The Twins anticipate scaling back player payroll this offseason, president of baseball operations Derek Falvey told reporters at the GM Meetings (link via Bobby Nightengale of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune). The Twins opened the 2023 season with an estimated $154MM figure, according to Cot’s Baseball Contracts — about $20MM north of the previous organizational high.
“We’ve pushed our payroll to heights that we had never pushed it before with the support, certainly, of ownership,” Falvey said Tuesday. “We know there is some natural ebb and flow to that. Will it be where it was last year? I don’t expect that. I expect it less than that.”
Unsurprisingly, Minnesota’s front office leader declined to go on record with a specific spending target. However, Dan Hayes of the Athletic reports that the Opening Day number could land somewhere between $125MM and $140MM.
It’s not entirely surprising, as Falvey had alluded to a potential spending cut last month. At the time, he pointed to the club’s uncertain local television rights fees amidst the ongoing bankruptcy of Diamond Sports Group, the corporation that runs the Bally Sports networks. The Twins are one of 14 teams that had an agreement with Diamond. Minnesota is still without a resolution on its 2024 in-market broadcasts, as its previous local rights deal expired at the end of the season.
Nevertheless, it’ll be disappointing news for a fanbase just a month removed from celebrating an AL Central title and the end of an 18-game postseason losing streak. The Twins have a little over $90MM in guaranteed commitments after exercising options on Max Kepler and Jorge Polanco to start the offseason. MLBTR’s Matt Swartz projects around $20MM in salaries for the group of arbitration-eligible players. Minimum salary players to fill out the roster bring their current projection to roughly $120MM.
However, that includes a $6.6MM arbitration projection for potential non-tender candidate Kyle Farmer. Hayes writes that Minnesota plans to explore trade possibilities on Farmer, who had a solid first year in Minneapolis. Acquired from the Reds last winter, he hit .256/.317/.408 over 369 trips to the plate. While that’s quality production for a multi-positional infielder, Minnesota got even better play out of minor league signee Willi Castro.
The Twins also have Polanco as an option to bounce between second and third base, which are likely to be manned by Edouard Julien and Royce Lewis to begin the year. With Castro and Nick Gordon also on hand, Farmer could find himself on the outside looking in. If the Twins can’t find a trade partner, they’d need to decide by November 17 whether to tender him a contract.
Of course, Polanco or Kepler could be trade possibilities themselves. Nothing prevents Minnesota from dealing either player after exercising the option. While Polanco is part of a crowded infield, Kepler is one of a number of left-handed hitting outfielders. They’re both key contributors to the lineup, so the Twins don’t figure to give either player away. They’d each have appeal were Minnesota to put them on the trade market, however. That’s especially true of Polanco, who is arguably better than any middle infielder in this winter’s free agent class and controllable for an additional season via a $12MM option for 2025.
As things stand, Minnesota could fall into the reported $125-140MM range without moving anyone off the big league roster. They’d be without much flexibility for outside acquisitions and are facing the departures of a few notable free agents. Sonny Gray is a lock to decline the qualifying offer in search of a multi-year deal worth upwards of $20MM annually, a price that’s difficult to see the Twins matching unless they move multiple players. Kenta Maeda, Michael A. Taylor, Emilio Pagán, Tyler Mahle and Donovan Solano all also hit the market. Taylor could be a particularly tough loss if the Twins aren’t confident in Byron Buxton manning center field regularly next season.
The rotation could be in solid shape even if none of Gray, Maeda or Mahle return. Pablo López, Joe Ryan, Bailey Ober and Chris Paddack is a strong front four, while Louie Varland has upside at the back end. The group would be a lot thinner without Gray and Maeda, however, making it difficult to repeat their AL-best production of this past season. It stands to reason they’d like to bring in at least one veteran arm to stabilize things — either in a trade or via free agency after reallocating some money.
They’re sign a pitcher or two with the money they save from sending Farmer and Kepler away.
Pads get Joe Ryan, Twins get ________?
Trent Grisham CF
Adam Mazur SP
Graham Pauley 3B
-for-
Bux, Joe Ryan and Louie Varland
No
Buxton is an old Chippewa word for ‘chronically injured, not in the lineup.’ At least that’s what my uncle told me.
Hahaha and I’m a twins fan who Is lowww on Buxton at this point
Padres’s IOUs
Since we’re proposing one-sided trades, Joe Ryan and Jorge Polanco for Ha Seong Kim
Still not as ridiculous when Yankee fans were proposing Andujar and Frazier for (insert Superstar player here ) and before that it was Refsnyder for (insert Superstar player here).
Their biggest loss to free agency, and the hardest one to recoup just by buying a player if they’re on a limited budget, is starting pitching. So why would they subtract further from that by trading a starter who’s making close to the minimum?
I understand, Wrong. My proposal includes a multi-Gold Glove CFer and 2 Padre Top 10 Prospects. On the flip, the Pads eat the owed money to Bux and obtain said arms. If this proposal is flawed or doesn’t work for Minny, then propose a counteroffer!
The Twins likely aren’t willing to trade either of those pitchers, they have pitching needs too, and Buck has a NTC. I don’t know anything about those prospects. Zero interest in Grisham. Twins are looking to deal Polanco, not needed by the Padres, and Kepler, probably not too much interest there either. Or from their infield logjam. Maybe these two teams don’t lineup well this offseason.
Kepler and Lee for Soto? If you pay the bill
Buxton has a full no-trade clause through 2026.
With what .only does the Padres plan on paying these players they had to get a 50 million dollar loan to pay players this year
NTCs can be finessed, ohyea. I don’t see the Pads trading Soto unless it’s at the TDL. Perhaps we don’t align well, we shall see. Aloha!
Two teams that are shedding payroll? Of course they don’t line up.
I’ll believe it when I see it, ivers
Why would the Twins trade a SP that is making league minimum? They’re more likely to trade Pablo Lopez than Joe Ryan and they obviously aren’t doing that either which is my point.
Fair enough, twins33. Just an idea that was floated if Minny is truly cutting payroll. Dump Bux, move an arm or two and obtain GG defense along with 2 hot prospects. No deal? No worries.
I mean, I’d get it if you said someone who was making 10 million or more. Shedding $740k does nothing for the Twins payroll because they’d just replace him with someone else they’d have to pay $740k to.
You’re saving money by shedding the bucks for Bux. He carries a net-negative trade value. It was a silly proposal to begin with, I’m just jonesing for action I guess!
Honestly, I don’t know how Buxton is tradeable period. He’s now had another knee procedure, so two years in a row. He wasn’t able to play CF at all. He’s my favorite Twin but he’s never healthy. I don’t see any team running to trade for that, no matter who’s traded with him.
He also wanted the no trade clause that he has. He insisted it be included so he had full control. He also said he wanted to play for one team for his whole career and have stability for his kids. Minds can change, of course, but I think he meant it.
I think if he changed his mind, it would be near his GA home. I don’t think he’s ever going anywhere though.
seems stupid that they signed Correa for more than he was worth….
Twins only went as far as they did in the post season because of Correa..
So you’re saying Minnesotas fortunes went up due to Carlos. North Correa
One guy got them that far? I doubt it. The Central was so weak, someone had to win it. Any other division and they’d be out
In comparison, the Red Sox, were the worst team in the AL East and were only 6 games back of an NL wild card spot. It’s a gauntlet of a division. AL Central is a cakewalk.
What? I thought he had only a 1.4 bWAR for his $33M? I could pick FAs at random and do better than that.
They didn’t get their moneys worth for Correa but he was no worse than their 2nd best postseason player. He routinely is a very good postseason player.
I think he’ll bounce back next year; but the Twins definitely could’ve spread that money around better.
Not a single mention of him in the article either
I’m sure they’ll find a trade partner for Farmer. Plenty of teams could use him as an experienced depth piece.
It would only save them $6.6M. Imagine where they’d be if they hadn’t signed Correa. They got off the hook from him once, but they went right back. They’re stuck with him AND his contract for many years because he’ll never opt out.
It’s a bit too soon you consider the contract a lead weight. What happens if he rebounds back to a 6 WAR player?
Onto to the next player to bash, no?
Farmer seeking a partner. Wasn’t this already on Fox?
Any team dealing with Bally’s will most likely fo the same.
Damn I used to hate Ballys. Rope you in with a free workout offer than they use high pressure tactics to rope you into a commitment which no one ever uses til the end because it’s too crowded, and then 7 months after you cancel you realize you’re still being billed
I forgot twins where with Bally’s
Already the free agent predictions need overhauled.
Good, more teams need to be like the Rays.
That’s right.
Paddack is not part of a strong rotation, he has only pitched couple innings in the past couple years. Paddack is a coin flip whether he will even be in the rotation at the end of Spring Training IMHO. Lopez, Ryan, Ober, Varland and a FA stopgap/Paddack. Canterino and Festa could be ready by mid-season.
The Minnesota Nordegaards being frugal, eh? You betcha. Wait, did someone just kidnap the Twinkies wife too and looking for ransom? Fishy
Then why did you sign Correa?
That was before Bally’s went Belly’s up. Same thing is happening with the Dads. But if they saw it coming why did they extend players?
Cits you say? And the door just opened for the Tigers to win the weak Central division.
So you’re saying there’s a chance !?
Back to being the minor major league team. One of the wealthiest owners in sports but can’t put a winning team on the field capable of more than a first round win is just plain BS! Get out of the business Pohlads!!! You’re same old song and dance has overplayed its welcome.
Well, they must have done something right last year, they were in the Playoffs. Seems like it’s time to pour it on, instead of letting up.
They won their first postseason series since when, 2002? Is that correct? And they’re reducing payroll? They’re in a great position to add a few pieces while the rest of that division looks bleak…
They lost and we lost a t.v contract
Yeah, if the streaming providers go belly-up, a lot of teams will be reconsidering their budgets.
youtu.be/rFstbzlFDUo?si=CPH9yOYq6BWckrmS just curious did teams not have an idea Bally’s was going bankrupt?
Twins won the division with little production from their young players last year. If any number of those guys can stay healthy and actually produce (Buxton, Lewis,krilloff, Miranda, Gordan – the twins will be better w a reduced payroll. Gray should be their top priority. Bring him back as he prob wants to come back anyway.
Oh and brooks Lee is going to be the AL rookie of the year next season so watch out for him !
If the players you listed produce like you suggest it would be hard to find enough ABs for Lee to have a lot of impact. If they find a trade for Farmer and Polanco and Buxton spends a good chunk on the IL again might be enough to go around then
Non tender or trade Farmer and move Polanco. Kepler is another guy who could potentially move and his salary reallocated elsewhere. I think the twins can work with a smaller budget and be fine.
The trade partner for Polanco, Farmer, Kepler and Buxton are the Angels, and we get Trout in return.
Dude. Julien, Lewis, and Wallner made big impacts (with Lewis and Wallner combining for a about a full year of well above average production, in addition to nearly a full year of that level from Julien). They picked it up while multiple vets were slumping.
But yea Brooks Lee is exciting, but I don’t think he has enough power right now to win ROY. Great batting profile, though. And he won’t get enough ABs unless we make a trade.
Is Farmer outstanding in his field?
Twins being cheap? I’m shocked, shocked I say!
jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2023/07/19/b… they are probably using it as an excuse.
I’m so sick of this damn narrative. Yea, historically the Pohlad’s haven’t broken the bank. 4 of the last 5 years we’ve had record payroll. We’ve steadily increased payroll since the Pohlad’s brought in Levine. You can’t call the Twins or Pohlad’s cheap anymore. Start paying attention. Or go to Cleveland where you can actually whine about it.
Are you new to the Twins? Pohlads are notoriously thrifty. Yes they have young talent but you still need guys who are proven and produce in the fall.
Not new to the Twins, sorry. I literally stated “Yea, historically the Pohlad’s haven’t broken the bank” in my second sentence. I also said that’s an antiquated narrative.
Do you disagree that the Pohlad’s have started paying up since 2017 when they jumped to the top payroll in the division? Not to mention when Joe took over for Jim in ’22 and further increased payroll.
Do moves for Donaldson (fail), Grey, Correa, Lopez, etc not qualify as guys who are proven and produce in the fall?
And yea, payroll is decreasing this year, but that’s not on the Pohlad’s. A significant revenue stream is now meaningfully reduced. Yea, revenue drives payroll.
So let’s rephrase the question: are YOU new to the Twins?
The ballpark was consistently pretty darn full last year (post early to mid May when it defrosted). Isn’t that the point, or goal? You increase payroll, get better players/play, and the fans increase their support in the team. $150 Million can’t be that too ridiculous a payroll (for MLB).
It is when you don’t know what your TV revenue is going to be.
Unload Byron Buxton.
This isn’t surprising but it is still disappointing though I can justify it when I look at the free agent market.
The Twins need a 1B, FA market for that looks bad…will probably fill from within.
The Twins need 1-2 OF’s (mostly a CF). Thin market. Probably just a couple guys you’d want as starters….if that.
Biggest need is SP (number 3 or better). Seems like this is the deepest area in free agency as far as the Twins needs. There’s probably 4-5 guys I’d be okay with. The Twins tend to prefer SP trades vs FA signings which means no one is getting anywhere near $20M per from the Twins, such as Gray (not surprising).
Relievers are also needed but the Twins never go crazy here, which I’m fine with since they’re volatile.
I think Dan Hayes said something like $140 payroll ceiling expected which leaves about $30-40M for them to play with. With the FA market as thin as it is, I can’t see how they’d end up spending anywhere close to $40 million based on their needs and how they operate so the payroll going down is not shocking at all. Their offense is mostly set. They need pitching but tend to acquire good pitchers via trade vs FA and the pitchers they typically trade for aren’t making a lot (Pablo had a very cheap contract for example).
youtu.be/rFstbzlFDUo?si=CPH9yOYq6BWckrmS sucks for teams like the twins
My ideal off season :
Let Michael A Taylor , Sonny Gray (draft pick) , Kenta Maeda , Emilio Pagan , Joey Gallo , Tyler Mahle , Donovan Solano go
Non tender Kyle Farmer ( although I’m a big fan, 6.5 million is too much)
Trade 1 of Buxton , Polanco, or Vazquez.
Now let’s say Cap is 130 Million for 2024.
That gives 17 ~ 19 $ Mill to play with
SIGN 1 of
Kevin Kieramier or Rys Hoskins
Sign 1 of
Nola , Wacha , Ryu , Bassitt, Severino, Robertson (essentially #3 starter low end. If you can steal Nola he becomes #2 easily )
If u go Hoskins, Willie Castro and Austin Martin can play CF … D Kiersey?
If you go Kieramier, Jose Miranda , Kiriloff , and Larnach? Can play 1b
Beef Stew Brock Stewart attempts to replace Pagan in bullpen
Duran , Jax , Thielbar , Varland , Stewart, Moran , Winder , FunderB, Alcala
Of course when you make the playoffs win your 1st series in 20 years, you should definitely reduce the payroll. Extend Buxton while your at it. You had the opportunity to trade him at the height of his game and failed miserably. Maybe they should trade some more talent to Cinci for a couple more pitchers. Dump Kepler, sign Gray and Taylor. Trade Buxton, Polanco and a RP to the Angels for Trout. Fire the Pohlads for being cheap asses.
Lmao you’re trolling at this point, right?? Have you ever heard over Diamond Sports Group? Very few argued against the Buxton extension at the time. If you’re a small or mid-market team with the opportunity to get a discount on a potential superstar, you take it. Go ask Cleveland (who had roughly half the payroll the Twins had in 2023).
Most of all, I don’t know what’s more absurd: proposing the most ludicrous, unimaginable trade in the history of mankind (in any industry), or thinking you can fire the owners of the team…