Dec. 18: At least six clubs have reached out to the Astros to check in on Valdez’s potential availability, writes Bob Nightengale of USA Today. Houston isn’t actively seeking to trade Valdez but has at least listened to offers on him.
Dec. 15: Front office personnel from opposing teams are “monitoring” the possibility of the Astros trading star left-hander Framber Valdez, writes Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic. The 30-year-old is coming off his second straight top 10 Cy Young finish.
It’s unsurprising to hear opposing clubs are keeping their eye on Valdez. He’d be an upgrade for any rotation in MLB. He has reached 31 starts in each of the past two seasons, leading the American League with 201 1/3 innings back in 2022. Valdez has paired that volume with excellent results, working to a 3.40 ERA over parts of six seasons in the big leagues. He has allowed 3.13 earned runs per nine over the past three years, striking out 23.5% of batters faced and keeping the ball on the ground at a massive 63% clip.
Given that level of success, plenty of teams would be interested if the Astros put Valdez on the trade market. There’s no indication the Houston front office is seriously entertaining that possibility at this point. In response to trade chatter about third baseman Alex Bregman, Houston GM Dana Brown flatly shot down the idea at the Winter Meetings, saying the team is “trying to win here.”
The club could take a similar stance on Valdez. He’s arguably the best pitcher on a team with championship aspirations. Houston’s rotation is solid but has taken some injury hits in recent months. Luis Garcia and Lance McCullers Jr. are each expected to miss roughly half the season as they rehab arm surgeries. The Astros reacquired Justin Verlander to join Valdez and Cristian Javier in the rotation’s top three. José Urquidy joins second-year pitchers Hunter Brown and J.P. France as possibilities at the back end.
Any argument in favor of a Valdez trade is tied to Houston’s payroll outlook. Roster Resource projects the club for a payroll around $222MM, well above last year’s approximate $180MM Opening Day figure. They’re projected right at the $237MM luxury tax threshold, which they haven’t surpassed since 2020. Dana Brown has been rather forthright about the limited money at the front office’s disposal.
MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects Valdez for a $12.1MM salary in his third of four arbitration seasons. With a typically strong season, he’d likely be in line for something in the $18MM range in 2025. Valdez is on track to hit free agency during the 2025-26 offseason at age 32. Brown has previously expressed a desire to extend key players like Valdez, Bregman, Kyle Tucker and Jose Altuve. Thus far, the second-year GM has only worked out a long-term deal with Javier, although there’s a general expectation they’ll be able to get something done with Altuve at some point.
While a trade of a veteran on a notable salary would provide some payroll flexibility, it’s worth noting that Houston doesn’t have a ton of needs on the roster. The Astros replaced Martín Maldonado with Víctor Caratini behind the dish. They appear content with their in-house outfielders despite losing Michael Brantley. While they could stand to add middle innings depth after seeing Hector Neris, Ryne Stanek and Phil Maton hit free agency, trading Valdez to create spending room for a low-leverage relievers wouldn’t make much sense in the short term. A deal could recoup controllable pitching and add some talent to a barren farm system, but it’d be at the expense of a win-now roster.
One less impactful possibility would be to entertain offers on Urquidy. He’s only projected for a $3.5MM salary, so the cost savings would be fairly modest. Yet the front office could look to move him on the heels of an injury-plagued season in which he turned in a 5.29 ERA across 16 appearances. Rosenthal notes that the Astros have looked to trade Urquidy on prior occasions. The return wouldn’t be anywhere near what they’d receive were they to move Valdez, of course, but a deal that sends Urquidy to a rotation-needy team for bullpen help isn’t far-fetched.
Old York
Could be a decent piece to add to the Dodgers rotation. They seem to need help.
texasbug
Dodgers Dodgers that’s all I hear no way
Shadow_Banned
Sheesh yeah well take Framber, he has balls of steel. We need players like that not choke artists.
99CaptainJudge99
Yeah if they don’t sign Yamamoto
Wrian Washman
Yes they need so much help right now how will the Dodgers survive
GOAT Closer Esteban Yan
I’d hate to see him go if for no other reason than to see his first pitch to Adolis Garcia or Marcus Semien in spring training. With him and Maldonado gone, will there be any bad blood left between the Rangers and Astros?
ohyeadam
.01% chance he’s traded imo
User 401527550
Astros are going to be going to be rebuilding in the next couple years.
Shadow_Banned
Rebuilding? They were 1 win away from the World Series.
stymeedone
That was in the past. He’s talking about the future. Players age and contracts expire. That’s just the reality.
jjd002
And they have been saying the same thing for years – yet they continue to end up in the ALCS year after year.
iml12
He was really bad in the playoffs and down the stretch. I wonder if the Astros see something that they don’t like.
BillMueller326
Is he the guy that takes 20 mins between pitches? Zzzzzzzzzz
marrtho
Wait til you hear about this new thing called a pitch clock
BillMueller326
Go on!
Bart Harley Jarvis
Not quite 20 minutes, but he does enjoy playing with his hair between each pitch.
Your daddy
Is anyone worse then Kershaw when it comes to taking their time to pitch?
Wren
Dodgers are in
Big whiffa
Dodgers are out. What do they possibly have to offer ?
User 4095290658
Players to be named in 2033.
Jonny5
Yes, I’m sure the Astros are going to trade their best pitcher.
How about an article about Gerrit Cole possibly being traded next? It has the same likelihood of happening.
Rocker49
If you ever watched baseball you would disagree with your statement lol. Dude was horrific after throwing his no-hitter. The time to sell on him is now, before his value starts going downhill. 2 years left would get a hefty return to a farm system with absolutely nothing. This is a move the Astros NEED to do!
Jonny5
It’s hard for me to take anyone seriously when they end a sentence with ‘lol’
And I’m sure I’ve watched far more baseball than you, son.
A quick glance at his stats will show that in his last 10 starts (after the no-no), 4 of them were bad, 6 of them were good. Not horrific by any measure.
They still have enough talent on their roster this season to compete for a ring, why throw in the towel already?
User 401527550
The Astros are going to be torn down soon. Their farm is depleted and they can’t sign future free agents. They might not have a choice.
Beff Jagwell
You are spot on.
eichejt0570
It’s funny how you and the MLB keep saying the Astros have a terrible farm system but yet they have had a player in the top 5 for Rookie of the Year in like 8 of the previous 8 years!
User 401527550
What’s that got to do with the current farm system?
j_butte
Farm rankings crack me up. I’m a Braves fan so I’ll use them as an example…The Braves have churned out so many quality players that were never on a top 100 list anywhere, while simultaneously watching plenty of top guys never produce in the big leagues. Because I’m probably the oldest guy here, I’ll use the recent example of Michael Harris versus Christian Pache to prove my point.
steelerbravenation
Harris was a Top 100 prospect.
The problem with the Braves farm ranking has been the fact they move their guys up too fast for them to catch up. You see AS-S is Top 50 & he already has his feet wet in the bigs.
Most of the prospect rankings come about off potential rather than production.
Pache always had worries his hit tool wouldn’t catch up to his defense.
User 401527550
Yes let’s use the Braves as an example. Acuna was ranked as top prospect. Accurate. Riley was top thirty prospect. Not bad but he’s out performed. Fried top ten prospect. Accurate. Albies. Top ten prospect. Accurate. Harris was top 100 and has exceeded expectations as previous poster has pointed out. Not sure where your complaint on Brave evaluations is at.
Your daddy
It means rating prospects is hard and you should stop listening to espn for your info. How high was Chaz rated on prospect lists? How about Luis Garcia? Yordan is signed long term tucker probably follows Dana Brown already said he wants to extend Bregman. The Astros dropped the dead weight in Krusty Dusty and Maldy while giving a stud like Yainer Diaz the starting catcher spot. Maybe you should worry about the Mets not repeating 2023 before pretending to be a farm expert
Your daddy
Was Strider ever ranked high on any lists? If not that’s all you need to know about rankings that dude is a beast
Your daddy
If it was that easy to predict baseball wouldn’t the Mets have won it last year with that all star team which was the highest payroll in baseball history? Oh wait Mets were out of contention by the summer
Dynasty
Awful post #1
Dynasty
Awful post #2
Your daddy
Troll post #1
Your daddy
Troll post #2
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Okay who is trolling who now?
User 401527550
I don’t get you all. I just pointed out the Brave were all highly rated and panned out and you’re still gripping.
User 401527550
He was a relief pitcher. That’s on the Braves.
James123
I could see the Os make a big offer on Cease and get turned down- and make the same offer for Frambler.
If you want mlb ready talent that either just reached or is knocking on the door of the bigs- the Os have a ton of that. Joey Ortiz, Connor Norby, and throw in Austin Hayes (as he may be without a home next year) and i think you have an offer the Os could live with and the Stros would take.
I throw the Os out there- as they are the team with a ton of MLB ready prospects, and need to cash in those chips before they become 26 year olds that have never made it to the bigs (Ortiz is about to become that guy)- where they are no longer prospects, and what you are doing with them will be what everyone else values them as.
Manfred’s playing with the balls
Stros see what the Rays got for 1 year of Glasnow and are interested in what they could get for Valdez. Makes sense. Chi should be looking to move Cease too. If not this winter, then at the deadline. They can restock more prospects that they desperately need.
Rocker49
You are 100% right, Astros need to trade Framber. It’s their only hope to restock some young talent they do not have coming up. Framber is a head case, and was horrible after throwing his no-hitter. The time to sell is now, otherwise in a year they will be kicking themselves.
Your daddy
Okay so let’s say they trade Framer to restock the farm like you suggest. What does their rotation look like? Garcia and McCullers are out until the all star break they are saying so the rotation is Verlander, Christian Javier who was terrible last year, Hunter Brown, JP France and ???
Yep seems real smart for the Astros to trade one of the stop pitchers in baseball so they can use some AAAA pitcher like Brandon Bielak consistently during the season.
Point proven no chance the Astros trade framber
stymeedone
I would assume that the young pitcher they get back in the deal would take that 5th spot.
James123
The value of MLB ready guys like that is super high. I could see a team like the Os be happy to trade Ortiz and Norby in a package for Frambler, but would balk at their less heralded pitching prospects like McDermott and Povich being included.
Everyone needs pitching all the time.
omar salazar
trade framber, tucker, bregman and verlander. let’s gets some cheap talent back. we are not gonna win it all next year. might as well build a young team around alvarez and christian.
❤️ MuteButton
I can’t say for sure that I agree with you. But I do agree they need to commit to one direction or another. Going in halfway and trying to tread water is a way to eventually sink.
Your daddy
How are they going halfway? They were 1 win away from the World Series. All they had to do is win 1 out of 2 games at home and unfortunately they failed. Now sure the quotes coming out about Jeff Bagwell and Reggie trying to push the organization away from analytics is sad to hear but the Astros are still a top 5 team in baseball. Who’s better in the AL? Orioles okay hell I’ll even give the defending champs the Rangers their due and include them. So 2 teams are better and you guys think now is the time to sell everyone? I know the Astros have been on an amazing run but don’t forget the 3 100 lose seasons in a row. You really want the Astros to follow the rockets lead and be the worst team for 3 years ?
stymeedone
Rebuilding happens to every team that doesn’t ignore the CBT thresholds. No one wants it to happen. It just does.
James123
At least baseball now discourages it. i think you now cannot pick in the lottery 3 years in a row or something like that. So getting 3 top 5 picks in a row will not happen anymore. After your 2nd you need to be thinking about contending.
Cody1981
Makes sense to the Royals
Jake Biggar
So the Astros who are contending are just going to trade their best starter lol
Joel P
I can’t see any scenario where the Astros trade Valdez. None at all.
Big whiffa
How bout to boston or SD ? There’s been some decent pitching gobbled up by small markets. That’s going to leave some large markets looking to add pitching when they get passed over by guys left on FA market.
ckc12537
I really hope they trade him. He’s not that good, had one lucky season. Keuchel 2.0
Astros2017&22Champs
Keuchel 2.0? Keuchel averaged 89 on his heater. Framber throws his 2 seamer at 94 and it can touch 96. He complements it with a filthy curve. Ask the Phillies about it. Head case? His teammates adore him. His biggest problem is melt downs. But the guy pitched over 200 innings last season. That’s unheard of nowadays
ckc12537
That’s cool – he also lost us the 2021 WS and the 2023 ALCS. He needs to go. He’s trash.
Astros2017&22Champs
That WS he won us in 2022 doesn’t matter in your feeble mind? Interesting. I wonder what starter you approve of? Sandy Koufax?
ckc12537
I literally said one lucky season. Can you read?
Astros2017&22Champs
He’s pitched well 3 straight seasons. Every star pitcher fails in the postseason. By your standards zack wheeler, aaron nola, gerrit cole, kershaw, fried, scherzer, etc, all suck. Your feeble brain is shocking. It’s like you demand perfection. Replacing framber with a prospect is stupid. Its baseball. Guys struggle. They rebound.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
You know nothing about pitching do you ?
Unclenolanrules
Too many Playstation GM’s now.
User 401527550
But he got you there. Fans can be so ungrateful.
Beff Jagwell
I feel the exact same way. The return on those 4 would be significant and could be impactful immediately. I think the window has closed and this sets them up to compete long-term.
Astros2017&22Champs
Do you pay attention to the Astros? Their window is open. They just have to figure out who to extend. Too many young players on the team. 7 straight ALCS. It will be 8 next year. Book it
User 401527550
The Rangers have that division locked up for the foreseeable future.
Reyday
No they don’t their pitching isn’t that strong even with DeGromm coming back. Max is another year older your bullpen is below avg. Also Evoldi is a hit or miss guy every year with injury concerns. The hitting will carry but I don’t trust Rangers pitching at all
Your daddy
The rangers didn’t even with the division in 2023…
stymeedone
They do? Most of the pitching staff isn’t available until July.
Blue Baron
@Mets6986??: Careful not to fall for the last year’s winner fallacy. Every year, people overrate the previous year’s winners based on recency bias.
Beff Jagwell
I am a season ticket holder, I’m just not a homer. The team is aging and money is tied up in poor investments (Abreu, Montero, Pressley, etc). Bregman will be gone next offseason, Tucker the year after. If they wanted to sign extensions, they already would have.
The Astros farm is depleted and there is no one coming up to replace any of the pending FAs. Tucker has no interest in an extension, and it’s obvious.
The window is closing fast.
astros_fan_84
Those 3 players amount to about 60M total. Maybe they’re overpays, but they aren’t closing the window.
Beff Jagwell
Those were just examples of excessive money. An injury to Tucker, Alvarez, Bregman, or Altuve is something this team isn’t built to endure. There is literally no one to step up and provide even league average play in a lengthy absence of any of those guys. Pitching is already stretched very thin due to injuries, so any additional injuries and they are forced to put a huge risk in the injured person’s spot.
This team has zero depth in the lower levels that could step up immediately. I love the Astros, but I’m also intelligent enough to understand the dangerous spot they are in standing pat. But, they will do it so it gives the average fans the virtue signaling that they are “going for it,” so they will still attend games.
astros_fan_84
The astros are a top pick to win the AL according to Vegas. They are supposed to be going for it. The window will eventually close and, at that point, tough decisions will need to be made. But that’s not this year.
eichejt0570
They suffered injuries last year to Alvarez and Altuve that took both of them out of the lineup for long periods of time and endured. What are you talking about!
eichejt0570
Pressly, might want to learn how to correctly spell his name, gave up 0 earn runs in the 2022 playoffs and the 2023 playoffs. How is he a “poor investment”?
Blue Baron
@astros_fan_84: They’re only a top pick in Vegas because a lot of people are willing to take low odds to bet on them.
Sports books set odds as low as they can to attract bets. It’s just pricing and has nothing to do with the team’s actual chances of winning.
Your daddy
Who is better in the AL Blue balls? Orioles and Rangers that’s it
Blue Baron
That’s not the question. The real question is who will be better NEXT SEASON.
It could be any number of teams that get hot and/or have things break right for them.
We don’t know yet, and that’s why the games are played.
Your daddy
Okay a fair enough in your opinion what teams this coming season will be better than the orioles the rangers or the Astros?
Blue Baron
Don’t know yet. Again, that’s why the games are played.
A year ago, who thought the Dbacks and Rangers would meet in the World Series?
stymeedone
The healthy team.
Your daddy
You can make an educated guess come on man.
In the west you figure Astros rangers mariners have a chance
In the central well okay that division is probably wide open but whoever comes from it is probably knocked out in the first round
In the east the orioles are scary and the blue jays depending on the moves they make.
So potentially 5 teams with a chance in the AL
Your daddy
Muted
texgal01
Brown does not want to get rid of anyone. Thinks we going WS next season. I see that Rangers lost Scherzer till possibly mid season as he had back surgery. Their rotation will be Jon Gray, Heaney, Dunning, Eovaldi at this point. Mid season June or later might have Scherzer, De Grom, Tyler Hynle the just got. But all this talk of Framber being traded, Bregman and Meyers are baloney to Dana. Says we need them to take to WS .
If Framber and Javier flop again and Verlander age shows more we are in real trouble. Beyond that we have no pitchers. Brown whether turns it around. France talk of him to bullpen. McCullers as well when returns looks to maybe go bullpen with his injury issues. Whitley as well if makes roster. I am not banking on this rotation.
Hitters Bregman needs to step up, Peña, Abreu, Chas and Meyers. Chas and Meyers are not good as our outfield. Houston is not using Dubon in outfield. They still high on nobodies Chas and Meyers. Even with Chas in more some last season he did not impress me fully. He had moments and some good defense. Meyers has defense. Doubt he improves and if stumble out of gate who knows. Will Rangers even survive if do not get Montgomery or such.
But doubt Framber will be traded. Espada says no and Dana
Beff Jagwell
I think they are delusional if they really think this is still a championship team. Aging stars, no great youth on the horizon. Trade high leverage assets and retool quickly.
Joel P
Window is still open dude. The team traded away prospects at the deadline last year. Went to the ALCS. No reason to blow it all up now.
CamFrost
They were 1 game from the WS this year.
letsplaytwo
The Astros were also two games from finishing in third place in the division.
Astros2017&22Champs
Tucker and yordan 26. Javier 26. Urquidy 27. Hunter 24. Pena 26. Brian abreu 26. Bregman 29. Either youre a troll or you just dont follow or understand baseball dude
User 401527550
And they can’t sign them when they become free agents.
ckc12537
I really think they need to make a decision whether to overpay for Bregman’s decline or to trade him while he’s worth something. They should also get whatever they can for Urquidy and Valdez, or trade Brown instead. We cannot depend on Urquidy/Valdez/Brown. That is far too volatile.
I wholeheartedly agree – no great youth on the horizon. They need to acquire some AA/A+ talent
eichejt0570
You are a joke. They were one win away from winning the World Series. Yes they would have easily beat the D-Backs anyone who made it through the AL would have.
User 355748524
Agree 100% with you. It just feels like injuries have robbed this team of the starting pitching when they need it most be it this year or 2021. 2022 we finally had a healthy rotation and this year we had to rely on the unproven youth and while the results COULD have been worse..they could have been better too.
clubberlang
The Astros were 5 wins away from hoisting another championship banner. People can keep sleeping on Houston. I won’t.
letsplaytwo
The Astros were lucky mot yo finish in third place this season.
Beff Jagwell
The Astros were also close to missing the playoffs. You guys can be homers all you want and cite player ages, but that’s just hilarious. You have to sign them long term or their age doesn’t matter. Tucker and Bregman will be gone, so get something for them. Leverage your assets and retool, so you aren’t left having to rebuild.
I’m a real Astros fan, not some homer who is an obvious fan girl that doesn’t understand the long game. The farm is barren, the MLB talent is adequate, and not top tier anymore. It’s time to RETOOL.
ckc12537
Chas McCormick was just as good offensively in 2023 as Cody Bellinger. This myth that he isn’t a good hitter is absolutely stupid, and really need to be put to bed.
Here’s a fun comparison of one beloved Astros OF versus McCormick 2023:
.270/.361/.491 131 OPS+
.273/.353/.489 130 OPS+
And it isn’t limited to 2023, McCormick has hit since he was optioned to AAA in June 2022. For 692 PA’s, .270/.356/.465 for a 130 wRC+.
Beff Jagwell
I am unsure why people say McCormick isn’t good. I also think he’s a very solid hitter. He won’t be an all star, but he’s quite good.
ckc12537
He strikes out too much is the only knock on him. But the value is there.
eichejt0570
Aaron Judge was the leader in Striking Out in 2017!
Your daddy
Chaz is a top 10 CF even with Krusty Dusty hating on him last year? Girls don’t know sports
RyanD44
Pitchers with forearm issues scare me. Bieber and Framber both had forearm issues last year and just happen to be on the block.
rundmc1981
Don’t forget about Fried (July ’23).
letsholdemandgohome
“There’s no indication the Houston front office is seriously entertaining that possibility at this point.” (trading Valdez).
Then I’m a little perplexed why it is even a story. Hot stove must be cooling off I guess.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Agreed. Any story writer who says Houston replaced Maldonado with Caratini clearly hasn’t been paying attention.
Your daddy
Didn’t even notice that. Shame on you Anthony Franco for forgetting about the myth, the legend, the hero Yainer Diaz. He is such a stud how did Krusty keep him on the bench so much??
stymeedone
Diaz was the starter at the end of the year. Maldonado was the backup.
Therefore Caratini is replacing Maldonado.
Big whiffa
I think they are looking for people to click read and comment. Seems to be there business model
kylek58
This is such an empty headline. This report was made up just to get clicks, there is no way Valdez gets moved.
Unclenolanrules
Haha advertising works and you’ve been exploited.
Have a Coke™️
Rocker49
LOL at the people saying Framber is the Astros best starter. Those are people who don’t watch baseball :))))))
TrumboRedux
Ssttfffuuu Rocker you sicko!
TrumboRedux
This guy is the nastiest pitcher I have ever seen. He isn’t going anywhere!
Beff Jagwell
Then you’ve seen about two pitchers.
TrumboRedux
Sorry bud, I know supreme filth when I see it! Framber will notch at least 2 or 3 CY’s before he hangs up the spikes! Why are you trolling though?
Beff Jagwell
So when someone doesn’t agree with you, that makes them a troll? And he won’t even have 1 CYA when he’s done.
TrumboRedux
I think when you initially disagreed with my assesment of Valdez, that you bluntly told me I’ve only seen “2 pitchers.” Because I didn’t agree with you right?
TrumboRedux
Wouldn’t that constitute a “troll comment?” Or do you still think I’ve seen merely 2 pitchers?
Beff Jagwell
No, it’s called sarcasm.
TrumboRedux
Me deeming you a Troll was sarcastic too..Truce…
Beff Jagwell
We shall put the weapons away and combine to fight a greater enemy!
Astros2017&22Champs
Framber is our best starter lol. I cant even comprehend how u dont think thats true. JV is still very good. But framber is our ace
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
They jinxed him about being healthy… it usually hits pitchers at some point. He might be fine, but you never know. That wouldn’t prevent me for trading for him, but I figured I would just say they’re jinxing him
wvsteve
Stros are wild card team at worse. They just need to stand pat after they add a few BP arms get to the deadline and see what they need. They got another run or two left
Mehmehmeh
The only way the FO would move Framber is if the relationship with him has fallen apart behind the scenes and he has made plain that he will not sign an extension. There’s nothing public to indicate this, aside from his personal catcher quickly being shown the door this off-season.
Personally I think it would be selling low after last season & postseason. Framber will benefit from learning to manage himself under the pitch timer and also from working with a C possessing actual framing skills.
stymeedone
They would move him if they found he’d been partying with Wander.
WSnotAstros2017
Framber is no Ace material. Neither is Javier. Verlander is aging. He might have a fair season.
I doubt trade him but at deadline they may have to look for a lot.
This team may be lucky extremely lucky if reach top.
Maybe due to Rangers if they do not have the pitching with what they have going in to this point and what could be mid season or later.
Angels doubt show much with Trout aging and his injury woes has had. No Ohtani etc.
I still think will be a miracle with Chas. He has not impressed me enough for a full season. Yes he has a push then fumbles. Then another little push. But nothing I would bank on.
He may surprise this season.
Meyers: I definitely think should have gotten rid of.
But we shall see if all the hype lives this upcoming season.
All the hype last season didn’t live up. Take Framber and Javier thinking they Aces they are not.
Then at deadline what do you do get Graveman and Verlander who were very mediocre. Graveman was hurt. But still I see a lot of question marks
jhomeslice
Over the past two years, Valdez averaged 200 innings, which was more than anybody other than Cole and Mikolas during that time. The Astros made it to the ALCS for the 7th straight year and are clearly in “win now” mode. If they traded him it would create a huge hole in the rotation. It’s hard to fathom anything they could trade Valdez for that would make them better, or that they would deal him for even very good prospects. He’s a horse, pretty damn good on a team that wants to win now. I’ll believe he gets traded when I see it.
Beff Jagwell
They may claim to be in win-now, but they are no longer the team to beat. The lineup is questionable when Pena, Abreu, Meyers, and McCormick are taking up 45% of it. Pitching staff has an aging HOFer, Framber the head case, inconsistent Javier, and a bunch of constantly hurt guys. Pressley is overrated, and the rest of the bullpen is meh.
Trade Framber now while his value is still high.
AllinTX
Makes more sense to trade Verlander.
astros_fan_84
The people saying “trade for prospects” need to tell me which prospects they’d like back. Since 2015, the astros have been adding win-now pieces almost every year.
The only impact player the team would have regretted trading was Josh Hader. Other than that, there isn’t a single trade that haunts the franchise.
I’m all for a strong farm, but I think trading impact players for prospects is far more risky than most fans think.
Beff Jagwell
The Orioles have a ton of high ceiling, top prospects. Star there.
stroh
Stros are not trading Framber.
Astrosfn1979
The Astros will struggle to compete for a wildcard in 2026, but as of now they are the best team in the AL for 2024.
They have 8 potential all star position players.
They have 2 healthy aces, 2 healthy mid rotation starters, 2 healthy #4-5 starters and 2 guys who should be top 3 starters who will be healthy after the all star break. They have 2 of the best relief pitchers in baseball then a bunch of guys who need to step up.
That adds up to a World Series contender.
Beff Jagwell
This might be the biggest homer response I’ve seen yet. You claim they have 8 possible all star position players?? Who?? Alvarez, Tucker, Altuve, Bregman, and who?? Diaz is a maybe. Pena isn’t an all star. McCormick and Meyers are certainly not all stars. If you say Abreu, you should delete your account and sign off permanently from the internet.
You also claim they are the best team in the AL, well the Rangers just won the World Series (). I think that makes them the favorites. Yankees made moves to greatly improve as well. Baltimore is probably better than the Astros too. Am I seriously the only Astros fan alive who isn’t a massive homer that thinks the team as currently built is a true contender??
Astrosfn1979
1) Jose Altuve – no explanation needed.
2) Yordan Alvarez – no explanation needed.
3) Kyle Tucker – All MLB (2nd team) for the 3rd year in a row in 2023 @26 yrs old.
4) Yainer Diaz – 55 catchers had 150+ PA in 2023 and Diaz’s 170 wRC+ as a catcher last year was best in MLB.
5) Alex Bregman – He was 4th in AL in wRC+, 3rd in fWAR, and in a contract season.
6) Chas McCormick – 51 players had 150 PA between LF and CF last year and only Mike Trout had a higher wRC+ in the AL and he plays very good defense and Steals Bases.
7) Framber Valdez – has been in the top 10 CY Young voting 2 consecutive seasons.
8) Ryan Pressly – 2 time all star still one of the best relief pitchers in MLB.
9) Justin Verlander – still effective, biggest name on team and already a HOFer.
10) Bryan Abreu – will be 27 and his stats are ridiculous. He may be the best relief pitcher in all MLB.
So tell me which 3 of them have no chance to be am All-Star and why.
Astrosfn1979
Sorry. My fault for not remembering my own post or reading your response thoroughly.
The 7th and 8th position players with a chance to be all stars are.
7) Jose Abreu – 2020 AL MVP who had a first half beyond terrible, but was good after his back issues were addressed, great in the post season and ended up w/ 103 RBI in 152g including the playoffs. If he is healthy he can be an all star
8) Jeremy Pena – glove has never been an issue. Struck out too much as a rookie but reduced Ks to 18.3% in 2nd half last year but lost all lift on the ball despite still having hard contact. Kerp the K reduction butcadd the piwer back in. This is the year he puts it all together – 20+ HR and 115 wRC+, and GG defense.
Beff Jagwell
Jose Abreu is no longer anywhere near all star level, and Pena isn’t a top 5 AL shortstop, so he can’t be considered an all star. He may not even be top 10 in the AL.
Beff Jagwell
Everyone “has a chance,” but you can’t play hypothetical until they actually put up. McCormick, Diaz, and Abreu all COULD BE, but aren’t. They could all also flop mightily.
Astrosfn1979
I never said any of them ARE all-stars, not even Altuve or Alvarez.
I simply said they have a chance, and I sincerely believe all 8 have a chance, but I freely acknowledge some are much more likely than others.
As for those you mentioned :
McCormick WAS a top 2-3 centerfielder in the AL last year. And that was with a manager actively working to keep him down.
Diaz was the best catcher in the AL per game and per PA last year. Again, his manager sabatoged him.
As for Pena, you are right that he has not been a top 5 or 10 SS but he is still young and improving has won a gold glove and been the best player in baseball for 3 weeks in October-November 2022.
Abreu is older. But maybe the sun can shine for another few months. He was great in September and October.
Let’s see what happens over 162 games
Astrosfn1979
Fangraphs has them listed with the most potential WAR in the AL, even after NY got Soto.
Winning last year has nothing to do with being the favorite this year.
The Rangers still have lots of pitching to replace, are hoping several players repeat career years, and are relying on a couple very young inexperienced players to replace veterans.
The Yankees are very top heavy and not deep. They have Judge, Soto, Cole and a bunch of average to mediocre guys.
Orioles are still thin and inexperienced in the rotation.
Mariners have taken an average lineup and made it worse.
Blue Jays lost multiple starting position players from a wild card team and not replaced them.
I think the Astros have the best, most well rounded team in the AL.
JoeBrady
I’m not quite sure why we need an article to explain why a trade of Valdez is unlikely.
But that said, any time a contender is looking to trade an SP, they likely know something you don’t know.
Htown_smack
Trading Bregman, Tucker, and Valdez would rebuild the barren farm system and help the Astros remain in contention longer. It makes sense rather than letting them walk with nothing in free agency or worse yet paying them huge long-term contracts based on past performances.
Beff Jagwell
Shhh, you cannot introduce logic here. It will trigger and offend the weak ones.
Astrosfn1979
The team can either try to win another World Series in 2024 and, with slightly less chances, 2025 or make a trade and hope to stay competitive longer.
In the next two seasons, Altuve, Bregman, Tucker, Framber, Verlander, Pressly, Urquidy, Graveman, Montero, and Jose Abreu will all be FA with only Altuve expected to be brought back and a barren farm system.
Without a trade, they don’t make the playoffs in 2026 and probably longer
Beff Jagwell
Again, you guys are going to trigger the feeble ones who don’t understand that!
This one belongs to the Reds
I am laughing reading some of these comments. Most teams would love to have this guy.
Thanks for the laughs this morning. I needed that.
Beff Jagwell
EVERY team absolutely would, which is why the Astros should strike while the iron is hot!
Footjoyboi
Astros were extremely close to winning back-to-back World Series. Literally feet away…Bregman hit in Game 1 a few feet right of being the potential game winner. Games 3, 4, 6 and 7 of ALCS were blowouts, but Games 1, 2 and 5 could’ve gone either way and the winner of the ALCS was essentially World Series champion guaranteed with Diamondbacks being on deck. They had a crappy easy out with Maldonado which is now resolved and everything essentially the same. Window is open until Bregman and Tucker hit free agency, and even then they might decide to stay with the Stros since they are so engrained in the city, not to mention those HEB commercial revenues.
Beff Jagwell
Bregman is 10 months away from free agency.
steelerbravenation
All things being equal health wise I would much rather the Braves trade for Framber than Cease.
Only thing is the forearm & his regression after the no hitter last year would worry me.
I really think once Yamamoto, Montgomery & Snell all come off the board Burnes & Bieber get traded the White Sox are gonna lose the value they believe they have in Cease & the Braves will get him for nowhere near the return the White Sox believed they would get.
Jagsmanohman
Chris Getz has entered the chat and doodied in his pants
rundmc1981
AA loves to do deals with old friends, and he hasn’t connected with former head scout: GM Dana Brown, so LFG! Give em some 8K cameras and call it a day!
WSnotAstros2017
I am an Astros fan no matter. Was even with their 3 seasons of over 100 losses.
But I do have questions.
Hitters: Bregman he can hit and play D. But last season he had more downtime with hitting. No guarantee he is going to rip cover off this season.
Pena: He was great his rookie season and such but did not materialize last season.
McCormick is ok but still not the best of outfielders.
Meyers: Since his injury a couple seasons ago has not been the same. Now not sure if the injury was cause or if he just went south. But he is no full time CF either.
But him and McCormick can take over for Maldonado and stink at bottom of lineup.
Abreu: Will he rebound. Some say his back issues could have hampered him but not sure. Yes picked it up very late but still questions. He will have another season and then we could be looking at need for 1st base regularly soon. Depending on what he does this season to see if his 3rd year is or isn’t
Altuve: Will retire in Houston So will extend him
Tucker: Will have a couple seasons left then be gone am sure.
So could have 1st and 3rd and maybe SS to be looking at possibly after this season. and maybe Outfield totally if not sooner
Pitchers: Framber and Javier are questionable. Granted had a good showing first month or so. But after flopped rest of season. Javier was great in playoffs but Houston was not. Javier didn’t have it in the game that decided Houstons NO WS Fate and Rangers moving on. They wanted it and more.
Brown has not proven himself. He has the stuff but whether he turns it around
Urquidy: Is no ace or anything. Think he is bullpen as he gets into trouble after 2 or 3 innings.
France: IF gets moved to bullpen perhaps.
McCullers: Looking at bullpen for him too
Garcia: 2nd half of season or later so not sure what will have. Will he be what he was.
Verlander: What will he have this season. Could be his last unless he gets his innings that will guarantee him for 2025
We let him walk to start lasat season and thought Framber and Javier were tops when won WS in 22 so we will be ok. We were not even with them. So had to get Verlander again as his Mets season didn’t pan out.
Bullpen: Montero, Pressly, Abreu and Graveman. Coleman??? and all the others we had up and down lasat season. Whitley???
But we shall see what all comes. I just think seeing what a player/pitcher does one season does not guarantee it for more seasons and beyond.
I just wonder with Management/Ownership and more too. Since Luhnow we have not had anything big our way. Him going out and getting Verlander and other things. I still look on him for some of the good things.
Click: Questions with him.
Ok off my soapbox. I just hope this team comes out better than last year and a lot more this upcoming season
thomasg1951
Crane is more concerned with diversity
Cleon Jones
Valdez for Luzardo straight up
Beff Jagwell
Astros laugh hysterically and hang up.
jvent
Valdez and Bregman to the Mets, if they want to reduce payroll and get younger, for Baty, Parada, Jarvis, Butto and a SS prospect. If Yamamoto doesn’t sign with the Mets, then trade for Burnes ( Vientos, Jackson, Allan and a SS prospect).
Beff Jagwell
Mets could be a good fit.
padam
I’d move Bregman and Altuve before Valdez. Valdez’ pitching style lessons the chance of injury and he’s clutch. At 31 I see him pitching effectively for the next 4-6 years. Doesn’t rely on heat, and precision with deception is top shelf. Sprinkle in Verlander for a full year and the story may be different at the end of the season.