The Dodgers officially announced the signing of two-time MVP Shohei Ohtani to a 10-year contract. The two-way superstar had announced his intention to sign with the club via his Instagram page on Saturday.
“Dodger fans, thank you for welcoming me to your team,” Ohtani said in a statement released by the team. “I can say 100 percent that you, the Dodger organization and I share the same goal – to bring World Series parades to the streets of Los Angeles.”
Ohtani is guaranteed an astounding $700MM on the deal, as revealed in a statement from his CAA agent Nez Balelo. However, the contract comes with a staggering set of deferrals, a concept apparently suggested by Ohtani himself. Ohtani will only collect $2MM of his salaries annually over the course of the next decade. The remaining $680MM is deferred to be paid out between 2034-43, thereby reducing the contract’s competitive balance tax number to roughly $46MM.
Regardless of how that distribution, the 29-year-old Ohtani lands the single largest contract ever given to a professional athlete. The $700MM guarantee surpasses the $674MM deal that soccer legend Lionel Messi signed with FC Barcelona for the 2017-21 La Liga seasons.
“First of all, I would like to express my sincere gratitude to everyone involved with the Angels organization and the fans who have supported me over the past six years, as well as to everyone involved with each team that was part of this negotiation process,” Ohtani said in his Instagram message. “Especially to the Angels fans who supported me through all the ups and downs, your guys’ support and cheer meant the world to me. The six years I spent with the Angels will remain etched in my heart forever. And to all Dodgers fans, I pledge to always do what’s best for the team and always continue to give it my all to be the best version of myself. Until the last day of my playing career, I want to continue to strive forward not only for the Dodgers but for the baseball world.”
Balelo’s statement: “Shohei is thrilled to be a part of the Dodgers organization. He is excited to begin this partnership, and he structured his contract to reflect a true commitment from both sides to long-term success. Shohei and I want to thank all the organizations that reached out to us for their interest and respect, especially the wonderful people we got to know even better as this process unfolded. We know fans, media and the entire industry had a high degree of interest in this process, and we want to express our appreciation for their passion and their consideration as it played out.”
Aaron Judge’s ten-year, $360MM deal with the Yankees last winter was the largest free agent deal in baseball history, while Mookie Betts landing $365MM in new money in his 2020 extension with the Dodgers was technically the largest deal overall. Mike Trout’s ten-year, $360MM extension with the Angels was considered by the team as a 12-year, $426.5MM pact due to its inclusion of previously owed money in Trout’s previous deal, but while that extension had been considered by some to hold the “biggest contract ever” title, Ohtani’s contact now ends all debate.
While it was widely expected that Ohtani would set a new standard for baseball contracts this winter, nearly doubling the Betts/Judge totals is an incredible new benchmark. The $700MM figure speaks to several factors — Ohtani’s generational talent as a two-way superstar, the amount of revenue Ohtani can personally generate in terms of additional endorsements and fan interest from Japan, the number of big-money offers made by the other known suitors in the race, and simply the Dodgers’ determination to land a player who has been on their radar for years.
If the National League had had the designated hitter in 2018, it is quite possible Ohtani would’ve signed with the Dodgers when he initially came to MLB from Nippon Professional Baseball during the 2017-18 offseason. The Dodgers (along with the Cubs, Rangers, Padres, Mariners, and Giants) were the finalists behind the Angels, whose willingness to give Ohtani free reign as both a pitcher and a hitter allowed the Anaheim club to seal the deal, and set the stage for one of the most remarkable stretches baseball has ever seen.
The impact was immediately, as Ohtani hit and pitched at such as high level in 2018 that he was an easy choice as AL Rookie Of The Year. He had to undergo a Tommy John surgery that kept him off the mound in 2019, though he was still able to hit as a DH and posted some impressive numbers. However, an injury-marred 2020 campaign saw Ohtani deliver poor numbers at the plate and only 1 2/3 total innings on the mound, creating doubt as to whether he could truly live up to the hype.
The doubts were erased from 2021-23. Ohtani posted a 2.84 ERA, 31.4% strikeout rate, and 8.3% walk rate over 428 1/3 innings on the mound, while also hitting .277/.379/.585 with 124 home runs over 1904 plate appearances. Not even Babe Ruth amassed such levels of performance while both hitting and pitching at the same time, earning Ohtani the unofficial nickname of “the Unicorn.” Ohtani won AL MVP honors in both 2021 and 2023, and finished second to Judge in 2022 in the aftermath of Judge’s AL-record 62 home runs.
As stunning as Ohtani’s contract is, it seems possible that he might’ve landed even more if he’d been fully healthy. Ohtani suffered a tear in his UCL that required surgery in September, and though it isn’t clear whether or not his surgery was another Tommy John procedure or a brace procedure, he isn’t expected to pitch during the 2024 season. It seems likely that Ohtani will miss some time at the start of next season to recover well enough to operate as a DH, and after his TJ surgery in 2018, he was able to get onto the field by May 7, 2019.
More details should become available as we get closer to Spring Training, though that perhaps isn’t a sure bet given Ohtani and Balelo’s penchant for keeping quiet on specifics. Ohtani’s last few months have been marked by a somewhat unprecedented level of secrecy about not just his health, but any hints about his free agent market. It was made clear by Balelo that leaking details to the media would be marked against any team in the chase, and thus most clubs played ball with the Ohtani camp’s requests.
The lack of information led to no end of speculation about what exactly Ohtani was looking for in his next team. It was known that Ohtani was eager to win, which perhaps isn’t surprising considering that the Angels were never able to deliver even a .500 season with both Ohtani and Trout on the roster. Ohtani’s initial venture to MLB prioritized West Coast teams, yet that didn’t appear to be a true determining factor in this case. The reported finalists for Ohtani’s services included three West Coast teams (the Dodgers, Angels, and Giants), as well as the Cubs against, and a new suitor altogether in the Blue Jays.
Two reports yesterday suggested that Ohtani was signing with the Jays and was en route to Toronto, leading to a social media flurry that included everything from flight-tracking at Toronto’s Pearson Airport to queries about a large reservation allegedly booked by Jays pitcher Yusei Kikuchi at a downtown sushi restaurant. In the end, the Blue Jays fell short in their attempt to sign the two-way star, though as with all of the suitors, it could be that Dodgers’ final offer simply blew every other bid out of the water.
Ohtani’s free agency in some ways held up the rest of the market entirely, as several top talents were waiting for Ohtani’s situation to be resolved so they could have a clearer picture of what teams might be bidding on their own services. Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Cody Bellinger, Jordan Montgomery, Matt Chapman, and others might now see their markets kick into higher gear with Ohtani off the board. The trickle-down effect bled into the trade market as well, as numerous teams with players available can now shop for offers from clubs who missed out on Ohtani — and might be even more pressed to make a big addition.
The Giants, for instance, are still feeling the heat to add a superstar after also falling short on Judge and Carlos Correa last offseason. The Blue Jays still have a lot of holes to fill in their lineup after an almost team-wide lack of consistency at the plate in 2023. The Cubs were perhaps seen as less likely to spend to quite the same level as other suitors, though president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer firmly denied a report from earlier this week suggesting that Chicago was out of the hunt. The Mets, Red Sox, and Rangers did seemingly pull back prior to the start of the Winter Meetings, whereas speculative candidates like the Yankees, Braves, Phillies, or Mariners never seemed involved to any great extent.
The Angels have the toughest pill to swallow in seeing Ohtani not just leave, but head across town to the other Los Angeles team. Because the Halos were just barely able to maneuver themselves under the luxury tax threshold, the Angels will maximize their compensatory return for Ohtani, who naturally rejected a qualifying offer. Anaheim will now get a compensatory pick after the second round of the 2024 draft, which is admittedly small consolation for losing one of the game’s all-time singular talents. There hasn’t been any sense that the Angels are planning to rebuild or take a step back now that Ohtani is gone, as the team has reportedly still been trying to add top-end talent to finally get back into contention.
As for the Dodgers, they got their man, cost be damned. They’ll also surrender $1MM in international bonus pool money, as well as two draft picks — their second- and fifth-highest selections in the 2024 draft — to sign a player who rejected a qualifying offer. Ohtani now joins Betts and Freddie Freeman in one of the more fearsome top-of-the-order trios in recent memory, and solidifies at least the DH spot in Chavez Ravine for the next decade. There have been some whispers that Ohtani might try his hand at playing the outfield should he ever opt to stop pitching, and while he did make some brief appearances as an outfielder during his time with the Halos, the question of a future position probably isn’t being raised for at least a few years down the road, or until Ohtani has exhausted all options as a pitcher.
Ohtani’s arm injury was particularly troublesome for the Dodgers in the short term, as the club is still in need of pitching help heading into 2024. Walker Buehler is returning after missing all of 2023 due to his own TJ surgery, swingman Ryan Yarbrough is probably penciled into one rotation spot for at least the start of the season, and Bobby Miller has all but officially won himself a spot after an impressive rookie year. That leaves a collection of other young arms (Ryan Pepiot, Emmet Sheehan, Michael Grove and Gavin Stone) battling for other rotation spots, and Dustin May could be a factor by midseason once recovered from a flexor tendon surgery. Longtime ace Clayton Kershaw is a free agent and will miss a big chunk of the 2024 campaign due to shoulder surgery, though it would seem that if Kershaw decides to keep playing, it will be either with the Dodgers or with his hometown Rangers.
Yamamoto is known to be another target on the Dodgers’ wishlist, while Dylan Cease and Tyler Glasnow are two of the undoubtedly many more experienced pitchers L.A. has discussed in trade talks. The Dodgers could perhaps trade from their deep farm system to facilitate some pitching trades, or make yet another big signing. Even after adding Ohtani to the books, the Dodgers had created enough space on the books that they’re only slightly over the $237MM luxury tax threshold — as per Roster Resource, the club’s projected tax number is just over $244MM. Since Los Angeles hasn’t been reluctant to pay a tax bill in the past, president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman can continue to be aggressive as the team enters the Ohtani era.
Despite 11 straight playoff appearances and 10 of the last 11 NL West titles, the Dodgers have captured “only” one World Series title within this fantastic run of success. All those postseason near-misses have left something of an underwhelming feeling amongst Dodger fans, and the team has won only a single playoff game over its last two trips to October. It always felt as though the Dodgers were going to be pushing to sign Ohtani no matter their recent results, yet his addition perhaps acts as some kind of turning point in translating a few more of those playoff visits into championship rings.
Claiming that the Dodgers will become even more of a high-profile franchise is a little difficult to claim, since obviously the club’s long line of past Japanese stars has made them a household name overseas. Still, adding the biggest star of all in Ohtani will only enhance the Dodgers as a worldwide brand. The added marketing, merchandising, and broadcasting revenues that come with signing Ohtani won’t exactly cover $700MM, yet it isn’t a stretch to say that the Dodgers will enjoy some unprecedented economic benefits in addition to what Ohtani delivers on the field.
Alden Gonzalez of ESPN reported the absence of any opt-out clauses. His colleague Jeff Passan first reported the majority of Ohtani’s contract would be deferred, while Fabian Ardaya of the Athletic was first with the deferral specifics. Bob Nightengale of USA Today reported the no-trade provision.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images
Wow!
Wow!
What the fuuuuuu
Wow Betts, Ohtani, Freeman.
Good luck getting through them
I got to be the wow guy. Doesn’t feel like 700 mill but maybe $5. Heck yea
Also. All my LA friends going crazy right now. I’m on the ohtani is over rated wagon, not that he’s not awesome, but man $700 million feels crippling when he’s got maybe three pitching seasons left. Of course, it doesn’t really matter in the pay to win sport
He may not have any pitching seasons left
Yeah that’s why the highest payrolled teams ALWAYS Win the world series.
It’s absurd. He’s good but no player is worth that. Good for him though.
There’s a radio dj in Las Vegas named Mike P. When I was in high school. He did a parody song of I’m in love with a stripper with a song called I’m in love with a gay dude. (Im honor or his cousin) lol. Sorry to go off topic. Your name just reminded me of him and his song.
You must realize they will recover alot of that in merchandise sales, tickets, and commercials. They already planned for this.
Not sure if that’s true. If he’s directly bringing $40 Million per year in sponsorship revenue (which could be the case with the Dodgers) he’s probably worth that money.
They will easily recover alot of that in merchandise sales, tickets, and commercials. They already planned for this.
Like Jacob deGrom they will pitch again but will they be good time will tell
Worth it. That made me lol
They already sell out every home game. They aren’t going to see any increase due to signing Ohtani.
He may pitch the next ten despite contrary belief he has 2 tommy johns he only had one, and he’s thirty how old is verlander, mad max, and kershaw that’s ten years from now.
Question is, will he keep bringing in that much sponsorship money if he spends a few years hurt or ineffective? Public attention and adoration is fickle. There’s certainly no guarantee he continues bringing in that money for 10 more seasons.
Just so you are aware of it, but NO team pockets money from merchandising or the sale of baseball items. All the money goes into one fund and is shared amongst the 30 MLB teams. Between 11 percent and 15 percent of the merchandise sales will go to the league and is then shared equally among the teams. The rest goes to the manufacturer. Retailers also receive their cut of the profits and the players association also receives a percentage of total sales before it is divided amongst the teams. LA may benefit from Ohtani, but merchandise will put millions in the pockets of all thirty teams. The biggest recipients are MLB and the MLBPA,
I’d imagine every seat in the stadiums base price just went up at least $5 a game.
He brings in a whole continent, that loves baseball probably more than the United States, also every game is televised in Japan. I’m sure he brings in more money than you think.
I believe they get money from the broadcasting in Japan
Belix, I think the merch etc, will cover about 300-350 million. They may break even.
No they won’t. Dodgers already sell such a large percentage of tickets that they will not get much of a boost if any there. Merchandise sales was $2 million for Ohtani last season. That won’t help much since the team doesn’t get much of that. Sponsorships will undoubtedly go up, but not to the extent they did in Anaheim. Anaheim had little else since Trout doesn’t do much.
Money for commercials he does goes directly to Ohtani, not the Dodgers.
I thought the bidding would be around $50 million and the largest bid would be by a team that could actually benefit from things like increased ticket sales. That is not the Dodgers. They can’t sell enough more to pay even 10% of that salary.
I’m a Dodgers fan, and trust me when I say this isn’t true.
It’s a complicated system to mathematically quantify in terms of dollars, but it was researched and a report released. MLBTR released a story in March specifically addressing the economic impact of Ohtani.
Here is the link, take from it what you will, but it is good information nonetheless.
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/05/how-much-revenue-does-s…
Will they though? They would have to sell an ADDITIONAL $70 million a year. Sure they may top that each year now, but it’s the Dodgers. They have enough fans they could pay ME minimum salary to be the DH and still sell that much in merchandise. I don’t think Ohtani will add THAT much to their bottom line. If he did, the Angels would have never let him go.
What matters is the Dodgers are now on the hook for $1.1 billion for three players. No matter what team you are that is crippling
Many of those things in that report are wrong. The Angels said approximately 11% of ticket sales were people that came specifically to see Ohtani play. About 300,000 on average in his tie in Anaheim. The Dodgers cannot increase ticket sales by 11%. What ticket sales he brings in on the road doesn’t matter to the Dodgers. .
Ohtani MLB merchandise sales was $2.1 million. Most of that does not go to the team.
MLB owns the broadcast rights to games going overseas, so that won’t help the Dodgers.
Between increased ticket sales, sponsorships, merchandise sales, and everything else than comes along with Ohtani, he increased Angels revenue by $37 million.
Exactly, look at how Pujois fell off the map a few years into his deal.
If they raise the price of a ticket $5/game, at 3.5M tickets sold per season, they are $17.5M towards the goal. The Mariners just raised ticket prices AND cut the budget.
I know which franchise is more worried about profits than rings…
MP
“Of course, it doesn’t really matter in the pay to win sport”
Yes. The players should play for the love of the game and not for money. Just like you sell those movie theater tickets (or whatever) due to your love of cinema.
Rex, any international broadcast rights belong to MLB and are split between all 30 teams.
Texas 9th and Arizona 21st. So not exactly highest
International broadcast rights belong to MLB as a whole so it would be shared equally by all 30 teams just like it did when Angels games were being broadcast in Japan.
Ohtani was the #1 seller in MLB and accounted for $2.1 million in merchandise sales in 2022. Very little of that goes to the teams and its all pooled then split by all teams.
Japan isn’t a continent.
@shadow i mean teams get through them every year…
Next posting Ohtani undecided.
Like this as Dodgers are my second favorite team.
But holy overpay Batman!
This guy is injured. Have they forgotten Darren Dreiffort so quickly?
Ahhh man! I was rooting for that one guy who vowed he would be first on this post when it happened. Dang, many people wished luck on his journey too…..oh well
They’re basically paying full price for the hitter, say $40 mil, and the SP, $30 mil. It only makes sense for off-the-field revenue.
Return of the Empire
Yamamoto to Dodgers next?
Nope.
Fork.
Now can we finally get along with the offseason, please?
Yes, there are other teams and I will be rooting against the Dodgers even more now. It will be a treat every time they don’t win it all as they should with that payroll. i.e. the Padres.
Well, it didn’t matter to me which team as much as just getting on with it!
Yeah!!!! On with the off season.
I wish I could see Blue Jay’s fans faces right now. This is all for you!!!
Blue Jays fans don’t deserve to be Arson Judged like that!
This seems like such a ridiculous contract amount, but why not I guess.
This will probably cost Acuna a few MVP awards
dodgers spending 700mil just to not make the WS
You’re so mad lol, I love it!
Disgusting.
Seriously. As if the NL West wasn’t already a run-away for the Dodgers.
They didn’t sign him to win the division, however.
To bring back Kershaw and bring in decent pitching, the Dodgers just pretty much guaranteed their payroll will be over $300 million.
do you not understand how deferred money works?
I guess you don’t realize that deferred money has no effect on the CBT calculations. This is a $70 million AAV signing in terms of CBT. So if they add Kershaw and one more decent player at around $20 million the Dodgers CBT number for 2024 will be over $300 million.
Worth every penny.
Sayonara, traitorous Shohei… instead of missing the playoffs, now he’ll know what it feels like to get swept in the NLDS every year!
So the whole narrative about Ohtani wanting to escape from a failing city full of homeless and poo poo and dookie was erroneous.
Smarter than Trout.
Ohtani said it was about winning but in the end it was all about the money!
Looking at the dodger payroll the next two highest salaries are Betts at $26 million and Freeman at $25 million then it falls off to $15M. When one star makes more per year than the next three combined that can create all kinds of issues going forward. The Dodgers got so caught up in signing Ohtani at whatever that they have potentially opened a whole new can of worms!
Boo
Why?
Well, boo $700m. That’s insane. Juan Soto will think he’s worth $600m next season. Also, boo the Dodgers. I don’t like them. At least it’s not the Cubs.
Whatever it takes to be done with this.
And if that means paying some Ohtani fee when I buy tickets so be it.
Lol, if Juan Soto thinks he is on Ohtani’s tier then he needs to check himself into a psych ward.
Ah, I thought you were mad the reds didn’t spend all their money for the next ten years lol
Everyone will want just under Ohtani now. Watch. Thr Braves are lucky they signed everyone to long term contracts.
Oh haha. Make fun of the small market teams. Without the small market teams there would be no baseball.
Bro I’m a reds fan, just not a fan of overpaying players to later hamstring the organization
Bob C called Ohtani and asked for a loan to sign Yamamoto???
At 700 mil deferred or not, as a Cubs fan I’m glad the Cubs didn’t offer that much. I would love to kno1 how much they did offer though.
All this does is further create a divide between the top and bottom of baseball. Smaller market teams who don’t have much of a chance to keep talented players will have little to no chance at all soon. It’s not good for baseball. The contracts keep getting more insane and 2/3 of the league won’t be able to afford a superstar player soon. What will a team-friendly early extension be in the near future? $300m?
Players may want that but no one is giving it to them unless the market dictates it.
Hard to see Soto not getting a minimum of 45m year after this. Wouldn’t be surprised if Boras and Soto shoot for a 50m AAV
No way he’s signing an extension even at 500m after this signing.
Mariners already signed Julio for a potential $470 million.
Wow, that’s a massive overpay.
I’m with you Cincy Fan. I hate that baseball isn’t an even playing field cuz it’s such a great game. But I always root against the dodgers because of my personal experiences at the stadium and with their fans. I’m sure there are similar stories from many teams and that’s not to say there’s aren’t great people out there who root for the dodgers, it’s just been bad apple after the next.
Soto will get 14 years. At $45 million per season, that is $630 million.
That will all come out.
Dodger tickets will now include an Ohtani tax but it won’t be listed on the ticket because the team keeps the money.
Cincy, it shouldn’t change much because you figure he got $45m for hitting and $25m for pitching. How many others will be in that position? Also, as for Soto, he already turned down a huge offer.
As of today the Reds have a payroll of $67.1 million. Ohtani is at $70 million AAV.
Was his insta hacked?
Who is Ohtani?
What is a cuna
Whatever you do, don’t put it thru Google Translate
Matata?
YESSSSSSS
You gotta change your name name. You can’t be depressed after this overpay
I made this when LA lost to atlanta in 2021 but holy hell no opt outs is insane im so happy
You can change it at any time. I changed mine a few times. I was “Player Formly know as Mousecop” I even had prince’s symbol on either end of the name.
I promise you with the jinx of your team you still won’t win a World Series
Well…..jays are still better than the Yankees
That’s a weird comment to make.
Whatever helps..
JoeSays: Last time they got cocky Judge broke Canada….
This is history
That’s about as definitive as it gets
Did he say 700m???
Yes, he did in fact say 700m.
The dodgers should have saved money and just bought him the pirates. I’m kidding of course…. I do think arod at the time probably could have got the pirates instead of his first big deal.
Yeah, no thanks. -Jays
No kidding.
I agree but it would be nice to see 4 signings by the jays to make up for this miss
Exactly. Stings right now but IMO Jays are much better off not getting one player for that amount of money. Good luck to the Dodgers. IMO it’s a HUGE risk.
Uh huh
Every so called “journalist” who posted that click bait BS story yesterday has lost all credibility.
Where have you been the last 10 years?
All the journalist that posted this yesterday they all want to be the first to report it. That’s why they will lose all credibility.
BRANTLEYED!
Dark, you will have to explain this one to me. Over my head.
Michael Brantley was going to Toronto – until he wasn’t. Seems like Jays fans got trolled again.
Is this Los Angeles a suburb somewhere in Toronto?
Not the one in South California, They got one in south Padagonia. -Frank Black
The second Frank Black/Pixies reference I’ve seen on MLBTR lately! Keep up the good work!
Wow. Way too expensive.
So much for the recent reports that it “has never been about the money” for Ohtani.
It’s never been about the money for me, but if someone wanted to pay me $700 million to practice architecture where people would cheer when I walked into the office—I wouldn’t object.
@Caylor Still wouldn’t be about the money, though.
Oh No Canada!
Nez Balelo FTW!!!
Canada, you’re in my thoughts and prayers tonight.
I can think of about seven hundred million ways to spend that money
Everything you think of doing with it cost a dollar?
Doesn’t necessarily have to spend it to think about it.
Dave Roberts will pull him in the 5th
Harry
Roberts will do whatever Friedman tells him to do . . . which means you are probably right
Yes but he will still be the designated hitter. Question is who will be the leadoff hitter? Betts or Ohtani?
Betts, freeman, Ohtani, smith, muncy
Ouch
Not really. Can be neutralized by elite pitching. Betts & Freeman not getting any younger.
That statement can be applied to every team and every player
Just came to say Hiflew is dumb and stupid
Ohtani will pitch again.
He’s never likely to pitch again, so probably not. But if he does, I cannot wait to see he try to navigate Coors Field. Even Kershaw has a career ERA near 5.00 in Coors.
$70 M a year? That’s more than some teams total budget.
Great point …. According to Spotrac more then 8 teams total payroll.
A’s $38m, Orioles $42m, Pitts $54m, Cin $59m, Mil $61m, KC $65m, Mia $65m and Clev $66m.
WOW!!!
A better comparison is 2023 total payroll against Pirates $76m, Orioles $71m and A’s $62m. The 2024 numbers are incomplete, do not include FA signings or arbitration players.
Yup. Welcome to the pattenendly unfair world of MLB.
The article says the salary will be deferred. So no, not $70m per year. Probably closer to $40-50m per year and the Dodgers will still be paying the rest well into his retirement.
$70 million AAV for the CBT.
Brutal weekend for Jays fans. I’m not part of that fanbase but I feel for them.
I would be glad as a Jays fan to not give him $70 million a year. The Jays could not win the World Series giving a player that much. It’s sad the Dodgers and Yankees have to trade for or buy most of their star players.
Fair take. That amount of money isn’t about winning as much as it is about business, revenue, marketing.
So the Blue Jays didn’t trade for or buy any of their talent? You must not watch them very often…
And weren’t you just celebrating Ohtani to the Jays on the last thread? That’s a quick turnaround.
To trade for quality players, the Dodgers have had to draft and develop well, so that they have chips to use. Every team can do that – it’s not their fault that some teams don’t.
A ridiculous comment, but enjoyable knowing how sour those grapes must taste….
As a Giants fan, it’s nice not to be the ones getting trolled this time.
Brutal weekend for Jays fans indeed. I’m also not part of that fanbase but I’m loving this.
Please just be another false report by a baseball writer
The scoop is from Ohtani himself
Holy mother of god…
700 mil is insane, imagine if he can’t pitch anymore
$700 million can not be right if it is I am not watching baseball anymore
I guess your not watching baseball anymore
Idiot
LETS GO!
Good gravy. This sport needs a salary cap.
Football has a salary cap and their salaries have exceeded baseball players’ salaries for years now.
That’s so not the point
My point is that a salary cap won’t affect how much a given team chooses to give players, just like it doesn’t in football, basketball, or any other sport. It doesn’t lead to equity, thus making it pointless.
Uhhhh have you seen the parity in football? A salary cap certainly leads to equality, esp if combined with a salary floor.
The parity in football? Do you realize baseball has more parity than football? The “parity” in football is perceived, not actual. Research has clearly demonstrated this and so does a casual look at the seasons’ outcomes. This same discussion topic is broached every year, and every year the results are the same – no other major professional sport has the parity of professional baseball. The only reason football is even close now is because half the league gets into the postseason. Has nothing to do with salaries.
If there’s any parity in the NFL, it’s a parity in mediocrity. There is only about a half a dozen decent teams. NFL is tough to watch this season.
Actually in the NBA at least 48% of all revenue has to go player payroll. That is in their CBA.
Parity in football? So what New England just finished and what Kansas City is now doing constitute parity? Or how bout the Detroit Lions whose 9-3 record is their best record through 12 games since 1963. Carolina Panthers still sitting on just 1 win. The NFL does not have parity, the team is only as good as it’s QB.
50% in the NFL.
NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed and players can get cut at any time. Average careers are fairly short…
The minimum percentage of total NFL revenue going to players is still 50%.
Baseball needs a salary floor.
And I’m all for that too
Royals fans are now in mourning. Othani will rue the day
Holy Moly Donut Shop. 700mil ?
Mmmmm that sounds good. I want a donut.
That’s just an asinine amount of money to spend on a single player who may never be able to pitch the same way ever again. Offense is not what the Dodgers need it’s pitching and I doubt that they’ll have the money to go after top caliber pitching now.
I doubt they will be able to sign Buehler after next year because of this!
Dont you realize they will recover alot of that in merchandise sales, tickets, commercials and marketing? They already planned for this.
Every team has someone who manages the tax burden and they got a team that operates the business side of things. Things must be really strong financially in LA…
Merchandise sales mostly goes to the players with about 12.5% split evenly between all teams.
Ticket sales in LA can’t go up much more. Certainly not enough to make a dent in his salary. Maybe a 5% bump, so lets say 200k more tickets sold.
Any money for commercials goes to the player, not the team.
Sponsorship money will undoubtedly go up, but $70 million worth? Nope.
Its an absolute certainty that he won’t pitch for 10% of the deal.
Zzzzzz we all knew it was gonna be the dodgers
wow
Boy, that’s a lot of money
Good for him, Dodgers should have paid for Corey Seager, Texas Rangers thank the Dodgers for getting him out of our division and paying 3 players worth of salary. Must be nice LOL
10 years 700 mill?
So what’s dodgers payroll look like the next 3-4 years?
This could go south real fast if he struggles to stay healthy pitching wise. He’s had 2 tjs already?
70 mill is a lot to pay a DH and at best relief pitcher if his arm doesn’t hold up.
No he has 2 ucl injuries 1 tommy John, and internal brace surgery because it wasn’t as serious also has a quicker recovery time.
Was internal brace surgery what he had recently back in September cause he’s expected to miss all 2024 pitching wise but able to hit and pitch in 2025 according to reports?
Yeah Brock purdy never missed a game, I believe it’s 6 months, but yea they probably won’t risk it maybe he comes out of the pen in the playoffs. It’s also what Rodgers had on his Achilles.
The article says much of the salary will be deferred. Probably like how the Reds did with Junior.
Thats fine and I’m not 100% sure but i think salary is based off aavs of contracts. So his 70 mill aav will count towards their salary and any tax penalties the have to pay
$246.7 not including arb raises
$254 million CBT for 2024.
If they sign Kershaw add about $20 million to that.
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Jays fans lmaoooooooo
I’m not a Jays fan, but if I were I’d have no problem with my team not commiting 700M to him.
1984
I don’t drink beer, but if I did . . .
I wasn’t even born yet but 1984 was a very depressing year for Cubs baseball.
Not cool laughing at Blue Jays fans, I’m sure most Dodger fans were down in the dumps yesterday, I know I was. I’m happy about the signing, but I feel like it was an overpay, I would rather have Sasaki at a lower price (if they were able to land him).
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahagagahahahahahahahahaha
There goes the Gondola
But will he be able to feed his family? He might need an extension like Harper.
I chortled
700 mil lol I love Ohtani but yes that’s ridiculous
Holy cripes, $700M. Wonder what that AAV means for the opt outs or lack thereof. What a risky investment but god that lineup is stacked.
They’ll still lose in the first round
Poor little Neon the troll
Dodgers had a good day
Just giving you the facts…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA…..
Remember goodvibes, elite pitching will always beat elite hitting. That lineup can still be silenced. And it’s not like Betts & Freeman are getting any younger.
Big contract, but the merch revenue stream will offset quite a fair amount of that.
There are no opt-outs.
NoHtani in Toronto, didn’t think Carry=on Asskiss could bring Him home…Let the dumpster diving begin …..
Another reason a salary cap is needed for baseball.
There will never be a baseball salary cap. Because people don’t even go to the games now because they say that they’re boring… All these Big market teams have to make all these gigantic moves in order for viewership
There technically is a soft cap and dodgers are still under so….
Dodgers are well over the CBT and in order to field a competitive team will be for the next 10 seasons.
In other news, Dodger ticket prices have tripled and Coors Light now costs $40 a pint.
They’re lowering their beer prices?
That’s got to be at least $20 mil per then any other player. That’s straight ridiculous and I’msoooo glad the Yanks weren’t involved.
Right ! His production will never warrant 70 mil w season
Its $27 million more than the $43 million Verlander and Scherzer are making.
Is that 700m USD or JPY?
700m USD and in contrast it is equivalent to 101,404,800,000.00 JPY.
It’s nice to know we won’t be winning a world series in the next decade.
I can’t wait until Friedman is finally gone.
Friedman isn’t the one okaying a $700M contract.
WHA–???
As a dbacks fan I’m so happy
Hey zack, as a Giants fan I’m so happy! Cheers!
As a Mariners fan I am beyond ecstatic! Ohtani is out of our division and out of our league altogether. Now I can admire him from afar.
I guess that 225 million a year in local TV money had to go to something.
Wow 700 million is an insane amount of money for a DH and a once a week pitcher.
LOLLLL i thought he wanted to win??
If there’s a team that can afford that it’s the Dodgers but holy moly that’s a lot of $$$ if he isn’t able to pitch at the same level again (although I have little doubt he could be a top tier outfielder).
Predicted this one. It was hard seeing him leave LA. Especially with the dodgers payroll it just made too much sense. The 6 didn’t stand a chance
Smoke and mirrors. And savvy work by his agent.
There was never another option.
1 of 1. Nobody else thought Ohtani was going to the Dodgers. Congratulations!
Not the Royals?
Yes but the Tigers signed Anthony Bemboom!
Dayum! 10yrs 700mil!
FTD!!!
It will be a bit harder to do so, but yes.
For that kind of money he better have a higher career war than babe Ruth otherwise it’s a huge overpay
They’re counting on a few good seasons and will eat the bad ones.
No team is eating 7 years/490 million worth of bad seasons. They better be all in and win multiple world series in the next few seasons to justify such a terrible contract.
Well that’s still not a good strategy only way this pays off is if he makes baseball as a must watch spectical like Michael Jordan did for the NBA in the 90s and he has to be in every commercial like Jordan was. If he is a 4 war player and the dodgers are eliminated in the 1st round then this will be viewed as a failure. And this puts Dave Roberts on the Hot seat if you don’t make the world series then you should be canned.
Atlanta Butt-Head
If the Dodgers sign a $300+ million deal to put all of their games on cable tv or pay per view in Japan, then it was a no-brainer
Dodgers don’t get that money. All international TV rights are owned by MLB who takes 20% off the top and the rest is split evenly by all 30 teams.
Well that’s anticlimactic.
Not surprised at the $700M at all.
Im good with it. It makes them even more hateable.
Love it Benny, I’m right there with you! Go Giants!!!!!
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As the poet Antonio Brown once said. That’s a whole lotta money.
Wowzers. Yamamoto just shot over $300 million for sure.
Yup, Yankees vs Mets and neither team wants to be out-bid. I can see either going totally stupid and offering something along the lines of 12/330. Interesting to see which bidder offers opt-out(s). That can be the difference.
Yamamoto’s price may have just gone down since the Dodgers are out of the running.
I doubt that his price goes down. It might not get to that $300 million, but I can see him getting $25 million AAV and 8-10 years.
He’s gonna make more than the entire A’s roster!
Boras is celebrating more than Ohtani.
So is California’s government who also just made bank
They’ve already figured out a way to waste their cut. California politicians are nothing if not consistently wasteful.
Does make me wonder what Soto will ask for next year.
Lol Soto gonna ask for Steinbrenner’s Florida home in addition to whatever they offer
$50MM+ AAV now I’m guessing with opt-outs.
14 years and somewhere around a $45 million AAV. About $625-640 million
Let the Cody Bellinger Sweepstakes begin
$700 MM? I love Ohtani but $70 MM a year is a huge overpay from a baseball ops perspective.
Rbase – there is a lot more to Ohtani’s value than what he does on the field.
An economist estimated that Ohtani’s world wide economic impact in 2022 was $337MM. Around $30-$40MM of that was direct to the Angels (through increased merchandise sales, ad revenue, and home game ticket sales).
And that was with the ANGELS who have almost zero international awareness. I’ll wager that the Dodgers will make even more $$.
Yeah i bet he brings in a lot of revenue too. That’s why i wrote the baseball ops perspective. It’s great for the Dodgers as a franchise too. Good for them
The issue that I have with this is that other free agents are gonna look at this and will ask for a lot more money (“Ohtani was just a glorified DH when he signed” – type arguments), so this speeds up the contract inflation even more and will inevitably force prices for seats/tv/… up faster.
Hoss, that impact was worldwide, not to the team that signs him. It also included his salary.
It was also wrong about things like merchandise sales. It said $7 million and Ohtani merchandise accounted for only $2.1 million in official MLB merchandise.
For the Dodgers it might add another $20-$25 million per season They don’t have the room to sell the number of tickets and sponsorships that the Angels did. The Angels said he was worth $30 million in additional revenue.
Any international TV money and all merchandise sales is split between all 30 teams.
I wonder how much more money Ohtani brings in for a team. I bet they just sold a bunch of season tickets for the Dodgers, plus more tickets bought when the Dodgers are in town for away games.
Most estimates I’ve seen is $30MM to $80MM. And that was with the Angels. I’m sure with the Dodgers (who already have an international fanbase) will make even more. So net-net, that $70mil is more like $30mil for a non-Ohtani player.
The Angels have said $30 million in 2022 and 2023. The Dodgers don’t have the ability to sell as many as the Angels because their attendance was already so high.
You assume that the Angels and Dodgers have the same revenue per attendee.
In 2023:
The Dodgers had 698,949 excess capacity, the Angels 1,038.258.
Average revenue per attendee (tickets, concessions) – Dodgers $48, Angels $20.
Not saying it will happen, but assuming both the Dodgers and Angels were at capacity every game:
Dodgers would generate an additional $33,549,522 of revenue
Angels would generate an additional $20,765,160
Difference $12,784,392
Point is that every additional ticket Ohtani sells the Dodgers generate $48 in revenue, more than any other team in MLB. And I’d bet that average will go up in 2024.
Angels average ticket cost was $48.32. Dodgers $51.50.
Crazy, I know.
That’s the average full price ticket purchased through the club or MLB’s site.. The data used on this page.is based on actual prices people paid, both through primary and secondary markets, and includes promotions. Plus, the average amount spent on concessions. Dodgers were the most expensive, Angels fourth least expensive.
moneygeek.com/living/analysis/cost-for-family-to-a…
That’s effin sick
Thank you Lord for getting Ohtani out of the AL West and furthermore out of the American League altogether!!! Okay now let’s watch some dominoes fall…
As a Dodgers fan, I’m just happy to know all the trolls and haters from yesterday are eating a big pile of stinky deuces today.
That may be true but that’s all the team is gonna be able to afford to eat after paying that Ridiculously high contract LOL Enjoy the 2 or 24 yearsOf good to okay productionBefore he falls off a cliff and can’t perform at the highest level from the injuries in Tom of John surgeries he’ll be continuing to get that’s going to destroy his arm I mean come on 2 Tommy John Surgeries already before he even signed a contract like that don’t UnderstandHow they can just offer an unbelievable contract like that without a blink of an eyeWho knows maybe there’s a lot of protections in it and a little back loadedDepending on performance and if you can pitch a certain amountI don’t know but good luck to you sir enjoy him While he laughed I’ll be Rooting for you guys Whenever my Tigers are not being competitive Or whatever LOL
Here’s $5. Buy a few periods, commas and other various forms of punctuation. You’re welcome.
*and various other forms
Your team is going to be eating Mt Rushmore piles of stink giving out that amount of money to one player. No player is worth that I’m sorry.
He can afford groceries with that kind of money… lol
Hell he can afford a full tank of gas in a truck with that money
Wooooooooow If that is true that is absolutely ridiculous unbelievably ridiculous I feel so sorry for the dodgers they felt like they had to go that crazy to sign him when No one even knows if he’ll even pitch again and if he does probably won’t be nearly as good as he was before the surgery W**** Dodgers pay in 700 million dollars for a guy who might only be good for another 2 or 3 seasons 4 tops After that He will probably start hitting 230 Watch I bet this upcoming season he ends up batting in the 240s With home runs and the teens maybe mid 20’s I’m telling you this is gonna be the worst contract in the history of baseball I hope they have A Bunch of clause in the contract That protects them a little bit like performance And certain amount of games played/pitched ect. Is a way I wish both the player and the team the best of luck in health in the future
How much is deferred?
That’s the 700 million dollar question. There’s no way the Dodgers aren’t deferring 200 million or more. My guess is 40 million for 10 years with 300 deferred. Then 10 million for 30 years on retirement. Any way you look at it, Othani is going to be rich AF for the rest of his life.
Doesn’t really matter. Its $70 million AAV.
Right. Deferrals don’t affect the CBT payroll calculation. Perhaps, if this was originally going to be $700M/8 or $700M/9, or something close otose, then stretching it to ten years would lower the CBT. Deferrals just help teams’ cashflow. I know players and agents like big numbers, but deferrals just lower the present value of contracts, meaning the team pays less adn the player gets less while the salary for CBT purposes is higher. If they really wanted to lessen the CBT calculation, then figure out the present value of $700M/10 with deferrals and use that significantly lower number as the contract value. Sure, it won’t be $700 million, but the player will effectively get the same amount while the team’s CBT hit would be a lot lower.
Dave Roberts disrespected Ohtani by leaking free agency information but he still signed with them because they offered the most money
He said they met with him and he was a priority. Everyone in the world knew that was going to happen. Not a big deal. Hey you got Verdugo. Don’t complain.
Yeah and Roberts knew exactly what he was doing when he opened his mouth
I’ve never seen an entire country get trolled like that lol! But 700m WTf??
Just ruined the sport! The salaries are already out of hand, this is ridiculous! Now what will Soto command? Very sad day for baseball
Ohtani deserves to get paid.
Ohtani on a playoff team is going to be entertaining, no doubt
Blue Jays fans drinking more than they usually do during the day right now
I honestly feel bad for you guys 🙁
Why? They avoided the biggest albatross contract in sports history. They can go sign 3 superstars for what the Dodgers just paid for Ohtani.
They got their hopes up about him. Tbh I don’t think that any Jays fans had that insane number in mind tho
Yeah I don’t think anyone expected it to reach 700 million. Almost unfathomable to pay one player that much money.
Right lol? That’s Scrooge McDuck bankroll
Won’t happen. The only reason Rogers was willing to shell out that much cash for Ohtani was marketing possibilities. That is why this hurts so much. It was Ohtani or bust and we busted.
Jaysfan,
Keep your head up homie. If it makes you feel better in Sports Talk Baseball for Sega I used to always pick the Jays in that game. What a lineup that was.
$700MM over 10 years is disgustingly high, but you gotta give him credit for becoming one of baseball’s most unique talents. Historic signing.
The all time overpay
Hahahaha Toronto!!!!
I think they’re probably happy after seeing that price tag for a DH.
Get Yamamoto and Lee now Zaidi! Now!
At this rate he could probably get Snell too
Pivot to pitching.
Lee has a lot of Padre ties, so not counting on him much either.
Dream on with Yamamoto. This Ohtani signing is one more wakeup call that no free agent views SF as anything more than a bidder to drive up the price so that they can sign where they really want to be.
I really wanted the Giants to sign him, but not for $700 million. That’s beyond insanity.
I thought the Dodgers and AF had more sense than this.
You don’t think the Dodger brass ran the numbers and determined that a deferred $700 million was feasible considering the revenues this is going to generate from international marketing and broadcasting? And I’m sure they thoroughly analyzed those medicals and came to the conclusion the risk of injury was worth it.
I really don’t give a petutty what they paid. I’m just stoked about watching the Dodgers in 2024 and beyond..
R O’Sunnyvalle,
I hear ya on the bean counters crunching the numbers on signing Ohtani. Ownership also probably thinks this gets them over the 4 mil. in attendance next season. However, if they don’t address the starting pitching and a corner outfielder this proves to me they don’t care about winning the World Series. They only care about being just competitive enough to make as much money as possible.
International broadcasting doesn’t go to the Dodgers. It belongs exclusively to MLB and is split between all 30 teams.
The Dodgers already have al 2024 sponsorships sold out. So that won’t help in 2024. Not sure what international marketing you are talking about. Merchandise sales are split between the manufacturer, MLB, and the MLBPA, and whatever comes in is split evenly by all 30 teams.
Deferrals don’t matter when the AAV is $70 million. That number guarantees that to compete, the Dodgers will have to go over the CBT threshold every season.
Here is the facts about the medicals. Of the 52 pitchers that have had 2 TJ or internal brace procedures, 2 have returned to put up a season with an ERA under 4.00 as a starter. One has pitched as a starter more than 3 seasons after the 2nd procedure, Nathan Eovaldi. Taillon will join that group in 2024.
The odds of Ohtani coming back to be the dominant pitcher he was or of pitching long term in the majors as a starter are rather slim.
You have been laying out the facts today.
Wow just wow I can’t believe I was actually right
Too bad he can’t pitch until 2025
Watch them lose in NLCS like always
I’m glad it’s the Dodgers…
$70 Million for the “Angels” portion of Albert Pujols career…and maybe he can pitch a little still in a year or so!
Pujols had none of the marketing appeal of Ohtani.
A guy who can’t (or won’t) speak English, has limited marketing appeal.
Which one are you talking about? Ohtani has massive world wide marketing appeal.
You can’t actually believe this.
The man is an economy unto himself.
He will likely mean $50M-plus to the LADs in added sponsorships/revenue streams, all by himself.
(And unlike Pujols, Ohtani is actually his stated age.)
He should have orchestrated a “Decision” show on ESPN. Come in wearing a Blue Jays cap, Change to a Yankees cap as he sits down, Adjust the mike and put on a Mets cap. Clear his throat and put on a Red Sox cap (jeering from audience).
Suddenly, Dave Roberts appears from behind the curtain with a Dodgers cap. Pure theater. Could have sold millions in advertising.
sickness. They still won’t win
He was always going to the Dodgers, glad he leveraged them for the cash!
What’s the likelihood that after 3 Tommy John surgeries he will be a great pitcher? Does this mean that if a player matches his offense numbers, he can go to arbitration and ask for $70 million per year? I don’t know if intangibles are figured in.
We all knew a year ago it was going to be the Dodgers. Stretching out the decision and floating the Toronto rumor makes it difficult for them to be charged with tampering. Not that Manfred has the stones to do anything like that
Ohtani is going to have a harder time winning an MVP in the National League going up against Acuña, Betts, Freeman, Harper and Olson
Or, if (and it’s a BIG if) Ohtani returns to pitching too:
All of those dudes will have a near-impossible time winning the NL MVP….
HF! They lost their minds! $30 beers next year at the game!
These contracts are discusting. The average person can barely get by. Atleast famous athletes get compensation for inflation
Jeff Passan reported it too, so it was definitely true.
Glad the Cubs didn’t bite at that price.
That rotation in 2025 is going to have three 2x elbow surgery survivors lol
Dodgers will spend more per season on Ohtani than Pirates will on entire 26-man roster. And not one person who is in a position to affect changing this reality will care to do so. Instead they’ll just tell us fans to grin and bear it.
Damn, I was SO EXCITED yesterday.
Feel empty now.
That contract amount is stupid. Having said that, he’s elite and the Dodgers lineup just got very scary, even if it’s top heavy. And if he ever does pitch again near the level he once was, that team is much, much better obviously.
God I hate the Dodgers and I’m starting to hate MLB. It’s a damn spend-a-thon where teams like the LAD, NYY and a few others control every star. They are distancing themselves from leagues like the NFL where the stars are scattered throughout rather than being on only 5-7 teams. This right here is EXACTLY why NFL is and probably will remain America’s favorite pastime!
Ohtani’s $70m AAV compared to the 2023 total payroll for the Pirates ($76m), Orioles ($71m), and A’s ($62m).
I thought Ohtani was going to hold any team that leaks anything against them? Nice empty threat Shohei. Dave Roberts literally did what your camp said not to & you signed with them anyway. It’s whatever, but don’t make stupid threats if you’re not going to follow through. Next 10 years Ohtani will have the following: division titles-10, World Series titles-ZERO!!
Money talks…
Ok Giants fan… sorry it didn’t work out for you.
At least it’s 10 division titles the Giants won’t be winning.
@BondsAway
Hahaha.
What was the leak, bitter Giants fan? That they had a meeting, and that they found Ohtani to be a good dude, and that Ohtani was their top priority?
Watching other teams dance for their supper was pathetic, especially considering not one thing Roberts said was remotely close to a “leak”…..
700 million… I am all for a free market but a world where a sports player get 70 mil a year is insane. Teachers get 50k a year. So do most first responders. I make 100k a year in medical research. Most doctors make 100k a year. I can understand sports and entertainment workers making 5 or 6 times more than the normal person but that’s just out if control bat crap crazy.
It’s disgusting at this point.
Bottom 4 team payrolls for 2023:
Pittsburgh, $73,277,500
Tampa Bay, $73,184,811
Baltimore, $60,722,300
Oakland, $56,895,000
[Insert This is Fine Dog]
What did the A’s spend 57 mil on ??
There ya go! Perfect fit! I say that as a Yankees fan too. Love the player and as a Brooklyn guy LAD was always kind ofva secondary team for me. Jersey incoming!
I guess there won’t be a luxury tax reset anytime soon. LOL.
Congrats to Ohtani. I personally think it’s an overpay, but only time will tell.
Not much – if anything – in this insane world shocks me anymore.
700 million shocks me.
10 years, $700 million is a $70 million cap hit each year. Can’t be lowered, even if in reality one year is $100 million, another is $1 million. Doesn’t make ANY sense mentioning the deferral helps them have more money to fill out the roster. Am I wrong? It’s by AAV, not the actual total, that affects the salary cap, correct?
It will lower payroll each year I’m not sure how the tax works but it better counts during the years since it’s a 10 year deal
My understanding is the AAV for luxury tax purposes is calculated using the actual present value of the deal, which with the significant deferrals mentioned sounds like is considerably less than $700 million.
AAV for CBT is simple. How much money total? How many years?
In this case its $70 million AAV.
Deferred money makes no difference in AAV for CBT.
Big overpay!
700 million for a glorified dh. Dodgers are a joke. Guy has 2 elbow surgeries before 30. Love him but he’s a greedy mercenary.
Why is he a merc? He may have wanted to go to the Dodgers anyway?
FORTUITY HAPPENS.
Was there ever really a doubt it would be the dodgers? Insane pay day. Congrats to him. Are the dodgers gonna be the new halos tho? Paying 3-4 guys so much they can’t pay anyone else?
Cleveland was runner up right?
Would you all stop with that cleveland stuff? It’s old. Grow up. This is about Ohtani and LAD. Let them have their moment because it’s the best one for awhile.
Thanks for the advice snowflake. A grown up would’ve just ignored my comment and carried on. The irony oozes throughout your self righteousness.
Good luck ever getting under luxury task threshold now. As a Dodger fan though, will be entertaining if he succeeds or doesn’t.
and that silent gasp you are hearing is Dave Roberts, who’s job has just been saved 🙂
Nobody read that Ohtani will be deferring most of this contract. This means that he will be paid later like Ken Griffey Jr and Bobby Bonilla. It also means he intends to give the Dodgers flexibility to move under the cap if they deem it necessary, which right now clearly they don’t. Smart move Ohtani
Don’t think the tax number can be deferred. It’s 70m on the tax line the next 19 years even if he is paid for 49 more years
OK, even if the tax number isn’t changed it affects actual payroll yearly. It’s not an albatross if it’s spread out in reality. If they paid the man 40 million next year and deferred 30 million even if the tax number is 70M that 30 million saved that year from deferment will go towards paying the tax they are over in reality.
They will still have a $70 million AAV for Ohtani towards the CBT. They will not be able to get under that threshold in 2024. In fact, if they sign Kershaw for the same money as last season they will be at $274 million in CBT payroll.
Holy Cow! Great for him and will blow up for the Dodgers!
This is not just a player contract. This is a business merger. Both sides are going to maximize the merchandizing and brand growth to unheard of levels. The Dodgers will now own the MLB merchandizing market in Japan as well as other markets around the world. The contract can’t be compared to any other contract. No other player has the same world wide appeal. Ohtani has much more in common with Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods than with Bryce Harper and Aaron Judge.
All merchandising is split between MLB and the MLBPA and that is split between all 30 teams.
It will help every team equally.
I thought the Dodgers needed pitching?
They still do, but their offseason is just getting going. Adding Ohtani to the fold will be very attractive to other FA’s.
Oops!
really… just not worth 700 or 70 per… maybe 45-50… but this is just stupid and absurd. I see 5-6 years if lucky actually pitching. 5-6 years competitive offense. paying all this money and in year 7, they’ll want to get out of this contract. 70 mil for a DH… just… wow. yes, I DO BELIEVE he will be great in LA for next 3-4 years… while Betts and Freeman are part of that lineup. but eventually that 70 is going to so badly handcuff this team.again, just my opinion
Boring – obvious – and generic. Let’s move on
For the Dodgers: Greatest move ever for the next two years, followed by 8 years of regret. Ohtani keeping his value and justifying a $70M cap hit is almost impossible.
JMO.
8 years? It will be 30 years of regret. They deferred the contract, Bobby Bonilla style. They’ll be paying Ohtani into his late 50s, and taking luxury tax hits off it too.
Like they care. They’re stacked with money and talent.
Hardly, had to defer payments because the league told them they were in too much debt.
Jim and Tammy Fay welcome you to the club.
700 million, daamn that’s a lot more than the projections. I feel like a bidding war ensued and Dodgers flexed hard.
Well, I knew my Cubbies weren’t getting him, so congratulations Dodgers fans enjoy a generational talent!
Only for a while, though.
Have fun with that contract Dodgers! LOL
Where are all the Dodgers fans from yesterday that claimed to be relieved and said it was an overpay when they thought he was signing with Toronto?
Right here and I am not happy. I wonder what is left to get starting pitching?
Apparently a lot of the money is deferred. The Dodgers will probably be paying Ohtani a ton of bucks for fifty years. Will be interesting to see how many good years they get from him.
As always money talked. I doubt that any other team got within $100 million of this offer. Well, at least L.A. will set an attendance record in 2024.
They will be selling Ohtani jerseys in Japan for 50 years
As a Dodgers fan, I already don’t like this contract. That’s a massive overpay.
go cheer for the Angels then
I’m sorry Jays fans. That sucks! Reporters playing with your emotions. You still have a great team and great country.
Leaving exactly 7 dollars for pitching. Unless of course they raise prices which they would never do. I guess I won’t be going to dodger Stadium anytime soon once again.
Everything you just said is made up and has no basis in fact
It’s called sarcasm.
John Stanton #selltheteam #boycottthemariners
every single team that tried to sign him should be grateful they didn’t.
Maybe they’ll give Bryce Harper a new deal too
Juan Soto is looking at $600 million now.
Juan Soto doesn’t have one tenth of the marketing value of Ohtani. Marketability drove this contract.
And he is going to get it. Because of his age he will get 14 years and he will get a minimum of Scherzer/Verlander money and likely $45 million AAV. That is well over $600 million.
I read that the Padres offered Soto 15/540 prior to trading him. That is a $36 million AAV and he wouldn’t sign for that. I think its a sign his agent is telling him he can get much more than that in free agency.
lol, glad it wasn’t us
Can he now afford to cook his sushi, lol
Hahahahaaha Bluejays got Duped
wow
Good luck braves
every now and then we’re reminded which team has the most money in MLB. We’ll see if this buys them a much coveted WS
DUMB!!!
LA still needs pitching and a decent 3B.
Muncy is fine at 3rd
But pitching is needed x2
No wonder Harper is asking for an extension
Bad for baseball. Stupid, even.
They just ruined the future of the sport, for sure.
Nah.
Blue Jays fans may not think it now but breathe a sigh of relief that you are not on the hook for that contract. That’s a missed dodged bullet.
This one’s for all the pr*cks that commented yesterday,”At least it’s not the Dodgers.” lol…LOLOLOLOLOLOL
No player is worth that…I’m sorry. This contract just ruined the sport. I’m getting Deshaun Watson vibes with this.
Why is the argument always the players don’t deserve that much money, but no one ever talks about the team not deserving to keep that much money for themselves and profit. The players are the one bringing in the fans and playing the game. The owners aren’t doing anything.
@UncommonSense Of course people talk about it—my claim is that we need a confiscatory tax rate on all income over $50 million, that no private money should be allowed in politics, that workers should control the means of production, and that all elections should feature only paper ballots.
Tens of millions of Americans agree with me, but do you think corporate media leads with this kind of thing?
As long as revenue keeps going up in MLB, players should keep making more.
Best guess is that the Jays were driving up the price to insane levels and he kept going back to the Dodgers saying, “can you beat this”. Finally the Jays said no mas and the Dodgers got him. At the very least, the Jays took his price to a point that will hurt the Dodgers in the long run.
In five years this contract will look like a bargain when everyone’s being paid 50 million a year. It’s the nature of the sport and the amount of revenue coming into it on a yearly basis. The players just want their fair share.
LMAO this contract is never going to look like a bargain.
In ten years the top 3-4 players will likely be getting deals around this amount of AAV. Most will still be getting far less.
At the same rate of salary inflation from the past 10 years, in 2033 the top salary in the game will be around $72 million.
Ohtani will still be one of the highest paid players in the game.
MLB games are already expensive for most fans, but these contracts are going to continue pushing tickets prices higher and higher, similar to the NBA. The sport will eventually suffer when attendance drops due to the inability to feasibly afford attending. As of now, a family of four will spend, on average, $200-250 per game (including parking). That’s not sustainable at current levels, so you can imagine how it will go when more of these absurd contracts are doled out.
enjoy paying $300 noise bleed tickets at dodger stadium per game
The Dodgers are living proof that the MLB needs to work on creating a competitive balance in the league. If you continue to let the teams like the Dodgers go out and throw endless amounts of money at attempting to buy championships, you will continue to watch small market teams flounder and struggle to bring in and hold fans. The luxury tax is a joke and does absolutely nothing.
1000% agree with you. MLB needs to do something to bring some balance. Used to be like that in the NHL with a few elite spending teams now the cap has made it possible for any team to ice a winning team. Way more fun for the fans. You need smart management to win as well. I think MLB Owners should do whatever it takes to have a salary cap in the next CBA – lockout or whatever for however long it takes.
There are some owners that don’t want the cap, the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, and Cubs for example would rather keep Pittsburgh, Tampa, and Oakland at a disadvantage….
It is a relief. Now we get to enjoy real offseason.
Dumbest contract in the history of MLB. YES, he may be the single greatest talent in MLB history……but he would have blown the field away at $500 million. After two TJ’s and going into his 30’s, who knows what happens if he takes the bump again. That’s roughly $430K PER GAME whether he plays or not, let that sink in.
Freakin Cali people destroyed the housing market here in Nashville and now they just destroyed it for MLB. Soto is going to want $600 mil now after he hits the same as Ohtani next year. UGH!
@YanksPhan42 Even with the pitching thrown in Ohtani has yet to beat Willie May’s six best seasons… once. Not once.
Booooooooooooooo
No surprise there.
I think its ridiculous and unfair if the Dodgers can defer salary and avoid paying massive luxury taxes on their crazy team payroll. Baseball is becoming a complete joke contract wise. No salary cap and teams can defer salary and avoid the only other supposed team payroll controls that was supposed to help provide a more competitive playing field.
that’s not how it works.
Per the article above “most of” Ohtani’s salary will be deferred, as suggested by Ohtani himself. The intent is so that the Dodgers can continue to spend and add talent while somewhat lowering the luxury tax hit.
Not how it works. $70M will count per season for 10 years against the cap.
I have no idea why writers who have covered MLB for a long, long time are putting that out there. The salary cap goes by AAV, so it’s $70M each year. Doesn’t fluctuate each year to open up more/less space.
Maybe, but it would be odd for the Dodgers not to spread the $700m out over 12, 13, 15 years, as many as they can get away with, unless there some as yet unrevealed advantage to sticking to 10 years.
Apparently is it based on the present value of the contract. Since a lot of money is deferred that lowers the present day value so the cap hit goes down. Someone already posted the part of the CBA that covers that.
Its based on AAV. Deferred money doesn’t factor into that at all. Article XXIII Section E of the CBA.
I don’t think it’s an overpay especially if a large part of it is deferred. If it’s some situation where they’ll be paying into the Ohtani Trust 12mm a year for thirty years after his playing days I think this will be seen as a minimal impact to the dodgers long term. Huge win for the team I hate the most with now four of my favorite guys to watch. I’m gonna be sick.
which four?
Freddy, Mookie, Shohei, and I’ve always been a fan of Smith too. The young arms are fun to watch even if they bulldoze the Giants here and there I just love good baseball.
Exactly what Ohtani did was ensure a paycheck until at least 65….Very very smart of him
Just in case he has to fall back on Social Security?
Farhan was just spotted at Costco loading up the cart with multiple bottles of hard alcohol.
HAHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!
Deferred payments? So he wants to be the Japanese (but more successful by far than) Bobby Bonilla?
We’re gonna need the LAD social media team to re-create the opening scene from “The Dark Knight” with Big Sho loading the duffel bags with cash going, “That’s a lot of money.” The Blue Jays GM can be the bank manager with the shotgun, “DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO YOU’RE STEALING FROM?”
teams may not beat it for 10 years like Arod’s but it will pull players along to 50 to 60 million. Soto will now get 12 years 600 million. Glad the Padres traded him.
Soto isn’t sniffing 600 million.
Soto will get 14 years and he will get as much or more then Verlander and Scherzer. That is over $600 million.
Whatever it takes
Without the deferrals, this would amount to $2.21 EVERY SECOND FOR 10 YEARS.
All I have to say is woah!!!
Absolutely insane. Sorry Jays fans. Was looking forward to seeing him in the AL East
Now that this is out of the way, let the rest of the chips fall into place!
Only in America …
Not really in soccer Messi has a $640 million contract. Some of those European soccer contracts get huge too….
Oh no…. those Jay fans were so excited only a day or 2 ago. That’s so sad.
Can’t wait for J.P. Hoornstra’s coverage of this.
Othani forgot to say: “and to the Blue Jays, thank you suckers!”
We all saw this coming. No surprise, but the Toronto reports fooled me and teased an entire nation.
He is about to sign with the Blue Jays then the Dodgers said $700M. How could he say no? I don’t feel bad for the Angels as they had their chance to win with him and couldn’t/wouldn’t put the pieces around him and Trout. Those deferred payments are going to make Bobby Bonilla’s annual payment look like chump change.
Ya know everyone rips the Mets for the Bobby Bonilla contract but Ken Griffey Jr still getting like 4 million a year from the Reds. I think a lot of these bigger contracts in the future will have deferred money.
only took four updates and tons of mis-information from this site to actually post the facts
plane to Toronto, my …
That’s a lot of money for a dH; even if you throw in a pitcher coming off TJS.
I must say that is f’ing funny. They apparently bid against themselves for him. $70 million AAV. They are guaranteed to be over the CBT as long as there is one.
And what happens if he can’t pitch?
Guess I should say WHEN he can’t pitch. Only 2 out of 52 players that have had a 2nd TJ have put up one season s a starter under 4.00 ERA, none have ever thrown more than 30 starts in a season, and none of them have pitched longer than 3 more seasons.
Both Eovaldi and Taillon have made 30 starts.
Why not make it $700mm over 30 years, so the AAV for the luxury tax is spread much further and Ohtani has a guaranteed (massive) income into his sixties.
They can always DFA him when he hits 40 and is useless. They’ll still be paying him, but he’d be free to sign elsewhere or just pretend he hasn’t “retired.”
Commissioner’s office would veto the s**t out of that.
MLB would never approve that
Neither would the MLBPA since it greatly deceases the present day value of the deal.
Buy American they said.
Boring
Totally. What an anti-climax. Everyone predicted he’d end up with the Dodgers.
Hard to believe anyone could live up to that number. For this contract to work out for the Dodgers, would they have to win 4 championships and a Ohtani become the best player of all time?
As an Angel fan, I wish the best for Ohtani and the worst for the Dodgers.
dodgers / angels “rivalry” is silly imo.
How old are you? What team are you a fan of?
If you were not an Angel fan living in LA in the sixties, you have no concept.
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Wrong 🙂
My dad is an Angel fan who grew up in the 60’s in OC/LA and still likes the Dodgers.
I’m a Dodger fan that roots for the Angels but against Moreno.
So I totally have a concept, and to assume otherwise is incorrect.
So, if I understand this…he’s worth twice what Judge got from Yanks? Yeah…no.
Ohtani is a great player that is true, but two Tommy John surgeries means he may never pitch again or if he does might not be near as effective. Many Braves fans were hoping he would sign with the Braves. I am grateful that the Braves did not overpay this much to get him.
Appears my prayer that the Dodgers would not get Ohtani has gone unanswered. It also seems that our pitching staff is going to stay decimated, for all time!
Here comes MORE japanese players – Dodgers will be signing Yoshinobu Yamamoto soon too and won’t be surprised if Lee comes too.
I wouldn’t be totally surprised, either.
And to think that the State of California is facing a 68 billion dollar deficit. $ won’t be worth anything by the time he gets his first check.
Good for him but there is no way he’s going to be worth that money. His pitching days are numbered and eventually everyone’s bat slows down. I remember Cardinals fans losing their minds when El Hombre left for Anaheim, two years later they were glad they didn’t pay him. Not many productive, everyday players at 38-40 years old.
Deferring even half of $70M it’s still $35 M a year. A 20 year deferment would be $17.5 M a year which blows Bobby Bonilla’s deferment out of the water.
The future looks rich for Shohei Ohtani.
Deferred means nothing. It’s a 70 million per year hit. Weird how fans fall for that deferred schtick. It’ll be forty years before a dh tops that aav.
Would love to know when the bidding ended and when the dodgers started bidding against themselves.
Nearly a billion dollars for (checks notes) a DH.
Should probably change the way this is worded if most of the contract is going to be deferred, ” Ohtani will receive an astounding $700MM over the next 10 years”
Shohei Ohtani is making more in one year than the entire payroll of the Oakland A’s and the Baltimore Orioles COMBINED!
Seager’s contract was already earned but it looks like a steal now.
Once again stupid contract by the Dodgers. Bad manager. Dodgers will not even win the World Series next year.
It’s a massive overpay , They’re guaranteed to be over the threshold for all ten years. They will regret this , 70 mil per year for a dh?
In an awkward way, some of that money was probably going to be used to try and keep Julio Urias.
One word: INSANITY
There is nobody on Gods green earth worth 700 million. Good luck Dodgers trying to offload that contract if Ohtani doesn’t stay healthy. A lot of money for a DH!
I never have been a supporter of this until now, but MLB needs a hard salary cap if this kind of nonsense is going to happen.
If I am Miguel Vargas, I’d wait for Ohtani to pay me for #17
Uhhhhh….Vargas is a minor leaguer. Can’t reserve a number for later on the big club.
So much for those who believe he wouldn’t even get $500MM.
AL pitchers can breath a little easier.
Insanely stupid. Having said that…jersey patch now 25+ million/year. Japanese broadcast rights 10+ million/year. Stadium naming rights 30 million/year.
Glad the circus is over… let’s move on..
Good for him. Well deserved. Shame he went to the evil Dodgers but can’t blame him for that money.
and meanwhile.. more than half the country are struggling putting food on the table and paying bills…
Reminds me of when Tex was {Maxwell Smart”} “this close” to signing with Boston when the Yankees swooped in. The Yankees were expected to sign but then there were rumblings about Boston. Much worse today due to Twitter and the overall Internet improved experience.
Same with Bernie Williams and the RS. He was going to sign until Ol’ George stepped in.
700 mill huh? He should wear #O
$70m a year for a DH
As a Giants fan, obviously I’m disappointed we didn’t get him. But for $70 million a year, we can go after 2-3 quality players. which will help even more than simply selling jerseys and season tickets.
Or 2-3 star players
Two $30 million AAV players, those are stars, and one $10 million AAV player.
So many “interesting” comments… it’s true LA has what appears to be unlimited money to spend on players, but they also are a really well run organization. As we’ve seen having tons of money does not guarantee championships so despite this signing other teams like Atlanta, Houston, Texas, etc. have an equal if not better chance to win it all. This Dodger-hating stuff is so tired and old.
Genuinely amusing.
Enjoy your 34 yo DH and #5 starter in 2028 giving you 85 innings —for just $70m per!!
—I’m sure he’ll outperform Yamamoto, Montgomery, and Candeleiro combined in 2024 for the same AAV.
And you don’t have to buy any of those guys until they’re 38!
The difference be tween the ~10 haves and the 20 have nots. Only the 10 can risk 70million per year on a guy coming off TJ. No guarantees that he will be effective as a pitcher when he comes back. Helleva lot to pay a DH for 10 years.
Crazy money for a guy who had TJ in 2018 and is out again for a year as a pitcher after another elbow procedure. And who only DHs.
I’d assume the Dodgers already know they can insure for a significant portion of the contract.
Even at 700MM over 10 years it would have been fun to see Ohtani in a Giant’s uniform.
Dodgers? Yeah, no shocker.
Blue Jays? Total shocker if it was true.
I wonder if I will see the first Billion dollar contract in my lifetime. $700 MM is insane. But I figured he’d get out of this world money.
It’s a bargain at 5000 G!
Transaction approved!
The fun starts from here!
Never fear, I’ll be here!
Great ball player but what a ridiculous contract!!! Two Tommy John surgeries later who knows if he will ever be the same. Baseball is becoming so out of control these days. Just ridiculous smh
it would be easier to just buy the world series trophy and call yourself championships
according to multiple reports, Ohtani’s deal with the Dodgers includes an “unprecedented” level of deferrals with some indications it is the majority of his salary. The deferrals are designed to ease the club’s luxury-tax hit and cash flow burdens to give the team the flexibility to build around Ohtani. The deferrals were reportedly Ohtani’s idea.
@jmaagio76 What the sides AGREED on was that it would be presented as “Ohtani’s idea.”
I mean… the Dodgers didn’t think of this? They’re a large corporation–it would have been part of their thinking in any contract. Especially this one.
No surprise here and as a selfish Mariners fan I am happy to see him out of the AL and in particular the AL West. Where do the Angels go from here? They should have some extra cash laying around now….
I’m just glad it wasn’t Cohen offering this contract. It’d be another Bobby Bonilla. How long will he pitch for?
3 years and 262 innings.
You heard it here first.
Angels fans, now you know how St. Louis Cardinals fans felt when Albert Pujols left for L.A. 😉
So I guess he really isn’t signing with the Mariners, he says sarcastically!!
This contact reminds me a bit of Patrick Mahomes’ contract with the KC Chiefs – as the years go by it’s gonna bite the team seriously in the pocketbook.
Shatkins duo now need to dust themselves off pull up their socks and go after 2-3 other solid players for the money they were offering Ohtani and build a better team. 1 player is not enough to win a World Series.
Ohtani is literally secretly laughing at the Dodgers for paying him that much. Suckers!
Deal in Claude’s “Unprecedented deferrals.” The new Bobby Bonilla joke! Bobby still has 12 more payments left. Then we will all start laughing about the Dodgers paying Shohei for decades
In Claude’s….smh….. includes……freakin spell check and me not proof reading…..
this is disgusting gluttony and greed, and an usher to the end of the great league!
Bah Humbug!
Just absurd…Sports teams have lost their minds, nobody is worth that money
$400.00 dodger dogs and beers
LMFAO!! Exactly. Parking -$100 or more
I think Dodger games are already the most expensive to attend of all 30 teams
So all of that Blue Jays stuff was just a smokescreen…
And I suppose the Dodgers won’t be resigning JD Martinez,lol.
Let me taste them tears Jays fans.
It is truly funny after reading all the Toronto fans comments yesterday. Ohtani made the right choice.
The Blue Jays got Arson Judged, but there are some things about missing out on him that aren’t so bad.
we always knew the devil was a man who was ranked as one of the best looking men in sports
Arte, I once told you in 2014 that Mr Autry would be proud of your stewardship of the team. That’s all over, you have decimated, alienated and have been treating your employees completely the opposite of before for a while now. Maybe that’s more Carpino, but he’s your dog and you didn’t control him.
The entire country of Japan just tossed all thier red Angels gear out the window. You’ve lost so much marketing and team value, and marketing was your specialty?
You blew the opportunity of a lifetime. We may never see a talent like him again, heck Shohei may never be the same player again as on the Angels. But he has cemented his legacy.
You had 6 years to do something.
This is on you since you supposedly have full control. You could have circumvented this.
No way free agents come here now either.
700 million is too much for a human being but we are talking about a unicorn here. The Dodgers will be fine, they just added an entire country, millions of fans.
Now that the sales pitch is over Arte and Perry, can you please end the misery and free Mr. Trout to Philly?….100%
Shohei going to our enemy Dodgers is your sign of complete failure, a rather significant one.
It’s time to sell Arte, the door has closed Sir.
Told y’all it wasn’t the Blue Jays
Living in Florida since 2013. Will Mike Trout change his mind abouut staying with the Angels?
No one is touching Trout’s contract with a 10ft pole until he proves he can stay healthy for a whole season
They still need pitching…..
The beauty of him signing with LA is he doesn’t have to move from Southern California this winter.
Cheap deal.
O’s in 7, 2024 WS. Bet.
How many MLB *teams* are worth $700M?
All of them.
not the athletics or the pirates
I hope Passan is getting a commission for his help in getting Ohtani the worst contract in sports history
This is an insane overpay. The guy isn’t worth 350 million in either of his respective positions. He’s purely a DH and his durability stinks as a pitcher. If his pitcher or DH equivalent hit the market next year nobody would pay 350 million for either. I think this has more to do with his brand than his output.
Glad the Ohtani b.s. is over. Now let’s see some other free agent signings and trades. I hope he does well personally but I hope the Dodgers miss out on the World Series every year of the ten year contract
Sounds to me like the Luxury Tax calculation needs to be revisited…
Congrats Dodgers, you just gave out the worst contract in all of sports!
Go watch the opening scene of the old Schwarzenegger movie, The 6th Day, to see what could happen with a contract like this. If Ohtani has a down year in 2024, expect some type of scandal to occur (ala Bauer or Wander) so the salary will not have to be paid.
I wonder if the Dodgers figured the eventual Bauer nine figure lawsuit into this decision.
I guarantee this will not happen.
They’re going to need dirt on him first. Besides Jung-ho Kang getting caught for drunk-driving in his native South Korea, I don’t recall an Asian player ever getting in any hot water. Dude is bigger than the rockstar Ichiro was and is fully aware to what he means to fans worldwide.
Finally!! Anyone with delusions he would sign anywhere other than the other LA team were just lying to themselves. Silly a$$ east missouri fans that thought they had a shot lol. Now the rest of the off-season can commence. Huge overpay IMO but it’s not my team or money so good for him. He can buy his own NPB team once he retires.
Congratulations to Dodgers fans. Although the salary could potentially cripple your franchise in a couple of years, you got the best player in baseball.
If I were a fan, I’d be celebrating.
MLB is just a sick, freaking joke. Ohtani is a total sellout (like I predicted). He used the little guys (Blue Jays) to drive up the price. The Dodgers and their entitled fans are so pathetic. They were so desperate for this guy, they leaked info and yet he still chose them. They acted like they “needed” and “deserved” Ohtani despite 10 division titles in 11 years and the deepest pockets in the sport. It’s a city of phonies and it’s funny they think their fans actually care that much. This is pathetic and worse than when they duped Freeman into signing there.
Surprised your keyboard works after all those tears!
poor, sad little Mickey
When did the Blue Jays become the little guys?
Well, Steve and David, your move. I’ll go grab some popcorn
This sucks as a jays fan. I didnt think he would actually sign until yesterday. And for tgose wondering on a 70M yearly income in canada you are taxed at 52.8%. In calafornia you are taxed at 50.5%. Take home pay of 32.5M in canada and 33M in California. He pays 1.6 to medicare qnd 9.4 to the state. Both pay the same federal tax and in canada you pay 14m to the province
He doesn’t even need to move though. At the beginning of FA I thought it was Dodgers 1A,Giants 1B, then Rangers and M’s(before their ownership tries to cry wolf regarding financing). It was going to be hard for an east coast team like the Yankees or Mets to get him to come, I think it would even be more difficult for the Jays.
I’m glad the Mariners didn’t sign Ohtani, this contract was all about greed and entitlement. In a time when most teams are losing their television rights and players are getting a fraction of this money. This was a drastic overpay and could end up ruining the game. He’s going to have to average 8 WAR/season over the next 10 years, just to break even on this deal. Fat chance for a guy that can’t crack 150 IP.
I wouldn’t give him $25M/season as a pitcher and definitely not 10 years. As a designated hitter, the most I’d pay is $30M/season for a player of his ability, but without a position, and as a pitcher with two TJ surgeries already, it would be hard to pay market rate for more than 6 or 7 years. Market rate, no discounts backing up the Brinks truck is $55M x 7 years or $385M.
Maybe you add a few million a season for roster flexibility (I’d personally consider it double risk, but I’ll pretend) then round up to $420M/7 years. Heck, make it $427, so it beats Trout’s record deal of $426.5M, just to make a point, Already that’s $61M/season for 7 years, and that would make it the highest average and largest total value contract in MLB history, by almost $20M/season more than any other player. Ever.
But wait, the Dodgers decide that’s not good enough, so they pay him $273M for the final 3 years of the deal ($91M/season). Sure there’s deferred money, but that’s a tax shelter for Ohtani and he can’t spend it, but he can borrow against it whenever he wants because it’s guaranteed. Sure they won’t actually be paying him more annually than in the first seven seasons, but it makes a point of how bad this contract will age.
Screw the Dodgers for paying $200M more than they needed to for him, I’d hate to live under the microscope for the next decade like Ohtani will have to day-to-day. I can’t imagine how he manages relationships with players who will always feel undervalued in comparison. How does Max Muncy beg for a $12M x 2 deal, as a guy who hits and fields, while Ohtani makes almost 6x and doesn’t play defense and pitches once a week?!
I would be surprised if players don’t get a chip on their shoulder and he doesn’t struggle to build meaningful relationships. Betts was worth as much value as him in 2023 and almost won the NL MVP himself. They just told Mookie, he’s only less than 1/2 as much as Ohtani. Betts had to sign a 12-year deal to get $365M. That’s a total slap in the face. I wouldn’t be happy even if I was a Dodgers fan.
I hope Ohtani is ready to be boo’d across all of baseball. Pay-Rod (Alex) was heckled when he go $252M and $300M, but the jeers for a $700M contract will be deafening, mark my words. The joking around he does with teammates will be gone, his best friends will be guys on other teams who don’t get reminded every day about the distance between them financially. But above all, screw Friedman for being a complete moron!
The difference is Ohtani’s marketability. There’s been calculations done that his yearly economic impact is over $330 million. Ohtani is a huge international star, casual baseball fans don’t even know who Max Muncy is…
Greed and entitlement? That surprises you? Its always about the money. Harper says show me more money right now!, Alonso DEMANDS money, Soon Acuna I think will make noise because he is signed for tiny money. He wont be booed. Sounds like you thought Seattle had a chance. They did not. Ohtani was always going to the Dodgers. The rest was just to make sure the price stays high.
I love your reply and your logic is sound, but he is considered to be worth $25 MM in marketing alone per year. Still, this is stupid. If I were Ohtani, I wouldn’t care and Scott Boras will want similar for Soto – who as you say – does play defense. Free agents are all salivating and small market teams and teams without huge tv contracts are now screwed.
Well said. My wife doesn’t know Mike Trout but she knows Ohtani.
Which Max Muncy?
lol..Marketability..ha..ha.. I am sorry, but at the end of the day he is a human being. There has been many Japanese stars that have played this game and baseball is not nearly as popular internationally as soccer. This is an insanely ridiculous contract and the Dodgers are going to regret this one..ha..ha.. As an Angel fan I can happily say, bye Shoehi because I remember the multiple times you chocked when it mattered most.
Bbbwwaaahhh!! Sure !!
Did you drink a lot of lead paint at some point in the early part of your life? This is the most absurd level of cope and seethe I’ve ever seen lmao.
@Thank_God_We_Aren’t_Angels: When Catfish Hunter signed as a free agent with the Yankees in 1974, he got $3.25 million for five years.
When Reggie Jackson signed with the Yankees in 1976, he got $3.5 million for five years.
When Marvin Miller and the players outmaneuvered MLB owners in arbitration and the courts to win the right to free agency and to negotiate their salaries, owners and the media cried about it and predicted the ruination of the game in short order.
You sound just like them nearly 50 years later, with the game’s revenues and franchise values having grown exponentially.
The game survived then and will survive now.
I agree, I personally don’t get all excited about another human being, no matter how famous they are. But you and I are not most of the world. People give up stupid amounts of money to show their fandom for famous people. Look at Taylor Swift just this last year, people were spending their entire paychecks just to sit in the nosebleeds at a concert. In countries like Korea and Japan, it is very common to go fan crazy over famous people. Why do you think these K-Pop bands are the most famous, revenue-generating musicians in the world? Baseball is the #1 sport in both Japan and Korea, you bet there’s going to be a lot of outside revenue.
It’s called a free market economy. Don’t be pissed because your owner isn’t willing to pony up.
I suppose it’s your neighbor’s fault that he drives a better car?
Blue Baron, the game is dead. Long live the business.
Lots of sour graping from disappointed people. I doubt that he demanded 700 million. He simply wanted to be a Dodger in the first place and that is what they happened to offer. What was Shohei supposed to do? Offer to play for free? Please.
Exactly
At least spell the guy’s name correctly.
Long as they spell it right on his checks.
More sour graping from a disgruntled fan that’s upset about other people’s spending habits.
The grieving process is hard. No one blames you for your words, take all the time you need.
What a stupid comment. You sound like some clown who roots for billionaire owners to line their pockets. Eat sand, clown. Supply and demand. Moron.
Sour grapes
This becomes the new top end benchmark. Now Bellinger may ask for Harper money? Judge is suddenly getting chump change? Harper wants a match because his hair products aren’t free you know. Trout wants to renegotiate. Teoscar Hernandez, 8 years/$250 mil? Giancarlo Stanton will feel dissed and demand more for when he actually, you know, plays. Next year Juan Soto will want one dollar more than Show-Hay. Adam Frazier, 5 years/122 mil.. Tom Murphy, 3 years/52 mil. And on it goes. The domino effect will be felt across baseball as we all will be asked to pay $25.00 for a Coors Light at the park. (but it’s 20 ounces instead of 16!) The parks will have an on-site loan officer to lend you some cash in case you’re hungry. But there will be family promotions, 4 tickets, parking, four dogs and sodas, how much? If you have to ask, you can’t afford it.
Nobody writes checks anymore, lol.
If having Ohtani helps the Dodgers and MLB earn more revenue, he deserves to get his share of it.
He and the other stars are the guys fans are paying to see, just like people pay to see Taylor Swift in concert or Eddie Murphy in a film.
It’s a rare talent with lucrative entertainment value. Plain and simple.
Soto by any object definition of defense does more to help his team by sitting on the bench as a DH, than he does standing like a scarecrow in a cornfield out in a corner, while the baseball goes flying ladt him to the warning track! I wouldn’t give Soto a $300M/10 year deal and I’m absolutely serious.
Soto is entering his prime and he’s a below-average runner, has bad baserunning instincts, literally is Jesse Winker in LF on his best days and shades of Raul Ibanez normally. The only thing he does is hit and if that goes away or his talent receeds, well, you saw what happened in 2022. Imagine when he’s older slower (Is this even possible? I think if you dangled a hot dog in front of Ty France’s face he could even beat Soto in a foot race!) , or gets injured?
As far asarketing goes, that’s great for a small market team, but it’s less valuable for a team like the Dodgers who can’t sell more tickets, merchandise, or other souvenirs. It’s like adding Ohtani to a team lile Oakland realistically doesn’t win thwm 8 more games, just because he’s worth 8 WAR, just like adding him to the Dodgers doesn’t make them 8 wins better because much of his production will come in blowouts or games that were already decided.
That’s even more reason why his best value is to a team like the Mariners who cn maximize his image in terms of tickets, merch, and souvenirs, while also gaining the most wins from his talent. But even they couldn’t justify that price tag, so neither should we.
Here’s the difference, markets aren’t unending blackholes. The reason it was like that in the 1970s and it has grown financially is because organized pro baseball was only a hundred years old, the country went through a massive depression recent enough most grandparents at the time could tell you all about it back then from the working class perspective, not the kid eating potato soup for lunch everyday.
Additionally, tv was only a couple decades old and they were still trying to figure out how to monetize this “new” technology. Finally, when those players (Catfish & Reggie) signed those deals, it was only a few years after players like Curt Flood stood up for the players because they were tired of getting paid like cashiers at a big box store while providing a unique skillset which could be marketed.
The difference now is the game has wrung every last penny that can be monitized out of the sport from MLB TV, privately held regional sports stations, advertising dollars, merchandise and souvenir sales, ticket sales, endorsements, and every other stupid thing to make money. Those things I just listed off are the differences over the last half-century as the popularity grew for baseball.
Now the popularity is waining and there’s no rocks to turn over and find new monitization methods to raise team profits. What you see is what we get and thinking there’s another tier for a game that is as global as it will ever be is foolishness. But hey, thanks for the history lesson. Just remember, when baseball fails to be profitable owners will close down shop before losing money for the love of the game.
Who says my neighbor does or doesn’t?! Stalk much?! I understand a free market, but just so you know ace, this isn’t an example of a free market. There’s labor unions, limited numbers of employers, and a screening process to join the ownership groups. It’s literally the furthest thing from a free market this side of Cuba. But hey, keep telling me what ypu don’t know from your pulpit of wisdom, as you sit surrounded by your Fruity Pebbles, USA Today Baseball Weekly, and marveling at the instinctual insights of Jon Morosi!
Yup, he looked across the city from his penthouse in Orange County dreaming of the day he could spend his days in the soggy used diaper that is Chavez Ravine!
I’m pretty sure they do direct deposit. It’d be really awkward cashing a $ 1 million dollar check wach week after taxes like the ones they give out at basketball games for hitting a half-court jumper!
The teller would be like, “what are you going to do with all this money?” To which Shohei leans in and whispers, “I can’t tell you and if you talk about it, I’ll hold it against you!” Then he straightens up smiles and says in his normal voice, “Now you have a nice day and I see you next week! Buh-bye!”
Wow, thanks for your impartial analysis of sour grapes in regards to Ohtani signing with the Dodgers Mr. Ummm, Err, Mrs.?! Marin Dodger!
Thank you so much for stepping up and being the unbiased voice of reason in the night shining through the dark and leading our ships of jealousy to awareness harbor!
Yeah, because Ohtani in Dodger Blue will increase ticket sales beyond 3.84 million, you know, the most sold in the league by like 600K tickets over MLBs 2nd highest selling team, the Yankees. Sure, there’s a lot of room to maximize the return on $70M/year when you already sellout every game and your jerseys are often the most bought in the country before Ohtani signed!
No, the difference is the deferred money, which should not be allowed. It ruins the game. Look how the Nationals have been fielding an AAA team since before Soto left, as a way to offset the money from deferred payments and bad contracts. It’s allowing rich teams to still get to draft and develop like a small market team while buying players in free agency that other teams can’t match the price to acquire.
In the next CBA, they need to pass a rule that any deferred money counts 150-200% against the current year salary cap in which the deferred payment is being paid. The adjusted rates would be determined based on the number of times and the extend of the deferments. Should Ohtani defer his contract 10 more years, what’ll be the cap then? $350M?!
This contract shows that revenue sharing is not quite equitable and more needs to be given by teams like the Dodgers, but teams should also be forced to spend 90% of their income annually on the team in order to eligible. No more pocketing $30-40 million annually by the Pirates. You’ll get the extra help, but you have to use it for the product on the field. You hear that John Stanton and Chris Larson? You two are poor excuses for owners and need to sell the team to someone with the passion to match the Mariners fans!
“MLB owners going bankrupt in rapid succession from paying players too much money” is a headline we will never see.
“In the next CBA, they need to pass a rule that deferred money counts 150-200% against the current year salary cap…”
First, there is no salary cap.
Second, no such rule needs to be passed unless both sides agree to it. That’s just your opinion.
Thank – I appreciate your post, but they are still finding new methods of monetization.
If you haven’t noticed, MLB is now heavily in bed with casinos and sports betting websites.
Sponsorship revenue continues to soar too. My team just agreed to wear an insurance company patch on their jerseys for $170M.
That’s what people here don’t understand, fans are paying these crazy salaries not just by buying tickets and merchandise but also paying higher prices for goods and services provided by corporations who pay heavily for advertising and for all those premium seats and luxury boxes at stadiums. All those businesses are just passing on their MLB-related expenses to consumers.
I’ll miss Shohei. He was incredible to watch him play his first 6 seasons for the Angels. Good luck, Superstar. Congratulations, Dodgers, you did the right thing.
Give it a rest. I read the article and nowhere does it reference that Shohei threatened anybody with a gun or would release pictures of Andrew Friedman being overly friendly with a flock of sheep unless he was offered 10 years / $700M. What the article does make clear is that there will deferred payments of the the $700M for years if not decades so it’s not like they’re gong to be paying him $70M a year for 10 years (and even if they were so what………it ain’t your money). Furthermore, the article also references that a substantial portion of the total contract value will be covered by revenue the Dodgers will realize via the marketing and merchandising of Shohei (gee, I wonder which MLB player will be responsible for the most jersey sales over the next few years? Hint: It won’t be yours).
Bottom line is the Dodgers offered and Ohtani accepted. That’s what happens when someone possesses a marketable talent that no one else has.
Jealous much?
@angelscamp: No need to miss him as if he did something to you personally. He’ll still be playing in your team’s market.
You can just watch him on a different channel and make a trip or two to Chavez Ravine.
Do casual fans need to know who Muncy is? He’s a power hitter with a low avg.
@Murphy NFLD
It is well off the mark to claim California is taxed at 50.5%
You’ve combined the top federal rate with the top CA rate to come up with the rate you did. CA top rate which includes a 1% tax for earnings above a million, is 13.3%.
Marginal tax rate in CA for incomes over 10M is 50.5%
Adding the federal top rate to the CA top rate is exactly the right way to compute the top marginal rate if you work in CA. What’s the problem?
He’s gotta pay the carbon tax. This is on Trudeau….
Athletes are taxed per state played so a quarter of Shohei’s annual salary is taxed for playing at home.
Not to stomp on your logic but he plays 81 games in L.A. County, 2 games in Orange County, 6 or 7 games in S.F. and S.D. each and potentially 3 more in Oakland, so nearly 2/3 of his salary is earned in California. Now, state taxes are filed with the stste in ehich you lived at least 180 days a year. Considering his home is in L.A., he’s a resident of Cali and franctions be damned.
Murphy – Even though the Jays are a divisional rival of my team, it would have been cool. It’s horrific that the a-hole Hoornstra made up a completely false report with absolutely no evidence or named sources of any kind. Clearly the a-hole Hoornstra wanted to bring attention to his website at any cost, and wanted to be “the first” to report Ohtani to the Jays in case it actually was going to happen.
I sincerely hope at the very least Tim bans all reports generated by the a-hole Hoornstra and doesn’t use his name or his website’s name ever again. A stand needs to be taken against this sort of thing.
It’s one thing to falsely report a team’s interest in acquiring a player, but it’s quite another to falsely report an agreement has taken place.
Hopefully those whose questions are actually answered in the chats will bring up this subject, as it absolutely needs to be addressed.
@FPG Has the a-hole Hoornstra issued an apology yet? At least Morosi humbled himself enough to do so. But this jagoff Hoornstra who knows. In regards to the chat; people can pose the question all they want but Tim can still disregard the whole brouhaha. But I’m thinking MLBTR will issue some sort of statement.
Ohtani, “ 私は金持ちの雌犬の息子です”
Ignorant – Morosi genuinely feels bad about making a mistake. The a-hole Hoornstra has shown no remorse because it wasn’t a mistake, it was a calculated attempt to be the first to report and get a bunch of attention.
As for Tim, he’s a standup guy who I believe will address the issue. Even though the MLBTR article was labeled as a report and not fact, I think MLBTR needs to be more selective with their sources.
It’s not a 70M yearly income. A lot of the money is deferred.
Japan did lose the war … it’s a fact
Tomorrow, half of Japan, including and 3rd grader with just 1 arm will be posted by every NPB owner hoping money a post8ng fee!
BREAKING NEWS: SHOHEI OHTANI WILL NOT BE SIGNING WITH THE BLUEJAYS, MAKING EVERYONE IN CANADIAN BACON LAND CRY…
*Cries in universal healthcare*
MLB will forever be a joke until they do something about teams dancing around the luxury tax with all these BS deferrals making the luxury tax basically meaningless.
I mean, the Dbacks just made the WS on a pretty small budget.
And the Marlins won 2 world series on an even smaller budget than Arizona. And after both as we all know, fire sale.
Crazy to think the Marlins won 2 WS in 6 years.
With a budget so low that Ohtani s new contract could’ve probably bought the team in 1998 after the first Fire sale.
The Marlins didn’t have low budgets the years they won the World Series.
This. They loaded up on star players on short term deals, then dumped everyone immediately thereafter.
They weren’t that high either. They were definitely less than the Dodgers or Yankees.
False. I smell a bitter Yankee fan. They were not the highest payroll team and they did not spend money like the Yankees and other big teams have back then and since. Furthermore spending money? How have the Mets been doing? Yankees? Have they won it all lately? LA Angels spend money?
I’m far from a Yankees fan. Cubs all day bro.
Well thats because they fleeced Atkins.
There is an easy solution to this nonsense.
0 to 10 mill above Threshhold….. lose 1st round pick in draft
10.o1 to 20 mill above threshold ….. lose 2nd and 3rd round pick in draft
20.01 to 30 mill above threshold …. lose 4th and 5th round draft picks
30.01 over threshold …… forfeit entire draft.
This helps fix competitive balance..
I do think that would be effective, yes. Fines are not deterrents to folks like Steve Cohen.
If an owner like Cohen wants to spend way above the threshhold, then that is his prerogative. This just provides some consequences if he chooses to do so and helps other team stay competitive.
Cohen pissed he didnt have a chance. Alonso demands 350 million right now!
Anything short of real revenue sharing is just a band-aid. Without teams like the Rockies and Marlins coming to town, the Dodgers don’t have a product to sell.
As much as I hate the NFL, their revenue sharing plan works. Every team has an equal chance to win.
Yes! Then every team would be the Miami Marlins!!! That would “fix” baseball!
CD
“Let me pull some numbers out of [nowhere]. Look how easy it is to solve the problem”.
Our éducation system is a damn joke
Filhok: You don’t think the fact that the Dodgers now pay 2 players on their Roster more money than the entire team payrolls of the Nationals, Royals, Marlins, Guardians, Reds, Pirates, Rays, Orioles and A’s is not a problem?
Cd
“Filhok: You don’t think the fact that the Dodgers now pay 2 players on their Roster more money than the entire team payrolls of the Nationals, Royals, Marlins, Guardians, Reds, Pirates, Rays, Orioles and A’s is not a problem?”
That has ZERO to do with this
““Let me pull some numbers out of [nowhere]. Look how easy it is to solve the problem”.”
Our education system is a damn joke.
CooperDooper: I agree wholeheartedly that this is a major problem. MLB should really do something about those teams you mentioned not spending to substantially improve their teams to be competitive – they should start by kicking the A’s owner out of the ownership group.
Yankee Clipper….. it s fine that we both root for teams that actually spend money (although in some cases not wisely)…. and yeah the A’s owner is another problem, but the other teams just don’t have the revenues the big Market teams have need a more balanced system to compete or they just become minor league systems for the Large Revenue teams.
So what is your solution…. do nothing.
I understand what you’re saying, but there is no external fix for this. Mandating limited payrolls doesn’t make teams who don’t spend more competitive. MLB shares 48% of total revenue already. In essence, punishing big markets has already demonstrated that it has no impact on smaller markets, despite money going directly to them for “competetive balance.” They simply pocket the extra money and still spend as little as possible. You can’t fix greed by punishing spenders.
So, Cooper, to clarify my suggestion and to answer your question, I think MLB has to regulate this by booting owners who don’t spend (A’s/Pirates, etc) in favor of the Cohens who do. In fact, I’m very confident that Cleveland fans would have a very different perspective on this had Steinbrenner been approved to buy that team, prior to his purchase of the Yankees. But, he was denied, so he pivoted to the Yanks.
There is no salary cap min or max. Therefore no such thing will happen.
@YC
“They simply pocket the extra money and still spend as little as possible.”
Do you have any facts to back that up? The NYY play in a market that is 7x larger than KC or MLW, and double or more most other teams. When you spread the money over the smallest 15 markets, I don’t think its as much as you believe it is. Basic team costs are likely similar in all markets. Stadium, upkeep, non team payroll, but at half to 1/7th of the revenue to support it. If anything, the tax thresholds allow the bigger markets to pay up to the max or even over it, claim they have spent what they could, and then pocket their extra profit.
Yes, there have been several articles written on the owners I mentioned (and others) pocketing the monies given to them for competitive balance. It’s literally the impetus for the mandatory spending clause in the new contract, which is a pre-requisite for those teams to continue receiving funds.
The smallest revenue in MLB is over $250 million according to Manfred. We know from the Braves and Blue Jays reported costs that all non MLB payroll related baseball operations (coaches, FO, scouts, minor league salaries) costs is around $20 million and all non-baseball operations costs (including stadiums, etc…) are around $130 million.
If we assume that all teams are near the same, maybe a little less in the case of teams that don’t draw as many fans as those two teams., we can safely say that teams like the A’s and Rays are pocketing tens of millions each season.
I may be off a million or two here or there, but this is pretty close.
$250+ million revenue
– $130 million non baseball operations expenses
– $20 million other baseball operations expenses
– payroll
= pre-tax profit
No. How many World series appearances does Ohtani have???
How many did Ted Williams have?
How about Ernie Banks?
I think this is a problem for the teams you just mentioned. If they cannot afford to be an MLB owner, then they should sell their teams.
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Outinleftfield
Touché
It’s definitely a problem for those teams. Their owners don’t want to pay market value in a free market.
None of those teams were going to sign Ohtani, even if he was going to get 200 million
Filihok… cry me a river tool… If you have nothing to contribute then STFU…. this is a discussion board.
Our education system is a damn joke.
Look…. I can copy and paste too.
Our Prison system is a joke as well…. they give inmates like you computer time?
Now back to your cell.
Cooper
Muted.
Filhok
Reported
I actually love this. There’s no real repercussions for teams going over the threshold. Granted, if someone wants to spend that much money, they’re free to do what they want.
@2183281,
There is repercussion in draft picks and international pool signing money allowance. Mets lost 10 spots in the next draft, actually 12. went from 7th overall pick, to 19th.
Steve Cohen has also said he doesn’t want to spend like drunken sailor. The team plan, the longer term plan is to build from within and have steady source of quality prospects. Penalties eat into that opportunity. Mets are also now in 95% tax penalty. So basically, every signing for the upcoming season is nearly double the cost of the contract.
Makes sense. I think the bigger problem is the lack of a spending floor. The small market teams will always have a tough time contending which I’m sure can be frustrating for those fan bases.
As of right now, free agency and the tax threshold isn’t broken, it’s just the nature of the game. It’s good for baseball to have the highest paid athlete of all time. Ohtani is a huge attraction for the game on and off the field. Only time will tell how his contract will fare.
Yep
@Eric
You’re missing the point. Doesn’t matter if they are paying $700 million over 700 years. On the CBT it’ll be $70 million per year for ten years. Regardless of however the Dodgers mortgage it.
I thought that as well. Ten year contract is 70 million a year against the luxury tax. I don’t know how they get around that.
This contract may end up costing the Dodgers close to a billion dollars. They are going to incur penalties for years to come.
More like a billion and a half.
I don’t see any way to get around it other than if they were willing to pay Ohtani more per year over a shorter period, say $600M over 8 or or $675M over 9 years, and they reduce the CBT hit by stretching it to $70 million per year over 10 years.. As far as CBT calculation, it doesn’t matter how the payments are spread out or how much money is deferred and for how long. It matters to the team and the player as it affects the present value of the money but it doesn’t change CBT calculation. Total payment divided by total years.
Imagine a Bonilla type of contract with this amount of money plus interest. Ok, It’ll stop dreaming.
Yes I am aware that the CBT still treats this as 70 million a year even with the deferrals. However, with all 700 million being reported as deferred, the dodgers can run the payroll up as high as they want because they won’t actually be paying that money anytime soon. The penalties incurred will mean next to nothing because between betts and ohtani they have roughly 80-90 mil a year that isn’t being paid out now
According to fangraphs, deferred money is treated differently. It’s possible that only 60 million will be applied to the cap.
I hate using the word only.
Yo mean Rob Manfred works the owners?
Deferrals do not change the luxury tax. 1o years, 700M means 70M a year in luxury tax.
Read Jeff Passan’s tweet. Sounds like the tax hit will be 40-50 million not 70 million
Read the CBA, the CBT threshold hit will be $70 million.
mlbplayers.com/cba
Read fangraphs. They estimate 60.
Filhok. After the reporting this weekend, you can believe anything you like.
News reports are always so accurate.
Go to Article XXIII, Section E of the CBA. Passan got it wrong. Ohtani’s contact adds $70 million to the Dodgers CBT payroll.
For those who don’t read fangraphs, few if any number crunch better.
If Ohtani is paid 300 million over the ten years and 10 million a year for 40 years after the contract is over, that equates to 60 million per year against the AAV.
Just for example.
They break it down the fangraphs. and they have a lot better math expertise than Passan. Than I’m sure about,
And it wasn’t a tweet, it was a mathematical breakdown. I don’t know it, they know it. And I doubt they have a writer that doesn’t know advanced calculus.
But Passan, who likely can’t pass a high school math class, knows.
Fangraphs estimated 400 million deferred.
Not to say I know, but I trust the people who actually crunch numbers for a living more than a baseball writer.
oilf
Hey, will you look at this
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/latest-on-luxury-tax-im…
You’re right. Fangraphs wrote an apology for their “accounting” error. They got it down to 43 million with 400 deferral.
If I was as incompetent as the press has been over the last 48 hours, I’d have lawsuits against me coming out of my ears.
But the press can screw up with no ramifications. I’m sorry for trusting them as a source.
There shouldn’t be a luxury tax. A team should be free to spend whatever they want. Just because some owners won’t, it shouldn’t mean that those that want, can’t.
Deferred money doesn’t matter for the CBT. This contract will add $70 million to the Dodgers CBT payroll.
One would think Corey Seager is more valuable right now than Ohtani.
as far as dollars to production – absolutely.
For about that same $700 million, my Rangers have Seager, Semien, deGrom, and Eovaldi.
Wow. Pretty impressive that an owner of a MLB team is on here.
Ohtani is an incredible talent but I agree with you in terms of what is possible when spending 700 million. I am grateful that Ohtani chose to move to the Dodgers at this cost. I am actually relieved. That type of money would have crippled the Angel’s for another decade. I don’t care how you spin it, 700 million is 700 million.
You are only looking at from an on field production standpoint. Ohtani has been the most marketable player in the game the last few seasons, he alone averaged roughly $27M annually in endorsement $. Plus countless $ the Angels brought in and the increase in value it brought across all revenue streams. Bit to mention the revenue from Asian markets.
Yes from just an in game production standpoint, Seager provides more value per $1. However MLB is and always will be a business and that business is the game. And from an all encompassing standpoint Ohtani is far more valuable than Seager.
I don’t know. I drove almost five hours just to see Degrom pitch.
Bingo, Tigers!
Nobody thinks that.
Boooooooooo!!!! Lol
Dodgers spend and my Padres are aren’t. Never been more disappointed and frustrated to be a Padres fan. Seidler has passed and instantly they jettison Soto and hide behind ‘we can’t compete with the Dosgers’. Never more in my life have I loathed growing up a San Diego sports fan. Grateful to grow up here but almost ashamed to call myself a San Diegan.
I only lived in San Diego five years (1979-84), but this lifelong Tigers fan became a Padres fan during that time. I attended several games, usually buying a $2 bleachers ticket and sitting in the $5.50 box seats. (Nobody checked.) Ted Leitner was a great sportscaster, practically just starting out then. Dick Williams, Terry Kennedy, Kevin McReynolds, Carmelo Martinez, Greg Nettles, Gary Templeton, Allan Wiggins, Steve Garvey, Eric Show, Dave Dravecky, Goose Gossage, Bruce Bochy. And who could forget Kurt Bevaqua? Then I moved back to Michigan just in time for the 1984 World Series and was probably the only man in Metro Detroit sorry to see the Padres lose.
@towinagain
You clearly have some great narcotics in SD.
Narcotics? Help makes sense my man, of your assertion. As an A’s fan you should be the last to talk. Your owner absolutely turned his back on die hard fan base. Decimated payroll l, gut the team and moved it to Vegas. The A’s are an organization I hope the Padres never mirror.
@towinagain
Dead right. I’d like to feed John Fisher face first into a cement mixer. I’m disappointed for SD that Peter Siedler passed away, because as am owner he lived the dream.
So my point (narcs wise) is that you don’t need to compete with the Dodgers on $70 million a year contracts. Soto was bad enough already. Hit likes a dream, runs and fields like a clown.
If anything, this only highlights the disparity gap between teams. Realistically not many teams could even dream of paying that to Ohtani. The gap is forever expanding. It’ll just push the league to do something about it sooner. It’s kind of ridiculous, and I’m a fan of a larger market team.
@towinagain,
Don’t fret too much. You can grieve the trade of Soto, it will take a while but you’ll move on, it will get easier.. Your Padres will be OK. Your team tried really hard to win it all and invested heavily in quality players to do so. You reached the postseason. You have star players even without Soto,. and Padres are still a good team. Facing them as Mets fan I knew it would be a battle. And know it still will be. I don’t take the Padres lightly. You’re still a playoff contender. Dodgers are still the Dodgers. It’s like Mets fans having to deal with the Braves the perrenial champ in the NL East
BTW, Soto was on the blocks prior to Seidler’s unexpected passing.
Kudos @LongTimeFan1 I heart the Mets as you said we are in similar situations and really similar over all. Thanks my friend!
for context the 1997 Florida Marlins won the World Series with a payroll of around 66 million, and Gary Sheffield signed the “biggest contract in history” during that season… it was 6 years 60 million… at least 5 teams in MLB currently have payrolls under 70 million….
Salary Cap Time!
Notices team logo. Checks out.
Salary cap without a salary floor is just an enormous gift to the billionaire owners. If they couldn’t easily afford to spend hundreds of millions on superstars they simply wouldn’t.
Yes yes, owners, players, neither of them should be the point. The fans. What makes the game better? Stop making this owners vs players.
mlb has the best parity of the major sports without having a salary cap. Despite the insane prices, Free agency is just a supplementary way to add to the roster. Look at the best Athletics teams of the last 20 years = built from within.
The beauty of baseball is there are multiple ways to put winning teams on the field. The Dodgers are not the problem with MLB; the A’s as currently run are.
Hal Steinbrenner was advocating for a salary cap and floor recently. The owners want it. That should tell us all we need to know.
For the teams with all the money, like the Dodgers, they don’t have to worry about the years after your players leave their teams due to not being able to afford the contracts. The Dodgers can just pay and replenish. Smaller market teams can win but it comes in cycles for them because they have to draft and trade and try to get lucky with homegrown players. So, yes, there are multiliple ways to win but it definitely is not fair to smaller market teams.
Of course the owners want a cap! In any other profession the owners all getting together and agreeing to suppress salaries is illegal. They call it collusion. An opportunity to legally engage in illegal labor practices would be the owner’s dream scenario. Right now the only thing Milwaukee has to offer a FA is more money. In a cap situation players would be even more inclined to sign with large market teams with more chances for endorsements and other off field opportunities. It also leads to the NBA super teams that skew all the talent to just a few teams.
You got it Rob. The As are the biggest problem with MLB today.
A salary cap is just something owners would like fans to believe leads to competitive balance, when in actuality it’s little more than a tool used to limit player’s earnings. Do you really think Oakland would spend more because other clubs were capped? Lol.
Salary caps are garbage. The cap is the thing I hate most about the NFL.
Technology and revenue streams have drastically changed in the 25+ years since then. Look at the values of Apple and Amazon over that time frame. It would stand to reason big entertainment would also have big increases.
can you show me the TV contract thats 11x the price it was in 1997?
Well there’s streaming services, tv contracts, internet marketing, web sites such as this one, increased product sales from online, decrease in staff from technology, and that’s just tip of the ice burg. It’s probably way more then 11x.
Nice guess, but no facts to support your Guess. I sincerely doubt the tv revenue in KC or MN has changed as much as NY or LA. I also doubt Broadcast rights will be going up with Diamond sports going bankrupt. No streaming service is going to have the viewership cable tv had before people cut the cord. Many won’t be watching anymore. Less viewers and smaller payment per viewer means less revenue, not more.
Did you hear the interview with Boras at the Winter Meetings. He said that the Padres TV revenue didn’t go down after DSG defaulted. That goes along with everything that has been said by Padres fans on this site the last month.
Theresa tons of facts and obviously baseball has them and uses them. Revenues are obviously not down and saying they are is just ignorant. More ways to watch is more viewers and not less.
Congratulations Dodgers fans!!!
And congratulations Yankees fans as Ohtani is not playing for a team in their division.
If Ohtani is an MVP hitter and Cy Young pitcher I think he is definitely deserving of being the highest paid player. Plus the fans he draws. Yeah Congrats to the Dodgers.
Yes! Congrats Dodgers fans! I really wanted him for my Jays, regardless of the contract. That is only money, that the team can now worry about. The fans get to watch Ohtani play.
@YBC A rare good sport full of well-wishes & kindness. Nice to see +1.
The Dodgers have been saving up for this moment. The extra millions Shohei generates for the Dodgers will pay off this contract in 5 years.
If they don’t win, it’s going to be a fail of epic proportions. There’s plenty to lose. If the dodgers fail to win, you won’t be able to give away tickets.
70000 for the bet? Oddly obscure number choice, but that’s not important, What would I bidding against or for?
Oh, I got you, but this is predicated on the chance (slim) that they actually lose to fulfill these conditions.
At any rate, most baseball games aren’t sellouts, so there’s plenty of open seats throughout the year…
I’m just not sure this can be defined. My main point being that there’s plenty of ways this deal blows up on them.
Disagree, either way I would never take a bet with someone on a chat forum. But I’ll gladly say what I said, if they lose, it could blow up in the teams face. This isn’t hard to see.
How many games did the dodgers sell out this year? Do you have the answer to that, how about people who got tickets for free that didn’t go to the game? How would one even know that?
@YBC
Beautifully understated as always!
Congratulations Dodgers, Dodger fans, Ohtani!
Another offseason, another signing that’s bad for baseball. All this move does is guarantee more bad teams will stay bad. Meanwhile, the few teams that continually spend money when they clearly don’t need to will have monopoly on playoff baseball for decades. It’s gross.
That’s not entirely true. If your team follows my three step process, your team can have success in this new age of team management.
Yeah you actually want the stars in marquee markets playing for marquee teams
Are you serious? This is great for baseball, having the highest-paid athlete in any sport. Maybe it’ll shut up the baseball-is-dying crowd, at least for a day or two. Of course it’s bad for all you jealous fans who wish you were the superstar pulling in the millions. No matter the size of the contract, whether it’s Corbin Carroll and Jackson Chourio getting paid at the start of their careers, or Ohtani getting this mega-deal, you guys will be here crying about it.
It’s also great that the game’s greatest player, a true unicorn, might now actually appear in the postseason and will be in a better position to market the game, even if it’s indirectly.
Rob – Do you even realize the EXACT same thing was being said about Trout just a few years ago.
Odds are Ohtani will NEVER live up to the contract, not even close. But we can’t make predictions about the Dodgers until we know how much more they will spend.
Because the Dodgers are not the Angels. Because Andrew Friedman is not Perry Minasian. And because Mark Walter is most certainly not Artie Moreno.
I get your point, but this is a very different situation. With deferrals, I doubt this doesn’t pay off for the Dodgers both on the field and financially on the business front. We’ll have to see how they structured the deal, but these are pretty smart people all around.
Rob – I like Ohtani a lot, as a player and a person, so I do hope it works out as the Dodgers planned.
But man, there’s a LOT of red flags on Ohtani’s pitching career. Maybe he’s a better outfielder than we all realize, that would certainly help justify some of the contract.
But if Ohtani is basically a DH only for the next decade, that will definitely turn his contract into the worst in sports history. I am really, really shocked the Dodgers didn’t work any IP or PGS clauses into the contract. They’ve opened themself up to a whole lotta risk.
Rob,
The Angel’s are riddled with issues and the Dodgers certainly look like the poster board franchise but it is very evident that while Ohtani ‘s bat will make a difference how will he help to address the Dodgers immediate need for pitching? The Dodgers urgency should be pitching. Not tomorrow but now. Another issue is Roberts. Seriously, the Dodgers should have collected at least a couple of rings in the last 5 years but Roberts can’t seem to get out of the way. It will be interesting to see what the Dodgers do next. Are they getting a pitcher for this year? Financially things will work themselves out but unless the Dodgers get a pitcher or 2 for this year this move doesn’t translate into a world series for this year and perhaps not even the following year… nothing in terms of player health is guaranteed.
@Fever, can’t and don’t disagree, but I suspect they factored all that into their equations. I will say that I found the way the Angels built their roster around Ohtani to not be ideal. A full-time DH leaves no flexibility for roster rotation and resting other players. A six=man rotation is challenging as sub-optimal arms get more innings. We won’t see how the Dodgers will handle this fully until 2025. The Dodgers, as much as any team, have shown the ability to snap in rotation pieces, manage player workloads, etc. They’re the opposite of the Angels.
@ChiSox, I see JR has you brainwashed.
No ill will in my comment. I hope one day your team has an owner committed to winning.
Dodgers just gave the rest of the NL West a solid chance for the next decade.
This contract is crippling. It’s twice what other teams are paying superstars AAV wise. Unless they are willing to go over the cap and pay hundreds of millions in tax no way is this doable.
Ohtani deal with Dodgers, per source, includes “unprecedented” deferrals – the majority of his salary. The deferrals were Ohtani’s idea to ease the Dodgers’ luxury-tax and cash flow burdens to give the team the flexibility needs to be as competitive as possible, the source said.
Doesn’t work that way, Carl.
I doesn’t matter about deferrals. Its $70 million AAV for CBT calculations. Unless the owners are going to agree to no CBT in the next CBA, the Dodgers will be over every single year for the next decade.
They seem to pass “Ohtani rules” of late so it wouldn’t surprise me if they make changes to accommodate this
I wish they would. AAV is such a dumb way to do it.
They can’t during this CBA. The Dodgers are stuck with a $70 million AAV valuation through 2026.
Gardyparty AAV is the only way to do it. If the AAV rules didn’t exist you can’t even imagine the way contracts would be written to skirt the rules.
You might have a gambling problem
oilf
Hey, will you look at this
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/latest-on-luxury-tax-im…
Ohtani probably wanted the deferals to spead the income for tax purposes.
Pujols gave the Angels deferrals, how’d that work out for them?? So instead of paying big money on him now, they will pay it on him when he is a league average hitter at 36 37 and they have no money to get any other talent, plus all the other benefits of going over the luxury tax like losing top draft picks.
There’s a difference between back loading a contract and deferring payments. The Pujols contract was back loaded where most of the salary came in the last years of the contract. This one has payments deferred well after the contract ends.
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“So instead of paying big money on him now, they will pay it on him when he is a league average hitter at 36 37 and they have no money to get any other talent, plus all the other benefits of going over the luxury tax like losing top draft picks.”
1) did you say this after they signed Betts? How about Freeman? Will you learn from your mistakes or not?
2) the Dodgers will almost certainly have money
3) you seem to be forgetting that paying him less now gives them more money to improve the team now. Everything is a trade off
Got it!! So a Bobby Bonilla type of deal?
Braindead
Can someone explain when the luxury tax rules changed? It was always AAV of contracts but this article and several tweets talk about his deferrals lowering the hit. So how is that possible? Wouldnt every team now do this to skirt the system.
CBT is based on AAV.
Nope. It changed in the last CBA. Deferred years counts, so If the $700m contract was $1m this year and $699 in 2029, there would be only $1m to go against the luxury threshold for 2024 and $699m would go in 2029 and 0 for every year in between.
No it didn’t. Here is the link. mlbplayers.com/cba
This is a $70 million hit to the Dodgers CBT number in 2024 and each of trhe next 9 seasons. .
MLB.com states “A team’s Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player’s contract on the 40-man roster, plus any additional player benefits. “
So $70 million AAV for Ohtani
hofnc
“Nope. It changed in the last CBA. Deferred years counts”
This is correct
“If the $700m contract was $1m this year and $699 in 2029, there would be only $1m to go against the luxury threshold for 2024”
This is very much not correct. It is based on present value
This is wrong. See my answer to your LAST incorrect post.
Its $70 milloin AAV towards Dodgers CBT number for the next 10 years.
Lets get this settled once and for all. Deferred money does not matter for CBT purposes. Ohtani will count $70 million each season for the next 10 seasons towards the Dodgers CBT numbers.
mlbplayers.com/cba
ARTICLE XXIII—Competitive Balance Tax ……………… page 115
Section E is the relevant section of that Article in this case
E. Determination of Salary The determination of a Player’s Salary for a particular Contract Year for the purposes of interpretation and application of this Article XXIII only shall be in accordance with the following rules.
(1) General Rule “Salary” shall mean the value of the total compensation (cash or otherwise) paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract, including any guarantee by the Club of payments by third parties, for a particular championship season. Salary shall include, without limitation, the value of non-cash compensation such as the provision of personal translators, personal massage therapists, and airfare and tickets exceeding normal Club allotments. Consistent with the rules set out below, all compensation paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be attributable to the Contract Year(s) in which the Player is required under the Contract to render services to a Club as a baseball player, regardless of how the compensation is characterized under the Contract.
(2) Average Annual Value of Guaranteed Multi-Year Contracts A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1) championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual Value” (“AAV”) of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by operation of Section E(4) below). The AAV shall be calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guaranteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c) any deferred compensation or annuity compensation costs attributed to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(6) below shall be divided by the number of Guaranteed Years. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if a Multi-Year Contract is signed after Opening Day of the championship season, the: (i) Base Salary in the first Guaranteed Year for purposes of the AAV calculation shall be determined by multiplying that Base Salary by a fraction, the numerator of which shall be the number of championship season days that the Player was paid the Base Salary, and the denominator shall be the number of championship season days in that championship season; and (ii) the first Guaranteed Year shall not be considered a full Guaranteed Year for purposes of the AAV calculation, but shall be considered a partial year equal to the fraction described in subsection (i) above.
(3) Signing Bonuses Any Signing Bonus in a Uniform Player’s Contract (and any other payment this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) shall be attributed, pro rata, over the Guaranteed Years of the Contract. If a Contract contains no Guaranteed Years, the Signing Bonus shall be attributed in full to the first year of the Contract.
(4) Performance, Award and Other Bonuses (a) Any amounts that are actually earned by a Player as Performance Bonuses, Award Bonuses or any other bonuses properly included in a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be included as part of the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year in which the service or performance giving rise to the Bonus was provided. Potential bonuses shall not be included in the AAV calculation made pursuant to Section E(2) above. (b) A Special Covenant in a Uniform Player’s Contract that provides that Player performance or achievement in one year of the Contract will increase the Base Salary in other year(s) of the Contract shall not be considered in the determination of Salary until the triggering event occurs (other than, if applicable, as a “potential bonus”), unless it is determined by the Arbitration Panel that the Special Covenant was designed to defeat or circumvent the intention of the Parties as reflected in this Article XXIII. As long as such a finding is not made, the additional Base Salary triggered by the Special Covenant shall count as part of the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year(s) to which it is attributed by the Contract once the triggering event has occurred. Multi-Year Contracts shall not be recalculated on an AAV basis once the triggering event has occurred; the additional Base Salary shall be added to the Salary as originally calculated for the Contract Year in question.
From MLB CBT FAQ
“A team’s Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player’s contract on the 40-man roster, plus any additional player benefits. Every team’s final CBT figure is calculated at the end of each season.”
mlb.com/glossary/transactions/competitive-balance-…
What matters is the total amount paid to the player divided by the number of years of the contract. For Ohtani that is $700 million total and 10 years for an AAV of $70 million.
I can read. Apparently you can’t. You are quoting the wrong section. One that has nothing to do with CBT.
ARTICLE XXIII is about the CBT and Section E is who salaries are calculated for the CBT.
Deferrals don’t matter and it even says so in that section.
Oh man. I can’t do posts like that from my phone. You posted the entire section of the CBA that governs CBT salary calculations. Even people too lazy to click on the link to the CBA can’t argue about that. Bam!
Both mookie betts and Freddie freeman have deferrals in their contracts and their cbt hit is less than their aav. Look it up
Fili won’t admit they are wrong no matter what facts you bring to the table. Just mute him and move on.
The Dodgers will have a $70 million hit to their CBT payroll from 2024 through 2033. That much we know for sure. If there are incentives above and beyond the $700 million, it could be more.
Actually outinleftfield is wrong. Jeff Passan posted a tweet after my comment talking all about the luxury tax and CBT. Some are estimating that Ohtani’s hit might only be in the 40 million range.
Oilf
Wrong
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/latest-on-luxury-tax-im…
Oilf
Settled?
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/latest-on-luxury-tax-im…
oilf
No. It’s not
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/latest-on-luxury-tax-im…
Yanks
Look at what teams are doing. They are using deferrals to lower AAV
Deferrals don’t lower the AAV for CBT purposes.
Yes
They do
He can read the CBA while you obviously missed the whole part about how salaries are calculated for the CBT. Try reading his post.
Passan says otherwise.
x.com/JeffPassan/status/1733617544471216149?s=20
What matters more, Passan or the actual CBA? In this case, Passan is wrong. If the contract is for $700 million over 10 years, then the deferrals don’t matter one bit in terms of CBT payroll. Its $70 million for 10 seasons.
In terms of real payroll, what the Dodgers have out of pocket in any given year, yes. in terms of the CBT payroll, not a bit.
OILF, Filihok will never admit he is wrong, even when you have shown it to him in black and white from the only reliable source, the CBA.
You have shown him the legal definitions. He has shown you the opinion of Passan and MLBTR writers,
But to Filihok, his opinion is all that matters.
$700 million, 10 years, 2 TJ’s… what could go wrong?
This immediately became the worst contract in MLB.
That is one reason as to why I never would have signed him
Dodgers have oodles of money, but this contract is ridiculous
“You ahhh caaarect Sir!”
One tommy John, and the doctor that did surgery both times on his ucl is the dodgers lead surgeon also the one that was Rodgers doctor I’m sure they have the medicals on the desk
He does everyone’s TJs
Medicals are famously unreliable. He could be hit by a bus tomorrow. Anything can happen.
Where’s the list of two-time TJ pitchers that weren’t able to come back.
30 of the 52 that have returned never pitched as a starter again. We will have a few extra return in 2024.
Am I correct that Ohtani and Mookie’s contracts combined are worth about the same as the Miami Marlins franchise valuation?
It’s the A’s entire roster for the next 20 yrs in 1 contract. Wtf?
Yes the As are a disgrace
The Dodgers field a World Series favorite every year and the A’s have been spending peanuts to be uncompetitive, and are now moving to a new city as one final FU to their fans.
Which team is the one that’s the villain here?
Yes. You hit the nail on the head.
Ohtani making almost 2x as much as Mookie, 1 1/2 years difference in ages
I bet Shatkins duo are saying “whoa!, we were way off the mark with our offer!” No tears for this Jays fan. Simply because of the ridiculous amount of money Ohtani signed for I’ve honestly lost a lot of respect for him not only as a player but a human being in general. Look at what is going on in the world Shohei! Shame on you for your greed and gluttony!
Shady don’t act like you wouldn’t have taken the 700 million, come on.
Waiting to hear that the Dodgers weren’t the highest offer. Won’t be able to prove it and it will make him look less like the greediest person on the planet. Don’t believe it when it happens.
I think that’s more about making you feel better that the Dodgers weren’t the only team dumb enough to pay him that much money.
What if he does a lot of good with that money?
He’s a 2-way player. He gets paid as an elite pitcher and hitter. It is unprecedented, but so is he.
350m for each position. But it’s definitely a high risk high reward. Ohtani is more likely to be healthy in 2024 cause he won’t be pitching.
Lol
A bit harsh. Ohtani is a very decent human being and I doubt he plans to deck himself out in gold chains and ridiculous haircuts while he rides around in a gold limo. He is far more likely to do something like supporting youth baseball in Japan.
This has nothing to do with Ohtani, I say good for him for getting the Dodgers to be the biggest suckers in baseball..ha.
I’m confused, too. It’s based on AAV, not actual paid money. The can Bobby Bonilla it all they want, still a $70M hit to the cap each year for 10 years. Can’t circumvent that math to get “extra” space to sign other players.
What cap?
Luxury tax. When people say there isn’t a cap they’re stupid. If the Mets want a pitcher for 1yr 20 mil it will cost them 40 million.
Luxury “cap”. They could have a payroll of a billion as yes, there’s no actual cap. But certainly paying a huge tax for anything over the tiers. We all know there’s a cap for all teams they’re willing to spend, and luxury tax plays a impactful role in that.
yea I still don’t quite understand how this works, either.
Right just like the Scherzer nationals contract.
I am of the understanding deferred money takes money away from the cap hit with regards to the luxury tax. It was switched in the last CBA.
If 10/100 is a 10 hit to the cap for ten years, then paying the same 10/100, but deferring 10 of it for two years lowers the hit over those ten years. It’s not raw numbers anymore. It’s basically, luxury tax wise 12/100. That’s why you defer money. Betts has a ton of deferred money too.
Nope, it is strictly AAV.
mlbplayers.com/cba
I suspect that Ohtani was planning to sign with the Dodgers all along for somewhere in the $500MM range, then the Rogers-led Blue Jays approved a $700MM deal to blow away the competition, but Ohtani really wanted to the Dodgers, and the Dodgers really wanted Ohtani, so the two sides structured a deal that works for both. Be curious to see the specifics of the deferred money, which generally works in favor of the club.
I always thought it was Dodgers or bust.
His interpreter bought a house in Long Beach a month ago, it was probably always between the dodgers and angels. Arte has a hard time going over the first tax.
I thought for sure he was staying with the Angels. Amateur GM hour on my part. Congrats Blue. And happy to see him out of the AL.
It’s pretty wild to see all this speculation about how the deal came to be by people who probably only a few days ago were saying Dave Roberts cost the Dodgers their shot at Ohtani because… Ohtani demanded secrecy about any and all negotiations.
We have no idea what other clubs offered as of yet. We don’t even know the exact financials of the offer he took, other than years, total money, and that a lot of it is deferred.
Maybe someone can clear this up for me. I understand the deferrals frees up some operational money in the present, but for luxury tax purposes isn’t it effectively counted as 70 million per year for ten years?
Yes, it’s the AAV of the contract. We still don’t know how the deal will be structured though… incentives maybe?
When you’re getting $70MM per year, you should be giving money back for not winning MVP/Cy Young every year.
I know changes in the most recent CBA impacted the AAV when a player is traded, but I don’t believe it touched deferred money. Future money is counted as a lower rate since the purchasing power decreases yearly. The AAV of the deal will be less than $70MM per. How much lower will depend on how much was deferred and how far out the deferrals go.
Interesting, i thought it always was based on total value and the contract length, regardless of deferrals… you must be right though- no way any team can operate effectively w a $70m cap hit every year
And they apparently aree in on Yamamoto who is going to get $350 million plus for 10 yrs so Dodgers will become first team in mlb to spend $1 billion! If Im all the owners i sell fast abd get out as the salaries are out of hand going to bankrupt the system at some point
MA, you were right. Deferred money is not taken into account at all in CBT calculations. Its total contract value divided by number of years. In this case, the AAV is $70 million per season for the Dodgers CBT number.
Anthony
“salaries are out of hand going to bankrupt the system at some point”
Duck!
Whew! The sky just missed you
oilf
“MA, you were right. Deferred money is not taken into account at all in CBT calculations. Its total contract value divided by number of years. In this case, the AAV is $70 million per season for the Dodgers CBT number.”
This is not correct
Quit saying it
Why do you think you know more about this than Jeff Passan?
The CBA clearly states that the base salary uses present value to determine the AAV
In the CBA it doesn’t matter how much money is deferred. Its the total dollars divided by number of years of the contract that determines the AAV.
In this case, the Dodgers have a $70 million AAV hit to their CBT calculations for one player.
All the deferred money does is save the Dodgers money on the total 2024 dollar value of the contract. A dollar won’t be worth the same in 15 or 20 years.
Deferrals don’t change anything in relation to the CBT. as per MLB
“A team’s Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player’s contract on the 40-man roster, plus any additional player benefits. “
Quite a bit of dough.
Even Cristiano Ronaldo would have to work 3½ years for that kind of money.
Absurd
Unless they are banking on merch sales they overpaid by 30 mil. Good luck Blue.
30 mil is a drop in the bucket when we’re talking $700,000,000
Historic moment, can’t believe we finally got him. GO DODGERS
Go Dodgers….. Really! Do you need to buy yourself a world championship? This is why baseball needs a salary cap. Teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, and a few others can just go out and sign any free agent they want. While small market teams have to feel the wrath of large market teams like the Dodgers stealing their players when they become free agents. Teams like the Dodgers don’t even need to have a minor league team when they can just go out and spend as much money as they want when free agency hits. So I will say it once again…. Go Dodgers……Really! Does it feel that good to win a World Series when you know your team has a huge advantage over 60% of the other teams in the league? It makes me so happy when I see large market teams get eliminated from the playoffs. They didn’t earn their way there, they bought their way there. Baseball needs a salary cap today! Otherwise baseball will always be about the haves and the haves not!
How were the Angels a small market? I know its Anaheim, but they call themselves Los Angeles.
The Angels are one of the top revenue teams. Higher than the Braves or Blue Jays and we know those two teams had revenue of $576 and $530 million respectively in 2023.
Sum1 needs a hug … n a new tm 2root 4, hop on board brother we got room. Yes, Go Dodgers !
Texas and Arizona World Series…can’t buy World Series.
You guys need to give it up already. He doesn’t buy ANYTHING for the Dodgers. That’s why we play the games. That’s how it goes EVERY YEAR. We play the games first, not afterwards.
How will they spin losing to the DBacks next year? And the next?
Messi didn’t get 650 million when he renewed with Barcelona, in that span of time to begin with, the largest contract in sports up to now was Cristiano Ronaldo’s 500 million euros for 2 and a half seasons with the plus of those 500 millions being net.
Last time Messi renewed his contract with Barça he got 40 million net per season, around 80 million in gross.
nbcsports.com/soccer/news/report-messi-barcelona-a….
Bro I live in Europe and soccer is actually my fav sport, and even Barcelona came out because when those reports came out they were (still are struggling financially) because of the contracts they were giving folks like Messi ( the most benefited player in sports history).
Messi for playing soccer just got 80 million euros gross per year with the Spanish tax system he just got 40 million net, actually in Europe soccer deals are negotiated in the net earnings.
While Ronaldo’s contract with Al-Nassr is 200 million euros net per season… so he doesn’t have to pay any taxes out of it…
Read the article. I really don’t care what your opinion is or where you live when the facts are in black and white.
So… who’s going to pay the new beer & hot dog prices? Idiots.
TJ
“So… who’s going to pay the new beer & hot dog prices? Idiots.”
Who thinks teams charge less than they think they can charge for beer and hotdogs until they sign a player to a huge contact. Idiots
Idk they lead the majors in attendance almost every year, so some morons have
Yes and as we all know, beer and hot dogs are very cheap in places where the team has a lower payroll. I mean just look at Seattle who raised ticket prices and concessions then CUT payroll. Idiots indeed my friend.
I was wondering how they were going to come up with 700m….just charge more for beer and hotdogs.
This is a business move that helps the baseball team. He will bring in way more to not only the Dodgers, but also MLB.
The average MLBTR commentator doesn’t have the four brain cells required to figure that out, unfortunately.
Related, agents for Mookie Betts and Aaron Judge have revealed their clients’ desire to remain with their teams for their entire careers, and are open to extensions.
Ronald Acuna was last seen angrily chasing his agent down the street.
Loot of money for a guy who was shelled in Yankee stadium.
Somewhere, Ted Lerner is looking down smiling, seeing all this money in deferrals.
Sheesh almost up to a billion dollars for ball players now
@Kmk it’s not just for a ball player. Large contracts like these are for the face of a franchise and establishing brand recognition as well. In the case of Ohtani it also brings in massive revenue from Asian markets.
Like these? No contact like this exists in baseball.
Baseball is a sport that is always trying to push salary levels higher. I think it’s going to be quite some time before any MLB player breaks the $700 million barrier. A unicorn contract for a unicorn player.
70 mil per season is insanity and will cause a steep rise in other baseball contracts.
People say that profit sharing helps keep the game fair, but if the top 5 teams start spending like this, it doesn’t matter. The gap will increase and not stop until there is a cap.
Tiger – You’re not thinking this through.
First of all, the Dodgers core fanbase is geographically speaking basically the same as the Angels core fanbase. I’m guessing most of the Angels fans who have Ohtani jerseys will continue wearing them. If you think every $200 Ohtani Angels jersey will get thrown out and replaced by a Dodgers Ohtani jersey, you’re wrong.
Secondly, the Dodgers already HAVE a face for their franchise – his name is Mookie. So you wouldn’t be somehow creating new Dodgers fans because of Ohtani’s face, you’d simply be shifting some of the fans from Mookie to Ohtani.
Yes, SoCal has the largest Japanese population in North America. I mentioned that as recently as last week. But with the Dodgers already drawing the highest attendance in MLB (3.8M this year) there’s not THAT much room for growth in ticket sales.
Quite honestly because so much of the contract is being deferred, I wouldn’t be surprised if the team is sold in 6-8 years.
@FPG When it comes to Angels/Dodgers fanbases being the same, don’t forget that cheap a$$ Arte Moreno cut the Spanish speaking broadcasts of all Angel games which alienated Spanish-speaking and Latino baseball fans down there. I would say for this demographic group the Dodgers are overwhelmingly the #1 team. Also it seems like the folks who show up for Anaheim lean heavily tourist…Trout & Ohtani were just two more ‘special attractions’ to see when the family has shot their wad at Disneyland.
One of the reasons why I always cheer for the small market teams to do well in the playoffs is because I can’t stand the owners who throw a blank check at a player just because they can.
No, the Angels and Dodgers do NOT have the same fan base geographically. The Dodgers draw ALL over the country and have for decades. They are far and away more popular than the Angels not only in Southern California but also on the road. Always have been…always will be.
@Fever what impact would the deferred $ have in 6-8 years? Per MLBPS contract all deferred $ most have principal funded at time of deferral. So any $ deferred from year 1 per the contract most have principal that is anticipated to accrue to amount due at payment time during year 1, year 2 same, and so on.
And the cost to go to the ballpark. It’s become too expensive for my family and I. As long as media, merchandise and seats are affordable to the average Joe I guess it’s sustainable? I wonder where the tipping point is? To your point Fan1, when clubs can routinely blow through the luxury cap and afford it? Where does it stop?
Yes EP. I am a Los Angeles native and have been a Dodger fan since their Brooklyn days. Can you imagine my shock and amazement when the team suddenly decided to move into my neighborhood? At the time, I had no inkling that it was in the works. All I knew was that I liked this team even though it was 3000 miles away. There must be thousands of kids across the globe who feel the same to this day. Millions now if you count Japan.
@Tigers3232,
I’m pretty sure everyone knows who the Dodgers are!
2 mil a season
Yes but contracts like these hamper as much as help large market teams in the out years. The Yankees–and for that matter Giants and Red Sox–have spent many years under the yoke of a few free agent signings too many.
I think Tiger is entirely correct. You’re kidding yourself if you’re thinking that the Dodgers’ audience overlaps with the Angels crowd. Would you say the same for Yankees/Mets or Giants/A’s (RIP Oakland A’s)? Not likely. The Dodgers are by far and large, the bigger draw of the two, and that will automatically position them in a better position for all sorts of outside income from foreign streaming, broadcasting, advertising, merchandising, etc. It was estimated that the Angels made around $20M per year from outside rights, and those estimates have more than doubled now that he’s with the Dodgers.
Granted, the size of the deferrals are daunting, but in the end, it’s just money. Provided that the TV rights don’t go down the tubes, this shouldn’t impact their ability to field a competitive team after the term of the contract ends. It’s just another cost of doing business. Besides, who’s to say that once the term of his contract ends, that the $680M left in the contract doesn’t turn into an ownership interest in the team?
And if you’re correct about the team selling, I’d say that it would be an impediment to any sales to have that hanging over a team so it wouldn’t benefit them in the long term to just up and sell in 10 years.
Yup I said the same thing $300 mill away from a Billion .. he could prob buy the TB rays or the Royals or Baltimore…
Hopefully, he buys the Tigers. Unlike, the Illiches , he might be interested in winning more than taking my money….
Don’t forget to factor in inflation.
He is not the average ball player he is probably the greatest ball player to ever live and he brings in record revenue from 2 countries
It’s not TJ surgery.
Ucl is the injury. Tommy John is the type of surgery. Also the doctor that did both surgeries is the dodgers lead surgeon I’m sure they know everything.
Tommy John surgery isn’t the only corrective elbow surgery for a torn UCL, although it’s the most common by far.
It’s the most serious one, but trying to inform people it’s different. Any this is his doctors bio so you guys realize he’s one of the top doctors also on the dodgers payroll
ElAttrache graduated from the University of Notre Dame in 1981 and completed a medical degree in 1985 from the University of Pittsburgh.[1]
Some of ElAttrache’s patients include Aaron Rodgers, Kobe Bryant,[4] Tom Brady, Shohei Ohtani,[5] Zack Greinke, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlize Theron and Ringo Starr.[1]
He is also the Los Angeles Rams and Los Angeles Dodgers’ team physician.[3]
Its an “elbow realignment” officially – but equally as serious and comes with the same recovery time.
Its likely just semantics to save face.
It’s internal brace surgery, I’m sure there’s different ways. If you look it up it says 6 months, I agree they will be cautious, but the doctor is on the payroll.
It’s in a different area. It’s not TJ surgery. It’s inaccurate to call it TJ surgery. It’s a completely different surgery.
The comment was inaccurate. Period. If he knew what he was talking about, he would not have said two TJ surgeries.
Who is the one trying to save face?
Trevor story had that surgery
Whatever the operation is named it is still scary and now it’s hugely important it works cleanly. At least for the Dodgers and Ohtani’s sake.
I’m glad it wasn’t the Yankees and sad it wasn’t anyone else in the AL East. I really do hope he is able to pitch again at a high level. Congrats Dodgers and your fans.
He won’t pitch in 2024, so it may as well be.
That is an important distinction. He had one TJ and then a repair “to reinforce the healthy ligament in place while adding viable tissue for the longevity of the elbow”. That all checks out. The point of having two elbow surgeries to the pitching elbow of a $700 million dollar player is irrelevant if one of those surgeries is not called TJ. Thank you for making the comment section excellent!
Lark, that is true. But that isn’t what was written. The fact that we are talking about this is the point.
@ lark the doctor that did both surgeries is on the staff so apparently the dodgers aren’t worried about it.
I don’t care if they are or aren’t. I’m a Yankees fan, so I’m not one of these that will complain about the contract or cry that it isn’t fair. Furthermore, I don’t care what the Dodgers do with their money. Either way, they weren’t going to give any to me!! It feels like correcting posters about the technicalities of what the second ligament surgery on his pitching elbow is called is silly. I’m pretty sure that he is not expecting to pitch next season. So the fact that he had ligament surgery for the second time on his pitching elbow and will not pitch next season is more the point than what they call the procedure.
It took Ohtani two years to recover from TJ. This is a much shorter recovery time.
He may be ready to pitch this year. It’s not impossible. But he likely will pitch in 2025. I’m no Dodger fan. But it’s significantly different.
He’s unlikely to be ineffective for two years. Not TJ. Not as serious.
The doctor cant talk about any patients care to anyone without violating HIPAA laws. He could lose his license.
I found it. Do you want me to post it.
Hey Rex – Happy Sunday! Post that if you can. I haven’t seen it either.
postguam.com/sports/nation/shohei-ohtani-undergoes…
I did. It UCL was repaired. TJ is a replacement No ligament was harvested.
Ohtani can utilize another TJ if necessary. Prognosis after a second TJ is not nearly as promising, but he has that in the bank if he needs to go with it.
Thanks Rex. The dude I heard on MLB Channel refer to it as his 2nd TJ was as accurate as Morosi.
It’s because that was the only option at one time. I trust the doctors that gave him a tommy John surgery in 2018 saying. It didn’t require one. I was just informing people that were saying he has 2, and he won’t pitch again that they were wrong also plenty of examples that prove that otherwise. Just enjoy ohtani because he’s a once in a lifetime player, and it sucks he left the angels
ESPN reported as a high bred or modified TJ. It was surgery on the ligament in his pitching elbow that will keep him from pitching for a whole season. It doesn’t really matter what it is called!!!
I’m going off what the doctor said. ESPN said ohtani was a blue jay
Lax, it really does. Your body only has so many spare parts. TJ takes one of those spare parts to use in your elbow.
Two TJs, the odds are against you. You typically don’t get a third. Having one TJs vs 2 is a big deal in just about every way.
I give up, the only reason why it doesn’t matter is because he realizes he was wrong.
I was truly embarrassed when I posted erroneous information that I got from fangraphs. Sometimes you have to man up.
I have no idea how the repair is going to go, but he has another TJ in reserve. We know 18 months to two years for TJ. The first one Ohtani took a full two+ years.
We don’t know about this procedure. But the odds of a third TJ going well are about zero.
It’s a big difference.
I agree, this surgery is a bandaid to prevent tommy John not sure if it works, but he has another life, and you can get tommy John with a brace which will more than likely be the next option if it doesn’t hold up. Worse case scenario he pitches 5 years of the deal not including time away. It’s not bad for baseball because players will try, but no one will touch his deal Aaron judge is the cap.
That’s crazy money, overpaid by 200 million
Thankfully the Dodgers ownership group does not care and since I root my team not ownership profit margins, why would any fan care?
Any fan that understands that they are the ones paying these guys should care.
The fans are paying either way. The Dodgers were not deciding to give Ohtani $700 million or cut ticket prices by $700 million. It was either pay a player or put a fourth story on their yacht. You weren’t about to get any of it.
You will when he fizzles in 3 to 4 years and ownership refuses to sign any decent talent because they owe Shoehi 80 to 90 million that year.
I won’t care!
Or when they owe him 70 million, except so much of it is deferred so it’s even less they actually have to pay.
Unreal, just unreal. How many times have major league organizations sold for less than this one contract?
I just can’t see any players’ actual on the field production truly justifying such a contract. Perhaps he will be the first.
southi
“How many times have major league organizations sold for less than this one contract?”
Apples to Oranges.
And why MLBTR needs to talk about things like present value.
The present value of this deal is way below $700 million.
When teams sell, that’s the present value of future income streams.
If you’re disappointed your team didn’t sign Ohtani, look back at this contract in about 4 years. He has no positional versatility as a fielder and if he needs 1 more TJ or shoulder surgery, he won’t be able to play more than 100 innings as a pitcher. Dodgers will be lucky if he’ll be a full time DH for 130 games on avg a year and become their full-time closer for the majority of this contract. No way he maintains a starter work load as well bats in more than 1300 games in 10 years
By the time the Dodgers are done paying out this deal, I predict Ohtani will be hated by all Dodgers fans.. And I mean hated, like he screwed the franchise hated.
Doubt it. He wins one WS and he’s loved forever. Odds will be in their favor each year for the next decade.
Nah, he’ll be a beloved franchise icon.
So good to see the people brainwashed by capital are out in force
“It’s too much”
“No one is worth that much”
Also, MLBTR, I know you don’t know yet, but you should really start reporting the present value of contracts and not just the total value. Imagine if you could teach your readers something (and something relevant) while they were here.
10 years work agreed 700 million renumeration. If paid over 30 years doesn’t matter interest earned would count out inflation. note, If you win the lottery get a payment every year instead of a lump sum.
Big cheese
1) what?
2) “If you win the lottery get a payment every year instead of a lump sum.”
While that may be correct in many, even most, situations. It’s certainly not correct in all
Nearly everyone that wins a major lottery takes a lump sump payment of around 42% of the total.
Only a few choose the annuity over 33 years because the total value is equal to the lump sum and the annuity is not transferable, so if something happened to you the lottery keeps all that money.
How do you determine the Incremental Borrowing Rate?
vld
Guessing at a reasonable one would be more informative than not doing it at all.
vld
You could take an educated guess and that’d be more informative than just ignoring it.
Why don’t more fans get this. The luxury tax only works when you have a luxury tax.
This shows how baseball is going to eventually burn itself. These player contracts are not viable. No player should get that kind of money, especially when the dude is on his 2nd TJ. A 700 million dollar DH. The dodgers stupidity created a horrible precedent.
The Dodgers management knows what they’re doing. They’re rolling in money.
This is what I am afraid of too. Not good for the future
MLB revenue keeps going up. Even when RSN’s have went bankrupt, the teams have increased TV revenue, not lost money. As long as revenue keeps going up, MLB teams can and should continue to pay more money to players.
Least surprising news by far. He didn’t go to the Blue Jays or Yankees, so I’m fine with it.
lol. Dodgers will soon regret this.
From The Athletic: “Perhaps the Mariners can make it work with a couple players who provide 54 percent of Ohtani’s offensive production and international appeal.”
The Dodgers will IMMEDIATELY raise tickets prices to astronomical levels, to maximize the Ohtani effect.
And the stadium will be sold out.
Dodger stadium is always sold out, with or without Ohtani. That’s why they literally HAVE to raise prices, because they are literally already at 96% capacity almost daily.
micheladas now $75
I’ll take one for sure
Ohtani leveraged Toronto to gouge LA. Sometimes both sides eventually receive all they both deserve.
The Great Ohtani got what he deserved.
Absolutely unreal. Very stoked for Dodgers fans today. I think it’s where he belongs.
How do they think they are going to alter the luxury tax hit? It’s $70m a year against the tax no matter what. They can pay him out over 30 years if they won’t but luxury tax numbers don’t care
Yes exactly. Like the Scherzer Nationals deal. He still gets paid $15m a year through 2028. But that doesn’t count against the luxury tax right? The $30m a year from 2015-2021 was his luxury tax hit.
I’m pretty sure that Dodgers management knows how to add and subtract to balance their checking account. I would not worry too much about that.
Shohei Ohtani should give me some money
Message him on Instagram, he seems like a nice guy!
Would 700 million buy you an mlb team?
For some teams it’s not far off
@Big Cheese
Half of a normal one.
About three of my A’s.
So you’d get a AAA team?
No. The A’s are valued at over $1 billion even after they move to the smallest market in baseball in LAs Vegas.
If would buy you a dozen minor league teams.
This signing is like blowing up a beaver dam. The free agent water flows more freely now.
700 millions and the dodgers will not win the world series next year
Statement about nothing… Best records rarely do in the contemporary era!
Dont hate the playa hate the game.
This is ridiculous. He makes almost double what the highest paid players get. And this now sets the market for future players for so much more and other players with existing contracts are going to complain. Stupid money
I don’t think this sets the market. He is such a unique player.. not only the brightest star in the game and a two-way player but Ohtani also brings the entire Japanee market with him.
Regardless, bonkers money for sure.
Whichever team has him (seasons he’s pitching at least) get an extra roster spot which is quite an advantage, or should be at a competent organization
A rising tide lifts all boats. This will increase salaries for not just other FA, but also arbitration eligible players in future seasons.
People seem to be ignoring the deferred money portion. Depending how much and how long it’s deferred for could dramatically lower the actual value of the contract.
Yes, the 2024 value of a dollar is more than it will be in 2044.
It will still raise FA and arbitration salaries because it sets a new bar $27 million higher than the old bar.
Arbitration is based on performance compared to average salaries. This one contract just raised MLB average salaries by $89k
He is getting paid what the market has decided his value…
Not really. He got paid what the dodgers were willing to fork over
So he did the obvious thing after all. Going to the Blue Jays would have made no sense, in that he’d be going to a place that’s not even in the United States. If you’re a Japanese superstar wanting to make an international impact, the US is where you’d want to be, not Canada. And playing on turf as an outfielder is also not good.
Lmfao 700 mill dof 1 player they just scored themselves great job LA. But your manager needs to be replaced that’s the things you don’t see owners 700 mil lmfao
As an Astros fan who likes Ohtani and hates the Dodgers, I was really hoping the Toronto thing would pan out. On the bright side, he’s out of our division and even league so that’s nice. Now the real off-season begins.
What is this Ohtani you speak of?
I don’t really feel any way about this. The team with the truly deepest pockets got him. No surprise. It’s a pretty boring, unsurprising result of this whole saga.
They’re a good fit of super star on a super team on the preferred coast.
They can also afford to absorb the risk both financially and in terms of roster construction.
It’s a logical marriage, a logical conclusion.
Will Canada be okay?
And shame on the Dodgers organization! If you have that kind of money to throw around maybe use it to help unfortunate families in your community. Absolutely disgusting!
“Maybe use it to help unfortunatel families”…I certainly wish people held their elected political leaders to the same standard they hold NBA & NFL players, celebrities and Major League Baseball teams.
Right.. because everyone treats governments with kid gloves and never criticizes them.
Cool strawman…not what he said.
Right. Helping people and paying large salaries are mutually exclusive.
You know mookie s a little guy and was moved to second, and that was the tell where ohtani was signing. Of course little guys at second tend to fade quickly.the scourge of the little second basemen. Bah. That said ohtani can’t do both all year, odds play out terribly for multiple reasons and he throws a fork ball. Freddie 34, he s due for a lingering injury too. Dave Roberts better start shopping for boats now.
Wow! Surprise Othani signs with the Dodgers. He won’t even need to move.
Congratulations to Padre fans! And congratulations to Angel fans for only spending $40m for 6 years of Shohei in his 20’s and getting 5 years of him pitching. Even though it wasn’t 5 full years
What about our congrats as Giants fans avoiding this nuclear contract…
yea that Correa one for sure
Ohtani makes more than the GDP of small countries 😀
I think there are some franchises that aren’t worth $700M. Good for Shohei, man.
Wrong! They are all worth billions! If the Commanders are worth 6.05 billion, then every team is worth more than that!!!!
I’m gonna say that we’re both exaggerating a little bit here.
Maybe, except the commanders sold for $6.05 billion. It sounds like the Orioles are about to be sold. We will find out how much a mid-range MLB team is worth!
Today is the day I have officially stopped being an Ohtani fan. The minute he dons Dodger Blue is the minute I am done. Great player but officially not a fan.
Now that you have withdrawn your fandom, he will only have his $700 million to keep him company. I hope he will be ok emotionally.
Thanks for giving us a heads up
Im sure he and the Dodgers will miss you
No excuses now,after the pitcher Ysmamoto signs for $400 million, let’s get the off season going. Thanks Ohtani, for putting the brakes on everything and signing where you always planned to. You lost one fan, and not because of the money.
Yeah my thinking exactly. I really thought the Red Birds had a chance at Yamamota, but now he may be in the 35 mil category, and that would put them over the cap. I honestly believe he is more valuable than Otani, but hey long live capitalism!
Is fun watching all the dodger fans turn a 180 on what they were saying 24 hours ago when he was supposedly signing with Toronto
You can’t blame ’em. The thought of Ohtani in a Blue Jays uni suddenly made him feel kinda cheap and boring.
Wow, wow, wow!!! Chalk up another one correct for the free agent predictions, but I never expected that his deal would be even CLOSE to being that big! That’s just ridiculous.
Well congratulations Dodgers fans, and thank heavens Ohtani is not in the AL East.
Just heard this from my next door neighbors “Honey why don’t you put that math homework down and go outside and play Baseball.”
The main reason that the sport of baseball is now dead and buried is because of contracts like this basically closing most teams out of ever getting to sniff the great players. That must be the way MLB wants it, the haves and the have nots. Most “fans” really only care about their fantasy teams and their gambling results. Pretty much all sports have turned into an oligopoly business with few exceptions. That’s fine, there’s lots of money in it now and everyone is happy with that, so it will never go back to being sport. So be it. I am neither happy nor sad. Just seeing it for what it has become. That is all. Even at the child’s level, it’s all about money, private coaches, club teams, college scholarships, etc. It’s all business now at every age of life.
Can come watch our beer league softball team if you just want to see people playing for free
Told y’all Blue Jays had nothing on the Dodgers.
Breaking news dodgers just announced that the cheapest bleachers seat are going up to $700.00 per game
What – Ohtani picked the Dodgers!? What a shocker……..not.
This is exactly why MLB needs a true salary cap revenue sharing for all TV deals. Absolutely sickening how much money the Dodgers can pay to players. Teams like Tampa will never be able to compete with that without a true salary cap and/or revenue sharing of all TV deals.
Yeah good point, Tampa has never really been able to compete with superpowers like the Yankees or Red Sox.
The first paragraph says Ohtani “revealed himself on his Instagram page.” What a perv!!!
Plot twist: his dog’s name is Himself.
Morosi now reports that Cubs believe they are still in it to sign Shohei
Ten minutes ago Morosi reported that Ohtani is on a private plane headed for Chicago. More at 11pm.
And John Heyman was the first to report the Cubs are still in it.
I can’t imagine how Morosi still has a job.
If only Arte had the baseball instincts and foresight to build a replenishing farm system that would provide quality players to surround Trout and Ohtani, Shohei would be an Angel now.
Funny how so many forget that the Dodgers have an unlimited slush fund in which to draw from…They don’t give a HOOT about payroll in the grand scheme of things!
Weren’t Mets fans saying the same thing last year?
And the Mets had better pitching than the Dodgers do.
Absolute ridiculous amount of money. Good for him, bad for baseball. I’m really glad the Astros, my favorite team wouldn’t do something like this
In about a year we’ll see 3rd worlders wearing Ohtani Blue Jays gear on late night “give us your monthly donations” info-mercials…
Better hope that elbow holds up…otherwise it’s a $30M overpay per year and that’s even if continues mashing at the plate like an MVP.
Not my money. They’ll make that contract 10x with all the jerseys, other merch and tv revenue. I don’t feel sorry for the Dodgers. It’s a win win for both.
Unless they’ve changed things in the most recent CBA, sales of MLB licensed stuff is split amongst the teams.
Which means that as Ohtani goes, so does every other team.
Still gonna limit who they can sign deferred money or not. You don’t get a 100% luxury tax break on deferred money. It’s something like 30-35%.
Thank you LA. Didn’t want the cubs to sign this money disaster
Funny how fans of other teams express excitement and hope at getting Ohtani, then like bitter children say they didn’t want him anyway…
Nah. When the Braves dark horse rumors were making the rounds I was hoping to hell they weren’t stupid enough to do it. They didn’t have the money anyway.
The Braves have tons of money they just don’t spend it
There is a certain price point where you no longer want them, I don’t understand why this is difficult to understand. Will need to wait to see how much and how long the money is deferred to get an actual value of his contract.
No I think we are sincere. Love Shohei Ohtani as a player. I think its an idiotic financial proposition. When have these contracts worked out? There’s always three or four years at the end where everybody’s just wanting it to end.
You do realize the power of all of Asia and how quickly merch sales will begin to pay for this correct? You understand marketing yes? You don’t think the Cubs would want that?
Money disaster? Are you that dense?? I bet they sell 10 million Ohtani jerseys before Christmas in Japan alone. Hate the size of the contract all you want, but the Dodgers are going to make absolute bank with this guy.
This is true, but as a fan I want wins. That’s the point. All that extra money for the Dodgers’ bottom line will not create more space for them to sign more talent. A good financial investment for the team does not mean it won’t hamper their ability to win.
Now that this is out of the way…Giants go get Yamamoto and Bellinger in the 8 year range $25 mill and Lee for $50 mill five years…roughly what Ohtani will get and probably will get much more quality starts out of Yama than Ohtani over those 8 years and hopefully 35 homers .350+ OBP from th two hitters…
lol neither are going to SF.
Has zelensky reached out to ohtani yet?
Blue jays fans lol
Comment of the day!!!
Lmao
I would love to see this asked at his press conference
The most boring choice possible. This is just a bad day for baseball. Sad. I hope the Dodgers continue to suck in the playoffs and never win a World Series.
Since they’ve already won seven, your last hope is pretty silly.
The opposite would probably occur. Good for Ohtani. He has amazing talent. Sure this contract has some red flags. Ohtani DESERVES to get paid at the end of the day.
Apparently, Marlins terms were for a larger amount but clearly Ohtani is a west coast guy.
Standard dodgers contract, massive overpay to convince a player to play in the worst state, and one of the worst cities in the country. Clearly the league is still preventing the dodgers from accruing more debt as they have to defer payments. Of course tax payments are an average of the length of the contract, regardless of deferrals, so that’s 70 million a year for 10 years for luxury tax purposes. And to top it off, Ohtani is proven a liar, who chose money over a chance to compete, as the dodgers are the worst post season team in modern history. No team has won more division titles with nothing to show it, and outside of LA that 2020 win is more asterisk than championship.
Blue jays fan? I’m drinking your tears right now.
You mean the state that has the 6th highest economy and subsidizes the majority of SW US?
Worst cities? LOL. You have never been to LA have you?
that is obvious.
Dont care about Shoehei, really i could care less. But dismissing 70 sunny 300 days a year is hilarious.
Please, no, keep that opinion, Californians are quite happy to keep the state to ourselves.
Worst cities??? SO funny, really. I am going to head out and go to a bar on a beach, drink with beautiful people and think about how I will never see you in that bar….and smile.
Thankfully the Dodgers do not have micro-brains and can see the big picture that the vast majority of his contract, he will be much more than a DH. You are probably a paycheck to paycheck, day by day person.
Of the 52 players that have had two Tommy John or Internal Brace procedures, only two have had an ERA under 4.00 as a starter after the 2nd procedure and only one has pitched for more than 3 years as a starter after the 2nd procedure. In 2024 Taillon will be the 2nd to pitch more than 3 years as a starter. The other is Nathan Eovaldi.
The odds are not in the Dodgers favor on Ohtani pitching for very long as a starter or at the same level as he did before.
Instead of insults, maybe try looking up the facts.
So Shohei Ohtani now makes more in one year than one country’s entire GDP (Tuvalu) and will make more than six countries’s GDPs over the span of the contract.
Yeah, I think contracts are a bit out of hand. Good for him, though. Bad for baseball.
worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/
Baseball is a joke.
Im a huge Dodger fan. But losing a ton of 11-10 games, micheladas now $50, tickets 50% increase and no shortstop? Ill love watching him in Dodger Blue…..but from my couch more now it seems.
Messi is better
Steph Curry is better
Patrick Mahomes is better
Connor McDavid is better
Ohtani is a chump who isn’t even the best baseball player in MLB.
Copium is strong with this one.
Ok, I’ll bite. Who is your choice for the best player in MLB if not Ohtani? In 2024 it might be Acuna, but if Ohtani both hits and pitches again after that, it’s hard to name anybody better, objectively. I hope the Dodgers never win a thing though.
Over the course of 162, Ronald Acuna adds more to his team than this trinket. Heck, he’s not even the best Dodger. I’ll take Betts on my team any day over Ohtani.
The “trinket” had a WAR of at least 9 each of the last 3 years, when he both pitched and hit. You have a very objective opinion, clearly.
Steph Curry is not objectively the best player in the NBA either.
Sorry too ghetto for me.
Lol.
No.
Curry must be a joke I assume.
That contract is going to look ugly in 5 years – tho if he can help deliver 2-3 WS titles in the coming years Dodgers fans will be happy
They’ve won over 100 games every year for like 5 or something. Still not a whole lot to show for it.
I’m glad he’s landing with a class organization, he will be well taken care of there and a lot of his fan base is nearby.
Guys that have 2 TJs usually struggle with the exception of Evoldi I think. As a hitter, he may be worth 30-40. Oppenheimer fund has unlimited so from their standpoint, who cares. Going to Dodger Stadium in person sucks when you factor in driving there and parking, but if I’m a Dodger fan, they just hit paydirt. Plug him in at DH and massage his elbow every day.
Now everything is right with the world. Jays would have been bizarro world. Ugh now the doggers might get past the divisional series.
Trout is so stupid lol
Trout has an IQ of 200+. To him, YOU are the stupid one…
Silly take. 200+
Knowing that the DBacks were never going to sign Othani, and I am not bitter that he signed with the Dodgers. How many games will Othani actually play, it seems that he has been physically breaking down for the past four years. Since he is going to turn 30 is he going to physically be able to hold up thru the life of the contract. If he can’t do anything but DH, his pitching life will be about 60% of the contract can’t see him being a pitcher must past 35yrs old. How many games a year will he participate in, injuries are a big risk to this size of a contract. The Dodgers will make a lot of $$$ off the field with Othani but will they make it count on the field with titles. Remember they did not do well in the last two seasons. with one of the best lineups in baseball. And a lot of talent pitching that broke down. How many titles will it take for this contract to be a good signing??
Last 3 years, 158 games, 157 games, 135 games. More than Harper or Judge…
I wonder if they’re gonna let him play in the next WBC.
Ohtani for Trout & Adell straight up!
Yamamoto will be next
Mets make more sense
$700 – absolutely outrageous. It sets a crazy price tag for other players below that. Insanity.
I don’t even think Ohtani’s bat and wheels will hold up over time, either. His foot speed average (27. 8 feet per second) was down this past season, the lowest of his career, and it was a heavier step. Down a foot per second from 2020 and 2021, and not 1 bolt. (30 feet per second). Last season he had 9.
I think the bat is going to decline too in the coming years.
Foolishness. I’m so glad the Jays didn’t end up getting him with that kind of pay out. 2 Tommy John surgeries and 700M is such a gamble. Sure all the royalties and all but wow just mind blowing. I’m sorry but no player is worth 700. Move on Jays
YES !!!!! Go Dodgers !!! Now go get Yamamoto
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I think the 700 mil is a lot but they can afford it
My Red Sox still won this week, trading for Tyler O’Something. That’s called making a splash! This was the Dodgers trying to stay in the news, but we know who the real winners of the week are.
SHOHEI OHTANI DAY………BOBBY BONILLA DAY………WOW………..YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP …..WHAT A HOOT……….WOW.
Not even in the same realm. Bonilla was paid over one million a year deferred to avoid paying him six million for one year.
No surprise
So glad all the Ohtani b.s. is over. Now let’s see more free agent signings and trades. I hope Ohtani does well on a personal level but I hope the Dodgers miss out on the World Series every year of the ten year contract
Half you guys who are now hating on Shapiro/Atkins (I agree) were saying the same things about Alex Anthopolous (I 100% disagreed).
Yet another reason to hate the Dodgers
Nice turkey for Christmas. $700m for a DH.
I suspect he pitches for 2 more seasons in his career. What an overpay. Dodgers are the laughing stock of baseball.
Hahaha, that’s a lot of scratch. Glad my team didn’t spend that. Could get 3 great players for that price.
Disgusting contract! When is it going to end? 700 million!!!??? No one person is worth that. Its disgusting and the Dodgers and Othani should be ashamed of it. MLB needs to put a stop to how much money teams spend on ONE PERSON!
Communist detected
Lmao! That was good.
Owners can stop it now, all they are doing is bidding against themselves, I bet Dodgers bid against themselves by about 100 to 150mil. But we know they won’t, the MLBPA would have a fit, unlike now as they have big grins on their faces because they know they’re will never be a salary cap. Not now, not ever.
I agree.
We all know the Dodgers will now proceed to sign every other top FA available and trade for every available star.
Looking at the contract it is not a good look for MLB, there is no player worth this amount of money, it is what the market will bare right now, the Dodgers owners will make it worth their while with all the marketing they will get, but as far as on the field it may turn out the shine of Othani may only last about 4 maybe 5 years of this contract. His pitching side of the contract will not go past 5 years, his bat may start slowing down on the last 5 years of the contract, so how many championships does the Dodgers have to win to make this a good contract. This contract is good for the MLBPA , they can now look for the 701 million contract now to say these players are worth double for all the games they have to play to make it a season.
Well this was really weird! Satisfying for sure, but…odd. And I love it!!!!!! A 700 million dollar man. This is wild!
What a loser. Dodgers was the loudest team during his “decision period” and he still chose them for the $. Now you can use 100 dollar bills as your mattress, Shohei
Harper really wants to renegotiate his contract now!
dodgers outbidding themselves. pretty sure no one else came close to that
Just watch how much everything with the dodgers goes up tickets food ect. You people with pay the price the owners what you too enjoy.
That’s not how supply and demand works, but ok.
People don’t pay any price the owner wants them to. Actually, they only pay the price they themselves want to. It’s like every other aspect of life with respect to entertainment and luxury: no business owner can force people to pay….
People on this site have it so backwards: it’s not that they pay because Ohtani was given $700MM; rather, it’s that Ohtani was given $700MM because they pay. You have cause-effect reversed.
Fire Atkins already. So many needs no farm Jay’s are finished sick of Atkins the liar
You know what I would do if I was Ohtani??? I would go find the nearest Chuck E. Cheese…empty out the Ball Pit of all the plastic balls, and fill it up with one hundred dollar bills. And then dive right in.
last 24 hours for toronto must suck
Predictable
This contract is so stupid. I bet the Dodgers don’t win a single World Series in the next 10 years and the Red Sox are gonna win at least one before they win one
They’re the “regular season” champs!!!
Yay? Am I the only one who is incredibly bored by this news?
He was always going to LA so its minor news. The only thing that :”changed” the news was the fake Toronto reports.
For all the people yelling for an actual salary cap in the MLB this contract will reinforce the MLB players association (MLBPA) stand that there will never be a salary cap. Why give up the chance for other players to make unrealistic contracts now with the Othani contract, hey the owners are willing to pay the big contract why should there be a salary cap.
For people that want a salary cap the only thing I can say hope for another baseball league to challenge the MLB.
So, he’s paid more than the A’s roster.
Not sure how sustainable it will be for fans to attend games or owners with a couple of billion be able to maintain at these price tags.
Didn’t you know that everyone in LA was rich?
d’oh canada
For luxury tax isnt it just 70M a year? It says he deferred salary to lower the luxury tax hit?
He’s gonna have fun having a first round playoff exit
At least he’ll finally get to the playoffs!
Lots of confidently incorrect people commenting here.
The Dodgers will NOT have $70 million counted against their AAV for the next ten years.
The AAV is based on present value of the contract (another reason why sites like MLBTR should report PV calculations and not just the total payout. Are you guys listening?)
Why are people so confident in thinking they know something that they do not know?
Here’s a link to the PDF of the CBA
mlbplayers.com/_files/ugd/4d23dc_d6dfc2344d2042de9…
“(ii) Deferred Compensation Adjustment. If any deferred compensation is included in the Base Salary, the Base Salary shall be adjusted to reflect the discounted present value of the deferred amount”
PRESENT VALUE IS WHAT MATTERS.
Why sites like MLBTR completely ignore that, I don’t know.
I dont understand, if they defer $69M a year he only counts as $1M on the luxury cap? How is that fair for luxury tax calculations. It defeats the purpose of the luxury tax.
Dd
“I dont understand, if they defer $69M a year he only counts as $1M on the luxury cap? How is that fair for luxury tax calculations. It defeats the purpose of the luxury tax.”
No. That’s not at all how it works.
It’s like interest
Super simple example, if you invest $100 at 5% interest, youn get $105. The future value of $100 (at 5% interest) is $105
Present value works the opposite. The present value of $105 paid one year from now at 5% is $100
So they take all the payments, their due dates, the interest rate, and calculate the present value.
Here’s FanGraphs talking about the same thing with the Scherzer Nationals contract.
blogs.fangraphs.com/max-scherzer-and-when-210-mill…
If you have any questions, I’ll do my best to help clarify
So if I’m understanding this correctly, the $70M AAV will not count against the Doyers this year, but in future years they will take an even larger hit than $70M to their CBT count?
CC
“So if I’m understanding this correctly, the $70M AAV will not count against the Doyers this year, but in future years they will take an even larger hit than $70M to their CBT count?”
You are but understanding it correctly
MLBTR, please address the concept of future value in your articles. Your readers don’t understand it and it’s vital to understanding contracts.
Here’s what I just wrote to someone else
It’s like interest
Super simple example, if you invest $100 at 5% interest, youn get $105. The future value of $100 (at 5% interest) is $105
Present value works the opposite. The present value of $105 paid one year from now at 5% is $100
So they take all the payments, their due dates, the interest rate, and calculate the present value.
Here’s FanGraphs talking about the same thing with the Scherzer Nationals contract.
blogs.fangraphs.com/max-scherzer-and-when-210-mill…
If you have any questions, I’ll do my best to help clarify
Lol wrong. Deferred money means nothing. Except it allows the team to put money away in an annuity and hope inflation eats away a small percentage of the overall tax. MLB only cares about length/total contract which equals 10’years at 700 million. This is a 70 mill annual average hit against the luxury tax. My guess the dodgers will regret this albatross before Ohtani pitches a single inning. They will be in the top tax bracket immediately and for the entire length . This has massive competitive penalties that money cannot measure.Theres a reason the top revenue teams have gone to every length to avoid this penalty for three consecutive years. Dodgers have now guaranteed they will exceed it for the next ten, regardless of how much is ” deferred.”
The Dodgers WILL have a CBT hit of $70 million. Same CBA you linked to.
ARTICLE XXIII—Competitive Balance Tax ……………… 115
Section E is the relevant section of that Article in this case
E. Determination of Salary The determination of a Player’s Salary for a particular Contract Year for the purposes of interpretation and application of this Article XXIII only shall be in accordance with the following rules.
(1) General Rule “Salary” shall mean the value of the total compensation (cash or otherwise) paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract, including any guarantee by the Club of payments by third parties, for a particular championship season. Salary shall include, without limitation, the value of non-cash compensation such as the provision of personal translators, personal massage therapists, and airfare and tickets exceeding normal Club allotments. Consistent with the rules set out below, all compensation paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be attributable to the Contract Year(s) in which the Player is required under the Contract to render services to a Club as a baseball player, regardless of how the compensation is characterized under the Contract.
(2) Average Annual Value of Guaranteed Multi-Year Contracts A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1) championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual Value” (“AAV”) of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by operation of Section E(4) below). The AAV shall be calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guaranteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c) any deferred compensation or annuity compensation costs attributed to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(6) below shall be divided by the number of Guaranteed Years. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if a Multi-Year Contract is signed after Opening Day of the championship season, the: (i) Base Salary in the first Guaranteed Year for purposes of the AAV calculation shall be determined by multiplying that Base Salary by a fraction, the numerator of which shall be the number of championship season days that the Player was paid the Base Salary, and the denominator shall be the number of championship season days in that championship season; and (ii) the first Guaranteed Year shall not be considered a full Guaranteed Year for purposes of the AAV calculation, but shall be considered a partial year equal to the fraction described in subsection (i) above.
(3) Signing Bonuses Any Signing Bonus in a Uniform Player’s Contract (and any other payment this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) shall be attributed, pro rata, over the Guaranteed Years of the Contract. If a Contract contains no Guaranteed Years, the Signing Bonus shall be attributed in full to the first year of the Contract.
(4) Performance, Award and Other Bonuses (a) Any amounts that are actually earned by a Player as Performance Bonuses, Award Bonuses or any other bonuses properly included in a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be included as part of the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year in which the service or performance giving rise to the Bonus was provided. Potential bonuses shall not be included in the AAV calculation made pursuant to Section E(2) above. (b) A Special Covenant in a Uniform Player’s Contract that provides that Player performance or achievement in one year of the Contract will increase the Base Salary in other year(s) of the Contract shall not be considered in the determination of Salary until the triggering event occurs (other than, if applicable, as a “potential bonus”), unless it is determined by the Arbitration Panel that the Special Covenant was designed to defeat or circumvent the intention of the Parties as reflected in this Article XXIII. As long as such a finding is not made, the additional Base Salary triggered by the Special Covenant shall count as part of the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year(s) to which it is attributed by the Contract once the triggering event has occurred. Multi-Year Contracts shall not be recalculated on an AAV basis once the triggering event has occurred; the additional Base Salary shall be added to the Salary as originally calculated for the Contract Year in question.
From MLB CBT FAQ
“A team’s Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player’s contract on the 40-man roster, plus any additional player benefits. Every team’s final CBT figure is calculated at the end of each season.”
mlb.com/glossary/transactions/competitive-balance-…
What matters is the AAV of the total amount paid to the [player divided by the number of years of the contract. The present day value of the contract doesn;t matter at all.
The Dodger’s CBT hit for Ohtani is $70 million AAV.
oilf
“The Dodgers WILL have a CBT hit of $70 million. Same CBA you linked to”
You are not correct
The relevant parts
“(2) Average Annual Value of Guaranteed Multi-Year Contracts A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1) championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual Value” (“AAV”) of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by operation of Section E(4) below). The AAV shall be calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guaranteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c) any deferred compensation or annuity”
The base salary is affected by the deferments per here
“(ii) Deferred Compensation Adjustment. If any deferred compensation is included in the Base Salary, the Base Salary shall be adjusted to reflect the discounted present value of the deferred amount”
Don’t believe me?
Do you not believe Ohtani?
Do you not believe Jeff Passan?
twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1733580223801704916
Whatever. You being wrong isn’t really any skin off my back.
I just wish ignorant and arrogant posted world m world quit posting misinformation that others take as fact
Why would we believe you? You are obviously wrong here.
He quoted the sections of the CBA that deal directly with how the salaries are calculated for the CBT in full.
You are quoting a tweet by a writer and a section of the CBA that has absolutely nothing to do with the CBT.
I am going with the actual CBA sections that are about the CBT.
But hey, you can continue to be wrong if that is what you choose to do. That is ok. You have that right. You just be you boo.
Not sure what you think we ignore, we’ll definitely report the NPV of this contract like we do on all contracts with deferred money.
Tim
First, you’re ignoring that roughly half the people here don’t understand that the AAV of a contract is not simply total dollars / total years.
You could clear that up, for one
Your readership is clearly not informed.
Second, even if the contract were being paid out strictly at $70 million per year over 10 years, it’d be useful to report that PV figure. I certainly don’t see that number ever mentioned – and, yes, even an estimate of the discount rate would provide more info to people than just ignoring it
I mean, look at the comments here. It’s this an knowledgabke group of people in your opinion?
You seem to think it’s a social danger or something that baseball fans don’t understand all the intricacies of the CBT taxes and penalties and how they work. It isn’t.
Also, have you considered for a moment that perhaps it’s you that’s wrong about the details of the CBT hit and not the professional baseball writers who do this for a living?
So where’s the Toronto fans who claimed Toronto was the better city and that they had enough money to match the Dodgers? I don’t think he was ever going to Toronto; he just wanted publicity and made them think it was relevant.
Dodgers will regret this deal, it’s absolutely insane. Blue Jays are lucky they didn’t sign him, but I don’t think they ever had a chance anyway.
In three years, the average yearly value of the contract will be a bargain. Look at Harper. $25M a year. Giants are probably upset that Ohtani signed so quickly cause it did not give them time to fleece fans out of season tickets. Let’s go to Z – get us another Hanniger and Stripling you great GM!
Dont brag too much. You would have been buying that Ohtani jersey right now at full price if he was a Yankee. that and game tix. Remember that Judge is one of those big dudes. Stanton is a big dude. FIne blown glass on Stanton. Judge could have injuries as well. He has in the past. The Yankees were never a choice. If they made a bid it was only used to get the price higher.
Boring.
Glad he went to the National League.
This is exactly why I hate MLB nowadays. Unfortunately I’m a Pirates fan and the same few teams spend yearly. I don’t expect us to sign someone like Ohtani but there should be a cap and a floor in baseball. NFL will always be superior.
I got nothing against Ohtani making that kind of money. He’s the best player in the world (arguably ever). He’s going to make the Dodgers a ton of money and he should get a big piece of that.
He’s not twice as valuable to the on-field success as Betts or Judge or Trout, even if he does return to form on the mound. And he can’t move the needle that much in terms of winning a championship.
Well said
Best player in the world but doesn’t move the needle towards winning? Great logic.
He can’t take a bad team to the playoffs alone. I know that because he didn’t.
He can’t really make the Dodgers any better in the regular season than they have generally been and even if he does who cares? If the Dodgers win 140 games instead of 105 it means nothing.
If he takes over the playoffs that’s great. Maybe he delivers some rings. Adolis Garcia just took over the playoffs and he didn’t make $700m.
Ohtani would probably have a bigger impact for a borderline playoff team than he will have on the field for the Dodgers.
How many times have the Dodgers signed the next best player and won the World Series? The only one they won was in a 60 game season that played more like a WBC then an actual season.
None of the players you mentioned are worth a fraction of the marketing value of Ohtani. It is basic business, not on field talent that warrants that contract. The sooner you analyze it from a business only standpoint, the quicker you realize this contract may end up being a bargain on all fronts.
Ohtani LAD jerseys are already available. You have to buy 10 at a time, and they’re 700 each.
Best to wait until next year when you can get both sleeves.
Good one
The L.A. Store-Boughts strike again. On the upside, I finally got one right in the prediction contest.
Most asinine overpay I’ve ever seen
Just want to tell all the Toronto fans that talked big yesterday to suck it! Dx style. Have fun being 4th. I’m sure I’ll regret this comment
Seconded.
Hmmmmm……. thats the craziest contract ever. Now he will feel the pressure as the highest paid ever, plus on the Dodgers, now if they don’t win he will be blamed every year. They go into a slump he will be blamed..Dodgers will make millions on merch no matter what. Huge risk that he recovers from TJ surgery 100% healthy. If this fails it will be the biggest bust in history in sports, if it works out the Dodgers should win a few championships.
He will cave to the pressure like Mookie Harper did. Will never be good again.
So he’ll earn roughly 100MM when he gets TJ surgery.
Shohei is going to holliswoods!!!
Ohtani makes more than entire Pirates\Rays\Royals story in 3, 2, 1…
.Thank goodness Ohtani didn’t sign with Toronto. We didn’t need that guy in the AL East. Plus I could already hear those cocky, mouthy Blue Jays like little Vlad and that washed up fat clown, Alex Manoah, yapping how the Jays were going to win it all. This will shut them up.
Way too much money. This is gross. No one is worth this. Professional sports cannot sustain these salaries. Congratulations to Ohtani. But, the Dodgers are now the stupid organization in professional sports.
SLB
If Ohtani didn’t get that money, who do you think would?
Why do you think they deserve it?
Things are worth what someone is willing to pay.
Dream, you are absolutely right. But, as I’ve said, these type of salaries are not sustainable. Baseball will suffer. Hell, if the owners want to pay this to one player, then by all means the player should accept. My problem is not with the player. I care very much for the long term care of Baseball. Things like this can make a system collapse.
I am sure you are on pop music websites crying like a baby about how much money Taylor Swift…
You in the movies at Tom Cruise or the Rock…
Send me your address and I will send you case of tissues…
Jersey, if this is aimed at me, what makes you think I am crying? I don’t care what Taylor or Tom make. I do happen to care very much about the game of baseball. And these types of salaries are not sustainable. As I said above, congrats to Ohtani. But, the Dodgers made a huge mistake. I don’t want a salary cap in baseball but, when teams start going bankrupt because of their own stupidity, I don’t want to see these teams get bailed out either.
What a joke. FU John Fisher. I’m done with MLB
Shohei the money
Paid almost double entire Oakland team.
They could have paid 26 man payroll for at least 10 years.
JP and Dodgers nation reporting it was a done deal he was signing with Toronto but in a miraculous turn of events LA increased their offer and Ohtani listened! Amazing story. Can Morosi confirm this?
So would he have gotten a billion if he didn’t get injured? Or teams just didn’t care?
Morosi reporting April 25th Ohtani will be en route to Toronto.
I am pleasantly surprised. Apparently the Dodgers owners are good with this contract so I am too. Is Yoshi next? Yamamoto wants post season games too and also a Japanese teammate. The teammate angle is now covered and at least a Wild Card berth is almost a lock now.
over $100,000 per AB.
Lets get this settled once and for all. Deferred money does not matter for CBT purposes. Ohtani will count $70 million each season for the next 10 seasons towards the Dodgers CBT numbers.
mlbplayers.com/cba
ARTICLE XXIII—Competitive Balance Tax ……………… page 115
Section E is the relevant section of that Article in this case
E. Determination of Salary The determination of a Player’s Salary for a particular Contract Year for the purposes of interpretation and application of this Article XXIII only shall be in accordance with the following rules.
(1) General Rule “Salary” shall mean the value of the total compensation (cash or otherwise) paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract, including any guarantee by the Club of payments by third parties, for a particular championship season. Salary shall include, without limitation, the value of non-cash compensation such as the provision of personal translators, personal massage therapists, and airfare and tickets exceeding normal Club allotments. Consistent with the rules set out below, all compensation paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be attributable to the Contract Year(s) in which the Player is required under the Contract to render services to a Club as a baseball player, regardless of how the compensation is characterized under the Contract.
(2) Average Annual Value of Guaranteed Multi-Year Contracts A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1) championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual Value” (“AAV”) of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by operation of Section E(4) below). The AAV shall be calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guaranteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c) any deferred compensation or annuity compensation costs attributed to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(6) below shall be divided by the number of Guaranteed Years. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if a Multi-Year Contract is signed after Opening Day of the championship season, the: (i) Base Salary in the first Guaranteed Year for purposes of the AAV calculation shall be determined by multiplying that Base Salary by a fraction, the numerator of which shall be the number of championship season days that the Player was paid the Base Salary, and the denominator shall be the number of championship season days in that championship season; and (ii) the first Guaranteed Year shall not be considered a full Guaranteed Year for purposes of the AAV calculation, but shall be considered a partial year equal to the fraction described in subsection (i) above.
(3) Signing Bonuses Any Signing Bonus in a Uniform Player’s Contract (and any other payment this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) shall be attributed, pro rata, over the Guaranteed Years of the Contract. If a Contract contains no Guaranteed Years, the Signing Bonus shall be attributed in full to the first year of the Contract.
(4) Performance, Award and Other Bonuses (a) Any amounts that are actually earned by a Player as Performance Bonuses, Award Bonuses or any other bonuses properly included in a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be included as part of the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year in which the service or performance giving rise to the Bonus was provided. Potential bonuses shall not be included in the AAV calculation made pursuant to Section E(2) above. (b) A Special Covenant in a Uniform Player’s Contract that provides that Player performance or achievement in one year of the Contract will increase the Base Salary in other year(s) of the Contract shall not be considered in the determination of Salary until the triggering event occurs (other than, if applicable, as a “potential bonus”), unless it is determined by the Arbitration Panel that the Special Covenant was designed to defeat or circumvent the intention of the Parties as reflected in this Article XXIII. As long as such a finding is not made, the additional Base Salary triggered by the Special Covenant shall count as part of the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year(s) to which it is attributed by the Contract once the triggering event has occurred. Multi-Year Contracts shall not be recalculated on an AAV basis once the triggering event has occurred; the additional Base Salary shall be added to the Salary as originally calculated for the Contract Year in question.
From MLB CBT FAQ
“A team’s Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player’s contract on the 40-man roster, plus any additional player benefits. Every team’s final CBT figure is calculated at the end of each season.”
mlb.com/glossary/transactions/competitive-balance-…
What matters is the total amount paid to the player divided by the number of years of the contract. For Ohtani that is $700 million total and 10 years for an AAV of $70 million.
You’re wrong
Per the CBT the base amount is adjusted for deferrals
““(ii) Deferred Compensation Adjustment. If any deferred compensation is included in the Base Salary, the Base Salary shall be adjusted to reflect the discounted present value of the deferred amount”
Don’t believe me?
Do you not believe Ohtani? Why do you think you know more about MLB contracts than Ohtani?
Do you not believe Jeff Passan?
twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1733580223801704916”
I posted the ACTUAL section and language. You can say anything you want and you will STILL be wrong.
oilf
You left out the part that talks about adjustments to the yearly base rate
Again, why do you think you know more about this than Ohtsni, his agent, the Dodgers, Jeff Passan, etc?
Fili, He posted the entire section that is about how salaries are calculated for the CBT. You posted something that has nothing to do with CBT.
Article XXIII is where you have to look, not Article VI.
You are repeating incorrect info over and over. He got it 100% correct.
Ohtani NEVER said anything about his CBT AAV and neither did his agent. The Dodgers have not either. Passan is the only one that did and he was wrong.
The signing of Ohtani added $70 million to the Dodgers CBT payroll for 2024 and for every season through 2033.
Lets get this settled once and for all. Deferred money does not matter for CBT purposes. Ohtani will count $70 million each season for the next 10 seasons towards the Dodgers CBT numbers.
mlbplayers.com/cba
ARTICLE XXIII—Competitive Balance Tax ……………… page 115
Section E is the relevant section of that Article in this case
E. Determination of Salary The determination of a Player’s Salary for a particular Contract Year for the purposes of interpretation and application of this Article XXIII only shall be in accordance with the following rules.
(1) General Rule “Salary” shall mean the value of the total compensation (cash or otherwise) paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract, including any guarantee by the Club of payments by third parties, for a particular championship season. Salary shall include, without limitation, the value of non-cash compensation such as the provision of personal translators, personal massage therapists, and airfare and tickets exceeding normal Club allotments. Consistent with the rules set out below, all compensation paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be attributable to the Contract Year(s) in which the Player is required under the Contract to render services to a Club as a baseball player, regardless of how the compensation is characterized under the Contract.
(2) Average Annual Value of Guaranteed Multi-Year Contracts A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1) championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual Value” (“AAV”) of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by operation of Section E(4) below). The AAV shall be calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guaranteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c) any deferred compensation or annuity compensation costs attributed to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(6) below shall be divided by the number of Guaranteed Years. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if a Multi-Year Contract is signed after Opening Day of the championship season, the: (i) Base Salary in the first Guaranteed Year for purposes of the AAV calculation shall be determined by multiplying that Base Salary by a fraction, the numerator of which shall be the number of championship season days that the Player was paid the Base Salary, and the denominator shall be the number of championship season days in that championship season; and (ii) the first Guaranteed Year shall not be considered a full Guaranteed Year for purposes of the AAV calculation, but shall be considered a partial year equal to the fraction described in subsection (i) above.
(3) Signing Bonuses Any Signing Bonus in a Uniform Player’s Contract (and any other payment this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) shall be attributed, pro rata, over the Guaranteed Years of the Contract. If a Contract contains no Guaranteed Years, the Signing Bonus shall be attributed in full to the first year of the Contract.
(4) Performance, Award and Other Bonuses (a) Any amounts that are actually earned by a Player as Performance Bonuses, Award Bonuses or any other bonuses properly included in a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be included as part of the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year in which the service or performance giving rise to the Bonus was provided. Potential bonuses shall not be included in the AAV calculation made pursuant to Section E(2) above. (b) A Special Covenant in a Uniform Player’s Contract that provides that Player performance or achievement in one year of the Contract will increase the Base Salary in other year(s) of the Contract shall not be considered in the determination of Salary until the triggering event occurs (other than, if applicable, as a “potential bonus”), unless it is determined by the Arbitration Panel that the Special Covenant was designed to defeat or circumvent the intention of the Parties as reflected in this Article XXIII. As long as such a finding is not made, the additional Base Salary triggered by the Special Covenant shall count as part of the Player’s Salary in the Contract Year(s) to which it is attributed by the Contract once the triggering event has occurred. Multi-Year Contracts shall not be recalculated on an AAV basis once the triggering event has occurred; the additional Base Salary shall be added to the Salary as originally calculated for the Contract Year in question.
From MLB CBT FAQ
“A team’s Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player’s contract on the 40-man roster, plus any additional player benefits. Every team’s final CBT figure is calculated at the end of each season.”
mlb.com/glossary/transactions/competitive-balance-…
What matters is the total amount paid to the player divided by the number of years of the contract. For Ohtani that is $700 million total and 10 years for an AAV of $70 million.
You can try posting that BS all you want and you will STILL be wrong.
This is confusing but I think you are wrong. We have not seen the deal but they are stating that it will be a total $700 million over the life of the contract including the deferred years. So let’s say it is to be paid over 20 years, the present value of what a dollar is worth in 10 years, 15 years or 20 years is not the same value as today.
So as I understand that future depreciation of the dollar due to inflation (i.e. money is worth less than in the future) and for argument’s sake let’s say in 10 years the value of a dollar depreciates by 50% so instead of that $70 million annual value, it really will be valued at about $47 mill. So as I understand that deferral adjusts for the change in value over the deferred period and amount. So that is how they get around the $70 mill a year hit.
Outinleftfield is absolutely correct. The deferral years are irrelevant for determining the average salary, which baseball definitively states is the years the player renders baseball services. The deal is for 10 years of Ohtani as a player, therefor the average salary will be the entirety of the contract divided by 10 years, it does not matter when deferral payments are to be made and there is absolutely no adjustment for inflation in the future.
For CBT payroll, it only matters what the total salary is when the contract is signed.
In this case its $700 million. The deal is over 10 years. Whatever is deferred is irrelevant to the CBT payroll calculations. Just to the total amount when signed and the number of years. So the Dodgers CBT payroll increased $70 million for 2024 to 2033 when they signed Ohtani.
Go Cubs Go!!
Where’s the Los Karens bum at?
legend says the plane to toronto hasnt landed yet
Spanglish
Congratulations to shohei ohtani and the la dodgers to what will go down as the worst contract in sports history and one of the worst negations of mankind. cheers!
Ohtani needed to get paid in the first place. 350m for each position respectively. He pitched every 5th day and DH every day. Assuming the Dodgers go to the playoffs, they don’t need to burn off his arm once they clinch. They always win 100 games most of the time. Ohtani wants to be a champion! He’s done everything minus a World Series ring and a CY Young.
70 mil a year, fine. whats really noteworthy is i think shohei ohtani has about 2 seasons of good baseball under his belt with the rest of his MLB career being on the injured list.
Never say never. But there is no denying his insane prime.
First, as others have noted, a big fat overpay, and will probably be even more so when Ohtani is a batter-only player by halfway through the contract. (I predict that will be the case; the success rate after 2 TJs — yeah, I know the second wasn’t “full” — is pretty low..)
Second, letting contract money be deferred for a lux tax dodge is bogus and MLB needs to eliminate it. (see if this gets me out of moderation purgatory)
Third? I look forward to when he does pitch in 2025 and presumably in the postseason. Could he join Clayton Kershaw as a playoff flop?
Second, letting contract money be deferred for a lux tax dodge is bogus and MLB needs to eliminate it.
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No, it isn’t. Y’all are confusing duration with discounting.
When someone like Bogaerts signs a $280M/8 contract, but adds three years to the contract, that lowers the AAV.
When someone takes more money, but is willing to get paid over a longer period of time, but not for more service years, all MLB does is to discount that to reflect the time value of money.
Best player in baseball for sure, but $70mil/yr AAV for a guy who is an injury waiting to happen? Yikes. Very little chance they see anywhere near nine good healthy pitching years out of him, and part of that $70mil/yr is for the pitching. I just don’t see it. Yes, he brings a lot of value back to a team, but that’s a lot different if you’re the Angels vs. the Dodgers. The increased revenue he’s going to bring to a team like the Angels is far greater than the increased revenue he’s going to bring to the Dodgers. Any team that has a smaller revenue source is undoubtedly going to profit more off of him in terms of revenue increase than a team that already has a large revenue source. The teams that are starting out smaller with less of a fan base are just going to add a lot more new fans, new ticket sales, new merchandise sales, etc. Add to that the fact that he likely doesn’t have more than about five prime years left, and this is just lunacy. I see a lot of regret coming 5-6 years from now.
Look im happy for Ohtani and wish him all the best but the human body playing at a high level both ways is not going to age well especially after 2 TJ surgeries. Chalk this up as Dodgers are aware of this and ok paying him solely as a DH
The best part of this is that Scott Boras doesn’t get a dime of this contract.
I could see a congratulatory phone call contacting Ohtani’s team, congratulating them on getting this deal and then basically saying “you know, I’m the reason this kind of market exists. I feel like, symbolically, I helped negotiate this. Symbolically, that’s gotta be worth…. 4%? Yeah, four percent symbolic finder’s feee. And one percent for the privilege of this conversation. So, five percent of the contract. And you’re welcome.”
Boras is ecstatic at this contract. His client Soto will get a huge bump in pay when he becomes a FA at the end of the 2024 season. Instead of the $440 million he turned down in 2021, he will instead get $600 million or more over 14 years.
You very well may be right but it won’t be the Yankees paying that amount so its 1 year and done. Yankees will be fine with a healthy Dominquez and pray the kids- Peraza, volpe, Jones, Wells and others continue to develop into meaning mlb players. Torres will be extended and both DJ and Stanton will be released by 2025 season
wow at that money, how much you think they’ll recuperate just in jersey sales this season
Not much
Guess Heyman is moving to LA since Ohtani is all he writes about……..
That’s roughly 102.5 billion yen. I think that makes him prime Minister now.
He wasn’t goin2 Manitoba
I’m loving all the hate for Dodgers and Ohtani because he didn’t sign with your team. You’re all a bunch of jealous crybabies. Go Dodgers!!!!
Didnt want him. Thats a terrible deal
We’ll see in a few years if you’re still so happy. And I would be pissed if my team spent that much on a single player.
The mask of foresight covers the jealous face
Sick
I can’t believe anyone thought Ohtani was going to Toronto!! Clearly, Mickey did!
I’m not 100 on what’s happened but this has been theeeeeeeee most ridiculous thing that’s happened in sport!!!!! I LOVE SPORT!!!! I love all of what sport is and I can hold a fairly good conversation regarding 90% of sport that’s relative on this planet. SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s a joke, it’s disgraceful and it’s just a person. 7dingers saves countries. I feel shame as an Irish man that happens to live in this country!!! Not a hateful man but wouldn’t it be hilarious if the giants put their 6 or 7 starter out to face Ohtani and just drill him!!!
You feel shame as an Irishman who happens to live in this country? Just say you feel shame, champ. This country has done way worse than give a Japanese kid a ton of money to entertain us. Just say you feel shame.
It is surprising to me how many people just realized today that having money is helpful.
He’s not a $700 million DH right now?
Syndergaard only has a fastball that’s not fast anymore. He throws 89-90 now.
My point is he has very good secondary pitches, his fastball actually has a high contact rate. The ones that figure it out aren’t one trick ponies. Kind of a bad example those are the guys that don’t bounce back.
This will be interesting. Mike Trout is arguably the 2nd best baseball player out there and he’s never won anything. Ohtani is a great player and he hasn’t won anything either. I mean a pennant or a WS ring.
There’s no question that pitchers are not going to play games anymore with Ohtani. I’ve always felt that great players on crummy teams get to pad their stats as the damage they do isn’t often consequential. That’s Trout. To me, that’s Ohtani at the plate. Ohtani’s value is in his pitching which is not assured to ever come back to the way it’s been recently. What if it doesn’t?
This is great for Trout. Now the Halos will be even less of a threat and pitchers won’t care if he hits another solo shot.
Ohtani, OTOH, is not going to get any free passes. I predict they will grind him down. The better pitchers, for sure. Yes, he’ll have great stats, but will they make a difference?
Yes, he will put fannies in the seats. The Dodgers won’t lose money. But in a couple years, they won’t be shoe ins to win their division anymore.
Why didn’t the angels trade him last year? They obviously were never going to come close to this contract. Horrible
Follow sports much?
As a Giants fan I am extremely excited. You know ohtani doesnt come close to living up to that contract. He’ll be an average player in 3 years.
You’re saying he’ll be league average in three years on both the hitting and the pitching side? I just want to clarify exactly what you’re saying so it can be referred back to in 3 years for accuracy.
No just league average in hitting. He only has one more season as a pitcher, 2025, and that won’t be a full season. Then miss most of 2026 with tj recovery. Then league average hitter after that.
Good!!! No way they have enough money to bring Brasier back now!!! RB…. Breslow line one…
This has to be a record for number of comments on MLBTR. If there are 50 or less comments, I usually read them all, and I’ll extend that to 100 if the topic is really interesting to me.
With nearly 1,200 comments on this article, if you spend an average of 10 seconds reading each comment, it would take 3 hours and 20 minutes to do so..crazy!
Congrats to MLBTR on what I assume is a new record and congrats to Ohtani for setting a record that is unlikely to ever be beaten for total contract value.
DM
“congrats to Ohtani for setting a record that is unlikely to ever be beaten for total contract value.”
Someone said that about Babe Ruth
Thought that about Arod too. It’ll happen some day.
Ok Angels, nowwwwww you can trade Mike Trout and feel better about the 3 top 100 prospects you coulda had for Ohtani 4 months ago. Maybe Trout still gets you 1?
Pay that man his money!
Hanging around, hanging around. Kid’s got alligator blood.
Next… Arte Moreno to sell Angels to Volodomyr Zelensky for $6 Billion.
Putin is worth that much. Maybe that is who you are talking about. Of course, with all the sanctions, Putin can’t even buy a ticket to a game.
I love all these people whose team did not get him suddenly saying in two years he’ll decline as a hitter and he’ll probably never pitch again.
Overpriced overpaid!!!!
Naw, hes Kevin Garnett. Going to a stacked team is loser behavior.
Audit the FED and the Dodgers too.
Something is quite fishy about doubling the highest contract in MLB history..
What? Not everything you disagree with as a conspiracy
Going from 43 million to 70 million is not doubling.
Close enough.
Unless we have another 60 game season the Dodgers won’t win a title!!! So I have written so it will be done!
Interesting. Given that he pitches and is a DH, it kind of puts a ceiling on the current value of players. That doesn’t mean that any team can go out and give a player that doesn’t hit and pitch a $1B contract but in terms of actual evaluation, Ohtani is the best two-way player so technically, $700M is the top level for salaries. Again, it’s possible a hitter only gets $1B but that would seem like an overpay given the fact that Ohtani is a two-way player making $700M.
Maybe the next thing we see if a pitcher who also plays CF or catcher.
It’s impossible. Ohtani DH’s because the team doesn’t want him throwing from CF or catcher (your examples) the day after pitching. This is one reason of many why this (two way) hasn’t been done before.
Soto, hey Yanks I`m worth at least 60 million a year I`m only 25
Soto could not wear Ohtani’s jock strap so he is not getting $60 million a year by any team period. In fact he is not topping $50 million either so let him go to the highest bidder as a true DH only player. I predict Soto gets 14/525 and not so sure Yankees be willing to entertain even that level for Soto. Sadly Cashman and Hal failed to see this coming as they were wise to wait another year to bid on Soto giving up nothing!
It’s almost as if people forget that Aging Ontani turns 30 this season and won’t be able to be a 2 way player again until the season he turns 31- and who knows how much longer he will be able to do it. Its going to be a lot of sub 4 war seasons for 70 million a pop and has a strong chance of being the worst contract in mlb history.
Its been a great day. Ohtani signed for $700 million and I sold my house in Jupiter for $7.75 million.
Congrats on selling your house. Did you find a rental in Greenwich while the house you bought there is being remodeled?
Hopefully Aging Ohtani doesn’t pull a Chokeshaw in the playoffs.
Chokeshaw? Edgy
Kerchoke no betta
At least kerchoke is original and kinda funny
Just so you know MLBTR writers, deferred money does not lower the AAV as far as the CBT goes. It may give the Dodgers some flexibilty for actual payroll purposes, but it doesn’t matter one bit in terms of how much Ohtani’s deal will effect their CBT numbers.
Its a $70 million AAV towards their CBT in 2024 to 2033.
Article XXIII Section E of the CBA if you are wondering where to find that info.
Here is the link. mlbplayers.com/cba
Passan and other reporters are saying different… Because of some change within the new CBA.
Ohtani to wear the number 700,000,000 instead of 17 next year.
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#70
Is the money from “marketing” really going to pay for that much of Ohtani’s salary? How many jerseys are people buying?
History tells us he has probably peaked as a player. Do we really think he will remain this buzz-worthy in, say, 5 years?
I don’t think he’s peaked as a player yet
Wonder how much of contract will be covered by insurance. You would think just having surgery would make insurance firms not want to cover it.
Ooh. Didn’t think about that. I’m kind of curious too.
How much is Ohtani worth as a DH? 15 million. How much is Ohtani worth as a pitcher? 25 million. 70 million a season is way over priced for a player who’s already had two Tommy John surgeries. He’s not pitching next year. I don’t want to see a 70 million a year player at 39 years old. It’s way overblown
His hitting is only worth $15m/year for you?! That’s absurd.
A top of the line DH is about 15-18 million a year
But the thing is- he’s not a traditional DH. His other position is pitcher. Ohtani has had games where he pitched and hit, I believe? What’s the difference between that and a guy who fields and hits? Nothing. There’s no difference. He produced 10 WAR- 1 WAR is about $5M-$9M as a hitter/fielder and about $8M-$11M as a pitcher. So at minimum, he’s worth $6.5M per 1 WAR and at most he’s worth $10M per 1 WAR. $16.5M divided by 2 is $8.25M for 1 WAR of Ohtani. By that standard, which is reasonable and consistent, he’s worth $85M a year based on his 10 WAR season. Applying a discount for up and down years, pitcher or hitter dominant years, etc…. $70M per year for Ohtani is entirely reasonable and there is no world in which his hitting is only worth $15M and his pitching is only worth $25M.
The number of average hitters making $15M…. his hitting alone is worth up to $35M a year. His pitching is worth up to $40M a year.
No matter how you calculate it, $70M a year for Ohtani as a two-way player is his exact fair market value.
The offensive production for Ohtani, as great as it is, is slightly sensationalized. He’s treated like 2001-04 Bonds when he’s just not.
it’s not 1993 anymore
Heck i don’t want to see a $70 million yr DH at 34 let alone 39!
The Dodgers describing the Ohtani contract in 2028: youtube.com/watch?v=1PJix23IeF8
Damn, it’s hard to follow all these comments. Never seen a comment section so broken up into sections like this, not even sure if it’s worth getting into the fray.
From the looks of it, most people here hate this contract for one reason or another.
Some are doing the old “when this profession only makes $50k a year or less- how can someone, in good conscience, justify paying one person that much money?” Because most jobs that pay $50k a year don’t bring in tens upon tens if not hundreds of millions in revenue- in fact most jobs making $50k a year or less are probably operating at a deficit and if they did bring in a decent profit margin for what they do, they’d be paid more.
Some are calling for a salary cap- but if you look at NBA and NFL salaries, that actually just redistributes the money a little differently and there are still guys getting paid pretty close to this level already in both sports/leagues and have been for a long time before this.
Some say Ohtani isn’t worth it, no player is worth it, etc.- except they are. Teams aren’t stupid. A lot of variables, moving parts, etc. go into virtually any contract, especially one as big, as historic, as this contract. They made this offer based on the increased revenue streams from overseas, based on the market value dictated by competing offers, based on the devaluation of the overall deal by inflation over time, etc.
Some are pointing out how many teams have payrolls that barely match or are nearly half of Ohtani’s annual salary- but it’s always been like this. For as long as I have been following baseball news and ever since the explosion of free agency deals after the A-Rod/Jeter deals and then guys like Mike Hampton and Jason Giambi over 20 years ago, there’s always been some statistical /factoid note that one guy’s annual salary eclipses the total budget of some teams’ entire player roster payrolls. And while that’s pretty crazy to think about- baseball operates like a free market and the owners aren’t really forced to spend or not spend. They’re free to spend or not spend as they choose. Anybody who owns a baseball team can afford this deal. It’s the nature of owning a baseball team. The owner of the A’s could cover this salary plus the rest of his team. He wouldn’t want to, in principle, but he could if he had to. Same goes for the Pirates, etc. including teams like the Yankees.
Ohtani is a two way player who, when he’s at his best, people agree is worth $30M to $40M a year for any one half of his playing- pitching or hitting. That if he hit the market strictly as one without the other, he’d still command top of the market AAV as is. When his free agency was ramping up, I acknowledged that to pay him ‘fairly’ going by WAR and going by the valuation of both of his skillsets, a team would likely be paying him $70M a year- the Dodgers did that. They paid him $35M for both his offensive value and his defensive value- and his marketability and revenue generating international popularity would cover it enough for it to be a profitable expense, which it is.
The economics of the game haven’t been skewed. There are no players on Ohtani’s level like Ohtani. And he got paid pretty nominally for both, as individual skills. If he was paid $35M a year over 10 years for either pitching or for hitting, most folks would agree it was basically a fair, market value deal and some would even argue he was being paid a very reasonable salary and it wasn’t a crazy valuation by any means. So when you combine those two realities- $70M a year for a two-way player who’d be worth around $35M a year for either half of his baseball playing- it’s just common sense and a logical conclusion.
I am not offended, surprised or angered by this contract and nobody else should be, either. Also- a lot of the mega contracts do not move the needle on other financial dealings in the sport, or it takes so long for equivalent deals to become the norm, that inflation nullifies the idea that anybody caught up.
It took so long after A-Rod’s 10 year/$252M deal or even his 10 year/$275M-$300M deal for the league to generally catch up to those kinds of contracts, that by that point, the equivalent value deals would’ve been for like $375M or $425M and nobody has received that kind of a 10 year deal, even at this point- aside from Ohtani.
So Ohtani’s deal is an anomaly for an anomalous kind of player and it is what it is and I am fine with that.
You sure?!
So who will be the first Billion Dollar Player…this stuff is out of control…enjoy spending $500 for tix to a Dodger game and then watch them win a 100 games then lose in first round of playoffs in the Ohtani 10 years…dumb just gets dumber
Ro
I agree
These comments that say, or imply, that teams only attempt to maximize profit ater they sign a big contract are dumb, dumb, dumb,
Dodgers fans when Ohtani turns 30 this season and also isn’t even pitching: (Will Smith/Chris Rock)
Baseball always benn like that you will make big money because of what you already did… future uncertain. Overall I think is a big move, specially since you putting a lot of money on a one or maybe two in one player.
I love the guy. Amazing talent. Seems like a good person. I’ve always hated when people complained about how much athletes make because we pay for it. If they sold tickets to watch fires, or arrests or kindergarten classes, maybe people who deserve it would make more money.
HOWEVER, this is insane and is horrible for baseball. This has changed the landscape forever. Before it was just small market. Now mid market teams won’t have a chance either.
The deferment is crazy.
The new Emperor of the Rising Sum.
Angels should have traded him at the deadline
Stop with this talk of Ohtani never having won a WS, or even Trout. They are great players and will be in the HOF. Look at the great ones like Ted Williams, Ty Cobb, Ernie Banks and the list goes on – these are great great players and Ohtani is in their league.
Time for a MLB salary cap. I think Ohtani may become one of the greatest ball players ever, but no one is worth that kind of money.
The billionaire owners don’t care about you so you shouldn’t care about them
If possible, what should be the cap for baseball?
Terrible deal. Good luck with the boos when he starts sucking.
Jealous crybaby
That only happens if he signed with the Yankees
Where are the Jays fans, did they survive the last 24 hours, and are they ready to admit they have other big holes to fill rather than DH in 2024?
And….if they offered $500 for 10 they can offer 10 for $300-mil to Bichette.
The back half of that contract will be for his age 35-39 seasons. That could be an unimaginable overpay if he has health issues of any kind or age related decline starting then. Just wow on 10 years and the total amount. An outstanding player, but maybe the most risky contract ever given. Will he even be fully healthy in 2024 after his surgery even if only hitting?
I think the Dodgers out bit themselves on this one. They threw a price out there that they knew no other team would dare match.I know he’s a duel player and all but this guy already has two TJ’s to his name and won’t even pitch in 2024.I’m happy he’s now in the NL and my Tigers won’t face him.Seeing we suck we will never face him in the WS.lol
Every team plays one another each season now.
Dodgers outbid themselves by at least $150 million
GOOD LORD PEOPLE, GET A LIFE!
I’ll keep it short: Gross.
A record contract and a record number of comments on MLBTR. What a day.
It’s going to cost a family of four $800 to see a game. I love Ohtani, but this is definitely bad, not only for baseball, but for all sports. My question is, who gets the first billion-dollar contract?
If the players All played for free, the prices would still be the same cause it’s what people have proven to be willing to pay. The idea that billionaire owners want to charge $2 per ticket but are handcuffed by needing to pay the players is laughable
The Guardians finished as 1st runner up for Ohtani.
No one cares about a family of four going to a game. That is a shame but it is the reality of the MLB business. $700 million is nothing but an investment to make probably double that or more over the course of Othani’s career
In merchandise and a cable or streaming package that will now be targeted to the Asian market and fan base. Otahni’s name on the back of a jersey sells crazy tickets, crazy apparel and advertisers/sponsors will want to get in on whatever. A guy like that could get both Pepsi and coke to sponsor him and neither competitor would care.
Go Cubs Go!!!
Just means that after the 2030 season Reds acquire Ohtani, Dodgers #2 & #4 prospects, plus $100MM for a PTBNL.. Nothing ever changes.
I wonder if the Dodgers are waking up this morning with buyer’s remorse? Hahaha
Thank God. I was growing tired of this story. Good for him, he gets paid, he’s a great athlete and the most dynamic player in the game at this time. But going to the Dodgers was almost predictable. It also gives him a success safety net. If they win he helps them get over that hump experienced the past few seasons. If they lose with him, well it can then be painted that the surrounding cast of Betts, Freeman, Smith, Muncy and Taylor he has could have done better.
I know there are posters here who hate it that people don’t know all the numbers or don’t know math. So I will go by what I have read that the Dodgers salary totaled less than 160k last year. So even with this contract and nothing else added. Which really at this point what more do they need besides health for their pitchers?
They are still below the salary tax cap or whatever BS they try to use to try and stop the evil empires from going crazy with their money. The Dodgers do so well with their development of their own players and finding diamonds in the rough. Their team is set now to win and now it’s up to them to win in the playoffs.
Also I would like to know why when I log in here when I’m trying to post. It takes me back to the top where I have to scroll through thousands of posts just to post? Why not take me to the box that allows me to post? How F hard is that to do?
The best is when I go to reply and it takes me out of the thread entirely and takes me back to home page.
It’s ridiculous and EVERYONE KNOWS IT.
It is an insult to the other people of this culture.
It is an insult to culture itself.
Shows how far off course we are.
Shameful.
I guess the. Economy’s doing great everyone can afford the tickets going up and everything else maybe that kid can buy that otani Jersey at the stadium for like 200 bucks and a 15 dollar beer the dad can get and othere this to.two people win in this signing the owners and player oh a player don’t make a team players make a team meaning of team together everyone achieves more
Baseball games are a dream for some, a special treat for others. How many people in area and only 50k or whatever stadium.
Good for LA!
They bought a brand congratulations.
Another dead arm for the land of broken toys.
He’s a pure DH and if he’s a pure DH he’s not an MVP player. Ask the guy he’s going to replace. A guy who had more RBI’s last year than Ohtani had in his best year. .
He is a pretty darn good hitter crushes high heat which is rare. Will have tonnes of protection in that lineup. Reality is that his bat is great but lots of guys can do that.
They are praying that he will pitch. Hope that contract is insured!
LA still won’t win the WS
Dodgers just replaced JD Mart with a 700 million dollar guy who may not be able to pitch at above average level with 2 TJ’s. Other than the global market aspect for the team, how does this get the dodgers closer to a WS victory? They need to focus on pitching, the dodgers won in 88 with pitching 2020 wasn’t a full season. Total over pay for a DH in my opinion. Welcome to LA Shohei glad to have you but an absolute over pay for your DH services! Could have been better spent on high quality starters…Hope to see that before spring training or the dodgers will be watching the WS from the couch!
I don’t believe that Ohtani required surgery at any point of his career thus far. There was never a pop sound. He just needed to revise his mechanics. Go watch his pitching motion. He has the ball underneath his elbow in his windup
Jason Alexander (George from Seinfeld) commented that when NBC started paying them $1 million each per episode it helped destroy network television. Now every Tom, Dick and Harry actor who gets a sitcom will be grossly overpaid. Network television is awful.
These contracts just widen the gap between the have and have not MLB teams. How do KC, St Louis, Minnesota compete over the coming years?
They’re just going to have to get lucky. Really, really lucky.
6 7 years is a good chunk of team control. Many players still want to avoid risk and will sign extensions. If not trading expiring players is the best thing to do. Harder to compete but still can.
But you are wrong. Network’s shows don’t get the audience they once did. So no one is making the money the Seinfelds and Friends made. That era is dead so your analogy does not work…
Great for Ohtani. He seems very genuine and is an amazing talent. But this is bad for Baseball. The Dodgers have rapidly become the George Steinbrenner Years Yankees.
Spend , Spend and Spend some more. Buy yourself a pennant and possibly a World Series Championship. Maybe I am in the minority and think Old School Baseball when a franchise grows young talent to become a championship club. That to me seems to be the right way and a more deserving way.
There will be many who disagree but that’s good thing too.
If extreme spending alone guaranteed a WS then Steve Cohen would already have 2 rings.
Salary cap and floor. It seems inevitable at this point, but we probably won’t see it for some time still.
Teams have always used a financial advantage to have better players if they wanted to win. If there was no free agency teams would just spend to have better scouting development. You aren’t alone though. Teams would prefer no free agency and they fought against.
How did Ohtani pass a physical if he just underwent another surgery?
Because LA medical team thought other than tj surgery he is healthy enough for team to give him the contract.
I have heard it is possible Ohtani AAV goes down to 50 million with deferrals, but it really doesn’t matter. Seager and Betts are the only top 10 players to win the world series. The Dodgers took a step back last year to sign Ohtani and they still won their division. Now I don’t see anything stopping them towards the world series next year.. I see them signing at least 3 starting pitchers.
Is the surgery that Ohtani received going to prevent him from being a DH next year?
Should be able to dh some maybe half season. Everyone is different but Harper had surgery after world series and came back to dh play 1b.
This is the 1393rd post in this thread.
Congrats Shohei. Happy for you but this has been super annoying as a baseball fan. For it to have taken this long is ridiculous and it has pretty much stopped everything else of significance in free agent signings for two weeks. Let’s get on with the other dominoes now…geez. We are now just over 2 months until spring training camps start. Lots of players are going to be moving around now with very little time to make living arrangements.
He signed fast.
700 million doesn’t buy what it used to.
Can someone please explain to me in “unions for dummies “ how baseball/ basketball and hell even hockey have guaranteed contracts but the sport where you career can end on every play doesn’t??? Owners can say we”ll pay you 35 million next year than cut you and owe you squat… ( signing bonuses) I get it ….just don’t understand??? Number 1 betting/ watched/ popular …sport in America I’ll hang up and listen for anyone’s answer…
All signing bonus. If contracts were guaranteed they would be smaller with exception of players who get all signing bonus.
Because the nfl players Union is much weaker than mlb and nba players unions…
Joke!!!! Children and animals are suffering for this ridiculous amount of money!!!! If I was a journalist and anyone in Ohtanis camp ever decided to speak I’d ask him how much he’s willing to give a 2 charities of his choice. See how much of a nice man he is then
Several people have raised the extreme likelihood that Ohtani is going to be lustily booed off the field everywhere he goes. I’ve seen him play in Yankee Stadium and Fenway and he was always treated with respect. Now? Oh brother. He better strap on his flak jacket. And they don’t boo in Japan. So…
Well, I was afraid he would sign for $65 gazillion for 85 years…..and he only got $700 million for 10 years….AWWWW… SMH. For this kind of money he better go 52-1 and hit .822… DONE with todays baseball.
Forgetting what it will cost the dodgers each year, did they really have to go to 700 million. We’re there actually other teams offering 600-650 million because that’s hard to believe. Did they just throw out some ridiculous number just to make sure they got him.
The size of this contract just goes to show a player’s value goes well beyond the baseball field these days, particularly when you’re a generational talent. Impossible to put a number on the marketing side of things—or at least, I’m hardly qualified to even take a stab at it—but I’d imagine a sizeable portion of these dollars were with that in mind.
Sorry Giants, nobody wants to play in your poop covered city.
Bye Felicia
Bye Felicia!
The comments are easier to read when there are less than 1,300 of them.(so far)
For all the crying whiners out there, remember when the McCrooks took the Dodgers to near bankruptcy and were forced to sell the Dodgers? The current ownership was well picked. They have deep pockets with a focus on making the playoffs every year.
For the betterment of MLB, perhaps more greedy owners should sell their teams to owners committed to fielding competitive teams instead of filling their own bank accounts. Because, we all know, a salary cap will not happen.
“Everyone’s parents should buy them a trophy! It’s your parent’s fault that they didn’t not my fault that mine did!!!”
Trash league.
Go run to the hills because your flight of Icarus will only land you in a strange world or Transylvania. I’m running free…
For $70M a season, he should be in the stands selling hot dogs and beers when he’s not batting or running the bases.
Gee, the two richest teams lucked out and landed the two best players available.
Trash league.
The league would be so much better if the Royals had Ohtani and the Tigers had Juan Soto. That way the two best players could be exiled on two trash teams and no one would ever see them play. Then MLB would be perfect for the Marlins fans.
Well said, Larkraxm. The Ohtani/Trout show at the Big A never got them to the playoffs.
No disrespect to Angels fans but Arte should trade Mike Trout. Their 2002 World Series run was a lot of fun to watch. Perhaps if Arte sells the team they can get back to the playoffs.
One, Soto is not one of the Top 5 players, let alone 2nd best. I’d say it’s Ohtani, Acuna, Betts, Freeman, and Julio, Soto’s atrocious defense undermines him breaking through the Top 5 players in the game.
Two, we actually accomplished what you suggested, only we were more efficient over the last 6 years by putting the two best players in the game on the same trash team with no chance to win. Artie Moreno will go down as the owner who constructed Murderer’s Row light and failed to even having a winning season. Literally, prime Trout and prime Ohtani couldn’t even be good, let alone great. What a legacy. Billboards and large scale failures!
Gee, the Globetrotters beat the Generals. Be so very proud.
Wrong sport, bad analogy, what are you talking about?!
This is the 1340th post in this thread. And… while I’m at it: in today’s NY Post, Jon Heyman says that Ohtani is the greatest player in the history of MLB. Yeah…no. Of course, this is the same Jon Heyman who last year “reported” that Aaron Judge had signed with the Giants.
Wonder how much a 30-year-old Albert pujols and Miguel Cabrera would bring in
Ohtani won’t be the last massive contract we’ll see. Some young, 5-tool player in the future will eventually hit the billion dollar mark. It’s astounding, yes, but if you had the ability to make that much money, wouldn’t you ask for every dollar you could get?
Praying that expansion leads to a realignment that takes the Rockies out of the NL West
Maybe the Rockies can find a home in the AL Central.
Wasted money
Being that teams can afford to pay their players $700 million maybe they can afford their own stadiums and to also pay their fair share of taxes to this country?
stop re=posting the same *!@#$ article over and over again for clicks!!!
They are shameless about it huh? Thank Timmy D <3
Stop clicking on updated articles.
that is a crap ton of money for a two way player who may end up being a one way DH. the insurance cost on him is going to be crazy i bet.
Unless I missed something,he isn’t very good at fielding and he can’t pitch in 2024 and who knows after that.
Congrats to him, his agent. and dodgers fans.
Did anyone find out the real story? What is his dog’s name?
I am.surprusdd the Dodgers didn’t defer the announcement
This seems like a obvious slap in the face to any salary cap efforts. Major league baseball should dis- allow this contract.
And break the CBA? Yeah… that’s not going to happen.
DODGERS AND OHTANI ARE OFFICIALLY CHEATERS LUXURY TAX, AND MAYBE INCOME TAX CHEATERS! ANY HARDWARE EITHER OF THEM COLLECT GOING FOWARD WILL HAVE AN ASTERISK, OR 2! ALSO, IT IS BELIEVED PER J.P MOROSI THAT OHTANI HAS A SPECIAL JAPANESE FORMULA IN A CREAM SUBSTANCE THAT ADDS SPIN AND EVEN VELO TO HIS PITCHES! THEY ALSO FORMULATED A WOOD LIKE SUBSTANCE TO PRODUCE BATS THAT MAKES THE BALL TRAVEL FURTHER WHETHER BARRELED OR NOT! ALSO PER J.P. MOROSI
This contract is all completely within the rules. Nobody cheated, and every team can do it. He will still count for about 46 million against the CBT.
The Blue Jay fans’ annual free agent meltdown was more unhinged this year than usual. Normally it’s the ‘our owner is cheap our FO is cheap we never get any free agents’ breakdown, but this year is something different. This year, with Ohtani making it clear that Canada isn’t really even in the running, and sportswriters being honest about that being the case, has just made them lose their s**t. They’re all over Rosenthal, and Heyman and Nightengale on Twitter for writing the obvious.
The issue is the fake reports by said reporters. If they didnt post fake stories, then Jays fans wouldnt be upset.
No actually. That’s not the issue. Almost all of the posts on Twitter are claiming that these writers have ‘disrespected’ Canada because Rosenthal tweeted that having Ohtani go to a major franchise like the Dodgers was good for baseball, and Heyman retweeting him. And Nightengale saying that LA was always his intention.
Toronto fans might ‘wish’ it was about fake reports, but It’s about Toronto and Canada not being a destination.
WILL THE DODGERS ALLOW NEW OR CURRENT SEASON TICKET PURCHASES TO BE DEFERRED UNTIL 2034 WITH 1% DOWN??
All of you whiny cry babies , hilarious!!!
PLEASE, not in all caps?
It hurts my feelings LOL
a not so braves23=whiny bia