December 14: The Giants have officially announced the deal and provided the full salary breakdown. Lee will get a $5MM signing bonus then salaries of $7MM in 2024 $16MM the year after, $22MM in 2026-27 and $20.5MM in each of the final two years if he doesn’t opt out after the fourth.
December 12: The Giants and outfielder Jung Hoo Lee are in agreement on a six-year, $113MM deal, per Jon Heyman of The New York Post. There is an opt-out after four years. In addition to that guarantee, the Giants will owe a posting fee of $18.825MM to the Kiwoom Heroes. Lee is a client of the Boras Corporation.
Lee, 25, has been a highly anticipated free agent for a long time now. It was reported in January that the Kiwoom Heroes of the Korea Baseball Organization would post him for MLB clubs after the 2023 campaign. At that point, Lee was coming off an excellent 2022 campaign.
He had always had strong plate discipline but took that part of his game to new heights last year, walking in 10.5% of his plate appearances while striking out in just 5.1% of them. He had never hit more than 15 home runs in a season but managed to tally 23 in that season. He finished with a batting line of .349/.421/.575 for a wRC+ of 175, indicating he was 75 percent better than league average. He also won a Golden Glove award for a fifth straight year and also earned MVP honors.
But his platform year didn’t go quite according to plan. He hit .318/.406/.455 with just six homers in his 86 games in 2023. He injured his left ankle in late July, necessitating season-ending surgery. Nonetheless, he garnered plenty of interest from clubs like the Giants, Padres, Yankees and Mets before being officially posted last week.
The profile was somewhat similar to Masataka Yoshida, who was another contact-over-power player coming from overseas. Yoshida played in Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball until signing with the Red Sox for 2023 on a five-year, $90MM deal. Since the NPB is generally considered a notch above the KBO, that could perhaps lead an observer to preferring his track record to Lee’s.
But there are a couple of reasons why Lee might be preferable, one of which is age. The ability to sign an everyday player who is just 25 years of age doesn’t occur very often, and the widespread interest in both Lee and Yoshinobu Yamamoto shows that clubs place value on that youth. Yoshida, by contract, was coming over for his age-29 season. Lee’s opt-out gives him the chance to potentially return to the open market before his 30th birthday, after perhaps having proven himself capable as a major leaguer.
The other thing Lee appears to have over Yoshida is defensive acumen. Yoshida was considered a left-field-only player before signing and was graded poorly for his glovework with Boston, which could lead to him spending more time as a designated hitter over the years. Lee, however, is considered strong in the field. Evaluators are split on whether or not he can stick in center, where he spent most of his time with the Heroes. In Major League Baseball, he could be either a passable center fielder or better suited to a corner, depending on who you ask.
All of the questions make Lee difficult to project and it seems fair to categorize this as a high-risk, high-reward play. As recently pointed out by Eno Sarris of The Athletic, Lee’s batted ball metrics come in a bit below those of Ha-Seong Kim in his last KBO season. Kim struggled in his first MLB season, though eventually adjusted enough to be slightly above average at the plate in each of the past two seasons. MLBTR predicted that Lee would secure a five-year, $50MM deal, but the Giants have soared well past that, more than doubling it. Given their strong investment here, they likely have high confidence in Lee, both in his ability to hit major league pitching and perhaps stick in center field as well.
Just as the offseason was kicking off, president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi stated that defensive upgrades in the outfield were a priority for this winter. “We’ll look to add a little bit more speed, a little bit more range to the outfield,” Zaidi said at that time. There were good reasons for such a target. The club’s outfielders posted a collective -13 Outs Above Average in 2023, with only the Cardinals and Rockies coming in below them. Their -7 Defensive Runs Saved and -12.4 Ultimate Zone Rating also fell in the bottom 10 league wide.
The Giants didn’t really have a full-time center fielder in 2023, as no player lined up there for more than 57 games. Each of Luis Matos, Mike Yastrzemski, Austin Slater, Bryce Johnson, Brett Wisely and Wade Meckler got into double digits, while Tyler Fitzgerald, Cal Stevenson, Heliot Ramos, LaMonte Wade Jr. and AJ Pollock had brief stints there. The club is likely hoping that Lee can solidify that position while pushing Yastrzemski into the corner outfield mix alongside guys like Mitch Haniger and Michael Conforto. Matos may wind up back in the minors after a mediocre MLB debut in 2023, or perhaps the club would consider putting him on the trading block.
In addition to the $113MM that Lee will receive, the Giants will also owe a posting fee to the Heroes. With any player posted for MLB clubs, the signing team owes a fee to the posting club, relative to the size of the contract. It’s 20% of the first $25MM, 17.5% of the next $25MM and 15% of any dollars thereafter. For this deal, the Giants will owe $18.825MM to the Heroes on this deal, meaning they are actually shelling out $131.825MM in order to add Lee to the roster.
In recent years, the Giants have tried to sign star players and have come up just short. They were in the running for Aaron Judge last year before he returned to the Yankees. They had a deal in place with Carlos Correa before they balked at his physical and walked away, leading to him returning to the Twins. They were in the running for Shohei Ohtani this offseason before he signed with the Dodgers.
Lee doesn’t quite match up to those players in terms of star power but this is easily the largest investment of Zaidi’s tenure. The club gave a $90MM extension to Logan Webb but the biggest free agent deals in recent years were $44MM to Carlos Rodón and $43.5MM to Haniger. The Rodón deal had an opt-out after the first year that was eventually triggered, so the club didn’t even pay out that full contract.
The specific contract breakdown hasn’t been reported but that won’t be relevant for the competitive balance tax, which goes by the average annual value of a deal. Roster Resource has already plugged in Lee’s AAV and has the Giants’ CBT number at $189MM. It’s unknown if they are willing to cross the $237MM base threshold next year, but even if not, they could still have around $45MM to pursue upgrades elsewhere on the roster.
For the clubs that missed out on Lee, free agency still features capable center fielders like Cody Bellinger, Harrison Bader, Kevin Kiermaier and Michael A. Taylor, while the trade market could feature players like Dylan Carlson or Manuel Margot.
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Like the fit for him in SF. May have also made Ha Seong Kim’s upcoming extension a little pricier.
Jays should trade for Kim and sign him to that extension
If Davis and Flores are the likely DHs, then – if healthy – they have four regular outfielders not counting Slater as the late-inning back-up:
Michael Yastrzemski
Michael Conforto
Mitch Haniger
Jung Hoo Lee
@MannyBeingMVP Davis is the starting 3B unless the Giants acquire someone like Matt Chapman (in which case, Davis is either traded or moves around between DH, 1B, and 3B).
Expect Haniger to get reps at DH too.
Yaz and Slater likely platoon in right. Lee in center and Haniger/Conforto split time between left and DH.
Conforto is LH DH. Stating outfield assuming none of those are traded:
Yaz in RF
Lee in CF
Haniger in RF
Just need Yamamoto and Hoskins now
The first three need to figure out a way to stay healthy enough to contribute on a regular basis. If they do, they could do a lil damage…
might be a gamble if he pan’s out but I wonder what Matos could net us..If the Giants can swing a trade for Tommy Edman, I’d be stoked..he can play SS w/Luciano and CF too..
dubtastic — I’ve posted (a number of times) that I think the Cards and Giants match up well. Matos and a young arm to St. Loo for Edman (who would play SS for the Giants.)
I think conforto is going to end up getting dh time a bunch, if last year is an example he is going to be a defensive liability in the OF so you will likely see from l-r haniger, lee, yaz (and some platooning with slater)
Conforto could be the lefty DH. Bellinger is still a must get IMO…
Except the Cardinals just traded Tyler O’Neill due to a logjam in the OF. Trading a SS for an Outfielder seems counterproductive to what the Cardinals have already done
@Pete how does that lineup for STL unless that young pitcher is Harrison? Cards have Winn so they do t need Matos and then would need a CF. Not sure they match up that great – unless you just to make a deal for the giants
Rsox — Even more important to the Cardinals would be the young arm from the Giants and Matos (who still has options) has serious upside.
kremer — Isn’t the Cardinals Winn a SS? Matos is a CF. It wouldn’t be Harrison but it might be Whisenhunt and that is a very high upside young starter. I don’t think I’m far off. The Cards can’t think they’ll have a strong rotation with just Gray. Gibson and Lynn are #5s or even #6s.
I’m just here for Ha-Seong Kim speaking in third person.
@kim I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s traded for pitching
I knew it!!
Yes excellent call, kudos to you bro!
You must be very proud.
Is this signing pending a second medical exam of his injured left ankle? LOL
Hey, any rehab stint means fans will get to see him on the River Cats.
True story
I enjoyed many a fine evening at that ballpark when I lived in Sacramento during its first few years.
On the nights the delta breeze kicks in it is very nice.
amen to that sir, I loved goin to RC games when I lived in Sac..now I live in SF and frequent Giants games
I’ve been to a dozen parks and it is pretty much impossible to beat the Giants ballpark on a nice day.
Not if the Oakland/las Vegas A’s end up playing the season in Sacramento instead.
please provide a link because I don’t find anything online where it’s states that would happen
There’s been some talk about the A’s playing in Sacramento if they can’t work out a lease with Oakland between the current lease and when the Las Vegas stadium is ready to go, last I saw Oakland was demanding they leave the Athletics name and brand which we all know is not going to happen.
@dumbtastic here is one from cns sports, there was also a lot of talk during the summer about it by Sacramento Mayor Stienberg. I live in Vacaville so I kinda get the news from both the valley and the bay.
cbssports.com/mlb/news/where-will-as-play-before-l…
In a state of shock, someone actually wants to sign with the Giants, other then Arson Judge? The great, Jon Heyman.
Dude is from Japan and has no idea what he’s about to step in. Literally
Jung Hoo Lee? From Japan?
Aloha Ranger, Lee is from Korea. But yes, he doesn’t know what he’s coming into. I’m in the bay area and SF is just a trash heap. It is so sad what has happened to such a beautiful place and this downward spiral really accelerated within the past 3yrs. Zaidi will have to overpay for everyone to even consider coming here, not too mention, it’s not the easiest park to hit in, or at least hrs. I wish him well. Mahalo!
99CaptainJudge99 — Stop with that BS. It’s so f#cking tired.
And not just San Francisco.
Hmmmmm, I guess the way people vote does have consequences!
Japanese born, KBO played. wonder why he didn’t play in Japan leagues.
The fake outrage at sf and its “decline” is tired. It’s propaganda, and simply not true. Nothing happening in sf is unique and not happening in every city in the nation. If anything sf is way safer and cleaner than many cities. Don’t fall for it.
@Ranger Danger19 dErP
Correct. NYC, too.
Kgcubs, A cubs fan that allegedly lives in SF, speaks like a fake Hawaiian, and spouts cult propaganda. Interesting mix.
You have no idea where he’s from fool
He could always live in San Jose Mountain View milpitas etc
He’s about to step in the same line-up with the great Arson Judge, an excellent pairing!
California is so bad that its economy is bigger than the economy of all but 3 Countries.
To set the record straight, Jung Hoo Lee is from Greenland.
His father and grandfather are KBO HoF….
Dad happened to be playing professionally in Japan that year.
Born in Japan, still Korean. Both parents are Korean and he moved back to Korea very young
Pete’sView- tell us how you really feel.
Japanese born because his father played there for many years. His dad was one of the best kbo players ever
Smacks 4 but your close, there was a brief period where it looked like it might be 4th but it’s fallen back to 5th and flirting with I believe Italy for 6th
Sorry GB not Italy. Looked it up to verify and it’s currently about 300 billion in GDP above the UK
It looks like it’d be Germany. The UK kind of blew their economy up with the BREXIT debacle. Neither here nor there, people that don’t know anything love bashing the big bad blue state.
You can deny it all you want but Buster Posey just said San Francisco crime and drug issues are a problem when it comes to signing free agents. They don’t want to sign there.
drasco036 — It is a problem (like in most major cities) but it is largely a media narrative intensified by CNN’s hit piece on SF a few months ago. But the city—according to stats—is safer than Seattle and LA, to name a few..
And if you’ve visited the city you see it is beautiful as are the surrounding areas (where any MLB player would likely live). SF has some cleaning up to do—no doubt—but it is not the cesspool narrative that has circulated since the CNN piece.
People don’t understand that the homeless are always going to go west or south – it’s the weather. A Winter in California is liveable outside, not so much in Peoria etal.
All that Posey and the GM answering for it just shows how committed Republicans have been painting California as some hell-hole. It’s the same reason the Hilary Clinton is a criminal and that being held against her all the while Trump was running up felonies like they were Chuck E. Cheese tickets.
Do you live here? Because downtown and the TL has fallen into utter disarray, far FAR worse than I’ve ever seen in my life
Says a cubs fan who wants free agents to sign there.
Lived here all my life and while I am conservative the truth is this state did best historically when it was a purple state. Too much of either is not good for business in the end.either way it is true that The state of San Francisco is hindering ability to draw free agents according to the team themselves, whether that’s a excuse or not for not landing marquee talent I don’t know. Last real star we had in SF was buster and while he’s the one saying it he also came back and spends a lot of time here. I just don’t know but I will say I no longer take my kids into the city. By myself for work I’m fine but I don’t feel safe putting my children or wife in that environment, same goes for Oakland. San Jose I’m ok with still.
Home-School your kiddo’s. 3 days a week, 3 hours a day TOPS!
It’s true , it’s true
Keep lying to yourself
Do you live in an alternate reality or are you just a dunce? Keep making excuses , at least Posey gets it.
Aloha Uncommon, are you in the Bay Area? How long have you lived here? Where do you work? Has your car been broken into recently, like multiple times? How about your house broken into? Or lastly have you ever been held up at gun-point? The state has lost over 800k people in the last year+, there’s a reason why. I know people don’t want to hear the truth, it’s hard. Been hard for us to see what’s happened to the area the past 2+ years. I do hope it gets better. Take care now. Mahalo
99Captain…let’s hope they continue to prove people wrong on players going to the Giants.
Aloha Balk, it’s a pipedream but I hope the Giants can sign Yamamoto, that would give them a strong rotation within the division and a chance against LA. But here again, they’ll have to really over bid to get him. Mahalo
Just stop!
Kgcubs…it seems to me if a team wants a player they’re going to have to spend. As far as Yamamoto goes, I wouldn’t say pipe dream, as money talks bs walks.
Meangrean…you think there’s a difference between the bay and La? That part of the bay you’re speaking on isn’t anywhere near the ballpark. I will give you that Newsom isn’t the man for the job on homelessness and drugs or crime.
meangreandancingmachine— So old. so tired, so untrue.
meangrean – so fun to hate on the best..that’s what usually happens..when you’re on top, ppl find the most miniscule things and reason to hate..they amplify the little things w/out looking at themselves first ::smh::
So many unsavy media consumers walking omg us. It’s just people that think Joe Rogan etal are honest brokers of news and not saying what the runes want to hear.
As the saying goes trashy person sees trash only. The only place you were able to go to may be trash because that is all you can afford.
Ichiro light
Aoki light
Akiyama light. Had to contribute, didn’t want to be left out.
This is great news. Giants have a true lead off hitter in years. Not to dimish LaMonte at all but not he can move further back in the lineup, or maybe he’s in the second slot with his fine OBP.
Could see Lee hitting a lot of triples in that park.
Johnbird…that is why I picked him to go here, it’s a big park and great for contact hitter’s
Balk…Good call. I thought they were in on Bellinger so I had him going to Toronto. Glad to be wrong on that one.
A lotta moolah for a KBO player. We will see if there are any regrets.
lol grats they finally got their star
if by star you mean “at best maybe a 3 win player” then sure.
Nice of them to finally spend some of their extreme wealth. Hope he turns out to be a good player. But good players don’t want to go to SF if they have other options, so I am going to be pessimistic until he proves he can succeed in the much harder competition
Him and Arson will be the new top duo in the league
ham77 — 빌어먹을 이야기는 그만둬라. 우리 모두는 그 말을 수천 번 들었습니다. 야구에 대해 이야기하거나 기여할 수 있는 곳으로 가십시오.
Pete….Haha!!
Great post!
Is it all deferred for 50 years?
$1 a year for 113 million years.
ぎゃはは ! !
Yeah—what he said
이정후씨는 한국인입니다.
And like that…
うん?マナーが必要かもしれないよ、ムチャチョ!
@damascusj
Lee was born in Japan.
He’s still Korean, he was only born there cause his dad played on NPB at the time
So was Dave Roberts. John McCain was born in Panama, and Ted Cruz was born in Canada.
As a finance person, the account NPV (net present value) calculations seem irrational. Give a guy 20 years 700 MM and it’s a hit of 35 MM a year for 20 years, even if you pay 2 MM the first 10 years and then 68 MM the next 10 years. The dodging part is if you pay the 68 MM the last 10 years on a “10 year contract,” this suddenly becomes a NPV thing, with a value of 460 MM. It makes little sense to discount thr pay after play instead of the backloaded deal.
So funny I forgot to laugh
あなたは間違いなく厳しいです
Kunichiwa!
Misspelling a Japanese word in reference to a Korean player is hilarious.
And before you say something you don’t understand. Both his parents are Korean. His dad was playing in the npb at the time
Got to love using Google translate to try to post Japanese, only to have it come off sounding weird af
I didn’t use Google translate, but forgive me for misspelling konnichiwa. Try not to get your panties all in a bunch.
But I am glad you’re so easily entertained. Have a good time.
Well, don’t worry.
41 other people didn’t.
Easily amused, I guess?
Does this mean their out on Belli? I would still love fir the Cubs to re-sign Bellinger. Unless it’s for 10 years and 260mil
Giants should avoid bellinger his high flyball style of hitting lends itself well to LA or Chicago but not SF
Bellinger would be pretty awesome in GABP then.
Boras is his agent. What do you think? It’s going to be longer and pricier than I would pay. Honestly,,with the underlying metrics not very promising (hard hit & barrel rates, etc), along with the fact that he had only one good year after more than 2 where he was literally unplayable, is enough to make me take a hard pass. And I’m a Cibs fan who liked Belli a lot.
But if no one will pay the years, Boras may not have a choice. Arrieta comes to mind of shooting for the moon and missing. Then again, it worked for Bryant. I suppose only time will tell.
But I would hate to see the Cubs overpay for Belli just to make a splash this offseason.
I remember reading that Boras said Arrieta asking price was 200mil. They fell a little short of that with 75mil over 3 years. And he fell off horribly.
Maybe he will take 10 years 300 million with 280 deferred. He was by far the Cubs best player last year.
@Logjammer: No, but it could mean THEY’RE out on the guy.
Didn’t notice my mistake until about an hour ago. By then it was too late.
I would think this helps the chances of the Cubs signing him as SF was a major suitor. His price certainly dropped.
Or it will go up because there’s one fewer centerfielder available.
I just don’t see the Cubs and Jays bidding war getting to the level it would without the Yankees and Giants in the mix as well.
It will come down to comparable contracts for similar recently-signed players, as it always does. Nobody is going to get a discount.
No problem. Just defer the money for 30 years. Boom. $10M CBT hit no problem.
Congrats SF. You got one!!
Unless it’s pending physical… then maybe don’t count your chicks.
He had ankle surgery last year…
Every agreement every team has with every player is pending a physical. Mets did the same as the Giants with Correa, and in the past no team was more conservative looking at the medicals than the O’s were.
Good now sign anyone else who will come doesn’t matter what position they play just get in as much talent as possible for whatever the price!
I’m in this line.
The Giants have buckets of money coming in from their real estate its time to spend some
I agree, I would be down for Rhys Hoskins to man 1B and let Wade DH/5th OF/PH/Back Up 1B..2 SP’s would be preferable too..realistically, someone like Flahtery (or Giolito) and Ryu to keep his Korean friend company and show him the ropes of MLB
A number Giants’ fans keep mentioning Hoskins, but I don’t get the love for him, . I don’t see him as a Giants’ type player since he’s really limited to DH because of the bad glove, even at 1B. Hoskins in 2022, and Wade last season, had the exact same wRC+, and their fWAR was 2.1 for Wade and 2.0 for Hoskins. for those 2 seasons
Hoskins can hit some bombs out to left.
Sure, but he also K’d 169 times in 2022. For context, J.D. Davis led the Giants in SOs with 152, and 2nd place went to Estrada with 120. Yaz led the team in 2022 with 141. So I still don’t see him as a Giants’ type guy. And with all the OF guys they have, why tie up DH with a DH only guy?
Good points..I just thoughr he could potentially come in for cheap, recovering from surgery and all..would be a gamble considering those K’s!
I don’t get the Hoskins love either. He is an all or nothing type of hitter and not good at all defensively.
Why play second fiddle in SD when he can have the spotlight to hiimself in SF? Great choice.
Noooooo! Where were you AJ?!
Letting the kids play the outfield, apparently. Merrill might make the roster out of spring training at this rate.
I really hope not. They’ve gotta get at least two more bats..)Personally, I was hoping for Lee and Turner)
Yeah they’ve gotta get something going here. I’d say at least another bat, and 2-3 more pitchers.
Yamamoto!
Yamamoto nooooooo
I wanted JHL on the pads, but 20M a year is kind of nuts for a guy coming out of the KBO. Hae-song Kim has been awesome but he also really struggled his first year and had a big adjustment period.
Yay, they’re doing a thing! Center field is a huge need, and now they’ll suddenly have solid outfield defense with Yaz and Slater taking up a corner spot. Still need a big DH or IF bat and two quality starting pitchers to feel hopeful for 85-plus wins and a shot at a Wild Card
YAZ.
Lights out pitching is how they won those rings. Hitters like Jung Hoo will be a nice change of pace considering he hardly ever strikes out unlike SF’s current line up of swing and missers.
Hardly strikes out against Korean pitching. He is going to see 95mph fastballs and much nastier breaking pitches. So his Ks are going to shoot up.
Probably, especially in his first year. But he’s still exactly the kind of glove and bat the Giatns need.
Calner
Yaz and Slater?
Yaz and Conforto and Haniger plus Jung Hoo Lee.
Slater is a talented late inning replacement.
Yaz and Slater were the two guys playing center field (when healthy before Matos came up). Haniger and Conforto never played center last year, which is why I didn’t mention them.
Yaz and Slater will platoon. Slater rakes LHP and Yaz couldn’t hit lefties with a banjo.
Add Yamamoto and I think the Bay will be pretty pleased.
At least make up for not getting shohei
Yeah it would have been nice to land the big one but we will be happy we didn’t pay 700m for 1-3 good pitching years out of him.
And did you really think Ohtani was gonna sign anywhere but with the Dodgers?
So over double expectations. I like the profile. Let’s see how he handles MLB velo.
Every team could have used this guy! Expecting him to go full blown Ichiro at the plate!
Whoa that a bit, he’s KBO and there’s history that KBO can’t consistently hit MLB velocity. Kim’s done well but many before have failed.
Kim sucked badly his first year, okay his second and better his third.
Chances are very high Lee will struggle at least for while.
I’d give that a “sucked”, “good”, then “great” for Kim’s years in MLB so far.
0.5, 3.7, 4.4 WAR over the three years.
Now do his ops+
For those years. Kim also steals more baes then ever does. Hits for more power than Lee does.
Kim was also paid scraps while Lee is paid 21m a year. Way way over pay
The stats for both are fairly similar in 2020, the last time they played together. In fact, their OBP, SLG, and OPS were identical, despite Lee being three years younger. It’s one of the reasons why I liked him for the RS.
Senioreditor, His #’s scream ICHIRO to me..Is KBO that incomparable to NBP regarding level/quality of play?
Yes it is. It’s a full grade below.
Always thought they were pretty comparable. Someone must be impressed with his batting average though, considering his new deal.
KBO is a little bit below NPB
the real impressive number is hos strikeout rate
Super impressive indeed!
The top KBO players have played in Japan and they were very good. As good as top Japa nese players. However, generally speaking, JBL is better.
People are excited about his numbers in Korea without context. Guys who post OPS of .900 there usually post OPS of .750 in the MLB. Not awful, but not really an upgrade over current guys (see Conforto, Michael and Yastrzemski, Mike). And if the scouting reports say he is better suited for the corners, then this just became a high priced way of making the corners crowded with other high priced players.
Why are they offering to pay him so much $ for then? As an unproven KBO player? You sure his batting average has nothing to do with it? I’m not. Looks like he hits doubles too..
I’m not an expert on baseball skills, just an online armchair scout, so I don’t know what is seen in him that makes someone like the Giants give out that kind of contract. Unfortunately, there haven’t been many Korean hitters that have made the transition to MLB. However, consider Ha-Seong Kim’s numbers in Korea (.294/.373/.493) compared to with the Padres (.245/.325/.383). Even if you eliminate his 1st 2 years with the Padres, this 2023 season (.260/.351/.398) still comes in about 100 points lower in OPS than his average in Korea. There seems to be an adjustment due to superior level of talent in the MLB and Lee will probably have a rocky start to his career. Completely spitballing here, but I would guess his OPS in 2024 will end up being .720 or so. Not awful but not really starting level numbers.
He has also won 5 GG’s in the OF?! Haha What more does anyone want?? Has to be a 75 homer a season guy or something??? What am I missing people?
I haven’t heard that, just that some MLB scouts think he is more of a corner outfielder than a centerfielder
Or, his talent is greater than you are anticipating, he rises to the occasion, and wins multiple batting titles and GG’s?
What you are missing is the KBO is more akin to high A ball. While the NBP is more like a better version of AAA.. The average velocity of the KBO is 87mph. In MLB it is almost 94mph.
Haha Come on DJ, if that were true, he would not be a newly minted 100,000,000 dollar man.. High A ball would not be fair at all..
I think a better comparison is KBO is either between AA and AAA or equal to AAA in talent level. Japan is closer to being a AAAA type level of talent. There are plenty of Japanese players that can come over to MLB and play at a comparable level.
Wait you mean a player not facing ML pitching in his league will see their OPS drop?!? Shocker. Every prospect just about goes through that from milb.
Thank you 77, Baseball
Every prospect isn’t locked in to a 6 year guaranteed MLB deal for over $113 million.
He’s a very good defender who gets on base. It’s hard to hit homeruns in that park for the best power hitters. It’s seems like a really good fit for San Fran.
And some scouts think he’ll be able to stick in center.
same team that signed DL Haniger, Pot Belly Joc, said no to Gausman, yes to Crawford for the 19th year with a ready SS behind him,signed Tommy LaStella for multiple years…It’s a comedy of errors in the SF FO. Hey, they got Yoshi Tsutsugo and his multiple releases from big league clubs to make a difference as well!
It might be true that NPB is a notch below MLB and the KBO a notch below that, but that’s a generalization. On average then sure, but that doesn’t take into account the individual player. Ha-Seong Kim game out of the KBO and he’s not 2 notches below MLB league average. Since Lee was extensively scouted by the Giants, there’s probably plenty of justification for this deal.
deej — No. Numerous MLB scouting reports say the KBO is about high AA. Given time I think Lee will be terrific.
Super cool cherry picking bro
You do know GG in KBO is not about defense, right? It’s more of an all-KBO team and highly values offense. I understand how most of the non-KBO fans don’t know that, though. Terrible naming scheme.
KBO Gold Gloves are not analogous to MLB Gold Gloves; they are not defensive awards
Hey give us credit, we got the best year out of Rodon and then let him go back to being perennially on the DL.
You’re going to be very dissapointed.
Congrats SF Fans! You are finally not second place! I hope he turns into a star for y’all.
If they can Yamamoto that could push them up but they still need offense
Wow, the MLBTR prediction was way off on this one.
What was the prediction?
My first one right 😉
5/50
Jeebus. That’s how much SF had to overpay to get a top 10 FA.
If you go by a gut feeling on a prediction contest. It’s hard to gauge these guys contracts when the picking is slim for good players
Heard he’s friends with Arson. Might want to check his ankle too!!
Give up the Arson jokes already
Don’t feed the trolls, they thrive off of it
The Arson jokes will continue.
Complete waste of money. These owners are getting taken to the cleaners this off season. Hes going to hit the same as that Japanese player who was on the Reds (Shoyo Akiyama). If I was an owner, I’d sell right now. These contracts are getting out of control. Its almost as bad as the NBA at this point
which MLB team do you think you own? or were you dreaming and thought you did and that they’re coming after your money?
Not your money. Not your problem.
CBBE
“Complete waste of money. These owners are getting taken to the cleaners this off season. Hes going to hit the same as that Japanese player who was on the Reds (Shoyo Akiyama). If I was an owner, I’d sell right now. These contracts are getting out of control. Its almost as bad as the NBA at this point”
Nothing here suggests you know what you’re talking about.
It’s Shogo Akiyama, not Shoyo, and that dude was 7 years older than Lee. Some comparison.
Yes, but they are two random individuals from different countries on the same continent, so I think one can easily extrapolate. SMH
The owners are making money hands over fists… why do you think none of them really want to sell? And why wouldn’t you be happy for the players to get a small piece of the pie that they lay their bodies on the line for?
Congrats on Lee, SF. Leave Yamamoto to SD!
Pads might have to auction off the bronze Tony Gwynn statue to afford Yams. I’ll take zilla on a holiday homey discount. He’s a Dodger killer
The value of franchises of all three main sports are constantly on the rise…Giants are worth what a couple billion??? Yeah terrible business…
@PKVA Owning these teams are becoming too expensive. The writing is on the wall. Just look at Michael Jordan, The Wilpons, Mark Cuban, and the old Suns+Timberwolves owners. These guys are cashing in now because its just not profitable to own a team. Owning a sports team is like a luxury item. Yes they have increased in value but you forget all the money that goes in every year into paying these guys bloated contracts + having to pay workers and maintence of thier stadiums. I also don’t see these teams going too much up in value in the future
So THAT’s why Rpbert Sarver sold the Suns? That is some serious spin-doctoring!
@BatmanSF Sarver didn’t have to sell. He did nothing wrong. The media blew his “scandal” out of proportion. His employees just wanted to get paid for doing nothing
Welcome to San Diego Harrison Bader
Jankowski is available and will come cheap. Might as well give him a call too.
This is no ohtani. Nice try giants
It’s no Correa either, which may well turn out to be bullet dodged.
No one is Ohtani, and I doubt the Giants are done.
This is such an unfair complaint lol. Nothing is comparable to Ohtani
And Ohtani was never going to sign with anyone but the Dodgers, so nando390d say something that contributes.
“This is no ohtani.”
Thanks for that penetrating insight.
They are a desperate organization
Farhan might not last the season
Idk how u blame Farhan ? It’s not his fault every superstar spurs the giants
It could be his fault, what do we know?
He hired Kapler…strike one…
What’s his excuse for the rest of the team?
Great. Guess everybody feels better now, including me.
Not pocket change.
Seems like a lot for a KBO hitter that took a step back last year and may not have a lot of power. As a Reds fan Akiyama should have drawn similar red flags. Looks like he is a good defender so that’s a plus and he doesn’t striker out but again the lack of power would worry me. He is young though..
Japan & Korea are different countries, FYI
Yes I know…Korea is worse and should be even more worrisome
He’s not a Japanese hitter.
I know which worries me more. Asian hitters in general worry me much more than pitchers.
I really hope Lee succeeds, but this is a HUGE risk. If he was a prospect at 25, he would have 3 minor league options to work things out if he struggled. Of course he would likely have been called up to MLB already and be starting his 2nd/3rd MLB season.
Ha-Seong Kim struggled badly at the plate his first year and a half with the Padres. The Giants now need to give Lee a long rope as it will likely take some time to adjust to MLB pitch speed. If they are ok waiting 2 years before evaluating this signing than that’s great. But you can’t expect Lee to be an MLB league avg bat at Day 1.
Agreed. Preller needs to make the playoffs this year and is well aware of Kim’s slow adaptation, which might have kept him from trying to outbid Giants on Lee. I’m actually relieved the Pads lost out, Lee seems like a solid future MLer, but maybe only a 2 WAR type …similar to Yoshida. Only even pricier.
But what will the Pads do? Sure hope they law off Bader. Perhaps a trade for an OFer is in the works.
I would have liked the Padres to sign Lee if his market was the $50M-$70M that was projected, I am fine waiting on high ceiling young talent to develop otherwise you are constantly overspending to plug holes in your lineup. But the over $110M Lee got was out of the Padres budget.
The Padres are going to have to look at the trade market for OF help or sign a couple 1 yr FA deals. I still think they could plug Cronenworth into LF on occasions as he becomes a Ben Zobrist type utility player. The money is spent on Croney, you might as well play him. The Padres are going to have to look at waiver pick ups as well. I do want them to keep Tatis Jr in RF. He flourished defensively in RF. Don’t mess with his defensive success by trying to make him a CF’er.
I’m with you on this. I liked him for the RS, but at $75M/5. This number shocked me.
Marsee will be better ! I don’t know if he will be ready but he was great in AFL.
Marsee might be ready before Lee
Marsee 2024 NL ROTY
Akiyama was 7 years older than Lee is now when he signed. And considering he was signed to a deal with a $7M AAV suggests he wasn’t nearly as highly regarded by scouts.
He took a step back in a small sample size with an injury. Wouldn’t read too much into it.
Ridiculous for a guy who never played in MLB.
Yamamoto has never played in the MLB, either, and he’s going to potentially command $300 million.
Also ridiculous.
The Asian leagues are equivalent to minor league ball. AA or AAA, depending on Korea or Japan.
How many minor leaguers make it in MLB?
Excellent point. What does not playing in mlb matter anyway for the Giants. We have a ton of money lack of bigger free agent hitters/sluggers willing to sign so this is a great deal. Get Bellinger now!!
Over paying because no one else wants to go there does not make it a great deal.
Add another $20m or so to that dollar amount as the posting fee to the Lions. Lotta “we’ll see” for $138m.
Darn. Wanted him to the Mets. Oh well =\
Still being patient here Stearns, but, ya knowww…
Holy overpay. This site had him signing for 50m. Some said he might get close to 85m. The giants are like you can over look the crap on the streets for 113m.
He was like yes I can.
Well it might be deferred money, that’s the cool thing you know!
They don’t have to defer money because they’ve got nothing on the books beyond 2024.
Giants fan here but geez, this totally screams overpay and Farhan is lost. If my math is semi correct – the Giants have roughly $57,000,000 tied up in Lee, Conforto, and Haniger in 2024 – my god that could be a ton of money tied up in in three outfielders with a total WAR of 2??
Conforto and haniger are sunk costs. Lee profiles at best as am elite cf with elite contact skills, at worst he’s got very good contact skills and very good cf d. 18 mill for that is pocket change
Haniger is not a “sunk cost.” When he’s healthy he can mash. The broken arm is healed. Let’s wait before we dole out death sentences.
Read the article you are commenting on, he does not have very good cf defense “at worst”.
At worst, he’s not an MLB player…I feel like people constantly underestimate what the actual worst case scenario is for baseball players.
Actually worse than that they also had to pay 19m in posting fees for Lee. If you add it all up leee will cost them 21m a year for 6 years. Way over pay
Who cares??? Giants sitting on a ton of cash…Conforto gone after this season and no other long range deals outside of a couple more years for Haniger and Webb…
The same team that is paying Haniger 20mil next year. Yikes.
The Giants are not the Royals or Rays or Pitates re salary…
Spending money poorly isn’t the flex you think it is.
That’s a lot of money for a top of the order bat who doesn’t steal bases.
Is it a tip of the order bat though?
He averaged 10 home runs a season in 7 seasons.
That will come down in MLB. Expect .285 7-10 HRs, 10 SBs, maybe he does better but if not those are Adam Frazier numbers.
I think that for a hitter with this profile, you’re not looking at HRs, so much as BA and gappers in spacious Oracle Park. He could be a speedy leadoff man and CF.
This is awesome. Happy for Giants fans.
Seems like a good fit for them. His contact game should play up in that stadium.
Because the contract is much higher than expected, I wonder if there are significant deferrals here as well
Decent minor league stats. Players with big numbers there are not often great here. Could have buyer’s remorse written all over it. Or not.maybe he will play to his numbers.
Giants got a good one congratulations Giants fans! You guys definitely needed someone of his profile, I like this for you guys especially now you have a pretty good fielding outfielder. Now go get Yamamoto or Imanaga!
Dude can hit!!
Yay!!! Go Giants!!!!
SF finally signed a big FA! Unfortunately this is an overpay.
Definitely 63 mil overpay
Hate to be upset as a giants fan bc at least they did something but not happy about this
Wow, shockingly I won’t go 0/50 in the free agent contest.
I might, and I didn’t even try to!
…facepalm…
Feels expensive for a AAA equivalent who has never been called up. SF finally got their person, and it was overseas.
Would have preferred Bellinger but I’ll take it. Now get Yamamoto or Snell and Chapman.
Thing is, Giants have a unique opportunity here: they can still get Bellinger (although I’m sure that would complicate their current OF assignments, necessitating a trade perhaps).
Either way, he’s obviously a good acquisition considering his contact skills. I’ve also read that despite concerns regarding his ability to hit high velo, his bat will play once he adjusts.
Congratulations to Giants fans –
5 straight Gold Gloves too Clip! And a Tony Gwynn/Ted Williams-esque like 5% K rate!
Yeah, that’s incredibly impressive…. There’s no shortage of talent over there. High contact rate and GG defense? Yep, I’d take it.
KBO Gold Gloves are not analogous to MLB Gold Gloves; they are not awards for defense
What are they awarded for? Good looks?
Best player at that position, like how All-NBA works. There is a Gold Glove award for DH.
The Braves may be interested in Slater as a potential 4th outfielder or possible platoon for Kelenic. Can we just trade for him and offer a ptbnl that we get from the Pirates or White Sox?
Spencer Strider?
Clip, They could still get Bellinger, but I don’t think they will, and I hope they don’t. Bellinger will be a lot more expensive than Lee, with more downside. Bellinger could be a huge landmine, and I hope the Giants don’t take that gamble.
Jean, I agree. The complication with Belli is obviously his current contract demands. If it’s anything remotely like it’s reported to be, that is…..quite steep, imho. I would not feel comfortable cresting $200MM for him. But, without a doubt, his defense is phenomenal.
Clip, I agree. Along with the landmine potential though, he does have significant upside as well. He’s a gamble that could pay off. I just like Lee better in terms of gambles.
Comforto likely lefty DH and Bellinger can play some first so they can sit Wade against lefties…yes I know Bellinger is a lefty but he likely plays every game against lefties.
Conforto is a decent fielder, albeit at a corner position, Wade hit better than Conforto last season. Wade struggled against LHPs early in his career, but hit better against them last season. They don’t need another lefty bat.
This was a pretty easy prediction. #3 for me
This is like double what he was supposed to get wasn’t it? I heard like 6 for 60 was the best guess. At least they got somebody. Oh wait he had a bad ankle. So I guess it’s back to pending a physical for the Giants then. It’s not over until the ink dries guys and gals.
Dumb money for him. The dude wasn’t that great and historically Korea league hitters performance doesn’t translate remotely in the mlb.
Yeah HSK has been good, borderline great this year. He was better in that league as well
Kim was terrible year one, 105ops+ year to and 110 ops+ year 3. Year three he has 2 very hot months and his last two months he was terrible.
Kim is getting 7m, Lee with his posting fee is getting 21m. That’s a crap load more money for the risk.
Because they lost out on Nimmo last year.
This is about 2 x the $$’s for an extra year based on early projections (5 / 50 with posting on top of that). Articles out today had SD as the favorite due to HSK but this amount of overpay can’t be battled right now apparently.
Why would he want to play in HSK’s shadows? Don’t matter if they’re friends or not.
If the Pads paid him, say, $120 million, I am pretty sure he would be fine playing in those shadows.
HSK will start the season at 3b and Lee projects at CF. I don’t think the shadows run that way at Petco.
Seriously, these are best friends and professionals so your point is for children.
Children enjoy playing with each other. These are adults trying to make a name for themselves and secure their chance at the biggest payday. Money talks. Obviously SD didn’t offer enough.
Ironic. first, you have no idea but I honestly doubt if anyone offered that much. Second, SF would surely know all about making a higher offer and being turned down.
Funny, but I don’t remember so many posts when the Cubs gave Seiya Suzuki almost double the estimates.
He went to the Cubs – nuff said!
This Cubs fan said something. But although I didn’t mind the money so much it was the NTC that went with it that really bothered me. Now with Happ getting one also the Cubs exciting young Corner OF’s are basically blocked for 3 more years.
Another player that the Mets were going after, signs elsewhere, but we’ll sign another nobody tomorrow lol
And Nimmo was a guy the Giants went after last year, but he chose to stay with the Stems.
We are screwed. After today losing Mauricio the Mets will be swinging a white flag. Seriously, if they do not sign Yamamota, the Mets will trade Pete Alonso by the deadline for pitching. Sterns has no loyalty to him and does not mind trading star players the team and fans love. Look at Hader trade to San Diego for further proof.
This dude is gonna get dominated by MLB pitching.
No way he gets dominated. But unlikely he hits for power much, especially in home games. He makes the team better, especially with all the recent injuries to Yastrzemski, Conforto and Haniger. But quite the overpay, even before the posting fee.
HSK was overmatched by 95+ his first year. No guarantee Lee follows but a fair concern – at least for year 1.
Why are the comments closed on the Urias story?
Always are when domestic abuse, dating someone underaged, or certain other criminal behaviors are involved.
People would heap on insults and things would get really ugly. Most sites want to keep the conversations at least somewhat civil.
They’re always closed on domestic violence articles.
Yikes. Seems desperate.
Yeah, but it seems that the contract costs are escalated once again for the desired second-tier or foreign candidates, perhaps because the number of teams involved, which is due to the perception they would be cheaper acquisitions, ironically. I think the same thing is happening with Yamamoto, but we will see (when the Yankees sign him!).
This is clearly a case of Jung Hoo fever!!
Feel like this is going to be bad fast.
Does that even include the posting fee? If not that’s gotta be ~140M, right?
Like 132m, 21m a year with fee
.318 6hr in 86 games last year in the KBO… $113mil ..Holy crap, no Thanks!
radhippo — Did you read the rest of his career stats? (He broke his ankle which is why he only played in 86 games.)
That’s too much money in my opinion almost the double of the projected…
MLB wages are getting out of control, now any dude makes 10-20 million AAV…
I think I would’ve understood that if it was something like ok 120 Million 10 years
SF finally gets someone even if they overpaid. Good for them. Hopefully they still have room for Stanton
But is is tooo overpaid in my opinion, and can inflate even more a market that was already inflated
Correct Don Carl, Belli’s price just went wayyy up
Except Ohtani he makes 2m
Lot of money for a guy with only ok power and no MLB or even NPB experience. Plate discipline and defense should translate, but I doubt he’ll live up to this contract.
You honestly think the Giants signed him for his power? They’ve extensively scouted him over the past year, they know exactly what they’re getting. Their last three WS rings were because of pitching and defense, this signing fits that bill from a defensive standpoint…
Could of had Bader for 1/3 the cost
Bader’s also 4 years older, their intention this whole time was to get younger and more athletic
Giants are t signing him for SB, he doesn’t steal
maybe they’ll finish .500 this season
Happy for giants fans! Seiya Suzuki 2.0 maybe?
What kind of contract can these guys get in Korea or Japan? What do the bigger contract guys make? Is it more than Triple A in the US?
Way more
I think I side with the wisdom of crowds on this signing. Seems like an overpay.
I reserve comment until I see what Yamamoto gets.
Looks like he got a pretty good contract.
This contract won’t age well
Dude’s only 25. That’s two years younger than Logan Webb.
Oh, I just got one pick from the FA contest. Need an update to that leaderboard!
Hoo Lee overpay.
This is just another indication that this is a rebuild year for the Padres.
We will get to see a substantial amount of prospects developed this year.
Punting in 2024 but groundwork for 2025.
Why would the Padres rebuild with some of the guys they have on that roster? Punting on 2024 is losing a year from the careers of Machado, Tatis, Bogaerts, and Kim. I don’t blame Preller for not outbidding the Giants’ offer. All they need is pitching to be competitive next season. Though getting that pitching won’t be easy.
Jean is right. We’re not punting, but we sure aren’t outbidding either. The Offseason is young still yet; I’m reserving judgment for a later date. Sign Yamamoto and all is well…
I agree, and my philosophy is always nothing matters until it is Spring Training.
But the non-signing of Lee, imo, is far worse than the trade of Soto. You got 3+ WAR back with King, plus $30M. Even without the prospects, that’s about a break-even.
But you need two OFs, unless you do as I suggest and move Bogaerts to LF, and one of the OFs have to be a CF or RF, and one of the quality choices is no longer available.
You’re starting to get squeezed a little.
Run it back again with Renfroe in RF, Junior to CF and anybody- and I do mean anybody- can play LF. AJ will gamble on a reclamation project in LF. Osuna perhaps? Doesn’t really matter…
Dude giants with posting fee have Lee 21m a year. Every team would be idiots to do that…no offense giants.
SanFran has it’s center fielder now. If this means that the Giants are out on Bellinger, then his price will surely come down. At point I wouldn’t mind seeing the Yankees re-engage and sign him. They likely won’t, but it’s a thought.
Had Judge ($40MM) and Stanton ($32MM), traded for Soto ($33MM), Grisham ($4.9MM), and Verdugo ($9.2MM). Now Bellinger ($25MM?) That’s about $145MM in outfielders and DH . Where are Yankees gonna get the $150-200MM to field an infield and pitching staff?
100+ million for a prospect. Holy crap.
Much different than a prospect. Rusney was a prospect, and he got better than half this. This dude won an mvp in a professional league. A gamble? Sure, but what contract isn’t
That front office had to sign someone.
This contract plus posting fee makes Candelario signing look loike a steal.
Another loss for the Mets. He was one of their priorities this off season.
Massive overpay. I know the Padres wanted him, but they were wise to take a pass at this price. I wonder if the Giants were just desperate to make a big splash after losing out on Ohtani, Judge, and so on. I feel like Snell may have been the better splurge for them. They have a ton of outfielders already.
Snell would fit well in sf i think
They’re going to attempt to sign multiple pieces, this is far from it, they have money to burn.
Massive overpay.
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I assumed the number would be ~ $15M. This is not that much higher. If SD has the money, they should’ve matched.
I actually like this signing quite a bit. I know KBO guys are a gamble but the Giants really needed a guy with his skill set and low K rate.
That’s of his low k rates sticks. Look at what he does on fastballs 93 or greater.
Yeah they typically have a hard time with MLB velocity but hopefully he can make the adjustment
Lee needs to write a thank you letter to Ohtani!
But seriously, seems like a good signing. Even if it’s more than people thought. It will be very interesting to see if they can overpay for Bellinger or Snell or Chapman.
Giants don’t need Bellinger, Chapman would be throwing good money away, and Snell, we’ll have to see.
Surprised there’s no deferrals through 2047
You gotta repeat that one again so the folks up in the rafters can hear it…hilarious.
Too bad the Giants can’t draft and develop their own outfielders which makes it necessary for them to go after free agents and cast offs from other teams.
Best post. Yeah you would think drafting and developing outfielders would be one of the most basic imperatives of any franchise. If you can’t handle that component, there is something structurally rotten with the entire core. You’re absolutely correct.
Overpay for a AA to AAA player. But that seems to be the new normal for MLB given the Brewers just handed one of their prospects a 10-year deal so I guess okay?
Wow. Massive overpay. Failure in the scouting. It’s as simple as that
Camden
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Wow. Massive overpay. Failure in the scouting. It’s as simple as that”
Hmm
Let’s see
Who’s more likely to know what they are talking about
Some rando online who wrote 4 sentences that show zero baseball knowledge or a major league team
I’m going with the major league team
Uh yeah every team in the league gets it wrong most of the time
These are the same “experts” who believe Courtney Hawkins might pan out. Same people that thought Mickey Moniak was the best draft prospect.. Same people that see MVP potential in Amed Rosario. And on and on with terrible evaluations
The truth is, most of the people in the “industry” have little idea what they’re doing
I’ve consistently been able to identify nearly every top prospect in the draft (Sale, Gorman, Wacha, Rendon, etc etc) over the years
If teams simply asked me who to draft believe me they’d have more prospects in one draft than the other teams combined
Camden
“Uh yeah every team in the league gets it wrong most of the time
Why do you think this?
“These are the same “experts” who believe Courtney Hawkins might pan out. Same people that thought Mickey Moniak was the best draft prospect.. Same people that see MVP potential in Amed Rosario. And on and on with terrible evaluations”
If you’re better at it than them, why aren’t you the expert
Because you are much worse at it than them
“If you’re better at it than them, why aren’t you the expert”
I have better things to do than work in the sports entertainment industry. The top minds don’t find something like that challenging
I see every day how they don’t know what they’re doing
Just because someone chooses a certain career path does not mean they’re any good at it
It usually just means 1) they chose that route and 2) they’re good at small talk/socializing. It does not mean they’re good at the job. Most of them are very bad at it
Every sector of society has oeople who are terrible at the job they do
The truth is it’s actually pretty easy to project prospects, if you know what’s going on
In my own personal mock drafts I’ve drafted much better than the Mets over the years. I knew Harvey was terrible, etc etc. Mets would have been LOADED if I had done the drafts
Camden
“I have better things to do than work in the sports entertainment industry. The top minds don’t find something like that challenging”
Right
But here you are making basic comments on MLBTR
“In my own personal mock drafts I’ve drafted much better than the Mets over the years. I knew Harvey was terrible, etc etc. Mets would have been LOADED if I had done the drafts”
Right
Do you believe this, or just think I’m dumb enough to?
“ But here you are making basic comments on MLBTR”
Because I teach. I teach people what reality is and how to do things
Eventually everyone agrees with me and realizes I’m right
As for my mock drafts, I said draft Sale not Harvey. I wanted Gorman instead of Kelenic, Gavin Lux instead of Justin Dunn, Hunter Renfroe instead of Dominic Smith, Michael Wacha instead of Gavin Cecchini, Sonny Gray instead of Brandon Nimmo, Jake Odorizzi instead of Ike Davis
Miraculously, this year I was saying draft Colin Houck and that’s who they drafted
If the Mets simply had me make the picks they’d be far better off
I don’t think this is a great feat because it’s easy to identify which players are better
It was obvious Gavin Cecchini was a fringe AAAA 2B. Not fringe major leaguer but fringe AAAA
Obvious Don Smith would never hit for power. Obvious Justin Dunn would get lit up by the HR ball. If you’re using first round picks on these players you don’t have a clue what you’re doing
In the 2014 draft I said Aaron Nola was the best prospect in the draft. He has the 2nd most WAR in that draft, 1.3 behind Trea Turner. Nola was one of the better prospects you’ll ever see in a draft
In the 2022 draft you’ll likely see that Justin Crawford, Brandon Barriera, and Brock Porter end up in the top 10 in WAR from that draft
This is easy. Every year I can identify most of the better prospects
But the thing about baseball and industry in general is the one guy who knows what he’s doing, in this case me or the few people that are inevitably in baseball front offices is that they always have to battle the hordes and hordes of people who don’t have any idea what’s going on
The mob tends to come to a poor consensus together, the one guy who knows is pleading not to take Moniak, and they all agree to take Moniak anyway
A pity no front office has hired you Cam.
I have much better things to do, trust me. I just come online to teach, that’s all
I have no desire to battle average minds. Everywhere you go online and off you have to battle endless very unintelligent people
If you want proof I’ll simply send you a list of draft prospects that will be the better players
In five to ten you can see how they pan out
It is so easy to pick all the better players. Many of them are still around in the later rounds
Where do you teach Camden? What subjects do you teach?? Is it all baseball related ??
@filihok Hey now! That guy just watched a whole TEN minutes of Lee highlights; he’s basically an expert on Lee now.
6/113 is almost 20m a year for a light hitting backup outfielder
I mean they could have maybe traded for Jake Mangum if they wanted this
Think this is a great signing for thr Giants, and could end up a bargain if he is as good defensively as he seems to be.
Harrison Bader Jr
Yes but the Tigers signed Anthony freakin’ BEMBOOM!
If yall think this an overpay wait until you see how much we give Yamamoto, he is the priority.
Yamamoto will make 380+ over ten years and he will be worth it when free agent starters two years from now are making that at mid market talent.
Exactly
Did California nationalize the west coast ML teams?
“The specific contract breakdown hasn’t been reported but that won’t be relevant for the competitive balance tax, which goes by the average annual value of a deal.”
I mean, we just learned that this isn’t the case
No, we didn’t. It’s AAV for present day value.
Begging MLBTR writers to add context when mentioning KBO Gold Gloves. They are not analogous to MLB Gold Glove Awards. They are not awards for defense. There is a DH Gold Glove award
They ARE for defense.
No they are not for defense. Hence my request for MLBTR writers to add context
What are they awarded for?
KBO GGs are more like “best player in the League at this position” – offensive leaders are automatically nominated.
What are they awarded for?
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Best at their position according to wiki. That’s actually more impressive than winning a GG in the US The US voters thought Soto was a good glove.
Eighty Raw, You’re implying defense isn’t a factor. It is. The KBO GG is given for the best player at the position, so it’s safe to assume bad fielders don’t win any despite how well they hit. And if you think hitting doesn’t affect the MLB GG awards, you better check again.
Literally no where did I imply anything. I simply stated facts.
Eighty Raw1 hour ago
“No they are not for defense.”
Yes they are, They’re not defense-centric like the MLB awards, but defense is a factor. Saying the are not for defense sounds like defense is excluded, which it isn’t, so yes, you did imply that.
Saying they are not for defense (true) does not mean defense isnt considered (when applicable; there is a DH gold glove).
“Saying the are not for defense sounds like defense is excluded”
No, it makes it sound like they are not for defense (again, true). You inferring other meanings does not mean I implied it. Keep trying. Seriously, what even is this lame argument.
The NBA sixth-man award is not an award for defense. It’s for the NBA’s best sixth-man. The Defender of the Year award is for defense. Am I implying that defense isnt considered for the sixth-man? Nope! But you can keep embarrassing yourself
The DH GG obviously has different parameters than all the other positions, so, like the NBA 6th man award, it’s irrelevant.
What you mean is they’re not for defense alone. By omitting ‘alone’ the implication is that defense is excluded. no matter what you claim.
Again, saying it’s not for defense is just wrong, because defense is a factor.
Eighty Raw
There is a DH Gold Glove award
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In all fairness, we gave Raffy Palmeiro a GG for his defense at DH.
And Jeter won three GGs between 2004-2006 when he had a negative -56 DRS, which might be the worst in history.
Ok but the MLB Gold Glove’s purpose is for honoring “the best defenders at each position in each league” and KBO’s is for honoring “best overall player at each position in the KBO League”
Always felt the 5/50 was a little low. Five GG should get you that in this years market. Still likely a bit of an overpay but looks like a good fit. Biggest problems last year were strikeouts and defense.
Cool signing! Happy for y’all Giants fans.
Love,
The other orange and black team
Ok, They got one guy. Still need a pitcher. And a 3rd Baseman. Go Get Em !
I like Lee, but this is way way OVERPAY !!!!!
US Triple A players put up major numbers in KBO all the time every yr.
He may end up helping their Sacramento team more than they may like.
Now get Chapman and snell and call it a great offseason
KBO hitters come with SIGNIFICANT RISK because KBO has yet to translate to MLB numbers – The players coming from KBO percentage is very low rate of success not saying its not possible that Lee is going to impact SF, but I doubt it on the batting side.
Japan league has translated to MLB much more closely even still players from Japan are not certain either (see example: Tsuyoshi Shinjo) but have less risk.
This will be interresting.
I just pulled up 10 minutes of Hoo Lee highlights. Outfield range is average at best. Power clearly isn’t there. Physically looks like he’ll be overpowered by major league pitching
Undersized, a lot of mechanical problems. Very bad mechanics actually. Some visible weakness in the leg. Mechanics don’t flow smoothly. Doesn’t run very well
Honestly looks like tons of minor league players that end up on waivers or at AAA
The arm is above average and judging from his KBO stats the chase rate and plate discipline and OBP might be there. There are no full at bat videos to see his plate discipline
There’s no way I would go 6/113
It’s pretty obvious as I also said of Cespedes that he has a bad leg. I can nearly guarantee he’ll have problems with one of his legs
It does not look good mechanically at all
Cam, I looked too. He also has an overbite, doesn’t chew his food well, rarely flosses, underuses napkins, is a poor parallel parker, has dicey penmanship, is a poor tipper, is distracted by cute girls, and doesn’t change his oil according to the manufacturer’s guidelines.
For all you padres fans that are saying they won’t do anything because of this.
Lee got 18.8m a year for 6 years. Plus an additional 18.8m posting fee.
That’s nearly 36m in cost this year. That’s more than Soto.
Plus if you add his posting fee to his contract the giants just gave this dude…21m a year for 6 years. If he opts out in 4 then they paid for him 23m a year for 4 years.
This deal has 80% downside. He would have to be an all star year one for this deal to make any sense. Guess what he won’t be. He can’t hit a fastball over 93. The avg mlb fastball is 93. Lee is a project getting paid like a borderline star.
You don’t know that without seeing the contract. If it is straight-lined, then the posting fee looks expensive. But the contract could call for say $15-17-18-21-23-25, in which case, the posting fee is less a concern.
Oh well, I thought Lee was an absolutely perfect fit for SD.
Let’s say it’s 17, his posting fee is still 19, that’s 36m.
@ Simm. I know a lot of Padre fans were high on Lee and I thought you were one of them, but if you read my past posts even weeks ago you’d know I’ve been opposed to the Pads signing Lee even for the projected 5/$50M I just don’t think he’s a difference maker as a hitter
Being an All-Star is arbitrary and subjective to voters and not a good example to determine his value to his team. Plenty of players with better stats get snubbed every year.
YBC, that’s right! Just ask Tim Salmon and Juan Pierre!
Ohtani is an All-Star lock for the next decade. It doesn’t even matter the numbers he puts up.
Bellinger must have told them no thx and they got desperate.
Yamamoto is gonna get 300 mil
Who got desperate? You making stuff up? Yamamoto is definitely going to land a high payout, hopefully with the Giants, they have tons of cash still to spend. Bellinger I don’t think is worth the money he’s going to demand. So maybe it’s the other way around.
Balk, my friend, it’s a power league. If you can’t hit the ball over the fence – u don’t have any value. Giants just threw away 100+ mill on a guy that won’t be a full time player.
San Francisco Desparodos
You didn’t just say that right? That was a big whiff of a comment.
Tony Gwen ring a bell? That’s just one example.
Yeah and only bc I was born in 1980 lol. Been along time since Gwen’s done any bell ringing. Their era is dead and gone and todays game is speed and power which this new 100 million dollar man is lacking. If he can’t carry an on base percentage of 400+ he won’t be league average
Don’t smash the kid before he’s played a single game. A lot of teams were in on this youngster. In today’s market that’s what won the deal.
Cant say I’ve ever heard of “Tony Gwen”
Not sure if MLBTR has reported this yet, but Susan Slusser is reporting the Giants offered Ohtani the exact same deal the Dodgers did.
Link:
msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/giants-offered-shohei-oht…
It’s a start Farhan. Now keep going!!!
Now sign Yamamoto and soler as dh
Go Dodgers….yeahhhhh
Jerry Dipoto, you failed again! IMO, this was your last straw to redeem yourself.
Why do you blame your GM for ownership’s refusal to spend on players? Mariners are 19th in payroll currently yet in 2022 The Seattle Mariners, per Forbes’ estimates and research, had a banner year in their bank account as well as on the field, leading all of MLB in operating income at $84 million (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation & amortization), a step up from ranking third in 2021. By Forbes’ calculations, the organization also saw the largest year-over-year leap in its value of any club, with a 29% swell in overall valuation to $2.2 billion, a full $1 billion growth in value for John Stanton and co. since his group purchased primary ownership of the club in 2016. You have a GM not a magician.
larkraxm
Why do you blame your GM for ownership’s refusal to spend on players?
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Thank you for this comment. As a RS fan, I saw a lot of other fans blaming Bloom for not spending, instead of blaming Henry. Where we were once religiously #1/2, we slipped to #12.
I’m not sure we can or should go toe-to-toe with Cashman, Cohen, Friedman, or Preller, but we should be able to match or exceed TO, Philly, etc.
At least wait until Spring Training starts. If nothing has been accomplished by Feb 14 or so, then I will riot in front T-Mobile at the corner of Edgar & Dave.
Tomorrow’s headline:
Giants’ physicians concerned over Lee’s medicals
This reminds me of Reds/Shogo Akiyama…
Contact hitter with limited pop – he had massive trouble with MLB velocity.
A difference is that Akiyama-san was a Gold Glove caliber fielder…
7-year age difference. Shogo was already likely in decline when he was signed.
MLB Tonight just this guy has been hitting in a Double A / Triple A league!? He is not hitting 3.00 in the MLB.
He was averaging .340 with a great obp, defensive marks are great also…If he could bat .280 with a good obp I’d be happy with that.
His defense is not, “great”. Read the article you’re commenting on.
A .990 fielding percentage isn’t bad bro. Read the players stats.
Lee was one of the three pieces I posted we needed after Ohtani’s signing making note that essentially Lee and Bellinger could put up similar numbers combined as Ohtani. Yamamoto is still my #1 target but have a bad feeling about the the SmelLA Flodgers…but there are other options that could fill the #2 rotation spot pretty well with the lefty Snell and Corbin Burnes both potentially equal to Yamamoto on the short term but Yamamoto is still the potential biggest pitching gem this free agent class…over the twice Tommy John’d Ohtani…
HR over/under – nine?
Who cares? Don’t think they signed him to hit HR. They signed him to roam CF, hit at the top of the order, and hit for contact.
No power, lots of doubles, more walks than strikeouts. The Giants got themselves a hitter for the top of the order. However they need to find speed somewhere in that lineup
I feel like the “deferral” jokes are here to stay forever haha. Especially if some of them are deferred..
I’ll make most of my deferral jokes in ten years.
But you’ll only half as many thumbs-up,
Sayonara Wade Meckler. No room for two non-power hitters. Hope Lee does not turn into Hanniger 2.0. They bought cheap. Instead of Bellinger, they went to Walmart.
Meckler is 23, why give up on him already?
If Lee is Walmart, and Correa is Dior, then what store is Bellinger?
In-N Out
Kohls
No way giving up on Meckler, that kid is crazy fast and is controlled for some time. The office knows Lee isn’t a power bat and can still go out and get that. Maybe Alonso, Arozerina etc…
I think Zaidi just saved his job. If we can land Yamamoto he’s going to look pretty good dodging the Ohtani deal whether it was by design or by luck.
Unless this contract is massively backloaded after that opt out, this seems like a really bad signing. The Giants are paying him quite well and taking the risk that if he figures it out and performs well, he can opt out.
I’ll just assume that it’s going to take him a year to get aclimated since that’s pretty normal for guys coming over, so you’re probably looking at 3 years of quality production for ~$94m (including posting fee and just using AAV of the contract) as your realistic best case scenario or 6 years and ~$130m if he’s not good. It becomes less of a risk the more that the money comes after the opt out, but this just really doesn’t seem like a contract that has a lot of upside vs. the potential risk.
Overpay
I don’t know how to feel about this.
It’s not my money or my team, but it seems pretty dumb to give an unproven player this amount of money.
You can put all his accolades in front of me but someone has a list of all the KBO stars that have raked in the majors?
The only way I can see this being a good deal is that Baseball’s loss of ground to other sports in the US and abroad has reduced the production of a solid pipeline of players so they are predicting Japan and Korea will produce the next wave of stars, just like the Dominican Republic has done over the past 2 decades and Puerto Rico before that.
Nonetheless, if I were to bet I’d say this will be looked as an overpay by this time next year.
I’ll admit that before the Kelenic trade, I wanted the Braves to sign him. However the AAV of his contract is substantially more than I had imagined (I was thinking in the 9 to 11 million dollar range per year).
I think Lee will be a very decent player who will eventually have a potential all-star appearance or two, but that price tag is more than I expected for sure.
Farhan, go get Pete Alonso. Alonso’s right hand bat will easily hit 40 hr in that park.
Here are my projections for his first season in the MLB.
Jung Hoo Lee
AB: 395
R: 53
H: 126
2B: 26
3B: 4
HR: 5
RBI: 47
BB: 35
SO: 38
BA: 0.262
OBP: 0.300
SLG: 0.444
Watch him put up equal to better numbers than ohtani for the life of this contract. (I know I know, he doesn’t pitch you nerds).
Padres should probably trade Kim seeing as they missed out on Lee. It will be painful for fans but they should get a high return.
This whole “the Giants tried signing star players and have come up short” thing is so tired. They have literally been the runner up on the last 2 biggest free agents, Judge and Ohtani. That actually says a lot in favor of the Giants organization, but then you clowns spin it to “nobody wants to play in San Francisco”.
From the comments, it seems to me that we go from “HR’s/3 true outcomes is the worst thing to happen to the way baseball is played” to “HR’s are the most important thing” when it comes to a KBO player.
Backloading the contract was a sharp move! Hoping he pans out and doesn’t trigger the opt out because of that
If he opts out he has killed it. I’ll take that.
I’m just thinking it’s a smart move to make the long odds bet that he’s worth it late because if he isn’t the contract is much cheaper and if he is then a team will have to go over a higher number to take him. He was high on my giants shopping list so I’m pretty stoked he’s coming to town.
The big dollar years are also payroll free except for Webb.
I’m happily surprised. The predictions and the Padre cartel had me convinced he was going there.
The Giants were DESPERATE! $18.8 million AAV and 9 figures guaranteed for a guy that has never played a game in the majors and has little to no power.
Yamamoto & Lee > ohtani. Get er done Giants.
He seems like a really good kid. Hard not to root for him.
The Giants finally found someone willing to dodge the human feces. I just read that Ohtani didn’t like San Francisco, the city that is.