The Cardinals acted quickly to reshape their rotation this offseason, signing right-handers Sonny Gray, Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn within a span of a week. They’ve since shipped outfielder Tyler O’Neill to the Red Sox in a trade that netted a pair of potential bullpen arms, but they’re not done looking for help in their relief corps. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported earlier this week that the Cards have at least held internal discussions about free agent righty Hector Neris, and Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reports that the Cardinals hosted star NPB lefty Yuki Matsui for a meeting in St. Louis just yesterday. Goold also again linked the Cards to free agent Phil Maton, to whom they’ve been previously tied.
The meeting with Matsui is the more notable development at the moment. Reports out of Japan back in October pegged the Cardinals as a team with interest in the five-time NPB All-Star, but a sitdown in St. Louis is a more concrete indicator.
The 28-year-old Matsui has saved 30 or more games for the Rakuten Golden Eagles on six different occasions, including this past season’s career-high mark of 39. He pitched 57 1/3 innings in 2023 and worked to a scintillating 1.57 ERA, giving him three straight seasons with an ERA that clocked in under 2.00. Matsui also fanned nearly a third of his opponents and turned in a 5.9% walk rate. Dating back to 2019, the southpaw boasts a 2.20 ERA, 35.8% strikeout rate and 9.4% walk rate.
Matsui’s track record in Japan is clearly excellent, but there’s at least some reason to think MLB clubs might have some trepidation. He’s listed at just 5’8″ and 167 pounds — a Tim Collins-esque frame that rarely has found much success in the big leagues. MLBTR spoke to multiple scouts and evaluators about Matsui and other international free agents prior to the onset of free agency and received mixed reviews, though Matsui did draw praise for his slider and deceptive delivery. Every team’s opinion on Matsui will vary, of course, and it stands to reason that there are big league clubs that believe he can be a viable late-inning reliever in North American ball — even if he can’t quite replicate his staggering NPB numbers.
Because of his lengthy track record in NPB — he’s pitched 10 full seasons despite his youth — Matsui accrued enough service time to be a free agent who can sign in MLB without being subject to the MLB/NPB posting system. (NPB requires nine years of service to become an unrestricted free agent.) That fact, coupled with his age and his year-over-year excellence could help to mitigate concerns about Matsui’s size and lead to a multi-year deal.
Neris, meanwhile, is more of a known commodity. He’s accrued more than eight years of MLB service time since debuting with the Phillies back in 2014 and has regularly been a high-leverage option for both the Phillies and Astros — the only two clubs for whom he’s pitched to this point in his career. Neris logged 68 1/3 innings with the ’Stros in 2023, posting a pristine 1.71 ERA in his second season with Houston. His two-year, $17MM deal with Houston contained a club option for 2025, but a clause in his contract converted that to a player option depending on Neris’ workload. He remained healthy and effective in his time with Houston and wound up vesting that player option, which he declined in search of another multi-year deal.
Last year’s shiny ERA is certainly eye-catching, though Neris’ 11.4% walk rate and tiny .219 average on balls in play are among the reasons that fielding-independent metrics are more bearish on his most recent performance (3.83 FIP, 3.89 SIERA). Those are still fine marks, of course, and Neris still fanned 28.2% of his opponents with swinging-strike and chase rates (14.1% and 35.1%, respectively) that were well north of the league average. Dating back to 2018, Neris sports a terrific 31.3% strikeout rate. He’s also avoided the injured list almost entirely in his big league career, with his only IL trip coming back in 2020, when he spent three weeks on the Covid-related IL.
Ryan Helsley will likely reprise his role as the Cardinals’ closer and be supported by Giovanny Gallegos and out-of-options southpaw JoJo Romero next season. The remainder of the Cardinals’ bullpen is a bit more fluid, with Andre Pallante, Zack Thompson, Nick Robertson (acquired from Boston for O’Neill) and Matthew Liberatore among the options for manager Oli Marmol. The Cardinals’ activity thus far has pushed their payroll a bit north of $175MM, but president of baseball operations John Mozeliak has previously hinted that there’s room to further add to that figure.
Deez Cardinals
I say let’s get him! Maton as well! A solid bullpen may make our senior citizen rotation look a little better!!
Wagner>Cobb
I would like St. Louis to add two bullpen arms, personally. The bullpen wasn’t very good last year, though much of that had to do with the failings of the rotation which unnecessarily taxed the relievers. They have raised the floor of the rotations by adding reliable innings. Now, if they aren’t adding another TOR starter, they should raise the ceiling of the bullpen.
One of Matsui/Maton and one of Neris/Hicks would be excellent to the current back of the bullpen (Helsley, Gallegos, and Romero). Not sure that two additions will happen, but it’s the best way to secure the team for this season as they seek to bounce back.
n2thecards
yes, raise the roof er ceiling!
saluelthpops
The starting rotation didn’t help, but neither did just trying to assemble a patchwork bullpen. They tried to skate by on what they had plus the additions of a couple of guys who were not impactful.
Lanidrac
Yeah, they really could’ve added to that group last offseason, but it also didn’t help that guys like Woodford (when not stinking up the rotation), Pallante, and Cabrera crashed and burned so badly compared to their previous work, and even Gallegos had a significant off year.
rotofool
Would love for the SOX to deal Santos to STL, giving them a cheap young setup man with upside. STL churns out quality OFs, which the SOX seem entirely incapable of. I’d package any players outside of Luis Robert to get Jordan Walker back.
Eloy, Santos and $$ for Walker?
Cease for Walker would be fine too.
baseballpun
I think Walker is going to be viewed as untouchable by STL management.
Big cheese G stands for grilled
I see Walker taking over 1st base after Goldy retires.
Joel P
Jordan Walker isn’t available at all. And he’s definitely not available for a reliever.
Deez Cardinals
Zero percent chance walker is dealt. Not this year at least
The619MetroPadres
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deeds
Hardwood has definitely overtaken carpet in today’s world.
GrillMan89
Hate to break it to you, but there is zero chance the Cardinals consider parting with Walker at this point
rotofool
Indeed, it would be foolish cause Walker is going to rake.
rotofool
Truth be told, I had Victor Scott in mind as the OF prospect to poach for a four year controllable reliever like Santos. A young speedy defense first OF with some hit tool seems to be Getz’ taste.
Walker the type of young hitter that leads one to make ridiculous offers…
stan lee the manly
They won’t trade Scott either unless they are overwhelmed with an offer, they already have him pegged for the CF their roster is lacking in a year or two.
ih8tepaperstraws
They will have Chase Davis in a year and who ever the draft this year
In two more years. They already have 4 Victor Scott’s, that’s all they produce. Walker should be untouchable either. He’s a nice player, but what you saw last year is pretty much what you’re going to get with him.
Charlie'sSinging
Out of curiosity, what makes you think Walker isn’t going to continue to develop and grow as a hitter? A high ceiling 21 year old with a good frame and great work ethic not improving seems improbable.
I would also question the “4 Victor Scott’s” comment. They have zero with his kind of speed. It’s questionable they have any with his type of glove either. He certainly shows a better average than any that would come close to comp’ing him, so I’m not sure where the 4 of him comes in.
ih8tepaperstraws
Because you can go pull up almost any hitter who has been in the league for a few years and look at their numbers. It’s a total fallacy that players are only gooing to get better. No one is actually looking at the number post steriod era. These players love and breath baseball from an early age. Training is 12 months a year starting in elementary school. These aren’t the baseball players of the 80s and 90s that I grew up watching.
As for Scott, his only utility is speed. He’ll just be another outfielder with no pop who going to try and augment a terrible slug with hustle and a decent glove. Nootbaar, Edmon, Carlson, Donovan, Palacios. He’s the same mold as the same, mid at best, player the cardinals have been trotting out there for the last 8 years. Except he has more speed. It’s fine when you have one of those guys, but when your roster is full of them you end up 90+ losses. The roster is still full of them BTW. Maybe 100 loss team this year which the huge Goldschmidt decline I project.
stan lee the manly
100 losses is just plain delusional
hollidayfever
@ih8tepaperstraws He’s definitely a better prospect than that. He just put up a 119 WRC+ at AA at age 22. That was on top of being 45/52 on SB. He just has to hit at a Tommy Edman level and his elite defense and base running make him a 4+ WAR player in CF easily. Obviously that’s not a guarantee that he’ll develop that far, but he’s got potential for more power and has a great hit tool and should run high BABIPs with the speed bump. Very similar hitting profile to Winn. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Cardsfanatik redux
@ rotofool You won’t get Jordan Walker. period. And if you’re not willing to part with Robert, you’re not really interested anyway. I wouldn’t be surprised if Walker isn’t as good or better than Robert in a couple years anyway tbh. (even though I’d love to have Robert) And IF they did trade him, it wouldn’t be for an averageish corner OFer and a RP. The first trade isn’t realistic, it’s more like “I really want Robert, but I’m not giving up anything of equal value, so you take Tyler O’Neill and Ryan Helsley, while nice, it’s not good enough…. Cease for Walker is closer, but I honestly think I’d rather have Walker, and the Sox won’t do a 1 for 1. I truly believe if Walker were available, we’d have Logan Gilbert by now, but I wouldn’t do that trade 1 for 1 from the Cardinals side either. I just feel like Walker will be a generational hitter. I might be wrong, but if I were Mo, he’s untouchable, idc who’s being offered. I’m almost as bullish on Gorman as well.
Joel P
Walker can hit. But he can’t play defense.
Cardsfanatik redux
If you look at the body of work over the entire season, he’s learning. He’s just a kid. He’ll be OK. He’s fast, and has a cannon for an arm. He’ll be better than he was.
playhard9
Walker was an infielder until he suddenly became an MLB outfielder. Give him a chance. His speed and cannon arm should make him at least decent next year. Plus he has Willie McGee coaching him this off-season.
stan lee the manly
I don’t think Joel understands the whole new position, development thing that’s happening. His defense has steadily improved since he took over right. There’s no reason to believe that the trend upwards won’t continue with more experience.
asdfgh
Joel can criticize but can’t realize the facts that Walker had limited experience in OF before last season and got better with as the season went on with McGee and is working with some braves OF and McGee.
Joel P
He’s not fast. His arm is good. He doesn’t understand the basics of playing outfield.
Of course he will be better than he was. He truly couldn’t be worse.
Joel P
What I don’t understand is why the developing was taking place in the big leagues instead of the minors.
He produced .2 WAR in 2023. That’s not good. You can make all the excuses you want for him that’s not good.
Joel P
This isn’t a developmental league. A soon to be fired manager once said that.
FAFO
What you don’t understand is….a lot!
Quincy V
Does anyone understand why a moron is here ranting about Jordan Walker?
Cardsfanatik redux
@Joel P. Do you look anything up? Or do you just blab to blab? Jordan’s sprint speed is 28.6. Why don’t you look up where that rates…
stan lee the manly
This is just not accurate. The Cardinals had him playing outfield, including center, in the minors before he made it to the majors. They didn’t just call him up and say “have fun in your new position!”
Joel P
What isn’t accurate?
He was TERRIBLE defensively in 2023. He was the worst defensive player in all of baseball for most of the year. He got a LITTLE better later in the year but he still wasn’t any good. The only guy worse on defense was Schwarber and the Phillies were only playing Schwarber in the field because of Harper’s injury they weren’t doing it by choice.
Why do Cardinal fans get so defensive about Jordan Walker????
He was TERRIBLE in 2023. .2 WAR that’s awful all day every day.
FAFO
We don’t get defensive about Walker just about your comments which are inaccurate. Inaccuracies proved by statistical data versus your skewed opinion.
Joel P
Walker was absolutely terrible defensively in 2023.
He produced. 2 WAR. ONeill produced 4 times that in half the playing time.
What about all this is inaccurate? Be specific…..
FAFO
Walker’s arm strength proved an asset. He ranked ninth among outfielders in overall average velocity on his throws from the outfield (93.8 mph), and he registered the 11th hardest outfield throw in the majors this season when he uncorked his top velocity of 100.2 mph.
Joel P
What good does arm strength for an outfielder do if they consistently get terrible jumps and reads like he did all year long?
It’s like you are making stats up dude. Fangraphs judges his OVERALL game it doesn’t cherry pick one little thing it judges everything. And WAR says Walker sucked in 2023.
That’s as accurate as it gets champ.
FAFO
You may not even think about speed in Walker’s game, but he stole 22 bases and was only caught five times in 2022. He recorded a high-end sprint speed of 29.9 feet/second. For reference, that top-end sprint speed would rank 12th in all of MLB last season. 10-to-15 steals in the early part of Jordan Walker’s career seem like a reasonable mark.
Joel P
Now we are talking about stolen bases in 2022????
WAR factors all this in. Walker lacks instincts to make use of whatever speed he has. That comes with experience. Experience he should have been getting at Memphis last year not with the big league club.
Maddog1983
The Cardinals aren’t trading Walker period but if they offered him straight up for Cease the White Sox would absolutely do a one for one deal.
asdfgh
lol 2 years of Cease not even close to Walker and his 5 years of control and big upside. Cease isn’t a true #1 he’s only #1 because Sox suck. He’d be a #2 behind gray for us.
ih8tepaperstraws
If Walker was going to be a generational hitter you would have already scene it. Hitters don’t really get better than what they show you over their first 100 games. Walker played 117 last year. He’ll pretty much be what he was last year for his career.
Generational hitters are Albert Pujols who had an OPS of 1.013 his rookie year and, proving my point, stayed right around that for the next 10 years
Charlie'sSinging
“Hitters don’t really get any better than what they show you over the first 100 games”? I’m assuming you’re just trying to stir the pot, because that’s one of the most insane statements I’ve heard on these boards..
Mike Schmidt had an OPS under .700 over his first 145 games, and ended his career with a .908 OPS
Ken Griffey Jr. had an OPS of .748 after 127 games and ended with an OPS of .907
Jim Edmonds was around .700 after 112 games and ended up over .900.
Roberto Clemente had an OPS of .666 after 124 game and ended with an OPS of .834.
Tony Gwynn had an OPS of .726 after 140 games and ended with an .847 OPS.
Luke Appling had an OPS of under .650 after 100 games and ended with an OPS around .800.
Roberto Alomar went from .709 his first season to .814 for his career.
Kirby Puckett went from .655 his first season to .837
George Brett went from .676 his first season to .857.
Hank Aaron from .769 to .928
Jeff Bagwell from .824 to .948
Harold Baines from .686 to .820
Larry Walker from under .760 to .965
Jim Thome from around .700 to .956
Vlad Guerrero, Edgar Martinez, David Ortiz, Chipper Jones all raised their career OPS more than 100 points higher than their first 100 games.
Honestly, this list could go on and on and on. I’m just pulling players at random. I would probably come up with hundreds of MLB ballplayers fairly easily who raised their OPS by over 100 points for their career after their first 100 games if I cared to spend any more time proving this point. Your statement is very odd.
ih8tepaperstraws
You’re also pulling players from generations ago. When they used to come into spring training and lose pounds. Why don’t you go pull up more recent player, Acuna Jr, Soto, Judge, Pujols, Trout, Harper, Betts. My list can go on and on as well. Today’s post steroid era players train and know the game way more than they used to. Especially those that were top 50 overall prospects. Its not uncommon to have one monster outlier year, but the regress right back to who they are.
Charlie'sSinging
Acuna’s OPS his rookie year was .917. His last four years have been .987, .990, .764 in a year trying to make it back from and play through injury, and 1.012. That’s an improving player.
Soto was better in his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years than his rookie year, but admittedly regressed in SD. TBD whether that was a venue issue or not.
Trout was horrendously bad when first called up but did adjust quickly in his second year.
Harper had an .817 OPS his rookie year, and now has a .912 career OPS.
Betts had an .812 OPS his first year, an .820 OPS his second year, and now has a career .900 OPS.
Your examples prove my point better than they prove yours. Players 1) don’t have MLB caliber coaches and trainers growing up; and 2) are human, and as such, have bodies that naturally develop more and add more bulk as they get older. Players absolutely do tend to improve as time goes on for very basic reasons. Neither side of this argument is 100% true in every single MLB player who has ever played, but far more players who have long careers improve than those who don’t.
stan lee the manly
You are the paper straw of MLB analysis. Oooooooofff
asdfgh
Lol time to getz with reality
oscar gamble
I did not expect that I’d read the name Tim Collins today in any of the baseball articles I read today. Well done!
n2thecards
I know, I was thinking Tim Lincecum instead.
n2thecards
I really don’t want a bullpen where Robertson and Liberatore are counted on. Would be nice to add any 2 of Neris, Maton or Matsui.
playhard9
Liberatore was solid out of the pen last year. He should just stay there where his multiple decent pitches play well for a couple innings.
n2thecards
Liberatore is fine if Thompson stays stretched out in Memphis.
Lanidrac
That was in only 11 games as a reliever, while his overall ERA was 5.25
n2thecards
they definitely don’t need 5 or 6 lefties in the pen. Romero, Matz, Thompson, Liberatore, Matsui. I can definitely see Matz moving to relief to maximize his health.
Lanidrac
Out of Matz, Thompson, and Liberatore, at least one of them will probably be in the rotation at any given time, and Liberatore could be in AAA at times.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
Texas should be interested in these guys for the BP instead of guys like Mahle.
Joel P
The Mahle signing made a lot more sense before the news about Scherzer came out. Now they have 3 starters coming back from injury midseason. Not sure how that works out.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
Thye announced Eovaldi’s injury the day after the Scherzer trade to keep leverage. I bet they knew if they are announcing it right after the signing.
Troy Percival's iPad
I’m surprised Reliever salaries haven’t been suppressed by Texas winning it all. They could run it back with the same guys and hope for (and probably get) better results
Slider_withcheese
After missing out on Ohtani, Yamamoto, Jung Hoo Lee, and Imanaga they’re just getting an Asian to say they got an Asian.
GrillMan89
Imanaga is still available, Yamamoto was gonna be a pipe dream for us due to the ensuing bidding war going on behind the scenes, Lee is an outfielder which the Cardinals weren’t targeting bats anyway, and Ohtani was never gonna happen for the Cardinals outside of a video game. Picking up Matsui would give us a solid arm in the back end of the pen who could float between setup duties and closing AND he isn’t subject to a posting fee. This move, if it happens, makes way more sense than you would think
ih8tepaperstraws
When did Yamamoto sign?
RandorBierd
A short term deal would be great for the Cardinals with Matsui. These Japanese relievers have a strong track record of coming over and being filthy for a year or two before the league figures them out.
spudchukar
Stereotyper!
Kelland
Like Deez & Grill note, this year Walker is def untouchable, but I can see him getting traded next year if he can’t figure out fielding AND is unable to make good adjustments at the plate – I suspect that if he improves any aspect of his game he’ll stay put another season. He is too young and promising – with some of the guys the Cards have recently let go too early I can see them being very protective of Walker.
On relief arms, I really can’t see us picking-up two quality relievers – I’d be hella happy with Matsui!
MLBTR needs to hire editors
You stink at writing, Adams. “Meanwhile” has to come at the start of a sentence; it can’t be in the middle, set off with commas.