The Mariners traded their starting third baseman this afternoon, sending Eugenio Suárez to the Diamondbacks for reliever Carlos Vargas and catcher Seby Zavala. That leaves a few paths that Seattle could explore at the hot corner.
Internally, it seems recent trade acquisition Luis Urías has the upper hand on the job. Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic (X link) and Daniel Kramer of MLB.com each report that Seattle is likely to give Urías the third base job.
That’s a risky play for a team that expects to contend in 2024. The right-handed hitting Urías is coming off a disappointing season. He had hit only .145/.299/.236 in 20 MLB games for the Brewers early in the ’23 season, spending a good portion of the year on optional assignment to Triple-A. Milwaukee moved on at the trade deadline, sending him to the Red Sox. Urías’ production was improved but still pedestrian in Boston, where he hit .225/.361/.337 over 32 contests.
It was essentially a replacement level showing overall. Urías looked like a roughly average regular over the preceding two seasons in Milwaukee. He had hit .244/.340/.426 in a little over 1000 plate appearances between 2021-22. He combined for 39 home runs with a strong 10.8% walk rate and standard 20.6% strikeout percentage.
The M’s clearly believe that he’ll bounce back from his 2023 season. Seattle dealt reliever Isaiah Campbell to Boston for Urías, who had seemed a non-tender candidate before that trade. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz forecasts him for a salary in the $4.7MM range for his penultimate arbitration season. While hardly an overwhelming sum, it’s not an entirely insignificant amount for a player who had fallen down the infield depth charts in Milwaukee and, to a lesser extent, Boston.
With four months remaining in the offseason, there’s obviously plenty of time for the Seattle front office to bring in another option. MLB.com’s Jon Morosi floated the possibility of a run at free agent Jeimer Candelario, although it’s not clear if that’s something the Mariners are actually considering. The switch-hitting Candelario is coming off a far better offensive showing than Urías is. Between the Nationals and Cubs, he ran a .251/.336/.471 batting line with 22 homers in 576 plate appearances.
There’d be a viable roster fit for Candelario even if the Mariners wanted Urías to play every day. The latter has plenty of second base experience in his big league tenure. Seattle has a few options at the keystone — Josh Rojas and José Caballero primary among them — but none who stands a clear regular.
A run at Candelario would be out of character for a front office that has shied away from adding offensive talent in free agency. The M’s have rather incredibly not signed a single free agent position player to a multi-year contract in seven offseasons under president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto. MLBTR predicts Candelario for a four-year, $70MM guarantee.
While the trade adds some uncertainty to the infield, Zavala now seems the choice to back up Cal Raleigh behind the plate. Kramer writes that the M’s are no longer planning to pursue a reunion with veteran backstop Tom Murphy. He’d played in Seattle since 2019, struggling with injuries but generally making a strong power impact in limited playing time. Murphy hit .250/.324/.460 over his Mariners tenure. He has a shot at a two-year deal in his first trip to free agency.
I am ok with a Rojas/Urias platoon at either 3rd or 2nd as long as there is a bigger upgrade incoming alongside JP.
SODOMOJO, I think we will see right away what Urias really has.
Such limited options in free agency bat wise. What would you want to see happen?
Holden Bases, I think Urias will hit.
The past is not always a reliable predictor.
He hit at first in Milwaukee. Didn’t last year in Milwaukee or Boston. He’s a utility infielder, but you can get away with him as one of your starters if he’s your main weak spot in the lineup.
What is a more reliable predictor then? Milwaukee and Boston are much more hitter friendly than Seattle’s ballpark.
@Jm207, That was then. This is now.
That was then this is now? Oh, Fred. That’s called wishful thinking. Let’s pray you’re right. I wouldn’t bet your money on him being an overall upgrade.
Not always, but out of any single predictor, the past is generally the most predictive.
You’re right… 6 years of not hitting isn’t much history, and he’ll probably prove us otherwise…
Not a mariner fan, but if luis urias is more than a utility guy, that’s an issue
Trade some pitching for Luis Robert or sign Matt Chapman and trade less pitching than whats necessary for Robert to get some position player depth.
As much as I’d love an OF of Luis Robert, Kelenic and Julio – CWS have all the leverage in a trade scenario like that. They can ask a ton for him. I have a hard time seeing our FO/Ownership overpaying and outbidding the many heavy hitting Owner/ FO’s tandems that would be circling the waters around an All-Star like L Robert
Let’s hope this isn’t Kolton Wong 2.0. I was excited about that signing last off-season but it quickly failed bigtime.
1. Infield work is done.
2. Julio is mariners future and Teo/ geno were not good examples for him of quality contact hitters.
3. Geno best friend 30 yr old Ace Luis Castillo will be traded for
24yr old rf Juan Soto
Jerry is still upset he missed on him 2 years ago when he had to take Castillo instead.
Mariners extend Soto offering him 16yr/ 525 million. Front loaded with opt outs
Then mariners owners realize what they’ve just done and sell the team oklahoma executives
He didn’t have to take Castillo cuz he missed out on Soto. Luis was traded for before Soto was traded. The package the Mariners sent to the Red’s was better than the one the Padres sent to Washington for Soto. We could’ve traded for Soto with that, but Trader Jerry seems to believe hitting is not a necessity. He hasn’t for 7 years now…
I think he did. He needed one of the two and couldn’t risk not getting either. The Nationals probably did not like Marte as much as the padres package with cj abrams and were waiting for all suitors to put there best trades available. We already had a healthy Ray at the time.
Our team would’ve been in a better spot now if we had Soto.
Regardless both teams need a shake up
Padres lost their ace.
Where would Castillo land on this years top free agent candidates? He’s #4 in cy young vote. What’s his value because I’d rather see him moved than any of our younger pitchers
Snell was not the Padres Ace. He was their #3 behind Musgrove and Darvish.
Maybe a bigger shakeup for both teams
Castillo (4 years)
Munoz
France (reclamation project)
Cabellero
Gabrial Gonzales
For
Soto (1 year)
Kim
Cronenworth (reclamation project) better speed then France
Potentially clears more long term money for Ohtani or Soler or Snell
Yu Darvish! Please.. he’s 36years old next year and I still can’t believe he’s signed thru 2028
Musgrove was injured
Darvish 3.87 ERA/3.71 FIP 84 starts and 497.1 IP with the Padres. Top 25 starter in baseball. Padres #2
Musgrove 3.09 ERA 78 starts and 459.2 IP with the Padres. He has been as good as Gerrit Cole over that time period. That he dropped a weight on his toe is irrelevant. Padres #1
Snell 3.25 ERA/3.36 FIP 83 starts and 436 IP with Padres. Padres #3
They all started about the same number of games and Musgrove and Darvish went deeper into games.
Yeah.. they’ve all been pretty good and reliable and locked up for a few years. I guess I seen Darvish stats this year and thought he wasn’t looked at as an ace. But If you want to crown , crown his a**. I like musgrove.
As a mariners fan I would take all three if we needed pitchers.
Okay so .. any Mets fans in here?
Perhaps Seattle set in motion a plan with Urias but acquired the wrong brother?
46% type moves
Julio will likely be suspended for a full year.
@Manny please elaborate
Julio Urias is facing domestic assault charges
@Manny LOL I thought you meant Julio Rodriguez, sorry
No, an earlier poster said that they signed the wrong Urias. I thought maybe they meant Julio Urias but in fact they meant Ramon Urias or were just kidding.
Pitcher Julio Urias will likely be suspended for a full year, not Julio Rodriguez.
Erm, Luis’s brother is actually Ramón!
I wouldn’t be surprised if M’s poach 3B Yoan Moncada from the White Sox, with Chicago eating a portion of his salary who are motivated to move on from unmotivated players. Moncada does have some upside as a streaky switch hitter with good defense (at third only, weak at second).
Shouldn’t cost much in terms of assets, likely a younger arm lottery ticket.
Yoan seems constantly hurt or has bad attitude. If any of those things can be fixed, I think the Mariners would be interested.
There seemed/s to be a culture issue within the Southsiders. Changing scenes to a better culture can bring out the best in the player, or even they can bring out the best in others. I’m Ok with bringing him in, but what would we give up?
The Mariners are rumored to be in the market for multiple years of a righthanded power bat who does not strike out above the league average.
Eloy Jimenez, a nearly 27-year-old who has fallen out of favor with the White Sox, might fit the bill.
The Mariners could still upgrade at third base.
Are you moving on from tiny glass figurines to life-size ones? Because Eloy Jimenez is made of glass.
There’s a lot of 2B on the trade market, if Seattle wants. Obviously Jonathan India, which has been well reported. Also likely Brandon Donovan, who’s probably the best of them but requires a significant return. Jorge Polanco’s probably available from the Twins. Brendan Rodgers from the Rockies, who’s the best fielder of the bunch. Take your pick. All of ’em are probably gonna want pitching, although the Rockies would take non-MLB ready guys since they aren’t competing.
India hit poorly in away games last year. Don’t think he’d dare well at TMobile
We are a hearty bunch
India was injured much of last year, I expect a substantial rebound, no matter where he plays. My guess is that he plays the first half of the season or even all of it still with the Reds. Better to trade Collier for a pitcher then sell low on India.
You think Seattle would be interested in another high-K corner infielder who costs more and has less power?
Even if Chicago ate half his salary, he would still cost Seattle more than Eugenio cost. them.
Makes absolutely zero sense for Seattle.
I think the Marlins trade for Moncada and the Mariners sign Candelario. .
The article said “It also paves the way for Luis Urías, who Seattle acquired on Friday from the Red Sox, to become the everyday third baseman”, not that Urias WILL become the starting 3B.
M’s could have another trade lined up already.
Possibly their favorite transaction partner, SF Giants
I would love to trade with Giants for Flores, but I don’t expect it. The Mariners are either cutting salary to add someone who costs more or they are sabotaging themselves and fans will turn on them for their cheapness. Hopefully, they are planning to add.
Flores makes a ton of sense for Seattle, especially if they’re willing to move on from France.
His salary isn’t problematic.
The Mariners do as much careful scouting and in-house discussing as any team, and this is their choice for how to proceed. It isn’t just “trader Jerry” like some many fans/commenters seem to think. Jerry and his staff do their homework.
And I agree. They obviously see something they really like in Urias. Murphy was a question mark; we all knew that.
So here we go!
You have more faith than most. The track record for adding offensive talent is questionable at best. Winker, Wong, La Stella, Pollock, etc. Can’t expect to win filling a roster full of has been & utility players. In reality, they’re dumping salary bc the tend of millions spent renovating old suites, making new suites, & buying land for the sushi restaurant across the street are cutting into Stanton’s bottom line.
We also got(had) Geno, Haniger/Segura which turned into JP, and France. I would say his ability to bring in free agent offensive talent has been the issue…….but……we also only speculate on if there’s been attempts(we know Ohtani originally) to sign anyone in the past. Based on Jerry’s statements, it sounds like he has made attempts, but hasn’t been able to.
Not gonna happen unless the O’s give up way more than that…..Walter is underrated.
Nobody knew Winker was going to fall flat on his face, or for that matter Wong who had a strong track record. Pollock had a history of being a professional hitter and I believe if he was given the at-bats he could have gotten into a groove and done better. La Stella was a shot in the dark that failed. But getting free agent hitters to come to Seattle is a tall task, with the marine layer and the most air travel of any team , it’s tough.
A lot of evaluators and teams have seen things they like in Urias. He’s a decent player. But this is not a trade where the Mariners plan to unleash another unknown level of talent from him. That time has passed.
Like they saw in LaStella or Polluck? They have no secret weapon or strategy. They just work diligently trying to look like they do. Always trying to recreate the wheel.
They may, but that hasn’t stopped them from wiffing on nearly every free agent/trade target hitter they’ve gotten in the last several seasons. Geno was one of the few that worked out, and he was a throw in salary dump.
I think these moves scream a trade with the Rays is coming down the pipe. Rays need controllable cheap pitching. Mariners need ML tested contact bats. This always looked like an option, but it seems more and more likely.
Whom do the Rays have they can spare? Whatever they want they can get in the coming Glasnow trade and then some.
I’m thinking Ramirez (especially cause of cost) and Yandy.
Mead or Caminero would have made a lot of sense for Seattle at 3B.
But after acquiring Urías, it’s hard to see happening.
I’m fine with Rojas urias at 2/3rd if it means multiple OF firepower like Soto AND someone else like Gurriel/pham/turner/martinez
Id like Candalario to sign with the jays and be given starting 2b and a rookie at 3b. Schneider as the extra IF who gets plenty of abs as a LHH. Jays have 2 3b/SS prospects who are good with power a LHH and RHH. If whoever cant handle it Candalario gies to 3b with Schneider taking 2b.
Candy doesn’t have the range to play second.
But I’m not feeling optimistic right now that we will add a player with any more thump than Teo or Geno unfortunately
Maybe the Mariners will trade for Pete Alonso …he can make up for the power outage from losing Teo & Geno in one bat. Regardless, 50 homeruns need to come from someplace new in 2024.
DiPoto said that they were looking for more contact hitters, not thump.
Freeing up a couple bucks to pursue Ohtani? At least I hope so. Reports came out Seattle may not pursue him after I already predicted he’d sign there lol.
Nobody but you cares where you predicted he would sign.
Apparently nobody but you cared enough to comment. So you care at least a little. Thanks for the snarky comment though, BB. Typical from you.
Wrong. I don’t care at all.
Just calling you out for being such a geek for taking yourself and these predictions so seriously.
Typical from you.
My comment was all in fun and relates to the article. You went out of your way for this interaction. You’re the only geek here. Move along
If you are a Seattle homer and predict Ohtani will go there the. I am not impressed. If you root for a different team and make that prediction the. It will be more impressive if you are correct. I go with the traditional wisdom that Ohtani will play in California or New York next year, but even that is maybe only 50-50.
@Manny
Ironically, I’m a Yankees fan from NY. I just love the fit for him in Seattle.
I think it’s possible to be a Seattle Homer and still have legitimately thought Ohtani could land in Seattle. There were a lot of objective reasons why it could make sense, but apparently the reports now are saying it’s not in the cards.
I’m not going to panic…yet. There’s still four months. A Looooong four months.
Would make perfect sense with Dipoto swapping Gilbert to Baltimore for Coby Mayo. Young slugging 3rd baseman blocked by Gunner Henderson. Win Win for both teams.
I highly doubt Gilbert’s going anywhere unless Seattle gets an offer that blows them away. Miller or Woo, that’s a different story. Trading Gilbert is not a win-now move.
Not even Holiday’s gonna move Henderson off SS. I presume Jackson’s gonna play 2B. Westburg’s the guy who might move.
Gilbert for Henderson straight-up is actually a more balanced trade than for Mayo, albeit does seem Jerry has been on the kool-aid this off season, so who knows what will happen.
Offer this it would make perfect sense for Baltimore to swap Mayo for Kirby but would be a ridiculous trade for the Mariners. English M has it right if Baltimore calls Dipito and wants Kirby it’s going to cost Henderson that’s a fair trade. The Mariners aren’t really looking for prospects that would be what it would take and it’s fair both sides. If the Mariners did want prospects for Kirby think which I highly doubt it would Holliday +. I get that everyone wants Kirby but it’s not happening fir anything short of a huge haul so reality it’s just not happening better to look at Woo and Miller and what it would take to get them.
Just save the time next time. Kirby isn’t going anywhere.
Mayo is exactly the type of high contact hitter that diPoto has said he is looking for.
Not for Kirby he isn’t
The conversation was about Gilbert for Mayo and no one ever said straight up, one-for-one trade.
Mayo IS exactly the kind of high contact, high OBP hitter that DiPoto has said he is looking for this offseason.
Urias was a man without a position in Milwaukee last season as they gave Brice Turang every opportunity at 2B while bringing Brian Anderson at 3B. Urias started to settle in at the end getting regular playing time with the Sox. Seattle might be getting a steal if they can get him back to his 2021 form
If I’m the O’s I’d have no problem adding Ramon to Seattle in a trade. They desperately need a top line pitcher and dumping his salary to pay Gilbert works even better.
Are you seriously proposing Gilbert for Ramon Urias?
Man it sucks to be a mariners fan.
Man there are 4 months left in the off season. If they go to Spring Training with this lineup then I would understand the complaining but Jerry will add more. Be patient.
We have been patient enough…we built a team to compete when we had cano…then we rebuilt…we make the playoffs only to trade off our closer and starting 3rd baseman and let out OFer walk….ive been patient going on 20+ years lol
Tim Anderson is a strong bounce-back candidate AND should be moving to second. Perfect for Seattle.
Rojas and Urias can platoon at third, Rojas can back up second and Urias can back up short.
Eugenio completely dissed the Mariners on his way out, saying he’s happy to go to a team “that wants to win a World Series.” That’s not good vibes Geno, That’s bad vibes.
It’s a fair statement. The Mariners were fighting for a playoff spot and they traded away their closer. Ended up missing the playoffs by 1 game I believe. And the division winner won it all against the same team the Mariners traded their closer to. And now they ship Suarez off for nothing but salary relief. He’s right.
The Mariners are not going into Spring Training with a lineup that has a 50 homerun deficit from last season. More moves on the chess board will be played. BTW we had 3 or 4 pitchers who could close out games, losing Sewald was not why we came up short. Yep Houston swept Arizona in that last series because Arizona was already in the playoffs, so it didn’t matter. None of your criticisms hold any sway.
Urias is taking Suarez’ place. There is only room for an outfielder at this point and maybe a DH since Ford was non tendered.
The Mariners are being cheap.
I don’t hear that Suarez statement as disrespecting the Mariners. Just sounds like he’s saying he had no choice about being traded so he’s happy it’s to a contending team that just went to the WS.
“I heard some rumors earlier this month, but I understand the game. I understand the business and all that stuff. For me, it’s a heartbreaker, but I have appreciated everything that Seattle has done for me — all the fans.”
Eugenio Suárez
Yet Cal Raleigh was a prophet for his post season comments on the Mariners’ lack of … ummm … urgency.
He’s right. The Mariners haven’t made any moves to show they are serious about getting to the World Series. They want to win just enough to keeps fans interested, without spending enough to really win.
Arizona’s payroll for this year’s trip to the World Series was $20M less than the Mariners’ payroll.
Not saying the M’s don’t need to make some additions now. Just that spending doesn’t guarantee anything. There were plenty of examples of teams spending ineffectively this year.
Does DiPoto have ADHD or something? I seriously don’t understand 95% of the moves he makes
That’s because the off season is not over yet. Still four more months to make moves. Go ahead and wet the bed over this one though.
You’re not wrong but the problem is that Dipoto has not earned the benefit of the doubt. Two years ago he punted free agency. Last year we were 29th out of 30 in free agent spending and all major acquisitions (except Teo) were cut by September 1st.
Couple that with Dipoto’s asinine comments and the organizations moving of the goalposts and you have a fanbase fed up with mediocrity.
The roster is worse right now than it was when the season ended. It’s absolutely fair to wonder what the hell Dipoto’s thinking. Attempting to reduce Ks is one thing, but when the replacements come with huge question marks themselves….
That isn’t ‘wetting the bed’.
Moving Suarez and using Urias looks like a cost cutting move plain and simple.
O’s could trade Mayo, Urias and a number of top prospects. They have the young talent in the organization to make a trade with Seattle.
I’m a little tired of prospects, the rebuild that never ends.
If Rojas and Urias is what they are hoping to replace Gino’s ab’s; what a let down. On a good year, full time ab’s-maybe 18-20 hr’s, 60 rbi’s Then they’d have to sign Bellinger and JD Martinez to compensate for the lack production for those 2.
Dylan Moore is still on the Mariners roster. He’s capable of playing SS, 2B, and corner OF, so there’s no reason he couldn’t rotate in at 3B with Urias and Rojas.
Is that you Servais? Trying to make a case for your love child that shouldn’t be on a roster.
Moore is an enigma, if he could get enough playing time he might even become a better hitter than he is. The speed, and defense would be that much better in the outfield. With Urias, and the others taking on the utility role. That would of course be a backup plan.
If you can get Candelario for under 4 years and under 15 and trade for Soto, all will be well
I don’t think they get Soto. Everyone keeps saying the M’s will make a big splash but I don’t see it. Pun intended that they are not the biggest fish in the sea.
A Mariner isn’t a fish, so your pun that was inteded doesn’t even work.
I was referring towards my mentioning of big splash, not the actual team, but whatever. The pun was a throw in to the argument.
I think you’ve been mistaken on how puns work.
“If he could just bounce back to his success in the year…” I’m thinking this is Jerry and Justin’s mantra. Are the M’s searching for talent on Groupon?
This one surprises me a bit, but that’s no surprise from this front office I guess.
Loved his good vibes, defense, & home runs (best baseball experience of life was seeing his walk-off against Atlanta). His Ks, not so much.
The new guys are intriguing but that only goes so far. So were Wong & polluck & Frazier & winker & you get the picture.
But man, now we got HUGE question marks at 2nd, 3rd, rf & dh?! We’re missing a ton of Ks yeah, but we’re missing 48 homers too. Plus m Ford and t Murphy. None of these guys were perfect but they weren’t literal holes.
I am expecting/hoping/wishing for some really big moves now. Candelario would be nice but wouldn’t come close to cutting it. Do we have a chance w j turner? Soler?Hoskins? JD? JH Lee? For some reason I’m hopeful for guriel, and I’m wishing for Soto. I have no idea what Soto would cost us in a trade but just about anything would be worth it to have him and Julio back there at full strength. And sign snell while you’re at it.
Afraid ohtani and bellinger and Yamamoto are pipe dreams, even for me. This off season already feels long.
If the padres do trade Soto I think the best fit is with the mariners. Benefits their team perfectly and the mariners have what the padres want in return…mainly pitching. I a lot of talk about the Yankees but the mariners from a padres standpoint seem to match up better.
Padres would need someone to step into Snell’s spot in the rotation plus a top 100 prospect that is close to the majors, not in A ball.
While Gilbert or Kirby is a good headliner for Soto, I don’t see the fit beyond that. Who do you see being added to the trade after Kirby or Gilbert?
Neither seem likely. More like woo or miller.
Castillo, CASTILLO! CAAA……STILLO
He’s growing on you.
To much money for him? To old?
Neither Woo nor Miller are good enough players to headline the deal. So that would be an immediate no.
So it would have to be Kirby or Gilbert. Now what MLB ready or close to ready top 100 prospects would come along with one of those two?
For Dilbert below, there is no way the Padres take on a 31 year old pitcher that is due $97 million over the next 4 years. Completely defeats the purpose of trading away Soto.
One year of Soto isn’t going to net you more than Kirby. 5 years of a proven MLB #2 starter for one year of Soto @ $30MM is plenty.
They won’t line up on Soto deal anyways. Seattle doesn’t want to push payroll up that high.
Let’s be honest with ourselves here. Urias – Crawford – Rojas – France would be one of the worst groups in the league on Opening Day. Just about like it was last year Opening Day. No better and no worse. Just different. I guess all we can do is wait and see what Jerry does next. This team is a long ways away from a playoff spot at the moment.
I figured Urias would be their guy after the trade.
Next we will hear that Jerry Dipoto has traded JP Crawford to the Yankees for a AAA outfielder with a sub 200 batting average,
Jerry, and his wrecking ball. Cutting salary? Somehow that feels like the better half of the deal than positioning yourself for free agency pick-ups, besides nothing all that delicious out there anyhow if were talking about being affordable. The M’s are all about development if they are reaching up higher on the fruit tree the pickings seem out of their reach they backfill this with reclamation projects they have had success in the pitching dept. that’s only where they do well. They are not about winning as much as the money they can make, you can take that to the bank friends
Steamer has Urias and Suarez as similar talent levels. Im not so sure about that, Suarez has been solidly above average 4 of the last 5 years and isn’t super old yet. They probably save around about 12-14 million if they use Urias and Zavala over Suarez and whatever resigning Murphy would cost, so that’s clearly the reason for this. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that but they need morw talent not lateral moves. If this is all about keeping a shoestring budget its super disappointing. My hunch is they do increase payroll but not as much as maybe I would prefer. We might see a 150m team? Thats my hunch on where they land. That would give them 25-30m to play with at this point. They need like 2 position players and 2 relievers. Even if a couple of them are Dipoto specials thats still something like 20-25 for two players. They could go full Rays and do stuff like trade Moore to save a few million. It feels like they should be spending 170-180m per year at this point based on their current roster.
Candelario? Huh? He had the exact same WAR as Suarez and has an AAV equal to that of Suarez. This would be the definition of dumb!
Is that you holly?
FA? the M’s should maybe stay away from it. When they do spend they don’t do well given Ray, and Suarez, Teo. have all fallen off the wayside. not to mention the three amigos. My confidence in Dipoto has been slipping away.
Do you pay any attention? Suarez and Teo were not free agent acquisitions. Both were trade for. The amount of nonsense coming from uneducated fans and people who have no idea about what they’re talking about in the comments sections here is ridiculous.