Much of the focus of the Twins’ offseason thus far has been on their intent to scale back payroll amid the collapse of their RSN deal with Diamond Sports Group/Bally Sports, and potential trades of veterans like Jorge Polanco, Max Kepler, Kyle Farmer and Christian Vazquez. However, while all of those storylines remain valid, the Twins’ desire to reduce payroll doesn’t preclude them from spending at all. Minnesota has a projected payroll of about $125MM right now and figures to end up in the $125-135MM range. Trades of Kepler ($10MM salary in 2024), Polanco ($10.5MM), Farmer ($6.6MM projected salary) and/or Vazquez ($10MM) could leave them with room for some spending.
To that end, it’s worth highlighting that both Bobby Nightengale of the Minneapolis Star Tribune and Dan Hayes of The Athletic have written this week that the Twins expect to add at least one starting pitcher this winter. That’s not likely to be a top-of-the-market name but rather someone to compete with Louie Varland for the final spot in the rotation, Nightengale suggests. Minnesota also hopes to bring in a second veteran arm (if not more) on a minor league deal, Hayes adds.
As it stands, even with the departures of Sonny Gray and Kenta Maeda, Minnesota has a respectable front five. Pablo Lopez, Joe Ryan, Bailey Ober, Chris Paddack and the aforementioned Varland are currently at the top of the depth chart, with minor league arms like Simeon Woods Richardson, Brent Headrick and yet-to-debut prospects David Festa and Matt Canterino (who missed the 2023 season due rehabbing from 2022 Tommy John surgery) next in line.
It’s a nice group of arms, but Paddack figures to be on an innings count in his first full season back from his second career Tommy John surgery. He looked excellent in 8 2/3 innings of bullpen work late in the regular season and during the playoffs, but overall he pitched just 18 1/3 frames between his minor league rehab stint, brief regular-season return, and that playoff showing. He pitched 22 1/3 innings the year prior.
The Twins don’t yet know how many innings they can count on from Paddack, but it’ll surely be fewer than his career-high 140 2/3 frames. Even reaching 100 frames would have to be considered a success, given his recent lack of innings. All four of their other starters topped 140 innings in 2023 (Triple-A time for Varland and Ober included), but the Twins can’t presume each of Lopez, Ryan, Ober and Varland will be healthy enough for 30-plus appearances for a second straight season in 2024 (again, including Triple-A time for the latter two). They’re also losing a combined 288 1/3 innings from the departures of Gray and Maeda.
Even if the Twins can safely be crossed off the list of expected suitors for Blake Snell, Jordan Montgomery and the like, there are plenty of experienced arms who could slot into the mix in the final two rotation spots. A veteran like Wade Miley would provide steady innings on a short-term deal. The Twins could also pursue an upside/rebound play like Jack Flaherty or Frankie Montas, the latter of whom they targeted in trades a couple years back. On the lower end of the salary spectrum, the Twins’ existing depth makes them a reasonable candidate to roll the dice on former top prospect and reigning KBO MVP Erick Fedde, who’s eyeing a possible MLB return. In general, it’s a deep class of free-agent pitchers. It’s also plausible that they could acquire a younger back-of-the-rotation candidate in a deal involving one of those previously mentioned trade candidates, simultaneously bolstering depth and scaling back payroll in the process.
The Twins probably aren’t going to be major free-agent players this offseason, as they’ve been in the past couple winters, but between their pursuit of some additional innings/rotation depth and president of baseball operations Derek Falvey’s recent acknowledgment that he’ll likely explore the first base market, Minnesota could still be active in the middle and lower tiers of free agency — in addition to their expected activity on the trade market.
Probably interested in a reunion with Keuchel or Mad Bum!
Fenway – Twins should sign either Hill or Kluber, preferably both. They will be very cheap and if they pitch well the first couple months of the season they can be traded for a prospect.
Why would the Twins trade away players for prospects midseason if they’re expecting to compete for a playoff spot again?
Give them their choice of prospects, either you or me. It’s about what those two pitchers are worth. I’m 69 with a bad shoulder. You could be the’real get’ in the whole thing.
Fever- can’t lie, anybody is better than kluber! He is cooked!!
Really odd take. Both those guys look cooked, and the Twins are contenders. Fedde on a Nick Martinez 2021 type deal isn’t a bad play.
I know. I was kidding but the twins want to cut payroll so bad that it isn’t impossible
I don’t see them making a splash. Fedde seems like the perfect candidate.
Join the crowd with other teams wanting established pitchers…..
Don’t worry about the Angels competing for any pitching. Apparently we are building our coaching staff this year. Next year we will add players to be coached.
Matz
Mariners and twins seem to be perfect trade partners. Mariners have a history of taking in vets on expiring deals, and the twins would like a Marco type to eat innings… it wouldn’t be shocking to see Kepler and Jorge dealt for a Marco and Hancock/Woo.
Love,
a twins fan living in Seattle
Twin’s and M’s match up for a possible trade. Polanco and Kepler would fill some holes for Seattle and Bryce Miller or Woo along with a couple of prospect in the 12-20 range to Minnesota.
You’re dreaming
I like that match
Polanco & Kepler for Woo & Trammel ????
I don’t see them wanting Trammel
I think one of Woo/Miller straight up for one of Polanco/Kepler would be a great deal for both teams. Mariners get a solid bat at a position of need without spending tons of money (something they’re allergic to), Twins get a young and cheap starter with upside to build their rotation around.
Woo is worth way more than either Polanco or Kepler. He might be worth more than both of them combined.
I don’t think the Mariners are interested in parting with Woo, but even if they were, why would Polanco be a target when they have Rojas and Caballero?
Kepler is probably better than Kelenic or Marlowe, so that does make some sense. The Twins would need to sweeten that a lot.
@Martras – Rojas is better at 3B. Cabellero is a bench piece. I am still trying to figure out why M’s traded for Urias, he seems to be no better than Wong/La Stella from last year. I was pretty stoked for Wong but he showed nothing.
Whole lot of words to say nothin’ new…
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Better run, run, run
Run, run away
Say something once, why say it again?
It’s pretty obvious they will be in the running for Yamamoto…
Toots Yamamoto of the Maruchan Ramen Noodles league, that is.
That was pretty good lol
Hmm, wonder why they didn’t bring back Maeda? Tiger fans would have you believe he’s a great SP and that he was available for a steal.
“why they didn’t bring back Maeda?”
Maeda signed for $24M, that is out of Twins price range. They are trying to reduce payroll. The starters they’re in the market for will come with a lot smaller price tag.
24 million is a steal though! That’s slanderous.
Maeda is also 35, has dealt with injuries the last couple of years, and he’s been roughly league average even at his peak. I think the Twins would prefer some younger, cheaper, and healthier starters with upside.
Younger? Cheaper? Healthier? And more up side? Like who are you thinking?
I have heard that the Twins want to wait until later in the off season to add pitching. I have no source on that thought other than some things I have heard on this site. It could be that they could afford Maeda, it was just too early for them to sign him with other question marks on the team.
I wouldn’t trust Levine and Falvey to babysit my dog, let alone figure their way out of this ridiculous scenario they’ve created. Buxton and Correa, what, about $50m per season combined in the years ahead. They’re screwed. Analytics stuff is nuts. They’re R2DT and Threecpio.
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Twins have the prospects to make a deal. Question is, will Getz trade within the division.
Barely. The Twins’ valuable prospects list is awfully short.
No it is not.
@Baseball Bob
Yeah, it really is.
*Walker Jenkins
*Brooks Lee.
*Crickets.
No other consensus top 100 prospects in the system atm. Next on the list depends on who you ask. Rodriguez and his drop off in speed and sky high strikeout rate projection or Festa and his fastball heat but inability to hit the strike zone.
@Hemlock
How do you do the bold font? I need to know‼️
Use b and then /b
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Thank you but my computer keyboard is out of commission so I’m using the iPhone for now.
Huh?
It works on the phone, too.
I can’t type the actual code because the website turns it into the actual bold.
It’s < less than symbol, b, and greater than symbol
Then just end the tag with a /b inside the less than/greater than symbols
Easy like so. Now you try.
I’ll keep trying. Thanks‼️
Time to shuffle thru the scrap heap
Well if Thor doesn’t sign with the Pirates, the Twins can take a crack at him.
I doubt it. Syndergaard lost his velocity and he hasn’t really been serviceable.
And he’ll still probably get ten million.
Nobody even claimed him or signed him after the Guardians DFA’d him on 8/27. He was released on 8/30, when he was still eligible for the playoffs and nobody even wanted him at the MLB minimum at that point.
The signals there are MiLB contract with opt out likely.
I would hope so for Twins fans sake. They lost 2/5 of their rotation.
Problem w twins trading any of those guys is that they are bargains already. Then you have to replace their production.
Twins will have to wait til stove cools down and try to make a few clever signings. They seem like a 3rd place team in worst division in baseball and doubt they can get much better
It seems like the Twins need a top of the rotation guy but don’t want to pay top of the rotation prices.
Montas
Bauer
Flaherty
Ryu
Paxton
Those are guys that have varying levels of potential to deliver more than their contracts. Risky of course but that’s why they are affordable.
Looks like the rotation of an expansion team to me.
Ryu 1/under 10 looks real good
Bauer or Montas would be fits.
The twins are one of the last teams I’d expect to sign bauer if any team even does. In my observation and understanding the twins value and cultivate a particular image and emphasize a particular team culture. I can’t recall a time where the twins have acquired a player with a reputation for being a disruptive clubhouse presence or a known and significant history of off field issues. Plenty of other budget options out there in free agency or for trade and I just don’t see the twins taking on the pr issues that come with bauer.
Twins need to add some bats as well. Maybe two-for-one with Ohtani and then add in Yamamoto and Soto. That should be a decent offseason.
Two offseasons in a row of courting Correa and making trades for starting pitching raised the bar on our expectations
Hmm, the Jays and Twins make sense for a trade here. A package of Kepler and Polanco to the Jays for Manoah and Kendry Rojas, an up and coming Jays pitching prospect. Rojas has a 55 FB and Slider and projects to be ready in 25. Manoah is pre-arbitration with 4 years of control. Jays get 1 yr of Kepler and 1 yr of Polanco who has an option year. Fits both teams needs. Jays need an above average OF who can hit and play defense, which Kepler does well. And a veteran IF in Polanco who can cover 3B for a year while the Jays top prospects like Martinez, Barger etc get a full year of AAA to push their way onto the major league team for 24-25. Manoah is recovered from his injuries and would greatly benefit from a change of venue and if he is right, is a dominant SP. Rojas is rising fast through the system and could be an impact starter in 25. Thoughts?
Polanco can’t effectively cover 3B, though. Blue Jays fans and their front office probably know that after watching Polanco TRY to cover 3rd in the playoffs. Polanco has like a 45 grade arm. Could move some stuff around if they wanted Polanco at 2B.
That said, I don’t think the Blue Jays would cough up 3 pitchers like that.
A Michael Wacha-type could fit in well.
They could also try to trade for Corbin Burnes. A package led by Brooks Lee could be enticing. Lee wouldn’t be easy to give up, but he also doesn’t really have a spot to play in Minnesota.
FO is very high on Lee. If he moves, it’s for a controllable starter, not a Burnes rental.
Wacha is going to cost more than Maeda, I suspect.
Twins plan on a 3 man rotation with an outfielder pitching every other day.
Still better than Bundy/Archer
ADFD
If this report is true and the Pohlads are directing a cut to $125MM, that’d be brutal in the face of last season. It does make some sense based on the Twins moves thus far and the speculation.
That said, the team’s projected payroll at the moment is only $119MM. Cutting the salaries of Kepler, Polanco and Farmer would net about $27MM in savings, putting Minnesota at about $90MM. That’d give the Twins $35MM of capacity to add so dumpster diving hardly seems necessary.
In any case, as constructed, the rotation would drop from a top 3 to a bottom 10 rotation in MLB. A true catastrophe.
Thanks Twinkies for handing the Division over to the Tigers! Appreciate it.
I like your optimism but This is TWINS TERRITORY!!!