Blue Jays shortstop Bo Bichette has come up in some trade rumors this offseason but it doesn’t appear there’s much momentum towards a deal there. Both Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic and Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet addressed the possibility in columns today, both downplaying the likelihood of the Jays choosing this path.
Nicholson-Smith says he spoke with executives with teams other than the Jays, who gave him the impression the Jays are planning to hold. Rosenthal says the Jays are indeed getting calls from other clubs about Bichette and first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Jr. but that doesn’t mean they are motivated to move either.
This is all fairly understandable under the conditions of this winter’s market. It’s generally agreed that the crop of free agent hitters is on the weak side, which would naturally lead clubs to find upgrades on the trading block. But the Jays are also looking to upgrade their own position player group, having to replace free agents Matt Chapman, Whit Merrifield, Brandon Belt and Kevin Kiermaier. Subtracting Bichette and/or Guerrero would only make that task harder and it’s hard to imagine a trade that would make sense for both sides.
Each of Bichette and Guerrero are two years away from free agency, so any club looking to acquire them would naturally be in win-now mode. But the Jays are in a competitive window as well, meaning MLB-ready talent would have to be coming back in exchange, and it would be difficult to send something to the Jays that makes the club better than Bichette does. The shortstop has produced 13.5 wins above replacement over the past three years, per FanGraphs, which puts him in the top 25 of all position players in the league. Guerrero’s past two seasons weren’t as strong as his 2021 campaign but he was still good for roughly 30 homers with a low strikeout rate. With the Jays actively pursuing Shohei Ohtani, parting ways with a star player like Bichette or Guerrero wouldn’t help their pitch.
In terms of Toronto’s pursuits, it’s been reported that the Jays are interested in a Chapman reunion and that still appears to be the case. Both Nicholson-Smith and Keegan Matheson of MLB.com indicate that the dialogue is still open between the Jays and Chapman but it doesn’t appear there’s anything close to getting done. Chapman reportedly turned down an extension offer of four or five years while still with the club.
Another option the Jays considered was right-hander Aaron Nola, with Nicholson-Smith reporting that the club “showed early interest” in the righty before he re-signed with the Phillies. Though the lineup seems to the priority for the Jays, it seems there’s at least some openness to a rotation addition, with the Jays having also been connected to Yoshinobu Yamamoto.
The rotation already has Kevin Gausman, José Berríos, Chris Bassitt and Yusei Kikuchi in four spots, with Alek Manoah, Bowden Francis, Mitch White and prospect Ricky Tiedemann options for the back end. Adding Nola or Yamamoto in there would likely lead to someone becoming available in trade, with Jays reportedly open to moving Manoah.
Overall, it’s been a quiet offseason for the Jays thus far, with the team having only made perfunctory transactions in the past few weeks. It’s entirely possible that all their upcoming moves will hinge on their pursuit of Ohtani, as the club is seen as one of a handful of legitimate contenders for the two-way superstar. Though they have some openness to reuniting with Chapman, pursuing Yamamoto or perhaps going after Cody Bellinger, all of those options may be on the backburner until the Ohtani situation has some clarity. Since Ohtani is widely expected to require a record-breaking deal of $500MM or more, it stands to reason that the club would want to figure out their chances there before committing to other options that will also require significant funds.
Interesting that he has come up in rumors. Young. Cost controlled for 2 more seasons. Team in win now mode. I would think that he is the kind of player they would want to keep as part of their core.
They do want to keep him. These rumors were made up in the media.
not made up, definitely true. But just because the Jays are listening doesnt mean they are willing.
Well, your comment didn’t age well.
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Wish list from other GM’s I’m sure. That said, the Jays have been 1st round playoff exits in each of their three most recent trip to the postseason. Maybe they feel they’ve hit a plateau and would consider something big like a Bo trade to shake it up.
Any talks about Soto would have to include one or the other. Right? Speculation at best.
Maybe they view him as a Nomar Garciaparra type who is very good and makes the team good, but flipping him for other pieces and signing certain free agents would be the difference makers to push them over the world series contender threshold?
The difference is Bichette has not worn out his welcome as Nomar did. He was a addition by subtraction. Bichette is a good young player who doesn’t come with baggage and will make a team much better instantly.
Nomar? Out of all the shortstops to compare, you probably chose the one that’s the biggest outlier.
Bichette made -0- sense since the beginning. No one runs a $250M+ payroll and then draws the line on the best player. And no contender trades away their best player unless they have a replacement available.
Joe, I agree about Bichette and think that goes for the Padres and Soto. They have no other .900 OPS hitter.
Expiring contract makes it different.
Padres are in win now mode, so an expiring contract makes no difference.
Losing him for a draft pick will help them not win now.
Last I checked the draft pick he would represent will not be picked until June of 2025. That anytime soon?
Huh? I’m saying don’t wait to lose him for a draft pick
What part of win NOW do you not understand? They won’t lose him for 2024.
If only there was a way to trade players and get back players that could help win in the near term.
Someone should invent that
Padres are in dump payroll mode.
Win now with what rotation and financial constraints?
Best way for Padres to move forward is trade Soto for several young pitchers.
Presently have Darvish, Musgrove, and……
Name a time it happened when a 6 WAR player was traded for players that did BETTER than 6 WAR in the 1st season.
Wrong. But thanks for playing.
The loan taken out by the Padres was not approved by MLB until days after the last payroll of the season was paid out on September 15th. The executive quoted in the article said that it was planned for a long time and was for an expense that was anticipated for later in the year. It was NOT for payroll.
You know what it quite possibly WAS for? The land at Tailgate Park that they must close on with the city of San Diego for in December. The same land where they are going to be building a $1.5 billion development. cisterra.com/tailgatepark
That makes MUCH more sense, but it’s not near as sensational as claiming the Padres are borrowing money to pay payroll. You wouldn’t click on the link to read the article talking about that so the failing Athletic didn’t publish what is most likely the real story.
Some additional facts for you to chew on.
The Padres are now revenue sharing payers. Like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox and other big market teams, they are paying into the revenue sharing system instead of receiving money and draft picks from it. They are a top 14 revenue team. That means revenue of more than $440 million.
The Padres had record revenue in 2023. They made more money than in any season in their history.
Prior to the season the Padres CEO Erik Greupner said that the team would NOT lose money in 2023. That they could not maintain the level of payroll GROWTH that they had the last few years, but that they would not lose money in 2023. Pretty sure HE knows their financial situation.
The Padres had record attendance since opening Petco and were 2nd in MLB. They had the highest percentage of seats sold in MLB.
Padres 2024 season tickets are sold out. Even after increasing season ticket costs by 10-25% depending on the area, they are all sold. You can get on a waitlist if you want, but so many season ticket holders re-upped and added seats that its not likely you will get in even in 2025. mlb.com/padres/tickets/season-tickets/waitlist
The Padres are having a single game ticket sale that started on the 21st and runs through Dec 4th and there are very few tickets of any kind left, so hurry if you want to see your favorite team play the Padres. mlb.com/padres/tickets/specials/holiday-ticket-off…
Maury Brown of the Business of Baseball is saying it’s likely that the Padres will earn more money from TV in 2024 than the $52 million DSG/Ballys would have paid them. They knew the DSG/Ballys bankruptcy was coming and were ready. MLB paid them 80% of the one payment out of 6 that DSG/Ballys defaulted on. They had contracts signed with all the carriers that DSG had them on when it was Bally’s SD the very next day. The next day. All of them. Cox, Spectrum, AT&T, DIRECTV, and FUBO. They added Spectrum Hawaii. They also became the first team to be able to sell MLB.tv single team packages that were not blocked out locally. By the end of the season, they were making $4 million per month JUST from those packages. With more time to sell them, that number will go up.
Not ONE person on the Padres has even intimated that they are cutting payroll. In fact, Seidler said a few months ago that they were staying the course and payroll would stay about the same as in 2023. Since his death, to a person, including the new interim point man Eric Kutsenda, the GM, and the CEO have all said they are continuing what Seidler set in motion. They have said that as recently as Shildt’s introductory press conference. 11/21: Padres Press Conference | 11/21/2023 | San Diego Padres (mlb.com)
Melvin was allowed to leave because the Padres were rudderless in 2023 and missed the playoffs. Melvin’s self-proclaimed hands-off approach to managing the team did not work. His lack of ability to make effective in-game management decisions led to a MLB and franchise worst record in 1-run and extra-inning games. The situation was so bad that on Sept 1st a group of 7 players including all the team leaders came to Preller to complain about Melvin’s managing of the team.
Soto is not being shopped around. Preller said what any GM would say. He would listen if someone called, but that he did not see any way that Soto would not be a Padre in 2024. He also said that extending him was the biggest priority this offseason.
Padres ownership is not in flux. The majority partner of the Padres is the trust established by Peter Seidler prior to his death and controlled by Sheel Seidler, his wife. Peter’s longtime friend and business partner is acting as the team’s interim control person for interactions with MLB. The team will stay in the Seidler family and Peter set aside a portion of his trust to make sure that the Padres could continue to field a championship level team for years to come.
Now you can continue to be a hater or you can face the facts that the media is not interested in feeding you the facts, only in feeding you what keeps you clicking on their websites.
Its November dumas. The season doesn’t start tomorrow.
If Soto does get traded I hope you have close friends and family that can check on your well being
I agree, and for all the same reasons as Bichette. At some point, a team will be pot-committed. There are at least a half-dozen teams that could use a rebuild or a re-boot. Or take a year off to get under the cap.
Trading Soto won’t accomplish that. That would just mean a $270M team with diminished capacity. At that point, you are better off adding some short-term pieces to see how it works out. Guys like Glasnow & Cease would fit you well. Come the trade deadline, if you are struggling (which I doubt), all three of those guys will still be legit trade candidates.
On the flip side, Soto is a an asset and risking him being hurt or the team being in the hunt and not being able to trade him and losing him only for a pick is how poorly run organizations operate.
Just ask the angels
Thats a bit different. You had to be a die hard homer or Arte Moreno to think the Angels wver had a shot of winning much last year.
I don’t think winning should matter for the most part.
Yankees almost lost Judge in the same scenario, it’s poor asset management
If you want to keep the player, sign them to an extension, If you don’t, trade them.
Like the Red Sox who traded Betts and have never come close to a WS appearance since. You don’t trade future HOF players.
Soto was literally acquired by trade from the Padres lol
Red Sox went to the CS in 2021
Keep going, you’re doing great
How have the Nationals done? Two straight last place finishes for the Red Sox. Want to try again?
Of course winning matters. WTF is wrong with you?
lol and how have the padres done?
What are you even talking about hahah
Padres didn’t even make the playoffs last year when 84 wins got you in.
Yeah, I’m not sure why people think Soto is so easily tradeable. Padres got hom to win. I know they said money was tight but don’t think they want to move Soto. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows…
Welcome to Blue Jays baseball Joe.
They should rob a team blind for Guerrero because as much as the league wants him to be that guy, he’s not.
@DarrenDreifortsContract
Based on predictive metrics like BA & wOBA, he’s going to have a BA of 0.280 & wOBA of 0.360. Does this mean he can’t change this trajectory? No, but he’s not the mega star that he was promoted as. A player with slightly above average batting average and above average wOBA is definitely going to help but don’t overvalue him like some Mike Trout or Acuna Jr.
@Old York. Overvaluing a player that has a career OPS over 900 and has only had one season where he was ONLY above league average on a dramatically team friendly deal? I mean how do you do that? I mean sure, if I compared him with Willy Mays or Ted Williams or someone of that ilk.
I can’t help but feel like you are motivated by being a contrarian.
@SalaryCapMyth
OPS isn’t a predictive stat like AB & wOBA. I look at that when evaluating a player. He’s a decent player but not one to back the truck up for.
Sabremetrics aren’t predictive. They’re indicative of whether a player had good fortune or not any particular year. That’s why you don’t see things like wOBA BEFORE the season starts such as zip stats. Additionally, his wOBA last year was .428 which is elite. His last three out of four wOBA’s have all been elite. The one out of his last four was the season I said he was just league average. Additionally, his xwOBA is elite as well. His 15.3% barrell% is elite. His 46.1% hardhit is elite.
The metrics disagree with you.
@SalaryCapMyth
Quote: Sabremetrics aren’t predictive.
– I never said it was predictive. I pointed out that Batting Average (not Sabermetics) is one of the key metric to look for when it comes to future outcomes. As this site states:
Once you have a large enough sample size on a player, previous batting average, on-base percentage, weighted on-base average, home runs, and stolen bases are the best way to estimate what a player will accomplish in an upcoming season. There’s a lot of variability in surface-level statistics from one year to the next, but if you’re taking a weighted average of multiple seasons, that matters much less. Remember, baseball features a 162-game season, and is thus an inherently large-sample-size sport.
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I’ll stick with analyzing the previous batting average, on-base percentage, weighted on-base average, home runs, and stolen bases to evaluate the players. I think Guerrero is an above average player but I’m not here to suggest he’s the next coming of Acuna Jr, Ohtani or even Babe Ruth.
Career stats:
BA: .279 (above league average)
OBP: .355 (above average)
wOBA: .360 (above average)
HRs: Averaging 26/year but since 2019, when he started, the average # of HRs by a 1B has been 31, so he’s slightly below average.
SB: He’s slightly below average for SBs for 1B during this time period. Group averaged 4 while he averaged 3.5 per season.
Again, he’s an above average player based on the predictive data but I wouldn’t be unloading a large brinks truck for him. He’ll be paid but hopefully not an overpay based on his predictive data.
So, by all means, if you prefer to look at unreliable data and metrics to base your conclusions, then I guess you’re right that the incorrect metrics disagree with me but I know better not to use such unreliable data.
Couldn’t agree more Darren. This team needs a shake up and trading Vlad for a haul would be a great start. I’ve been saying it since they were both in AA, Bichette is the keeper here. Vlad is easily replaceable.
I’m not sure what the future holds for Vlad.
But writing off a player with his underline stats at age 24 is just silly. He’s still at the age where most players make their MLB debut.
Angel fans do the same thing with Trout. “Oh his contract is such an albatross” He’s injury prone. blah blah blah.
@Winslow Leach
Well, Angels fans, as we’ve seen from user posts on here, aren’t really looking at the right data.
He’s a career BA of .301, well above league average, 0.422 career wOBA, which is .100 points above league average. That’s his production so he’s worth investing top dollars.
@Dustyslambchops23
Again, if you read what I posted above, I did say that t’s not impossible for him to make adjustments to be better, however, based on the data from his 5-years in MLB, he’s a decent above average hitter but I wouldn’t unload the brinks truck for him, based on his data for future production.
I don’t know about that… if he gets anywhere near his 2021 season stats, then you’ll regret what you just said. He’s young, so anything can happen.
@Cora the Explora
It’s an average of his whole production. Having 1 season significantly above average doesn’t mean he’s always going to be there.
I think most people knew that the Blue Jays weren’t going to trade Bo Bichette. It would make zero sense for them to do that when they are in a win now mode. They also aren’t in a cost cutting small market either like Tampa , Milwaukee or Cleveland.
I agree, teams probably just kicked the tires and Toronto said no thank you.
If Bichette would be available, the DBacks could put together a pretty good deal if they wanted to involve All Star Perdomo, McCarthy, and a decent minor leaguer. Other options too.
Dbacks already fleeced Atkins once, no mas
There’s absolutely no way that would happen without Jordan Lawlar and other top prospects going the other way.
Since there are multiple holes to fill, moving a front line player and getting back multiple players to fill those vacancies makes perfect sense as an option to explore.
They aren’t trading Bichette. The Jays have a 2 year window and they are going for it.
Vladdy hasn’t been the same after boldly proclaiming 2021 was only a prequel and that he’d be following up with an even better year.
Yeah his numbers are going down every year.. Need to get his knees off that parking lot he plays on in Toronto while they can still get something for him. At least if they trade him they won’t have to kick in a case of blow dryers if they trade Bichette.
Vladdy plays on a dirt infield. The Jays haven’t had a concrete infield since the end of 2016.
Trading Bichette makes no sense.
Here is a trade I was working on last night
Jays get
Matz
ONeill
Palacios
For
Manoah
Green
Pearson
Cardinals get a potential ace with problems. They also get 2 potential plus relievers both with risk and Green with a nasty contract he makes 10.5 million a year for the next 2 years
Jays get a starting left fielder with problems. They get a starter with risk but less risk than Manoah who pitched well in his 1 year with the team and Palacios is a bench guy who can play center
Then the Jays trade for Yoan Moncada. That would complete their position player mix and give them another lefty bat.
I still twitch when I think of sending SPs to the Cards. I call them the ‘Carpenter Sweats’
Those were the Dave Duncan days. Now we are in the Dusty Blake era. I don’t think you have anything to worry about.
My guess is that Manoah rebounds. But only the TO FO knows for sure if his head is straight. But I like Matz and O’Neill.
I think ONeill rebounds but the manager called him out publicly and wants him gone. And that’s why he’s gonna be traded.
Manoah isn’t all that different just more years of team control.
Taking that ugly Green contract is a big part of the deal here.
Green isn’t an ugly contract. It is a bargain based on the Jays betting on him. You need to look at the price of good relief pitching. That and the Jays have no problems with money.
The Jays signed him to a 3 year 23.25 million dollar deal last year. It was backloaded he’s still due 21 million of that money over the next 2 years and Green is coming off an injury filled season.
It’s a negative asset. It’s clear as day
Read the contract. The Jays chose the 2 year 10.5M contract this offseason. They could have chosen the 3 year option but they declined. He is making 4.5M in 2024.
What are you talking about Boatmen?
The contract had 3 options that had to be chosen by player and team. Most confusing contract I have seen. Jay’s declined the 3 year option, and went with the 2 year option. If they declined there was an 1 year option for Green or something like that.
Ok yeah I looked it up. I can’t believe they opted to pay him 21 million dollars over the next 2 years with the injuries he’s had the past 2 years. That seems crazy to me.
Take Green out and add Burleson to the offer. Thats fair imo.
The Jays were well aware Green wouldn’t be available until late 2023 before they signed the contract. Green looked pretty good in his return and if he gets back to his career norms that contract is going to be a bargain.
But why would you bet on him returning to career norms after 2 injury filled seasons?
Again if they don’t think it’s a negative asset fine I don’t want that contract.
He was returning from TJ surgery which took part of 2022 and 2023 to recover from. You’re talking like he’s been on and off the field with multiple injuries.
Toronto has a good bullpen and Green at full health only makes it that much better. Neither Manoah or Green are getting moved for Matz, he makes zero sense for the Jays.
Thats a lot of money for a guy who hasn’t pitched a full season since 2021. Guys return from Tommy John all the time but do relievers in their mid 30s get this kind of contract after doing so? I can’t think of anyone who has before.
joel P, Why would the Jays trade for Matz when they did not want him as a FA???
Who said the Jays didn’t want him back?
Cardinals could have simply offered more money. And the team needs change from year to year. They thought Manoah was gonna be around a long time…..
Manoah could still be around a long time. People writing off Manoah over a rough 90 innings is ridiculous.
Manoah might bounce back. He might not. It sounds like the relationship between player and team is fractured beyond repair.
What a terrible trade for the Jay’s
That’s a terrible trade for the jays.
What makes it a bad offer for the Jays?
Having an opinion is great. But you need to learn how to express it that’s how a conversation works.
A potential ace, a late inning reliever, and Pearson who has a ton of potential and looks like he only needs a change of scenery for Matz who’s garbage, Palacios a unproven player and O’Niell who did not look good at all last year for me is a terrible return. Greens contract isn’t a issue or we wouldn’t have agreed to bring him back. That’s my thoughts
If Manoah is a potential ace then ONeill is a potential superstar.
Pearson might have potential but he hasn’t done squat as a big leaguer and he’s only got 3 years of control left
Matz is not garbage that’s 100% false.
If there is something to the Green contract I don’t understand that would change things. What do you mean agreed to bring him back? I don’t know what that means.
We could have declined greens option. Saying Manoah isn’t a potential ace is delusional, Matz is terrible facts, O’Niell will never be a superstar. We too are apart lol agree to disagree
I never said Manoah wasn’t a potential ace. I never said that. I said if Manoah is a potential ace ONeill is a potential superstar. I didn’t tell you how great ONeill is so why are you telling me how great Manoah is? ONeill was top 10 in MVP voting in 2021.
I guess you think the Jays should just keep Manoah? Well newsflash dude I think the Cardinals should keep ONeill. But it isn’t going to happen……
I don’t really care if we trade him or not, I’m probably more on the side on moving him. Don’t be so salty cause we disagree, that’s OK. The only player you mentioned jays may be interested in is O’Niell, rest of the package is not what we need at all. Matz is garbage and we aren’t looking for a 5th starter or 4 at best.
Matz is not garbage. He wasn’t a 4 or 5 starter the year he pitched for you team back in 2021 or whatever it was. And he was actually really good for a while last year but then he got hurt.
Burleson is a good fit as a lefty bench bat who can play corner outfield and 1b. And Palacios lefty bat who can play center. Jays need lefty bats.
I don’t think Matz or Pearson have much trade value at all. I would do ONeill, Palacios and Burleson for Manoah. Palacios doesn’t have much value either but he’s a good fit for the Jays a lefty who can play center. ONeill can also play center in a pinch.
That deal you mentioned there is more in line with my thoughts or a variation of it. I know jays (amd myself) were very interested in Nootbar. Jays would also be interested in Edman and in my fantasy Arenado but There is definitely a trade to be made between the 2 teams.
As for Matz sure he had a good year for us, but it was his best season ever and don’t see him repeating or outplaying Gausman, Barrios or Bassitt so at best he’s a 4 for us barring injury and if he fell in our top 3 I be looking to upgrade, in no way am I starting Matz in the playoffs, plus he’s coming off a injury I think he’s done and best is behind him.
If Matz is a number 4 in a good rotation that’s a good pitcher. Cardinals just gave Lynn 10 million and Gibson 12 million. What does Kikuchi make 12 million?
Nootbaar isn’t available for anything the Jays would want to trade.
Edman could be available by mid season when Scott and Saggese are ready but he cant be traded before that.
Arenado has a no trade clause. I would do Manoah for Arenado and I imagine you would too but that would add a ton of salary to the Jays team and again no trade clause. If Arenado gets dealt it will be to the Dodgerd I assure you of that.
If Manoah was available for Arenado they would jump at it money isn’t really a issue for them right now they plan to spend more then they did last season it sounds like.
I don’t see it that way regarding Matz, like at all we are far off on that one I consider him a 4 at best, that’s at his best, not a 35 year old coming off a injury who’s peak is a 4 starter and to even count on him for 30 starts no way, therefore he’s garbage to me and doesn’t move the needle at all. This is the time for them to go all-in before they potentially lose bo and vlad, any additions need to make us better, adding Matz as even a 5 to me doesn’t do that. Agree to disagree on Matz man lol
The problem with Matz is if the Jays don’t want him there probably isn’t a deal to be made because the Cardinals rotation is full and I don’t think they want anyone except Manoah.
Arenado makes 30 million in 2024, technically 35 but the Rockies are paying some of that. Money matters dude the Jays need roughly 3 additional position players and rotation depth. 30 million on 1 position doesn’t leave much to cover the other holes.
I like the match for the Jays I do but they really would have to take Matz.
They need cf, dh, 3b and a 5th starter if Manoah get moved which is likely, he refuses the offer to attend the wild card games but you never know
As for Arenado we offered Chapman around or more 20 per to come back over 4 or 5 years so for arenado at 30 they would jump at it. Our payroll sits around 190 million amd reports coming out is they potentially willing to go to 250+ so I don’t see as too much for them. But biggest question is if Arenado would even come here and waive his clause, it’s a trade that would be a dream but not likely.
Burleson or Edman or Carlson do fill a need for us, not a Carlson fan myself, but there a pieces for a deal, and we both know the gms like to deal together so who knows.
No reason to think your teams payroll is going to jump 60 million. Cardinals fans do this too I dont care for it. Just assume it’s more like what it was last year and in that case I don’t think they can afford Arenado. More importantly he has a no trade clause.
The Cardinals have most likely 2 outfielders to trade this offseason. Which 2 who knows. The Jays need lefty bats I know that. I just don’t see what else the Cardinals would want besides Manoah and I dint see a Manoah deal without Matz being involved.
Our payroll last season was around 240 and Roger’s has stated they have 2 payroll plans for 2024, increase it from last season and what they called there unicorn salary (hinting and the salary if they were able to sign ohtani which is unlikely) So I’m not making a wild guess I’m going off what Shapiro and Atkins have openly stated. I don’t see any deal being done where we take Matz off your hands, no way we paying him that salary to be a back end starter I just in no way see that as possible. Enjoying the baseball convo though.
Sorry it was roughly 220 last season. 250 or 260 is a possibility for them
Looks like it was 209 last year. It was 135 in 2021. Kind of shocked it’s jumped up as much as it has. Gotta imagine it’s coming back down to reality soon but who knows. Again Arenado has a no trade clause it’s Dodgers or nothing with him.
Again not a fan of someone thinking payroll is going to jump up to insane levels. It’s just a turnoff when I hear people say that. If you can’t win with a 200 million dollar payroll then what the heck are you doing?
I agree Arenado is highly unlikely I just don’t see his salary as the catch, it’s he doesn’t wanna come here lol not everyone does.
I saw 217 when I looked up 2023 salary but either way. I think 250 or 260 is doable, we have top 10 attendance, we own the stadium and TV rights. Roger’s is the biggest cable and phone company in Canada they can afford it. Now is the time for them to make a run.
Not saying I like the payroll, I’m simply stating what they have stated, I would prefer to build a Winner but we are at where we are at, and we have to add amd add salary.
My favorite baseball teams other then jays are Cards, brewers, reds amd Astros cause they build teams my man. I would be ok of we ran out Barger and Martinez at 3rd next season but they plan to spend. Our gm seems to like to put proven names in positions and build thru fa, it’s not my way it just is what it is
Also whoever we get to play 3rd, cf or dh has to be able to bat in the 4 and 5 spots since the offense was so bad next year, and profile of player won’t come cheap
Manoah will not be moved in a deal for Matz plain and simple. Why do you keep repeating this nonsense? Manoah is 25 and won’t be a free agent until 2028. He is one year removed from being one of the best starters in the AL.
Could be worse, lol one of those fan sites had a “suggested” trade of Guerrero and Manoah going to the Mets for Pete Alonso and Jeff McNeil.
Maybe that gets done on Xbox, but not real life.
Sadly it wasn’t a fan site. It was mlb.com
My buddy sent me that earlier and I couldn’t believe my eyes. What a horrid trade proposal for the Jays.
I’ve always hoped my Cardinals would try and trade for Bichette. He’s no gold glover, but his bat more than makes up for it. Would have no problem sending Winn back to Toronto. They would have to get Bichette to sign a long term extension though and that’s it something you can assume when making a trade. Both clubs line up in a package of multiple players going both ways like Winn/Carlson/Hence Bitchette/Manoah as a framework.
I never believed the Cubs interest was serious after I heard the first 2 names the Jays wanted were PCA and Cade Horton. That’s a deal that will never happen.
People are acting like the idea is ridiculous, but trading away the team’s most popular player for a marginal return is a VERY Shapiro thing to do.
Lol @ the Jays thinking they have any shot of convincing Ohtani to play in Canada.
Come on now.
Better place to live than murica. Sheesh.
No argument there! Just seems like Toronto is wasting their effort with so many West coast teams in play.
Yogajonny, “better place to live than murica.
Really? Pay attention to what your little Prima Donna dictator does & says! Sheesh!!
Hey man. No country is perfect and there’s not a patriotic bone in my body. The original comment about jays having no chance because they play in Canada was ridiculous and unfounded. I know people hate when things get political here, so I will leave it at that.
yep, all of America is the same. What a trash country.
LOL, just another ungrateful person. (Canada is just like America…just with higher taxes and fewer freedoms)
Ungrateful. Lol. For sure sideline. And canada is not just like america. I’m grateful for that!
Noooo no it’s not, however we do walk freely without fear of violence, if that cost more taxes so be it
Canada =America ,2
The fact you think it’s close I kinda feel sorry for you, I’ve lived and traveled in both for 30 years, I live in Toronto by choice. It’s not even close but keep telling yourself America is the greatest country in the world
yeah just_thinkin, kinda like the nonsense on here saying Ryu would never come to Canada, Springer would never sign to play in Canada, Gausman would never come to Canada!!! how did that work out???
It hasn’t to be fair.
Team is garbage since I left.
Bo was expecting large lucrative contract $$ last year or year before an front office said they will not negotiate before 2025
Really easy to see that bo is just waiting to get f$&k out of Toronto and I follow jays a lot
expos771, Is that why he signed a contract that bought out his arbitration years??? seems there was a bit of negotiations going on!!! maybe you should follow a bit closer!!!
Lol yeah trade the only good offensive player on the team. Atkins can get another 5 tool player who catches the ball with his face
Bo Bichette said he’s tired of drinking milk out of a bag, getting paid in Monopoly money and having to make love to Moose up north.
I believe the first 2. The last is open to debate.
I know you’re joking but they don’t get paid in Canadian dollars. It’s been said a million times.
2 years of Bo who is always near the top of hits every year and people come up with the most useless returns lol
That’s why fans have no say in who gets traded for whom. Most of the time they want a perennial all star in his prime for like 3 players their team doesn’t have much use for any more. I guarantee Cards fans would include Paul DeJong in those proposals if he hadn’t been tossed overboard last year.
Oh gawd we seen what DeLong wanted which was out of Toronto as quick as possible LOL
Bo Bichette is a really good player, but he’s not at the elite level, so it makes sense to see if some team will give back an elite level player return. Why not, doesnt hurt to test the waters and find out if someone is willing to overpay. If not, just move on with him as planned.
Top 25 player isn’t elite?
Chapman would only be worth it if he’s getting paid less than what he’ll get, so I’d be out on that. Sign a place holder for Martinez or Barger or just give one of them a shot. I don’t really care about Merrifield and he’ll be 35 next year. Always been a Belt fan but he’s not irreplaceable. Kiermeier I would like to have back but he’s probably getting an overpay somewhere too.