The Giants have been exploring the trade market for a potential shortstop upgrade, reports Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle, who adds that the team’s recent signing of Tom Murphy to a two-year deal could lead to former top catching prospect Joey Bart being moved Some combination of Bart, young pitching and/or outfield talent could conceivably be used to add the desired help at shortstop.
With Brandon Crawford becoming a free agent for the first time in his career, top prospect Marco Luciano currently resides atop the Giants’ depth chart at shortstop. Casey Schmitt, who made his MLB debut this past season at age 24, is another option at the position, as is 26-year-old Tyler Fitzgerald, who also made his debut in 2023. The Giants have begun to use Fitzgerald more frequently at other positions in the minors, however.
Suffice it to say, it’s an inexperienced group. Luciano has the highest ceiling of the group, but the 22-year-old hit just .231/.333/.308 with 17 strikeouts in 45 plate appearances during last year’s MLB debut and struggled in Triple-A, too, where he slashed .309/.321/.418 with a 36% strikeout rate. Luciano only turned 22 in September, so some struggles at the top minor league level and especially in the big leagues aren’t exactly cause for full-scale alarm bells to sound.
That said, those struggles also suggest that Luciano could benefit from some further development time in Triple-A. Giants president Farhan Zaidi said last month that organization was hopeful Luciano could seize the role but also noted the importance of having some insurance. Considering Schmitt hit just .206/.255/.324 through 90 games in his own debut while Fitzgerald has just 34 MLB plate appearances, a more established option would be a sensible acquisition.
Slusser speculatively lists Ha-Seong Kim of the division-rival Padres and Milwaukee’s Willy Adames as options, though it’s not clear the Giants have had meaningful discussions on either. Both would be one-year stopgaps; Kim has a mutual option for the 2025 season, and Adames is entering his final year of arbitration.
Mutual options, it should be noted, are almost never exercised by both parties. Kim won’t have six years of MLB service even if/when he declines his end of the 2025 option, but MLBTR confirmed at the time of his signing that he’ll still be a free agent when the contract is up. Adames, meanwhile, is hardly a lock to be moved at all. Even as his free agency draws near, the Brewers are still planning to contend in 2024 and would likely only move him if it meant acquiring MLB-ready talent in return.
There are other options to consider. The Twins seem likely to trade Kyle Farmer this offseason, given their crowded infield mix. Zaidi is plenty familiar with Farmer, who was drafted by the Dodgers, where Zaidi previously served as general manager. The Reds, Guardians, Cardinals and Rays all have ample infield talent as well. Not all of those teams are in need of a catcher specifically, although including Bart (and perhaps others) is of course just one of many paths the Giants could take to addressing the issue.
The 27-year-old Bart was the No. 2 overall draft pick back in 2018. He’s appeared in parts of four big league seasons but posted an anemic .219/.288/.335 batting line with a 35.4% strikeout rate. Bart, who’ll be out of options in 2024, is a .274/.357/.434 hitter in 554 Triple-A plate appearances. He’s been leapfrogged on the depth chart by another former first-rounder, Patrick Bailey, who batted just .233/.285/.359 as a rookie but also graded out as arguably the best defensive catcher in MLB.
JackStrawb
Are you listening, Steve?
You can probably get a 45 FV prospect while eating no salary for Lindor, given the price of 29 yo 6 WAR SS’s last offseason.
Make it a real rebuild and trade Alonso as well.
MetsFanSince05
So the Mets should trade arguably the best shortstop in the majors for a 45 FV and salary relief? All this after they payed down the salary’s of Verlander and Scherzer to get better returns.
Ma4170
If you could get luciano and harrison for lindor, would you? Would the giants? Probably no to both, but its fun to speculate.
bag o ballz
the giants would not do that trade ever. You are basically plucking the 2 young guys that they are planning on building around – which is one of the reasons to trade for guys at the position and moving them for a more expensive older guy – it is kind of the opposite of what the plan seems to be moving forward
Pete'sView
No, mostly because of Harrison. I think Luciano will end up in the outfield.
Anyway, I still propose that the Giants and Cardinals match up extremely well. Giants deal one of their top young arms (not Harrison) plus Matos, Ramos and Bart (the throw ins) for Tommy Edman to play SS for SF. Might even take a little more to the Cards to make it happen, but St, Louis really needs some young arms b/c Gibson and Lynn are embarrassing short-timers..
bag o ballz
edman has been a discussion since mid last year – farhan has been interested but I think the cards have been hesitant to move him. FWIW edman actually has almost triple the trade value of lindor, I think people tend to overvalue the guys they watch all the time.
Ma4170
More value according to BTV? Come on, there’s no team that will give more in return for Edman than for Lindor, that’s not even reasonable, Lindor’s remaining deal isn’t even that high now considering that he’s easily top 3 SS in MLB overall. There’s 8-272 left, which is fairly reasonable when you look at other deals from last year.
I know the trade would never happen, but honestly, I think SF easily benefits more than NY over the next 4 years if it did. After that, maybe one of the two pan out as a high-end player.
bag o ballz
yes look it up on BTV, lindor has a median value of 3.5 and edman has a median value of 12.1. depending on what high or low number you feel like taking edman has at least double the trade value
Ma4170
That’s why BTV isn’t taken seriously by many. The only GMs in baseball that would value Edman over Liindor, would be because they’re so handcuffed financially that they couldn’t afford Lindor. Lindor is only a year and half older, and last two years has almost double the WAR, has WRC+ 123 to 100 over Edman, and frankly if Edman wasn’t also excellent defensively, he would barely be a starter. Sorry, but Edman in a trade might bring back a system’s 5-10 prospect, where Lindor would likely bring back a top 100 and another system top 5.
bag o ballz
sorry didn’t realize how smart you are – you must be a baseball executive.
Ma4170
Smart enough not to use BTV as a trade evaluator
Yoki
Yes. In a heartbeat.
andyhighroller
I like the idea of trading for Tommy Edman or a Corbin Burnes/Willy Adames deal. Edmann can play the outfield and be in two platoons if Lee struggles vs LHP’s & Luciano struggles vs RHP’s due his Edmann being a switch hitter.
However, Adames is a guy that’s only ever player SS/DH, and he’s not bad at all at SS. If they went this route, and landed Burnes as well, I think they’d need to sign Matt Chapman given that Milwaukee had an even worse lineup than SF, and Brian Anderson’s 83 OPS+ at 3B would be replaced nicely by JD Davis, while Bryce Turang’s 63 OPS+ could be replaced by Casey Schmitt. Obviously someone like Birdsong or Whisenhunt would need to be included to get Burnes in as well, but let’s not forget that both of those Milwaukee stars are Free Agents after 2024, and 1yr of a guy isn’t the same as 2 or 3.
With Adames, I’d believe the hope would be for Luciano to become 60-70% of Tatis’s RF in San Diego, which also frees up Slater to be involved in the deal. Something like Whisenhunt, Davis, Slater, Conforto, and Schmitt for Burnes & Adames.
Then sign Shota Imanaga & Matt Chapman and go into 2025 with a rotation of Burnes/Webb/Harrison/Black/Imanaga, and a lineup of C-Bailey, 1B Wade, 2B Estrada, 3B Chapman, SS Adames, LF Haniger, CF Lee and RF Luciano. Yaz can platoon with Haniger or Luciano, depending on who’s worse vs same sided pitching.
The alternative is to move Tristen Beck & Keaton Winn for 1yr of Tommy Edmann, and use him as a double platoon in CF/SS. Not as flashy, but much more likely/practical given St Louis ljust lost Wainwright yet the average age of their rotation got OLDER. Beck & Winn are like 28 & 26 and showed success at the bigs in spot starts/long relief last year, and I imagine Ray Black is lined up to be the 2024 season’s Kyle Harrison.
Next year’s FA class isn’t great, and $50m+ just came off the roster, with another $55m coming off next year’s so adding $100m to this year’s roster would make sense given there won’t be any Yamamoto’s or Chapman’s in next year’s class, just Soto, Burnes, Adames, etc, but I feel it will be an even bigger drop off from the Top FA to the 5th best FA & to the 10th best & so on compared to this year
andyhighroller
Edmann only has 1yr remaining on his deal, no?? I would assume his positional flexibility & switch hitting is something ANY manager would love to have available, but I’d think a 30HR/30double GG 6WAR SS with 8yrs remaining in his prime would have twice as much value than Edmann, no? That contract will balance out as inflation increases league wide, just as $50m in the 90’s was like $150m today
Humm bumms
If I’m the Giants, I would do that
Dc1988
I guess arguably, now means a lot of people would argue with you about.
I wouldn’t make that deal and Lindor definitely has more value, but Lindor is arguably top 3 maybe and given age, production, price is probably well outside of that.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Lol. The Mets don’t need to rebuild. If Alonso leaves, Lindor is still a draw and provides surplus value. Let the season play out, continue extension talks, trade him at the deadline if the Mets are out of it.
HBRC1987
FV, btv, wrc+, & WAR. Yaaawwwnnn.
harrycarey
What is Matt Arnold waiting for? Don’t think Bart is coming to Milwaukee but I am sure there is a low cost opportunity to bring back young prospects in pitchers or infielders
cwizzy6
I like Willy, but I think last year is what he is (maybe with some improvement with the bat). We can already get that offensive production with Brice. So move Willy and get some good prospects for the next window.
mad1
You have to be kidding..Turang couldn’t hit a beach ball sized baseball coming at him
cwizzy6
2023 Brice: 218/285/300
2023 Adames: 217/310/407
We *cannot* have both out there. Adames is the only one with value. Both can defend at SS. Trade Adames and gear up for 2025.
Brewers39
Except that Brice has NO power or any signs that it will ever develop. Adames is also a really good shortstop. Turang shouldn’t even play there if Wily is traded. He’s just not got the skills.
Moonlight Graham
Turang certainly struggled as a rookie, but that doesn’t mean he’s doomed to mediocrity. He showed some pop and on-base abilities in the minors. At peak, he’s probably a left-hitting Edman.
Milwaukee’s problem, though, is that they don’t have any infielders. They already don’t have a third baseman. Trading Adames would drop them down another infielder—unless they were to receive a serviceable infielder in return and if Tyler Black is ready to contribute.
Mariners_Mojo
Mariners will probably trade them JP to save a buck and then blame the cable company
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
Ezequiel Duran exists. I just don’t trust the front office to make him available for pitching.
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
How about 1 slightly used Javy Báez?!
bag o ballz
baez is not good
horaceallen
Everyone knows this. windmill was clearly jesting.
bag o ballz
I figure that but you never know. I don’t think the giants would want him even for cash considerations though honestly. Seems like more trouble to have him than not
thegiantshark
While I know the Baez comment is a joke and trading pieces wouldn’t make sense. But the guy is fun to watch defensively and would immediately be the most fun player on the Giants. Right now the defensive catcher is the fan favorite. Could really use some pizazz on 4th and King
Wheeler Dealer
Not good in Detroit put him on a contender he’s a guy that needs to be on a team playing for something
PKVA
Ahhh no thanks..
Yoki
How much money is Detroit going to eat?
Rocker49
They should go after Jeremy Pena, he was a complete bust for the Astros this season after being a very good SS the season before.
Astrosfn1979
Lol. Complete bust.
He had a bit of a sophomore slump but no way any knowledgeable fan could say he was a bust much less a complete bust.
2022: 136g 3.4fWAR 4.9bWAR 102wRC+ 102 OPS+
2023: 150g 2.8fWAR 3.8bWAR 96 wRC+ 95 OPS+
2022: 24.2% K, 3.9% BB
2023: 20.4% K, 6.8% BB
I would view that as a typical 2nd year adjustment period and potential for a very good next few seasons.
But impossible to call that a bust.
Wagner>Cobb
Now is actually a decent time for the Astros to see if he’ll sign a team friendly extension to lengthen their control for an extra couple of years.
Spaced-Cowboy
You busted his theory.
Rocker49
Pena was an automatic out after the month of August, so yeah I would call that a bust. And not a single Homerun after that point either. Kinda like Framber, became horrible after mid season.
Astrosfn1979
You mean from September 1st thru the end of the season when he hit .288 with a .327 OB% (mlb avg .320)
Is that the time period you say he was an automatic out?
stash
Tigers would gladly trade Baez, in a heart beet!
Pete'sView
He’s become even less valuable than Kevin Newman. Tigers are stuck.
WestVillageTiger
That’ll just make the terms even more favorable for the Giants. A chance for everyone to unload bad contracts!
Wheeler Dealer
As a Cubs fan we would love to have him back, not sure what happened there but dude was exciting as F and had some big games
water is the way of good health
I can only dream. The Red Sox are trading Trevor Story along with cash to the Giants for Carson Whisenhunt and Marco Luciano. Come on Giants take Story, there is your SS 🙂
SupremeBacon
That is a brutally foolish trade proposal.
Wagner>Cobb
Dream on, bro.
bag o ballz
try putting that into the trade simulator – that is almost a -100 value trade for the giants. Story + cash and a minor leaguer might net you a lottery pick not 2 of the highest rated prospects
HighOnPineTar
Lottery Pick? Ha! OP was on to something, Luciano might at least start the conversation, but if the Red Sox eat any salary it’ll def cost the Giants more. A finally healthy Story could be quite a threat again if his swing timing is back, especially with a fresh start after two injured seasons in Boston… Defensively his arm is as strong as ever; despite missing 2/3 of the season he still finished with some of the top SS metrics in the league.
bag o ballz
dream on dude you have no idea how player values work – due to contract and age they would need to load up a ton of other guys plus cash to net 0 value back.
PKVA
How do you know his stronger than ever????
daveofferson
Statcast says his arm strength is down from his 2020 numbers…
PKVA
I laughed so hard I pooped myself…
Old York
What about trading for Carlos Correa?
MWeller77
Arson Judge vetoed that trade proposal
icantstandyous
Take Lindor please
Wagner>Cobb
Why? He’s your best player.
RandorBierd
Rance Mulliniks.
cpdpoet
Pretty sure he qualified for a WS ring….Not sure if he got it though?
SupremeBacon
Or, OR, we could let Schmitt and Luciano play in what is most likely a non-competitive year against the Dodgers and Dbacks, and see what we have in our young core. Done with this “sell the farm” nonsense when all Farhan has been tasked with the past 6 years is repairing the damage done to it by Bobby Evans.
agnes gooch
Thank you Supreme!!!!!! We’ve been waiting years and years for Zaidi to repair the scorched earth of our farm after Sabean and Evans. We finally got to see some of them last season! It was exciting! I know not all of them will make it but there was definite energy and potential! Keep the kids! Play the kids!!!!!!
Yoki
I mean, part of enhancing the farm system is also to have good trade pieces…
agnes gooch
Yes Yoki you are right but first you need excess on the farm, Giants are just beginning to get prospects to the majors for the first time in years.
thegiantshark
Agree with the premise of letting the young guys play but Luciano and Schmitt holding down SS and Lee in CF means the young pitchers will suffer tremendously with their Defense. Not ideal. Adames fits well as a stop gap here for SS defense.
It’s a little rough to call out Evans for stinking but claim Luciano is the core of the future. Marco was his big international pool signing, correct?
agnes gooch
shark—both Sabean and Evans were good at many things but mostly ignored the farm or traded prospects away. It’s no secret the farm was at the bottom when Zaidi was hired.
Yes Bart, Luciano, Matos, Doval all picked before Zaidi I think
SupremeBacon
Luciano is grading very well at SS and, if they actually let Schmitt play only 3B, he will settle. He’s a GG candidate for sure
agnes gooch
Love Schmitt’s arm! He could be our Brooks Robinson if they let him settle at 3B like you said. He was hitting really well but then couldn’t lay of the breaking stuff. Hope he can fix that with coaching.
thegiantshark
Schmitt’s arm is freaking incredible.
Pickle_Britches
Plus Luciano and Harrison are overrated. They should get something know for em while they have value.
SupremeBacon
Overrated?? They’ve played a combined 70 innings in MLB and they’re both in their early 20s.
????????????
thegiantshark
From what I saw, neither are busts. Harrison especially. But I don’t love shoving Casey and Luciano out there near everyday. That’s .730 OPS from the entire left side of the infield for the season with suspect D at SS. CS had no plate discipline at SDSU, AA or SF, I think he’s a platoon infielder on a decent team.
Ubaldo Jimenez
Ha. Joey Bart. I once saw him labeled as superior to Rutschman… what a joke that turned out to be.
gravel
No one reasonable ever asserted Bart was better than Rutschman.
Ubaldo Jimenez
I’m aware the offender was not reasonable. That doesn’t stop it from being laughable though.
Pickle_Britches
Bart’s another failed attempt at 1st pick for the giants. Bart is straight cheeks
Americanentropy
Tim Anderson?
drasco036
I’ve been wondering why Anderson hasn’t generated a little more buzz this offseason. The shortstop class is weak, as is second base, and Anderson can be had at a relatively low cost I imagine.
Just from numbers perspective and knowing nothing else, I would be interested in possibly slotting him in at third for the Cubs, I think a motivated Tim Anderson could be a dangerous weapon.
'Tang It
He’s a poor clubhouse guy apparently
drasco036
Again, I don’t know anything about Anderson outside of his stats. Cannot speak to character or make up.
D-fan
I thought his attitude got knocked out of him?
I actually think he has a lot to prove based on last year on a very bad Sox team…. Some team will look like geniuses.
Pete'sView
Tim Anderson’s glove has become porous, his bat impossible for a starting ss or 2b.
drasco036
That a bad take consider he’s only had one poor season with the bat.
Defensively is another story, doesn’t seem really interested in playing but again, a motivated Anderson.
PKVA
His attitude is not part of the club’s culture and certainly not with Buster Posey joining mgmt…
dankyank
Any trade with Joey Bart as the centerpiece won’t fetch a meaningful upgrade. A high floor veteran like Kyle Farmer or Ramon Urias makes the most sense and should command a mid level prospect and a lottery ticket type.
IMO, the giants lineup with a shortstop upgrade is decent enough to leave alone. Zaidi now needs to pivot to upgrading the rotation in free agency. The farm system is middling even if they don’t trade from it.
WrongM
Would Farmer have enough value to get that mid-level prospect plus Bart? If the Twins could get a return along those lines, and then could attach that prospect or another guy at a similar level in a trade to get rid of Vázquez’ contract, leaving Bart as their second-string catcher, that could make quite a bit of sense.
dankyank
Yes, but I don’t think Bart has any trade value. Farmer’s 2023 production amounts to a roughly 4 win improvement over what the Giants received from their shortstops. His salary is hardly outrageous. The Giants should be relying on signings to upgrade the rotation in particular, but the free agent class at shortstop is certainly weak enough to justify a trade.
Pete'sView
I think the Giants are shooting higher than Framer.
dankyank
Then that rules out a signing as IKF and Amed Rosario are the two best remaining FAs at the position. Offensive options are limited this offseason.
GSWfanklay
Yes to Lindor and Pete!!! Zahdi give them Bart Lucriano Whisnhunt Crawford
Pete'sView
Crawford is not theirs to give and even as a Giants fan I can’t see the Mets going for this.
Not sure why Mets fans are down on Lindor.
HBan22
I’m assuming he meant Reggie Crawford, the Giants first round pick in 2022.
GSWfanklay
Reggie Crawford
Big whiffa
Twins would love mason black for farmer.
Pete'sView
Not happening.
GarryHarris
Look no further than Javier Baez.
Astrosfn1979
Since they want Luciano to be the starting SS and basically need a stopgap and/or simple insurance, trading for a starter makes no sense.
Trade Yaz for Mauricio Dubon. He is perfect for that spot and can even be a starting 2B or fill in CF if you need one.
reno24
Except that Dubon had bad things to say about the Giants last year and some of their broadcasters said bad things about Dubon in response. No match there
Astrosfn1979
Players and teams have gotten past worse.
Winning games trumps all but I get that it’s a hurdle, likely enough of a hurdle that the Giants have better options.
The Astros love Dubon and do not want to trade him. I just think it’s a good (on field and $$) match.
reno24
Keaton Winn and Bart for Adames makes sense for both teams
DelTaco
I would rather for H. S. Kim, but I’m down for trading those two. Kim would have a good chance to be re-signed with J. H. Lee in the ranks.
Astrosfn1979
Kim is about 20th on the list of Padres likely to get traded.
Javia135
Kim is available…for the right price. The Padres have something of an over abundance of shortstops.
Pete'sView
But would they trade within the division?
Javia135
If the Giants put up the best offer? Absolutely.
I have seen a few articles on the Padres playing a few games in Korea this year which would make Kim a huge draw, but I’m pretty sure that Preller will do what is best for the team. Korea or no, team within the division or No.
tedtheodorelogan
Kim is going to cost way more than Bart and Winn, but I think he should be their target for a few reasons. He loved playing for Melvin, and is best friends with Lee and would for sure make the transition for Lee much easier. And he is awesome at baseball. Pay whatever they want contingent on Kim signing an extension.
Javia135
Bart holds no value for the Padres, or for anyone at this point. Winn would have value, but not enough for Kim. The Giants have the pieces to get it done.
PKVA
Can’t see Padres doing that deal to a division rival…
Javia135
I can.
Big whiffa
No. Not even close. A fringe mlb catcher and a spot starter for another teams elite short stop they need while looking to compete this season. Who plays short in Milwaukee?
reno24
Calling Adames “elite” is laughable and he’s in the last year of his contract. Bart fills their need for a backup catch and Winn slides into that starting rotation easily.
Big whiffa
It is ! Why would brewers trade their short stop for a back up catcher and a spot starter ? And who plays short in Mil after the trade ?
Also, brewers have 3 pitching prospects all hitting the bigs the same as Winn and everyone grades out higher than Winn.
reno24
Ummm because he’s going to leave after this year in free agency? Who are these 3 pitching prospects? Tiruang will play short for MIL and just because you keep calling Winn a “spot starter” doesn’t make it factual. The lost Woodruff and are probably trading Burns too. Winn would easily be a #4/5 starter on that team w/ upside.
Pete'sView
reno24 — It does, but Adames is a one year rental. But it’s not an outlandish suggestion.
PKVA
Sold!!! I’d do that deal in a second. Let’s add in Burnes into the deal and who do the Giants need to add to make that happen? I would not give up either of our top two pitching prospects in Harrison or Whisenhunt. I’d do our #10 prospect Birdsong and couple OF prospects. Burnes a free agent to be?
DelTaco
Farhan should still be talking to the Reds about their glut of infielders. Bart and Keaton Winn for McClain or Marte. I could see upgrading the pitching offer with Bart for Elly.
Big whiffa
Lol wut ? Reds have 4 catchers already and 6 starters better than Winn. That’s going to get u McClain or marte ?
And de la Cruz ?? Try starting w Harrison and then add 2 more top prospects like Whisenhunt and Black
Pete'sView
Just as the first trade suggestion by DElTaco is a little light, your suggestion is patently ridiculous.
Big whiffa
Is it ? The giants have the need not the reds. And if de la Cruz played for dodgers or Yankees he would have been the #1 prospect in baseball going into last season. He underperformed at an age 4 years younger than the average rookie. No way reds consider trading him for anything short of peak value.
reno24
So now the Reds don’t need starting pitching? LMAO
DelTaco
First off, the Reds have 1 catcher better, Stephenson, and he didn’t have a good year last year. The Reds have 7! starters for the infield. Can’t do anything about that but trade from your strength to help your weakness. Just because Winn only made a few starts, doesn’t mean he’s a spot starter, it means Gabe Kapler was an idiot. When I mentioned DLC, I also said upgrade the pitching offer, i.e. Harrison.
PoisonedPens
Bart no longer carries much, if any, prospect value. He can’t hit MLB pitching.
Big whiffa
More importantly, he’s out of options. So he has absolutely no value.
claude raymond
Worse yet, the Giants have no reason to want to hold on to him. They can’t play hardball. This is the main reason he has little trade value.
Braves Butt-Head
Don’t be surprised if you see rumors of Orlando Arcia to heat up especially if they can get starting pitching back maybe in a 3 way deal. I know Grissom is always the go to must trade piece but with that contract Arcia has make him valuable to a team like the Giants.
reno24
Arcia does make perfect sense. As a Giants fan, I hope they do better, but I can totally see that happening
PKVA
Why would the Braves trade Arcia???
geg42
Kyle Farmer is 32 and not a pure Shortstop.
THEY LIVE!!!
Tough time to be a Giants fan.
foppert2
There’s probably one or two tougher situations for a baseball fan.
agnes gooch
Lol foppert! Hilarious!
THEY LIVE!!!
The Giants need to reach out to the A’s & share the Bay Area. Let the A’s build a stadium in San Jose. Let them use Oracle Park while it’s being constructed. It would be better for the Bay Area & better for MLB too.
Pete'sView
Take another hit off that joint and dream of expansion teams.
THEY LIVE!!!
I dream of expansion …
without the need for weed.
Pete'sView
Whatever floats your boat.
bag o ballz
this narrative is so dumb. The A’s could have stayed in the bay area if they wanted to, oakland was willing to talk on a ballpark and ready to allot the real estate. Fisher wanted tax breaks and cash that the city wasn’t going to give him and San Jose wouldn’t be doing it either
PKVA
That train has passed.
spudchukar
Giants are going to have to package someone with Bart to get a decent return. Slater and a prospect might land a useful SS.
Saint Nick
SF should totally trade Webb for Grissom. He’s amazing at SS. Lmao
Pete'sView
Webb is going nowhere.
Saint Nick
Yeah it was a joke.
YankeesAreDodgersEast
Nobody wants to play for this poverty franchise
Pete'sView
Tiresome. And not true.
foppert2
Kim would be awesome. On a few different levels.
Javia135
Kim is available. Make an offer. Whisenhunt or Eldridge probably gets it done. I’m sure the Padres would want Whisenhunt, but they may accept something else.
Pete'sView
Within the division?
foppert2
I’ll happily leave the offer part to the experts.
However, based on a progress update I recently watched, I’d go Whisenhunt before Harrison and Black. Prob got an outfielder to throw in as well. As a fan, wouldn’t mind seeing what Eldridge can do before moving him on.
Javia135
The Padres want starting pitching anyways. I’m sure that they would ask for Harrison, but would gladly accept Whisenhunt and a throw-in OF. Are the Giants going all-in this year?
foppert2
Doing what they have been doing in recent times, I think. Trying to spend money and compete.
DelTaco
There’s no way Farhan gives up any of those 3 pitching prospects for one year of Kim. Taking on Kim’s contract for the Padres, would net Bart or an outfielder and a lesser pitching prospect like Winn or Beck.
Simm
Yeah I don’t think the padres would limit it to pitchers. They do have a a need in the outfield but the giants prob lineup better with pitching with the padres.
Getting Kim would literally be the dream scenario for the giants. It would cost an awful lot though.
Javia135
@DelTaco
Well if you are looking for a freebie, you obviously need to look elsewhere. According to BTV, it would take Whisenhunt AND Winn to get it done. 5.8 WAR shortstops with .351 OBP, 17-HR, 38-SB and gold glove defense don’t exactly grow on trees, but go off. A spot starter and a backup outfielder OR a failed catcher doesn’t get that. If the Giants aren’t going all-in this year, they are probably better off with a cheaper 1-2 WAR SS. Their choice.
Simm
Deltaco: you should stick making nasty tacos because clearly your knowledge of Kim’s worth isn’t in your wheelhouse.
DelTaco
@Simm I’m aware of Kim’s value. I’m also aware that Preller is trying to dump salary like it’s coming from his wallet.
Javia135
So you are counting on the Giants ripping the Padres off because the Padres are desperately poor? Why not? It worked for the Yankees, right? No King, no Thorpe for Soto…
Javia135
Is it because you know that the Giants are the only game in town? Obviously no other team in MLB would be interested in a lead off hitting, high OBP, 38 steal, gold glove defense shortstop, right?
Simm
Deltaco you do realize Kim is on an extremely team friendly deal and teasing him wouldn’t be because they can’t afford him.
bag o ballz
I don’t know that eldridge gets moved – he is the one offensive guy in the system that scouts rave about. The system is riddled with pitching but low on offense right now
Javia135
That’s fine. The Padres need close-to-the-majors pitching and OF anyways.
agnes gooch
I love Kim foppert, wanted him for a couple of years! He’s a perfect fit, especially now with Lee. But we might have to wait till he is a free agent next year. Unless Zaidi can pull off a miracle!
foppert2
Yes. Would be good.
Hoping Susan’s speculation has some basis.
agnes gooch
Susan is a dreamer like most of us lol!
schwender
Baltimore gives Joey Ortiz
Giants give Roupp? Whisenhunt? Whitman?
King Floch
Some of Baltimore’s shortstop-capable IFs not named Gunnar or Jackson (read: Jordan Westburg, Joey Ortiz, Jorge Mateo, and Ramon Urias) should be available and the O’s need young, controllable pitching, which SF has previously been said to be open to trading.
Seems like a potential match to me.
O'sSayCanYouSee
Yeap, Baltimore is your one stop shop for short Stops.
King Floch
Any team with a need at SS should be blowing up Mike Elias’s phone about Joey Ortiz this winter. The dude would be the clear starter on a bunch of teams around the league right now if he wasn’t in Baltimore, where he is presently blocked by more established guys.
Pete'sView
That’s high praise for Joey Ortiz, but his stats in the minors don’t support that.
King Floch
Ortiz is a plus (possibly double plus) defender at a premium position and has excellent bat-to-ball skills, which gives him a really high floor. He’d be an immediate upgrade at SS for some teams.
Rsox
The Giants need a place holder, not a long term solution. Amed Rosario,Nick Ahmed, Kevin Newman all could hold the job until Luciano is ready
jbryant0693
Logan Webb for Elly De La Cruz.
King Floch
Reds say no.
DelTaco
The star power of DLC says no, and the Reds don’t want to spend that kind of money on a long term contract, but if any pitcher can succeed in that park, it’s Logan Webb.
Pete'sView
Giants say no.
PKVA
As a Giants fan I think I would do that deal but Reds won’t and Giants mgmt probably would not either…
acoss13
Giants have Luciano, Schmitt, and Fitzgerald as potential players for shortstop, why not just get Tim Anderson on a cheap one-year deal, I say cheap because he doesn’t have leverage for more money, and just let the rookies play out 2024 to see who gets the job in 2025. Giants don’t lose prospects in a trade and only pay a low price on one year for Anderson.
Pete'sView
Because (1) Tim Andrerson can’t hit, (2) Tim Anderson can’t field, (3) word is, Tim Anderson is a clubhouse cancer.
acoss13
All true, can’t say anything about his clubhouse demeanor, but he’s got a lot of upside, especially since he’s not a homerun guy, and even as of 2022, he was pretty good. There’s more upside to him I think than many might think. As I watched him this past season, he’s had his flashes of being great again. Will probably benefit from not playing for the White Sox.
top jimmy
Yankees-Giants trade: SS Peraza for SP Whisenhunt.
Done.
PKVA
Nope
sfjackcoke
The guy who’s the perfect fit for their roster and many other teams too is Tommy Edman of STL:. He switch hits, can play the middle of the diamond (SS, 2nd, CF) his splits show a slightly stronger RRH. Acquiring him wouldn’t be cheap, the young players STL would love take the SS and CF jobs haven’t..
There’s not an industry consensus that Luciano can actually stick at SS long term as he continues to grow. In the limited action I saw in person/tv of him he actually looked better than I anticipated. In a perfect world, Schmidt’s finds some sort of plate discipline and takes the SS job sliding Luciano to 3rd. Between the pandemic and some injuries Luciano just hasn’t played as much as you’ve hoped. That said for 2023 a LHH middle infielder who can play SS is needed. At times Estrada has slid over to SS but he’s a far better 2nd baseman.
Joey Bart is a guy in search of a new home so i can see why his is brought up in the article. When drafted he had the floor of a back up catcher and that’s where he is at the moment, just not with the Giants who just signed Tom Murphy.. 2023 Rule 5 pick Sabol now goes to AAA and catches full time, his bat was ahead of his glove in 2023.
I don’t know the status of SF catching depth. Most teams prefer their catchers for the season including depth are with the team for Spring Training. We saw in 2023 how SF’s catching depth evaporated a month into the season. This would be trading him at his rock bottom value. Zero risk taking him into to spring in case SF suffers any injury or another team has injury creating a fit for him.
jmaa
Hard to see Mo giving up Edman. They already have the bobbleheads made up for 24 and he is their poster child.
Cleon Jones
Irony of ironies if they trade for Correa.
scottn59c
Why would they? They made it clear last year that they don’t want him.
CrikesAlready
Ha-Seong Kim is their answer. The Padres do not value him has evidenced by numerous moves. His teammates don’t respect him, as evidenced by the comments made by Xander Bogaerts.
Since he’s in his last year and will not stick around, the Padres should try to get a couple of prospects now.
Javia135
“His teammates don’t respect him.” Actually he is one of their most respected players.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=eyk1AInqYrI
williemaysfield
Kim would be a dream for the Giants. It would probably take two top 5 prospects to make this happen
O’sfan222
Kyle Harrison for Joey Ortiz make it happen
reno24
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
PKVA
If Giants are talking to the Brewers about Adame and there has been talk about moving Caleb Burnes (I would like him as a Giant) one would assume that means the Brewers are rebuilding (Counsel gone as a manager as well). Why not pursue Yelich as well for the Giants??? Especially if Bellinger is off the table. Brewers would be happy to get out of that contract. We can add a couple OF prospects not named Matos and would you Brew fans take a Slater or Yaz with a couple hitting prospects for Yelich? What do you need for Burnes?
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
You can have Trevor Story for 50 bucks and a ham sandwich…
jh8913
He struggled but hit 309?
DelTaco
I think the writer may have been referring to the 36% strikeout rate instead of the 309 BA. However the way it was written was poor.
norcalblue
My first thought is that Farhan might be willing to take on Bogaerts or Machado contracts. Preller would gladly throw in Ha-Seong if Farhan would take Machado off Padre books. Nice way to dump Bart too.
Motor City Beach Bum
Baez for an ice cream cone. He can play good D and maybe a change of scenery will fix his bat. Okay…not fancy ice cream maybe just some grocery store brand chocolate stuff.
baseballteam
Trevor Story for your worst player.
its_happening
A lot of Baez suggestions. If San Fran thought they could get the best out of Baez (big if), and is willing to take the contract (bigger if), get Detroit to attach prospects to the deal. 2025-ready prospects. Just to stomach Baez.
williemaysfield
Why not just put Estrada at SS? He’s played around a 100 games at SS. 2nd would be easier to fill.
Jagsmanohman
Idk if it’s been mentioned here yet but there were some substability reports around the trade deadline that the Giants coveted Vaughn Grissom. Unfortunately I don’t think it’s a fit for either team…unless it’s part of a 3 teamer…bc the Braves would want Webb or Harrison in return. I don’t think the Giants have enough pitching to start shedding any of it.
Pickle_Britches
That be so amazing. Add some other overrated talent with em. Clear some room for real talent
Zippy the Pinhead
Hey Giants, the Mariners have like 42 utility infielders that are available. Got a Class A outfielder or a 45-year-old DH who can’t hit? Give Jerry a call.
User 4223176798
Fans fooled again. They buy the feces put out by Farhan that they have a superior farm team and now they go shopping because some of their best prospects who they have groomed are not ready, and may never be. Fire Farhan. He is a joke.
agnes gooch
I love Farhan! So happy he got an extension! You should enjoy life more often True 🙂
User 4223176798
get a husband instead of making believe that you’re married to farhan.
Silver Boot Series Enjoyer
Just leave Ezequiel Duran outta this
SFGiants4ever
The Giants need to stop bringing in these mediocre players who take up ABs and playing time from their young prospects. They have Luciano, Schmitt and Fitzgerald who can all play SS or 3B along with JD Davis and Wilmer Flores. The latter two aren’t the best defensively but they are capable and they provide a veteran presence on the left side of the infield if the prospects need a break. Give the kids a real chance.
Jean Matrac
Schmitt got into 90 games. While that’s not enough to give up on him, it certainly qualifies as getting a chance. With that opportunity he was not good with the bat. He had a wRC+ of 59, a whopping 41% below league average. He was given a decent chance and played himself out of a starting role. He doesn’t need ML ABs, he needs more development in Sac.
The Giants can’t rely on Luciano and Fitzgerald alone. Flores is a SS only in an emergency, and I’d cringe to see Davis playing any significant number of games there. I am hoping Luciano seizes the opportunity and takes the starting role, but they need a veteran in place as insurance.
MLBTR needs to hire editors
You stink at writing, Adams. “Too” shouldn’t have a comma before it; it’s not the sixties anymore. “Meanwhile” has to come at the start of a sentence; it can’t be in the middle, set off with commas.