The Braves and Red Sox got together on a major trade earlier today where Boston swapped left-hander Chris Sale and cash considerations to Atlanta in exchange for infielder Vaughn Grissom. In the aftermath of the deal’s announcement, Braves president of baseball operations Alex Anthopoulos and Red Sox chief baseball officer Craig Breslow both spoke to reporters about the deal and what’s next for their organization as 2023 comes to a close.
Anthopoulos spoke glowingly of Sale in the aftermath of the deal, describing him to reporters (including Justin Toscano of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution) as a “playoff-caliber starter” while noting that adding such a pitcher to the club’s rotation was a major goal for the Braves this offseason. With right-hander Kyle Wright having undergone shoulder surgery and been shipped to Kansas City earlier this offseason, the club had little certainty behind its front-of-the-rotation duo of Spencer Strider and Max Fried.
Veteran righty Charlie Morton figured to slot into the #3 spot in the rotation, but posted the highest full-season walk rate of his career in 2023 and celebrated his 40th birthday last month. Meanwhile, youngster Bryce Elder started the season strong but faded down the stretch with a 5.49 ERA across his final 15 starts. The addition of Sale, a seven-time All Star who posted a 3.16 ERA across his final 15 starts last season, adds an arm with potentially elite upside to the club’s mix while also bolstering the club’s overall pitching depth to help make up for the departure of Wright. As noted by The Athletic’s David O’Brien, Anthopoulos made clear that Sale is “locked” into the club’s rotation for 2024 alongside Fried, Strider, and Morton.
Of course, it can’t be ignored that Sale has managed just 31 starts over the past four years due to injuries, including Tommy John surgery. Anthopoulos acknowledged the injury concerns that come with adding the veteran lefty, but noted that “anyone you acquire, there’s risk” while also adding that “it was a shot we wanted to take” thanks in part to Anthopoulos’s strong belief in Sale’s ability and makeup.
“We think he’s an absolute perfect fit with our group,” Anthoupolos said, “We’ll get to know him and we’ll do everything we can to put him in the best position to stay healthy and have success.”
When discussing the club’s plans for the remainder of the offseason, Anthopolous remained vague, noting that the offseason has no set end point and that moves continue to happen even into Spring Training. He went on to note that the club will “keep an open mind” for the remainder of the offseason. It wouldn’t be a shock if the club was done with the heavy-lifting of its offseason at this point, as they’ve already bolstered the pitching staff with Reynaldo Lopez and traded for a starting left fielder in Jarred Kelenic in addition to the acquisition of Sale.
On the other end of the trade, Breslow called moving on from Sale “a really tough, tough decision” when speaking to reporters (including Alex Speier of the Boston Globe), particularly considering Sale’s legacy as a key piece of the club’s 2018 World Series team. At the same time, Breslow lauded Grissom for his “really strong right-handed bat” while also noting that he figures to remain under club control for the next six seasons.
“I’ve talked long about the exciting emerging core of players around whom we want to build,” Breslow said, “…we certainly count Vaughn in that group.”
Though Breslow noted that Grissom has the versatility to play all over the field, he made clear that he views the 22-year-old as the club’s everyday second baseman. That would seemingly leave veteran infielder Trevor Story poised to return to shortstop on a full-time basis. Story struggled in 43 games last season after returning from UCL surgery over the summer, but prior to that injury had a long track record as a quality, two-way shortstop that earned him a six-year, $140MM deal with the Red Sox prior to the 2022 season.
One curious aspect of the deal from Boston’s perspective is that the club has made adding to its starting rotation an explicit goal throughout the offseason, and parting ways with Sale, who in spite of his recent injuries arguably remained their highest-ceiling starter, creates an even bigger hole in their starting five. Breslow emphasized (as relayed by Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe) that the club still plans to add to its rotation even after yesterday’s signing of Lucas Giolito, and that the club views both free agency and the trade market as potential avenues for a deal. Speier relays that Breslow noted the importance of the club being willing to part with prospects in order to acquire “quality, controllable starting pitching.”
The club has recently been linked to a reunion with left-hander James Paxton while also frequently being connected to top remaining rotation arms such as Jordan Montgomery and Shota Imanaga. Of course, there are plenty of other players still available who could represent an upgrade for the club’s rotation including Marcus Stroman and Yariel Rodriguez in free agency or Dylan Cease and Shane Bieber on the trade market. A trade would likely become an even more attractive route for adding to the rotation if the club’s reported pursuit of outfielder Teoscar Hernandez winds up successful, as it would add an everyday bat to the outfield mix and make the likes of Wilyer Abreu and Ceddanne Rafaela easier to part with in trade.
Buckner
Interesting deal for both sides.
Sale helps ATL,
Grissom gets a change of scenery.
Bostonsportsforlife
hopefully his defense at 2nd holds up. he has a good bat, but we also need solid defense, which we lacked very much last season
Benjamin101677
Not sure about change of scenery; if Ron Washington with 2 years couldn’t get him average defense or better not sure that he will get better over night in Boston. If Grissom was even close to average in the infield he would have been the Braves starting short stop in 2023.
Trotski
There’s a big difference between SS and 2B, it doesn’t take that much to be a fine 2B but he’d get exposed on the left side. ATL wasn’t moving Albies for him so he became expendable.
Benjamin101677
Grissom got exposed on 2022 at second base too just a shorter time there. It was known that he showed very little range at 2b.
Rishi
Definitely a difference but not sure about “it doesn’t take that much to be a fine 2b”. But I guess maybe I should give it a try. I played some 1B in my teens. Couldn’t be that hard.
HighOnPineTar
He was also only 21 years old in 2022, jesus you armchair scouts are truly something else sometimes
MLB-1971
Trotski – Agree 100%. You can ask Kiki Hernandez if there is a difference between SS and 2B…. He was the worst defensive player in the MLB last year in Boston at SS vs an average defender at 2B….
greg1
Come on HOPT, we all know that once a player hits 21 years old that they have fully developed and there is absolutely no chance, under any circumstances, that their game will improve! 🙂
SCOTTG3
It’s extremely hard…
SCOTTG3
Go look up Acuna’s MAJOR improvement in plate patience and incredibly diminished K rate and throw that theory out.
Appalachian_Outlaw
“Exposed” seems extreme, don’t you think, Benjamin?
Prior to ’22, we’re talking about a very young player with 24 games of prior experience at 2B. I’d argue he just didn’t know the position. He probably still doesn’t, but he needs reps there to learn it and Atlanta already has a really good 2B.
Give him time. The bat plays at 2B, and I think he’ll be at least average there defensively with room to improve. He just was never going to be a SS, and Atlanta didn’t have a place for him otherwise.
BaseBall Bob
How can you question someone who played a little bit of first base in his teens?
greg1
Dude, my comment was a joke, of course I know players can improve over the years.
brandons-3
He’s still young enough to where teams have to see if he can be a regular at any position, but I think long term his best value is going to be as a highly productive utility player along the lines of Chris Taylor, Ben Zobrist or early-years Martin Prado.
Even with his poor defensive and limited power, the speed and bat-to-ball skills should help him carve out a nice career, not to mention he’s probably going to be a beloved teammate and one of the hardest workers in the clubhouse throughout his journey.
Smacky
It’s not so much a “change of scenery” as it’s getting a guy who should be playing everyday to a team where he can. The whole getting a potentially high-end starter for $500k while having a loaded bullpen that’s got the arms to cover innings is a + for them.
There’s no way Cease or Burns were getting traded to ATL without AJSS & Waldrep along with Grissom going the other way and AA not wanting to trade the pitchers since he’s going to need starters next year after Fried goes to LA and Morton retires.
labial
Coulda shoulda woulda
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Grissom will do well with the Red Sox
GASoxFan
Also makes it easier to cut bait on Mayer as part of a package for a young #1/2 level starter with at least 4 years of control remaining.
acell10
not really. there’s no way Grissom is playing SS for any amount of time. if anything it makes it easier to cut bait on Story not Mayer.
GASoxFan
Mayer comes with no guarantees and is overhyped for how slowly he has developed.
May make a better sell candidate
soxintwo
Explain how he’s been slow to develop? he has done well early on and then ran into the shoulder injury which slowed him down but I wouldn’t say he has been slow to develop. How old is he again 20?
GASoxFan
He was 4th overall pick, and has been passed by MANY other players of his and sibsequent draft classes. Next year he will be 22 years old, and was surrounded by excessive hype anointing him as a replacement to kick a near perennial all-star out of position and off the team, billing he hasn’t lived up to, ever.
As he failed to adjust to mere AA pitching, then months later (43 games!!!) He claimed the whole bit was injury related. Not buying it, and, if he was THAT injured for months and kept playing for THAT long without closing and getting treatment he’s an idiot in addition to over-hyped/over-rated.
I’m not sold on him, and, based on everything seen so far would bet money on a Vegas line that he will not be an equal to Bogey by end of both careers, which, I’d also bet Bogey will be a full-time major-leaguer for more years.
acell10
ridiculous assessment on Mayer. The injury was legitimate. whether you want to believe him or not is irrelevant. He also will be 21 next year not 22. He literally just turned 21 He was the forth youngest player at AA. you’re reaching with his age to make a point and you failed.
The passed by other players drafted after him is a ridiculous assessment especially when you consider that two of the players ranked ahead of him are older and played in college.
The injury caused a speed bump. nothing more. He’s the 10-11th ranked prospect over all in all of baseball. I’ll trust th experts over someone with an ax to grind
GASoxFan
So acell, are you claiming someone born in 2002 will not be 22 in 2024?
Check your math.
I also said next YEAR not next SEASON.
When discussing prospects, their maturity, and their makup, belief of whether they tell the truth about injuries counts, and, a player who will play 43 games injured without speaking up is an idiot for many reasons.
I stand by overhyped and overrated.
dbdmack
Mayer had a bad injury. Selling short now would be silly. The tools are there.
'Tang It
Soxintwo… Keep in mind Mayer, despite being a top prospect, is no sure thing to be a star. I’m fact some projections show him as candelario at best. I’d rather cash that chip in now personally.
acell10
he will be playing his age 21 season now and won’t be 22 until after the season.now you’re trying to weakly backpedal for being called out. he literally turned 21 two weeks ago. Nice try though.
When did he say he lied about the injury? He tried to play through it until he couldn’t and I’m sure you’d be burying him if had taken time off for not being much of a gamer and not willing to play through pain etc.
You can stand by your assessment all you want. Your sill wrong.
acell10
Tang: the no sure thing is true of any prospect. and kind of a cop out.
'Tang It
While true, this guy is being coveted as a sure thing. He is not and in fact will probably always be compared to Xander which could derail him. He has way more swing and miss than most people expected too. I do like him, but he shouldn’t be untouchable. If he gets us Logan Gilbert or someone similar, I’d do it easily.
acell10
You’re confabulating now GAsox fan. I’ve never said 90% of what you’re saying I said and unlike yourself I can admit that I’m wrong. You constantly move goalposts and refuse to admit any mistake and refuse to be object at all especially when it comes to anything related to bloom.
I look forward to mayer being successful because that means the sox will be successful but I’m sure that didn’t occur to you. What I am sure of is that when Mayer does meet those lofty expectations you’ll find some weak meaningless excuse to not give him credit because you’re incapable of admitting that Bloom maybe got something right every once in a while
GASoxFan
Acell, that’s flat wrong. I’ve given bloom credit for the rare move he got right, of which there was few and far between. I’ve also owned up to the rare times I was wrong. Problem is so little of it was right, to a point you have to credit luck more than skill in his moves and trades and just acknowlege the few that worked out while pointing out the plethora of failures…
You can be objective and admit a dislike and disdain for something/someone’s performance.
Also, you did say those things through the bloom years, those of us regulars in the redsox threads know what we know.
Poolhalljunkies
He turned 22 less than two weeks ago..some kids need a little time to figure it out ..dont forget he played hurt most of 2023 and was moving along fine prior..so seriously sick of this mayer being labeled overhyped and a bust..what were you doing on your 22nd birthday?
steelerbravenation
Happy for all your success but comparing your hard work to developing a skill is not the same thing. He can be the hardest worker in the world but still be incapable of making adjustments.
Baseball is a game of failure. The biggest skill needed is the ability to bounce back and put your last at bat behind you as fast as possible. The guys who can do that the best are the most successful.
Melchez17
Mayer was drafted out of high school. He’s had 2 seasons in the system. He will be playing AA ball at 21. I wouldn’t give up on him yet.
As far as some top prospects don’t make it? Sure, many don’t. Many do also. Many late round picks make it… Many don’t.
Tigers3232
@GA, next season will be his age 21 baseball season. His birthday was just a few weeks ago, you are trying to spin that to back the narrative you are pushing.
You are making one massive assumption that he never informed anyone of the injury. He very well could have just dismissed as soreness. By no means a stretch to think a 20 yr old would think they could play through am injury, at that age most young men think they re immortal.
Sorry but everything you have said seems highly subjective.
Tigers3232
So GASOX you did coursework, exams, and dissertation in 2 years for your PHD?? Seems a bit embellished to anyone who knows what a PHD entails and the actual timeline….
stymeedone
He may not hit like XB, but hopefully he won’t be as poor a SS as XB. At SS, defense matters. XB may play the position due to his ego, but he’s never been a SS. If he was a Team first player, Kim would be at SS, Cronenworth at 2B, and he’d be wearing a 1B glove.
labial
We cone back to this in 2029and it’s the pie on your face.
Mayer = FLOP
GASoxFan
Actually Tigers, yes, and almost yes.
I was a dual-enrollment in high school in New England and racked up plenty of college credit, but, worked a career for family reasons.
This coupled with what was possible / enabled via an embedded masters program using the free electives becoming not-so-free by targeting them, and, eliminated the need for GMAT and such that slow people down, while accelerating the timeline.
The doctorate took 2 and a half years. I didn’t hit a 3rd birthday due to how calendars fell.
Ambitious? Yes. Impossible? No. But if you budget time and play your cards right you can do things faster, assuming you do summer semester courses, lots of stuff to get things moving. But then again, being older than most of the rest of the cohort is a double edged sword. Less time socially enjoying yourself due to being at a different point in life, more getting stuff done.
As some guys here like to point out, finishing something at age 30yrs 11 mo and 29 days is still age 30 in their eyes. So, it doesn’t mean 2 years and zero months to do something either
GASoxFan
Hey, the team signed him as a SS…
Seamaholic
They’re unrelated. Grissom is not a SS. He can play there but he’s not a great defender anywhere and you would definitely not want to put him at short as his main position. They definitely still want Mayer as their SS of the future.
GASoxFan
Story has 4 years left on his deal and isn’t bringing back much in trade at his salary, but, can go back and stick to his position at SS. Grissom can play 2B, and takes up the spot you would move Story to if you tried playing Mayer at SS, a promotion he has far from earned with his slow development thus far.
acell10
No one is saying that Mayer should be the starting short stop next year but it seems pretty obvious you were looking for any reason to bury him.
GASoxFan
Don’t need to look far for that acell.
You like the prospect. I don’t.
I say sell high for controllable SP front of rotation #1/2 as part of a package that carries 4 or more season fof control while you can.
acell10
obviously you aren’t looking very far because your analysis is pretty weak as are your reasons for disliking him. That’s all
'Tang It
I don’t dislike Mayer like gasoxfan, but I do think he’s worth a fair bit right now in trade and he’s unlikely to be more than a decent regular. High likelihood he never makes it at all TBH. Id play the percentages and fill a need we have currently which is young starting pitching. Story is under contract and I’m confident that raphaela could at least be a good defensive short stop if we needed him to be. We can afford to cash in Mayer
Trollfree
GASoxFan – Acell10 hates facts.
Both Witt and CJ Abrams drafted in nearly the same spot the year before have 200 or more games played in the majors and Witt has 300. Mayer is struggling at AA. All were HS shortstops drafted in the first six picks of their respective drafts.
There is no guarantee Mayer is good. He was picked by Bloom who was wrong about nearly EVERYTHING he did. None of his picks have blossomed except Anthony. He’s the star of the future that Mayer was supposed to be. So is Rafaela and even Abreu is ranked higher than Mayer by ROTOWIRE who ranks based on performance not hype.
Moving both Mayer and Yorke are smart moves. Along with Jordan and a few others. This team is deplete of all-stars. Hopefully Devers will make a comeback and raise his OPS+ back over 140 which is tier two stardom not tier 1.. Mookie is a Tier 1 star, the guy Boston should have signed instead of Devers to a long term contract.
acell10
no KD17 you have no connection to facts or reality especially when it comes Mayer. Your anti bloom bias is clouding your judgement as it always does and now you’re admitting as much. Your Abrams/Witt comparison is incredibly flawed and the fact that you’re using rotowire (a fantasy baseball site not less) to make your point proves how weak your argument is.
acell10
Tang: I believe that was directed at me however how you get to decent regular for his ceiling is way too short sighted.
GASoxFan
TF – off topic of sorts but as you mention mookie, I called mookie leaving town when JDM was being pursued and the contract being reworked once we saw the salary being thrown around. He wanted more money than JDM as he was a better player, but, I knew it would never happen.
Bogey should’ve, and would’ve, gotten a legitimate extension offer had Mayer not been over touted and over rated. All bloom ever offered was to convert the $20m option year to vested and tack $10m onto the total deal. That was the 1yr/30m slap in the face.
You’re right that some assets need to be cashed in on to better the club. I don’t know if it’s urgent that all need to be this year, although you do need to do so before they lose stock because of struggles so it’s a fine line.
Benefit to waiting until next offseason is ideally you acquire a player with more control for the mlb club, but, if someone has enough seasons left, ideally 4-6 right now, then it’s still OK. 2 seasons is a waste, since ’24 is a rebuilding bridge year to set up for ’25.
HighOnPineTar
Acell, gonna have to agree with you over GA here for sure. These emotional scouting reports are simply way off… as a SoxFan that has watched Mayer live quite a bit in person and online, he’s definitely got generational franchise SS tools and there’s no ifs about it. I would likely trade him in a deal for a young controlled ace because of our infield depth, but such a deal likely doesnt exist right now and to trade him for a veteran short-term arm like Cease or Bieber would be a colossal mistake
all in the suit that you wear
GA: Mayer made it to AA at age 20. That is definitely not slow development. He injured his shoulder right before the promotion to AA and kept trying to play through it. It has not been an easy injury to recover from. He had a set back in his rehab in November.
bosoxinjection.com/posts/top-red-sox-prospect-suff…
GASoxFan
Suit – to me it is slow because of how he was touted and the moves that were made based on expectations for him at the time.
By age 20 Bogey had been called up. At age 21 Bogey played a full season in MLB. By 22 he won a SS. By 23, an AS and another SS. And Mayer was touted as better than Bogey and the reason Bogey was to be expendable.
The expectations were set, and the scouting department and front office set them based on what they told us. Mayer has been slow to meet those expectations, and thus, to me, he’s been slower to develop than he should’ve been.
His official injury is listed as an amorphous shoulder impingement, without a real cause defined. At least not that Ive ever seen. I’ve had a shoulder impingement, but, they had a defined cause for it.
I think there may be more to the injury than is being released, particularly to keep the hyped prospect status intact. And I also stand by the evaluation questioning him for trying to relate everything back to playing through something incurred in a-ball. Failing to report the injury for a good 2 months is a problem for many reasons, beyond using it as an excuse for trouble adjusting to pitching. He was slow to adjust to prior level jumps too, and, that questions his ability to adjust quickly and continuously to mlb hurler adjusting to him imo.
I haven’t seen anything yet to make me see him as what he’s been touted to be, amd don’t see him as the sure thing generational talent he’s been called either.
stymeedone
Mookie refused to sign with Boston. They tried. He said NO!
Enough with revisionist history.
all in the suit that you wear
GA: Mayer discusses the injury in high A here:
nbcsportsboston.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/marcelo-may…
Next season we will see what a healthy Mayer can do in AA. That will tell us a lot.
I.M. Insane
That was my first thought. That the deal frees up the possibility of Boston dealing Mayer or Yorke for pitching. Maybe packaging one of them with Houck or Crawford.
Benjamin101677
Grissom wasn’t a fit for Atlanta with his below average defense. Even in 2022 when he played second for Atlanta he put up below average defense. Could be a long year defensively for Boston as Trevor’s Story doesn’t rate high defensively either. A lot of grounds balls may get through against Boston.
For Atlanta it is not a huge gamble getting rid of a prospects who wasn’t in their future plans while getting a solid pitcher if he can stay healthy. Atlanta has 2-3 pitching prospects who are knocking on the door for major league starts which will allow the Braves to give Sale extra rest. If Sale returns to form and has a solid 2024 season then his 2025 option is reasonable priced and allows insurance should Max Fried leave via free agency and Charlie Morton retire.
I prefer this gamble for Atlanta instead of giving up 2-3 pitching prospects for a Dylan Cease.
soxintwo
Story has always been one of the top, defensive shortstops. How is it that he’s considered below average now? Is that your opinion? I don’t know where the narrative came from, but his arm looks strong last year when he came back, and he fields very well let’s not make stuff up.
FletcherFan69
“Story doesn’t rate high defensively either”
Story has been one of the most valuable defenders in the league on a per inning basis. He had the highest fielding success rate added and was 8th in OAA among shortstops despite playing a quarter of the season. UZR had him worth 1 dWAR. In 2022, he was 3rd in OAA among 2B
Yankee Clipper
I think one component of this trade that many are overlooking is that Atlanta likely moved on from Cease and the WSox astronomical asking price. Although possible, I don’t see AA following through with a prospect-heavy trade now for Cease. Either way, we saw this with Freeman-Olson last season too, when they moved on from Freeman. AA is an excellent GM, imho.
Now, is that a good thing for Boston? Perhaps if they reallocate funds to Snell, Monty, or another more viable option for the org. Is it a good thing for Atlanta? Seems to be a good fit but time will tell if AA made a genius move, or took an unsuccessful risk.
This will also eventually impact Getz asking price for Cease, imho.
steelerbravenation
Cease might be a FA priority for Atlanta when his contract is up
SCOTTG3
He’ll be exposed as a good platoon/bench player only who has more value with prospect status than an actual everyday mlb player.
southi
Very excited about the upside for Atlanta.
I.M. Insane
Best part for the Braves is that Sale doesn’t have to be the anchor. He can be a supporting member of the staff. They get 25 starts and 10 wins out of Sale, it’s a huge boost.
JoeBrady
It’s a great fit for both teams. The players still have to perform, but I like it.
GASoxFan
With ohtani and ‘moto off the board the trade market and mid-level players thawed out a good bit.
We’re getting the first glimpses of how Breslow will embark on the rebuild the club badly needs in the wake of the bloom years.
If he can/will be decisive in paying for controllable talent it will be a good sign, but if be buys guys with only 2 seasons of club control remaining without requiring reaching an extension as a requirement for the trade to go through, that will be a negative.
dasit
i’ve got a feeling that one of cease or beiber will be pitching for boston next year
GASoxFan
I hope to see neither. Cease is over-priced by a lot, and lacks enough club control for the price.. you require an extension before the trade is finalized, then maybe, depending on the salary costs to get that done. Beiber lacks the control to be worth the deal and has declined a good bit, too much risk to be worth extending.
'Tang It
If bieber is cheap, I definitely make that move. If they want something like Crawford, and Yorke. I’d do that for sure.
Bruin1012
No way I’d trade Kutter for Bieber straight up. Crawford looked pretty good last year and has a good chance to continue to improve. Bieber is showing loss in velocity the last two years and is controlled for one year only maybe you trade an outfielder for him besides I doubt Cleveland wants another infielder I doubt they are interested in Yorke.
steelerbravenation
Verdugo for Bieber was a perfect match but they chose to send him to the Yankees for some odd reason
dasit
2024 is a weird year for you guys. 2025 seems to be the full-throttle year but there’s a world where bello/casas/rafaela take big steps forward and suddenly that 1 starter breslow didn’t get feels critical
Redsoxx_62
Rafaela will most definitely not be part of a package for Bieber. He’s got one year of control remaining, there’s no way you give up a top prospect for one year of a SP with middling numbers
Joel P
Didn’t the Red Sox just trade Sale for a top prospect in Grissom? Yes Rafaela is better but it was a similar type of trade.
Old York
Very interesting trade. Sale, while not his dominate 2017-2019 self, based on his ERA and Forecasted Run Average from 2021-2022, he slightly overperformed but last year, he underperformed.
ERA:
2021: 3.16
2022: 3.18
FRA
2021: 3.47
2022: 3.73
His 2023 FRA showed he underperformed with an ERA of 4.29 and an FRA of 3.69.
He’s not going to be the dominate pitcher he was earlier in his career but I can see some positive regression to his somewhere around 3.60 to 4.00 ERA next year if he remains healthy. That’s pretty serviceable.
Vaughn Grissom looks like a pretty reliable player for the Sox. Hitting .330 in AAA and a regression factor of 18%, brings him in line with his .270-.280 BA, and wOBA around .320, which can be used as a predictive metric for future success. A lot of potential there and he’s only 22.
fitted54
Advice to the Braves keep Sale away from all bicycles……Red Sox fans know what I mean
SI
Speier relays that Breslow noted the importance of the club being willing to part with prospects in order to acquire “quality, controllable starting pitching.”
That eliminates Seattle.
bake
Are the redsox better than last year? Destined for another last place finish
GASoxFan
So far I’d say yes, to both.
Bloom left the club a mess. Breslow has been paring away players on expiring deals he knew he wouldn’t want back to gain superior assets in return, that have more control. Young pitching upgraded for verdugo, and a young infielder for Sale.
The kind of decisive moves Bloom wasn’t making.
'Tang It
I like what breslow has done so far, but it is concerning that it appears ownership is really putting the clamps on him as well. I’m not one to want to spend big on free agents that typically bust, but being unwilling at all is a different animal.
MARLIN POWER 18
Vaughn Grissom has All-Star caliber potential. The Marlins, looking for an upgrade at SS, were interested but reluctant to deal one of their top starters to a division rival like Atlanta. So for us, it wasn’t meant to be. Good deal for Boston, though. I’ve seen him play. He’s for real – a serious impact player.
Benjamin101677
Please share you source that the Marlins were interested in Vaugh Grissom? I watch many teams podcasts and never heard that.
Grissom was not considered by many to be a headliner for any trade package as his defense in 2022 at 2b and short time at 2023 at shortstops were considered sub par. His future was being described as a utility type player as his defense was not good enough for an infield spot full time and his bat didn’t play enough power to mean moving him to the outfield.
You don’t think if he had all star potential with his bat that Atlanta won’t have kept him him in left field and saved the millions of dead money on contracts related to the Kelenic.
Grissom took the baseball world by storm in 2022 but then when he was exposed with below average division. Very few trades do Atlanta really give up major talent and loose trades. The Oakland Athletics can testify to that neither the Matt Olson nor Shawn Murphy trades netted the Athletics anything of major value.
JoeBrady
he was exposed with below average division.
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He had 75 ABs this year. It isn’t a high enough sample size to draw any conclusions.
steelerbravenation
I don’t see the Marlins really ever having interest in Grissom because Grissom is not a SS. But his only fault at 2B was he is not Ozzie Albies.
Grissom played SS all through the lower minors but it became apparent that he was better suited for 2B & he was never supplanting Ozzie.
Atlanta doesn’t play the game of keeping a guy and moving him around. He projects as a 2B therefore he will be traded to a team in need of a 2B and use what he brings in return to fill a hole.
Atlanta is a win now team and don’t have the luxury of giving him the chance to learn the position on the fly at the major league level.
As far as the A’s trades go they clearly went with quantity over quality in both trades. And the jury is still out on both of those deals in a sense. There are guys who are still on a position to turn it around for the A’s and their disfunction of a franchise.
AL B DAMNED
I, CRAIG BRESLOW OF THE BOSTON RED SOX WILL SELL CHRIS SALE AS-IS AT A $17M DISCOUNT TO BRAVES!
I, ALEX ANTHOPOLIS OF THE ATLANTA BRAVES GIVE YOU VAUGHN GRISSOM AS-IS IN EXCHANGE FOR $17M TO THE RED SOX!
I ROBERT D. MANFRED JR., APPROVE THIS TRADE OF SALE AND GRISSOM!
GENTLEMEN, GOOD LUCK, SHAKE HANDS AND HAIL TO THE DODGERS..MY PERSONAL FAVORITE!
teddyballgame
I find this trade to be a breath of fresh air. Thank god for some actual movement and attempt to make this team better long term. Haters are gonna hate though.
sacrifice
Homerun for both teams..
Red Sox are rebuilding whether you want to hear it or not.
Braves are a Chris Sale away.
dbdmack
Sale had some strong outings at the end of the year. The last two injuries were freak injuries on a bike and a comebacker to the mound. I can see him bouncing back in Atlanta.
Boston has no left hander in the rotation which means it is either Paxton or Mongtomery.
stymeedone
Why not both? Paxton will be cheap.
jjdunckley
Well, he either turns into Atlanta’s next Charlie Morton or the next Cole Hamels.
As a Braves fan, I hope it works out but am not a fan of the move
steelerbravenation
This trade is telling me that the Braves are extremely high on Waldrep & AS-S.
They would not budge on moving either to get Cease.
Sale will more than likely miss time but that’s ok you still got Vines & Ynoa as depth & Isn Anderson coming back at some time.
Fried, Morton & Sale will all more than likely need to be replaced next year so my guess Waldrep, Vines & Anderson will with AS-S coming full time in 25.
fba0017
Love all the talent evaluations about Grissom’s defense on here. All these “scouts” who haven’t seen him play trying to regurgitate everything they have read!
tangerinepony
Not bad but I really thought the Braves would’ve tried to swing a trade for Burnes
CeruleanDrew
Pony, I think most would agree that this Sox/Braves trade came out of nowhere. A shocker. Most of the reason for that is because AA is notorious for secrecy in these trade discussions. So consider that when you mention thinking “the Braves would’ve tried to swing a trade for Burnes”. I feel certain that AA considered all possibilities in acquiring rotation pieces but had lines he would not cross if it entailed giving up his top ranked pitching prospects. Much less multiple prospects. Just sayin’.
steelerbravenation
Have faith in AA. He has needed to fill holes before and kept guys like Harris & Strider when they could have been used to fill those holes but he relented because he foresaw what they could become.
AS-S & Waldrep are obviously talent he is not willing to move because their long term for them far outweigh what they bring for the short term.
I believe if both will become Top 20 prospects by the end of the year. Waldrep replacing Morton in 25 in the rotation & AS-S making the move to full time rotation fixture in 26 replacing Sale.
With Ozuna, Fried & Morton coming off the books next year & Wheeler being a possible FA I could see the Braves making a run @ replacing Fried with him.
Fried and his desire to get back to the WC is the worst kept secret in baseball he will be reuniting with Wash in LA next year.
stymeedone
@T-Pony
Who’s to say they didn’t try to trade for Burnes? I would expect the price to be high, since Milwaukee isn’t looking to rebuild, and needs him to contend.
gregoire
Sale waives his no trade clause and leaves the dumpster fire to burn.
BoomersOwnEverything
AA and the medical staff must think Sale is back to 80+% health wise.
Missing 4 years of starts is huge, and I don’t over-value Grissom.
If he’s “locked-in”, then it’s an easy win for both teams.
The Big Yo
Paul Blackburn for Ceddane Rafeala straight swap. Go A’s
steelerbravenation
And for the record I think Grissom will be a star and teams like the White Sox & Brewers Wil be kickin themselves in the ass for not pulling trades for him with either Burnes or Ceaae instead of trying to hold out for crazy demands. I think the Mariners will be kicking themselves in the ass as well because I am sure they could have had Grissom as well if they were willing to part with Hancock.
tommy-9
As a Braves fan I absolutely hate this trade. I think the BRaves fans that are happy about it look at Sale with rose colored glasses. We already have enough dead broken arms that we dont need to roll the dice on a 34 year old one. We could of got a much more valuable arm for Grissom, one that actually works and one that isnt costing a ton of money
blindsided789
If they could have gotten a more valuable arm for him, then they would have. Sale has the benefit of not costing a lot money-wise in addition to not a huge talent return. The Braves just don’t have a lot of prospect talent to trade right now.
I like Vaughn a lot, and I think this is a fair trade for both sides also as a Braves fan.
steelerbravenation
The money is irrelevant $10 million you are not finding anyone with a pulse cheaper
Grissom was blocked by Albies and if he stayed on the roster as a utility player his value would drop because he would be exposed defensively at multiple positions.
There is no way you would have gotten a TOR arm from anyone without adding Waldrep & or AS-S to the package with Grissom.
Now if you wanna make the argument that trading Albies and keeping Grissom would have gotten a better return long & short term I could understand but I don’t believe any true Brave fan would want to see Albies go under any circumstance.
I think multiple teams would have jumped at the opportunity to acquire Albies.
I think AA woulda had to think long & hard at a George Kirby for Albies offer but still would rather pass.
Sale for the luxury tax cost & his actual cost is a risk worth taking in my opinion.
He will at the very least pitching to get his option picked up if not pitching to catch an extension.
The regular season if he gives 25-30 starts and is ready for the post season I think any Brave fan would jump at.
100% behind this trade.
Braves83
“We already have enough dead broken arms that we dont need to roll the dice on a 34 year old one. ”
AA already cut bait with Soroka, Wright, Allard, Chrinos, Nick Anderson, and others.
Ian Anderson will be back about the all star game. Is he the broken down arm? Or is it Matzek? Or Lee? Or Ynoa? All of these guys are young(ish) with upside.
“We could of got a much more valuable arm for Grissom, one that actually works and one that isn’t costing a ton of money.”
Any idea who you are speaking of specifically? You obviously value Grissom, great. Where would he play in Atlanta? Kelenic is a 5 tool guy they invested in. He may or may not be the answer but Grissom is not built for the outfield.
All the GM’s in baseball knew Grissom is out of position in Atlanta. Grissom would probably (except for a bad injury) never get enough playing time in the infield to establish himself enough to qualify for a top of the rotation arm you are alluding to.
When right Sale has extreme upside. Sale is to be the 4th starter for most of the season. They are buying time for either AJSS or Waldrep to take over for Elder half way through the season. Is there a world where Wright pitches 10-12 starts and then pitches the last two months of the season into the post season. Sale could be a no 3 in the post season depending on how Morton is doing. Could the Braves have used a Sale type this last post season? Sale would be well worth the 500 k they are paying him this year and whatever they put in the deferals bucket (6.8 I think). Is there another starter out there with the upside of Sale for Grissom only? No.
I think the rose colored glasses are worn by you.