With four teams looking for new managers at the moment, the Brewers are hoping they won’t be the fifth, as team owner Mark Attanasio has made clear his preference that Craig Counsell remains in the dugout. The logic is obvious — Counsell has a 707-625 record in his nine seasons as Milwaukee’s manager, leading the Brewers to playoff appearances in five of the last six seasons. Widely regarded as one of baseball’s better skippers, Counsell has been a key ingredient in the Brewers’ success, and thus a very intriguing candidate for other teams looking for a new leader.
Counsell’s contract is officially up on October 31, and though Attanasio approached the manager about a new deal earlier this year, Counsell’s preference was to wait until the season was over to delve into contract negotiations. With another NL Central title on his resume, Counsell is in a pretty nice negotiating position to command a big raise from the Brewers, and continue both his run as manager and his longstanding ties to the organization. In addition to his stint as manager, Counsell also grew up in Wisconsin, his father worked for the Brewers’ community relations division, and Counsell played six of his 16 MLB seasons as a player in a Brewers uniform.
As per recent reports from Jon Heyman of the New York Post, “Counsell will stay if he’s paid what he believes is fair,” according to a source linked to the Brewers. That said, it isn’t yet clear how far along (if at all) the two sides are in negotiations, even with the October 31 deadline getting closer. It could be that Counsell is waiting until November to officially hit the open market and gauge his worth with some other offers….and one high-spending team in particular looms as a natural candidate for Counsell’s services.
Rumors swirled for years that the Mets were targeting David Stearns as the next president of their baseball operations department, and the pursuit finally ended in September when New York hired Stearns as the new PBO. With Stearns seen as likely to eventually join the Mets, there was lots of speculation that Counsell might be looking to join his former Brewers boss in Queens, and that speculation only intensified when Stearns fired Buck Showalter in one of his first acts in charge of the front office.
There hasn’t been a ton of public buzz about the Mets’ managerial search, apart from the fact that the team is looking to hire a skipper from outside the organization. Blue Jays first base coach Mark Budzinski and Rangers associate manager Will Venable have both been linked to the position, though Venable took him out of the running by declining an interview opportunity. The relative lack of news about the Mets’ search could indicate that they’re waiting to get a chance to speak with Counsell, or it could simply mean that the team is keeping its cards close to the vest. It is also possible that Stearns might be a little preoccupied with other business given the unexpected resignation of GM Billy Eppler, though the managerial search was expected to take priority over the efforts to find a new general manager (who would act as Stearns’ chief lieutenant).
If not Milwaukee or New York, we can’t rule out the other teams with managerial openings as possible landing spots for Counsell. Hiring Counsell would give the Guardians an appropriately big name to help fill the void left by Terry Francona, and the Guards have a Brewers-esque approach in trying to perpetually contend despite a limited payroll. The Giants have a lot more spending capacity and seem to be looking for something of a culture change, so hiring Counsell could certainly provide such a spark to the organization. The Angels could be going through something of a transition phase if Shohei Ohtani leaves, though there’s obvious appeal in managing Ohtani (if he re-signs) and Mike Trout, and Counsell could welcome the challenge of ending the Halos’ playoff drought. Beyond these teams, we might also consider other teams who could be more open to a managerial change if Counsell enters the market, with the Padres perhaps still a club to watch in this regard.
With all of this in mind, where do you think Counsell will be managing next season?
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nrd1138
Id like to see him manage the White Sox, but since the Sox have a canned ham already in that position, and the org cannot bruise their precious ego by removing him after last years train wreck of a season, sadly that will not happen.
Mattimeo09
Why would Counsell choose the White Sox over any other contender in the MLB?
Hemlock
> Why would Counsell choose the White Sox
He likes them. He wants Counsell to manage his favorite team.
filihok
Mat
He literally says it ain’t happening
Hurricane Sandy
Honestly, I feel like it’s getting harder than ever to project a team’s success from year to year. You watch teams like the Mets and Giants have special years and then fall flat on their face. Then you see upstart teams like the D backs who nobody was really expecting anything from making a World Series run. You see the Phillies who I’ll be honest, a few years ago I thought were going nowhere fast, and some good free agent signings has them a perennial World Series contender. The Texas Rangers set out this off-season to will themselves to have a steady rotation, and while that’s kind of falling apart here in the postseason, they acquired enough depth to at least make it this far. Yeah, the White Sox don’t look good, but you can’t assume. Seems like there’s a lot of different ways to compete these days.
It’s the same thing when you try to project where Ohtani will go and say “oh no, he won’t go there, he wants to win” but there’s really no way to predict in the modern age which team will be successful in the years to come, and which will not. It seems like the turnaround time for contention has grown a lot shorter.
drewm
I can assume the White Sox will fail because their organization is trashy
hyraxwithaflamethrower
My thoughts exactly. Like Kevin Cash, he consistently runs out a solid team despite being in a small market.
LordD99
Neither Cash nor Counsell are running out the teams. Front office.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
FO puts the team together. It’s up to the managers to get the most out of the teams they’re given.
TheMan 3
Milwaukee might be considered a small market team “ but they draw a lot of fans during the season
St. louis is also considered a small market team and they sell out every home game
The small market logic is pure bunk
The Saber-toothed Superfife
It helps……
when the owner actually tries, instead of making fans feel taken advantage of.
tangerinepony
St.Louis cardinals are NOT a small market team lol Mid market at best and a much much larger media market in st.Louis than in little old Milwaukee. Milwaukee is nothing more than a suburb of Chicago if you stop and think about it
drewm
Attendance isn’t all that, the media market is the real income
stymeedone
Market size determines the amount of the TV contract. Not bunk.
deweybelongsinthehall
NRD, I thought you had the color of your Sox wrong. The same description applies in Boston
nrd1138
Yeah, I guess now it can apply to either team.
Mattimeo09
Definitely Other. It’s such a specific choice I don’t need to explain my reasoning!
Old York
He’ll coach the Yomiuri Giants.
RobblyDobs
Or Nippon Ham Fighters?
Farian
I think Stearns’ interest in Counsell is a bit overstated by MLBTR and other reporters like Heyman.
Counsell was hired by the Brewers’ front office when he retired in 2011 after spending the last few years of his playing career in Milwaukee. He then became manager in 2015, being named by Doug Melvin, Stearns’ predecessor as GM. Melvin stepped down after that season, and the Brewers made it clear that whoever was going to be the new GM would have to keep Counsell as manager. I believe the language I saw reported was that a brand-new GM would move on from Counsell “at their own peril.”
So Stearns did not hire Counsell and it was somewhat of an arranged marriage, or at least not something Stearns really had a say in for the first year or two of his time with the Brewers. They did seem to work very well together for sure, but I don’t know that Counsell is necessarily who Stearns would want in his new gig. That being said, Milwaukee needs to pay the man what he’s worth. Attanasio has gotten pretty cheap.
Rsox
The media needs to sell a “big name” manager for the Mets before they end up hiring another Luis Rojas type puppet for the front office to control
bag o ballz
I think he would be great for the Giants but I don’t think the stars are aligned to make it happen
stymeedone
Who ever is hired to be manager will be an employee of the Mets front office, and will be following the instructions of his employer. I am only stating the obvious because Rsox doesn’t seem to understand how an employer/employee relationship works.
YankeesBleacherCreature
It does get quite convoluted when a manager in Boston is calling the shots.
Wheeler Dealer
Don’t be surprised if Yankees get him
LordD99
Since they’re not looking, I’d be surprised.
Hemlock
I’m surprised they’re looking to get him.
myaccount2
I would be very surprised considering they have a manager; it would likely give Counsell major pause to have an organization recruit him while already employing someone rather than having a vacancy. He would never know if he is safe or not because the same could happen to him.
EasternLeagueVeteran
Other: the Savannah Bananas.
Take a year or two off from the stress of mlb managing. A big league contract will be waiting there once he feels refreshed and energized.
( not serious…. )
CubsWin108
goodbye counsell, dont hit the door on ur way out
myaccount2
That’s not how that saying goes.
Mattimeo09
That door was pretty expensive and Counsell is going to ruin it!
Blue Baron
Anyone with a username like CubsWin108 can’t be the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Seriously, they won seven years ago and these people act like they’re a frickin’ dynasty.
rondon
“These people”? Haters gotta hate.
mike127
Baron….what in the username CubsWin108 in the slightest fashion even gives an inkling that “these people” act like it’s a dynasty?
The name pretty much calls out just the opposite, that it took 108 years to win a championship. Far from a dynasty.
From where I sit, anyone that puts up the meme of a clown as their avatar can’t be the sharpest knife either.
Blue Baron
Does it mean 108 years or the expectation of winning 108 games? I took it to mean the latter.
And my avatar is not a clown, so you must be referring to someone else.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I think you just made a judgement call there. My boy Judge is onto you. We need order, not some random name-calling.
Blue Baron
You think? We never knew.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
All rise
Blue Baron
I’m comfortable on the couch, thanks.
Dennis Boyd
You should add the choice of him managing nobody. I think he’s going to take some time off and watch his children play sports and enjoy his family.
brewsingblue82
Even though that was something of a possibility, I believe he’s since specified that he plans to manage next year
TradeAcuna
Braves
Blue Baron
What an amazingly dumb comment. Snitker isn’t going anywhere.
angt222
Money talks. If Milwaukee tries to cheap him out, he will be wearing orange and blue.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
What nobody is talking about is how Craig Counsel originally wanted to be a GM rather than a manager. I can see him being the next Mets GM, working hand in hand with Stearns. Will see though. If he does stay as a manager I don’t see him leaving the Brewers
'Tang It
Then they wouldn’t have to wait for his contract to be up. It would be a promotion and they would likely get permission
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
@’Tang It thats because they werent going to consider Counsel for GM, only for manager since Cohen decided to keep InEppler. However, InEppler resigned because of MLB’s investigation. Counsel might feel that since the GM job is open now, he’d rather go for that instead of manager
Blue Baron
@LGMets: Of course, you have no way of knowing whether or not he would leave the Brewers.
metsoptimist
I don’t see him leaving the Brewers. I *definitely* don’t see him becoming the Mets’ GM.
Blue Baron
But none of us on here really has a clue either way.
Lloyd Emerson
Clearly the concept of a rumor is too much for some people to handle.
Blue Baron
Clearly the concept of thinking about what someone else is saying, or then again thinking at all, before responding in an asinine manner is too much for some people to handle.
metsoptimist
I gave my opinion. Perhaps you shouldn’t read comment sections if you consider that to be “asinine.”
Blue Baron
That was a response to Lloyd Emerson, not you.
Sorry for any confusion.
metsoptimist
Oops, my mistake.
The Big Yo
The Oakland A’s. Can’t lose and if ya get those kids even close to a wildcard you’ve more than done your job
Missippi_has_3Ks
The Mets need Counsel but if Counsel coaches the Mets he’s going to need counseling.
ChuckyNJ
Counsell will retire before he thinks of getting a front seat to any LOLmets moments.
thickiedon
I’d like to see speculation on contract numbers
Hemlock
I don’t think that managers are normally offered contracts longer than 3 years so I went with that.
3 years $12MM to stay in Milwaukee
3 years $20MM to manage the Mets
Between those amounts to manage anywhere else
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
@ hemlock unfortunately I guess the Mets as well.
Hemlock
I don’t think he’s leaving Milwaukee. He’s too established there. Played there, now a Manager, lives there. He says he only wants to be paid what’s fair, and if that’s true, why would he chase after $7MM a year to be the Mets manager? I think that people are over-valuing his relationship with David Stearns. I would suspect that he will miss him but not enough to chase after him halfway across the USA.
Hebner3B
I’d love to see him manage the Bucs.
It won’t happen, but I think it would rock.
Blue Baron
Says the guy whose user namesake was a gravedigger.
10centBeerNight
Your guess is as good as mine. He will have many offers. Cost of living in NY metro area does even things out a bit, assuming he is intrigued by Market #1 and if he is top of NYM wish list. Also – yes winning is amazing everywhere but many have attested over the years that winning in NY is a unique experience. Mets more celebrated manager in history was Gil Hodges, who was from the Deep South as I recall. And that was during the era part of NYC were really in decay – think peep shows and open solicitation. Now Times Square is TGI Fridays. Culture shock is fiction
ChuckyNJ
Gil Hodges was revered in New York because he played for the Brooklyn Dodgers and later on managed the Miracle Mets to the unthinkable World Series triumph of 1969.
Take it from someone who was at Game 5 as an early birthday present.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
“ winning in NY is a unique experience” why? Because it’s so rare?
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Hodges was from a small town in Indiana. Not very far from Kentucky, but not close to the Deep South
10centBeerNight
Thank you for that correction. To your first reply – that 1986 NYM ticker tape parade down lower Broadway footage is online. As is the Jeter era Yankees parades. Pretty spectacular stuff
DannyDon'tDrinkSmalesFresca
Does anybody really care? I don’t and I live in Milwaukee. We need a change.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
Who would you suggest?
DanUgglasRing
Hoping for the Giants. Preparing for the Mets.
TBBC
If it’s not the Brewers next season, I see him watching his son play at Michigan for at least a year. I don’t think he has much, if any interest, in working anywhere other than Milwaukee. If they can’t come to an agreement on money, he’ll be more than happy watching Jack.
Jdt8312
He grew up in Wisconsin. His life is in Wisconsin, and Michigan. He’ll be with the Brewers or nobody.
Blue Baron
Unless, of course, he’s not.
mad1
Not sure where he ends up but wish he would get it over with so these two teams can move on.
AlBundysFanClubPresident
I’m sure if he was taking the Brewers, or Mets, feelings into consideration, he’d have caved long ago. Lucky for him he’s looking out for number 1, which we regularly applaud actual players for, when they seek the best situation/most money for themselves.
Blue Baron
His contract isn’t up until next week, so he can’t decide anything yet.
Bless You Boys
Cleveland.
PutPeteinthehall
Lmfao. But would be better than the Mets…..
Bless You Boys
Mets manager is career suicide.
ArianaGrandSlam
Try AI manager.
Citizen1
Why don’t the Mets just consider Ryan Braun or robin yout or any former brewers as their manager? Better yet, just move the Mets team to Nashville.
MLB Casino
What about Carlos Gomez, both a former met and brewer. He would add excitement.