The Tigers announced that first baseman/outfielder Mark Canha has been acquired in a trade with the Brewers. Minor league reliever Blake Holub heads back to Milwaukee in return.
It can be assumed that Detroit will exercised the $11.5MM club option on Canha’s services for the 2024 season, which is essentially a $9.5MM decision since that option came with a $2MM buyout. The trade saves the Brewers from at least that $2MM payout, while also bringing a 25-year-old reliever into the farm system.
Canha’s contract was initially established with the Mets, when the veteran inked a two-year, $26.5MM free agent deal during the 2021-22 offseason. Canha’s 2022 season in New York was solid, though his performance dipped to a .245/.343/.381 slash line over 303 plate appearances in 2023 before the Mets dealt Canha to Milwaukee at the trade deadline. The change of scenery sparked Canha’s bat, and he hit .287/.373/.427 over 204 PA for the Brew Crew to help Milwaukee capture the NL Central title.
It is fair to guess that the Brewers only viewed Canha as a rental piece, yet his performance probably gave the front office some second thoughts about whether or not to retain the nine-year veteran via the club option. The $11.5MM price tag might’ve been simply a bit too high for the Brewers’ liking, plus Canha turns 35 in February and Milwaukee also has a bit of an outfielder surplus. With those outfielders needing time in the corners and at DH, Canha might’ve been considered a luxury, even though the Brewers are still in clear need of some first base help heading into 2024.
Milwaukee fans may bristle at the idea of moving Canha for payroll purposes or for “just” a minor league reliever, yet Holub might be the type of under-the-radar bullpen arm the Brewers have had a knack for discovering in recent years. A 15th-round pick for the Tigers in the 2021 draft, Holub posted a 6.23 ERA over 52 innings at the A-ball/high-A levels in 2022, but took a nice step forward this past season. Over 65 1/3 combined innings at high-A and Double-A, Holub had a 3.03 ERA, 29.34% strikeout rate, and 6.56% walk rate. The improved control is particularly noteworthy, considering how Holub struggled to avoid free passes in 2022.
Today’s trade marks one of the biggest moves made by Tigers president of baseball operations Scott Harris in his year-plus tenure, and the first sign that the Tigers could be planning to contend next year. Granted, one year of Canha isn’t a huge expenditure, and Canha might very well find himself on the move again at the deadline if Detroit isn’t in the AL Central or wild card race. However, Canha does add some veteran reinforcement to a young Tigers team, and his skillset is a fit in many ways for Detroit’s roster.
Spencer Torkelson has first base spoken for in the Motor City, but Canha can act as a right-handed hitting complement at DH or in the corner outfield for any of Kerry Carpenter, Riley Greene, Parker Meadows, or Akil Baddoo (who all swing from the left side). Canha projects as the regular left fielder for the moment, with Carpenter at DH and Greene probably targeted for right field, depending on how the Tigers deploy Greene and Meadows between center and right field. Matt Vierling, Andy Ibanez, and Zach McKinstry are also in the mix for corner outfield work, and with so many unproven commodities competing for jobs, Canha adds some stability to Detroit’s lineup.
In a related move, the Tigers yesterday also declined their $30MM club option on Miguel Cabrera for 2024, paying the future Hall-of-Famer $8MM in a buyout. Cabrera had already announced his retirement and is now moving into a special assistant role with the team, so the buyout was just a formality. It does officially end Cabrera’s 16-year run as a player in Detroit, while also ending the team’s financial commitment to the slugger. With Cabrera’s eight-year, $248MM contract now off the books, it could allow Harris a bit more flexibility to spend, such as this trade to add Canha’s deal to the Tigers’ payroll.
The Stove!
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> Brewers making room to pay Counsell?
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Good trade by the Tigers. Wow, I thought Canha was going to play for the Brewers next season.
NEVER be like Samuel.
>Hemlock, would you rather have me
> write five paragraphs like Samuel
> and end it with, “this is not rotisserie
> league”?
No.
Yes.
Wait.
Maybe?
I am confused.
Can I phone a friend?
I don’t know what a samuel is.
But I can make a great sandwich.
There’s something weird going on here.
I feel like I am falling down a mountain side.
If I were Counsell I’d be taking that as a sign to just go to the Mets lmao. So far Miley went to free agency, they let Lauer go (which was an understandable move), and now traded Canha. So they’ve essentially shred 25 million in projected payroll. And they’re not likely to spend that much of that, so if I were him, and this comes from a Brewers fan, just go to the Mets.
Stove is outside…. damn I miss baseball
Samuel adds a lot of good insight. I think he annoys some of the folks in here that prefer to not think too deeply (not intended towards you).
Samuel is a self-satisfied midwit who blocks pretty much anyone who dares to disagree with him.
Brewers first move is in the direction of money savings. Next up I’ll predict they decline Woodruff’s option and shop Adames pretty aggressively.
This is the Brewers we’re talking about and typical logic doesn’t apply. They are one of those teams that has a philosophy but no strategy. They are incapable of both tanking and loading up.
They could show Willy and Woody the door or just as likely sign both to extensions. Whatever keeps the spreadsheets happy and ensures a first round playoff exit will suffice.
Guy who doesn’t know anything about baseball criticizing one of the best run ran franchises.
How many championships have been won? Penants?
Isn’t this the measure of success?
54 seasons one AL title. Never won a World Series. Someone’s definition of a best run franchise. Not mine.
By your definition there’s 29 teams who fail every year. If franchises thought like you, then about 24 teams should tank every year and not try.
Iverbure.. you boy are a complete moron! Just keep drinking your apple juice
Tied with the Padres for oldest franchise without a title.
Isn’t this the measure of success?
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Not any more. With the number of teams in the playoffs, and the variance in short-series results, making the playoffs every year is more important than having a great record record occasionally.
Whatever keeps the spreadsheets happy and ensures a first round playoff exit will suffice.
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I’m not sure it was intended that way, but that was the ultimate compliment.
Mid-market, makes money, makes the playoffs.
Woodruff decline is a lock.
@long and @solaris- there is no option to pickup. It’d be a non-tender.
Burnes traded is a good chance, Tellez non tendered, Santana not signed, New Manager coming.
@solaris602: Woodruff won’t pitch next year. Why would any team pick up his option?
@blue baron- What option?
Don’t know. I was just responding to longines64’s comment about declining it.
Gotcha. Yeah, it’s just his final arb year. Lol
Nice little move. I like Canha
Where will he play in the field?
Outfield, DH, little bit of first base.
He can also play 3B in a pinch.
Pinch this. He won’t be playing 3B. Tigers already have plenty of IFs, and one OF who can’t play it. Why add another OF to the mix
Great move for the tigers but one wonders what the Brewers are doing
Canna had a club option. They were probably going to decline it and now they can get something for him.
The Crew are freeing up 11+mil and allowing their young outfielders to play while hopefully being able to use that money to put towards Santana/Miley/Counsell, like the Wong deal last year, that was a great trade..
Reminds me of the Barnhart trade. Hope this one works better for both sides.
Are they starting to auction pieces? One has to wonder.
Brewers will still finish higher than the Reds. Cardinals and Cubs as well. Let’s just hope the Pirates continue to be the Pirates.
If the Reds do nothing about the pitching as usual, no doubt about it.
Very reminiscent of the Wong trade last year, he had a ten mil$ option and the Crew picked it up only to trade him, a lil bit different scenario but essentially the same logic, apparently Wong had more interest on a one year ten million $ deal then canha which is a little surprising but perhaps at this point understandable, watch the Crew trade for him at the deadline next year when they need some offensive consistency and defensive versatility to round out the 26 man
They are 100% NOT going to be finishing higher than the Cubs next season. Book mark that. I’d put big money on the Cubs going all out this winter.
They got two months of Canha, with the Mets picking up almost the entire tab, gave up Jarvis, and got Holob back. Seems reasonable.
They have a wave of cheap talent coming, next year OF Chourio is on the team at some point, 1st round picks OF Mitchell,Frelick are back,Joey Weimer too, Troy Black is good prospect hitter will probably be on team, College 1st rnd pick ended in double A, Brock Wilken, he could emerge, they have highly rated catcher Jeff Quero, that could spell Contrares to part time 1st base.
Tyler Black will most likely end up at third if Monasterio struggles, or possibly second if either adames is traded and turang slides to SS or if adames sticks around and Turang continues to struggle offensively, he might even end up at first if they (fingers crossed) DFA Tellez but really hoping they bring back Santana because more than likely the Crew will desperately need Blacks bat at 3b/2b at some point, monasterio is a nice player and Turang took a major leap defensively at the Major league level but chances are one (if not both) of those guys will struggle offensively and will either get demoted or slide into a utility/platoon role and that’s how Black ends up an everyday guy, maybe all three rake next year and if so that’s another central division title for the Crew, if that’s the case Black will just have to kill it in Spring Training/early in the year to the point he forces managements hand to get him in….. but Quero is unlikely to get much play in ‘24 because even though he had another nice season it was his age 20 and it was at AA, he’d have to have a MONSTER spring, same unfortunately for Churio, i mean he’s played well in the upper minors but is still so young and the Crew already have a logjam of talented young FAST outfielders that either get on base/hit for power but all play plus plus in the field it’s really quite insane but you’ve gotta believe Crew management is going to be more than happy seeing what they have at the Majors with Wiemer/Frelick/Mitchell and don’t forget Taylor all while saving young Churio in the minors and not starting that six year clock, if Wilkin makes it up in any meaningful way in ‘24 that’d be pretty nuts and the Crew would take it but he plays similar positions as Black and would be blocked by a few guys unless they’re all struggling but really I’m looking for young pitchers like Gasser and Misiorowski to be the key young guys making an impact next year, if Gasser pitches to his potential next year as well as Ashby returning to form along with Uribe, Williams and Misiorowski in the pen come September, whew with a couple deadline deals (like every year) that Crew pitching staff could yet again be freakin NASTY but for some reason I feel I’m in the minority when it comes to that sentiment, trade Burnes/adames for young arms and figure out what u have in ‘24, they could still be competitive but would really be looking good for ‘25+, but even so Peralta, Ashby, Gasser(‘23 PCL pitcher of the year) and Houser is a good start, Houser was looking back to his top form down the stretch and will be pitching for a contract, sign Miley back and even if that’s your starting five for ‘24 you’ve got the best rotation in the NL central and that’s not including the haul of young talent they’ll get for Burnes/Adames, I’m happy with where this team is at, people can scoff all they want but the Crew just won 92 games with the #2(arguably the top) farm in the game with loads of top talent like Contreras and Frelick/Mitchell/Wiemer/Turang just graduating from that STILL top farm system, the Crew are being extremely overlooked and not sure why but hey it’s nothing new I guess
You know, there’s this new invention you should look into. It’s called “paragraphs.”
I think his period key is missing.
Wow, what a sentence!
Clearly we’re going to not pick up his option. Shopped him around and got a reliever for him. If that was the plan then the brewers at least got something.
They got very good value for a player they weren’t going to bring back. Another example of how the lower-budget Brewers continue to field competitive teams year after year.
A 25 yr old with 1/2 a season in AA, is now considered good value? That age at that level should do well.
Very disappointing as a brewers fan. I thought for sure he would be with the brewers in ‘24 as our DH/1B Just goes to show you how much of a cheapskate that owner Attanasio is not wanting to pay him on that option
The brewers have one of the best owners, get over yourself and learn something
Okay son! You just keep drinking your apple juice and let the grownups talk about baseball ok boy!
You mean you’re NOT kidding? Attanasio has kept the Brewers in the lower 10 payrolls for over a decade. His idea of listening to the fans, is not to lift payroll into the upper half of MLB, but to add a new rock-climbing wall, a series of Kenny Chesney concerts, and another racing sausage. He’s not as bad as Nutting in Pittsburgh or John Fisher in Oakland, but other than them, he’s the worst.
Attanasio has kept the Brewers in the lower 10 payrolls for over a decade.
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The payroll over the past has averaged 19th and the Mil revenue is maybe #17, That ratio is about right.
You aren’t much of fan. They do this all the time. Shouldn’t be disappointed as it was highly likely the minute they traded for him. Yelich doesn’t think ownership is cheap.
Fans love to act like it’s their money.
I’d love to talk to these fans who call the owner cheap and see what businesses they run and show their employees some if the stuff they say. Come on give the guy a raise quit being cheap.
It is essentially, where does all the money come from? Sure doesn’t come from the owners.
Where do you think it comes from?
The money comes as revenue generated by the ball club. Payroll becomes an expense of that ball club. It is a percentage of that revenue.
A majority of it certainly doesn’t come from ticket sales and merch like you probably think
And since the team is owned by its owners, the revenue belongs to them and the expenses are paid by them.
I’d love to talk to these fans who call the owner cheap and see what businesses they run
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I’d like to see how much of their own money they spend every year. It’s like someone that goes to the local pub once a year to watch the SB, and then complains that they don’t have enough 55″ TVs, all the while scarfing down a free buffet.
Yeah I actually like Canha, but brewers won this deal by far. They get the whole career of that minor league pitcher they acquired. He prob won’t make it to 31 and still be relevant but he will be in majors in his prime years at 26-28 and brewers will have him for cheap. That’s more value than a 36 year old canha at market value.
Holub was a 15th rd pick who has been up and down so far in Minors. Cahna will provide immediate value to Tigers.
Brewers were likely moving on from Cahna anyways so they save the $2M. This seems like a win/win trade
I’m not a Brewers fan, so I have no dog in this race, but when a mid-market team makes the playoffs every year, that’s generally a good thing.
Good but not great player. Good move for Detroit though.
Was hoping they would aim higher.
Cant tell you how many games I went to where Canha hitting a monster homerun was the inflection point in the game.
Well, in the last year, I’m guessing it was less than Twelve, as he only hit 11 for the whole season.
Tigers are making the postseason in 2024.
Jettison?
Javy is definitely an issue. There is some good news tho. He realizes it. I’m hoping he comes back and has his best season ever. But, if he doesn’t perform, there are pieces to replace him. I don’t think his leash will be as long as it has been.
Another possibility is full time DH. It’s possible that move will spark him somehow. But, short leash there, too.
I think the dude has some ADHD traits and just seems to get overwhelmed. He’s got the tools. All of them. His issues seem to be rooted in his head.
Why put Javy at DH when his only value is defense?
No value as a hitter so DH doesn’t make sense. I honestly think he needs glasses
I agree. Doesn’t make much sense. He’s capable of being a great DH though. I just think he’s overwhelmed and maybe if he could focus on one thing, he’d be better. I can definitely see him hitting 40 HRs if he’s got his head on straight.
I’m beyond frustrated with him though. Hopefully, he gets it figured out this offseason like he said he was going to do.
I wonder how many hitters’ stats would improve if they wore glasses, especially aging players. There’s a little self-denial that occurs when your vision starts to go, at least it was for me. It may be hard for a ball player to even recognize, since it’s based on seeing a baseball rather than being able to see well enough to read, as was my case.
Well not a 30/30 guy but a solid player, of course we’ve already got a bunch of 30/30 guys in Detroit. Strike out 30% of the time and make 30 errors that is lmao.
This looks like the best trade Harris has made since being in Detroit, I’m actually impressed that he did it. Maybe he’ll become a good Baseball Ops guy yet
The Brewers probably thought of it, not the Tigers.
You never can be sure of what you will get from a 35 yr old OF.
Great move by the Tigers. Good hitter with solid OBP and he won’t block any of the kiddies on the farm in 2025. Win now kind of move. An article said they are talking to Erod on the pitching front too. To me this all but guarantees Austin Meadows will not be back. I like Canha and what he brings to the table. Good start to the offseason.
There was no way Austin was coming back. Not after being paid millions over two seasons and literally providing next to nothing in return. Perhaps he signs a minor league deal with the club. They won’t put him on the roster again until he proves he can (and will) play again.
I think that will be the stipulation by any and all clubs that give any consideration to signing him.
With that having been said, surely the Tigers are the front runner for his services. I believe there is a desire to play with his brother.
It’s a start.
I don’t understand this deal for either freaking team. But here’s my question, braves have a real lf question… it basically took nothing to get him and his contract is reasonable. Where are we in this conversation? Didn’t know we could do this? Didn’t want him? Why not, he’s solid and consistent
Maybe AA just didn’t think to make the call? Who knows, but this goes down as a solid move for DET from me.
Yea it’s a good deal but for them but I don’t see why you would trade a prospect for a rental when you’re not really ready to compete. I mean it doesn’t hurt but idk. I definitely don’t know why the brewers would do this
The Tigers are competing in ’24, if only by proxy of their residency in the ALC. Maybe somebody thinks Mark Can-help Tork turn a corner? We’ll see what happens… who knows, right? Cheers bf
@bravesfan: And since you’re not running the Brewers, you don’t need to.
Tigers came in 2nd in Division. They are ready.
Tigers as next season’s Orioles???
@Roidville: The Tigers don’t have the talent.
Canha is an outfielder, not an infielder, and you don’t know that the Brewers didn’t contact them but preferred the Tigers’ offer, assuming the Braves even made one.
Idk what the outfielder vs infielder comment has to do with anything cause I said Lf and we have a need there lol. Idk if you know this, but Eddie stinks and pillar is gone. Canha fills that easily at a reasonable contract
Sorry, I thought you said IF, not LF.
For DET it’s a reasonable amount of $ for that obp, contact and flexibility. For MIL 12M is a large chunk of a 130M maximum payroll and a free prospect. For cheaper and possibly even minimum wage they will attempt to get similarly or slightly less production. ATL probably wants to stay under tax or at least put $ elsewhere and may think same thing as MIL. Not much surplus either and ATL is smarter than DET at talent evaluation.
That talent evaluation thing was probably true under Al Avila. Certainly not under Dave Dombrowski. And, so far, Scott Harris has done a pretty good job at bringing in under the radar talent in his first season. See Tyler Holton.
What? DD wasn’t good at talent evaluation? See Marcus Thames, Craig Monroe, Carlos Guillen, Will Ledezma, DD drew in huge stars as free agents, he made deals for superstars and he picked up players other teams gave up on. DD’s Tigers were good at evaluating talent. Drafting was pretty good too… Andrew Miller, Nick C, Granderson, Verlander, Alex Avila, Porcello, Maybin, Smyly, McCann.
Harris picks up a 35 year old LFer with no power and he’s better than DD? For every Holton there are a dozen, Braden Bristo’s and Andrew Vasquez’s and Trey Wingenters and Mason Englerts and Anthony Misiewicz… Harris’s plan is take a bowl of salad and throw it against the wall and see what sticks. Isan Diaz, Nick Solak, and Carson Kelly fell to the floor.
Stop it. Come on now. You guys are sounding ignorant.
Scotty Harris’s Tigers would have been afraid of drafting Verlander and his high demands… He would have picked Phil Humber instead so he could splurge on that 2nd round talent like Matt Durkin.
@TroyVan
Also see Nick Maton, Donny Sands, Tyler Nevin, Trey Wingenter, Carson Kelly, Mason Englert, and Andrew Vasquez. Is this the under the radar talent you were referring to? He also cut Willi Castro and Jaimer Candelario, and got Zero back for E-Rod, too. If that is what you consider pretty good, raise your standards!
You do realize I was saying that talent evaluation under Dombrowski wasn’t bad (it was good!). I was standing up for the Tigers organization when he said that ATL was better than Detroit at talent evaluation.
You are rendering a verdict against Harris when the jury hasn’t even deliberated. Furthermore, DD did have his share of duds, too. Even I can’t say he’s good or bad right now. But, for playing the hand he was dealt with the money he had to gamble with, I think he did just fine.
Well, I concede the E-Rod argument.
Cutting Candelerio was warranted due to economics and performance. They had Kreidler who was expected to play 3rd before he was injured.
You guys like to point out a class of waiver wire pickups meant to provide minor league depth and maybe with some luck, they end up catching fire. And you also mention two catchers who are catchers, and most never hit for average.
Give the guy some time.
Go get O’Neill from the Cards. If he stays healthy hes very good. And the Cards will unload him for buttons because their arrogant little pr*ck manager Marmol fell out with him.
Lets challenge HARRIS. Go get Jordan Walker. There’s our 3B!
Nice move Day-twah! Canha is solid, you didn’t give up much and you took advantage of Milli-wah-kay’s Option predicament. Commendable start to this Hot Stove Season!
Nice little pickup for both sides, the Brewers save a couple million by not having to decline his club option and receive what could be a serviceable reliever in return. The tigers grab themselves an outfielder who has put up above average offensive numbers the past several seasons as they continue to try to push their winning window closer.
How do you push something and make it closer? Haha
The Tigers window for contention has been open for at least two years. They have failed to develop as expected.
A window of contention opens 4-6 years after you begin your rebuild. It stays open 4-8 years after that. This is related to club control of the top prospects drafted during the down years. If Detroit doesn’t get it together, they’ll find themselves without guys like Mize, Tork, Skubal and Greene because most will find their way into the free agent market.
Oh yes. The window is open right now.
That was the reason for my disappointment when HARRIS didn’t take Langford. By the time Clark arrives, many of the current crop will be gone. Both will be good players. Langford would have arrived in time to help Torkelson and Greene. Clark may never see a MLB game as teammates.
Langford might be in the majors this spring. He was in AAA at the end of the year. The guy is the next Jim Rice.
There is never a guarantee with prospects, but his current stats are insane.
Every time the Brewers come accross a decent veteran hitter, they decide he’s too rich for their blood. You get what you pay for, Brewers Crew.
Should be “will exercise” not “will exercised”
Start of a fire sale in Milwaukee, or selling at top value?
Or just a smart trade.
Isn’t that selling at top value?
I’m not a mind reader but my guess is if they knew he would put up the same exact numbers as he did in 23 they would still make this trade. They seem to make a trade if it’s beneficial even if it’s their closer during a playoff spot push.
But with his age and contract it’s likely top value obviously. And it could be a fire sale. Although trading players in final year of control is a smart move. No reason they can’t trade them away and still try to contend. Add more bats to make up for having 2 lesser starting pitchers.
It’s not a fire sale move when they won the trade. Brewers did an excellent job establishing value for canha. If they continue to do that – they will move some other pieces.
I think woodruff signs a 2 year pact and comes back at end of season ready to contribute to a playoff contender as the ace of their staff. They keep adames and they trade burnes since he’s the only one of true value.
I’ve always liked Canha, especially when he was with the Mets. Harris makes a good deal. Holub was not likely to make much of a difference in ’24 in Detroit. Canha will be much more productive…AND VERSATILE….and cheaper than the recently retired Miguel Cabrera.. Nice, middle of the lineup guy to plug in with Greene, Carpenter, Tork and Parker Meadows.
Tigers have 3-4 minor leaguers (Keith, Bigbie, Jung and Malloy) who can all be eased in.
I think they will be much more competitive…if not…maybe….just maybe….a playoff contender next year.
Tigers need at least another starting pitcher. I would pass on ERod. Let’s see if Harris can mend fences with Spencer Turnbull..
Rotation made up of Mize, Skubal. Manning, Gipson-Long, Olson and a new guy. Throw in Madden and Flores or Montero and Mattison.
Canha is 35… I’m not too excited about this.
You aren’t excited about anything Harris does. If he traded a can of beer for Juan Soto and got him to play for free you’d be mad dude! Canha has one year on his contract, he’s a good hitter and it doesn’t block any of the kids coming up front the farm in 2025. What is bad about this trade????
Depends on which kind of beer.
Canha is 35 years old… The Tigers should be looking for young talent, not guys looking to rebound. That’s Scotty Harris’ MO though… he did it in San Fran and he’s done it so far in Detroit. Lorenzen… Boyd… McKinstry… Ibanez. He’s a one trick pony. It worked one year in San Fran and he is cashing in on that one lucky season.
No, I am all in on picking up Soto… similar to getting Miggy at a young age. Get him, sign him long term.
If I were Harris, I would try and get a major league bat from the Cards. Get a ML ready prospect from the Reds or Orioles. Sign a couple free agent starters. Sign a lefty bullpen arm and I think they could contend next year.
2B Edman trade
RF Greene
1B Tork
DH Carpenter
3B Westburg trade
LF Baddoo
SS Baez
C Rogers
CF P Meadows
Bench Vierling, McKinstry, Caratini FA, Kriedler
Skubal, Manning, Giolito FA, Miley FA, Olson
Matt Moore FA, Lange, Foley, Holton, Vest Faedo, Aroldis Chapman FA
You have Keith and Jung waiting in the wings. Malloy, Bigbie, Dingler and Leonard that are close.
How would you get Westburg, or Edman without giving up Jung, Greene, Skubal, Torkelson, Carpenter, Malloy, Keith, Lange, Foley, Manning, or any of the Tiger’s near-ready prospects? Orioles, Reds, Cards, or any other team is going to ask for a good return for any cheap, controllable player.
Jobe, Gibson, Mize, Flores… McGonigle, who, according to multiple Tiger fans is a future mega star. Max Clark could bring in Judge and Cole… Right? Tiger fans think he’s a future hall of famer.
They’ve got plenty of OF and even more that are on the cusp of the majors. Canha’s age is irrelevant because it’s a 1 year deal. View him more as a placeholder than a long term piece.
It would be nice to have the likes of Soto in Detroit. But, from a business perspective, it’s not a deal that makes a lot of sense. Not right now.
Melchez…I agree with you that they need to improve the team this year. Why would you get Edman to play 2B when we have Keith coming up this year and a cheap backup for him in Ibanez? I don’t think Westburg is better than anything we have coming up and there are much better options to trade for. I’d rather wait on Jung or trade for Mayo instead, or even one of Cincy’s 8 million infielders, Tyler Black From Milwaukee or Justin Foscue from Texas. Westburg doesn’t impress me at all. With Jung and Keith on the way I don’t think those players really move the needle, unless they plan to shift Keith to the OF.
If they do make a trade, those teams all need pitching, which is worth more than hitting right now. We have good minor league starting (Flores) and bullpen (Mattison) pitchers we could ship out in a prospect for prospect trade, or a young major leaguer like Manning. To me Jobe and Madden should be off limits though unless you are talking top talent like Soto.
Personally, if they are going to shell out prospects to fill a need, I think they should go get a young shortstop and park Baez on the bench. Baez can backup at SS, 2b and 3b, has some speed and plays good defense so he has use as an extremely high priced backup. Even if they put Eddys Leonard in and gave him a shot…he can’t hit worse than Baez did!
Oh, and McGonigle may end up being the steal of last year’s draft and eventually make the who’s on second argument a moot point.
Prospect for prospect trades seldom happen… everyone values their prospects higher than other teams. (See McGonigle) Personally, I love those trade ideas, but teams way over value their prospects. Would you trade Colt Keith for Marco Luciano? You probably think Keith has more value… Mets believe Luciano has more value… it just won’t work even though they are probably pretty darn close.
The issue with Jung and Keith… Jung came to the pro’s with a huge question mark on position. Is he a 2B? 3B? where will he play? Keith was supposed to be the 3B then his arm issues. Can he play 2B? 2B’s need a strong arm also to turn the double play. These guys may need another year just to see where they play. Edman can play a solid 2B/SS depending on what happens with Baez. Should Baez be moved to 2B? Does he need more bench time? Paying the guy over $20 mil a year he shouldn’t be a question mark, but he is.
Westburg is a decent 3B who is major league ready. He could step right in and take over. I like Mayo too, but I think he is in the Orioles future plans. Fescue and Black are in the same boat as Jung and Keith… Where do they play?
Yeah I agree it is a crap shoot. If Keith doesn’t get the arm injury there is no question about him playing 3b. I agree Edman would be a huge upgrade for a Swiss army knife compared to McKinistry et al and could fill different spots. Someone who can field and hit seems to be a rarity these days. I don’t believe Foscue and Black are known for their defense for instance, and we have enough guys like Malloy and Carpenter who can hit but aren’t great fielders. The Canha trade looks like a precursor to more moves. Cross your fingers that they are good ones, because they only need to make a few to catch Minnesota.
Jobe would get them interested but the Tigers should not under any circumstances use him to trade for a guy like Westburg or Edman. Ever. The only reason Jobe should be traded is if he returns a superstar. Jobe has TOR ace potential. Clark is too young to even know what he will do yet, too raw. O’s and Cards scoff at SGL, Mize (due to uncertainty), and Flores. They will want young, controllable guys for young controllable guys, not something the Tigers are rich with.
Manning should be the one shipped out. He has proven himself to be reliable, but fragile. Jobe is worth more than any of Baltimore’s hitting prospects except their number 1 guy who we know they are not trading, same for Cincy. Skubal should be off limits.
If you don’t want to trade top players, don’t expect to get top players back. I think trading Skubal or Jobe would get a top player and I am confident Fetter and company will build a top pitcher to replace them.
Then you have to look at Skubal and Jobe like the Tigers once did Andrew Miller and Jacob Turner. Are they as good? Both those guys went on to have very good, while not spectacular careers, the Tigers got Miguel Cabrera and Anibal Sanchez back in return, who everyone would agree was fabulous in Miggy’s case and well worth it in Sanchez’s.
If the Tigers can get players in return like that for Jobe and Skubal, I’d go for it..
OTOH both of them can turn out to be as good as Anibal Sanchez. Why not allow them to do it as Tigers?
In addition, might Jobe and/or Skubal turn into another Rick Porcello? Maybe. It would be wise to hold on and find out. They could be John Smoltz too. Ya never know.
Me? I think they’re both worth keeping.
That “one trick pony”, made the Tigers better. That’s all I can ask, right now. Just get better and soon they’ll be playing meaningful games in October…..
Go Tigers !!
If they could pull a Cabrera like trade for Soto (and the sign him long term) or another top talent I’d be fine with shipping out Jobe as the headliner of a package. Skubal I’d be more reserved about. Another poster suggested he could be a Cy Young candidate this year. I’m tending to lean that way myself.
Juan Soto is going to be a free agent. He will test the waters. No need to trade for a 1 yr. rental. Jusat sign him as a FA next year.
Times are different than when Miggy came over. The Tigers got 3 years out of Miggy before they had to sign him to a long term contract. Soto won’t be doing that.
He improved a terrible team… wow. Even though the additions he made had little effect on the teams record. The improvements were with players Avila brought in. Tork, Greene, Carpenter, ERod, Skubal, Lange, Foley, Rogers… they did the heavy lifting while Scotty Harris was figuring out what he had.
Imagine if he had cut Schoop and kept Candelario?
Imagine if he added some major league hitters to the worst offense in centuries?
Imagine if he hadn’t wasted $10 mil on a starting pitcher that hadn’t pitched over 70 innings in over 3 years?
Imagine if he had picked up Aaron Hicks instead of Marsinick?
Imagine if Scotty Harris knew what “No Trade” meant?
Imagine if he had drafted Wyatt Langford instead of Max Clark?
Juan Soto will not be a Tiger. If Mike were still around, then I would say maybe. Chris and his mom like money too much. They will probably extend Canha a couple years and the Tiger fans will be happy.
So what? This tigers team needed a right handed outfield vet who is an above average hitter and they just got one for almost nothing. Little moves add up.
He’s 35 coming off a down year… you think he’s going to improve?
His down year had him 11% better than average by wRC. And he did improve immediately upon exiting the Nightmare in New York. He can do exactly what he did last year and he’ll contribute to a better Tigers team. There is a reason Milwaukee (a playoff team) traded for him at the deadline. Cheap, above average, RHH that they got for almost nothing.
He SO’s a lot, but hits a lot of doubles, good for Comerica. His BA varies from poor to average to pretty good. At this point, anyone who hits over .250 is considered awesome…..
Most importantly, he seems to excel with runners on base, has good RBI numbers.
Tiger fans need to look for the positive.
I mean honestly he doesn’t even K that much. 15% this year and 17% the year before those are both well below average nowadays
How did he have a “down year”….
I didn’t say he’s had no value… Seems like a odd move for a young team with many holes. This kind of fills one hole for 1 year.
Now, Wyatt Langford could have filled that hole for quite a few years. If only Scotty Harris had known what he could have had…
“Check out the big brain on Bret!”
Kind of… sort of… maybe…
welcome to the Scotty Harris Clown Show…. The place where people get excited over “Kind of”..
Pump the brakes on Langford a bit. The man doesn’t even have 200 minor league PAs. If he slides into second base wrong or his shoulder pops on a throw next year in April he could miss multiple months and then look different after coming back. Or he could get to the majors and struggle only for the league to find that he was rushed through the minors because of a 150 PA post-draft hot streak. He’s still just a prospect don’t go writing him in on your 2045 HOF ballet just yet.
Anybody remember Wilken Ramirez? I saw him in a couple AA games (Trenton Tigers?, maybe) way back around 2007 +/- and he looked like the next Roberto Clemente to me. I thought for sure he was going to be a bona fide ML star. Whoops….
When it comes to hitting, the entire league had a down year. The art of hitting has been forgotten. Its all about slugging. I’m just waiting for a batting title to go to someone with a .275 ave.
But Langford still wouldn’t have filled the hole this coming year.
Tigers have 4 left handed hitting OFers… Greene, Parker Meadows, Kerry Carpenter and Akil Baddoo. I wonder if a deal with the Yankees is on the table? Baddoo would be an inexpensive option for LF. Probably wouldn’t take much to get him. Baddoo has some power and great speed. Improved defense. Power would increase in Yankee stadium. Carpenter would be a great pickup, but I doubt the Tigers would deal him.
Speaking of trades, it’s my guess that Canha is more of a placeholder….if Jung, Keith or JH Malloy look ready at midseason, Canha is gone at the deadline.
Jung is more than a year away and plays 2B. Keith is likely to make the team and plays 3B. Malloy can’t field anywhere, and is DH material at best. Carpenter in RF, Meadows in CF, Greene in LF. Canha DH and subs in LF.
Jung was at third in the AFL and will be moved their in AAA while still playing 2B for versatility training. Kieth will likely start for 24 at 2B giving a right handed infield a solid LH threat.
actually, young played third in the AFL and probably will be moved there in AAA in 24. Keith will be the starting second baseman and 24 because he’s left-handed as Pop and in all right-handed hitting infield.
Yes unfortunately a shoulder injury sapped Keith’s arm strength. He looks to be more of a 2B or corner OF nowadays, which isn’t the worst thing in the world.
How dare you say McKinstry and Maton weren’t threats!
A trade for a vet on a one year deal from a team with slim chances of competing? Tigers have a lot of work to do for this to make sense. Twins underperform from their expected W/L while the Tigers won more than they were expected to. Lots of ground to make up and this ain’t doing much
Slim chance of competing? I think you’re going to be surprised.
It’s great y’all are so optimistic about your team. Never said it’s a bad move. Tigers haven’t been a playoff team for a decade. They’ve got a nice pitching core and a few good everyday players. As I said before they still have a lot of work to do if they want to compete, even in a weak division
It’s the AL central and off season just started.
Why does this not make sense? The Tigers need: 1. RH outfielder 2. Vet hitters 3. above average hitters.
Canha checks all these boxes and is cheap too.
“Slim” chances of competing based on what? They Won 92 games and have the #2 if not #1 farm in the game, they’re just freeing payroll like last year, just don’t spend it on Jesse Winker and they could’ve won 100 games in ‘22, anyways not sure why everyone or close to it are sleeping on the crew, loads of young controllable talent with a top farm even before they trade Burnes/Adames, this team is loaded.
He was talking about the Tigers, not the Brewers.
Well someone is an overly sensitive Crew fan
Was hoping the Brewers would put him at 1B next year (after non-tendering Tellez).
Could just sign Santana or someone else for half the $.
Picking up Canha only makes sense if there are subsequent moves to make. Yes, he’s a decent 35 year old career .359 OBP OF (and probably better than what they have an option) on a team who was 26th in MLB with a .305 OBP)., but he has no power and what he does have will disappear in Detroit. Perhaps he is known for veteran leadership. But he doesn’t move the needle in Detroit, other than to giving hope to fans that many more moves are to be made. And Eduardo is leaving.
I think you nailed. Veteran leadership is what it’s about.
His leadership didn’t seem to help the Mets.
Power isn’t everything. Would need a lot of power to make up for everything Canha does. Power is expensive.
I think in general, you do expect either power or speed from an OF. He is a solid, fairly average player, and is better than what the Tigers have as an alternative, and is a placeholder for the youngsters. So as far as plugging holes, step #1. Long ways to go….
not so sure he won’t add some power. he killed us when he was with the A’s and a lot of homers.
Tigers already have Greene, Meadows, Carpenter with Badoo, Vierling on the bench. Bigbie appears real close, and Malloy is ready. Someone is getting traded, outfield is full.
Or dfa non tender
I agree….. we have enough outfielders. I would have used the money towards another area of need (maybe towards starting pitcher or a relief pitcher). Or towards a better hitter, we definitely need some more offense.
Canha provides offense though and they need hitters. Good OBP who you can plug in near the top of the order to give Tork, Greene and Carp someone to drive in, unlike last year. He also plays 1B, DH and can play 3B. And the best part is he helps make them competitive this year and doesn’t block anyone next year. They have tons of cash they can put towards filling other needs for pitchers et al.
Enough with the “he can play 3B” nonsense. He’s not going to.
Probably not…I was repeating what someone else said. He has played 3b in the past. Vierling, Ibanez, maybe Malloy if he is possessed by the ghost of Brooks Robinson and others will probably fill that spot until they possibly call Jung up at the end of the season. Or maybe they sign someone else, but I doubt it.
Check his stats, he is the poster boy for strikezone control. A Harris requirement.
The Brewers have several top outfield prospects and save money. So, it makes sense.
The Tigers get a vet who is right handed and tradeable if need be. So, it makes sense.
Beamer, the Hedgehog, should send me and Miggie to Japan and beyond. I love sushi and can drink Sake. So, it makes sense.
By the way, team names are capitalized as in,”T”, for Tigers. So, it makes sense.
The Brewers didn’t exercise (or decline) the option. Now it is the Tigers decision, and they will pick it up.
Actually, this is too bad for Canha. I gotta wonder what he thinks about this trade. The Brewers were a good fit for him as he navigates his twilight years. Seems like he got kicked to the curb.
Should have taken less $ in exchange for no trade clause then.
He’ll end up back with them at the deadline in ‘24, lol that’s the Crew thing to do for sure ha
I suppose this takes them out of the juan soto sweepstakes…
Ooohhh. That would be a Cabrera from the Marlins type franchise alteringbmove to grab Soto.
No, it likely takes them out of the bidding for JDM, Garver, or Turner.
Good point. Garver would have been a good add too.
I think Garver is still on the table, great fit for Tigers
It looks like the Tigers are going to be doing a lot of trading this off season. It also seems to settle the question of will Detroit spend money as well. On a WAR basis it’s a bargain too.
I think giving Baez that awful contract already answered that ?
That was the prior regime’s deal, this is the first for Harris here.
Owners determine payroll. Not gms.
How good was he at First base?? As a Brewer fan, don’t think I ever saw him there. Considering our glaring hole at that position, must have been bad. Yelich to first?? Taylor, Frelick, Mitchell, and Chourio in OF. Weimer in minors for depth. Spring can’t get here fast enough!!
I saw all of the august/September crew games and Canha played first several times, very well
Why would you seen him there when you traded for one of the best defensive 1b in baseball.
Tigers already spending that Cabrera money
I think a foolish move by Scott Harris. A 35 year old who only has had two solid seasons back in his prime, who is a poor defender in corner OF just so they could have a right handed bat. I think dumb. Now they’re going to have to get rid of someone who is better than Canha, probably Baddoo. I could see Harris trading just about anyone from Avila’s days, including Greene or Carpenter.
I think Mize might be a trade option. Turnbull definitely. Maybe even Jobe.
Canha has been an above average hitter since 2018. Totally fine move for a team that regularly features hitters with OPS+ around 80.
He’s never had a solid season. He has been above average every single full season he has played.
To be honest, he’s never really played a full season, though 140 is about as close as he should get. He does worse with more playing time ,and can barely get his SLG to 400 these days. He draws walks, that’s it, and that provides limited value (particularly for someone who clogs the bases). The walks make his OPS+ look better than the player he actually is. He’s an average player, which is fine.
Canha is part-time bench player. I bet he does not get 300 AB’s. He will play against lefties and pinch hit. We have Parker, Green & Carp in the OF.
Greene will be DH’ing because of his shoulder.
Who’s next from the Brewers? I’m inclined to think Burnes, Adames, and Yelich will be moved. Maybe Williams as well.
Whoa. Yelich has the contract to rich to deal. Burnes made sense prior to Woodruff injury. I think they run him next year eyeing the trade deadline where they are at and make the QO if he pitches all season. Adames being traded feels their next trade. Williams is like Burnes. They keep him through trade deadline seeing where they are at. They can trade Williams next offseason. (He’d make sense on an extension this offseason)
I think the money saved here could go towards signing Santana. Depends where Tyler Black is seen defensively. Could see them just move Black to 1b tole.
Yelich’s contract absolutely could be moved, especially in a package
I think it’s because of the Woodruff injury and this Canha trade that they’ll explore trades and hit the reset button.
But we’ll see.
Yelich would have to waive his no trade clause. In addition to finding a team that wants him, and working out fair compensation (such as, do Brewers eat some of the remaining money, what players/prospects come back, etc). I’m sure it CAN be done, just skeptical that it WILL be.
The team doesn’t need to hit the reset button. They just need better luck with health from huge impact players that become injured yearly. As the roster and minors stand, they need a utility, 1b or 3b, 1 SP, and probably 1 RP.
Team has a lot of sooner than later graduation from minors to ML club. Chourio, Black, Gasser, and Misiorowski off top of my head. Quero could push Contreras to 1b maybe?(not to begin season but future ideas)
Woodruff had 11 starts and pitched 55 innings in 2023. The Brewers won the nlc and 92 games. His injury sucks but he was injured most of 2023 as well…just saying.
I think this is responding to my Burnes being held on to because Woodruff is out. If they traded Burnes their top SP would be Peralta for 2024. With Ashby and I imagine Gasser. I don’t think they would want to be in that position. The inner rumblings is the idea to extend Woodruff with a 2yr deal since he’d miss all or about all of 2024. So take Burnes for 24 and Woodruff for 25. Lose both to QO after. They also haven’t signed or replaced Miley’s production in rotation hurting Woodruff’s loss more.
Well, they’re off to bad start health-wise!
I should be clear that this isn’t what I want them to do, it’s what I expect. Yelich is coming off a successful 2023. They have holes all over the infield and they need a couple of starters. They’re not a team that rides things out till the end.
Easy to see them targeting prospects in the upper-minors or young, controllable Seattle lines up particularly well with Milwaukee.
Young, controllable *players…
Not Yelich, with his production his contract as far as AAV is not that bad, most likely Burnes/adames hopefully both, wouldn’t be surprised if houser is the next moved so they don’t lose him to free agency after ‘24 but he finished the year strong in ‘23 so perhaps they’ll keep him around for that ‘24 rotation or perhaps get a deal for him they can’t refuse
Absolutely nobody should be surprised or confused by this. Its typical Brewers stuff. Knowing the Mets picked up nearly all his remaining ’23 salary should have been enough to see this type of move coming.
Or recalling the trades of Renfroe and Wong last off-season.
I wouldn’t be so quick to assume Rowdy will be non-tendered though. Somebody with pull likes him (or he has some juicy info on them). Plus, he’s a lock down reliever.
The fact “Rowdy” hasn’t already been DFAd leaves me worried they’re possibly considering tendering him a contract but I think it’d be about a five mil$ deal for ‘24 and how can they afford that for his production, ugh no way….. but after literally hitching their wagon to his chubby rump and riding it off the cliff when they had Keston RED HOT at AAA all year very much makes me worried there’s much more at play than us fans will likely ever know about…..
How do they trade Aguilar in ‘19 for nothing after his all star season in ‘18, even in 2019 Aguilar was still hovering around a .700OPS which Tellez didn’t even sniff post may ‘23, that is one thing the Crew consistently has me scratching my head over, how TF does Tellez keep his job when so many others get moved or DFAd when they’re still producing above and beyond what Tellez has produced for quite some time, looking at the numbers Tellez in ‘22 wasn’t even that great, yeah 35hr but an OPS sub .790, how do u do that.. well by not getting on base and with adames having that same profile in the middle of your order I cannot believe the Crew just “rode” with Tellez, at least Adames gets u a couple War per year on his defense alone and is athletic/can run, Tellez does neither and he may “pick it” nice at first but his lack of range makes Carlos Santana (age what 37-38) look like the king of agility at first base..
There was a 25 man roster in 2019 instead of the current 26 man roster. The Brewers also had an in house guy performing at the position in Thames unlike the 2023 Brewers with no other option until Santana arrived.
Did Detroit really need another outfielder? Greene, Carpenter, P. Meadows, Vierling, Baddoo, Malloy and now Canha? They must be intending to trade a couple of guys.
Vierling may continue at 3B. Malloy can’t field. His best position is bat only. All the others are LH. Yes, they needed a RH LF/DH option. Baddoo will be moved/cut.
They are saying Greene will be DH’ing for a good part of the year so essentially Canha will Sub in for him and then Greene moves back to the OF next year. I don’t think they will dump Baddoo this year and will have him split time in the OF with Canha who will pick up AB’s at DH and 1B too. I wonder if they are going to have Vierling cover 3b and Ibanez cover 2b and let Keith work in at one or both. Malloy has to fit in there somewhere too after the season he had last year. Or maybe they will trade Baddoo and/or Malloy for another bat. The next couple months should be telling.
I’m somewhat torn on Canha coming to Detroit. I get he’s a RH hitting OF and the TIgers have a glut of lefties. But, they’ve kind of committed to Greene at DH while he heals, ala Bryce Harper. That leaves Meadows in CF, Carp in RF and Canha in LF. It limits JHM from being called up and I think it is pretty obvious that Baddoo is going to be odd man out amongst the lefty swingers. I think I like it, relatively cheap and can be moved if they’re out of the race at the deadline.
Agree with you, Canha is a solid defender in LF and RH hitting. Greene coming off TJS makes it sensible to keep him at DH for a good portion of the season (at least early on). I know it’s his non-throwing elbow, but the way he dives for balls on defense could lead to re-injury if they don’t wait until he’s fully healed. One year deal, so Greene in LF is open for 2025.
Nice to see a money impacting move done with by the Brewers. They can be more aggressive with how they allot the potential 11M Canha was about to make. Spend it on Santana.
I’m a bit surprised they wiggled out of all the financial obligations. Figured they’d maybe end up picking up the option, and eating the $2 mil..maybe more, before moving him..or simply decline it and owe the $2 mil and get nothing back.
Making his reservation in Cooperstown for 2029. Cabrera is a no doubter.
If I could type I would be dangerous.
If I could coherently and consistently string a series of words together I might function.. ha
Stick to one account next time.
Tigers were horrendous in LF and DH. Good add.
JHM is limited to DH. I wonder if the Tigers may try and deal him. The Rays would make him an MVP player. Rays could cut payroll by dealing Brandon Lowe. Rays would somehow weasel a couple other future hall of gamers out of the deal though.
Never deal with the Rays.
Dodgers could be an option too. They turned Max Muncy into a mediocre fielder and a great hitter.
He was very good in Oakland.
Peak year was 270 BA 26 home runs 56 RBI 902 OPS
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I’m going to take a guess… 2019? The year of the bouncy ball?
Almost everyone had a career year hitting that year.
Taking a step back… Brewers traded Justin Jarvis, a 2018 5th round pick. A starting pitcher prospect for Canha at the deadline. Jarvis is currently the Mets number 15 prospect. The Brewers have Canha for a few months and end up dealing him for Holub, a 2021 15th round relief pitching prospect who has never been on a top 30 prospect list.
That was a very expensive rental.
No it wasn’t. The Mets paid for Canha and the home playoff games made them a lot of $. Brewers can’t afford to get elite pitching in free agency so if they thought they could turn that kid into anything special they wouldn’t have traded him.
Jarvis is only rated 15th in the Mets system because it’s significantly weaker than Milwaukee’s. He was 30th in the Brewers farm at the time of the trade. Jarvis is Rule V eligible this offseason, and the Brewers weren’t likely to protect their 30th ranked prospect.
Personally, I was hoping for a deal for a guy like Spencer Steer from the Reds. They have a glut of infield talent. Steer has solid plate discipline and he could play 3B for years. He wouldn’t win any gold gloves, but he would be far better than anything in the Tiger system.
Steer could fill in at 1B, LF and DH.
Could still happen. Cincy and Detroit are a fit on paper. They need pitching and Detroit needs bats.
Another sabermetrics darling that isn’t really that good at playing baseball but the geeks want to reward people for walking. Can’t help your team with a walk when the rest of the team is built on swinging for the fences and striking out 25% of the time.
I’m bristling
Cabrera hit a combined 65 homers in his last 7 years. Sad
Tragic news for the Canha family.
Why does this remind me of the Meadows trade? And what happened to the Tiger fan who probably posted 20x that Meadows was a pure swindle?
How do you equate it to the Meadows trade? Canha is on a one year deal (stopgap) and 35 years old. Meadows was controllable for years and much younger. The Tigers gave up an unranked bullpen prospect for Canha vs a draft pick and a former Top 100 prospect for Meadows. I don’t see any similarity.
Motor City Beach Bum
How do you equate it to the Meadows trade?
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I equate it because I think a fair amount of Tiger fans see the shiny object, and probably don’t know that much about the guy they are giving up. As I said at the time, Paredes had some very good stats in AA and AAA.
I still don’t get your comparison.
I think this will be a great trade for the Brewers and a dud for the Tigers.
Mark Canha will be 35. He’s not much of an improvement on defense and he will block young players and his salary is a bit high for a short side platoon player.
Blake Holub has a fairly low BB and HR rate. He just turned 25 and is listed at 6’6″. Taller pitchers normally take longer to develop but certainly, the Brewers have a track record for developing pitchers.
Holub was clearly expendable and Canha filled a need, makes them more competitive this year and doesn’t block anyone next year. How is that not a win?
Pretty much opposite what I said.
Different take on it but I read your posts and know you want them to win as much as I do. Cheers dude
Don’t know if Scott Harris has the balls to trade Tarik Skubal if a team offered a huge package for him that would help jump start the Tigers rebuild.
Skubal is a rising LHSP star who will be making All Star teams.
Scouts say his stuff puts him among the best LHSPs in the league.
Skubal is young, cost controlled for many years and could be a #1 Starter for many teams.
I can see a teams like Baltimore with loaded farm systems taking a look at getting a young, cost controlled ace like Skubal who won’t be a free agent until 2027.
The Orioles and a few other select teams have top young position players and near major league ready prospects blocked by some of their major league position player starters
It would require a very large package of young players and almost ready prospects to land a top of the rotation horse like Skubal.
No team will get him for just one or two young players and prospects.
Don’t care how some of the TV sites value Skubal.
Presidents of Baseball Ops know that this guy has the talent, the intangibles, the youth, the club control until 2027, to make All Star teams, to help get your team to the playoffs, the World Series and to win it.
It would take a very generous offer to pry this LHSP with his best years ahead of him from the Tigers.
Otherwise, the Tigers would just keep him and not deal him.
I am not sure Harris could pull of such a deal.
Scott Harris likes deals in the recycle bins and more modest, low key, lower risk trades.
But, higher risks can lead to much higher rewards if your scouts and front office have done their jobs and their homework.
Lots of words for something completely unrelated to this article. I don’t think a willingness or unwillingness to trade Skubal right now indicates anything about Harris. He has nothing but upside but hasn’t had half a season in any given year when he was both healthy and playing well. All indications are that next year could be his breakthrough. Wait for that to happen and you can decide then if you want to keep him as a cornerstone or trade him for somebody else’s farm.
That’s why I think Skubal is almost untradeable. Detroit is looking at a guy that is almost unhittable right now, while opposing GMs might be looking at a guy with only three years of control, and only pitched 198 innings over the last two years.
IMO, y’all would be insane to trade him. Put some money on the table and sign Lee from SK, and move greene to the corner.
Anyone else agree that Canha is essentially the textbook definition of average? Lol
Wait a minute. Outside of a deferred comp situation, in what world do you retire but continue getting paid? Doesn’t the player, in this case Cabrera, forgo the rest of any deal that was signed upon retirement? If not, what’s to stop a player like, say, Trevor Story announcing he’s retiring and continuing to collect for years?