to NY than any other city if they had their choice. And everybody that plays there loves it and wants to stay except for a few clowns that spit the bit and couldn’t hack it like Ed Whitson, Sonny Gray, and others. The legendary history of the NY Yankees has a lot to do with that, Plus it is definitely the biggest stage there is for MLB. Once again, not everyone would want the pressure that comes from playing in NY, but the guys that want to prove themselves in the biggest city, on the biggest stage more often than not, want to go there.
Killer of Ignorance
BTW, KD went to NJ so what’s the diff? Who said LeBron shunned NY? He actually mentioned NY as a possibility back when he was jumping around between Cleveland, Miami and LA. As for Ohtani, it was more of a cultural thing. He didn’t care for cold weather during the offseason. There’s more Japanese and Asians out west, and more of a laid backed culture in Cali. But nobody you mentioned “shunned” NY because they despised the Yankees or the city. Ohtani had other preferences. Nothing wrong with that. I’m thinking you’re just a another Yankee hater who wants to throw shade on the Yanks and the city.
Brew88
Maybe that’s why Soto is building a house in Coronado (next to Manny’s)
richardc
Ehhh, idk. Most baseball players are a bit of a different breed. The vast majority aren’t very social outside of the clubhouse, their friends, and their families.
They don’t mind doing a commercial here and there, but for the most part they just want to play and ve left alone. You don’t get that privilege as a Yankee, and their media circus can be a major turnoff for several players.
I’m not bashing NY or anything, it is just what makes NY appealing to some is also a major turnoff to the vast majority of players. It just is what it is.
It takes a certain type of person to enjoy that spotlight and all the media coverage. Although, if you do enjoy it, it’ll prove to be very fruitful from an exposure and monetary perspective, like you mentioned previously.
teddyj
People and corporations leaving NY in droves
Mynameisnoname
Soto would mash in New York. Bellinger might be a two way gem or a below average hitter. I’d lean towards the guaranteed line up jolt.
outinleftfield
The player that will make the most money was in Anaheim. He made more than 10 times in sponsorship money than any Yankees or Mets player did.
That same player is not going to be a Yankee or Met in 2024.
padam
@mlb – “Guys like Lebron & KD will likely…And they went nowhere near NY.
Geography lesson. Brooklyn is NY. KD was there for close to three years. He WANTED to play there. Signed, not traded for. Signed an extension as well.
LostYankeeinexile
@outinleftfield So Ohtani is making his investments all on the west coast… hmm seems to me he’s making his deals off A WHOLE OTHER COUNTRY called JAPAN igit. He’s not Soto which is the topic of discussion.
towinagain
Joe driving the price down. He’s not very good(we need him so bad) but yeah he’s OK.
vpsd
San Francisco. Lots of Warriors players have done well in venture capital.
But, we live in a zoom world now and players have access to all sorts of opportunities no matter where they are.
Rob Schumann
The Knicks are not the Yankees. Not everyone wants to play for them just most of the International players. Everyone wanted to play there when the boss was around. Hal has turned them into a shadow of what they were. Players wanted to play there because after an 82-80 season George would spend a half billion making sure they were contenders the next year. Ohtani would not be debating on his decision of the Boss was still around. He would blow every other offer out of the water to make that big first splash. Then he would sign Bellinger and if he saw Soto as the missing piece he would send whatever preller asked for him. George didn’t have time to develop prospects unless they were top 10 in baseball.
Cardsfanatik redux
You have Soto on speed dial?
LostYankeeinexile
Yep he’s number 2 right under your momma lol
stymeedone
I thought you were under his momma, 😉
LostYankeeinexile
Twice.
Cardsfanatik redux
Good one…. You think of that all on your own? Or did your hooked on phonics give you a comeback.
LostYankeeinexile
Whatever troll
Cardsfanatik redux
Wow, you’re just FULL of comebacks!!! Ouch!!
angels fan for life
Say who
Sharocko
Red Sox got a 3 war player (Verdugo), top 50 prospect, and a solid backup C for Mookie Betts on his last year.
Yes the dodgers were able to sign Betts to a long term deal…but they also had to take the last years of David Price’s albatross contract on as well.
So is it really that steep?
Simm
Exactly that’s trade at the time it was made is a ah better the the Yankees one
Plus the dodgers are 48m in dead money for price.
Mrivers
Betts has been more than worth it though.
Simm
And the prospects which were highly rated busted.
MoneyBallJustWorks
what I’ve been saying is if the pads want to shed salary, make any team taking Soto take Darvish. will lower the ask a bit but save them a ton in the next 5 years
Simm
The padres aren’t trying to shed salary on guys like Darvish.
Brew88
The Pads aren’t trying to shed salary with Soto, which is why they’re asking for the moon
stymeedone
Correct, they are trying to shed money on guys like Soto!
Captain-Judge99
It’s funny from my conversations with Padre fans, they don’t think Soto is worth $540 million for 12 years, maybe they know something about Juan Soto that we don’t know?
baseballhistory
Soto is a below average outfielder, that doesn’t run well. The age ( 25) that he is listed at, is almost certainly either 27 or 28. Many of the Dominican, Venzuelan, and Cuban players, have “mysterious birth certificates”!!
mlb fan
Juan Soto is a very good, not great, one dimensional player who offers negative value everywhere but at the plate. The only ones that really think he’s worth 400M+ “Ohtani” money are the MSM and the Ivy league analytics geeks, that think OBP is the next coming.
BaseballisLife
You don’t know much, so I think it’s a forgone conclusion that they know more than you know.
You don’t even know that Soto will be looking for a 14-15 year deal.
Simm
Cool then I hope your team doesn’t trade for him.
LosPobres1904
You wouldn’t be saying that if he was with you’re team.
stymeedone
How long is a 14-15 year deal in Canada? Is it shorter when converted to metric?
Brew88
In Canadian years or dog years?
outinleftfield
The numbers being floated around the Opryland this weekend as the amount the Padres have offered Soto in an extension is 16/480, a $30 million AAV through his age 40 season, and Boras supposedly countered with 16/524. A $32.5 million AAV.
Those who have said he won’t sign an extension may be right. That is an enormous amount of money.
Either way, its a record setting amount of money. $63.5 million more than Trout is getting over 12 years at a minimum.
WestVillageTiger
That’s 98-105 converted from dog years. Would certainly put that AAV in a much more manageable $5-6 million per year range. Woof!
LosPobres1904
It’s Top Secret…
Rathipon
Red Sox ate half the money on Price. Dodgers were left with 3 years and $48 million – roughly what Price was worth at the end of 2019. The Price part of the trade was neutral.
Joel P
Good point Rathipon. Not sure why nobody else has mentioned that.
outinleftfield
Price provided 1.4 WAR as a Dodger. He had provided 2.7 WAR in his last 2 years in Boston. Not even close to $48 million in value.
Simm
That’s was a pure salary dump. At the time of the trade Prices wasn’t worth a damn thing.
towinagain
You want the best? You pay the price.
Joe says...
This discussion isn’t about Ohtani towinagain.
towinagain
Pay the price in talent. Side note, no problem with Yankees fans wanting Soto and wanting to keep prospects. Understandable as a fan. My contention is NY media pushing this. Creating desperation on the Padres part. You think Padres fans will continue to shell out money on season tickets and merch if there is a fire sale? Really?
baseballhistory
Soto isn’t the best, he is a one dimensional player. One year, is worth less than half of the Padres asking price.
towinagain
Pass then! Please! Do t want to trade him at all. I have seen the guy rake all year. I want him to stay in SD. Yankees farm is awful.
Bill Kane
Then why do Yankees want him.
BaseballisLife
He is a better hitter than Ohtani. 157 OPS+ vs 148 OPS+.
Simm
Right
Simm
Stop with the facts. Life
Brew88
not awful, ranked in the bottom third of MLB though
stymeedone
Ridiculously short RF fence.
outinleftfield
Are you talking about the Yankees farm? They are ranked 21st by MLB and 23rd by BA.
mlb fan
“You want the best”..Soto is about HALF as good as guys like Freeman, Betts, Acuna, Tucker and probably Olson. He only offers offensive value when the “best” players offer versatility, athleticism, value on the basepaths and on BOTH sides of the ball. When you begin counting down MLB’s “best” all around players, knowledgeable fans can see Soto is really not in the top 15 players. He may be in the top 20 and is almost certainly in the top 25 players.
Joe says...
For someone to be in the best conversation they should be able to play defense and run the bases. Soto is bad at both.
Brew88
Ted Williams couldn’t run or play elite defense either
towinagain
You blohards don’t get it. Your NY media is pushing this narrative We don’t want to trade Soto. So yeah please keep pushing that Yankee fans don’t want him. Love it
Brew88
Ringworm is a platinum glove mvp threat every year. But go ahead, make your offer
Simm
Ring worm man and his massive salary is worth about 75 coles and judges according to mlb trade values.
I sure hope they can clone themselves and judge can play shortstop.
stymeedone
Correct, they don’t want to. They need to. Can’t borrow to make payroll every time!
Brew88
Don’t think they heard that, busy signal on the phone
outinleftfield
Preller has shown a willingness to would listen to offers on any player or consider trading for anyone on another team. It doesn’t mean he would make a trade.
I would think that for Tatis it would start with Volpe, 3 or 4 of the Yankees top 5 prospects, and 3-4 MLB players including Brito, Vazquez, and King.
I may be low on that return too. Not many players that are locked up long term and as good as Tatis have ever been traded.
Joe says...
towinagain I never said I didn’t want him on the Yankees. I replied to him not being the best and he isn’t. His bad base running and defense isn’t a narrative, it’s a data proven fact.
outinleftfield
If the Yankees can’t afford the prospect cost for Soto, they have no chance to get Ringworm.
all in the suit that you wear
The Padres really need a bidding war between teams willing to take on Soto’s salary. Who else has strong interest besides the Yankees? If only the Yankees are willing to take on Soto’s salary, they should be able to wait the Padres out and the asking price should drop over time.
Simm
Padres have moved on to the jays if you didn’t hear.
Ma4170
Well if you believe war is a good representation of overall talent, soto is 8th in mlb the last three years. He may not be the best all around, but hes up there because his bat is excellent (5th in wrc+ last three years).
Deleted Userr
All 30 teams are willing to take on Soto’s salary.
outinleftfield
9 other teams from what we have been reading on here.
Deleted Userr
There *is* no hope/promise of signing an extension. And that’s certainly not something you give up actual prospects for.
DonOsbourne
The Yankees should walk away from this before they become the miracle that saves AJ Preller’s job.
rocky7
Yes, why not 10 for 1…lol…..Preller got himself into this situation and now he actually thinks he has leverage now that his “sugar daddy” owner is gone, and financially he’s driven the team into a ditch……
Joel P
I will stop short of calling dead guys names but yes the Padres have created this mess. That Boegarts contract was just so dumb.
DonOsbourne
How about Cronenworth?
Captain-Judge99
Nah maybe you should read the article again?
outinleftfield
Joel, Why? Tatis was always going to move to the outfield, Bogaerts was better than Kim the 2 previous years, and he was given a deal with a $25 million AAV. The Padres got 60% surplus value last season. I wish the Angels got that much from any player other than Ohtani last season.
VegasSDfan
8 for 2 seems reasonable
Captain-Judge99
Yeah pass, maybe for Toronto, not for the Yankees. Hopefully Yankees say forget it now.
towinagain
Yes Yankees fans please, as a Padres fan, pass on Soto!
BaseballisLife
Yankees fans are having a major melt down after the worst season this century. Cashman doesn’t survive another season like that. Getting Soto would at least stop the vultures from circling.
Eatdust666
You’re right, he doesn’t, but the problem is that Hal Steinbrenner doesn’t have the balls, guts, brains nor spine to fire him. It’s so obvious he cares more about getting a brand new Yacht than the Yankees winning their first championship since 2009, even with the mega free agent signings for Cole and Judge, but the thing is that two great players is not enough to get it done, especially when a good amount of the roster are a bunch of nimrods, though not all of the others.
Simm
By doing what trading a 45fv prospect an another pitcher who maybe a starter and maybe a reliever. Along with 456 fringe guys.
Common
Joel P
Simm yesterday I suggested a trade that trade simulator said had more than double the value of Soto going to the Padres and you said it wasn’t enough.
You need to be realistic.
Simm
Yes and that trade sim says Grisham is worth judge and Cole. Get out of here with that crap
Joel P
Judge and Cole have gigantic salaries. Just like Soto. That is why. There is huge risk with giant contracts, particularly ones with many years. Judge signed a giant contract in free agency a year after winning the MVP and was hurt last year. He has negative trade value for sure.
Simm
Cool now go find me a single Yankees fan or any fan that would trade Cole for Grisham/
That system is broken when you compare star players that make real moneys. So no reason to use it or you sound dumb.
Like king is worth more the Soto….hahaha okay nobody is trading Soto for king.
Joel P
Fans don’t make trades GMs do with the blessing from ownership.
Soto has 1 year left and then anyone in baseball can sign him as a free agent. And he’s gonna make over 30 million dollars. Whatever team trades for him could instead spend that 30 million on something else. The value in Soto is what he’s worth on top of that. And yes he has value but it’s less than you think.
Brew88
Oh I thought fans make the trades….
(actually that might be fun)
Jean Matrac
This is a really silly debate. BTV cites surplus value, not trade equity. It’s not who’s an equivalent player. It’s about only surplus value.
Older guys, making a ton of money on long-term deals, just don’t have a lot of surplus value, even though their production might be high. They can be top performers, but future commitments can take a toll from the their surplus value.
Younger players who are cheap with a lot of team control are credited with surplus value that might be equal to superior players. Equal surplus value does not mean equal trade value.
Someone like Cole would have an equal trade value with another, older productive star, with a high salary, and future commitments that will probably not be worth what they’re paid at the end of their contract.
Anyone using BTV should be comparing similar players not just surplus value. Suggesting that similar or equal surplus values per BTV means those players can be traded for each other is a simplistic take that misses the meaning of surplus value.
Joel P
Equal surplus value and equal trade value are basically the same thing. Of course only some teams would want someone like Judge or Cole given their salaries. But it’s supposed to be the same thing.
BaseballisLife
BTV said Grisham alone had more trade value than either Cole or Judge.
There is a reason no one with even a modicum of baseball knowledge uses that site.
Realistic would be looking at the only 3 trades of elite players that were in their walk year. The most recent are Betts and Lindor.
BaseballisLife
Joel, take the loss. BTV is wrong everytime.
Jean Matrac
Except that @Simm’s point, that no one would trade Cole for Grisham, is a valid one. The type of player, level of production, and the situations of the 2 are so dissimilar that despite equal surplus value, they aren’t anywhere realistically close as equal in trade.
Joel P
Judge signed a contract in free agency coming off an MVP season and last year he was hurt for a significant amount of time.
How could you possibly think Judge has anything but negative trade value???
Jean Matrac
The Giants really wanted to sign Judge. An injury plagued 2023 season does not mean he’ll always be injured for the duration of the contract. If surplus value equals trade value, then the Giants have numerous pieces that they would trade for Judge in a heartbeat.
Simm
I’d trade 17 grishams for Cole right now.
Joel P
The Yankees wouldn’t trade Cole because they have tons of money to spend and need Cole as their ace. But you can still assign a value to Cole if he were to be dealt. They also assign a likelihood of the guys being dealt and I would say Coles likelihood of being dealt is quite low. If a team had the kind of money it would take to pay Cole they could just sign Snell who isn’t as good but still pretty good.
Its not that they aren’t equal in trade value. It’s that the trade would never happen. The value is still correct.
Joel P
Again Judge signed a free agent deal coming off an MVP season. He was hurt last year. No the Giants would not want him at the salary the Yankees and Judge agreed to. That’s crazy. Judges biggest concern was healtglg and he priced year 1 it was a legit concern. His trade value is now negative not positive.
What does trade values say? I bet it’s negative I haven’t looked it up.
BaseballisLife
I have heard stupid attempts at justification, but that takes the cake Joel.
Deleted Userr
@Jean Matrac They did get Arson Judge tho!
Joel P
The site is as good as it gets when it comes to making mock trades. Now if you go in trying to find fault in it that’s lame. Again the Yankees aren’t trading Cole so why mention it?
Simm
No the value isn’t correct.
The value is what someone would trade for another someone.
Every single team even the A’s would trade Grisham for Cole.
And not a single person would trade Cole for Grisham.
I can make 100000 trades on there just like this.
Want don’t you see writers or mlbtr guys says well let’s go to the old mlb trade value site and see if this trade is fair value.
Get over it. It’s cool system to play with. I go there as well but you sound like fool when you use it in these scenarios.
Simm
The padres tried to sign judge last year for even more the the Yankees.
Joel P
The Athletics would not trade for Cole because they don’t want to pay him. That’s a fact. I dont think their entire payroll in 2023 equaled what Cole made last year. The ENTIRE PAYROLL!!!
Again the team has to pay this player. Most teams wouldn’t touch Coles contract even though he’s a stud.
This site and trade values absolutely should work together. This is a rumors site both sites deal more in fantasy than they do reality. They should work together and one day I believe they will.
Joel P
Doesn’t Judge have a no trade clause???
If he does then this is a total nonsense conversation.
Rathipon
Judge and Cole are paid just about what they are worth. The trade simulator is working fine by not finding any excess value. Simple as that.
Rathipon
It would not necessarily by easy to trade Cole or Judge at their present salaries. Take Cole for instance. Would you want to commit $180 million to a 33 year old pitcher with almost 2k MLB innings under his belt? It might be worth it because Cole is a beast – but it’s no bargain. And that’s what you would be asking a potential trade suitor to take on.
Rathipon
That’s exactly right. My guess is Soto’s actual value on a hypothetical one year deal at this point in his career is about $50 to $60 million. So that implies something like $17 to $27 million in excess value above his $33 million expected arb salary. Basically a Schmidt and Beeter”s worth of value.
Rathipon
I’m following you up until the point where you suggest that it’s impossible to build a trade of a star for a prospect on the basis of surplus value.
Look – the model isn’t perfect. There are variables it doesn’t take into account. Teams pay for expensive veterans with no surplus value all the time at the trade deadline by sending off valuable prospects. But I’m really not sure how else you can conceptualize a potential trade. That value comparison has to be the starting point of any trade analysis.
Rathipon
Every single team is ready willing and able to take on a 33 year old pitcher with an obligation to pay him $180 million dollars?
You aren’t talking trade values. You’re talking who is a better player. Yes Cole is one of the best pitchers of all time and Grisham is mid. But that’s only one half of the equation.
Jean Matrac
I didn’t mean to suggest that a star couldn’t be traded for prospects. I mean, that’s happened many times before.. I was clear as mud. Just meant that someone like Grisham would never be traded for someone like Cole, despite equal surplus values.
outinleftfield
You keep bringing up that trade simulator and people keep pointing out the absurd trades that it says are horrendous.
I think they have mentioned trades like Grisham straight up for Cole or Judge and the trade simulator said it was an overpay by the Padres when anyone knows that there is no way the Yankees would trade either for Grisham.
Pretty much every example is ludicrous. Why are you trying to present it as something that we should be paying attention to?
BaseballisLife
BTV is not realistic.
BaseballisLife
When it says that Grisham is too much for the Padres to give up for Cole or Judge its not good. It’s very, very bad. Its not realistic.
BaseballisLife
What is total nonsense is you trying to defend BTV. The fact that it says Grisham is worth more than Cole or Judge or Betts or Freeman is why it’s not worth even looking at.
Grisham is involved in the trade offer so including him in the conversation is germane.
You can try to justify it any way you like and the site will still be wrong 100%.
You keep bringing up the word realistic. What is realistic is the similar trades that have happened. Betts and Lindor are the most recent ones. To be realistic the Yankees should be making an offer somewhere between those two. Both included a young major league player with 3.0 WAR or more and 4-5 years of control, a top 50 prospect, and one to two more prospects. That is realistic.
Since the Yankees don’t have any top 50 prospects and their only young major league player that fits that description is not a player that the Padres need, they the Padres asked for several low level MLB players and 2 prospects that are at the very back end of the top 100.
The Padres are being realistic. You are not.
BaseballisLife
Wow. There are so many people that are BTV apologists. All so very wrong too.
Cole was worth $30 million in surplus value in 2023. He was not paid about what he is worth.
Using the average levels of regression for pitchers between age 32 and 37 he will provide $296 million in value for $180 million in pay IF there is no salary inflation in MLB over the next 5 seasons. $116 million in surplus value.
Stick to things you understand. This obviously is not one you have any clue about.
BaseballisLife
Yes. Every team could take on Cole’s contact. Some owners choose to pocket profits instead of putting the best possible team on the field, but they can all afford a player like Cole.
That being said, it’s not the point.
The point is that BTV said Grisham is worth more in trade than Cole.
BaseballisLife
The point is its always wrong when it comes to star players.
Yes. Every team could take on Cole’s contact. Some owners choose to pocket profits instead of putting the best possible team on the field, but they can all afford a player like Cole.
That being said, it’s not the point.
The point is that BTV said Grisham is worth more in trade than Cole.
outinleftfield
Cole has about $100 million in surplus value over the next 5 years based on MLB regression models of age 33-37 players. Grisham has about $18 million in surplus value based on his past production and projected arb salaries over his two seasons of control.
outinleftfield
Jean, they don’t have the same surplus value. Not even just for 2024. Cole is around $36 million for next season and $100 million over the next 5 years. Grisham about $10 million for 2024 and $18 million over his two years of remaining team control.
outinleftfield
Judge had a 4.5 WAR this season. That is a small positive value for what was a bad season for him.
outinleftfield
Rath, Judge had a bad season by his norms and he provided a small surplus value. Cole provided a huge surplus value. Nearly double his salary.
Eatdust666
Just like how they offered Trea Turner more money than the Phillies did (342 million to 310 million), but didn’t get him.
JoeBrady
When it says that Grisham is too much for the Padres to give up for Cole or Judge its not good.
=====================
It’s possible that most control players are more valuable than most FAs.
And since most FAs depreciate each, most FAs probably gave negative value.
Sharocko
Remember Greg Bird, Clint Frazier, Miguel Andujar, Gary Sanchez, Chance Adams, Deivi Garcia, Justus Sheffield, Florial, etc…and the NYY are the ones who are supposed to be afraid to make the deal???
Simm
Yes it’s a long list of hugging by Cashman. Then he says Yankees tax. Everyone else is like ummm your prospects are hot Garbo
Desert Yankee
You forgot Aaron Judge in that bunch. 🙂
Rathipon
I remember Aaron Judge, Gleyber Torres, and Mike King. Shrug.
Funny thing about King. Guy’s a stud. Marlins traded him to the Yankees for…. umm.. Garret Cooper. Bet they wish they hugged that prospect instead.
outinleftfield
King is a reliever and put up a 5.5 WAR in the 6 seasons since the trade
Cooper and Smith put up 6.7 WAR for the Marlins. Smith was also part of the trade for Marte.
Thinking that the Marlins are not losing any sleep over that trade.
Braves Butt-Head
The Christmas miracle
towinagain
Yes, please walk away! I want him to stay in SD. Yankees aren’t doing us a favor. Are you kidding me?! It’s freaking Juan Soto and the Padres had a plus 100 run differential in part because of him.
Joel P
Of course you as a fan want him to stay. But the Padres need 3 starters and 2 relievers and this is how they could get them by trading for some and using the money saved on the others.
Do you really think the Padres are going to keep Soto and build a legitimate team around him through free agency?
I don’t.
Simm
Actually the padres don’t need any relievers and they can easily trade for cost controlled starters. They don’t need to trade Soto.
outinleftfield
Build a legitimate team around him? They have Tatis, Grisham, Machado, Bogaerts, Kim, Cronenworth, and Campusano as their other position players around him. Not sure how many other teams have 7 other players as good as that. 1? Maybe 2?
Think about it. I get depressed when I compare them to the Angels. I will spell out why.
Tatis – 5.5 WAR in a partial season and he had missed more than a year
Grisham – 2.0 WAR
Machado – 2.9 WAR but he averages 5.0 WAR the last 3 seasons
Bogaerts – 4.4 WAR
Kim – 5.8 WAR
Cronenworth – 1.0 WAR
Campusano – 1.1 WAR in 49 games
Then add Soto and his 5.5 WAR to that. Its freaking scary good.
Then you think about the fact that the Padres have a top ten farm system with 2 guys as consensus top 10 prospects, a guy that just won the MVP of the AFL, and are expected to sign the #1 international free agent in about 6 weeks. They have the prospects to trade for any starting pitcher they want. Burnes? Already talking to the Brewers about him. Luzardo? Already talking to the Marlins about him. They could get both in trade and spend about what they did for Snell last season.
If they landed both Burnes and Luzardo they would have Musgrove, Darvish, Burnes, and Luzardo lined up in front of Avila, Waldron, and whoever else they signed.
That would put their payroll at about $200 million with just a couple of bullpen slots, a backup catcher, and a RH DH platoon player to sign. I think they can get all of that done for $20 million.
They are the prohibitive favorites to land Lee and I have heard this weekend while we have been here in Nashville that they are bidding on several other free agents. There was an article recently about them holding a private workout and being one of two teams that were finalists for Yariel Rodriguez.
I wish the Angels were as good at stacking the team and the farm as well as the Padres do.
Desert Yankee
I hope he can pitch
richardc
I couldn’t agree with you more Don.
This 8 for 2 nonsense is insanity. If the Yankees do anything close to that deal AND take Grisham, they’re even more desperate than I thought, apparently.
It’s one thing to just give up money, but to give up THAT much value for what is technically only one year of Soto shouldn’t fly with any GM or owner.
If I’m the Yankees or Toronto I just wait them out. The Padres are the ones that need to shed payroll, let them squirm and watch the price drop. If not, just walk away and save your young talent for multiple upgrades.
Plus, it isn’t like adding Soto to the Yankees instantly solves all their issues. Developing pitching is key to sustainable success, and the Padres are trying to basically put in a cheat code to re-stocking their future…lol
Simm
Right, outside of Thorpe not sure a single other guy would even land in the padres top 20 prospects.
Give up some better players and they can keep 80 of those guys.
angryyankeesfan1
Blue Jays don’t have good pitching prospects beyond Tidemann
rocky7
Yeh, Manoah…..LOL
angryyankeesfan1
The Blue Jays would need to include more than just Manoah though.
Joel P
Manoah and Tiedeman is probably fair but the Padres need more immediate help not prospects and whatever Manoah is.
Simm
Manoah and his 4 years of control is a better bet then Thorpe
Simm
I’d do those two over the 7 jays guys
Captain-Judge99
Congratulations Toronto then! He’s yours!
melfman1
Yeah, they sure pitched great last season, especially Alex. Lol
Manoah = 5.87 era, -1.1 war in 87 inn (3 wins)
Tiedeman = 3.68 era in minors in 44 inn (zero wins)
Much better than the Yankee scrubs:
King = 2.75 era, 3.2 war in 104 inn (4 wins)
Schmidt = 4.64 era, .7 war in 159 inn (9 wins)
Vasquez = 2.87 era, 1 war in only 37 inn (2 wins)
Brito = 4.28 era, .7 war in only 90 inn (9 wins)
Thorpe = 2.52 era in minors in 139 inn (14 wins)
Simm
The fact that you are actually putting in how many minor league wins they have is silly.
Prospects are valued by stuff. They stay prospects until they master that stuff.
The Yankees prospects have low ceilings.
The jays guys you mentioned both have super high ceilings.
You my friend don’t know what you are talking about.
Desert Yankee
Manoah is a borderline non-tender guy. The Jays aren’t happy with him and vice-versa.
Joel P
Manoah is pre arb and he definitely has trade value.
Simm
Manoah had a good awful year. Also had some issues with the jays.
He has 4 years of control left and the year before he was a cy young finalist.
His minors league track record is good as well.
He is definitely worth taking a chance on.
Last year was so bad that it would take additional guys to get Soto but Manoah is definitely worth taking a flyer on.
Brew88
Toronto or the other 9 teams
Deleted Userr
Completely bogus to assert that Manoah is a non-tender candidate. All 30 trams would love the chance to see if they can fix him.
mlb fan
I don’t think the Canadian “Country Buffet” can survive the loss of Alek Manoah. They are already just barely breaking even.
Captain-Judge99
Yeah we’ll see if the Blue Jays trade Tidemann in a Soto deal. Doubt it.
Simm
See the Melfman says he isn’t as good as the Yankees guys because he had a bigger era and noooo wins.
So don’t worry captain the ladies would rather have Vasquez from the Yankees.
Ma4170
I along with many have little faith manoah will bounce back, though a change of scene and pitching coaching staffs might give him a chance.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Prediction: Cubs
CardsFan57
San Diego thinks they can get what they paid for Soto when a year and a half has passed. I don’t see him being traded until they lower the price.
Gwynning
Maybe that’s a tell… the Pads don’t need to and/or want to move him unless it’s a clear “blow us away” offer.
1984wasntamanual
Keep telling yourself that.
Gwynning
It’s what we’ve seen so far ’84!
thefallensoldier
Padres desperately need to trade him, they hold no leverage.
You padres fans are funny, you guys went from “no way we trade soto” to “we don’t have to trade soto but we will for a mega package” literally all reports highlight the terrible financial situation the team is in. No one’s drinking the kool aid the Padres are trying to sell everyone.
Simm
You have no idea what you are talking about:
Let’s pretend the padres need to cut payroll.
They already did. They can use their farm system and make a couple of trades and boom
Problem solved. They don’t need to dump anymore payroll. That’s if you believe they needed to cut payroll to start with.
Gwynning
Soldier, welcome to MLB trades. And rumors. And the desperation to move him… just doesn’t exist.
You called me, I listened, I didn’t hang up, I counteroffered, what now? Don’t like the ask? Not amenable to phase 2? What’s the best you can do? I have 9 other contractors on hold, get back when you can.
Is essence, ALL players are on the market… but that doesn’t mean they’re being shopped. Let’s chalk it up to semantics, yeah?
padrepapi
Padres have sold out all season tickets for next season yet I hear Yankee youtubers saying the Yankees season ticket renewals are down by 40%.
It seems like Padre fans like what they have going on better than Yankees do their own. Can’t say I blame them.
Joel P
I think they are playing tough right now. At the end of the day they could use the salary relief to fill all the other holes. The Padres can get something good for Soto it doesn’t have to be a 7 or 8 player package to make sense.
Simm
No they don’t need 7-8 guys but when the top guys aren’t that top you get 7-8 guy offers.
They don’t need to trade Soto to fill the roster out. I can do it in about 5 mins trading prospects.
Siscokid
“Make me make a deal.” SD had revenues exceeding 450m last year. The whole financial ruin has been perpetuated by the debt service rules set to avoid the 2011 Dodger disaster. SD does not have any sort of financial ruin except safeguard set by MLB. Lines of credit during offseason are normal operating procedure. Maybe not to level of SD’s request, but revenue warrants it. Soto’s value will not be going down between now and deadline. An extra 8 months of Soto and team’s marketing is at a premium.
Brew88
Pads set the price and Yanks played the drums. Rock star takes the stage in prep of the latest hit. Sibilance sibilance.
stymeedone
Lets assume they don’t have to trade Soto, but the reality is the old tv money is bye bye. Trading prospects for players with real contracts ups the payroll, which is not what they are trying to do. You would have to fill out the roster with those prospects to keep from adding on. Are you ready to do that?
stymeedone
If the loan was for renovations, sure. Understandable. This was to meet payroll! If the company I was working for had to get a loan to meet payroll, I’d be posting my resume!
BaseballisLife
Stymeed, how can you so consistently be so wrong about everything. I keep reading your comments and think he will eventually have to get something right won’t he? But you don’t.
If you read the Athletic article you know that they quoted Padres execs in it and those execs said the loan was requested far in advance and that it was not approved by MLB until after payroll for 2023 had been paid in full. So it wasn’t for payroll. That much is a given.
At the time the interviewing was done in October, the exec they quoted said that it was for an expense they anticipated having later in the year. There is no player payroll after the regular season ends. There are practically no baseball operations expenses in November through February. So logic it was not for anything baseball operations related.
If the Padres were in violation of the debt service rule MLB would not allow them to go deeper in debt. You only lend money to borrowers you believe are capable of paying that money back. The Padres were approved for a $100 million loan while MLB allowed them to fund $50 million of that. So they are financially sound enough to get a $100 million loan but possibly taking more than $50 million would put them in violation of the debt service ratio.
Those are just a few of the logical fallacies with your comment, but found to stop here.
Brew88
Gwyinning is kicking back, remember
Brew88
That would be kicking bucket
padrepapi
The Padres gave up two young players that were considered top 10 prospects in the recent past before the trade in Gore and Abrams and a guy in James Wood who had vaulted up to the top 10 by seasons end. Plus Robert Hassell who was around a top 50 prospect at the time of the trade and a teenage arm in Susana who hit 102 mph.
None of these names coming up in the Yankees talks were ever regarded at any time as highly as the Gore, Abrams, or Wood trio were. In fact I don’t think any of these Yankees prospects ever ranked as highly as Robert Hassell either.
I personally really like the work Aram and co. do at Just Baseball. They updated their top 100 in October. Thorpe can be found on that list down in the 70’s.
justbaseball.com/prospects/mlb-top-100-prospects-2…
It’s not fair to call the trade a quantity over quality, they are quality prospects being discussed, just not names anywhere near the same level as the ones the Padres gave up to get him. I like King more than any of the prospects mentioned even if he only has two years of control and has mostly been a reliever. He checks a lot of boxes.
Simm
King is possibly good if he can start. He threw a 100 innings last year has been injured. He has good stuff but a lot of risk when it comes to betting on him.
Captain-Judge99
Nah forget about King immediately, especially for a rental. King stays here in NY.
padrepapi
King has 2 years of control and has been worth 5.5 bWAR in his entire career. Soto has 1 year of control and has been worth 28.6 bWAR in his career and matched that 5.5 mark last year alone.
Missing out on an arm like King isn’t something that will be hard to overcome from a Padres POV. Saying I like him better then the prospects is saying more about them than him.
Simm
Yeah the padres are going to tear Soto for Schmidt and some of judge’s laundry.
Get a grip.
Simm
Well said Papi. I’d we miss out on king I won’t even know what we missed because I wouldn’t turn the tv on to find him.
Now if we trade Soto I’m sure I’ll be checking in on him.
Stars cost a lot. They sell tickets…king doesn’t sell a thing.
BaseballisLife
Padres got 2 top 10 prospects that both had MLB experience, a top 100 prospect, a 2nd round draft pick that is now the #7 overall prospect, and a highly regarded 18 year old prospect.
VermonsterSD
They are not getting what they paid, considering they gave up 5 that were top 100 player, and the Yankees think they can get him for 1 plus some scrubs.
Deleted Userr
No point in trading Soto for less than what they paid for him.
mpwr2
Padres ask is beyond ridiculous for one year of a $32 million player.
Siscokid
Who cares about 2025, 2026… when fans are living (and paying) for today? Present value of money says that 32 million today is much, much less tomorrow. Fans care about today. Results in 2024 is priority for any respectable team. Pictures of Juan Soto in any jersey will span lifetimes.
Deleted Userr
Soto is easily worth that $32m.
This one belongs to the Reds
Basically the Padres aren’t getting the return for Soto they thought.
Simm
It’s doesn’t matter we can keep him that’s why the ask is soo high
This one belongs to the Reds
No one is getting much for one year rentals these days. That’s why the small markets have to deal guys in year five for a good return.
Ironically, it is the large markets who set that expectation.
bronxbombers
You literally can’t keep him cause of the salary. That’s why you’re selling him
Simm
No we can absolutely keep him.
The Padres have already dumped over 70m in payroll. They can keep Soto and makes some trade for cost effective starters. Easy.
stymeedone
Lynn went for $12MM. Whats considered a cost effective starter these days? The asking price just went up!
Longtimecoming
Hey, Yankees called SD. If you don’t want to pay the price for our shiny toy that’s ok, we will keep him. No one making you call and ask what we want for him!
padrepapi
Walk year Soto could put the ’98 walk seasons of Ken Caminiti and Kevin Brown (MLB’s 1st 100m contract) or the year Snell just had to shame in terms of best years by impending free agents for the Padres.
I’d put the over under at 40 hr’s, .950 OPS and a 165 OPS+ factoring in his talent/history and the walk year mojo many seem to find. A 1000 OPS & 170 OPS+ isn’t out of the question.
Many Padre fans will be relieved if no trade comes to fruition. Yankees can try their luck to sign him next off-season. Their should be lots of competition, NYM, SF, ChC, LAD, LAA, TOR come to mind as likely competition minus whoever signs Ohtani.
Simm
Right
Brew88
Count me as one of those who will be relieved
LostYankeeinexile
Sure Keep him … and his 30+ million. See what starters you can afford when his contract is on the books and you lost how many SPs to free agency… sounds smart sure
Longtimecoming
Sure beats giving him away for crap. But ok we will keep him – I hope anyway. I’m
LostYankeeinexile
One year left and a 30 mil salary… Boras client so no extension likely…what did you honestly think you were going to get for him? Not what you gave to the Nats surely?
Longtimecoming
SD is not shopping Soto – listening to calls. People don’t like what they hear then just say, “hey, I guess you don’t really want to trade him after all. Who was that idiot that said you were cutting payroll by trading Soto?”
LostYankeeinexile
That idiot would be Bally and Diamond when your TV deal got busted. Listen Soto is a great player, he’s going to get traded most likely, you’re not getting crazy value for him, you probably can’t afford to keep him and fill out the other holes on your staff. Your only hope for a drastic overpay is if Ohtani goes quick and Bellinger goes quicker. Even then you’ll need a desperate team. Those are long shot odds. That’s the reality. Sorry
Simm
Dude the padres have a great farm system we can get any number of pitchers they want. Aces, cheap controlled dudes you name it.
It’s really not even that hard.
They will trade Soto if someone gives them a great package.
Others wise they will help him. They are trying to win a World Series next year
Longtimecoming
They made more money post Bally.
LostYankeeinexile
It’s not that hard to trade for an ace? Or even #2-3 starters… in this market… today?? Have you even looked at how many other teams are hunting starters and can’t afford free agents? Your competition for that would be so fierce you’d lose most of that future your farm has. To what… keep Soto for a single year? I’m glad you’re not the deciding voice in that room.
LostYankeeinexile
Considering there was a 20yr $1.2 billion deal that fell through and it’s only been 1 season, you can’t possibly say they’ve made more money post Bally. Time will tell, but your team will likely shed payroll to prepare for the worst.
Simm
Well all we know is this.
Padres said they want to keep him, boras says the padres want to keep him.
Padres said they would listen to offers.
Teams call ask about Soto…
Padres give them an offer.
They hangup going we need to pause talks because they are asking for too much.
That’s the asking price for a superstar that’s not being shopped for salary relief.
Time the rest of you all believe it.
VermonsterSD
Who says they don’t have money to spend? Plus, they have a bunch of blue chip prospects to trade for starters if they want.
LostYankeeinexile
Ok let’s play that out… Pads to trade blue chips for let’s say Corbin Burns … or Cease… how many other teams want those two? How many other teams have better prospects? How many other teams are willing to eat $15 mil for Burns? Plus you pay the $33 mil for Soto for one year and lose out on any farm restocking you can do or money you can spend on other holes in rotation/ bullpen. It’s a business. SD just like every other team is in the business of making money. Holding on to Soto only makes you money if you can win a WS or at least go deep into the playoffs. Right now you’re about 5 starters short and a bullpen depth chart away from sniffing the playoffs. So does keeping Soto help that goal or hurt? You tell me
Simm
The padres have traded the farm 3 times in the last 3 years. Then all I hear is the padres have no farm left.
Yet here we are…loaded again.
We will sign the top international prospect again in Jan. Preller may have some issues, may make some bad trades or sign some bad contracts.
But the dude finds prospects.
So I’m not all the concerned about them trading away some suspects to get 3 mlb pitchers. For example let’s say the padres wanted to trade for a stud pitcher like Schmidt….you know the Guy the Yankees
Want to headline a Soto trade.
I’m not even sure it would take a top 20 prospect. One down…two to go…oh you know any an ace..okay burns here are a couple of studs…oh you don’t want to pay for burns okay…Bieber here is a lesser stud then burns would of gotten.
See not only do the padres constantly find prospects they are also not afraid to trade them like that prospect hugging Cashman.
stymeedone
Not going to win without a pitching staff.
LostYankeeinexile
Brother no Yankee fan worth their salt would defend Cashman’s prospect hugging, but you can’t just boom think you’re going to get a trade for this guy or that guy or you think you have the prospects for this guy and ooh ooh these two other guys. You don’t. You have the ability to trade for one or two starting pitchers maybe without selling your whole farm. Of those one or two multiple other teams (yes there’s 29 other teams out there) want young controllable studs too and are competing for them with equal or better farm systems that suit the other teams needs. You want Schmidt.. great.. we want Soto. Let’s work a package deal… you want Schmidt , King, Thorpe, and Hampton for 1 year of Soto … you’ll need to toss in some of those vaunted prospects you’re talking about to equal out the trade. Soto isn’t worth what you’re trying to sell him as. You’re trying to sell a car you bought newish on a 2 1/2 year lease for the same price you bought it for but a year and a half later. It’s not worth the same price. It’s called depreciating value.
Simm
If the Yankees don’t want to pay the trade price for Soto they can pass.
The padres will only trade him for a huge haul. You seem to not be getting it. They are not going to salary dump Soto for some 5th starter…even if you add in some 6th or 7th starters.
So far all I’ve heard from the Yankees rumors is no no no no on every decent guy they have. Until Cashman meets the price or gets close they will not be acquiring Soto.
You say the padres can’t just trade for anyone they want…nooo…they can’t just go out and trade for 3 starters.
I have news for you just 3 years ago the padres traded for Mustgrove, Snell and Darvish.
The padres have shed what 75m in payroll already this offseason. They are perfectly fine with keeping Soto.
They will add one top of the rotation starter a top 3 in the rotation guy. They will also add a couple of back end guys.
Likely will get a cheap back up catcher.
They will likely trade Grisham freeing up some more money. That could depend on a couple of other things.
Prob add an arm in the pen.
You all act like the padres have no way to build a playoff caliber team without trading Soto.
When trading Soto actually makes it harder.
LostYankeeinexile
@Sim Umm the Padres are not going to trade Soto for some 5th 6th or 7th starters? Then why are they asking for King, Schmidt, Brito, and Vasquez? I’m sorry you’re right I must be mistaken, all of those are Aces right? The point is Padres need pitching and salary relief to hit the target goals for their off season and field a playoff caliber team. Every credible news source I’ve seen predicts the Padres trading Soto somewhere. Where there’s smoke … now both sides of the market have to come together. If you think a team is going to give you an Ace for a 1 year rental I’d really like to try whatever it is you’re smoking. Must be some good stuff. 3 years ago when the Padres signed a bunch of SPs the market was different. You’re not accounting for that change. I’m not saying the Yankees will get him. They have a need, but there’s other options out there and they have more financial room and stability. Padres don’t have the same resources. You might be able to sign a big free agent SP… but the cost to your budget plus Soto’s arb is a lot to absorb with the other needs your team still has to go out and meet. It’s basic high school math. You want a haul… sure who wouldn’t … but you’re overplaying the market if you think Soto is worth what you’re portraying here.
Simm
King can be better then a 5th guys that’s why he is in there. You take him out of there like the Yankees have done and you get a bunch of crap. That’s why no deal has been done.
Tell me what has been the Yankees offer…
No Volpe, no Dominguez, no king, no Thorpe…
It’s
No no no no and the padres are like cool. We have the player people want. Someone will pay or we will keep him.
LostYankeeinexile
And if you keep him you’ll need to take out another loan just to get through the season. Good luck with the interest payments. Isn’t it more likely that the Padres asked high (Volpe, Domínguez, King etc) The Yankees counter offered before the winter meetings, The Padres said it wasn’t enough, and the Yanks were like … ok cool .. go shop him around and see if you get anything better and get back to us. That’s what’s going on right now. If the Padres had better offers they’d take them but they don’t. Maybe they’re waiting to see what the market is after Ohtani signs, but the odds SD is keeping Soto … come on l, it makes no business sense. This whole “We’ll just keep him” line is crap.
LostYankeeinexile
@Simm So they’re not going to dump Soto for some 5th starter( King) even if we add on a a 6th and 7th starter ( Brito, Vásquez) … oh … ok a lifetime backup catcher … care to try that again?
LostYankeeinexile
Oh and Thorpe .. a MLB unproven prospect. Good prospect.. but unproven.
MoneyBallJustWorks
jays off
Manoah, Espinal, Jimenez, Macko, Barreira, Danner for Soto and Kim
Pete'sView
I believe a deal will get done between Yanks and Pads when San Diego gets more realistic about the return.. Thorpe, King and Brito is more than fair for a one-year rental.
Gwynning
But it’s not enough for an MVP-caliber 25yo stud in his walk year… Pads are better off holding.
Simm
Exactly Gwynning
Pete'sView
Gwynning _ Possibly holding the empty bag. If it weren’t a one-year rental all gloves are off, but that isn’t the case.
Gwynning
Fair enough, Pete. We shall see, and good luck to your G-Men in FA. Just go to town AFTER we sign Yamamoto and Lee, please and thanks!
Pete'sView
Gwynning — Now we both know that the Giants have more payroll space for Yamamoto and Lee than the Padres. My entire holiday season is wrapped around those two. (Sad, I know. But I’ve got my hopes high up.)
LostYankeeinexile
You can’t afford Lee, Yamamoto AND Soto AND fill out the rest of your rotation AND plug the holes in your bullpen
Simm
You don’t know what they can afford. You just assume Kevin Acee was right when he reported they would lower payroll.
He also said just yesterday that the padres are in on every single big name starting pitcher and every big name starter available via trade
Thats the same reporter who said they are cutting payroll.
The same guy preller said just last year../what we do is wait for Acee to say something then we do the opposite.
LostYankeeinexile
I never mentioned Acee. I’m stating that Yamamoto plus Soto plus Lee plus filling out your rotation and bullpen via FA or Trades plus the contracts the Padres already have plus whatever luxury tax threshold they’d have to pass to sign/trade for all those players … they can’t afford. Simple math for at best at best a mid-media market team.
NYCityRiddler
If they don’t move Soto -which they will- the only thing the padres will be signing are more loan documents. What a bunch of maroons. Ahahaha!
Brew88
Ohtani Pete
slider32
Padres need to dump 50 million in salary before spring training, they are under the gun. Teams know that so Soto will be moved for the best offer.
Simm
Slider32 you clearly haven’t been keeping up.
I’d explain to you why you are wrong but you ca. go read any of the last 10 thread about the padres.
Just so you know though saying that just makes you look dumb.
slider32
King alone has a value of 33 while Soto’s value is only 23 according to trade simulatitor. Padres asking is obsurd like your responce!
Longtimecoming
And Grisham is a fair trade for Cole on that same simulator – ready to pull that trigger?
Simm
Cool the padres will trade Soto for king.
Then the padres will trade Grisham for Cole and Judge because that sight says they have the same value as Grisham.
Find a new way to judge trades bro.
padrepapi
Slider…. The site is fun but it’s not without flaws. Heck, according to it you can go trade King (2 yrs of control) to the Jays for Vlad (2 yrs) AND Manoah (4 yrs) and to top it off have the Jays pay 13m towards Vlad’s 20m 2024 salary… does that pass the sniff test?
Crazy that according to that site Soto had a value of 175m (see link) at the time of the trade with 2.33 years of control but only 23m of value with 1 year of control. I can’t wrap my head around that one either considering he’s coming off a year with the same OPS+ as his career and his future salaries should have been baked into the calculations in 2022 when he was at 17m in salary and it wad easy enough to guesstimate what they would be at in the two years to follow.
theathletic.com/3447510/2022/07/26/juan-soto-trade…
If King is the 2nd most valuable asset in the entire organization (two years of a long reliever, starter hopeful) that’s saying alot about the state of the Yanks today and why it might be hard for these two teams to find a common ground for acquiring a superstar in his walk year.
Brew88
Acee is cause and infect
Desert Yankee
For sure-The Pads can get Mahoney from the Buffalo Wild Wings commercial to pitch.
Brew88
The Yanks can try Alex Morgan as clean up hitter
Longtimecoming
Pete – what if SD doesn’t want to trade him – before you say it, they said what they wanted and if you (and the Yankees) believe it is ridiculously high, then that says what it says – we don’t really care if you like it. SD has him, you want him. SD will just keep him if no one meets the price.
In trading terminology: “what’s the I don’t want to sell it price?” “I want this and this.” “Oh, you really DON’T want to sell it do you?”
Pete'sView
Longtimecoming — I’m not a Yankee fan. I have no dog in the fight. SD has to cut payroll. What better way than Soto with three solid players coming back to the Pads.
Longtimecoming
Pete I know you have heard this before and that it doesn’t matter to you but Kevin Acee recanted his story THE NEXT DAY. The fact that everyone still repeats it doesn’t make it accurate.
Maybe wait until you hear it from SD front office or see actual trades that prove it.
Pete'sView
Longtimecoming — okay. Like I said, I don’t have a dog in this fight. I just figured with the payroll SD is already handling and the death of Peter Seidler, the Pads would want to trim down a bit—especially as they already have a great roster without Soto. Sure, an upgrade for Grisham makes sense but they can do that relatively inexpensively.
Brew88
@pete, the best way to make up the $ is to get in and go deep in the playoffs in 24.
stymeedone
Maybe you should wait for those actual trades, too. You know, the ones they haven’t done. I wouldn’t hold your breath while waiting, though.
Anthony maresca
Are you not reading the Yankees news saying they will NOT part with King or Thorpe! Heck forget about that ridiculous 8 for 2 player swap I would not do just King and Thorpe swap forca 1 yr rental!
Pete'sView
Anthony maresca — That just maybe posturing, but the Padres ask is out of line and the Yanks aren’t gonna bite on it. Padres need to be realstic.
Simm
So the Yankees won’t trade king, Thorpe, Volpe, Dominguez, jones.
This is such a joke. They literally have zero and I mean zero chance of getting Soto without those guys in the deal….zero.
I don’t care what anyone says zero
BaseballClassic1985
Good, SD can keep Soto. He’s an overrated, one -dimensional player who’s older than official records say he is. He hasn’t helped SD win squat
rocky7
LOL…
Simm
Nope just went to their first lcs in 24 years
BaseballisLife
Im betting you think Ted Williams was an overrated, one-dimensional player too.
You probably are also a Q cultist as well.
BaseballClassic1985
Wrong on both counts, but that’s what I’d expect from a soy imbibing lib, most likely Gen Z who believes baseball today is the best its ever been lolz
BaseballClassic1985
Soto was basically a non-factor in the 2022 playoffs. Like I said, overrated
BaseballisLife
Politics. Confirmed Q cultist. Muted.
JoeBrady
So you said:
“You probably are also a Q cultist as well.”
And he replied:
“Wrong on both counts, but that’s what I’d expect from a soy imbibing lib”
So unless I missed something, weren’t you political first?
BaseballisLife
Q is political? I thought it was just conspiracy theory lunatics. So you are saying you know enough about Q to know its political. Interesting. Explains so much.
Captain-Judge99
That said maybe Fitts or Hampton. Thorpe and King will not be traded to San Diego.
Gwynning
Lose our number if that’s your best offer, Cap!
Simm
Cool and Soto won’t be traded to the Yankees. The only difference is the Yankees fans will be mad while the padres fans laugh at them.
BaseballClassic1985
Soto isn’t worth giving up King
Simm
Exactly. The Yankees should keep king and not trade for Soto.
Simm
Haha I don’t care about king.
The dude is overrated big time. Is he even a starter?? If so how many innings will he pitch next year? 120?
Padres ask for king because you guys have very little we want.
towinagain
Pete’s view, no I hope the Padres ‘don’t come to their senses’ and pass on the Yankees.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
8 for 2 is insane..but it was just a starting point.
Guessing they still get something worked out, with the Pads most likely either adding prospects to make it work, or a third team stepping in.
VermonsterSD
Or the Padres stand firm because they don’t really want to trade him unless they get something ridiculous like what they asked for.
Hired Gun 23
Sooooo…what’s really new that hasn’t already been said about this?
Brew88
Nothing much. Expect one or two updates tomorrow, etc… I’d like mlbtr report on the offers from the other 9 teams.
Hired Gun 23
We will get the regurgitated versions after Heyman and Acee spew it out first…
Gwynning
Ad nauseum!
Brew88
Headline tomorrow morning in mlbtr “Cubs interested in Juan Soto”
Hired Gun 23
Brew, as sure as the sun will rise…hahahahahaha
Simm
Gwynning I nominate you to respond to all post that says the padres are broke.
Brew88 you get the Soto isn’t worth squat crowd.
I’ll take the drunk fools.
Gwynning
You’re putting me in charge? Well, my first order of business is putting you in charge! I think the imbibed crowd applies to all 3 categories around these parts…
Gwynning
Let the knuckledraggers continue to think whatever they want, I’m just kicking back playing the “just watch” card now. Cheers gents
Longtimecoming
Simm and Gwynning – I’ll cast the deciding vote and nominate PadsFan to do it?
Brew88
Sure Simm assign me to the truly wacked
Brew88
So is Preller just kickin back
Simm
I’ll second that…pads fan it is.
I’m not sure but isn’t he the guy people claim has like 4 accounts.
So he I’ll be well suited for the task.
Brew88
6 accounts but doesn’t matter, he’s ours
Fire Krall
Padres = Last Place
Longtimecoming
Fin – this will be the last post I see of yours. You offer nothing to life on this site.”
Simm
The padres are only trading Soto for a huge package. They can keep him, trade for pitching and be good to go.
What I hear is the padres asked for a lot. The Yankees decided to go hug a some prospects and the padres said okay…hello blue jays.
I actually like the blue jays pitching options better than Yankees. King as some upside but Thorpe has good umbers but his stuff is meh and his 45fv.
Now the Yankees hear the padres are taking to the jays. So they are like. Preller can we talk tomorrow please…
Yankees are desperate
melfman1
SIMM… you seem as delusional as Preller if you think that’s what happened. No 1 year rental player is worth that kind of a return. Especially not at $38 million in combined salaries.
luclusciano
Thorpe’s stuff is “meh”? I’ve watched him pitch against top prospects (granted – not major league) and he handled them each time I saw him pitch. You never know with prospects, but from what he has shown, his stuff is above average.
Simm
Well fangraphs disagrees they have him as a 45fv prospect. His numbers are good I get that but they grade prospects by potential and unlocking that potential.
His is just more limited. He is also a bit old for a first year guy. So that helps him look good in the lower minors.
I don’t hate Thorpe he just has a low ceiling.
Simm
Sorry, I’ll put it away.
Big cheese G stands for grilled
Soto and Acuna Jnr similar superstars. Acuna’s salary is a steal must wonder what could have been sometimes.
clubber_lang84
Yanks leaked this fake trade demand to placate the fans.
VermonsterSD
Or it’s actually the real demand because Padres don’t really want to trade him.
Fever Pitch Guy
Works – I think Story, Verdugo and Dalbec get it done.
Wheeler Dealer
Why does anyone want to help Preller out??
You can get this guy and Glasnow from Tampa for cheap if you wait it out
Cincyfan85
There’s no way I’d trade all that for one year of anyone. MAYBE Ohtani as a pitcher AND hitter. Why do the Padres think they can get back as good a package as they sent to Washington? It’s 2.5 years vs 1 year of control. Insane.
Simm
No bro…75% of those guys have very little value.
You all look at the number of players and gooo hell no. 99% of you have never heard of most of these guys. Nor will you ever because they aren’t worth crap
Brew88
Dick has a point
VermonsterSD
Because they have some value, but it takes 8 to total what they’re giving up. Their initial trade to Wash included their top 3 prospects plus 2 other top 100 guys. Yankees have a couple fringe mlb guys and Top 100. So they’re not getting close to hat they gave to Wash.
BaseballisLife
Hes a pencil Dick?
1984wasntamanual
Except Betts can actually play some defense.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Sounds reasonable for a superstar player like Soto. Cashman won’t do that deal though. He will hug those prospects till they have no trade value left.
10centBeerNight
Cashman seems desperate. Team has loads of issues not the least of which, a lacking farm. 4th best team in division right now and everyone outside Cashman and WFAN 4 AM callers seems to recognize this
Simm
Cashman is about to be fired and so is preller. You get the star it’s easier to keep your job. You trade the star for scrubs you are done.
So pay or we keep him. The fans want to keep Soto the players want to keep Soto and they can afford to keep him/
That’s why the ask is high.
Brew88
Dueling dead men walking
slider32
Fangraphs has the Yanks as 9th best team right now! You can make the case that they are already a playoff team as is, Rizzo, Stanton, and Rodon will be better next year, and so will the younger players.
Simm
You can or you can make a case they are still 4.th in their division
Gwynning
Rizzo, sure. We all hope so.
“Stanton and Rodon will be better next year.”
You think, you know or you hope?
Simm
They have been trying to
Old York
Soto’s on the decline anyway. Guy will be out of the MLB in 5 years…
Desert Yankee
LOL
VermonsterSD
Lol…. Ok.. ..
KD0067
Soto is a stud. No questioning that. The Yanks will have to overpay because no one would want to “help” them. Cashman has even dubbed prior moves as the “Yankee tax”. I get it. And yes, you’ll have to give up talent for a stud like Soto. But that kind of return??!! Isn’t this something that happens in prison shower rooms??
LordD99
The Padres have to move him. Preller is trying to move him in a market where teams know his hands are a bit tied.
Simm
No his hands aren’t tied at all. They want and hav been trying to expend him.
They will listen to offers but they aren’t trading him without get a big package.
I know you all find that hard to believe but yet here we are with preller asking for a big package.
iml12
I can’t turn on the radio without someone mentioning the padres needing to cut payroll. This website posts something everyday. People aren’t just pulling this stuff out of thin air. 3 weeks ago Kevin Acee just might have been right? Is that a possibility?
Simm
Does that mean he was also right yesterday when he said the padres are trying to trade for burns and are in on every single big name pitcher on the market?
Because that’s what broke teams do.
Hell preller is probably just so bored this offseason he thought he would practice his check on skills. You no because he has never made a big trade or signed a big free agent.
stymeedone
Yet the trade rumors persist and he hasn’t signed that extension. Signing him would definitely end trade speculation. I guess Preller doesn’t want to stop offers from coming in.
BaseballisLife
Padres have not backed off one bit. That is a huge deal. 4 MLB players plus 2 top 100 prospects.
Ball is in your court Cashman. Do you have the huevos to pull the trigger?
BaseballisLife
Now that Ohtani has pretty much said he doesn’t want to play for the Yankees, if Cashman doesn’t both get Soto and get the team to the WS he can kiss his job goodbye.
rocky7
Haven’t read anywhere Ohtani has said he didn’t want to play for the Yankees…..if anything, just hyperbole as to where he might choose to play but not ruling out potential teams……where did you read this?
VermonsterSD
Guaranteed they won’t be sub .500
Pete'sView
Subatomicbunt — San Diego has too many expensive long term contracts to be adding Soto long term.
Simm
San Diego has said the number one priority this offseason was extending Soto.
It’s just harder said then done
Longtimecoming
Sub be careful who you listen to for answers. It’s been reported by reliable sources that has tried to extend Soto but as a Boras client, it isn’t likely because he takes his clients to FA as a rule.
Trying yes, accomplishing, no. However, the reason being the player doesn’t want to be extended, not that SD hasn’t tried.
LordD99
The market for Soto is limited. He’s great, but he’s a rental and expensive.
towinagain
Pass then. Please
Simm
Yeah only 9 teams have asked about him.
It’s one year every team trying to compete next year would take him and his money. It’s a matter of lining up on the huge value the padres have on him.
Brew88
I hear it’s up to 13 other teams now
melfman1
That 8 for 2 package is pure insanity!!!
Sure, we’ll trade you 5 starters under team control for a combined 25 years or so for the privilege of paying $33 million to Soto for a one year rental plus an OF that can’t bat his weight.
If I was Cashman, I wouldn’t bother even re-starting the conversation until they came back to the planet Earth.
Simm
5 starter… a 4th starter and a lot of I hope one day I can be a 4/5 starter.
I can find 5 padres starters right this second id trade for Soto.
Don’t get lost in the number.
melfman1
Those fringe starters combined for 24 major league wins last season and around 400 innings. And they cost around $3.5 million total last year and will likely be under $7 million total this coming year.
Was Soto worth 24 wins last year, remind me?
Brew88
8 nickels for a nickel and a dollar is insane, just not the way u think it is
melfman1
Keep drinking Brew boy
James Midway
Guess the Yankees don’t want him that bad.
Yanks2
I’d rather just get Bellinger and a solid starting pitcher – not one like Carlos Rodon
Simm
Only cost you 250m to hope he doesn’t suck again.
towinagain
DO NOT TRADE SOTO TO THE YANKEES.
The Yankees farm is ridiculously overrated and I guarantee every piece acquired by the Yankees will flame out. Bookmark this.
Realistically, the Padres need a major leaguer in the trade NOT just prospects.
Yankees are better suited to have a third team involved in a trade to acquire Soto.
Can’t stand the Yankees farm. Horrible.
Simm
I agree…move on from the Yankees
sdpadsfan11
The Yankees and the Padres have five top 100 prospects. The difference is that the Yankees five prospects are in the seventy to one hundred range. The Padres should pass on the overrated trash package.
Simm
Padres top prospect has a 65+fv at 17. The Yankees want to trade the padres a 23 year old 95the prospect that has a 45fv.
The Padres already have like 8
Pitchers with a higher ceiling than Thorpe.
Yet the Yankees say they won’t trade him for Juan Soto.
The padres hung up and went back to sleep.
Cashman heard the jays were in and out as like heck…maybe they weren’t going to call back.
Desperate Yankees
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Is there enough room in that Yankee clubhouse for two Superstars? Remember the supposed “chemistry” issue in San Diego. (Although that have centered more around Machado…Soto seems pretty mellow to me.) Judge is mellow too, but he’s always had run of the place. Would Soto play nice and submit to being the #2 Dawg after Judge? Or will there be a pi$$ing contest all season. Booney may have to employ his inter-communications skillset to the max in order to keep that clubhouse loose…also Stanton might be resentful of Soto and perceive him as his replacement.
VermonsterSD
Machado has been nothing but positive here. He gets a bad rap because of his antics in his younger years.
Seaver rules
I month or so ago some writer said Soto wanted to play for the Mets but I can’t remember where I read it. I think he joins his pals Harper and Turner in Philly next winter.
desertdawg
Does anyone thing the Padres have second thoughts now of giving up their top minor league prospects two years ago? Now they are trying to pull the same thing with what they are asking for from the Yankees.
This is sounding more and more like a salary dump along with a overpaid .195 hitting CF.
Now I was reading a article today that the Padres maybe going after 2nd tier starting pitching if they cannot get the Yankees to bite on this fishing expedition. Padres want to cut payroll and hold off spending big dollars on this years FA..
Can’t find any takers are some of the high price talent they have, they can’t afford to just give these contracts away, said they will have to pay some of the cost along with the Hosmer contract, but want to get down to the 175 to 200 million payroll this season.
VermonsterSD
Lol…. Except that the Yankees players they’re asking for can’t touch the prospects the Padres gave up, that’s why the Pads are asking for so much.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Damn! The Padres want a kings ransom for Soto. I don’t think they’ll get 8 players. That’s an insane package
Simm
Once again…I can find 15 players in anyone’s system I’d trade right now for Soto.
Don’t get lost by the number. 80% of them are fridge players.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Seems like a lot for a rental that’s all I’m saying.
BaseballClassic1985
6 or 7 players for Juan Soto lolz gfy, Preller
Mikenmn
The deal, or anything like it, doesn’t make sense for the Yankees. This is not to diminish Soto, who is a terrific player. Nor is it to overhype Yankee prospects and other assets–most of them will not be breakout players, perhaps none of them will be. it’s a problem with the Yankees–they aren’t set of to contend next year, and 2024 is the maximum they can count on getting from Soto–if he doesn’t get hurt. The yankees are too thin virtually everywhere on their roster. They got serious underperformance from the majority of the full-time playerss in 2023, They aren’t going to get a raft of bounce-back years. Their focus needs to be on the years after 2024. If they feel they are a great player way from being a WS contenders in the 2024 off-season, they bid as much as they want for Soto. Now is not the time. Too many holes to fill, too little potential
Simm
See as a padres fan that makes sense.
Reasonable take../Yankees aren’t a Soto away from competing.
Simm
Nah bro, those guys don’t move the needle. The Padres are better off next year with Soto and non of those guys.
Their upside also says in the future they might as well get a comp pick for Soto.
Padres can still sign Lee right now and trade for cease and others
Brew88
Ben so you’re advocating giving up on 24. Ok. But you do understand that the Pads brass are not, at least publicly, right?
Simm
Wrong…padres can keep Soto and trade for starting pitching. Easy enough.
If you think the padres aren’t going to field a championship caliber team next year you are going to be very wrong.
Too much on the line next year.
Prellers job
Fans trust with Peter dead
They will do whatever they have to.
Brew88
Thanks Nix, just curious about your perspective. Will be interesting to see how it plays out!
raisinsss
Can’t wait for tomorrow’s edition of the Juan Soto saga.
The familiarity is comforting.
westcasey
NY should just zero in on Bellinger for CF, save all those assets for down the road deals. Plan on Periera for LF with ‘the martian’ in rehab. Soto could leave after 1 season anyway. Gamble not worth it.
Simm
I totally agree. Go pay bellinger 250m and see how that plays out.
towinagain
I’ll take the Padres farm and the pitchers on the Padres farm over those offered by the Yankees in a Soto trade.
Here’s a take:
A) Keep Soto
B) Supplement the staff and pen by a mixture of guys from the Padres farm and low cost FA’s
C) Swing a trade for a mid-level rotation piece through some offense in the system
Time for the Padres to scout their own system for talent and pass on teams like the Yankees.
Simm
Padres have about 2-3 pitchers with a higher ceiling in the minors right now they could stick in the rotation if they wanted to.
They don’t have to get a single position player and they would be more than fine.
The padres have so many different ways they can go. That’s if they don’t want to spend.
BaseballisLife
Judging from Preller’s past and his previous actions, I think he is more likely to make trades for pitchers to slot in towards the top of the rotation like he did in 2021 for Musgrove, Darvish, and Snell.
The Padres have been linked to Burnes and Luzardo this week and they have the prospects to get both. That just seems like a Preller thing to do.
Scream_name
As a Padres fan, I can say that most of the Padres fans on here are delusional. Like we can afford to keep Soto and sign him to a longterm contract. And also go out and get 3 starters, a DH, and a better center fielder. And then go win multiple championships. I think even Preller knows that’s impossible. It’s embarrassing.
towinagain
You guys are just as delusional to think the Padres are just going to gift wrap him to you with a bow. Yankees farm is ridiculously overrated. I’d trade Soto to the Sox before the Yankees at least their talent is legitimate.
Scream_name
Like I said in the post above, I’m a pragmatic Padres fan.
towinagain
Noticed after I posted. I’ll offer this counter. The Padres need starters that can fill in to replace a Snell, Lugo and Wacha. A trade with the Yankees only provides prospects that are ‘projected’ to fill in. If they don’t turn out you now need to replace an all-star a LF as well. If, as you say, you don’t have the funds then you are trading from your farm to acquire back end rotation pieces, further thinning out your farm. So, essentially you are giving away Soto for nothing in return.
Scream_name
We’re getting rid of Soto for salary relief, because Preller thought it was a good idea to sign Boegarts, pay Manny for an additional 10 years, give Darvish an extension, offer Cronenworth a big unnecessary contract, and shell out 12 million for a washed up Carpenter, all while still paying Eric Hosmer. We’re hamstrung and everyone knows it.
That being said, if we had an additional 33 million to spend and Preller traded a piece or two we may still have a chance this year. The rotation, in it’s current state is not going to get us far in the playoffs, if we can even get there with the likes of Avila, Waldron, and Groome. Just facing the facts, fellas. 2024 is a tightrope. Then maybe Snelling, Lesko, et al arrive and help to right the ship.
towinagain
If that’s is true as advertised, trading with the Yankees is still NOT the best option. The Yankees are only offering un proven prospects. Better to go with our own and trade Soto for at least one major leaguer and prospects. Saw three team trade with Burnes coming back. That’s more like it.
Simm
They don’t need a dh, they don’t even need a center fielder. They will need 3 starters.
They can acquire starters via trade. Also
What will their payroll be this year? Do you as a padres fan know that answer. You seem to be all knowing.
padrepapi
Opponents hit .268/.326/.451 off Clarke Schmidt in 2023. He would have been the Padres 6th starter in 2023.
To think the Padres hope of competing hinges on the likes of landing him while removing Soto is just a wee bit comical.
There aren’t many good SP’s (Jordan Montgomery…
?) in the majors today that were originally Yankee farmhands.
They should probably be trying to deal with teams that have had more success in that department.
outinleftfield
Papi, I think Schmidt would have been minor league depth for the Padres in 2023 behind Musgrove, Darvish, Snell, Wacha, Lugo, and Martinez. He is not a player that moves the needle in any meaningful way for a player of Soto’s caliber.
YanksPhan42
The most laughably ridiculous proposal I’ve seen in years. If I’m Cashman, I tell Preller the offer is Schmidt, Thorpe and Pereiera. If that (or some semblance of that) doesn’t do it, move onto other options.
Like I’ve said before….Yankees are more than one player away from being a WS team…..and trading 6-8 solid prospects for one year is asinine. It also gives Boras a solid upper hand next year (like he needs it) because any team that trades THAT much HAS to resign the guy.
Work the room in Nash this week, Cashman! Plenty of teams would love to have young, controllable arms. Get several GOOD pieces to lengthen the lineup. This isn’t the NBA.
Start with the Cards who still need a starter (even after signing several) and have plenty of young lefty bats.
towinagain
Yankees controllable arms are massively overrated. Better suited to in a trade with a team like the Giants for a Conforto.
Simm
Exactly the Yankees should move on.
rememberthecoop
It doesn’t sound like Soto is going anywhere!
Simm
No it doesn’t.
Longtimecoming
As Padres fans we should feel honored. We are getting as much hate as the Yankees and Dodgers maybe more these days!
Simm
Once the dodgers sign Ohtani that will change.
It will be…at least Ohtani got to play in the playoffs. Unfortunately they still got knocked out in the divisional round.
outinleftfield
From what I heard tonight, I think the Giants are the high bidders on Ohtani.
Longtimecoming
Out – how is the Opry? Been there a few Christmases. Dinner with Pam Tillis? I’m only 2 hours away.
Give us some real Padres rumors.
outinleftfield
This resort is incredible. We have been coming here for nearly 3 decades and it never ceases to amaze me. There are people that drive hours just to see the Christmas setup and don’t even stay here.
All I can do is say what I overhear. Sometimes I don’t recognize the people talking and I won’t spread those rumors, but if I overhear something from people I recognize I definitely will.
I was talking to Logan White when someone came up to congratulate him on a move the Padres supposedly made, but I have not seen anything on here about a Padres trade.
We are going to her show tomorrow night.
Longtimecoming
Good deal. I saw her 20 years ago! If they still have the ice castle go check they out. It was over by the mall area. Back in the 70’s and early 80’s when I was a kid the yearly summer treat was to go to Opryland back when it was an amusement park! General Jackson steamboat is fairly neat to do.
Moneyballer
The yankees probably do not view this as a one year rental. For good reason. They would be one of a few teams that could succeed where the nationals failed and extend him long term! 2024 is a big year for Soto, whoever gets him will have a highly motivated superstar on their hands. Think 2022 Aaron Judge. Can you imagine those two hitting back to back?!?
TheFuzzofKing
No one will extend him.
Be the highest bidder or be disappointed.
Brew88
Pads are learning Boras/soto not likely to sign extension – he’ll be a FA. Pads probably knew that when they traded with Nats.
Rally Goose
Yes they do view it as a rental. He’s a 25 y/o Boras client on a HOF trajectory.
jerseystrongsports
Why would anyone want Grisham included. The Yankees have plenty of OF who can hit .200. SD is looking to get back what they traded for him. But that was with more years on contract. So they hope Yankees cave into pressure. Toronto offer of including Manoh that’s better. A pitcher has fallen quite a bit after his rookie year.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Calling Soto a “superstar outfielder” makes me laugh. He is a liability on the field in any position.
towinagain
Fine by me let him stay a Padre!
Deleted Userr
Because it needs to be repeated on every thread about the Padres, Trent Grisham is not a “trade to offset salary” player. If he was he would have been non-tendered.
teddyj
Ohtani is not signing with Toronto
outinleftfield
Was talking with Logan White, someone I have known since his scouting days with the Dodgers, when someone came up to him and said, “Congratulations! Great trade! Does this mean Soto is off the table now?”
Logan said that he is never sure with AJ.
I am sure we will hear about the trade here soon enough.
Brew88
Apparently Preller and Cashman are meeting tomorrow morning to resume negotiations
Simm
Are you talking about the report from the athletic?
People have been changing the headline and posting it.
No where in that reports does it say they will meet tomorrow. Nor does it say they have arranged to meet.
It basically is saying with them both in the same place they are bound to meet.
Unless you are referring to something else.
Brew88
trusted source of mine connected to Padre circles. Hope not true
outinleftfield
From what I am hearing, Preller is still not here now and its 1 pm on Monday. If they were meeting in the morning, Preller missed it.
Brew’88
not sure if it was an in person meeting, but they were to “talk”
Simm
Preller is there he did an interview from there with Maddie doggy
outinleftfield
I don’t think that is here. There is not one Christmas decoration in that video and every surface is covered here. I may be wrong. They may have found the one area that is not decorated for Christmas.
I found it interesting when asked about payroll that he said “were in the me place we have been for the past 5 years”.
Brew’88
@outinleftfield. Thinking you have a critical typo there. Instead of “me”, hoping you meant “best” or “same” and not “worst”. Or maybe I’m not aware of a Prellerism where he likes to talk abou his me place.
Simm
Yeah he said we are continuing to do what we have here for the last 5 years including payroll.
You can find the interview but it did feel like everything we have heard that the plan hasn’t changed.
I also read Heyman say the Soto camp was told the padres would be sending on offer but haven’t done so yet. Maybe they are testing his free agent value before trying to extend him. Makes s name if you get a huge offer trade him. If you don’t then try an extend him or rise out the final year with him
BaseballisLife
Are you talking about where he said “we’re in the same place we have have been the past 5 years”?
BaseballisLife
On MLB Tonight they said the two teams didn’t meet today. That the teams are so far apart that the negotiations are pretty much over.
Preller said this morning on Mad Dog that they would not be trading Soto anytime soon.
Brew’88
I saw the interview. Preller didn’t exactly say Pads would not be trading him soon He said a lot of nothing. He did expound on how valuable Soto is, which could hint at wanting to keep him, or boosting his value before trading him. So of course, he won’t say either way what he’s thinking, not to the media anyway. He’s definitely not going to say they are trading him as he’d lose all leverage with potential partners right?
Rally Goose
Sure, Jan.
Scream_name
I would do the deal the Padres offered, except no Soto. Just Grisham.
towinagain
A trade of Soto to the Yankees may go.down as one of the WORST MOVES in Padres history.
Brew’88
@towinagain. Frankly, ANY trade of Soto this offseason year will go down as a terrible episode in Padre history. They traded a lot to get him for 3 WS runs at least, and with a lot of bravado that they could sign him long term. If they trade him this offseason it will signify a monumental muff in management planning.
I can see them moving him at trade deadline if they’re out of playoff contention. And if they’re out of playoff contention in late July then bye bye Preller. There are no consolation prizes. Time to bring in new leadership who knows what they’re doing.
Brew’88
@towinagain. ANY Soto trade this offseason would be an admittance of a monumental fail. They gave up a lot to have him for 3 WS runs, to veer from that plan now would have no consolation prize. It would signify serious financial issues are real, or terrible horrible roster management planning. I’d be on the can Preller bandwagon.
Brew’88
which is why I’m nervous as hell. seems like a critical juncture in Padreland.
64' Yanks
Teams are quickly finding that the players on the Yankees are way undervalued because of Yankees forcing the players to follow the analytics and change the way they play the game. It is now known fact the players leaving the Yankees both hitters and pitchers will far outperform their level in the Bronx. The Three Stoogies and Marx’s Brothers could run and coach the Yankees better thanHal, Trashman, and Bozo Boone.
BaseballisLife
Can you name any 64? I can’t think of one.
yanks28
If Hal and the Yankees really want a win they need to get the following players:
Josh Hader
Yamonto
Bellinger
These are a must
You upgrade the rotation and bullpen which both need help bullpen more, and you get bellinger who unlike Soto you’re getting him for more than 1 year and you’re not losing any prospects. Its so silly to give up prospects/rookies when they are under control for a long time eap for a player who said they will def hot free agency and take no extensions no matter where he ends up.
Yankees were smart in 2009
Not because they bought players spent money but because they got exactly what they needed from the free agency in the winter meetings and they also didnt use analytics BS that is proving to not work all the time. Its not hard to build around the great team they already have. Keep the prospects sign the free agents and run the team how we did when we won in 2009 and the previous WS’s .
Pads Fans
The Yankees are desperate right now.
Why?
They finished in 4th place in 2023 and out of the playoffs.
Fans in NYC are all over the place calling for Cashman’s head.
Hal called Cashman on the carpet soon after the season was over.
At the GM meetings Cashman bit reporters heads off when they asked questions.
Season tickets sales reportedly down 40%.
Cashman is nervous and knows that another season with declining sales and no playoffs and he will be out of a job.
They MUST make a huge splash.
Hader, Bellinger, and Yamamoto combined don’t make the kind of splash that trading for future HOFer Soto will.
SportsFan0000
In a Soto deal to the Yankees, The Padres will require
Some or all of the following from the NYY:
1) One of their young OF prospects/players: Jones, Dominguez OR Pereira
2) Top pitching prospect Hampton OR Thorpe
3) Starter Schmitt or Severino
4) Setup guy who could compete for Closer duties(on team OR one of the new relievers NYY just traded for
5) Take CF Trent Grisham
Go to Soto and Boros .
Make them a ONE TIME OFFER 16 YEARS 500M
to complete this trade.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT
TELL THEM IF THEY LEAVE IT THEN THE NYY ARE OUT ON SOJO…
THEY WON’T DISCUSS SOTO THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR OR EVER AGAIN.
DON’T CALL US.
WE WON’T BE PICKING UP THE PHONE.
BEST AND FINAL OFFER.
IF REJECTED, NYY WILL NEVER DISCUSS SOTO AGAIN!
THEY WOULD BE WISE TO TAKE THAT DEAL.
WITHOUT THE YANKEES IN THE BIDDING, SOTO’S OPTIONS ARE MUCH LESS.