Left-hander Clayton Kershaw announced on Instagram that he underwent a surgical procedure this morning to repair the gleno-humeral ligaments and capsule of his left shoulder. He says that he is “hopeful to return to play at some point next summer.”
Kershaw, 35, had a strange campaign in 2023. He had made 16 starts through the end of June with typically strong results, holding an ERA of 2.55 at that time. He was placed on the injured list in early July due to some shoulder soreness. It didn’t seem especially concerning at that time, with the hope seeming to be that the All-Star break would allow him to miss just one or two turns through the rotation.
However, a couple of weeks later, there seemed to be some confusion around the issue. He underwent an MRI in the middle of July and wasn’t activated from the IL, although he wasn’t in any pain. “I feel completely fine. The shoulder feels good,” Kershaw said at the time. “I’ve just been told it has to rest. It’s a weird deal. I’ve never had anything like it, to the point where, like I’m gonna go play catch today and throw it as hard as I can, and they say it needs to rest. It’s just weird, honestly. I don’t know what to make of it. But I’m just gonna have to listen to [doctors].”
He was eventually activated in early August, with more confusion to come. His results continued to be strong, as he posted an ERA of 2.23 in his final eight starts of the year. But he was clearly working with diminished stuff. While he averaged above 91 MPH on his fastball prior to that IL stint, it was down to 90.2 MPH in August and 88.6 MPH in September. His slider also lost a few ticks as the season wore on. Although he was able to continue pitching well in the regular season, the wheels finally came off in the playoffs. Kershaw was lit up in Game 1 of the NLDS against the Diamondbacks, allowing six earned runs while only recording one out.
It seems Kershaw finally got some answers from the medical community and went under the knife today. While solving the mystery around his ailment provides some clarity, it seems there’s plenty of uncertainty ahead. This appears to be the first time the phrase “gleno-humeral” has appeared on the pages of MLBTR, suggesting this isn’t a particularly common procedure to be working back from. Kershaw has also had plenty of other ailments in the recent parts of his career. His 131 2/3 innings pitched in 2023 were the most he’s logged since 2019, spending time on the IL in recent years due to back stiffness, left elbow inflammation, left forearm discomfort, right SI joint inflammation, low back pain and the recent shoulder soreness.
Even without the health issues, Kershaw has gone into the past two offseasons with an uncertain path forward. It was seen by many that he was deciding between returning to the Dodgers, joining his hometown Rangers or retiring. In both cases, he returned to the Dodgers on a one-year deal, with a $17MM salary in 2022 and $20MM this past year. Last month, he again expressed uncertainty about his future going into free agency once more.
The Dodgers opted against issuing Kershaw a qualifying offer in those two years, though he would have deserved one based on his performance. As a sign of respect to the long-tenured player, they afforded him the freedom to take his time making a decision, whereas issuing a QO would have required Kershaw accept or decline within a few days of receiving it. They were presumably planning the same course of action this winter but this surgery would seemingly take the QO off the table even if they were considering it.
More information will likely trickle out over the winter, but the fact that Kershaw is “hopeful” of returning to play in the summer suggests that it’s not a guarantee. Perhaps he will spend some time rehabbing and trying to get healthy before signing a new contract, though that’s entirely speculative.
For the Dodgers, they likely have to proceed under the assumption that they can’t count on Kershaw, though president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman previously stated they would welcome him back. Beyond the fact that he’s not officially on the team anymore, it’s not certain he will be able to rejoin them even if he were willing to do so. In addition to Kershaw, Julio Urías and Lance Lynn are now free agents, with the club declining an option on the latter today. Tony Gonsolin could miss all of 2024 due to Tommy John surgery, while Dustin May’s flexor tendon surgery should keep him out for at least the first half of 2024.
That leaves the Dodgers’ on-paper rotation with Walker Buehler, who missed all of 2023 recovering from his own TJS, in the top spot. He is followed by guys with very limited experience, such as Bobby Miller, Ryan Pepiot, Michael Grove, Emmet Sheehan and Gavin Stone. There’s also Ryan Yarbrough, though he might wind up non-tendered, the same way the Rays cut him loose a year ago.
Though the Kershaw news may complicate things, the Dodgers do have plenty of money to work with and figure to be active in all levels of free agency. The top of the market features names like Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Blake Snell, Aaron Nola and Jordan Montgomery, though there are plenty of other intriguing names from Sonny Gray to Lucas Giolito and Jack Flaherty and many more.
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Tom Price
He should be retiring.
Sunday Lasagna
Kersh is still one of the better pitchers in the game. 3.7WAR 2.46 ERA for the season The guy more than likely got on a few Cy Young ballots. Any team would want him, and it’s awesome he will be back in a Dodger uniform in the 2nd half of 24
Hemlock
> awesome he will be back in a
> Dodger uniform in the 2nd half of 24
Huh? Not under contract for 2024 yet.
Sunday Lasagna
Oh stop Hemlock, he’s not going anywhere but LA and Friedman has been as transparent as can be that he will be welcomed back
Hemlock
Umm..
Of course the LAD would welcome him back.
All those nice happy thoughts aside, back in reality, he’s not signed for 2024. The end. Hope he comes back. One team and all. Fairytales, magic puppydogs and kittycats, and everybody gets a happy ending to their story. It doesn’t always work out that way so hey don’t assume anything.
Blue Baron
But considering how few pitchers make it back from shoulder capsule surgery, there’s a good chance he’s done anyway.
filihok
WW
“Kersh is still one of the better pitchers in the game. 3.7WAR 2.46 ERA for the season ”
That ERA, as ERA often is, is misleading. His FIP, xFIP and xERA were all between 3.5 and 4ish
Still a solid pitcher and I hope he comes back to LA
toycannon
WAR, huh, yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
Sunday Lasagna
ToyCanon, WAR and many other advanced stats have been good for one thing they show that Jimmy Wynn, Reggie Smith, Ron Cey among others were all more valuable than Mr Overrated Steve Garvey.
leftykoufax
They were all good ballplayers without looking at any stats of these guys.
leftykoufax
I saw the Toy Cannon hit a blast in the 1974 WS, little strong man had that long swing.
Blue Baron
I saw him play 3B for the Yankees against the Mets in the 1977 Mayor’s Trophy game.
gbs42
toycannon, thanks for the throwback to 2005
carlos15
ERA is misleading unless of course you want to know how many runs the person gives up on average. It’s great for that. ERA is a reliable stat. Someone with a consistently mid 2’s ERA is awesome. It’s more reliable than a weighted stat created by nerds. It’s not a perfect stat but at least it’s methodology is sound and straightforward.
filihok
c15
“ERA is misleading unless of course you want to know how many runs the person gives up on average. It’s great for that. ERA is a reliable stat. Someone with a consistently mid 2’s ERA is awesome. It’s more reliable than a weighted stat created by nerds. It’s not a perfect stat but at least it’s methodology is sound and straightforward.”
It’s methodology is horribly flawed, of course. Pitchers don’t give up runs, teams give up runs.
If Kershaw had pitched his whole career with a bunch of MLBTR commenters as his defense, his ERA would suck. Not because he was any different, but because we wouldn’t make any plays behind him.
How does ERA tell you anything about Kershaw, then?
User 401527550
Fortunately he is playing with professional athletes and even the ones we say suck are 100x better than most of us. ERA might not be telling over a short sample size but no one has ever lucked into a career low ERA and consistently low ERA is a very good indicator of how good a player is.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Assuming he’ll be able to pitch next season….
MLB Top 100 Commenter
At one strikeout per inning, Kershaw needs about a dozen games at 5 innings each to surpass 3,000 career strikeouts.
A dozen games is probably enough to get him warmed up for the post-season where he has a 0.500 record rather than his superlative regular season numbers.
Either way, retirement or a partial season with the Dodgers, he is a first ballot Hall of Famer, maybe unanimous, and along with Max and Justin, the best of his generation.
unpaidobserver
He could pull a Shaq and just play half the season until his arm literally falls off his body.
LordD99
Why?
LordD99
The takes fans have when players have injuries or require surgery border on the comical.
tangerinepony
Why should he retire when he can probably get 10 mil next year? He’d be an idiot to retire
Blue Baron
Because a study by the National Institutes of Health found that only about 38% of elite pitchers make it back from shoulder capsule surgery.
It may not be his choice to make.
User 401527550
He’s only 35. No way should he retire.
tangerinepony
Tom Price…. That’s a very very dumb statement to make. He’s only 35 and some team is willing to pay him 8-10 Mil I’m guessing. If your in his situation would you retire then? Didn’t think so
James Midway
Going through surgery to come back at his age? I don’t know. I think he is already a HOF guy so any need to get surgery and put more strain on the arm is something I don’t understand. I get players live playing and getting most to quit (especially someone with his success) can be tough, but does he need to come back? I think he could call it a day on a successful HOF career and be happy.
Netflix&RichHill
He’s coming back to get to 3000 Ks. There is a short list of lefties who have reached that mark. Let him come back to chase that bit of history. He’s earned it.
LATrolleyDodger
Yes, but please for the love of God can the rotation be healthy enough where this man doesn’t start in the playoffs?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Kershaw is 13-13 in the post-season. I would trust him over most number three starters in post-season even now. Of course there are guys like MadBum and Stras who have carried teams in postseason without Kershaw’s HOF regular season numbers. But his regular season greatness is what make his average stats in postseason stand out.
NickTheDev
Maybe its bad enough that he would have discomfort even just in regular every day life? Sometimes they still need to get fixed even to live without the pain.
fred-3
He’s not old, though. He has a lot of miles on his arm, but he’s only in his mid 30s.
Hemlock
> He has a lot of miles on his arm
No wonder he needs surgery. He should walk using his legs or take an Uber.
YankeesBleacherCreature
“Keep going, kid! Plenty of room in our 40($MM)/40 club.” – Max and JV
User 401527550
When did 35 become old?
good vibes only
Since the beginning of time 35 has been old
Pads Fans
At least it is in baseball
Gwynning
Well wishes Kersh… come back strong so we can beat ya at your best!
acoss13
Reminds me of how Clemens at the end of his career would take his time to re-sign and would start his season in May or June. Hopefully he comes back healthy enough to get those 3000 strikeouts though!
toycannon
That was to get the winter PEDs out of his system.
Roll
thank you acoss
i was trying to think of which big pitcher it was that started late. I kept thinking pedro for some reason.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Clemens made a spectacle out of it talking to the media. Kershaw: I’ll be back when I’m back.
ElysianPark
Have some respect for a future HOFer. How many does your team have?
I wouldn’t make jokes, with your team’s troubles.
Stay classy, San Diego.
YankeesBleacherCreature
It sounded pretty classy to me, Ron. But since you asked, probably Machado if he gets to 500 HRs and Soto if he maintains pace.
User 401527550
Tatia, Hader and Boegarts all have decent shots too.
Pads Fans
Machado, Bogaerts, Soto. Possibly Tatis as well.
acoss13
San Diego Hall of Famer? Hmmm…
Just some guy that spent his entire career and was an absolutely cool dude.
Tony Gywnn.
Brew88
@Elysian. What a clown for dissing Gwynning there, he was merely wishing Kersh well.
HOF in Pads uni: Gwynn, Hoffman, Winfield
hOFers who were Pads: Rickie H, Ozzie Smith, Rollie F, Goose G, Greg Maddux, Willie McCovey, Fred McGriff, Gaylord Perry, Roberto Alomar, Mike Piazza.
Tatis gets in
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Elysian
You probably Gwynning too quick, his post seemed fine.
I am pretty neutral here my favorite players are Fernando Valenzuela, Clayton Kershaw, Tony Gwynn and Fernando Tatis (yes, his cheating is shameful, but he’s an electric kid) and pretty much every Cub.
Pads Fans
Oh! That is huge news. Hoping he comes back with the Dodgers.
RyanD44
In my head, it seems like Kershaw is always injured and can’t stay on the field. However, he’s still averaged 25 starts dating back to 2018 (not counting 2020). Considering those 25 starts/year have still yielded a sub 3 ERA. That’s pretty impressive.
I know he’s not the Kershaw of his early to mid 20’s, but he’s still out there most of the time. I think he’s up there with Pedro, Clemens, Maddux as the best of this crazy hitting era (and of all-time)
unpaidobserver
Even Kershaw at his peak was not on the level of any of those guys at their peakiest, though he was as good for as long for sho.
Also, Clemens cheated.
DarkSide830
That is very, VERY debatable
JCL10
How is either of those points debateable?
User 401527550
Kershaw has better numbers than all of them.
amk1920
Kershaw’s peak was 2010-16. He was the best pitcher in modern history for that stretch. Not even debatable
ellisburks
“Best pitcher in modern history.” Pedro Martinez and his peak of 97-2003 of 213 ERA+, 118-36 w/l, 2.20 ERA,2bb/9 and 11.3k/9 in the steroid era is on line one for you.
differentbears
Kershaw’s peak was 10 years, and included 2017.
Pads Fans
Outside of 2020, in the expansion era no pitcher has had an ERA+ over 240 except Maddux and Martinez and each of them did it twice.
User 401527550
Any stat with a plus on it is a made up stat by some random people we don’t even know how qualified they are.
Pads Fans
ALL stats are made up. If you don’t know how qualified they are that tells us you are not really a baseball fan. Maybe start by figuring out who developed those stats.
The + means that its adjusted for park, season, and league. Can’t discuss one era of baseball vs another or one home park vs another without knowing making those adjustments.
User 401527550
No stats aren’t all made up. They are Math. Adjusting for era parks and season is just fantasy projections on what could have been. The only thing that matters is what actually happened between the lines. True baseball fans know this.
good vibes only
I was like “no way” when I read this but looking at the numbers, I agree. Even Kershaw’s peak years aren’t as good as all 3. He comps best with Pedro, but Clemons and Maddux careers and peaks are a step up. Godshaw is still a first ballot HOF, all the same.
Pads Fans
7 year peak
Kershaw – 49.7 WAR/2.10 ERA/173 ERA+/Best season – 197 ERA+
Maddux – 56.3 WAR/2.15 ERA/190 ERA+/Best season – 271 ERA+
Martinez – 58.2 WAR/2.20 ERA/213 ERA+/Best season – 291 ERA+
Pedro was 23% better than Maddux and 40% better than Kershaw over their 7 year peaks. For a single season Martinez was arguably the best pitcher in the modern era.
IF 2023 is Kershaw’s final season. all three finished their careers as unquestioned, 1st ballot HOF.
Brew88
Randy Johnson 99-05 had a WAR of 53, but missed most of 2003
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Maddux, Clemens*, Martinez, Randy Johnson, Kershaw, Verlander, Scherzer – all first ballot hall of gamers
The best that I have seen in person Johnson, Maddux and Kershaw
I did see Carlton, Seaver and Ryan, but that’s a different generation to me
User 401527550
He was 40% better then Kershaw but gave up less runs? Do you not see how dishonest these stats with projections are? Any stat with a plus on it is fun to look at but doesn’t mean anything? They are just projections.
Pads Fans
The Big Unit was insanely dominant. Absolutely loved watching him pitch. Could not even imagine being a LHB and stepping in the box against him.
Pads Fans
That you do not understand that they pitched in a different era is apparent. Maybe start by learning what the stats MEAN.
Pedro and Maddux pitched in the steroid era. In 1995 the average ERA for a starting pitcher was 4.55. In 2000 the average ERA for a starting pitcher was 4.87. To put up a 1.56 ERA in 1995 like Maddux did or a 1.74 ERA in 2000 like Martinez did meant more than putting up a 1.77 in 2014 when the average ERA for a starter in MLB was 3.82.
That you don’t understand things like that makes your opinion suspect at best and I am trying to be nice.
baseballhistory
Kershaw was better than Maddux when they were both at their peak.
stevewpants
Taking nothing away from Maddux, definitely agreeing that Kershaw had better peak, those on here old enough to have watched a lot of 90s Braves games can attest that Maddux got more pitches called for strikes off the outside corner than anyone else I’ve ever seen.
RyanD44
Yea, I hate trying to compare eras, but it is a real thing that a large part of Maddux’s success was that the strike zone was about twice as large as it is today.
I went back and watched a Cubs-Braves game from 1998, and it was insane how many strikes were called 2-3 inches off the plate, and no one argued. It was just how the game was.
And yes, I know steroids were a significant factor in that era, but who is to say that Maddux or Pedro didn’t use them? Taking steroids doesn’t necessarily mean someone is jacked. Some help with recovery, adderall is a PED, and that has very little to do with physique, but can help someone significantly in both training and focus.
unpaidobserver
Kershaw got a lot of gift calls too. This is yhe ultimeate hair split.
unpaidobserver
Maddux didnt throw that hard and Pedro had an abbreviated peak.
We thought it was unreal how Clemens was able to pitch like he did as late as he did. As it turned out, it was.
User 401527550
That’s because he was the most accurate pitcher in baseball history. When you can get a ball moving and hit your spot 95% of the time why wouldn’t you pitch six inches off the plate.
RyanD44
Bc if it’s not a strike, it’s not a strike. We need a concrete zone, not something that is so subjective.
The zone is specifically defined, yet we have games decided by inconsistency and how well the umpires see an invisible zone.
Maddux would not be as good of a pitcher if he pitched today.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I’ll say that Maddux didn’t use steroids, his body aged naturally during his career
I only saw Pedro in the NL
14thor
1997 NLCS game 5 strike zone was as big as a Cadillac.
Pads Fans
The facts say otherwise and its not particularly close. Both best individual season and best 7 year peak. Martinez was better than both Maddux and Kershaw. All of them were substantially better than any other pitchers in their era. All are no question HOF pitchers.
Pads Fans
Maddux had the best control of any pitcher I have ever seen. In 2007 when he was with the Padres, while they were warming up in the bullpen before a start against the Reds I watched the bullpen catcher put a blindfold on and hold out his glove and Maddux put the pitch right in the glove. Maddux was 41 at the time. Maddux went on to pitch 9 innings giving up just a single run in that game.
Part of the reason Maddux got calls was that his control was so pinpoint.
None of that changes the fact that Maddux was much better than Kershaw at their peak.
Pads Fans
7 years is 7 years. Pedro was the best. Perhaps the best in the modern era.
Pads Fans
Ryan is on crack. Maddux was insanely talented and would be just as good today. At age 41 he threw 198 innings with a better than league average ERA. That is not so long ago. Among starting pitchers in 2023, not one had a lower HH% than Maddux did in that 2007 season. At age 41.
I agree that we need automated ball and strike calling, but that would not have hindered Maddux. His had control and movement on his pitches that would play today. He had 5 pitches that were considered plus pitches in his day. FIVE.
Zerbs63
You are right Kershaw was better than them at his peak, not debatable.
Pads Fans
Absolutely debatable. The facts say otherwise. Pedro was the best of those 3 without question. Maddux was a close 2nd. Kershaw is far behind both.
Does that mean Kershaw is not an all time great? No, because he is and a 1st ballot HOF also. Was he a better pitcher than either of those two? Not even close.
christopher8002
So with this and the unsurprising Lynn news, how many starting pitchers do the Dodgers need to add this winter? Four?! (that could include sufficient rotation depth, too)
CardsFan57
The Dodgers will likely do what they always do sign a boring veteran or two then promote a few youngsters and win the division.
acoss13
I wonder if Mo will kick the tires on Lynn…
Pete'sView
Lynn is a batting practice pitcher.
gbs42
acoss13, please no Lynn for Mo.
acoss13
gbs42
Sorry I was just joking how Mo can say he’s prioritizing something and then immediately pivot to the bargain bin lol
CardsFan57
I hope MO doesn’t look at Lynn.
Sunday Lasagna
For a Cards fan, you understand the Dodgers very well! They also like Japanese hurlers, Nomo had some nice years, Yamamoto could do the same.
LATrolleyDodger
Yes! Hoping for this
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cards fan
Not this year, either Ohtani or Yamamoto or both will be Dodgers
CardsFan57
I should have mentioned that the Dodgers will also sign Ohtani. I didn’t because he won’t affect the pitching this year.
Balk
Article on mlb says they are the favorite to land Ohtani. They’ll just have to wait a year more for some of that pitching though. As a Giants fan I expect him to sign somewhere else, although we can always wish right? Hahaha…also read that he’s intrigued by the Red Sox…didn’t know they were in the bidding.
Pete'sView
Yamamoto more important than Ohtani to the Giants.
Balk
I think they’re all important. But all I know is they need to land two of the top free agents
thronson6
Dodgers handled injuries poorly this year in my opinion. I know surgery is his choice but if they would’ve pushed for it and he would’ve done it when everyone knew he wasn’t right he could’ve been ready for the start of the season. Gotta give him credit for closing out the season and still attempting to pitch in the playoffs but that sucks. I wonder if he signs with the Rangers or stays with the Dodgers. I have a gut feeling he goes with the Rangers and the Dodgers either trade for a starter or sign someone like Yamamoto or both.
NickTheDev
Well they now need FOUR starters… so I think they are certainly going to have to sign a few.
Sunday Lasagna
Miller, Buehler and Sheehan will all be in the rotation, they will add 2, not 4.
NickTheDev
Adding 2 is not enough… and you need more than 5… Buehler isn’t ready to go and Sheehan is not ready for a full time rotation spot.. Have you not seen what happens to the Dodgers when they have less than 8 starters?
Sunday Lasagna
Buehler has already been through TJS, he and his docs know where he is and yes, ready for 2024.
Sheehan was a different pitcher after his return from the minors, yes he will be in the rotation.
You may not like those yeses but come April you will see those yeses.
Pete'sView
thronson6 — Your “gut feeling” goes in contradiction to everything we know about Kershaw. He will retire as a lifetime Dodger.
Deleted Userr
He’s not signing with Rangers! Deal with it!
LATrolleyDodger
The legendary Harambe has spoken
gbs42
He *could* sign with the Rangers. 😉
Deleted Userr
And Margot Robbie *could* sleep with me.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Legendary
Only if Kevin Acee publishes a rumor that it might happen.
Brew’88
but the resulting blonde-haired little harambe ape-like offspring “would” be hideous.
central scrutinizer
@thronson6 I agree that Kershaw definitely noticed what the Rangers are building after their outstanding season. The Rangers also seem to have a very unified clubhouse, 1st class field manager, a GM/front office willing to take some chances, and an owner willing to spend. Not to mention a new ballpark and an energized fan base. If he decides to play in 2024 and go for the 3000 K’s, he will probably return to the Dodgers, but the Rangers never looked so good. Plus he lives in the Dallas metroplex.
Deleted Userr
lol
filihok
Oof
Doesn’t sound great
Hopefully he can rejoin the Dodger rotation sometime next season and for the playoffs,
Slider_withcheese
Announced on IG for clout and to gain followers. Oldest trick in the book next to a bulldog in a costume, and a blonde girl wearing a sundress with a big hat.
amk1920
The Dodgers paid Bauer 20 million to pitch in Japan while a franchise icon’s shoulder was dying because there was no other option. Pathetic move by ownership leaving Kershaw out to dry. No offseason SP help and no in-season help outside of Lance “HR” Lynn
NickTheDev
It certainly felt like Andrew should have gotten his wallet out and gotten them some more help at the deadline!
filihok
NTD
“It certainly felt like Andrew should have gotten his wallet out and gotten them some more help at the deadline!”
Pitching wasn’t the problem in the playoffs
Also, don’t get confused, it’s not Andrew’s wallet
padrepapi
filihok…
“pitching wasn’t the problem in the playoffs”
Really???
Here is the combined line the Dodgers got from there three starters in the playoffs:
4.2 IP, 16H, 13R, 5HR, 3BB, 2k
That might be the worst pitching performance from a starting rotation in the history of the playoffs! 14 outs while giving up 13 runs… hard to do any worse!
Pads Fans
The Dodgers pitching gave up 19 runs in 3 games in the playoffs. That seemed to be their biggest issue. Having a healthy Kershaw might have helped. A trade for a better starter than Lynn certainly would have helped.
DarkSide830
You clearly don’t get it if you don’t understand why they cut Bauer loose.
Yanks4life22
Honestly the Dodgers, MLB and the media should be ashamed of themselves for how they portrayed Bauer after the allegations came out. I’m ashamed of myself for being so quick to paint him as a villain without doing my homework. Just goes to show that it’s very hard to find the truth these days.
LATrolleyDodger
He wasn’t convicted, that’s true, but the fact is is that he is a guy who gets his rocks off by giving people black eyes (consensual or not). Hard to root for someone who does that. He’s still playing baseball, his life didn’t end because of it.
foppert1
You need to remember how Bauer portrayed MLB. He started that game.
In regards to the allegations that gave MLB the opening, all you had to do was believe the man. Not very hard at all. The truth wasn’t hidden.
Pads Fans
Truth.
Bauer admitted to beating the woman in question. So did his attorney. Of that there is no question. We know both of those to be facts. He claimed it was consensual and he said, she said cases are rarely brought to court.
MLB found Bauer guilty of violating their rules against domestic violence.
An arbitration panel in Bauer’s appeal hearing found him guilty of violating MLB rules against domestic violence.
Bauer filed 3 cases for defamation. One went to court. Bauer lost.
He dropped the other two including the one against the woman who he admitted he beat immediately after he was called to testify in both.
Those are the facts. That is the truth. If you don’t know those facts, maybe you should be ashamed for trying to defend him.
Zerbs63
Bauer didn’t do any of that. Watch the video that was taken the morning after the alleged abuse. The girl isn’t injured at all. She was a total con artist trying to extort millions from Bauer and they have the text messages to her friends to prove it. She lost all her civil lawsuits, and no criminal charges. Bauer should sue MLB for the millions he lost while he was suspended.
filihok
Zerba
Muted
Fernando Ringworm Jr.
Didn’t you say LH was going to re-file her lawsuit against Bauer because he violated the terms of the settlement?
Pads Fans
I posted the FACTS. Truth. That you are even trying to defend Bauer is all I need to know about you and your lack of character. Goodbye.
Pads Fans
I said that her lawyer said they might and I could see them doing so. Instead she got $300k.
What I know for sure is that Bauer refused to testify in the defamation case against her and dropped the case.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.
No you said that Freedman said that they WOULD re-file the case, even though it was dismissed with prejudice which means they legally can’t. And then when asked for a link you gave a link to something unrelated.
He can’t be forced to testify. Nor can the other side comment on his refusal to testify if he chooses not to.
The $300k did not come from Bauer or anyone on his behalf.
Fernando Ringworm Jr.
I ask because the case being re-filed would be interesting if it were in fact true but the only place I’ve heard that is from you.
amk1920
Because people with blue check marks on twitter would get mad. Nobody is boycotting games and certainly not complaining when you get a good playoff performance instead of 6 runs before you even go up to bat
LATrolleyDodger
Looks like he plans on another season! I hope he rehabs well and focuses on getting his body back in shape. Kersh has been letting himself go (not as bad as Lynn). Changing up the diet and shedding some pounds could help him
Slider_withcheese
So would stepping in a Time Machine and setting the year back 5
LATrolleyDodger
Changing it up wouldn’t hurt. I’m not expecting him to be yoked or massive, just make movement easier and less taxing.
Slider_withcheese
Agree. With the unlimited resources he has available to him there should be zero reason not to come into next season in shape.
KennyF’nPowers
Maybe he goes back home to Texas to fill in for Scherzer when he breaks down mid season.
Butter Biscuits
Don’t fall for it Friedman
PutPeteinthehall
Have to agree. It’s time to shake hands and part ways. Urias, Bauer, and now Kershaw. Parting ways isn’t always pretty but at least they won’t have to pay him and can use the money to sign someone that can take the ball in the playoffs.
RyÅnWKrol
Is he going to play out the rest of his career like Pedro?
Deleted Userr
Still pushing the ridiculous “Kershaw to Rangers” narrative I see.
And no, it doesn’t matter if “ThEy JuSt WoN tHe WoRlD sErIeS !”
leftykoufax
He wants another WS ring like I want another slice of pizza, all the power to him.
Datashark
Its interesting last year he could have joined the Rangers and got a WS Ring.
I think this freeagent year might be different with that whole nun episode – left him with a bad taste, that he will stay in Texas and go to Rangers (hometown team) -He has a good relationship with Bochy.
THEY LIVE!!!
The “whole nun episode” was quite disturbing.
Deleted Userr
lol
Deleted Userr
Already offered. If Kershaw signs with the Rangers I’ll renounce everything and delete my account. But if he doesn’t this site and its commenters need to stop saying “Player x will sign with team y because he’s from there/went to college there” FOREVER.
Blue Baron
He’s probably done.
Johan Santana had the same surgery and never pitched again. He tried but couldn’t do it.
acoss13
I think he’s coming back just to get 3000 strikeouts and then he’s out, which makes sense for him to just pitch 2-3 months instead of a whole season.
Blue Baron
If he can still pitch at the MLB level after the surgery. I wouldn’t bet on it.
The National Institutes of Health did a study of 287 elite pitchers with an average age of 27 who had shoulder capsule surgery.
Only 63, or 22%, returned to pitching, and not at the same level as before surgery.
Pads Fans
I didn’t realize it was that low. To be honest I didn’t believe that so I looked it up and you are correct. Wow!
Hoping for the best for Kershaw.
Monkey’s Uncle
This article left me feeling very gleno-humeral.
DickDollars
Gleno-humeral surgery is no joke.
HalosHeavenJJ
You know a guy just absolutely loves the game when he’s accomplished practically everything you can accomplish and made enough money for several lifetimes and still wants to come back after a pretty serious surgery (at least from a sports perspective).
At this point the only question is when Kershaw starts the countdown to Cooperstown.
Blue Baron
If he’s like most pitchers who undergo shoulder capsule surgery, he’s done and the clock starts now.
HalosHeavenJJ
Agreed.
Definitely not the way he wanted to go out but so few athletes end on a high note. These guys compete until there’s nothing left.
Blue Baron
Someone once said that everyone gets told they can’t play anymore.
Most of us experience that as kids or young adults. Guys who play professionally experience it much later in life, but it still happens.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Kershaw is already an outlier. I would not bet my money either way on this.
Shadow_Banned
I’d rather have Nathan Eovaldi numbers. Bad regular season exceptional post season numbers than Clayton Kershaw numbers. I’ve been saying it
Blue Baron
I suspect you would like to have any major leaguer’s numbers.
filihok
RE: Shadow
Love it when someone who’s like a night manager at Walmart, or whatever, opines on the careers of the most successful athletes in the world.
Shadow_Banned
I suspect your teams middle of the pack or bottom feeding. I’ve been blessed to watch non stop Dodger dominance to understand the differing levels of success. You can have regular season success or post season. Kike Hernandez, Joc Peterson all pedestrian performers until you the calendar turns to October. Those are the dudes I like
filihok
SB
“I suspect your teams middle of the pack or bottom feeding.”
We’ve identified the problem immediately – you think that you know more than you do and think that your opinion based on no evidence has some value.
There’s no reason to think that, given the small samples involved, we can see who’s a clutch post season performed and who’s just having a bad couple of games.
There are like 25 Wednesday games a season, so an everyday player would get around 100 PA’s a season on Wednesdays. Without doubt, there would be some clutch Wednesday performers and some Wednesday chokers. But no one would say that that was because of something mental.
The exact same thing, undoubtedly happens in October.
Sure, some players feel the pressure more than others. No doubt
But we can’t know how that pressure impacts them just by looking at the numbers. There’s too much noise.
Shadow_Banned
It’s easy for me to see, Chris Taylor, Kike, Joc, Seager and Eovaldi all produce in the playoffs it’s as simple as that and all I ask from my team is to go after those guys.
Die hard Kershaw fan here but he got dismantled these playoffs why would I expect that to change when faces teams like the Astros, Rangers, D-bags?
filihok
SB
Yes. It’s easy to see what’s happened in the past. Almost everyone can do it.
It’s harder to see what will happen in the future
Seeing what will happen in the future is harder than just looking at part of what happened in the past.
You’re concluding that a coin that came up heads 50% of the time in 1000 flips is going to come up tails because it came up tails twice in a row
That makes no sense
Yes. People are different than coins. But, if a coin can be clutch or choke then we have to assume that a person can also do that without it being the result of their mental character.
Shadow_Banned
I understand what you’re saying it’s harder to predict the future. I think it’s easier to future playoff performance by the size of those guys balls. There’s an intangible element that I’m speaking of that seems to be going over your head.
There’s a reason why Chris Taylor, Kike, Hernandez, and October Nathan Eovaldi suddenly have great postseason numbers, outings, or at bats it’s because they are not afraid of the big moment they relish it
filihok
SB
I have no doubt there is a mental element
I don’t think you (or any of us that haven’t met these players or done biometrics can know what’s going on in their heads.
And I think it’s pretty arrogant and ignorant you think you can
Blue Baron
@Shadow_Banned: How does the Dodgers’ performance make you more knowledgeable about baseball than anyone else?
By the same token, how does any team’s performance make filihok less knowledgeable?
You remind me of dumb, arrogant Yankees fans who believe that all of the team’s championships, many of which came before they were even born, somehow makes them superior human beings.
Shadow_Banned
Because I’ve seen great Dodger teams and excellent Dodger teams. The excellent teams have talent and clutch hitting. 2017 Dodgers had like 50 come from behind wins and I just knew that team was special. 2021 Dodgers won even more games but they were missing that spark (Puig, Joc, Kike).
So if you’re a Mets fan, you’re used to being disappointed so any chance you think they’re good it’s harder to asses how good they really are when they’ve been ass their entire existence.
Blue Baron
But I have watched many teams play in more than 15 different ballparks over the years, and I have learned about the game from personal contact with those intimately involved, including your friends Fred Claire and Tommy Lasorda.
Being a fan of a team goes back to childhood and does not necessarily make anyone a one-dimensional or myopic observer of the game.
To paraphrase Crash Davis in “Bull Durham,” you being a Dodgers fan doesn’t mean that you’re not as full of it as anyone else.
Blue Baron
You certainly don’t appear to know much of anything.
filihok
SB
“Because I’ve seen great Dodger teams and excellent Dodger teams. The excellent teams have talent and clutch hitting. 2017 Dodgers had like 50 come from behind wins and I just knew that team was special. 2021 Dodgers won even more games but they were missing that spark (Puig, Joc, Kike).”
You’re almost certainly looking in retrospect.
“So if you’re a Mets fan, you’re used to being disappointed so any chance you think they’re good it’s harder to asses how good they really are when they’ve been ass their entire existence.”
Again. You’re just proving that your ability to read minds doesn’t exist.
Blue Baron
I bet I’ve seen more games at Dodger Stadium (outstanding ballpark experience) and Anaheim Stadium than he’s seen at Citi Field, Shea Stadium, and old or new Yankee Stadium, and watched the Mets play on the road more than he has the Dodgers.
I even ate Dodger Dogs in the Dodger Stadium press box once!
Pads Fans
So you got banned on one account and then created another? Says volumes about you.
Shadow_Banned
@Pads yes.
The Mets, Soto, Machado, and Lindor were a hot topic this summer.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think most would choose Kershaw’s career over MadBum.
differentbears
I know the Dodgers are going year to year with Kershaw, but I wonder if this news might result in a 2024 contract for an amount that’s calculated off the estimated amount of starts, with a mutual option for 2025.
l9ydodger
What was it, 2 or 3 weeks ago Friedman said “there will be no players having surgery this year.”
First Peralta, now Kershaw. Yeah, maybe neither player is “technically“ not signed right now but, the P.O.B.O. of the Dodgers doesn’t know the physical condition of his players? I have a feeling Friedman will go bargain hunting in the dumpster again, Flaherty, Giolito, Lugo instead of signing better pitchers such as Snell, Nola or Yamamoto. Jordan Montgomery would/should be better than Flaherty or Giolito. There’s also the trade route for someone like Corbin Burnes, Dylan Cease, Shane Bieber or someone from Seattle or Miami. The Dodgers have the money and prospects to dictate how the offseason moves. Let’s hope Kasten, Walter et/all don’t settle for “well, we’re drawing 3.8 million per year and making MONEY! Why change anything?”
leftcoaster
With all those pitcher injuries it’s truly amazing they were able to win the West.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Leftcoaster
“Win the West by 15 games”
greg1
Hope he makes his way back at some point in 2024. Not a Dodgers fan, but love Kershaw. Anytime he hits the mound, we’re getting the opportunity to watch one of the best ever to do it. Also love that he’s one of the last old school pitchers, doesn’t need to throw 98MPH with a 96MPH slider to get guys out. Screw all the FIP, FWAR, etc garbage, Hall of Fame pitchers are Hall of Fame pitchers.
holecamels35
Good numbers during the regular season but seems like a liability because you never know what point he will get hurt and if he will be available or effective during the playoffs when it matters most.
filihok
hc
Not sure I’ve seen a taek as hot as “Kershaw is a liability”
Another brain rotted by hot taek culture and sports TV and radio