Major League Baseball’s owners have unanimously voted to approve the Athletics’ move from Oakland to Las Vegas, tweets John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle. The approval was seen as something of a formality, with little — if any — opposition from the sport’s other owners anticipated.
The Athletics’ current lease at the Coliseum only runs through the end of the 2024 season, which leaves plenty of questions about where the club will play its home games in the interim. Among the potential scenarios that have been discussed are sharing the Giants’ Oracle Park, playing home games at their Triple-A stadium in Las Vegas, or temporarily extending the current lease. The current plan, while not yet final, could see them split their time between multiple sites, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today. The Athletics plan to build a $1.5 billion stadium with a capacity of 33,000 on the Las Vegas strip, at the site of the Tropicana Casino. That new home, however, is not expected to be ready until the start of the 2028 season.
With the valuation of the Athletics’ franchise slated to rise following the move, Nightengale further reports that the remaining owners included a provision with their vote that team owner John Fisher would be taxed “heavily” on any sale if he ultimately strives to sell the club for an immediate profit. The magnitude of the tax isn’t clear, nor is the length of time for which he’ll need to retain ownership of the team before he is exempt from said taxation. In such an event, the amount that he’s taxed would be divided among the other 29 franchises.
It’s the first relocation of any Major League team since the Expos moved from Montreal to Washington D.C. in 2005 (and, of course, became the Washington Nationals). The move from Oakland to Vegas, while still not yet 100% official — hurdles remain to be cleared with the funding and construction of the new facility — will bring a 55-year run in Oakland to an end and leave Northern California as the sole territory of the cross-bay Giants.
The Athletics’ stadium outlook and potential relocation bid has been an ongoing source of drama over the past decade-plus, as the A’s have sought a move from their dilapidated environs in the Coliseum. Previous efforts to move to San Jose were protested by the Giants, claiming that to be an infringement on their territory. The A’s had similarly explored new facilities at various spots around the city, including a new stadium at the current site and, most recently, a new waterfront development in Oakland’s Howard Terminal neighborhood.
Whether those efforts were explored in good faith is debatable; Oakland mayor Sheng Thao has vocally disputed assertions from both Fisher and MLB commissioner that the Howard Terminal scenario was pursued to its fullest extent — instead contending that Fisher never had interest in remaining in Oakland and had been intent on a Vegas move all along.
Regardless, at this point in the process it’s largely a moot point. The move to Oakland is overwhelmingly likely at this point, marking the third recent loss of a major sports franchise for the city of Oakland, which has seen the NBA’s Warriors move across the bay to San Francisco and the NFL’s Raiders move to Las Vegas. The city of Las Vegas, meanwhile, has seen an influx of professional sports teams in recent years. In addition to the Raiders and the likely move of the Athletics, the NHL’s Golden Knights expansion franchise joined the league in 2017.
Heading into the 2024 season, A’s fans will be in an odd position — knowing full well that the relocation they’ve dreaded now looms and facing limited opportunities to cheer on the club they’ve followed for more than five decades (their entire lives, in many instances). At the same time, many will be loath to offer their money to further support an ownership group by whom they understandably feel jilted and betrayed. Beyond that, the team made little effort to field anything resembling a competitive product in recent years, tearing down the core of a team that went 316-230 from 2018-21 and made the playoffs on three straight occasions — including consecutive 97-win campaigns in 2018-19.
That slate of trades hasn’t produced any meaningful level of talent, and payroll has remained near the bottom of the league. Last year’s A’s flirted with a pace for the worst record in MLB history for the season’s first few months, and there’s no indication that ownership will approve any pushes to remedy the situation by allotting more resources to its baseball operations staff this offseason. It’s a bleak time for the Oakland faithful, as the book on their stay in the Bay Area is now on the cusp of closing with an unsatisfying and tumultuous final chapter.
zacharydmanprin
That’s disgusting.
Ban Jacob Nix. He knew Lindsey Hill was lying.
A team should be in vegas. But new wave of expansion teams.
Not this way.
Hopefully Oakland gets an expansion team.
drasco036
Yeah Oakland definitely should get an expansion team since they didn’t support a legacy team, they should get a second chance with a brand new team. **end sarcastic remark**
Oakland is a dump, ownership is a joke. They should have demanded new ownership, then approved a move.
A’sBelonginOakland
Ownership turned the Coliseum and attendance into a joke. Fans supported their team under the Haas ownership when they spent to obtain players. Fan base supports its team. Fisher drove the franchise into the ground to gain support for a move. Oakland raised close to 1B in public funding that is much more than the contested 395M Vegas raised. This move is all on ownership not the fan base. Moving from a larger market to a much smaller one makes no sense.
Ban Jacob Nix. He knew Lindsey Hill was lying.
Would you support the athletics after all they done under the current ownership? Hint: youd be stupid to do so.
Yeah its the fans fault Oakland has jettisoned Josh Donaldson, Matt Olson, Matt Chapman, and other franchise icons through the years opting to rebuild instead of paying people.
Its the fans fault ownership spends as little as possible in evdry facet of the game. Extensions, scouting, free agency, etc.
New team in oakland = new ownership group.
aragon
Any expansion teams with the cities they would play in will be revenue sharing receiving beggars. They simply don’t have large enough markets. Except, maybe, Montreal. But I doubt MLB wants to go back there.
Degaz
This. Lived there for almost a decade and the City took them for granted and never supported the team economically and they played in the absolutely worst stadium in America. It was literally a giant urinal. Community support was never great either. Oakland does NOT deserve another team until it can show it will both support it as a fanbase and economically.
Not a clever name
@aragon I think Nashville and Richmond could support a team. Richmond would likely be blocked by Baltimore and Washington though.
Not a clever name
@I.M insane, can’t speak to Baltimore as I don’t travel to the East coast. But Seattle is far from a toilet. It has its problems like all major cities but the per capital income is among the highest in the nation, there is quite a bit of corporate sponsorship available and the population in the city and the metro area continues to grow. Additionally the tv and radio markets extend into Oregon and the North western state that are growing rapidly. It’s a market MLB needs to be in and other sports leagues are figuring that out as well with hockey expanding there and the NBA likely to soon.
Not a clever name
@my account, that makes no sense. Why would all the girls refer to me as a sign stealing scandal.
Not a clever name
@NJbirdsfan.
1. Mlb knows we’re largely sheep and most fans that are left will become Giants Fans especially those in Sacramento and the east/north bay areas , and even if they do not there we’re not that many at this point to lose.
2.locals in Las Vegas love local products as much possibly more than other areas of the country. A product that is uniquely Vegas always does well there. That’s why the NHL team has done so well ( haven’t looked at how the raiders have done out of spite for mark Davis) but baseball in particular is a regionally supported sport, I suspect it will do very well in Las Vegas especially if there is any on field success at all
JerryCavender
As someone that is totally not in the loop (I live in Atlanta) it seems as though Oakland has been trying to build a new stadium for the A’s for 20 years. For whatever reason it wasn’t accomplished. Of course the mlb owners are gonna vote to relocate. Both the Athletics and Rays situations need to be figured out so there can be expansion. I just know it’s time for it to be resolved. Actually should’ve been a long time ago. Also as a bystander, city of Oakland doesn’t look good with losing the Warriors, Raiders and now A’s. I tend to be siding with the franchises.
JoeBrady
Try getting a better owner who will give the fans a competitive product.
====================
This is how I know that you’re one of those “fans” that never go to games. They’ve been in the playoffs 6 of the past 12 years, and that is competitive.
User 4245925809
Funny stuff. I don’t remember all those massive fan turnouts during the Charlie O owned years when Oakland was winning the WS.. finishing in 1st etc.. just about ever year from like ’70-’75. Oakland fans did the oppo and avoided the same stadium (Colosseum) while Charlie O’s mule was taking a dump around the playing field.
Catuli Carl
@the great bambi
Are they though? Here are some of their best seasons since 2001 and where they ranked among other teams in overall attendance despite having the largest stadium by capacity:
2001: 102-60, 19th in attendance
2002: 103-59, 18th in attendance
2003: 96-56, 17th in attendance
2004: 91-71, 19th in attendance
2005: 88-74, 19th in attendance
2006: 93-79, 26th in attendance
2012: 94-68, 27th in attendance
2013: 96-66, 23rd in attendance
2014: 88-74, 24th in attendance
2018: 97-65, 27th in attendance
2019: 97-65, 24th in attendance
2021: 87-76, 29th in attendance
GreenandGold
100%
great fan base, huge market, perennial winner, but liberal politics and an idiot as an owner
njbirdsfan
Exactly. And now they enter the awkward phase of enjoy the team while they’re still there, and feel dirty for giving Fisher more money, or boycott and miss out on seeing their team before they leave, thus proving the whole “Oakland fans don’t care” routine true.
njbirdsfan
Ah my favorite…Seattle is a toilet because all of the wealth is concentrated among a few people, and inevitably issues pop up.
But none of these people can explain why entire red states are dirt poor.
njbirdsfan
To be fair, the Golden Knights are supported because the NHL bent over backwards to see them be successful from day one. We’ll see how much people care when the window closes, which it does for everyone eventually.
njbirdsfan
I’d argue billionaire owners demanding public money for private enterprises is the exact opposite of liberal politics.
But that doesn’t fit your preconceived conclusion, so it has to be the libs.
Degaz
The one constant here is the Oakland Coliseum which I will once again state unequivocally is the WORST major pro stadium in all of America.. It’s a giant urinal. Anyone who states otherwise has not been there. The Giants ballpark was a Taj Mahal compared to that dump and drew non-baseball fans to the stadium. I had no problems getting the entire family to agree to go to Giants game regularly and most of them didn’t even like baseball and we lived in the East Bay. None of use were even Giants fans either.
Degaz
Why shouldn’t; they? The majority of pro sports teams get financial help from the city at one time or another. Why? Because it’s good for the city and is good for employment and business. Oakland officials never got that message…
Ever heard of the Chips Act? It’s no different…
GreenandGold
I agree with everything you said. However some of us are die-hards and this actually hurts. Make fun of me if you wish, but I can’t just go to a giants game when they played a huge roll in this. Oakland is a dump, but I was always hoping for San Jose. The greatest city in the Bay. Yes the greatest!
GreenandGold
I agree that the owners/billionaires should fund their own projects. However, in this situation from the Oakland side, it is liberal politics that prevent(ed) the growth of the city and team. Come to Oakland and you will see. 3 consecutive Oakland mayors were asking fisher and/or Wolff to build housing for the homeless and 20% of the real estate deal to also include 20% low-income housing in this venture. Facts. no pre-conceived notion here buddy. a lot of guilty parties, Oakland libs are partly to blame. Dont get me wrong though, screw fisher, all the owners, kaval and billy bean too.
unpaidobserver
Please understand that ultimately A’s ownership wanted the land underneath the stadium and therefore needed to get rid of the team. Sending them to Vegas at taxpayer expense will do.
SportsFan0000
Those are complete lies and BS based on bad information presented in some of the biased, paid media serving the interests of MLB, John Fisher and Las Vegas interests.
MLB Commissioners Selig and Manfred and John Fisher created these problems for the Oakland A’s..
Multiple, acceptable New stadium deals were presented for the SF Bay Area and Oakland including: San Jose, Santa Clara County, Oakland, Howard Terminal by the Bay, even the Oakland Coliseum parking lot where a new stadium was to be built in the parking lot and the old stadium was to be torn down for parking.
Many of those proposed deals were PRIVATELY FINANCED BY LOCAL BILLIONAIRES IN SF BAY AREA.
MLB DOES NOT WANT PRIVATELY FINANCED VENUES SINCE IT EXPOSES THEIR TAXPAYERS SUBSIDIZED STADIUM SCAM THAT HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR DECADES.
IF AN OWNER CAN AFFORD TO BUY AN MLB TEAM, THEN HE/SHE CAN AFFORD TO PUT UP AND PAY FOR THEIR OWN NEW STADIUM.
IF AN OWNER IS TOO CASH AND/OR CREDIT POOR, THEN HE/SHE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO OWN A MAJOR LEAGUE TEAM
PERIOD!!!!
SELIG, MANFRED, FISHER TURNED THEM ALL DOWN EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT THEY SETTLED FOR IN LAS VEGAS WITH ITS SMALL LOT ON THE STRIP.
SportsFan0000
First, your impression is incorrect.
1) The Warriors stayed in the SF Bay Area.
Owner Joe Lacob built a New privately funded state of the art arena
for the Warriors in Downtown San Francisco.
The Warriors started in San Francisco.
Lacob built the Warriors into a dynasty with multiple championships.
Lacob offered to buy the A’s and do the same for the A’s.
:Lacob had a standing offer to buy the A’s for 10 years?!
Fisher and MLB Commissioners SABOTAGED OFFER FOR LACOB
2) Raiders had other options in the SF Bay Area
Raiders were offered a “shared stadium” with the 49ers in Santa Clara in the Silicon Valley.
Mark Davis turned it down.
The Raiders would be selling out in Santa Clara and making a lot more money than they make in LV
So, it was fault of Mark Davis and the Raiders.
3) A’s Multiple Groups approached the A’s and MLB to buy the team, build a new stadium in the SF Bay Area.
Selig, Manfred, Fisher and the Giants sabotaged multiple viable deals for the A;’s in the SF Bay Area.
The A’s situation was created by MLB and John Fisher.
Former owner Walter Haas Jr(Levis) was breaking attendance records in the Oakland Coliseum where the A’s had 56K+fans for a few of their playoff games.
MLB AND FISHER ARE LYING TO THE MEDIA.
SportsFan0000
Charlie Finley was an Owner/GM
He drafted and built a dynasty with multiple Hall of Famers.
He should have hired some marketing whizzes and an expert negotiate more lucrative radio and TV deals.
Finley and the A’s were new to that market at the time.
SportsFan0000
FALSE
Fisher is a Republican who donates to Republican candidates and causes.
You know the kind who was born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple.
Fisher is a mooch who relies on “corporate welfare” from the fans
and he even mooches on his fellow owners relying on revenue sharing in the 6th largest TV market in the country.
Fisher demanded a 12 billion dollar project @ the Howard Terminal
Oakland lined up over a billion dollars in commitments and sharing of the costs.
Fisher could not qualify for financing.
So, at the last minute, after Oakland lined up all the approvals and permits
(the site was on the SF Bay and required more environmental and Coastal Commission approvals)
after the City of Oakland did everything that was asked of them and more.
then Fisher tried to ” move the goal posts” and ask for even more money form government officials?!
Then, Fisher pivots to a very tiny deal in comparison on the LV strip?!
with no chance at extra cash flows on the deal?!
This LV deal stinks like 3 week old dead fish.
SportsFan0000
They have the backwards “plantation mentality
where MLB and its Owners demand large amounts of corporate welfare
for new stadium deals.
Many Cities are not going for it.
SportsFan0000
That is because the former A’s Ownership stepped up and saved the SF/Tampa Giants from moving to Tampa in the early 1990’s.
The Oakland Coliseum has been a long running saga
like the fictional movie “Major League”
where the corrupt, incompetent Owner of a major league team
refuses to spend money tanks the team and the stadium
and hope to convince the press and other owners that the team should move from Cleveland to Florida.
SAME THING HAPPENED WITH THE A’s.
JUST ADD MLB COMMISSIONERS OFFICE INTO THE COMPLETE SABOTAGE PLOT
SportsFan0000
A’s tried to go to San Jose and Santa Clara County.
They were sabotaged by the Commissioner’s office
(Bud Selig) and the SF Giants
who saved the SF/Tampa Giants from moving to Tampa.
I am boycotting the Giants.
SportsFan0000
The A’s had Bud Selig’s former Frat brothers forced into the Ownership suite
when other, more competitive, more locally oriented, and better financed funded groups have sought to buy the A’s and build a stadium with private funds:
Examples include: Reggie Jackson bid in the early 2000’s backed by
Bill Gates, Paul Allen and James McCaw (Communications billionare)
Joe Lacob Owner of Golden State Warriors and builder of dynastic basketball team and privately funded new Arena for Warriors.
Lacob made multiple offers to buy the A’s and build a New Stadium with private funds either in the parking lot of the Coliseum and demolish the old stadium
OR Howard Terminal since Lacob has the cash, credit, connections and finances to get New Stadium deals done like the New basketball arena for the Warriors.
MLB: Bud Selig and Manfred and John Fischer REJECTED THOSE DEALS AND MANY OTHER VIABLE STADIUM AND OWNERSHIP DEALS.
Clearly, Manfred and Fisher had decided to move the team to Las Vegas at least 2 years ago and were just lying and stroking Oakland Officials all along.
The Blame goes to MLB and John Fischer.
theodore glass
Imagine being this dumb.
SportsFan0000
You are in the wrong department.
Confessions are down the hall.
tedtheodorelogan
Why would MLB give a franchise to a city that just chased all 3 of its profesional sports teams out of town?
I.M. Insane
Ted, Why should MLB keep teams in toilets like Baltimore and Seattle?
tedtheodorelogan
If the Baltimore and Seattle desperately needed new stadiums and the cities refused to budge on funding, I’m sure MLB would entertain a move for those franchises as well.
ckc12537
I went as an Astros fan before the SSS. It was nice then (Seattle). In the post-SSS era, fans are uglier to me than extreme political outliers are to their opponents. Maybe someday that will change…
Baseball_dude
Have you ever been to Camden yards? If your answer is no, then maybe try going then talk, if your answer is yes, then I guess you don’t like baseball ♂️
retire21
I’ll bite, what is SSS?
ckc12537
I went to Camden Yards in Sept 2021, it was so empty then…
myaccount2
@I.M.- If you actually think either of those cities are worse than Oakland, I don’t know what to tell you because they’re not. And I still support baseball in Oakland.
myaccount2
@ckc- Every time Houston is in town, I sit around Astro fans because you guys have traveled well since 2019. I’ve heard fans get heckled lightly but nothing that crosses the line. The only time I saw something excessive was in the street after a game when drunk Mariners and Astros fans went back and forth about the M’s not making the playoffs in 2022 (which we ended up doing, although guess who started that argument with s*** talking) and it never escalated to violence. My guess is you’ve talked a little crap back or you’re sensitive about minor heckling. Going to T-Mo is nothing like visiting an away stadium as a football fan.
myaccount2
@retire- sign stealing scandal (usually used for “small sample size,” though lol)
Enrico Pallazzo
Lol! if Seattle is a toilet then what do you consider places like Oakland, Cincinnati, and Cleveland?
Beff Jagwell
Zero chance that Oakland would get an expansion team. It doesn’t make sense for a multitude of reasons, but most importantly, for growth of the sport. MLB wants to grow their product, and Oakland isn’t a smart fit. Expansion will be into new markets.
Ban Jacob Nix. He knew Lindsey Hill was lying.
Why should the city budge on funding after decades of watching the team enter rebuild after rebuild? What evidence does the city of oakland have that with a new stadium ownership would put a better product on the field?
Padres got a new stadium back in 2006ish and that didnt result in spending to put a better product on the field.
Its like people have the memory of a fish cause they seem to forget A’s trading franchise icons like Donaldson Chapman Olson etc.
joblo
The sewage plant?
Bohs and Os
Considering the birds lost 110 games that season and you went in September is the reason. In 2021 total attendance at the yard was just under 800k so around 9k per game. Obviously the rebuild had something to do with that. In 2022 it was just under 1.4m around 17k per game. In 2023 it was just under 2m around 24k per game. Good for 21st in the league. Baltimore will support a winner.
Bobcastelliniscat
Cincinnati is a great place to live. Don’t speak about something you know nothing about.
RandalGrichuksStubble
Camden Yards is a great stadium City is a disgusting dump though.
RandalGrichuksStubble
Live in Columbus. Can confirm. Cincy is a solid city.
JCL10
Sign stealing scandal
websoulsurfer
Or real toilets like St Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit.
MattStats5
Tell me you’ve never attended a game in Seattle or Baltimore without saying you’ve never attended a game in Seattle or Baltimore.
SportsFan0000
FALSE AND MISLEADING INFO
City didn’t chase any teams away.
Warriors built new stadium in SF with private money
(The team is still a short BART ride away from Oakland)
The Raiders were offered a shared stadium with the 49ers in Santa Clara like SOFI in Inglewood shared by the Rams and Chargers.
Mark Davis (Raiders) is showing in LV that he cannot manage a hot dog stand.
A’s Multiple offers for New Owners and New A’s stadiums in SF Bay Area
ALL SABOTAGED BY MLB AND JOHN FISHER.
FISHER HAS ACCEPTED A MUCH SMALLER, VERY TINY LAND STADIUM IN LV
MORE INCOMPETENT OWNERSHIP, MORE CORPORATE WELFARE AND MORE REVENUE SHARING WELFARE FROM MLB.
ENJOY YOUR $30.00 HOT DOGS AND $35.00 SMALL BEERS.
SportsFan0000
PURE LIES AND MLB/JOHN FISCHER PROPAGANDA
Oakland approved multiple viable stadium deals for the A’s
that were rejected by MLB and Fischer.
Warriors stayed in the Area with a New Arena a 20 minute drive from the old Arena.
Raiders were offered a “shared stadium deal” with the 49ers in Santa Clara that would have generated many more fans and sell out crowds for the Raiders @ Levis Field in Santa Clara.
It works for the Rams and Chargers @ SOFI .
It works for the New Jersey Giants and New Jersey Jets at the Meadowlands.
New York LOST 2 FOOTBALL TEAMS to New Jersey
(Jets and Giants)
2 MLB FRANCHISES
(Dodgers and Giants)
(Move MLB HQ out of NY since it must not be a good city for baseball)?!
And 1 or 2 basketball teams to New Jersey (one came back to Brooklyn).
But, “the sky is falling narrative” from some who are pushing an agenda
and their own hypocrisy.
The Las Vegas deal is much smaller than any of the deals proposed in the SF Bay Area and Oakland’
and will produce less revenues, require revenue sharing and MLB waived a 400M relocation fee for A’s to LV?!
FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, THIS LAS VEGAS DEAL IS A BIG LOSER OCMPARED TO THE SF BAY AREA DEALS.
SportsFan0000
Fake News , Fake Facts from the Pants on Fire Liars Media fed
by press releases from MLB, John Fischer and others pushing their own agenda
The general consensus among knowledgeable people.
is that MLB Bud Selig/Rob Manfred, A’s Owner John Fischer
and SF Giants Ownership
SCREWED Oakland and SF Bay Area Fans
SABOTAGED Multiple Stadium deals in SF Bay Area and Oakland
LIED, REPEATEDLY, TO OAKLAND AND SF BAY AREA OFFICIALS AND FANS
STONEWALLED Oakland and SF Bay Area Officials
SET A MUCH HIGHER BAR for Oakland and SF Bay Area Stadium deals
DELIBERATELY REJECTED MULTIPLE VIABLE STADIUM DEALS FOR THE A’S
IN OAKLAND:
Howard Terminal Deal ( a 12billion dollar deal)
Oakland Coliseum Parking lot deal
(build new stadium and tear down old Oakland Coliseum)
MLB & SF GIANTS DELIBERATELY SABOTAGED DEALS outside of Oakland in SF Bay Area to force A’s out of SF Bay Area in order to create a monopoly for the SF Giants in the SF Bay Area
BLOCKED COMPETITIVE BIDDING FOR OWNERSHIP OF A’s
Reggie Jackson A’s Icon and Hall of Famer, African American)
(with financial Partners Bill Gates, Paul Allen & John McCaw BLOCKED FROM BUYING A’S BY BUD SELIG..
Selig pushed “Insider Deal for his White Fraternity brothers (Wolfe and John Fischer) .
Fischer was allowed inside track to by the team after Wolfe retired.
AN OPEN COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS
WAS BLOCKED/RIGGED 2X in favor of Bud Selig’s White Fraternity Bros?!
INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM BY MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL:
A TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE
Golden State Warriors Owner Joe Lacob BLOCKED FROM BUYING TEAM.
Lacob has 10 year “standing offer” to buy the A’s and build new stadium with private funding in SF Bay Area.
Lacob successfully built dynastic Warriors and New basketball arena with private funding in SF.
Lacob was BLOCKED by Bud Selig, Manfred and Fischer from owning the A’s.
MULTIPLE VIABLE DEALS ample financing in Santa Clara County/Silicon Valley BLOCKED BY MLB AND SF GIANTS.
Bud Selig admitted, publicly, that Santa Clara County territory GIFTED BY A’s to SF Giants to SAVE GIANTS from moving to Tampa in 1990’s was a “TEMPORARY LOAN”.
According to former A’s Owner Walter Haas Jr (Levis) and Bud Selig who had conversations with Haas at the time. Haas expected the Santa Clara County/Silicon Valley territory gifted to the Giants to be RETURNED TO THE A’S after the SF Giants built their new stadium.
SF Giants stadium was not built in Santa Clara County(the whole reason for the territory gift to get Giants new stadium in Santa Clara County and save them from moving to Tampa). SF Giants new stadium was built in downtown San Francisco.
I
Cisco Field Deal in downtown San Jose was blocked by Selig and SF Giants
Santa Clara Great America deal by amusement park (where 49ers later built Levis field) blocked by by Selig and SF Giants
This entire process with the A’s have been a complete F-UP and DUMPSTER FIRE CREATED BY Selig, Manfred, Fischer, the SF Giants.
It WAS NOT THE FAULT OF OAKLAND, SF BAY AREA OFFICIALS OR THE FANS.
Big PR Coverup by MLB, the SF Giants and Fischer of the A’s.
This whole A’s stadium situation is loaded with LIES, FALSE STATEMENTS, BACKROOM UNDERHANDED DEALINGS BY BUD SELIG, JOHN FISCHER, MANFRED, MLB
IN FORCING A’S OUT OF SF BAY AREA TO Create monopoly for Giants.
GreenandGold
Fisher = racist
FisherSux
Clearly someone who’s never been to Seattle and has no clue what he’s talking about.
hopper15
Oakland is done. Once they couldn’t get the relocation to San Jose I knew this was coming.
Dogbone
I don’t care how they divide the huge profit on thee sale – BUT I hope those rich clowns pay a hefty tax on those profits. But of course it’s more likely that they have already paid lawmakers to pass loopholes in the tax laws that will enable them to get away without paying anywhere near – what we’d pay if any of us hit a small jackpot at a casino.
Benjamin101677
Oakland is a horrible city; most areas are crime ridden and won’t draw fans. Even the areas they talked about for a new stadium won’t be very safe
Steve E.
Truth
websoulsurfer
You do know that you are 5 times more likely to be the victim of a crime in Las Vegas than in Oakland? I mean you can look it up if you don’t believe me. Oakland has a higher murder rate, but murders are a tiny portion of crime. I would rather walk around Jack London Square at 2 am than the Strip and if a new stadium is built the neighborhood will as well. Look at what happened in San Diego when Petco was built. East Village and the Gaslamp was not a nice place to be at night before that happened.
SportsFan0000
FALSE, FALSE AND FALSE.
SportsFan0000
And you know this how?!
By the fake news, fake media?!
Oakland is poised for a boom!
MLB is “missing the boat”
But Oligarchs love their monopolies
UNTIL THE ARE SUED IN COURT AND INVESTIGATED BY CONGRESS.
VegasSDfan
They won’t and Vegas may not embrace the As. I’m sure fans of baseball and other teams will show up.
websoulsurfer
You are sure? They don’t show up for Raiders games. Why do you think they will for the A’s?
SportsFan0000
RAIDERS ARE DRAWING NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE IN LV.
MARK DAVIS IS A TERRIBLE OWNER
WHO JUST FIRED ANOTHER GM AND COACH.
LV BACKED A LOSER.
A’s are owned by John Fisher, who is a worse owner that Frank McCourt was with the Dodgers.
Good luck with that MORON JOHN FISHER
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
They don’t need expansion teams for at least another 10-15 yea4w. Doubt Oakland would be on the list of expansion possibilities. They’ve needed their own stadium for over 20 years and never got one. I just can’t see it happening now.
websoulsurfer
There will absolutely be expansion in the next CBA. 2 new teams. Realignment of divisions as well.
There is too much money at stake for the other 30 owners.
Catuli Carl
Nah, Oakland shouldn’t have an MLB team. The fans simply don’t come out even when they’re good and the Giants are a stones throw away. Nashville and Charlotte are both better candidates for an expansion team.
SportsFan0000
FALSE!
SF BAY AREA HAS 7M PEOPLE, 577BILLION ANNUAL GDP
AND HAD RECORD ATTENDANCE OF 56,000 FOR PLAYOFFS GAMES.
Walter Haas was a great owner who spent money, had winning teams
and fan support.
John Fisher is a complete idiot, cannot run a team, has fire sales every few years and uses corporate welfare and MBL subsidies for the A’s because he is too stupid and too incompetent to run a successful MLB team.
FisherSux
Wrong. Fans came out before the park became a true wreck. Oakland has far more population and money than those little markets. A decent entertainment experience would do fine in Oakland. Not a park that should have been torn down 20 years ago.
websoulsurfer
Why should a team be in Las Vegas? It’s the smallest market by far. The largest industry is prohibited by law from participating in any way. They cannot buy tickets, luxury boxes, or advertising. They can’t sponsor a patch on the sleeve or get their name on the stadium.
They will be building the smallest stadium in baseball by far. Few people come to Las Vegas for sporting events. They couldn’t sell out F1. The Raiders who presented the same argument about build it and they will come from far and wide are among the lowest in attendance in football and the lowest in out of state tickets sold. Baseball in Las Vegas is doomed before it even begins.
Halo11Fan
Oakland doesn’t deserve a team. The fans do, not the city.
SportsFan0000
Las Vegas has the strip. Drive away from the strip and it is very dumpy and run down./
JoeBrady
Welcome to the real world. Every major city is like this.
SportsFan0000
That is your opinion, but it is false based on the data.
ham77
Too many teams in California anyway. They should move at least one more out of there (Angels?) to a better market.
norcalguardiansfan
You think the biggest state in the nation should have LESS teams? LA isn’t a good market?
I’m for expansion into a variety of markets, but there are not too many teams in California.
ckc12537
The biggest state is Alaska, then Texas. I’m assuming you meant biggest by population though?
Beff Jagwell
Texas only has 2 teams. So with the logic that California doesn’t have too many, I guess Texas needs 2-3 more as well.
User 2079935927
Ham77-Move The Angels out of the OC? A fan base thats draws 3M? Orange County is one of the nicest places to live. You’re smoking way too much dope.
SportsFan0000
California has 40Million people.
It can easily support at least 6 MLB TEAMS .
Padres, Dodgers, Angels all draw in excess of 3M fans per year each,
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Same thing will happen with A’s and Giants if they had competent ownership and NOT SUCH A WEAK COMMISSIONER WHO REFUSED TO APPLY THE RULES AND LAWS EQUALLY TO ALL TEAMS AND CITIES.
Letsplaytwotomorrow
Good luck putting fannys in the seats. People forget Vegas is a small city with a large name. This will end up being a black eye for MLB.
Catuli Carl
Yeah because the Raiders and Golden Knights are really struggling to sell tickets.
The population of Oakland, CA (much of which supports the Giants anyway) is 433,823. The population of Las Vegas is 646,790.
Asfan0780
30 plus years as a fan down the toilet. Im a bay area native but oakland is a joke, both the team and city. I’m also done with watching baseball. I’ll only return if they get another expansion team but doubt that ever happens
FisherSux
Way off. The media market is 10th in the nation. Vegas is 40th. forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2023/09/21/the-oakland…
MuleorAstroMule
I wonder if going to sporting events is something tourists like to do and if Las Vegas has many tourists.
Deadguy
Hey Jesus!
SportsFan0000
MLB OWNERS WILL BE SUDIZING A LV TEAM WITH REVENUE SHARING SINCE THE MARKET IS TOO SMALL TO DRAW FOR 82 GAMES IN 100-120 DEGREE WEATHER ,
SportsFan0000
Raiders near bottom of NFL in attendance.
Moving the Raiders DID NOT SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS WITH BAD OWNERSHIP.
It will be the same with the A’s.
After the novelty of a new team wears off, then attendance will drop like a rock with completely incompetent John Fischer Ownership of the A’s.
MLB is trying to put “lipstick on a pig”
The Pig being John Fischere,
GreenandGold
Disgusted
Deadguy
Now I’m boycotting MLB… Budlight and the NFL
SportsFan0000
Citizens Groups in Nevada are rising up to put an initiative on the ballot
that would strip the Nevada taxpayer financing from the proposed LV stadium deal and there by kill the proposed A’s New Stadium in Las Vegas.
redsox>
dang. kinda suprised its unanimous, but at the same time not because of revenue sharing.
Big whiffa
That’s bc all 29 owners understand their product is more valuable w a team in vegas vs Oakland
njbirdsfan
I don’t really see how moving from the Bay area market to a much smaller one makes you more valuable in my opinion.
But whatever. I’m sure some Vegas residents will care, but it will be more of a road trip destination for opposing fans. Good luck filling that place on a Tuesday night in April vs any non premier franchise.
DanUgglasRing
Smallest TV market in MLB. a real estate complex deal for ownership laundered under a shroud of “poor attendance”. When an owner flat out refuses to invest in their team, the city, and the fans then INTENTIONALLY sabotages the payroll and roster to leverage a move the league should step in and force a sale not reward them. This is going to change baseball for the worse in a huge way going forward and mark my words, Cincinnati Baltimore KC Milwaukee etc. are all watching this unfold.
Bob Sacamano 310
Hit the nail on the head. I would think a lot of opposing team fans would plan Vegas trips around seeing their team play there.
Benjamin101677
The Oakland market is not great; it is crime ridden area all around the current stadium and the proposed new stadiums are homeless and lots of crime. Nobody wants to go into Oakland to watch them
A’sBelonginOakland
Or filling the stadium in July when it’s 110. Dome or not.
DanUgglasRing
Saint Louis is the most dangerous city in the US. Baltimore, Los Angeles, keep making this flaccid argument though.
Blue Baron
@DanUgglasRing: “This is going to change baseball in a huge way going forward and mark my words…”
Blah blah blah hyperbole hyperbole blah blah more hyperbole blah blah more hyperbole blah.
Crap. Essentially the same thing happened in St Louis with the Browns and a few other places and franchises, the teams relocated, and life went on.
Still other franchises such as the Brooklyn Dodgers, New York Giants, both Washington Senators, and the Milwaukee Braves grabbed opportunities to move to greener pastures, the teams relocated, and life went on.
Ironically, the Kansas City A’s did the same thing when they moved to Oakland.
Teams relocate and baseball survives. No need for hand-wringing and screaming catastrophe and bloody murder.
Bob Sacamano 310
What was Oakland drawing last couple years around the same time, 3-4k?
DanUgglasRing
You don’t think other teams are going to pull this stunt in the near future? Better start clutching your pearls in advance pal.
DanUgglasRing
Nobody is going to watch a terrible team lose in the Taj Mahal much less whatever the minimum Fisher can get done while still pocketing a few bucks in Vegas. The true irony here is all the clowns making the argument about Oakland having homelessness and crime. Have you ever heard of Las Vegas before?
Blue Baron
@DanUgglasRing: I don’t wear pearls, and if they do, so be it.
It’s just market economics at work.
PKCasimir
Right, I’m going to plan my vacation in Vegas so I can watch a lousy baseball team in 110 degree heat.
Halo11Fan
The A’s are my local team, and I wouldn’t go to Oakland. Today, I wouldn’t go to San Francisco either.
I will travel to Vegas to see a game.
User 401527550
Yes those casino’s sure get empty that time of year. Who would dare Brave a game in the A/c.
VegasSDfan
Fans will be more likely to be in a dome with AC in July than walking around outside. Especially if there are bars, and food inside
Bob Sacamano 310
I mean, people do that already: travel to see their favorite team on the road. Now you can make it a Vegas trip. Last I checked, people still travel to Vegas in the summer. Has nothing to do with the quality of the A’s team.
In my initial post, “their” means the visitor’s team. Not their as in Vegas’ team. But I guess reading comprehension is hard for some.
Degaz
I don’t get the tears for Oakland. I lived in the East Bay farther east than Oakland for years and it was very easy to support he SF Giants and I went to dozens of games over the years. Very easy to travel across the Bay.
Zippy the Pinhead
The cities you mentioned might be watching this unfold, but they note that the owners of their teams voted for this move, even though any one of them could have made a positive statement to their home fans by voting no (cynically knowing it would pass anyway).
Letsplaytwotomorrow
That may work for rabid NFL fans, not so much for MLB.
drtymike0509
The owners saw this and thus put in the tax designation to cover their butts if he flips it right after. A new stadium and market are a win overall for all of them but they obviously don’t trust the guy and why should they
kje76
I’d be pleased to go to a game in Vegas in April. It’s a whole lot more palatable than a game in Vegas in the heat of the summer!
JoeBrady
I’m a RS fan from NYC. It’s not much tougher or more expensive to go LV rather than Boston.
Catuli Carl
@ njbirdsfan
Yeah because the Raiders and Golden Knights are really struggling to sell tickets.
The population of Oakland, CA (much of which supports the Giants anyway) is 433,823. The population of Las Vegas is 646,790.
GreenandGold
Fvck the gnats
websoulsurfer
They don’t for the Raiders. Why will that change for the A’s?
websoulsurfer
It isn’t working for the NFL. The Raiders are at the bottom in attendance and in drawing out of state fans.
websoulsurfer
Are you kidding me? You can take the Acela from NYC to Boston for $114 R/T in 3.5 hours, catch an afternoon game. and be home the same night.
Even a non-stop to Vegas is 6 hours in the air each way and another 4 hours in airports. That is going to set you back $400 R/T or more. The taxi to and from the airport isn’t free either. Then there is the 2 or more nights of hotels.
Tigers3232
@Dan Uggla, you seem to be missing that they are the 3rd pro sports team now to leave the city. Blaming this on the A’s is laughable.
SportsFan0000
The SF Bay Area market that includes Oakland is one of the riches and most lucrative sports market in the US.
SportsFan0000
THAT IS THE FAULT OF INCOMPETENT A’S OWNER JOHN FISCHER.
SportsFan0000
Then, you will support the repealing of MLB’s Anti Trust exemption.
SportsFan0000
Most A’s fans will not support the Giants.
There is an intense rivalry between the Giants and the A’s
SportsFan0000
You obviously HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ISSUES HERE.
The
Warriors stayed in the SF Bay Area and are only a 20 minute drive from Oakland.
Warriors Owner Joe Lacob who built a dynasty and a new Warriors Arena
has a 10 year standing offer to buy the A’s and build them a New Stadium
(Howard Terminal or Oakland Coliseum site).
Selig, Manfred, MLB, Fischer and the Giants have sabotaged all viable deals in SF Bay Area for the A’s.
Raiders were offered a “shared stadium” with the 49ers in Santa Clara.
It works fine for the Rams and Chargers # SOFI in Inglewood,.
SF Bay Area IS A REGION THAT INCLUDES OAKLAND, 12 COUNTIES AND 7 MILLION PEOPLE.
Blue Baron
@SportsFan0000: Why are you SHOUTING?
jimbobsjorts
It’s also because the owners don’t want to set a precedent for denying moves in case they decide they want to move their teams in the future. Many might disagree with the Vegas move, but their personal interests trump and moral objections.
SportsFan0000
SHORT SIGHTED MOVE.
Running the Financial numbers that don’t make dollars and sense.
Waiving a 400M RELOCATION FEE FOR THE A’S?!
FISHER RUSHED THIS DEAL BECAUSE HE REFUSES TO SPEND MONEY TO MAKE THE A’S COMPETITIVE.
MLB GAVE FISHER AN ULTIMATUM TO GET A DEAL FAST OR LOSE REVENUE SHARING FROM MLB.
FISHER IS USING THE A’s REVENUE STREAMS AS HIS OWN PERSONAL ATM MACHINE.’
OPEN THE A’S BOOKS FOR THE ENTIRE PUBLIC TO SEE.
MOST LIKELY, WE WILL FIND THAT FISHER IS THE AL VERSION OF FRANK MCCOURT.
SportsFan0000
29 Owners were giving a slanted “puff piece” presentation
that did not address the major, real reasons for the stadium problems
team attendance and support and more in Oakland.
Rejection of multiple viable New Stadium projects
and Offers to buy the A’s and build a New Stadium with private funds in the SF Bay Area.
The 300 pound “elephant in the room”
is the incompetent Owner John Fischer.
“Waiver of 400M Relo fees”
“Revenue Sharing” subsidizing the A’s indefinitely in Las Vegas?!
Poor team construction?!
“Fire Sales” of players every few years.
Using A’s Team revenues as the Owner’s own personal ATM machine
and not reinvesting team revenues into the team?!
Fischer WILL BE EXPOSED AS THE TOTAL INCOMPETENT OWNER THAT HE IS.
sonorawind
Well, Jeffrey Loria was exposed as a totally incompetent owner………..and MLB rewarded him quite handsomely for it.
Blue Baron
@dingers69: What difference would it make if a few owners voted against it other than making a random fan feel better?
CarverAndrews
An utter travesty….
Blue Baron
More needless hyperbole.
Beff Jagwell
Agree. It’s not a travesty at all. Having a team that isn’t good, and is no longer supported, is a travesty. Move them to a new market and gain more baseball fans. Then move the Rays, and possibly the Marlins too.
Any team that can’t sustain at LEAST 18,000 fans per game on average over a set amount of time (3-5 years), should be moved. I know it’s not that simple logistically, but it’s great in theory!
GreenandGold
It is a travesty when the owner, the giants and the liberal politicians are all working against the new ballpark.
Inside job.
SportsFan0000
Well 2 right is not bad.
Liberal Politicians had nothing to do with A’s predicament or move.
Conservative Owner John Fischer was looking of billions of dollars in taxpayer handouts.
It is their job to prevent the theft of public funds by wealthy individuals.
These same kinds of people rejected multiple major taxpayer subsidies for the 49ers and the Giants.
Many viable, privately financed stadium options were available.
CarverAndrews
I spend very little time in the comments section during the course of a year due to the fact that it suffers from the same disease that almost all social media sites share.
The site itself is very well run and offers a ton of value to those of us that are addicted to baseball. The vast bulk of the commenters, however, are rather useless, and oftentimes worse than useless Which isn’t to say that there are not quite a few rather good ones on here, and they should not be painted with the same brush. It is just that it is not worth wading through the garbage to find the hidden value most of the time so generally I just stick with the site itself.
You, Blue Baron, are a part of the diseased portion. Which is a shame, in a way, as clearly you possess a certain amount of intelligence and knowledge. Oh, not nearly as much as you believe, but not negligible anyway. Unfortunately is is fully engulfed by the fact that you are such a huge @$$hole most of the time that any other value you might possess is overwhelmed by your innate personality disorder.
Blue Baron
Thank you for that.
Whatever it is that you don’t like about my posts, apparently you believe it’s OK for you to attack me because you have a right to judge me.
Two questions:
1. What are you trying to accomplish here? Do you expect that I will somehow change because of something you say?
2. How would you like me to respond to your personal attack?
CarverAndrews
@BB: I really do not care in the least how you respond, or what you do on here. It is not my site, and I merely responded to your unnecessary attack, with the context that also noted that I have seen you do this quite often before in my limited exposure.
However I am sorry for breaking my own rule that applies on those rare occasions when I am on here, which is only to respond to those posters that actually come on here to be a net positive and add some real value on top of the regular site content. Carry on…
Blue Baron
Fine. I am still unsure of your motivation for putting me on the defensive and offering nothing constructive.
But whatever.
CarverAndrews
Constructive advice? Review your own posting history, and how you interact with others.
Blue Baron
And in your mind, it was OK for you to attack me to get this message across because, after all, I’m the bad guy and you’re not.
Pot, meet Kettle.
Not only did I not seek advice from you, but you didn’t say anything I haven’t heard before.
I express my opinions, same as everyone else.
If you don’t like how I do that, there’s nothing I can do about it. Haranguing me doesn’t make me want to even if I could.
Have a nice day.
redsrock92
redsrock92@gmail.com
redsrock92
Hypocrites, and Pete is still banned then you move a team to Vegas. Proving the owners are all for money and the hell with everyone else
Big whiffa
Pete broke the rules and the law. If anyone on the vegas team is caught gambling on baseball – they’ll pay an equal consequence
Ban Jacob Nix. He knew Lindsey Hill was lying.
No they wont.
Theyll get suspended but not an outright life time ban.
Theyll get more games if they bet on their teams but less if they bet on other teams.
Nfl had to adjust their own policy recently after players betting on their own team to win.
And the issue wasnt the betting it was betting at the team complexes. Had they placed bets at home probably little to no suspension.
Kc smoke
Baseball hates pete and won’t put him in the hall until he’s passed away, if they ever do.
Blue Baron
@redsrock92: Who asked for your email address and why post it publicly?
redsrock92
Yea and Pete Rose is still suspended for life, then you move a team and bate the players into gambling by this move. Hypocrisy at its highest.
rememberthecoop
I don’t think it matters. Everyone has a gambling app on their phones these days, so it won’t matter much the location of a team. If someone is going to bet, they’re gonna bet, regardless of where the team is based, IMO.
tedtheodorelogan
You know any baseball player can easily gamble from anywhere in the world at the touch of a button now, right?
Giants78
Back in the day, college and pro players signed agreements to not gamble to protect the integrity of the game. Also, last century, players could easily gamble with a simple phone call to a bookie, so not much different than today. Gambling was banned then, now pro sports encourages players gambling. Sad to see it.
JoeBrady
bate the players into gambling by this move
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How do you think this works? Like some dude that would never bet on a game is suddenly playing in LV, walks by a casino, and walks to the window in front a of thousand people, and bets on the As?
phantomofdb
Tampa should be the one losing their team. Oakland actually supports their team when the owners are willing to put out a good product.
fljay73
So the whole blame is on MLB or the A’s? From what I have read the city of Oakland has to take some of the blame. The new proposed Rays stadium will be built within a whole new redevelopment (unlike what is there now).
Troy Percival's iPad
I say the blame is 100% on Fisher. Oakland (and Alameda? County) stood up more than anyone to an owner. Fisher could build it himself, he just wants local government to subsidize his billion dollar toy. Manfred specializes in I’m-gonna-screw-local-government-into-subsidizing-the-cost-of-the-team’s-stadium Law. That’s how he got the Commissioner’s Job
tedtheodorelogan
At some point when an owner of a business entity is threatening to leave if you don’t compromise on a deal, you need to play ball or see them take off. Oakland had 3 pro teams a few years ago. Now they have zero, because they are stubborn. All that tax revenue out the window.
Degaz
City of Oakland is garbage and did nothing to keep the A’s in town. She played their cards and got called….bye bye Oakland A’s. And yes I lived in the East bay and went to the human urinal of a stadium many times but mainly for the CIF North Coast Championships which we were in every year..
websoulsurfer
Raiders moved because of Fisher. Read what Mark Davis said about it.
The Warriors moved 15 minutes away. Not exactly abandoning the Bay Area.
Oakland approved the Howard Terminal site. Got Fisher hundreds of millions in infrastructure costs paid for. Paid for the EIR and to defend multiple lawsuits against building the ballpark at Howard Terminal. The Governor signed a bill to expedite construction at the Howard Terminal site. Fisher was to get control of a $12 billion development. Then with a couple weeks left, Fisher asked for $600 million more taxpayer dollars. He knew full well that California law required a process of public meetings that could take 6 months before a vote could even be taken.
Now he is moving to Las Vegas where there will be no development to capitalize on, The most fans they will ever be able to have in the stadium is 22k less than the biggest crowd in Oakland in the last 4 years.
SportsFan0000
WRONG, WRONG AND WRONG
Warriors New Arena is 20 minutes away from the old one.
San Francisco voters rejected numerous ballot initiatives requiring massive corporate welfare subsidies of the Giants and 49ers.
Privately financed deals were made for new Giants and Warriors facilities in San Francisco.
A’s and Raiders were offered privately financed stadium deals.
MLB IS COMMITTED TO SHAKING DOWN THE TAXPAYERS TO PAY FOR A NEW BUILDING FOR THEIR PRIVATE BUSINESSES.
MLB AND TEAM OWNERS WANTED TO “SOCIALIZE THE RISKS”
AND “PRIVATIZED THE GAINS AND PROFITS”.
Should the government be forcing taxpayers to subsidize/pau for new buildings for private businesses?! private
SportsFan0000
Studies have proven that large, taxpayer subsidized private sports facilities are money losing deals for Cities, Counties and States
njbirdsfan
I don’t think Oakland can win.
Give Fisher his money, and they’re accused of ignoring their infrastructure and public issues.
Don’t, and they’re anti business and not willing to do what it takes to keep a team.
And now every owner of every sports team has the playbook to leverage cities for free money or walk. But somehow capitalists are suddenly ok with handouts, as long as they’re getting them.
SportsFan0000
The pro sports stadium EXTORTION OF TAXPAYERS MONIES
HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS.
Big whiffa
Go read about the stadium they are going to build in tampa, it’s unreal, it’s going to be revolutionary and a community all in its own. Brilliant idea.
SportsFan0000
It is a BAD IDEA SINCE MOST OF THE FANS COME FROM ST. PETE.
Rays are building a new stadium in a very inconvenient location
that the local fans do not support and cannot quickly get to on most baseball days without a lot of big hassles.
njbirdsfan
It’s pretty pathetic that we’re rewarding a team with a new stadium that is in the exact same location with the already known traffic issues, who couldn’t draw 20k for a playoff game, and yet let’s yank a team out of Oakland because they didn’t play the give the billionaire his handout at the expense of public infrastructure game.
Benjamin101677
Have you actually been to Oakland?
SportsFan0000
Yes I have,
And, I have watched some A’s games @ the Coliseum.
Multiple, great new stadium ideas and proposals have been
blocked by MLB, Fischer and the Giants.,
JoeBrady
Oakland actually supports their team when the owners are willing to put out a good product.
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Do you people even look at the numbers?
Over the past 12 years, they’ve made the playoffs 6 times, which is better than average, and have averaged less than 18,000. No one goes to the games. Of their 17,759 average attendees, most of them were probably fans of the other team.
I’m a RS fan, and we have it good, but that’s because the fans go to every game, even when we are not in contention.
If you don’t go to the games, you don’t deserve a team. That’s all there is to it.
websoulsurfer
Maybe you need to look at the numbers. Prior to 2021 when Kaval literally told fans NOT to come to games, the A’s were around 20k in attendance most years this century. They outdrew The Marlins, Rays, Pirates, Orioles, and White Sox this century. All while playing in the biggest pit in baseball that was built in 1966.
baseball-reference.com/teams/OAK/
JoeBrady
I never said that they were last in attendance, only that they were poor in attendance. So your point that they are only 25th in attendance doesn’t really register with me.
websoulsurfer
They have been 27th in spending. They got more fans than they spent dollars.
RockinRobin
I understand your comment about TB. But how is Oakland supporting their team? They average 773,000 fans the three seasons.
Heck, 7 of the last 12 seasons have been winning baseball. Six post season trips. They cracked 2MIL in attendance once since 2006. Doesn’t sound like support to me.
numberoneslayerfan
this is dumb
SD_Jon
Just sitting here shaking my head
its_happening
The right call. So many issues at-play here. If Oakland truly is a hot baseball market an expansion team will be ready to roll in Oak-Town. Just like Montreal.
JoeBrady
100% true. That’s how rich people make their money-by discovering under-served markets.
RunDMC
Why would you provide an expansion team without a decent facility? And why would you build without a team? Chicken or the egg scenario that may not be the case in other cities more interested in a team by providing the local gov’t support.
its_happening
Exactly RunDMC.
JoeBrady
Spot-on correct. Oakland is now open. I assume that every billionaire in the US can start a team there, presuming there is a market & stadium.
Anyone disagree? Even one person?
websoulsurfer
Oakland has the Howard Terminal site approved. All they need is a team. They could literally break ground tomorrow.
its_happening
And someone with money can choose at least 5 better cities to start a franchise over Oakland. Probably closer to 10 or more.
websoulsurfer
6th biggest TV market. stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets Not many markets that can match it and NYC, LA, and Chicago are not adding another team. Neither are Philadelphia or Dallas-Ft Worth.
Hard to match a pre-approved $12 billion waterfront development that is larger than any in MLB today.
But it could happen elsewhere. Just can’t think of where it’s possible.
its_happening
The market does not care about baseball. Second, biggest does not mean best. Third, biggest does not mean best economy. Forth, crime rate. We can go on and on.
Bet Vegas, Nashville, Charlotte, San Antonio, Indianapolis, Omaha, OKC, a second Boston squad, a third NY squad, Columbus, would all be better spots than Oakland and there’s probably more to add. Oakland fans had their chance and found better things to do than support the A’s.
JoeBrady
They could literally break ground tomorrow.
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Good news for the As fans, right?
Site is ready and the fans are great. They should have a new owner in there tomorrow.
SportsFan0000
False! SF Bay Area has 577Billion dollars in yearly GDP.
Name some other cities not in California that can match that?!
SportsFan0000
FALSE, FALSE, FALSE AND FALSE,
Your comments sound like a press release coming from either MLB offices or John Fischer’s Administrative Assistant
NONE OF THOSE CITIES can hold even an economic candle to the SF Bay Area..
Manfred and MLB ARE MOVING THE A’s to
CONTINUE THEIR CORPORATE WELFARE FROM TAXPAYERS EXTORTION RACKET.
MULTIPLE PRIVATELY FINANCED STADIUM DEALS WERE REJECTED BY MLB IN THE SF BAY AREA FOR THE A’s.
Reggie Jackson with Bill Gates, Paul Allen and John McCaw had the billions to privately finance the team and a new stadium project
(REJECTED BY MLB)
DITTO WITH WARRIORS OWNER JOE LACOB
STANDING OFFER FOR 10 YEARS TO BUY THE A’S AND BUILD A NEW STADIUM WITH PRIVATE FUNDS.
IT WOULD EXPOSE THE TAXPAYER SUBSIDIES SCAM BEING RUN BY MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IF THEY ALLOWED MORE PRIVATELY FUNDED STADIUMS.
SO, THEY TAKE A SMALLER, LESS LUCRATIVE DEAL IN LV?!
its_happening
If anything you said had a hint of truth, Oakland would have a thriving team and nobody would leave.
Reality is here when you’re ready.
SportsFan0000
I realize that these discussions are “completely over your head”
And that you have zero knowledge and zero to contribute to this discussion at this time.
Google it.
Educate yourself.
Then, discuss it!
its_happening
Oakland…does not…support baseball…period.
This conversation is over your head while you come up with conspiracy theories to validate how you feel. Bottom line, the market is not into the A’s nor were willing to support when the pressure of leaving mounted.
But continue, please, to give us nonsense. You’re terrific at it.
harrycarey
How fitting on a day when the Oligarchs meet in Oakland metro area the baseball Oligarchs move one team to a new state. People should remember whose team it is. You may be a fan a super fan a season ticket holder it is NOT your team. To the local A’s fan get your tickets every 2 years when they play the Giants.
njbirdsfan
You seem to be taking the side of the oligarch who says it’s MY team, and yet it’s not solely THEIR team when they want to build a new stadium, is it?
I don’t think it’s too much to ask that as a taxpayer I get some input as to stadium issues when a portion of my tax dollars are being used to fund the construction and renovation of these places.
Call me a stupid socialist, but taxpayer dollars are used by private entities to transport goods on roads, our money funded the creation of the internet, GPS, etc.
Shouldn’t we get some tiny sliver of call it profit sharing on our forced investment?
JoeBrady
I don’t think it’s too much to ask that as a taxpayer I get some input as to stadium issues when a portion of my tax dollars are being used to fund the construction and renovation of these places.
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You do get input. Every year, people are elected. They make decisions on your behalf. If you don’t like their decisions, vote them out of office.
its_happening
Not enough taxpayers care about the Oakland Athletics.
SportsFan0000
FRUCK THE GIANTS!
BOYCOTT THE GIANTS!
FletcherFan69
So they can get all this stadium stuff done in a single year yet I’be been banned from Petco Park for 6 years without any word about my unbanning? I have sent hundreds of letters, emails, faxes, and calls with ZERO response. Good to see these knuckleheads have their priorities in order… NOT
Troy Percival's iPad
FREE FLETCHERFAN69
brewsingblue82
The real question here is what did you do? Odds are if the banned you, they have absolutely no plans of unbanning you.
FletcherFan69
Don’t remember tbh
User 2079935927
You don’t remember what got you banned?
websoulsurfer
Which is probably why you are never getting back in. If you were so drunk that you don’t remember is a sure sign.
JoeBrady
This just gets worse every time Fletcher posts. I mean, if you don’t remember what got you banned, how do you know you should be allowed back in?
FletcherFan69
I wasn’t even drunk. We all do rash things in the heat of passion
FletcherFan69
Because I’m a good person and I deserve it
FletcherFan69
If you’ve never impersonated a player to try and get into the stadium through the players’ tunnel, you’ve never truly felt passion
FletcherFan69
It’s Rob Manfraud’s fault, truthfully
tedtheodorelogan
Have you ever tried going back?
JoeBrady
I have sent hundreds of letters, emails, faxes, and calls with ZERO response.
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Hundreds? Did you ever think that this is the reason you are not invited back?
brewsingblue82
@Joe Probably. They’d of likely have forgotten they were banned at some point and could’ve likely just went to games if not for constant reminders lmao
DanUgglasRing
Can’t wait for every other cheapskate owner to take note and pull the same stunt in the upcoming decade.
ohyeadam
Every owner does this when a new stadium is needed, attendance is crap. The Twins threatened to leave when the HHH dome was on its last leg, Tampa Bay the same. Both of them got to build a new stadium in more or less the same spot. Some move across town. Issue here was Oakland was stuck there with the Giants having claim to the rest of the territory and the local govt wouldn’t help them out. Only choice left was to leave
websoulsurfer
The A’s literally own half the site where the Coliseum is located and refused to build there.
The Howard Terminal site is approved. There is hundreds of millions in infrastructure improvement dollars approved. The EIR is done and the lawsuits have all been won. If you owned the team you could break ground on a $12 billion development there tomorrow.
JoeBrady
If you owned the team you could break ground on a $12 billion development there tomorrow.
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The what is the holdup?
SportsFan0000
The Holdup is MLB and John Fischer.
John Fischer is “ALL HAT AND NO CATTLE”
He cannot get financing to hold up his end of the deal.
Both MLB (Manfred) and Fischer:
ACTED IN BAD FAITH, HAD NO INTENTION OF EVER SIGNING THE OAKLAND DEAL, USED OAKLAND TO LEVERAGE THE DEAL IN LV,
CHANGED THE HOWARD TERMINAL DEAL AND “MOVED THE GOAL POSTS” WHEN THE DEAL WAS READY TO BE APPROVED.
AND ,THEY REJECTED NUMEROUS VIABLE DEALS LIKE THE REGGIE JACKSON/BILL GATES DEAL
THE JOE LACOB (WARRIORS OWNER) DEAL
AND MORE,
MANFRED AND FISCHER ARE LIARS!
SportsFan0000
It has been happening for decades.
Brewers and Wisconsin Legislature just corned and
MLB /Brewers did a “shake down” of Wisconsin taxpayers to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
geg42
The Nevada desert is not a humane place for baseball.
JSC Cubbs
You didn’t need those last two words.
920kodiak
Honest question and not trying to start something. Is Oakland a good sports town? I just say this because they have had multiple teams leave. As someone who doesn’t live there, maybe someone can fill me in.
DanUgglasRing
Oakland fans are rabid. They love their teams. The city refuses to pay for rich men’s stadiums. That’s the whole rub.
njbirdsfan
And playing off that, is it really fair to expect people to pay good money to sit in a stadium which the owner clearly has decided is not worth putting any money into keeping basic standards of an entertainment venue, while putting a AAAA team on the field?
It’s like getting upset with people for not going to a movie theater with leaks, and falling apart seats, showing movies no one wants to see, and oh by the way, they’re expected to foot half the bill to pay for the place.
JoeBrady
is it really fair to expect people to pay good money to sit in a stadium which the owner clearly has decided is not worth putting any money into keeping basic standards of an entertainment venue, while putting a AAAA team on the field?
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That’s complete BS.
When they won 97 games in 2018 & 2019, they were 26th & 23rd in attendance.
websoulsurfer
In 2021 Dave Kaval the President of the team told fans that they were not going to try to compete and literally not to come to games.
JoeBrady
In 2021 Dave Kaval the President of the team told fans that they were not going to try to compete and literally not to come to games.
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You really need to give it up. They won 86 games in 2021, and were one game out of the playoffs as late as 9/27 when they went into Seattle and got swept.
And they were 29th in attendance. If you are 29th in attendance in a good season, in the middle of a great playoff run, then you have no shot at surviving.
This one is actually kind of funny. On 9/20, they were playing .550 ball, good for the 10th best record in all of baseball. They had a 4-game series with Seattle, and they drew 17,000. If they drew 17,000 a game, that would be incredibly small. But they drew 17,000 for all four games, in total.
That’s beyond pathetic.
SportsFan0000
MLB and John Fischer pulled a “Major League” the movie on
A’s fans..
MLB /Fischer intentionally ran down the team and the stadium.
And, they taunted and criticized the A’s fans and Oakland?!
When the A’s had a good Owner (former Owner Walter Haas Jr (lLevis)
the team broke attendance records at playoff games with over 56,000 fans for one game.
JoeBrady
They love their teams.
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They just don’t love going to A’s game apparently.
FWIW, that’s all there is to this. Same as your local diner, pizzeria, hardware store, etc. You can love them all you want, but if you aren’t spending any money in there, they won’t stay.
websoulsurfer
So you are saying the Marlins, Rays, Pirates, Orioles, and White Sox will be leaving? The A’s have outdrawn all of them this century.
HalosHeavenJJ
The A’s gave up the territorial rights to what is now Silicon Valley in a deal to keep the Giants in SF. That really hurts.
CA is a bad state for business in general and Oakland has even more fees, taxes, and regulations of their own.
A combination of diminished revenue plus higher taxes and operating costs is a bad one.
DanUgglasRing
I don’t think this goes any further than the owner making ridiculous demands of the city. There are lots of expensive markets in mlb.
HalosHeavenJJ
Yes but rich guys will invest in areas that they think will make them money.
The sports teams are hardly the only businesses leaving CA and the Bay Area.
Note: I oppose tax dollars building stadiums. It seems to me like a deal could’ve been reached to develop the current site which will be a wasteland for decades as the city council argues over what to do with it.
JoeBrady
than the owner making ridiculous demands of the city.
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Then congratulations. You won’t have any problem replacing Fisher.
websoulsurfer
Rich guys wanted to buy the A’s, but to Fisher it is his cash cow and he would not sell it. Lacob has said over and over that if its for sale, he will buy the team.
JoeBrady
You won’t have any problem replacing Fisher then, right?
websoulsurfer
Is that why California leads the nation in new business starts per capita? More than 1 new business per thousand residents.
SportsFan0000
MLB AND THE GIANTS SCREWED THE A’S
THE A’S AND THE DODGERS WORKED TOGETHER TO BLOCK
THE GIANTS MOVE TO TAMPA IN THE 1990′
S.,
THE GIANTS “REPAYED THE FAVOR”
BY CONTINUOUSLY SABOTAGING THE A’s New Stadium deals
and blocking their success in the SF Bay Area.
Benjamin101677
Oakland is a horrible town; crime ridden homeless everywhere. When in to see the athletics play I never feel safe driving into or out of the stadium. I won’t even stop to eat or gas anywhere near Oakland. It feels very unsafe
HalosHeavenJJ
Same with LA but the tv revenue is exponentially higher and tte stadium privately owned.
websoulsurfer
What a complete wimp. I usually walk to the stadium from the BART and never ever feel unsafe.
I would not do that near Chavez Ravine. Definitely not on the Strip late at night.
SportsFan0000
Oakland is not bad at all.
Like most cities, there are good and bad areas.
I have even flown into their airport that has better weather
and less delays than SFO,
And, it has a BART train station right near the Coliseum
very convenient for A’s fans all over the SF Bay Area.
You can find bad parts of any CITY in the US if that is all you are looking for:
Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, New York,, Atlanta, Miami, St. Louis
all great sports towns with bad sections also.
SportsFan0000
BS
IHLgulls
Can’t wait to see the new ballpark, it’s so long past time.
SportsFan0000
Nevada Citizens have an State wide initiative to block funding for the A’s stadium in LV.
IHLgulls
Good luck with that
Franco27
This is a good thing, I’m all for it. You can bet on sports in a lot of states now, so I don’t see the big deal in Vegas.
Troy Percival's iPad
If it’s a messy divorce, then the City of Oakland (or whatever County, whoever owns the stadium) should refuse to extend the lease for any amount of time less than 30 years, and the A’s can be homeless for 3 years
JSC Cubbs
Everybody has a price. And yeah, the Oakland stadium lease rate should go up a nice 30 to 50 percent. Maybe put in a local charitable contribution clause to the deal too. Might as well try to get something out of that dying stadium and help the people.
brewsingblue82
I mean, even if they don’t do a temporary lease to keep the A’s there for a few more years, the A’s will still find a place to play until than. They’ll hardly be homeless. It’s just a matter of whether Oakland wants to keep their team a few more years or not.
tedtheodorelogan
And make at least some money off the collesium. I doubt the revenue from Monster Jam is enough to keep the lights on.
User 2079935927
I thought they were talking to the Giants about playing there the next few years??
ohyeadam
They’ll get more fans at their AAA venue than they would staying in Oakland until the new stadium is built. Oakland has no leverage in the situation anymore
JoeBrady
should refuse to extend the lease
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That’s the type of economics which makes Oakland the armpit of CA.
websoulsurfer
Oakland has a higher household income than Las Vegas, by more than $50k per year. If Oakland is the armpit of CA, what does that make Las Vegas? Something further down and further back on the body perhaps?
websoulsurfer
The Coliseum Authority already refused to renew the lease. Said it costs 4 times more to hold the games than the current lease pays them.
The A’s are going to be homeless after 2024. The new stadium will not be ready in 2028 as first thought because they are in the midst of a lawsuit and cannot start the process until after it is settled.
Not only has the Coliseum Authority said no, the Giants have said no, and the MLBPA said they were not likely to approve playing in the AAA stadium.
I am sure they will find someplace because MLB will strong arm someone. It just won’t be in the Bay Area.
SportsFan0000
Oakland Mayor is requiring a guaranteed MLB expansion team
or no lease extension
deepseamonster32
Vegas now an oversaturated sports market.
southi
I imagine that MLB expects a good percentage of the attendance to come from visiting fans that come to Vegas and attend a ballgame as part of the experience.
DanUgglasRing
I wish them luck but they’re about to find out in a hurry that this ain’t the NFL and the Knights were a WINNING team immediately. That means something. Nobody wants to go see a team that sucks with a cheap owner in a new stadium where beer costs 17$ but at least we also have slot machines at the urinals.
zacharydmanprin
Golden Knights did it the correct way; paid a franchise fee and started their own franchise to build a fan base. Stealing another team and hoping to have a fan base of visiting fans 81 games a season is not going to work.
zacharydmanprin
Through a little racism in there, too. People don’t think of Oakland (urban, thugs) and Berkeley (affluent, hippies) as the same despite being 5 miles apart.
Letsplaytwotomorrow
That might work for the NFL’s 8 home games, not 82 MLB games. (Royals don’t draw like the Chiefs)
SportsFan0000
MLB WILL LOSE ITS SHIRT ON THIS LV DEAL
BETWEEN REVENUE SHARING, REDUCED TV REVENUES,
WAIVER OF THE RELOCATION FEES AND THE SCALED BACK LAS VEGAS PROJECT MUCH SMALLER THAN THE OAKLAND DEAL
Big whiffa
Not hardly. It’s more like another show in an over saturated show market
Wren
Oakland is kind of a dumpster fire. Who can blame anyone wanting to move a business out of there given the opportunity?
DanUgglasRing
Have you ever been to Oakland? It’s just like every other big city. I’ve seen WAY worse in NYC than I ever saw in Oakland and I lived in Oakland for five years, only visited NYC. it’s relative. LA is another place FAR worse off than Oakland. This argument is pathetic and it never holds up. St. Louis is “the most dangerous city” in the United States. Baltimore. I can keep going. It has nothing to do with Oakland and everything to do with rich guys wanting handouts from cities.
SportsFan0000
THAT IS WHAT SOME OF THE FAKE MEDIA ARE PUSHING
NOT TRUE!
Clofreesz
F&*^%$ jerks.
Inside Out
Hopefully it fails as even more than we expect and another city learns it doesn’t pay to provide money that and should be used for schools to billionaires who could not care less about the people who live in Nevada.
bmann300
Pete Rose spends a lot of time signing autographs and being at sport stores and shows in Las Vegas- Does this mean the MLB owners will meet to ban him from LV? These guys are a bunch of hypocrites!!!
zacharydmanprin
What does Pete Rose have to do with this?
NOTHING.
Pete Rose bet on baseball, he bet on his own team. He was banished. As he should be. Get a life.
User 2079935927
You can’t ban someone from a city for gambling on MLB.
SportsFan0000
PERFECT NEW MANAGER FOR THE A’S IN LV.
MANAGER AND PLAYERS CAN BET ON GAMES RIGHT FROM THE A’S DUGOUT AND CLUBHOUSE IN LV GAMBLING CITY.
MLB HAS COMPLETELY ‘SOLD OUT” TO THE GAMBLERS.
KENESAW MOUNTAIN LANDIS (FORMER COMMISSIONER)
IS ROLLING OVER IN HIS GRAVE ABOUT THIS.
MLB IS UTRNING INTO A CORRUPT CESSPOOL OF GAMBLING AND
SHAKEDOWNS OF TAXPAYERS TO SUBSIDIZE TEAMS AND THEIR STADIUMS,
google.com/search?q=kenesaw+mountain+landis&r…
CyrusZuo
Just in case you thought your owner was a good owner, they have proved in solidarity that they deserve no respect. All the owners in baseball support cheating and the destruction of the integrity of baseball.
This was another sad day in the modern era of baseball.
Every year there are less baseball fans – the owners own that.
dano62
Time for the senate to talk anti-trust again…
BetterThanYou
It is good to see the communists of Oakland lose again. Horrible city with horrible people.
DanUgglasRing
Sad loser comment. It’s ok Bud they’ll screw you in due time.
SportsFan0000
RACIST/SEXIST COMMENT SINCE OAKLAND IS A MAJORITY/MINIORITY CITY RUN BY WOMEN.
Jake Biggar
An absolute joke
99socalfrc
How can you blame them? The city of Oakland has had 100 chances to get a stadium deal done and keep their team. Not to mention they’ve only got like 72 fans showing up for games. And people are mad???
DanUgglasRing
The city of Oakland doesn’t owe Fisher a dime. As an owner you’re obligated to invest in the team. The fans don’t owe you anything. You owe them wins. Period.
hopper15
I’m glad the Warriors fans didn’t take that stance with Chris Cohan. Support your team or watch them relocate to another state.
DanUgglasRing
The warriors were winning before they moved. They didn’t make the playoffs for 14 years (I was there) and they had a loyal fan base because the Kings are too far from the bay and we had nobody else. The A’s have made themselves the little brother to the Giants for years now and that’s the issue. You have to remain somewhat competitive in long stretches unless you’re the only thing in town (looking at the brewers and reds here)
hopper15
The Warriors made the playoffs once in like like 20 years under Chris Cohan. They were not winning.
JoeBrady
The A’s have made themselves the little brother to the Giants for years now and that’s the issue.
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Over the past twelve years:
The SFG made the playoffs 4x.
The As have made the playoffs 6x.
The SFG finished 1st 2x.
Oakland has finished 1st 3x.
The SFG have 90 games 2x..
Oakland has won 90 games 4x.
I’m getting the impression that you are not only NOT an Oakland fan, but that you have never bought a ticket to them.
websoulsurfer
The A’s made it past the first round … once this century.
The Giants have 3 rings.
Fisher refused to build when he could unless he got a public handout
The Giants privately financed a brand-new stadium.
JoeBrady
But the As have been more successful over the past 12 years, right?
99socalfrc
Perhaps the city leaders and fans in Oakland share your feelings.
They’ll have plenty of time to mull it over driving to Vegas to watch games…
DanUgglasRing
It’s going to be fun watching fisher count his money after MLB and vegas get him a huge real estate complex then he sells the team but keeps the properties. I’m sure when 1000 fans show up to the bright new stadium people here will decide that it must simply be that the franchise itself is cursed and there was no way to prevent this.
websoulsurfer
Fisher is not getting a real estate complex in Las Vegas. He is getting to pay to build a stadium. Period. There is barely room for the stadium and no room for anything else.
iml12
It’s like any other business. If people don’t show up it’s going to be really hard to make it work. Oakland put a pretty good product on the field for a long time. They have a crappy stadium that needs massive renovations or to be replaced. I went back and looked at their attendance and even in their hay day of the late 80s it wasn’t great. It stinks for the dedicated fans but you can still root for them in a different city. For 20 years I’ve lived 1500 miles from my team. Mlb package, yearly trips, and online shopping. Problem solved . I don’t think it’s the end of the world. Maybe they can actually bulk up the payroll going forward.
JoeBrady
You owe Fisher nothing and Fisher owes you nothing. So what’s the big deal?
SportsFan0000
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE
A’S OWNER JOHN FISCHER IS WORSE THAN FORMER DODGERS OWNER FRANK MCCOURT AND SHOULD NOT OWN A MLB TEAM.
CO Guardening
So they voted unanimously to forfeit a relocation fee or an expansion fee? Keeps in line with most MLB owners poor financial decisions.
CO Guardening
Philly, Kansas City, Oakland and now Las Vegas. The Las Vegas Vagabonds has a certain ring to it. Of course Vagabonds wouldn’t fit well on the jersey. So you’d have to shorten it…
DanUgglasRing
I vote for Gabos
sergefunction
Been waiting since Connie Mack’s funeral to drop this gem?
CO Guardening
Touche
HankAaronDidGreenies
Just fold the team. 4 completely different cities across the country in their entire existence. Nobody wants them or cares.
CardsFan57
The team should have been moved to San Jose decades ago. The Bay area could support two teams; but, not in Oakland. The team would have thrived in San Jose much more than it will in Las Vegas.
oaklandfan22
Facts
SportsFan0000
CORRECT!
BUD SEL;IG AND THE GIANTS SABOTAGED VIABLE
A’S STADIUMS IN
DOWNTOWN SAN JOSE AND SANTA CLARA
NEAR WHERE THE 49ERS STADIUM WAS BUILT LATER.
Big whiffa
Owning a baseball franchise is a business. This is a business move. And the right one ! They are instantly worth 10’s of millions more than in Oakland.
Also, it’s a long term winning franchise – so what are they going to do with all that extra money once everything is in place ? Invest it into their product which is good for the sport.
Extreme tanking is another smart business move. The most important thing a team can do is draft well. So just as long as the right scouts are in place to identify top of the draft talent – this franchise will be back as a force well before the decade is out.
SportsFan0000
THOSE ARE COMPLETELY FALSE STATEMENTS.
A’S ARE WORTH MORE IN SF BAY AREA THAN IN TINY, ,MUCH LESS GDP
LAS VEGAS.
Big whiffa
Hope they leave Athletics for the next team in Oakland and take a new name. How bout the:
Las Vegas Hookers
OR
LV Degenerate Gamblers
Dotnet22
Las Vegas Aces
Catuli Carl
Outlaws
Steve E.
The Las Vegas Craps.
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
Hookers & Blow
hiflew
The smartest thing MLB could do would be to use the A’s as a test franchise for possible new expansion locations in 2025, 2026, and 2027. Get six possible cities and have the A’s be their “home” team for half a year. See how the markets would work with having an MLB franchise. MLB could compensate the A’s by giving them an extra share of “expansion fees” when the inevitable 31st and 32nd teams join the league. I think it would be cool to see the Nashville/Charlotte A’s in 2025, the Oklahoma City/San Antonio A’s in 2026, and the Portland/Salt Lake City A’s in 2027.
deepseamonster32
That’s an interesting idea, but it’s probably not going to provide true insight. Like Oklahoma City supported the Katrina Hornets in 2005-06, and now they’re last in NBA attendance demanding 95% publicly funded arena because they’re bums and it’s an unviable market
hiflew
OKC sold out every game from 2012-2019. It was only after the Covid seasons that attendance dropped off. And that was due to the massive rebuild and no one really caring to watch a “process” happen.
deepseamonster32
yeah they sold out because they won 50+ games every year. but not before that even. we’ll see if the novelty wears off. (if they can bamboozle the taxpayers first)
hiflew
So you are saying that OKC is exactly like every other market in that they won’t really pay to go watch a losing team as much as a winning team. That happens everywhere.
But you don’t care. You just are convinced that you are right and nothing I can say will change that, so why bother. Have a nice day.
deepseamonster32
well I’m a SuperSonics fan so wtf do you expect me to feel about a team who is begging for a 95% taxpayer funded arena? If it works so well there, the team could pitch in at least one-third.
We have a privately financed arena. Because we’re a superior market.
User 2079935927
How can they? They would have to have ML ready stadiums to play in. You can build one overnight.
HalosHeavenJJ
And cue the false equivalency of a gambling addict manager throwing games to appease his bookies and fans in the stands being able to play blackjack after the game.
Rose bet as a player. He bet as a manager. And the way he managed in the games he didn’t bet is highly questionable at best.
sufferforsnakes
And in other news, today ends in “y”.
acoss13
John Fisher is doing his best to be hated more than Jerry Reinsdorf, so far so good.
DarrenDreifortsContract
The AL West just got that much harder. Now the A’s will actually be able to attract and afford to sign top free agents.
Letsplaytwotomorrow
Yes, I can’t wait for Fisher to open up his generous wallet.
JoeBrady
And I am waiting for the As “fans” to open theirs.
SportsFan0000
LMFAO!
FISHER IS SUCKING THE REVENUE SHARING TEET OF MLB SUBSIDES
INCLULDING WAIVER OF 400M RELO FEE,
FISCHER HAS NOT SPENT ON FREE AGENTS IN THE PAST AND HE WILL NOT DO SO IN LV.
PT BARNUM SAID “THERE IS A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE”
THAT WOULD APPLY TO MLB, THE NEVADA LEGISLATURE , NEVADA TAXPAYERS AND ANYONE WHO GETS INVOLVED WITH THE LYING FISCHER AND MANFRED,
Stevil
Billionaires support fellow billionaire, fans be damned.
jonbluvin
Booo!!!
CubbyCurt
I’m confused. I admit, I haven’t followed this story that closely but I thought they wanted to move the team because the city of Oakland wouldn’t build them a new stadium.
But now they’re laying out their own money to build a $1.5 billion stadium in another city?
Why couldn’t they build their own stadium in Oakland? I’m asking a legitimate question.
JoeBrady
Why couldn’t they build their own stadium in Oakland?
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A better question might be, why would they want to?
Benjamin101677
For those of you that don’t know California as a hole is in major decline. I go to enough Oakland athletics games that I am invited to VIP parties. Oakland is crime ridden; homeless everywhere. The current location of the stadium and the proposed other locations for the stadiums in Oakland won’t have drawn fans. You go off the freeway for either the stadium now or proposed locations in Oakland and it is wall to wall homeless people; scary looking people everywhere. Not a safe area.
Only stadium I have ever been to where usually at least one police officer is carrying an exposed ar-15 style rifle at entry gates at night because of the violence that could occur.
In general California is losing people because of the the high crime; the high tax; the condition of living. We lost about 300,000 last figures shown. I am sure less baseball players live full time in California than 10 years ago
The athletics will be going from a crime ridden city; over taxes state to a state with no state tax. It will make it easier to sign free agents and the players won’t have to pay a huge income tax.
This is a great move by Oakland
Stevil
It’s not a move by Oakland.
Oakland wants the A;s, and the city was proposing a multi-billion dollar plan for the Howard Terminal Stadium.
You’re cutting excuses for a greedy businessman who did everything possible to drive the organization into the ground and out of Oakland for years.
Have you seen what their payrolls were over the last 15 years?
SportsFan0000
You are spreading FALSEHOODS!
CALIFORNIA HAS PASSED GERMANY AS THE 4TH LARGEST AND RICHEST ECONOMY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WHEN COMPARED TO COUNTRIES.
40M people that produce more GDP THAT EVERY OTHER STA
Crime is in every State and it is well known in Las Vegas and outside the strip also.
User 2079935927
as a hole?
SportsFan0000
DING, DING, DING THE ABSOLUTE DUMBEST COMMENT OF THE DAY AND MAYBE WEEK.
California is passing Germany as the 4th largest, 4th richest economy in the entire world when compared to other countries.
CA has 40M people.
CA is doing great!
There are great areas and poor areas in every city in the USA and all team cities in MLB.
Those who have no skills and no education, some of those leave to live and work in lower wage States.
CA is attracting over 45,000 NEW COLLEGE GRADUATES EVERY YEAR OVER DECADES.
Smart, creative, skilled, educated people making money move to CA.
Also, wait lists full of Out of Stators waiting to get into California universities
So much BS in this post, so little time.
Wealthy baseball players love living in CA and continue to move there.
DarkSide830
Just glad this is done.
Fred Park
Now for a rash of gambling addiction among players.
I’ve lived in Las Vegas, in the late 1990s, and I despise that town.
It is a rotten place from any viewing angle. I do not expect the future of baseball to be any brighter as a result of this move.
SportsFan0000
Las Vegas IS NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY.
Many leave Las Vegas for Family reasons.
Gambling, prostitution, loan sharking, violent crime, extortion the list is long,.
M.C.Homer
Isn’t there still a public vote looming on this subject in nevada?
Fred Park
M.C.Homer, it wouldn’t matter.
Those who run Las Vegas overrule the public vote any time it is in their interest to do so.
SportsFan0000
There is a “Save Our Schools Ballot Initiative for Nevada
that would strip all taxpayer funds from the proposed A’s stadium in LV
and use the funds for education, mental health care and more.
This one belongs to the Reds
As Elvis sang…Viva lost wages.
Redstitch108* 2
This is the Giants fault plain and simple. No way should they ever have been allowed to claim a City like San Jose, with a metro pop of 2 million and which is 55 miles away from San Francisco, as “their territory.” This ultimately doomed the A’s as Oakland’s viability as a baseball city has declined immensely over the past 30 years. San Jose has a rabid sports fan base and was the perfect relocation spot (only 35 miles from Oakland.)
SportsFan0000
A’s gave their territory share of 50% to Giants to save Giants from moving to Tampa.
A’s Owner Walter Haas Jr acted “in the best interests of baseball according to Bud Selig.:.
But, the Giants messed up deals in San Jose and Santa Clara County
and pivoted back to SF stadium deal.
Former A’s Owner Haas stated that the A;s expected their Santa Clara County territory to be restored
after the Giants stadium was built.(Selig has confirmed this fact).
MLB Commissioner Bud Selig stabbed the A’s in their backs.
A’s Owner Haas even got together with Dodgers Owners to
rally the votes to block the Giants move to Tampa.
Selig and Manfred and the Giants BLOCKED THE A’s from getting their Santa Clara County territory back and torpedoed multiple A’s stadium deals
for Santa Clara County including: Cisco Field in downtown San Jose
and an A’s stadium near Great America Amusement Park in Santa Clara
near where the 49ers later built their new stadium.
dpsmith22
Crazy high taxes and crime, who wouldn’t want to be in Oakland? Did I mention red tape restrictions and kickbacks?
SportsFan0000
Did I mention that you are full of sheet and do not know what you are talking about on these issues?!
User 2976510776
Huge win for the Giants as they own a huge geographic and tv area and maybe Ohtani is intrigued by that.
Troy Percival's iPad
Honestly if the A’s signed Ohtani, I’d give Fisher a 5 year window to make up for *gestures at everything* all that
SportsFan0000
FISHER IS A BROKE DUDE WITH TANKED GAP STOCK
GETTING A FINANCIAL BAILOUT FROM THE BILLIONAIRE BOYS CLUB
Catuli Carl
He isn’t.
SportsFan0000
FISCHER IS DEFICIENT IN CASH, CREDIT AND MANAGEMENT SKILLS AND COMMON SENSE His money is in inherited Gap stock that has tanked.
Fisher was turned down for financing for Howard Terminal deal
(a 12 billion dollar development deal).
Accepted much smaller, less lucrative deal in LV,
Kelland
And this is the kind of crap – entirely expected, of course – that makes me question my baseball fandom.
GRRRRR
User 2976510776
Judging by all the Grand Prix blowback from residents you gotta wonder how much they’re really behind this or if local politicians are on the take.
Gumby82
FU FISHER, KAVAL, MANFRED, SELIG, AND EVERY OTHER SELFISH POS THAT ROBBED OAKLAND OF A ONCE GREAT STADIUM AND FRANCHISE! FU RAIDERS AND I HOPE AL DAVIS IS BURNING IN HELL FOR RUINING THE COLISEUM!!!!
MikeSadek3333
I grew up in the Bay Area—spent years starting in the 60s and thru the 90s going to A’s games—for you old timers, remember Hot Pants Days?–yep, the name describes the event–if you dont know, you should google it.
Anyway, i saw Oakland as world champs and as world chumps, depending on the year-have been to many other stadiums like Baltimore, NY, Houston, Pittsburgh, Philly, SF LA, Anaheim , and i can say, without doubt, that even 20 plus years ago, the Colliseum was absolutely the worst stadium i had ever visited-
I laugh when i see comments from others who have never stepped foot in that building, who comment that it cant be that bad–trust me it was then, and have heard from friends who go to games now, it is way worse—-and with the non working bathrooms leaking into the dugouts,, the seats that are broken, cracks in the concrete, not to mention the parking lot is pothole city—i can understand why they want to move–not saying Fisher is not greedy or is not a bad owner, he is–but the stadium itself is a disgrace —
Maintaining the stadium over its life was never a priority–
JoeBrady
I laugh when i see comments from others who have never stepped foot in that building,
=======================
I’d be interested in seeing how many tickets have been purchased by those that have complained the most. I’d bet most of them haven’t been there in the past two years.
Anyone want to disclose how many times they’ve been there in the past two years, other than the protest game?
SportsFan0000
REGGIE JACKSON GROUP WITH BILL GATES, PAUL ALLEN AND JAMES MCCAW AS PARTNERS REJECTED AND SABOTAGED OFFERS TO TOP ANY OFFER TO BUY THE A’S AND BUILD A NEW STADIUM IN SF BAY AREA
BUD SELIG, MANFRED AND SF GIANTS ARE THE VILLIANS HERE, NOT OAKLAND AND NOT THE A’S FANS.
SportsFan0000
THAT IS THE FAULT OF MLB AND JOHN FISCHER.
DEALS WERE PRESENTED FROM REGGIE JACKSON/BILL GATES
AND WARRIORS OWENR JOE LACOB
FOR PRIVATELY FINANCED NEW STADIUM FOR A’s
REJECTED BY MLB AND FISCHER.
Mikenmn
Philadelphia to Kansas City to Oakland and now to Vegas. Wonder what Connie Mack would think about his team in Vegas
Legend of Roy Halladay
Imagine negotiations with the braindead mayor of Oakland. She used to tip criminal gangs off to impending raids
DMiles5149
That’s what happens when you victimize criminals. What’s happening with malls and stores is gross. Nobody should run a business there. But they keep voting these people in so they deserve everything they get.
dpsmith22
Fact. Eventually all business will be gone from the great state of California. Its ok though, the rich that support those politicians, will move to other states.
SportsFan0000
PUT DOWN YOUR CRACK PIPE!
IMAGINE MLB AND FISHCER NEGOTIATIONS WITH SEEDY,
SHADOWEY TYPES IN LAS VEGAS
BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE NO CRIMINAL TYPES IN LAS VEGAS
LOL!
Catuli Carl
Good for them. Oakland and the entire Bay Area is a crime-ridden cesspool run by Marxists. Unless of course the Chinese Communist dictator is coming to town, then they spruce it up a bit.
Vegas is a sports town plain and simple.
Tom the ray fan
Yes completely filled with Marxists drinking bud light and trans men playing women sports everywhere. You need an AR-15the moment you step outside, the criminals are just waiting for you. Thank god Twitter HQ doesn’t have a facility there or else all mighty Elon would be eaten alive by all the Marxists, trans and murderers just openly walking the streets.
Catuli Carl
Pretty accurate tbh. Not far off.
There are, in fact, literally open Marxists on their city council and in their local government. That isn’t a secret.
And I don’t think anyone can deny the rampant crime and the local law enforcement’s failure to stem the flow of violent crime. There are literally thousands of videos of people in the Bay Area just looting and robbing stores, and if the employees try to stop them, they will be the ones that are arrested. If this is news to you, I have to assume you are either an extremely intelligent infant who was born yesterday, or you have been living under a rock. Why do you think businesses are fleeing the Bay Area en masse?
SportsFan0000
DING , DING DING DUMBEST COMMENT OF THE DAY AWARD!
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Can they vote unanimously (Fisher aside) to force Fisher to sell the team? IMO, he’s the worst owner in American sports. Doesn’t care about the fans or the game, just pinching those pennies while asking for billions from the city.
SportsFan0000
FISCHER IS THE AL VERSION OF FORMER DODGERS OWNER FRANK MCCOURT.
Mitchell Page
YES ! Finally I’ll be rid of Oakland , and people who go to the games . Some of the most obnoxious fans ever .
Carlcarlson
The incessant drumming is maddening.
CrikesAlready
State tax-free income for the visiting teams. You bet they’d approve.
desertdawg
Will Las Vegas be known as the A’s and will they change the team colors as well in 2028.
Catuli Carl
The fact of the matter is that even when the A’s were good, fans simply were not coming to games. The A’s have actually been one of the better teams over the past couple decades and they constantly rank near the bottom in attendance. Here are some of their best seasons since 2001 and where they ranked among other teams in overall attendance despite having the largest stadium by capacity:
2001: 102-60, 19th in attendance
2002: 103-59, 18th in attendance
2003: 96-56, 17th in attendance
2004: 91-71, 19th in attendance
2005: 88-74, 19th in attendance
2006: 93-79, 26th in attendance
2012: 94-68, 27th in attendance
2013: 96-66, 23rd in attendance
2014: 88-74, 24th in attendance
2018: 97-65, 27th in attendance
2019: 97-65, 24th in attendance
2021: 87-76, 29th in attendance
It’s time to move to a town that eats, sleeps, and breathes sports.
JoeBrady
I’m not sure why the As fans aren’t ecstatic. From my readings,
A) Fisher is a cheap and stupid owner.
B) As fan are rabid and support the team.
C) The City of Oakland is a supportive partner for a new stadium.
If this is all true, there should be a new owner and new team in Oakland by tomorrow, and a new stadium in three years.
Isn’t this what the As fans are looking for?
runningwithnailclippers
I will bet they never see a team again in Oakland.
JoeBrady
But according to the As fan, Oakland is a great place for a team to be. And the City of Oakland is doing everything they can to build a stadium.
SportsFan0000
MLB, SELIG, MANFRED, AND FISCHER REJECTED
MULTIPLE VIABLE NEW STADIUM DEALS FOR THE A’S
PROBLEMS ARE FISCHER, SELIG AND MANFRED
NOT THE COMMUNITIES IN SF BAY AREA AND THE FANS,
Beff Jagwell
The team is far more valuable in Las Vegas versus Oakland. It was no longer supported in Oakland, regardless of the reason, and it’s time to move on. California has far too many teams anyways, so I personally feel it’s better to spread them around.
Up next, get the Rays out of Florida since they don’t support baseball in that state at all.
SportsFan0000
FALSE.
SF BAY AREA IS 577 BILLION YEARLY GDP
LV IS 150-200b
Philsmania
It’s no different than what happened in Montreal earlier this century.. For years, MLB and ownership did all it could to sabotage a the fanbase’s interest and then claimed lack of fan support necessitated a move. Having said that, it’s a valid queston whether Oakland is a major league city–it’s only the 45th largest city in the country and only the 7th largest in California, per Wikipedia–and whether the Bay Area is really big enough to be a two-team market. The Bay Area is smaller than both Greater Houston and Dallas-Worth and not much larger than DC Metro (even WITHOUT Baltimore), Delaware Valley (Philadelphia), Greater Atlanta and Southeast Florida (Miami) isn’t all that far behind. All of those are one-team markets.
JoeBrady
MLB and ownership did all it could to sabotage a the fanbase’s interest and then claimed lack of fan support necessitated a move.
============================
How so?
SportsFan0000
FALSE FACTS FAKE INFO
SF BAY AREA INCLUDES 12 COUNTIES 7 MILLION PEOPLE
BIGGER THAN ALL THE CITIES ON THAT LIST.
A’S WERE AND ARE A REGIONAL SF BAY AREA TEAM.
THE TEAM SHOULD HAVE BEEN RELOCATED TO SANTA CLARA COUNTY
SILICON VALLEY/SAN JOSE AREA.
THE 49ERS BUILT THEIR NEW STADIUM THERE TOO.
Rsox
Not surprising but a little surprising that the owners voted unanimously to put a team they already didn’t like paying revenue sharing money to in a market that guarantees they will be paying them revenue sharing for as long as that exists.
Unfortunately for A’s fans we all knew this was inevitable. Lack of fan support it partly to blame though. Yes the “Al Davis Memorial Dump” as Peter Gammons used to call is a horrible stadium and a penny pinching miser owning the team certainly didn’t help, being bottom third in attendance when the team has been competitive literally half of the time since 2001 helped facilitate this today.
runningwithnailclippers
I have some good memories of time spent at the Tropicana. Sad that it’s being replaced by a stadium for the A’s.
desertdawg
The city fathers of Oakland have got to take some of the blame for the leaving of the Warrior’s, Raiders and now the A’s. When a city loss all teams in the matter of 4 to 5 years there is something wrong with the city not being able to negotiate a deal with at least one of these teams. You can’t just blame the owners of these franchises, yes, they are into making a profit, but what company is not. Never seen a poor man open a business. It is the city goal to bring business into the community. It brings in tax dollars, tourism and a sense of normal life. Oakland is far from what it used to be.
Philsmania
Oakland is a poor port city, much like Newark, NJ on the East Coast.
unpaidobserver
Dont believe the hype. Oakland is a center of arts and music. What SF wishes it still was.
Steve E.
I’m going to enjoy watching the A’s drawing 5,000 per night in Vegas, a town where most visitors never leave their hotel casino. which is exactly how the hotel casinos like it.
aragon
Fools!
jumsy
Really surprised this was unanimous. Would have thought the Seattle or San Fran owners would look at the vote as a way to pick up more fans in their regions. If my team was leaving town, and a nearby owner voted in the way I would want to keep my team nearby, then I would take that into consideration when deciding on my new team.
Philsmania
I would have thought the Giants would have cast a symbolic “no” vote to put themselves in the good graces of East Bay fans, even though they knew full well that the tally would go the other way. Kind of like how the Orioles cast a “no” vote when the Senators moved out of DC.
deepseamonster32
I was hoping the Seattle ownership would vote against relocation by a Green & Gold team.
JRamHOF
They plan to build the new stadium on the strip? Sounds like traffic hell to me
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Unfortunately that’s the plan. When there’s a ton of space next to the triple a stadium. They need to build it their. I’m glad I don’t drive anymore. I will just Uber to the park.
JoeBrady
How close will that little train be?
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
No idea.
JoeBrady
I don’t think it will matter, but I like stay at the IP/Quad/Linq. They have the train station right behind the building. It’ll be a nice alternative to the traffic.
runningwithnailclippers
It is already traffic hell man.
JRamHOF
Exactly
Dock_Elvis
100% bs and not even in THEIR best interest. They’re losing Vegas as an expansion franchise and a billion in revenue from the fees. Sick day
joepanikatthedisco
They should change the team name while they’re at it. “Athletics” sounds historic after “Oakland” but generic after “Las Vegas.”
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Hopefully they build the A”s stadium next to the Triple A park. Where it should be. Players could get their Cardio in when sent down and also when called up.
Wish they would’ve broke ground when this thing first started to surface. It’s not gonna be easy for the A’s and Aviators to share the Las Vegas Ballpark. Gonna take very strategic planning. Hopefully the person that books the schedules doesn’t double book the A’s and Aviators.
BaseballisLife
Giants have said no to Oracle Park. Coliseum has said no to extending lease. MLBPA has said no to AAA park in Las Vegas. So far the Nevada courts have said no to allowing state funds to be given for tax credits although the process is far from done and could take a year or more to wind itself through the courts. The court cases will slow starting construction by at least a year so no new park until 2029 at the earliest. Its not going to be a fun few years for the gypsies known as the A’s.
SportsFan0000
A’s WILL NOT BE WELCOME IN THE COLISEUM IN ’24
OAKLAND MAYOR SAYS: GUARANTEED EXPANSION TEAM
OR NO EXTENDED LEASE IN OAKLAND.
King Floch
F’s in the chat for Oakland sports.
F
Shadow_Banned
They probably wouldn’t even fill up the AAA stadium
Armaments216
Let’s relocate a summertime sports team in 2028 to a city with a dwindling water supply in the middle of the desert. What could go wrong?
RobM
Fisher gets rewarded by:
1) An increase in franchise value;
2) A monetary payment from MLB for securing a new, permanent location;
3) Being a guaranteed revenue-sharing recipient for as long as he owns the franchise by moving to a smaller media market. No one goes down in market size unless the financials are in their favor.
MLB’s revenue-sharing system means a team can totally collapse as Oakland has, not have to worry about attendance, and still make a profit. I’m not arguing against revenue sharing; I’m arguing there’s no penalty for not attempting to win while having the other 29 owners (and fans) pay your bills. Not sure why the other owners go along with this system of reward without penalty.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Bc it’s a zero-sum game in baseball’s monopoly and all 29 team need the A’s. What big market teams say for optics publicly about revenue-sharing is not how they feel about it. They’ll all gladly continue to pay Fischer to lose including the Yankees.
THEY LIVE!!!
MLB is a criminal enterprise, a mafia and a monopoly.
stan lee the manly
I would be a lot more against this if Oakland wasn’t such an incredibly unsafe area. Hard to take your kids to a ball game when you are instructed to make sure you roll down your windows so people can get in your vehicle because they will get broken if you don’t.
larkraxm
Baseball will not return to Oakland. The city should have paid the shakedown. I know it was a shakedown, but what are you going to do? I say that as a Sonics fan. I wish we had just paid the shakedown and kept our team. Now, every time a team wants a new arena, they threaten to move to Seattle to get the shakedown money from their City. Oakland might be used similarly, but MLB is gone.
User 2079935927
Once every team in the NFL got a new Stadium built for them…….. They Let LA have 2 teams. LA was always used by a Owner who wanted a New stadium as location to move to.
larkraxm
Oakland isn’t LA, and MLB is not the NFL.
THEY LIVE!!!
MLB is mafia and to most people’s surprise not the Italian mafia.
gbs42
I hope fewer than 500k fans go to games in Oakland next season and Oakland’s mayor gives Fisher the proverbial – and/or an actual – middle finger following their last home game.
SportsFan0000
There may be zero fans in Oakland next year because after the City and County was burned by MLB, they may not make the Coliseum available
UNLESS MLB GURANTEES THEM AN EXPANSION TEAM.
SportsFan0000
This DISGRACEFUL VOTE BY 29 of 30 WHITE BILLIONAIRES IN THE OLD BOYS NETWORK will be STUDIED FOR A LONG TIME AS A “TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM”
Institutional racism, the perpetuation of discrimination on the basis of “race” by political, economic, or legal institutions and systems. Institutional racism reinforces inequalities between groups—e.g., in wealth and income, education, health care, and civil rights—on the basis of the groups’ perceived racial differences. Institutional racism became a particular focus of scholarly investigation in the 1980s, especially in the United States according to online dictionaries.
Oakland A’s Icon and Hall of Fame African American, Reggie Jackson, was blocked from buying the Oakland A’s by Former Commissioner Bud Selig.
Did Reggie have the financial backing to buy the A’s, build a stadium and keep them in Oakland and SF Bay Area?!
YES Reggie’s FINANCIAL PARTNERS included some of the RICHEST MEN IN THE WORLD:
Bill Gates and Paul Allen of Microsoft and John McCaw(McCaw Cellular. They later sold it to AT&;T for $12.6 billion in 1994)
facebook.com/thehowardsternshow/videos/reggie-jack…
cbssports.com/mlb/news/reggie-jackson-claims-bud-s…
Bud Selig forced a sale of the A’s to HIS WHITE FRATERNITY BROTHERS
(Lew Wolf and John Fischer).
Bud Selig and other MLB Owners made sure that the A’s stayed in the Ownership control of the White Old Boys Billionaire’s Club, that is clearly apparent).
Bud Selig also sabotaged an agreed to Sale of the A’s to Joe Lacob who now owns the Golden State Warriors, built them into Champions, built a New Home Arena for the Warriors with private funds in Downtown San Francisco.
“Well, according to Golden State Warriors owner Joe Lacob, he would already have built the ballpark at Howard Terminal if his deal to buy the team from former A’s owner Steve Schott hadn’t been rejected by then-MLB commissioner Bud Selig in favor of his friends John Fisher and Lew Wolff.”
Warriors Owner Joe Lacob also says he had a standing, open order to buy the A’s and build them a new stadium in Oakland FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
HE WAS BLOCKED BY MLB AND THE SF GIANTS
IN MAJOR ANTI COMPETITION ACTIONS.
BASEBALL SHOULD NOT BE A MONOPOLY.
COMPETITION SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED.
CONGRESS (THE US SENATE) Should open ANTI TRUST HEARINGS ON THE MLB AND THE OAKLAND A’S SITUATION ASAP!
VOTE TO REVOKE MLB’S ANTI TRUST EXEMPTION TO PROMOTE FREE COMPETITION.
Bud Selig also blocked the A’s from building their new stadium in multiple proposed locations in Santa Clara County, San Jose, Silicon Valley.
Bud Selig admitted on the record that former A’s Owner Walter Haas Jr (Levis)
had GIFTED PART OF THE A’s territory “in the Best Interests of Baseball”
to the SF Giants to SAVE THE GIANTS FOR THE SF BAY AREA AND TO BLOCK THE GIANTS MOVE TO TAMPA IN THE EARLY 1990’s
Bud SELIG ALSO ADMITTED, ON THE RECORD TO THE PRESS, that former A’s Owner Walter Haas Jr (Levis) had ALWAYS EXPECTED MLB and the SF Giants would GIVE THE A’S BACK THEIR SHARE OF THE SANTA CLARA COUNTY/SILICON VALLEY TERRITORY after the SF Giants built their New Stadium in the SF Bay Area. Former A’s Owners Haas considered the transfer of the A’s Santa Clara County territory to the SF Giants to be TEMPORARY like a “BRIDGE LOAN” TO KEEP THE GIANTS IN THE SF BAY AREA.
The Idea was for the Giants to build their new stadium in Santa Clara County/Silicon Valley after the SF Giants had NUMEROUS FAILED PUBLIC BALLOT INITIATIVES TO BUILD A STADIUM IN SF.
For whatever reasons, the SF Giants decided to built a privately financed stadium on the
SF Bay in downtown San Francisco with PRIVATE FUNDS.
So, the entire reason for the A’s TEMPORARILY CEDING the A’s share of the Santa Clara County territory to the SF Giants NEVER CAME TO PASS. THE GIANTS NEVER BUILT THEIR STADIUM IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY.
BUT, SELIG AND THE GIANTS THEN SPENT DECADES SABOGATING THE A’S FROM BUILDING A NEW A’S STADIUM IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY TO CREATE A MONOPOLY FOR THE GIANTS IN THE SF BAY AREA.
WOULD LOVE TO SEE BUD SELIG AND GIANTS OWNERSHIP IN DEPOSITIONS UNDER OATH IN A MAJOR LAWSUIT AS TO HOW THEY SABOTAGED THE A’S VIABILITY IN THE SF BAY AREA FOR DECADES.
In other Major Cities with 2 major league franchises: LA Dodgers-Angels, NYC Yankees-Mets, Chicago: Cubs=White Sox the TERRITORIES ARE SHARED EQUALLY.
HOWEVER, BUD SELIG THEREAFTER, CONTINUOUSLY BLOCKED THE A’S FROM REGAINING THEIR SANTA CLARA COUNTY SAN JOSE SHARED TERRITORY
FOR THE A’S TO BUILD A NEW STADIUM THERE.
THE 49ERS BUILT THEIR NEW HOME, LEVIS FIELD, IN THAT AREA.
WITH BART AND ALL THE FREEWAYS, THE A’S COULD HAVE BUILE THERE STADIUM THERE TOO WITHOUT MLB AND SF GIANST INTERFERENCE.
Joe Lacob (Warriors Owner) “Standing/Open Offer to Buy the A’s and build a New Stadium in Oakland/SF Bay Area si.com/mlb/2022/07/10/joe-lacob-standing-offer-pur…
“How might their fate be different if they had an owner such as Joe Lacob, who has enjoyed four championships in the past eight seasons as primary owner of the Warriors”?
THIS VOTE IS A TRAVESTY AND A SLAP IN THE FACES OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, PEOPLE OF COLOR AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN INTEGRAL PARTS OF SUPPORTING MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL FOR A LONG TIME.
IF IS LOOKS LIKE “INSTITUTIOANLIZED RACISM”, IF IT SMELLS LIKE “INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM”, IF ITS AFFECT IS TO PERPETUATE INSTITIONALIZED RASCISM, THEN IS PROBABLY IS “INSITUTIONALIZED RACISM” BY MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AGAINST THE OAKLAND COMMUNITY, AGAINST REGGIE JACKSON, AGAINS OTHER, QUALFIED AFRICAN AMERICAN OWNERSHIP GROUPS AND AGAINST THE PLAYERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
THE EVEN BIGGER DISGRACE IS THE INSTITUTIONALIZED RASCISM OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL FOR DECADES SABOTAGING THE OAKLAND A’S ECONOMIC VIABILITY AND A MAJORITY MINORITY CITY RUN BY MINORITIES AND WOMEN.
MLB IS STRIPPING AWAHY THEIR OAKLAND A’S THEY SUPPORTED FOR 50+ YEARS
TO PERPETUATE INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM, THE VIRTUALLY ALL WHITE OLD BOY BILLIONAIRE’S OWNERS CLUB IN TAKING A LESSER FINANCIAL OFFER TO BUY THE A’S TO KEEP IT WITH BUD SELIGS WHITE FRATERNITY BROTHERS, BLOCK IT FROM AFRICAN AMERICAN OWNERSHIP, RIP IT AWAY FORM A MAJORITY, MINORITY COMMUNITY IN OAKLAND WHOSE FANS SUPPORTED THE TEAM AND TURNED OUT IN BIG NUMBERS WHEN IT WAS RUN BY COMPETENT OWNERSHIP.
REMEMBER FORMER DODGERS OWNER FRANK MC COURT?!
ISN’T CURRENT A’s OWNER JOHN FISCHER THE POOR MAN’S VERSION OF
FRANK MC COURT?!
DIDN’T MLB FORCE FRANK McCourt TO SELL THE DODGERS FOR MISMANAGEMENT OF THE TEAM AND MISUSED OF TEAM REVENUES?!
Will MLB WILL CONTINUE TO SUBSIDIZE THE WHITE FRANTERNITY BROTHER WITH MLB OLD BOYS CLUB, S ‘SPECIAL DEALS NOT AVAILABLE FOR QUALIFIED AFRICAN AMERICANS LIKE REGGIE JACKSON?!”
LIKE REVENUE SHARING IN A MARKET THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE REVENUE SHARING WHEN IT HAS COMPETENT OWMERSHIP LIKE WALTER HAAS JR (LEVIS)
SportsFan0000
si.com/mlb/2022/07/10/joe-lacob-standing-offer-pur…
JoeBrady
If Oakland is such an awesome place, and the city so willing to help build a stadium, you’ll have a new owner in their tomorrow.
Congratulations.
SportsFan0000
MLB AND A’S OWNER SABOTAGED MULTIPLE STADIUM DEALS IN SF BAY AREA FOR THE A’S.
Highwaymenace
I don’t read self aggrandized rants in all caps. If you want to be taken seriously, act serious.
SportsFan0000
I stopped after “I don’t read”
that is certainly very obvious because your posts
seemed to be some of the most misinformed on these forums.
JoeBrady
If Oakland is such an awesome place, and the city so willing to help build a stadium, you’ll have a new owner in their tomorrow.
Congratulations.
SportsFan0000
That would be true IF MLB HAD NOT RIGGED THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAINST OAKLAND AND IN FAVOR OF LV..
The Las Vegas deal is tiny in comparison to the Howard Terminal Oakland deal on the SF Bay.
THEY LIVE!!!
Most MLB owners aren’t “white” and in fact are anti-white leftists.
drdback
Haven’t been there for years, but I can imagine Oakland is even a bigger dump than it was back in 2004. Raiders did the right thing by flying the coop to LV, now the A’s are gonna do the same. MLB should force Fisher to sell the team to competent baseball owner(s) who know how to put together an administration and team that will be successful in Vegas. The money and crowd will be there and it will become a very attractive area for players looking to build a winning team.
SportsFan0000
Most cities have rich and poor areas.
That is one of the flaws of our economic system.
SF Bay Area has a yearly GDP of over 577 billion dollars.
Nevada has a yearly GDP of only a few hundred million dollars.
LV TV market =42nd
SF Bay Area TV market =m 6th.
With the right ownership, like the former Owner Walter Haas Jr (Levis)
the A’s broke attendance records for the playoffs with over 56,000 fans for a home playoff game.
If the competent, well funded owner invests in his players, puts a competitive team on the field and marketing his product (the team) then the fans will come.
JoeBrady
Nevada has a yearly GDP of only a few hundred million dollars.
=========================
Nevada GDP was $192,964,000,000 in 2021.
You should’ve known your number was wrong.
Highwaymenace
His posts are all lies and decorated, like everyone here defending Oakland. Garbage city with garbage politicians.
SportsFan0000
FRUCK ASSHAT!
MY POSTS ARE THE TRUTH!!!
ARE YOU ON THER PAYROLL OF THAT LOW LIFE SCUMBAG FISHER?!
OR THE LAS VEGAS GROUP?!
OR MLB BASEBALL?!
BECAUSE YOU REPEAT THEIR COMPLETE LIES AND BS
SportsFan0000
That was a typo. Thanks for the correction.
A few hundred billion IS NOT THE SAME AS 577+ BILLION
AND 7M POPULATION FOR ONLY THE SF BAY AREA.
YOU ARE COMPARING THE ENTIRE STATE OF NEVADA
TO ONLY ONE REGION OF CALIFORNIA.
THERE IS ZERO COMPARISON.
JoeBrady
MOST OF NEVADA IS LAS VEGAS.
MOST OF THE SF AREA IS NOT OAKLAND.
BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS. IF OAKLAND IS SUCH A GREAT MARKET, YOU WILL HAVE A MUCH BETTER TEAM, IN A MUCH STADIUM.
SportsFan0000
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE SF BAY AREA.
ALL PRO SPORTS TEAMS IN THE SF BAY AREA USE THE ENTIRE AREA
FOR THEIR FAN BASE: WARRIORS, A’S, GIANTS, 49ERS
Raiders when they played there.
MLB AND GIANTS HAVE BLOCKED MULTIPLE GREAT STADIUM DEALS IN THE SF BAY AREA FOR THE A’S
SportsFan0000
OAKLAND A’S SALE TO WARRIORS OWNER ( WHO BUILT WARRIORS DYNASTY AND BUILT NEW WARRRIOR ARENA WITH ALL PRIVATE FUNDS SABOTAGED BY BUD SELIG,
AND MLB
“I’ll never forget it,” Lacob told Shea, before describing how Selig not only dismissed the deal out of hand, the commissioner didn’t bother calling him back. “So I had the Oakland A’s agreed to … and it got yanked from under me. I was really pissed at Bud Selig.”Jul 25, 2022
Gumby82
FUC& BUD SELIG TOO!!!
drdback
Haven’t been to the Oakland Coliseum in years, but I can imagine it’s even more of a dump than it was back in 2004. Sewage system pretty bad in fan restrooms and in the clubhouses, entrance bridge to the stadium from the BART was full of people selling counterfeit team items, and the place wreaked of pot smoke. That was 20 years ago so I can imagine how it is now. Fisher should be forced to sell to team to responsible baseball owners who will invest in the team and make LV a successful environment.
SportsFan0000
Your beef should be with Bud Selig, Manfred and John Fischer
who sabotaged the A’s getting competitive, competent ownership
and a New stadium in the SF Bay Area.
Every been outside the Strip in Las Vegas?!
Lots of very poor, run down areas outside of Las Vegas also.
SportsFan0000
I should have stopped reading after “I have not been to Oakland or the Coliseum for years”….
GET BETTER SOURCES!
YOU ARE RELYING ON A BIASED MEDIA THAT IS PUMPING OUT HATE STORIES ABOUT OAKLAND TO JUSTIFY THE A’S MOVE?!
THE INDEPENDENT MEDIA NOT PAID FOR BY FISHER OR MLB
HAS THE EXACT OPPOSITE VIEW.
Silas
Looking forward to John Sterling and Susan Waldman saying how relieved they are not to have to listen to the guy banging the drum relentlessly at the Coliseum…lol.
sacrifice
Vegas A’s ces
Wheeler Dealer
A team with as much history as this one is a damn shame it’s being moved 3 COUNT THEM 3,consecutive WORLD SERIES TITLES and they are moving SCREW THE OWNERs and SCREW YOU Rob Manfred
SportsFan0000
They might as well bring back Pete Rose and make him the manager!
He can teach all the players and staff how to place bets on every pitch, inning, game etc right from their tablets or phones.
MLB IS GOING DOWN THE TOILET!
Gumby82
FUC& YOU OWNERS AND MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL!!! BURN IN HELLLLL
unpaidobserver
The Giants are to be commended on their successful campaign to run their competition out of the Bay.
SportsFan0000
BOYCOTT THE TRAITOROUS GIANTS!
THE A’S FORMER OWNER WALTER HAAS JR (LEVIS)
SAVED THE SF/TAMPA GIANTS FROM MOVING TO TAMPA IN THE EARLY 1990’s
THE PRESENT GIANTS OWNERSHIP STABBED THE A’S IN THEIR BACKS
BY SABOTAGING THE A’S FROM BUILDING A NEW STADIUM IN THE SF BAY AREA.
THEN THE SCUMBAG CURRENT GIANTS OWNERS DID NOT LIFT A FINGER TO SAVE THE A’S FOR THE SF BAY AREA AND VOTED FOR THEIR MOVE
TO CREATE AN ILLEGAL MONOPOLY FOR THE GIANTS IN THE SF BAY AREA,
BOYCOTT THE SF GIANTS!!!
SportsFan0000
From the San Francisco Chronicle Headline
Sporting Green
John Fisher’s A’s flee Oakland under cover of MLB dishonesty, owners’ disgrace
ANN KILLION: Oakland Athletics owner John Fisher got unanimous approval from fellow MLB owners to move his team to Las Vegas, shielded by lies of commissioner Rob Manfred has been only too ready to repeat.
LIARS., FRAUDSTERS, AND ASSHATS
It looks a lot like INSTITUTIOALIZED RACISM
BY JOHN FISHER, ROB MANFRED AND MLB.
Moving the goalposts constantly for majority minority City Oakland?!
Demanding a 12 billlion dollar deal paid for by SF Bay Area Taxpayers
because Fisher has inherited, tanking GAP stock and is a TERRIBLE MLB OWNER.
MLB AND BUD SELIG TURNED DOWN REGGIE JACKSON;’S OWNERSHIP GROUP IN THE EARLY 2000’s?! Reggie’s Partners? Bill Gates, Paul Allen and James McCaw (he is only worth 12 billion much less than Gates and Allen.
SportsFan0000
cbssports.com/mlb/news/reggie-jackson-claims-bud-s…
Farian
“Meanwhile” can’t start a sentence, Adams. It has to come in the middle. Learn this, you hack.
SportsFan0000
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SportsFan0000
BALLOT INITIATIVE IS GAINING STEAM IN NEVADA TO TORPEDO
NEVADA LEGISLATURE’S CORPORATE WELFARE PROPOSED SUBSIDIES
TO THE A’s IF THEY MOVE TO LAS VEGAS.
It is called “SAVE OUR SCHOOLS”.
Nevada Governor said Nevada had NO MONEY.
It could not fund schools, social programs, mental health services
After that, the Governor and Nevada Legislature
puts together a “backroom deal” in the middle of the night
to give CORPORATE WELFARE to MLB and John Fischer
the WORST OWNER IN MLB
AND THE AL VERSION OF FRANK MCCOURT, ONLY MUCH WORSE?!
If the ballot intiative passes in Nevada,
it will STRIP ALL FUNDING FOR THE A’s PROPOSED STADIUM IN LAS VEGAS.
AND JOHN FISCHER (MR “ALL HAT AND NO CATTLE)
WILL HAVE NO DEAL AND BE BACK TO SQUARE 1.
SportsFan0000
SEE ALSO FROM SF CHRONICLE HEADLINES
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San Francisco Giants
The Giants have a huge choice to make after helping force the A’s to move
SFGATE columnist Dave Tobener wonders what the Giants will do as the Bay’s MLB team
kje76
Getting beyond the arguments about Oakland …
If I were an owner, I don’t see how I could have voted in favor of moving to Vegas given the current details. No valid renderings of a stadium. A site that, while in a showy location, is an impossible footprint for a baseball stadium. A climate that will require a dome to accommodate fans in any sort of comfort, which will just add to the footprint. Unrealistic attendance claims for a stadium that have smaller capacity than any current stadium. It just seems like a complete mess, and will virtually lock in the A’s as unable to financially compete with their rivals.