At the GM Meetings earlier this month, Baltimore general manager Mike Elias told reporters the team was seeking a late-game reliever. They’re considering plugging that vacancy in free agency.
Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that the O’s have been in contact with each of Josh Hader, Jordan Hicks, Craig Kimbrel and Aroldis Chapman. All four hurlers fit the general profile of a late-inning arm, although they’re clearly in different tiers of free agency.
Hader is the best reliever in the class (and arguably the top bullpen arm in the majors). He worked to a 1.28 ERA over 56 1/3 innings during his platform season. The lanky southpaw punched out 36.8% of batters faced. That’s actually Hader’s lowest strikeout percentage since his rookie year, yet it still ranked fifth in MLB among relievers with 50+ innings. Only Chris Martin and Brusdar Graterol had a lower earned run average.
After frequently working multiple innings earlier in his career, Hader has expressed a preference for a traditional one-inning role over the past couple years. The Padres deployed him as a closer. He picked up 33 saves in 38 attempts.
The year marked an emphatic bounce back from a 2022 season in which he’d posted an uncharacteristic 5.22 ERA. Hader has posted an ERA under 1.30 in two of the last three years and has five sub-3.00 showings over his seven MLB seasons. While he’s a year older than Edwin Díaz was last offseason, Hader figures to take aim at topping Diaz’s $102MM guarantee with the Mets — the largest relief contract in MLB history.
Committing a nine-figure deal would be far bolder than any free agent decision that the Elias front office has made. The O’s have remarkably yet to sign a single multi-year free agent deal in his five years as GM. Much of that came during a rebuild, of course, but the O’s remained cautious even as they’d begun to turn a corner last winter. Baltimore signed a trio of veterans (Kyle Gibson, Adam Frazier and Mychal Givens) for a combined $23MM on one-year guarantees.
After a breakout season that saw the O’s win 101 games to take the top seed in the American League, the front office should be more aggressive than ever. Bringing in Hader would represent a very significant shift in operating procedure. In addition to the huge financial commitment, Baltimore would have to relinquish their third-highest pick in next summer’s draft. Hader declined a qualifying offer from the Padres, so he’s attached to signing compensation.
If the O’s are willing to meet those costs, Hader is a sensible target. He’s one of the few relievers who can approach the kind of production the O’s lost when Félix Bautista underwent Tommy John surgery that’ll cost him the entire 2024 season. Hader is also a Maryland native who began his professional career as a 19th-round pick by the Orioles in 2012. While that selection was made by a previous front office, Elias was a high-ranking scouting official with the Astros when Houston acquired Hader as a prospect at the 2013 deadline.
Hader is in his own tier as a free agent relief target. Hicks finds himself in the next group, arguably the #2 option on the open market. One of the hardest throwers in the sport, he averages around 100 MPH on his sinker. Hicks has wobbly control but consistently runs huge ground-ball numbers. He’s coming off arguably the best season of his career, turning in 65 2/3 innings of 3.29 ERA ball between the Cardinals and Blue Jays. The righty struck out a solid 28.4% of batters faced, the highest rate of his career.
Injuries (most notably a June ’19 Tommy John procedure) dogged Hicks between 2019-21. He has mostly stayed healthy over the past two seasons, topping 60 frames in each. He’s also the youngest free agent reliever of note, having turned 27 in September. Hicks should secure at least three years and has a solid case for a four-year pact at an average annual value in the $8-10MM range.
Chapman and Kimbrel would be shorter-term plays. Two of the best closers of their generation, they’re each entering their age-36 campaign. Both pitchers have battled some inconsistency in recent seasons, but they’re coming off solid 2023 performances. Chapman worked to a 3.09 ERA with an eye-popping 41.4% strikeout percentage over 58 1/3 frames between the Royals and Rangers. Kimbrel posted a 3.26 ERA while fanning a little over a third of his opponents in 69 regular season innings with Philadelphia, although he struggled over six innings in the playoffs.
CHS O'sFan
One question to clarify something:
Since the O’s 3rd pick is their Comp A pick and Comp Balance Rd picks are not subject to forfeiture (I think), the Os would actually lose their 2nd Rd pick (4th pick) instead right?
Ra
Pretty sure that is correct.
King Floch
Signing Josh Hader would be an absolutely horrendous misallocation of resources for the Orioles.
That said, it would be pretty cool in the short term.
Definitely ain’t happening though, thankfully.
BrianStrowman9
Yeah. Not unless Hader wants to take a deal with an early opt out that he’d likely take + a hometown discount. Seems way too far fetched
Joel P
Thankfully?
It drives me crazy how entitled some fans can be. You Orioles fans are a different breed. You are the opposite you seem to expect the team to not spend money.
Hader would be a great move. Just lost your closer who was one of the leagues best can’t say you couldn’t use him.
It’s ok to spend money. The Orioles have been rebuilding for years it’s time to spend money.
BrianStrowman9
Not wanting to spend $100MM for a reliever is reasonable behavior.
Fans that always clamor for more free agents to be brought in end up complaining about their old washed up roster. AND then they want the team to spend more money on more free agents.
See the 2023 Yankees & Mets.
Joel P
Dude the Orioles are nowhere close to becoming the Mets or Yankees. The Orioles have probably more young talent than any team in baseball. The only thing holding them back is ownership not spending money.
If the Orioles had a payroll of even 120 million in 2024 they would be a dominant team and the WS favorite. But they refuse to spend money. You as a fan shouldn’t be happy about that.
BrianStrowman9
I would like the orioles to increase payroll with smart additions. Not $100MM for a reliever. Mike Elias put together one of baseball’s best bullpens without spending a dime on it. The guy he ended up spending the most on was completely useless.
I’d strongly prefer to not have a $20MM reliever salary on the payroll when Gunnar Henderson and Adley Rutschman start making $15-20MM in arbitration.
Easy pass. You need to be forward looking with payroll and understand what you do well internally.
I would be very happy if the O’s signed Robert Stephenson instead. He’ll go for a 1/3 of the money. DL Hall will be a really good lefty reliever. Hader is not a need that is worth the expenditure.
Joel P
Dude Gunnar Henderson isn’t eligible for arbitration until 2026. Rushman is first year arbitration in 2025. That’s first year. They aren’t making 15 to 20 million in arbitration anytime soon if ever. By the time they have to pay those 2 Haders contract will be over or darn well close to it.
How about a top of the rotation starter? Is that not a need either????
Ridiculous
BrianStrowman9
Mike Elias came from the Jeff Luhnow tree. You should be pretty familiar since he was a key member of the Cards FO at one point. Cards had a lot more success back then. Because teams are built from strong orgs that invest in their organization infrastructure, FO, Coaching, and player development.
That’s not a philosophy built on free agent signings.. The Astros traded for their 2 top pitchers when they were not pitching at peak value. The org got more and continued to develop them. Then let them walk in free agency when the cost didn’t fit anymore. (Then cashed in prospects in a trade for Zack Greinke and got the D’Backs to eat $24MM in cash)
The O’s will not sign a Blake Snell. It’ll be a guy who the FO believes is undervalued and can be developed. That’s how the O’s operate. Any holes that the team still has in July can be plugged up in trades.
Just need some patience.
BrianStrowman9
I want our young talent to be together as long as possible. I would love to see some extensions signed. This is a fun baseball team to be a fan of.
Make shrewd signings and trades to supplement those pieces. That’s what I’d like to see. Nothing shrewd about $200MM to Blake Snell & $100MM to Josh Hader.
stymeedone
If you’re referring to the Astros trade for JV as one where he was not pitching “at peak value”, may I remind you that he finished 2nd to Porcello in the previous Cy Young voting. That’s hardly the narrative you painted.
dm867
This isn’t LA or NY where you can throw money wherever and whenever you want. There’s a huge risk is signing a closer to a long term expensive deal if you’re in Baltimore. Look what the Chris Davis deal did–it handcuffed them for years.
Joel P
Just because the Chris Davis contract didn’t work out doesn’t mean you never sign a big time free agent again. Come on.
Ra
A $60 million payroll made them a dominant team in 2023. A $120 million payroll in 2024 doesn’t make them “THE WS favorite” unless they spend on the right players. People were clamoring for them to sign Benintendi last Winter, which would have been a foolish allocation of resources. A similar signing would get them closer to the supposedly magical $120MM threshold without improving the team.
Ra
A TOR starter is a far better investment than $100-120MM on Hader.
jdgoat
They need to focus on SP first, not RP. That should be their big target this winter.
stymeedone
Free agency has runs on positions. They need a back end reliever, and a starter or two. It really shouldn’t matter what they do first. The market will dictate that.
BrianStrowman9
May I also remind you that Verlander was 34 years old and had a 3.82 ERA/4.07 FIP at the time the Astros acquired him and the tigers ate significant cash in the transaction.
Houston Astros JV was the best we ever saw. Don’t typically see a pitcher hit his peak at 35. That’s a testament to how good they were.
King Floch
Yes, thankfully.
Committing like 15-20% of your maximum payroll to a 1 inning reliever would be really dumb.
Joel P
Whats dumb is wasting all the years of cheap young talent the Orioles have and not supplementing that with legit established big leaguers.
King Floch
A small market team spending $20 million or more on a 1 inning reliever would be really dumb. Like, objectively.
I am not really sure why you are so upset by that fact.
Joel P
Baltimore isn’t a small market that’s nonsense. The Orioles used to have good sized payrolls. Why on earth couldn’t they go back to that?
I don’t get you and Braun here. Ridiculous. Sometimes yeams gotta spend money.
King Floch
John Angelos isn’t his father. He has made it abuntantly clear that he isn’t going to spend at the levels Peter did in the 90s and 2010s.
Rishi
You could build an entire bullpen for that kind of money if you are smart about it and lucky. Stash the 40 man roster with upside plays if you can and bring in a couple of solid relievers. Also trades can get you the specific guys you like and they have much to trade from. They don’t spend enough but it is what it is. The money should be spent on locking up that young talent mostly anyway
BrianStrowman9
Baltimore is a small market team. We’re still paying on those contracts that Peter gave out. The team is paying close to $20MM this year for Chris Davis, Alex Cobb,and Bobby f’n Bonilla. We’ll owe another $14MM out on those deferrals next year.
Peter kicked the can down the road.
C Yards Jeff
Hader to Os. Don’t see it. It’s just so outside the money side of the club model that owner Angelos has GM Elias following when it comes to putting together bullpen staff.
stymeedone
What would be dumb is watching the core of the team walk in less than six years for draft picks. Planning is required. Not signing the most expensive reliever in history does not mean they will do nothing. They will supplement it. No one other than you believes the opposite.
stymeedone
Washington took half their market and tv revenue. You must be new to this. How cute!
BrianStrowman9
Hader is a poor stylistic choice for the O’s anyways. Forget the cash for a second, if hader truly only wants to pitch the 9th inning—how does that work for Baltimore?
How many 6+ out appearances did we ask Bautista to gives us? Quite a few.
BrianStrowman9
4+* obviously not asking him to go more than 6 outs lol.
Ra
Every single Orioles fan is in favor of the Orioles increasing payroll. Nearly all would prefer the investment be for Starting Pitchers. Or maybe a MOO. Nearly all Orioles fans don’t want to commit whatever marginal increase JA would approve to a 6/$120MM investment on a reliever that would handcuff Elias going forward.
willpatten
I’m not going to do the math but long term high value contracts rarely provide good return. A pipeline full of talent is a much smarter way to go.
Ra
Makes no sense to call Orioles’ fans “entitled” for understanding that ownership will not allow a $100 million signing for a reliever. That word doesn’t mean what you must think it means.
OIC2021
The Guardians are “in” on Hader, and if they get him then Clase will be traded in a package for Juan Soto. A lefty- righty combo of Hader and Barlow is Vogt’s dream back-up bullpen.
BrianStrowman9
If the Guardians spend $100MM on a reliever the world is ending.
RandalGrichuksStubble
Baltimore is the real deal. Good for their long suffering fans.
sorengo99
Hader feels more like Elias kicking tires or bluffing for a potential trade partner that he can go the FA route.
Even if he could add $40MM in payroll, I can’t imagine he’d go closer over two TOR arms or one arm and a 1B/DH upgrade.
baked mcbride
Sorry, sorengo, but the O’s don’t need a 1B/DH upgrade. Mountcastle and O’Hearn provided a fine platoon at a low cost to the O’s and they like to move Santander, Adley and Kjerstad into the DH spot consistently.
RedFraggle
O’Hearn fell apart toward the end of the season. I don’t think he will be the same as last year. That said, the O’s have more than enough to cover 1B in the event Mounty needs a break or is injured.
sorengo99
I would not be surprised if any one of those players not named Adley gets moved in an upgrade or SP deal.
Ra
Here’s who will not be traded: Gunnar! Also: Basallo, Mayo, Holliday.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Bautista will be back for the 2025 season so there is no reason to ‘waste’ a 5-6 year, $100M+ contract on Hader. Sign one of the older guys (Chapman or Kimbrel) to a 1 or 2 year contract instead; or sign Hicks to a 4 year deal, knowing he’ll become a setup man once Bautista comes back. That makes much more sense than breaking the bank for basically 1 year of Hader. When healthy, Bautista is their undisputed closer.
Daryl Pauley
Reunion Birds!
Vince Coleman'sTarpMachine
Harder is strictly a one inning guy
BrianStrowman9
I’m thinking that Hader was strictly a one inning guy last year to secure himself a fortune. Milwaukee used to work him to death.
BrianStrowman9
Well. You can toss that out. I didn’t realize his usage pattern has been down for that long. He has always been willing to pitch multiple innings in the playoffs though. I just can’t get behind giving any reliever $100+MM.
Rbiggs2525
Very odd since Elias is a big believer in converting starters to bullpen and never uses assets to bullpen. I believe Givens was the highest paid bullpen pitcher last year at around 3 million $. I like the idea of shortening the game.
Joel P
He isn’t using assets on anything. Nobody on that team has a big contract.
BrianStrowman9
Hader grew up 20 mins from OPACY. This feels like an easy way for a few more clicks by Jon Heyman.
I don’t know who is going to give Hader $100MM but it won’t be the O’s.
Let’s Go O’s
Bring him home to Baltimore!
Hired Gun 23
Hader isn’t going to take a discount and isn’t going to be an Oriole…
skinsfandfw
Cool.
So when is that scumbag John Angelos going to sign the lease? The MOU has all but fallen apart. The state of MD legislative session for 2023 ends in less than two weeks. The clock is ticking…
BrianStrowman9
John’s going to go right up against every deadline to try to get every last nickel or piece of land he can from the state.
I believe he’s going to sell the club after Peter’s death to avoid the Cap Gains tax. Until then, that’s our guy!
I’ll say one nice thing. He lets Mike Elias run the organization. Brady Anderson doesn’t hang around the warehouse and clubhouse and dictate anything.
MacGromit
@Brian,
I’m scared that John *won’t* sell the team after the passing of his father and will stay around haunting Baltimore like the Ghost of Christmas Past, Present AND Future. that’s the stuff of nightmares: Scrooged payroll for perpetuity.
If only we could show him what the future with his short sightedness would look like. Top homegrown former Oriole All Stars playing for the Yankees and Dodgers. Back to staking hopes on the likes of Tommy Milone in the rotation. Farm system in shambles after trades for over the hill vets in their final forgettable season prior to retirement.
BrianStrowman9
The family’s money is largely tied up into the team. He won’t be the sole owner after Peter’s passing. He may not sell but I’m inclined to think he will. He doesn’t have the cash to buy his family out and that’ll be an ugly fight if they aren’t on the same page.
It’ll be a fat cash out check and he can live his life buying horses or whatever the hell he wants to do. I think that’s where we eventually land.
Just Rob
The controlling interest goes to Peter’s wife upon Peter’s death. The family has recently divested itself of several local real estate holdings and is currently marketing others, and Peter’s law firm is being wound down. There are other sources of revenue and capital funds they have at their disposal.
Just Rob
The MD General Assembly’s legislative session begins in January and ends in April, as it has for the past 200+ years.
Ra
You would think the “racial slur” fan would have just looked up MD’s General Assembly session dates before making a fool of himself. Then again, he chose that name, so…
skinsfandfw
As far as these pitchers go, Hader is a pipe dream. I’m not sure that I’d had a preference between the other 3 options. Kimbrel and Chapman would probably take one year deals to get us back to Felix in ‘25. Hicks doesn’t have much of a track record, especially health wise, and would likely want too many years.
Joel P
Hicks I believe will take a 1 year deal or something with an opt out. He has big time upside if he has a good 2024 his value will increase greatly. As a Cardinal fan I can tell you Hicks is a very talented guy. He didn’t get a lot of close ball and strike calls as a Cardinal probably because he was so young. I know that sounds weird but he really did get hosed on numerous calls over the course of his career. He’s very close to being a very good reliever consistently.
scruffmcgruff
As much as I would love to see my O’s sign Hader, I think adding at the very least #2 or #3 starter for the rotation is more important. Not saying you can’t do both since its likely they will only be willing to get that starting pitching via trade and with some amount of club control. But the fact that they are publicly making such aspirations known is hopefully an indicator of being more proactive than in recent years.
mostlytoasty
The O’s have a couple of late inning guys with elite statcast data. Spending all that money on Hader would be insane when they could use it towards a higher end SP. There aren’t many left, but imagine if they traded for Cease and signed Yamamoto instead. They’d be the AL East favorites overnight
stymeedone
They already are the favorites.
JohnFisher’s$1BlumpkinSpecial
Kimbrel makes sense for the orioles on a 1 year deal. He’s only good as a closer, so thats perfect for when Bautista is out.
JohnFisher’s$1BlumpkinSpecial
Unless he wants like 3-4 years.
Ra
NOBODY is going to go 3-4 years for Kimbrel regardless of what he may want. He and Robertson are getting one-year deals until the wheels fall off.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Hader is going to set the reliever AAV record.
Thornton Mellon
i don’t agree with that much $ for relievers. The Orioles won’t spend that money even for a starter, which is unfortunate.
But we go through this most Orioles offseasons (exception for when they were way out of it 2018-21). They’ll “state interest” in the big names. I expected an article like this though honestly with links to a SP not Hader & company. They’ll find some cheaper bullpen arms.
The Orioles are kind of like the woman who tells her friends she’s going to the mall to shop at the really high end stores but instead picks the bargain bin at Walmart or goes to Goodwill. Speaking of which, I fully expect them to be all over that Rule 5 draft coming up.
BrianStrowman9
Doubt that. We don’t have the roster flexibility for a rule 5 guy. Might take one to see if it’s a hit but highly likely they’ll be returned.
Thornton Mellon
I think they only have 36 on the 40-man at the moment and while I don’t think they’d add a position player I think a reliever is definitely possible.
They can’t resist a bargain.
BrianStrowman9
We may take a shot. It’s tough to keep a RP who can’t be optioned right now. We have too many guys out of options in the pen.
W/O the rule 5 draft we wouldn’t have Santander playing RF or Tyler Wells pitching so I’m not gonna bang them up for making a selection. Think it’s unlikely they’ll stick this time around though. I think Elias likes to take a free look at guys.
Thornton Mellon
I almost hate that they got Santander in the Rule 5. I felt like for years they were hitting it so hard because they got Jose Bautista via the Rule 5 and then didn’t hold onto him (wow, 20 years ago now!). So the fans had to suffer through Richie Martin, Ryan Flaherty and Joey Rickard to take up space cheaply.
IIRC they also picked up Tyler Wells that way, although I’m not as impressed with Wells as many are on this board (soft tosser who gets hit hard and has concerning peripherals) he did stick with the club. Also I think TJ McFarland who was useful from the pen for a time and Jay Gibbons were Rule 5’s.
The Rule 5 is a sometimes hit but usually miss…and its cheap so I fully expect them to grab another.
Ra
Wells was the only one Elias chose. Whatever Rule 5 picks that occurred before his tenure have zero impact on his decisions. I can’t understand the fascination with using things that happened in the Orioles’ past to judge Elias’ time at the helm. Like how you continuously claim the Orioles can’t develop pitchers, even though they have proven you wrong under Elias.
HBan22
O’s should be in on Robert Stephenson. He obviously has much less of a track record than Hader, but he was the superior pitcher of the two of them after joining the Rays and tweaking his repertoire last season. Lower FIP, much lower WHIP, better K/BB ratio. He flat out dominated. He could go down as the best value of any high leverage RP on the market this offseason.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Avoid Hader like the plague. He’s a great pitcher but easily an overpay.
theathlete
Sign Hicks and Chapman, over Hader.
This one belongs to the Reds
Reds should be targeting the same bunch of relievers, and hope they sign one or two. That would give them some shut down guys late in the game.
Bullpens used to need to give you two good innings after the starter, then it went up to three. Any more it is four.
The Phils have the right idea about a strong bullpen. I am surprised more teams don’t make that happen.
Stevieoriole
No Chapman, please. Are you getting Jekkyl or Hyde?
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Getting very tired of these …”showing interest in.” teasers. Lazy journalism IMHO.
MacGromit
as tight lipped as the Orioles front office has been under Elias, if there any rumors connecting the Orioles with an individual player… That’s certainly not going to happen. I’m not endorsing nor slamming either transaction but both the acquisition of Irvin and Fuji were out of left field.
so given that rationale, I hope that Stephenson is in play. and any decent SP that the Cards haven’t signed yet. lol. St Louis is a case study in “doing and not just saying”. be great to see the O’s just get that Burnes deal done but I’m afraid that one has been rumored too much also.
BrianStrowman9
I mean STL just signed 3 34 year old pitchers. That’s a doubling down on old guys. Sonny Gray would’ve been nice but I don’t think the other 2 would’ve made this years rotation.
MacGromit
@Brian
3×34 > 0
Esp when the Os need to make up the IPs that Gibby ate up. Verdict is out if Sonny can pull another rabbit out of his hat. Everyone agrees the Orioles need both rotation and bullpen help but so far… crickets. I know that the GM Winter meetings haven’t begun but the O’s have been notoriously slow and light in the market as of late.
I don’t think that the Cards have guaranteed themselves a playoff spot but they are certainly inking some guys to fill their needs. just wish the Os would do the same. I am hoping it’s about trade partners holding on outlandish wants until the market dispels them of their inflated dreams of Holliday, Povich, Santander and Basello for Corbin Burnes or Dylan Cease.
Ra
And two of those “3 34 year old pitchers” are 36 years old.
its_happening
Get your 2017 Verlander and win a ring.
Ra
um, yeah … OK.
its_happening
What, O’s aren’t good enough? You’d be wrong.
Ra
Getting 2017 Verlander is *great* advice. Not helpful. Or even real-world advice. But, sure, the Orioles should go back in time and trade for 2017 Verlander at the end of the season — that will ensure a WS win.
btw: the Braves were good enough. Why didn’t they “win a ring?”
its_happening
Clearly you missed the point.
O’s need an ace on their staff. Team can hit. Youth movement will continue. Astros won the World Series thanks to the Verlander deal.
Is it resonating or do you need it explained a little slower?
Ra
Your simplistic path to winning the World Series exposes your ignorance.
Jacksson13
OOPS !!!
That was BILL Hader and AARON Hicks !!
foppert1
Nothing but disdain for athletes who sign up for a team sport and then demand that their individual goals be the priority. Would not sign Hader if he was the last closer on Earth.
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
The O’s are thrifty. If statements from the Angelos regime are any indication, the team is going to remain thrifty. Elias is starting to realize that he’s on a chain and the next phase in the Build-a-WS-Championship program, where you bring in top free agents after building around a core of big prospects, might not happen.
LambchoP
I’d be thrilled to see the Twins sign Chapman or Kimbrel. Highly doubt it, but a guy can dream:)
Bluejay4life
As a Bluejay fan I don’t believe the Jays will get Jordan Hicks back. I the Baltimore should definitely try a get him. He throws 101 and is really reliable. Can close out some games.
Ra
Why do you think the Jays are out on Hicks?
Bluejay4life
I think the Jays figure they have enough bull pen help right now. They are trying to save on one end and spend big on offence.
Ra
Thanks for the reply.
Bluejay4life
No problem